>believing swords are better than maces

>tfw you learn a secret technique to reverse your sword so that it strikes with the force of a mace
what now macefags? gonna cry?

watch you don't break your cheekbones in when you try to dry those tears with your precious mace

>>54352674
While I am completely in favor of maces, I'll grant the sword has some decent qualities.
-Doesn't require much strength.
-Has a large damage dealing area which can make it easy to hit things with.
-Easy to wear.
-Fast and light defensive weapon.
-More reach than a mace.
-Small two handed ones like the longsword have the flexibility of stabbing, cutting, and bashing.

Still, I like the mace more. Takes no training to use (just physical strength), effective against almost any type of armor, you can hit with any side of it, easy to produce, easy to maintain, hard to break.

Swords are objectively cooler like Excalibur and Japanese katana nobody cares about a metal ball on a stick you caveman

>>54353286
>>54353286
>Easy to wear

Maybe civilian, dress, or sidearm swords, but war swords are big enough that it's more convenient to strap them to your horse, because fuck wearing something that's almost as tall as you.

>Maces and Swords fight for the second place while Spear is king
Seems about right

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The best way to use a sword is like a mace

>your move

>>54353423

Aye
You wanna arm a rabble or mob ? Grab a spear.
You wanna hunt some beasties ? Grab a spear
You want something user friendly ? Grab a spear

>>54353423
fuck you
>>54353355
fuck you very much

>>54353431
You can use a sword like a mace, but you can't use a mace like a sword.

can i butcher my family with a mace?

>>54353423
>Spear is king
Only if Halberd is Emperor.

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>>54354030
>halberd

my brother

post your Halberd-fu

>>54352674
Hey, macefag, can you use your mighty club to cut this rope for me?

>>54354107
Hey, swordfag, can you use your penis compensator to kill this dude in full plate armour?

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>>54352674
Excuse me, would you happen to know what weapon has killed the most humans throughout history? Oh the spear? Thanks.

This is now a spear thread. All others get out.

>>54352674
>glorified clubs are better than a longer, faster weapon that can kill you literally by touch

>>54354130
>Nigga doesn't know about half-swording
Versatility means you're armed for all occasions at a fraction of the weight

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>>54354130
As a matter of fact, I can do it with merely half a sword.

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>>54352674

>Knowing that Spears and other Polearms are superior to both

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>>54354152
>>54354154


USING
IT
LIKE
A
MACE

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>>54354069
I'm partial to this type of shape, personally.

>>54354176
The one image between the two posts is using it like a spear.

>>54354139
Spears are for heavy infantry and heavy cavalry. Spearmen and lancers are designed from birth to be the cheap fodder fed to strong armies and stronger heroes, respectively. I can't see any narrative significance in the spear, aside from cowards using it to barely prolong their lives or finish off people much more powerful than them.

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>>54352674
it's almost as if different situations call for different weapons....

>>54354305
>Heavy "The dominant weapon of the Medieval European battlefield" Calvary
>Cheap Fodder
Narrative is a shit, try realism.

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>>54354305

>>54353286
Also, beating enemy to a pulp with a blunt weapon is just somehow way more satisfying for me than slicing them.

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>>54352674
>believing maces are better than spears

>>54354176
You stab with halfswording you fool

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Voulge!

>>54354403
That's a really weird image

>Mace
>1d6

>longsword
>1d8

Really makes you think

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If spears are so good then why doesn't any big name game developers feature them
like say
any JRPG
or TES
or Witcher

really boils my eggs

>>54354477
>TES
used to before Oblivion
>Witcher
Because Witchers use only swords, there aren't any other effective melee weapons either
>JRPG
Dark souls have them, and who cares about most of the other Jap shit anyway
Also get the fuck back to /v/

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>>54354477
>any JRPG
>hurr who are Dragoons of FF
>TES
Nigger what.

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>believing plate armor is better than charging into battle naked

>>54353286
>Takes no training to use (just physical strength)
That's what plebs believe, huh

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More voulge!

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So what's the opinion on the axe?

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>>54354477
>any JRPG
Remember the Dragoon class?
>or TES
Because its western trash, also Morrowind had them. The only good TES game.
>or Witcher
Against, shit setting developed by westerncucks

>>54354662
That's a tool axe, it does its job well under trained hands.

Not so dedicated for combat.

>>54354662
Why use an axe, when you can use a halberd?

>>54354662
Pretty shit to be honest, almost all alternatives are better

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>>54354477

>>54352674
i like gun chan

she is very cute but doesnt know her own strength sometimes?! sorry black males

>>54354662

You can have mine.

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>>54354662
Tool axes are great
As are fighting axes

That looks like a shitty axe though, but secondary bevel on it

>>54354662
Great as a tool or on the end of a long stick with a pointy end, doesn't have a good enough niche to be superior to a mace or sword in the case of one and two handed war variants.

>>54352674
At?

>spears/most polearms (Other then halberds, those r gai lol(: 2nd place
>swords: 3rd
>maces and axes: Tied for 4th
>Halberd: 5th, I mean it isn't bad, but its still gai lol
However the real king is hammers. Have the strength and utility of a mace, can have a piercing end on the back (and top), can be put on big fuckin sticks for stabbing with, and if you really wanted you could probably rush into battle swinging a big one and take someone down with you in a death spin.

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>>54354662
filename

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>>54354826
>(Other then halberds, those r gai lol(:

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>>54352674
>Believing any weapon is better than my magical arcs of lightning

>>54354619
Why would anyone animate that?

>>54354962
I was thinking the same shit when I clicked that .gif

Who in their right minds would animate that and put it in a children's show?

>>54354668
>Western trask
>Westerncucks
Literal weeaboo.

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>>54355038
>he is a weeaboo if I say so

>>54352674
Fuck your mouth, peasant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2e0xr-aZJos

>>54355056
>Weeaboo
>Comes from early 4chins censoring "Wapanese" with "Weeaboo"
>Meaning is someone who is convinced Asia, and Japan in particular, is completely superior to the Western world, particularly in terms of Culture, and Entertainment.

Yeah, he's a textbook case of Weeb.

>>54355056
I'd say he makes a pretty strong case.

>>54352674
They simply are. The balance of a sword makes it easier to maneuver, the only advantages a mace really has are that they can break peoples' bones through armor and that you don't need to hit with them with any particular form to cause damage.

Swords are generally longer, handier, and you can do more with them. It's pretty obvious why so many people used them. The mace's actual applications have always been fairly minimal, they were incorporated into the scepters of kings because they represented the ability to crush armored nobles--but armored nobles didn't fight with maces so often as lances.

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>>54355081
wtf I'm a weeaboo now

>>54355056
The use of the term "westernfags" suggests he has disdain for Americans and Europeans, so one can guess he prefers non-western forms of media. The only other source of media (tv, movies, video games, ect.) to rival the west comes from Japan and S. Korea.

He is a weeb because that is a logical conclusion to make.

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>>54353423
[Hysterical Roman Laughter]

>>54354477
Because everyone thinks medieval times people used swords and only swords.
Realism turns the casual fan off most games. Ask for honor.

>>54353286
maces don't require great strength -- they generally weight about the same as an arming sword. They also require training and experience to be effectively used just like swords.
They're also generally less lethal than swords against lightly or unarmored targets because blood loss has pretty much always been the fastest and most effective way to kill people battle

>>54355163
what happened in for honor?

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>>54352674
>Believing there's any point in discussing weapons without context.

Unless you state who's using the weapon, who he's fighting, how many people are involved and where they are, it's retarded to state that weapon A is better than Weapon B.

The guy with the mace feels really fucking smug next to the guy with a knife, until they face the rope-golem.

>>54355188
>Unless you state who's using the weapon,
King Arthur
>who he's fighting
Lancelot
>how many people are involved and where they are
No one else, the rest are civilians

>>54355163
>>54355179

For honor wasn't more realistic than other generic fantasy games. It's a fighting game dressed up to look gritty and medieval, but it still has absolutely retarded gear and weapon combinations, silly anachronistic factions and characters that can take a poleaxe to the head and just lose some hp.

It wasn't realism that turned people off anyway, it was shit meta and no dedicated servers.

>>54353423
Spears are pleb weapons though.

>>54355208
And are they at all armoured?
Are they fighting to the death?
Are they on a golf green or locked in a closet?

>>54355163
Realism turns people off of most games. Unless you consider simulations to be games. Most people just want games to be fun.

>>54355212
>silly anachronistic factions and characters that can take a poleaxe to the head and just lose some hp.
just like my D&D games!

>>54355233
>And are they at all armoured?
They are as armored as they are in their daily lifes.
>Are they fighting to the death?
Until one surrenders or death
>Are they on a golf green or locked in a closet?
Out in the street, in an intersection between roads.

>>54355212
>For honor wasn't more realistic than other generic fantasy games.

i think you're underestimating how unrealistic generic fantasy games are. if you compare it to something like Skyrim or WoW then yeah, it was more realistic. not realistic but more realistic for sure.

>>54355234
Simulations are literally games, if a random girl asks you "what are you doing, anon-san?" and you tell her "Oh, I'm running a simulation of a city"

She will literally believe you are playing a game and walk away in disgust from you.

Same if you told her you are running a simulation of a colony, or a football simulation, or a race simulation, or a truck driving simulation.

The girl will never, EVER, have sex with you.

>>54354668
Only western things are good though. Literally nothing good comes from anywhere else.

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>>54355272
>implying WoW isn't 100% completely accurate in all things

i bet this jackass can't even see his own health bar

>>54355272
It was so unrealistic that degrees of unrealistic doesn't really matter.

No, there were no elves or neon colours, but the characters were stupidly outfitted, gear was designed by people who mashed up fantasyshit and some museum pictures, and the fights were no closer to realistic than any other fighting game is.

Saying that it's realistic because it's not as cartoony as wow is like saying that getting stabbed in the eye is nice because it hurts less than getting stabbed in the balls.

>>54355208
>>54355233
>>54355253
Then Lancelot wins. He was the incomparable knight. They fight until Arthur surrenders, it doesn't go to the death.

>>54355208
>Arthur vs Lancelot
Lancelot wins because frogs made a mary sue

>>54355571
>Arthur wouldn't fight to the death against the faggot that fucked his wife
what a pussy lmao

>>54355608
Galahad was the real Mary Sue. Lancelot was just the Sue orbiter designed to make him look even better.
That said, the legend of the holy grail inadvertently paints Bors as a far better knight and person than galahad

>>54353355
Good b8 i r8 8/8 no h8

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>>54352674
>creating bait threads about a certain topic in the hope /tg/ will steer it into a good discussion

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>>54355144

>>54354305
>I can't see any narrative significance in the spear
>He doesn't know about Cu Chulainn and Gae Bulg

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>>54354069
>post your Halberd-fu

>>54353978
Not with that attitude you can't!

Sword is the better one handed weapon you can carry all day because its more lethal against unarmoured/lightly armoured opponents and has better reach.

The odds of you needing to kill a guy in full plate without expecting it out of battle are stupidly low. Much more likely you will be jumped by thugs or something.

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>>54356445
>Sword is the better one handed weapon
>laughsInSpartan.jpg

>>54354715
But that's no mine

>not dual wielding a sword AND a mace

>>54355524
>getting stabbed in the eye is nice because it hurts less than getting stabbed in the balls.
I'm pretty sure eyes hurt more than balls

>>54355608
>>54355885
These sound like opinions you are regurgitating from 4chan posts. I don't care about the historical fact of why Lancelot was introduced, but please read the myths. They are good and rewarding to read, and too many people spout misconceptions without ever having read them.

>>54354030
Based halberd bro

>>54352739
exactly this (except the secret part)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwuQPfvSSlo

>>54353286
>Still, I like the mace more. Takes no training to use (just physical strength),
No one there seriously believes this, right?

>>54355027
>children's show
wait what?

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>>54354477
>TES
>implying Bethesda isn't too lazy to program and animate a weapon type that isn't just exaggerated baseball swings until someone falls over

>>54356644
>I don't care about the historical fact of why Lancelot was introduced
That's the entire point of calling him a sue. The fact you don't care about it doesn't matter.

>>54356375
>Confused pilum

>>54356375
But the Republic and the Empire made extensive use of hasta equipped troops so I'm confused about where this comes from

>>54353423

Spears are weapons of war. Not a pre-industrial side arm. Imagine if cowboys walked around town with repeaters slung to their backs, that would be awful silly, wouldn't it?

>>54356375
This cuck doesn't realize he used a javelin before charging any enemy.

He also doesn't realize greek warfare also featured a short sword since during a phalanx the spear would normally break after 1 or 2 trusts, forcing every greek in the front line to draw their swords and go one on one.

The roman cucks only won because their armor was better made than the greek one, and because the javelin literally raped the greek phalanx and didn't give them enough time to reform the phalanx.

dumb romans, you owe everything to the based spear

>>54357715
Most of the victories Rome had against Greek armies were due to Rome outmaneuvering greek forces into terrain that they couldn't fight well on. Roman formations were more flexible and had less issues on the rocky terrain they kept forcing Alexandrine armies into fighting on. This would have been less of an issue except most of said Alexnadrine armies had neglected to upkeep and develop their cavalry in favor of more pikes and that army composition only really worked when it had a strong cavalry arm to play hammer and reduce the ability of the enemy to force their armies into bad positions. The Greek armies had become too reflexive and when put onto bad terrain they were utterly unable to adapt to Roman aggression.

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Coolest weapon coming through

>>54353286
While I am completely in favor of swords, I'll grant the mace has some decent qualities.
-Doesn't require much strength.
-Has a large damage dealing area which can make it easy to hit things with.
-Easy to wear.
-Heavy and purposeful defensive weapon.
-More reach than a sword.
-Small two handed ones like a pointy ball on a fucking stick have the flexibility of mashing, cutting, and bashing.

Still, I like the sword more. Takes no training to use (just physical strength), effective against almost any type of armor, you can hit with any side of it, easy to produce, easy to maintain, hard to break.

>>54358222
>effective against almost any type of armor,
But that's wrong you nigger, metal can't cut metal.

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>>54354962
>>54355027
>>54356746
Nobody put it on a children's show you fucking mong. It's from a shitty Russian looking shitty sounding music video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHY-OYO_kQs&feature=youtu.be

Why the ever loving fuck did I just search for that? What the fuck am I doing her? What went wrong with my life?

>>54356445

Where does this idea come from that maces don't work on unarmoured people? Both of them can kill or at least incapacitate instantly (It doesn't really matter if you cut their throat or just bash their brains in) and any hit to the non-vital areas produce about the same reaction with maces as with swords (i.e. your opponent screaming in pain clutching a bloody wound). A sword has some advantages due to it's shape, but these are relatively minor compared to the basic functionality of "i hit you, you die" that they both share.

>>54358819
A mace is much more devastating that a sword against unarmed. The thing is swinging the sword is faster than swinging a mace.

But if you get hit anywhere by a mace, your bones are instantly fucking crushed and there is no recovery from it. A bad sword swing is can be recovered. There are no bad mace swings, if it hits you it goes all Demolisher on you. A sword can cut your ear or nose, a mace causes you brain damage.

>>54357715
>>54357579
A javelin is obviously not a spear, anyone who has that response to that image is being wilfully obtuse.

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what is this thread opinion on the bill hook?

>>54359043
>what are glancing blows

Also broken wrist can be recovered from, the removal of the hand at the wrist cannot Blade wounds are by far more lethal because blood loss.

>>54359106
A tool used in the laying of hedge rows.

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>>54359166
what about the glaive?

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>>54359126
You are not applying the same force for your examples though. The equivalent of a clean cut sword swing, is a crushed hand, not a broken one. Which still needs amputation due to internal bleeding otherwise you die.

>the mace, whose heavy head was capable of smashing bones even through layers of armor and chain mail
>War and Combat, 1150-1270: The Evidence from Old French Literature
You get a broken wrist if you wear a gauntlet, a clean blow and your hand is broken beyond repair. Nerves destroyed, veins squished, bones crushed.

So its not really that different from a sword, the sword is just faster to swing and less tiresome. Why use a mace when you can use a sword and still kill a peasant without tiring yourself in the process?

Pole axe.

>>54354842
Nigga that's just a glorified machete.

>>54359250
Coolest weapon/10.

>>54352674
you need a lot of space to swing a mace, its deadliness needs speed

a sword is better in tight spaces or in a formation, you dont need much room for a stab

>>54356439
PHENOMENAL taste.

Bardich is cool

>>54363237
Stabbing is for the penism use the penis to stab not the sword. Sword is for cut

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>>54354139
>A realistic depiction of Spartan battle kit

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>>54354305
>Spearmen and lancers are designed from birth to be the cheap fodder fed to strong armies and stronger heroes
I'm gonna guess you are a katana fan

>>54352739
But that's just fucking mordhau

>>54352674
Is this A) a history board, or B) a traditional games board?

If the answer is B. Then it depends on the rules of the system, and the setting.

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>>54352674
>Believing maces existed

>>54356417
more of a javelin desu senpai

>>54357438
kill yourself, Lancelot is not a Sue because he's a deeply flawed character, especially when you consider the historical context of when he was introduced and his defining failure to be worthy of the grail. To spell it out for you, Lancelot was ultimately a failure as a Christian.

>>54358256
That's pretty fucking metal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qSEwYaSlWk

>>54359528
>>54359043
Not true, a weak blow is a weak blow whether made with a mace or sword.

You might say that "a mace is fucking heavy bro, think about all that inertia, how can you have a weak blow with that"
>Opponent steps in and you don't have the time or space to accelerate your mace to combat speed
>Opponent steps back and you only skim the top of his arm, head, body
>Your initial blow missed or your opponent dodged and you need to redirect the direction of your mace ... now fighting against its inertia
If you compare a mace swung at X speed with a sword swinging at X speed then of course the mace will do more damage on a successful hit ... but this is disingenuous as said mace would require more energy to reach that equal speed.

>>54356496
>What is a xiphos?

>>54359043
This is a retarded statement on so many levels.

Humans can survive severe crushing injuries, broken limbs, compound fractures, deep tissue bruising, but a big cut or deep stab will just flat out kill you or put you into really deep shock really fucking fast.

>A sword can cut your ear or nose

And a mace somehow magically only hits center mass every time, despite being more unwieldy? Get real.

A sword can open your belly up with a wrist flick and has more reach, it's by far the more dangerous of the two against unarmored opponents.

>>54365493
No anon, now you are the one who is wrong.
>Humans can survive severe crushing injuries, broken limbs, compound fractures, deep tissue bruising, but a big cut or deep stab will just flat out kill you or put you into really deep shock really fucking fast.
Humans can survive big cuts and deep stabs.
>consider the duel between Lagarde and Bazanez. After the later received a rapier blow which bounced off his head, Bazanez is said to have received an unspecified number of thrusts which, according to the account, "entered" the body.2 Despite having lost a good deal of blood, he nevertheless managed to wrestle Lagarde to the ground, whereupon he proceeded to inflict some fourteen stab wounds with his dagger to an area extending from his opponent's neck to his navel. Lagarde meanwhile, entertained himself by biting off a portion of Bazanez's chin and, using the pommel of his weapon, ended the affair by fracturing Bazanez's skull. History concludes, saying that neither combatant managed to inflict any "serious" injury, and that both recovered from the ordeal
>Take for example the case of the duel fought in 1613 between the Earl of Dorset and Lord Edward Bruce.1 According to the Earl's account, he received a rapier-thrust in the right nipple which passed "level through my body, and almost to my back." Seemingly unaffected, the Earl remained engaged in the combat for some time. The duel continued with Dorset going on to lose a finger while attempting to disarm his adversary manually. Locked in close quarters, the two struggling combatants ultimately ran out of breath. According to Dorset's account, they paused briefly to recover, and while catching their wind, considered proposals to release each other's blades.
>In 1896 a case was reported in which a twenty-four year old man was stabbed in the heart. Despite a wound to the left ventricle which severed a coronary artery, the victim not only remained conscious, but was also able to walk home

>>54363805
>implying Spartans had one type of warrior with one type of uniform kit throughout history

>>54359043
>>54365398

>maces are heavier then swords

Cute, but completely fucking wrong. Real life maces, unlike the monstrosities you find in things lile WoW, are small and not heavier than something like an arming sword.

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>>54354069

Are halberd-bandos allowed?

>>54365739
No shit nigga, but the weight is overwhelmingly toward the tip of the weapon. This makes it far more unwieldy than a sword of equal weight.

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>>54359106

>>54358181
Good man. Also my favorite.

>>54356326
>in the hope /tg/ will steer it into a good discussion
I don't think this is ever intended

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>halberds

>>54352674
A weapon is a tool.

>believing screwdrivers are better than hammers

Look at me, I can be retarded too.

>>54354668
>elder scrolls
>western trash
Fuck off back to whatever subreddit you came from weeaboo faggot

>>54370437
EVERYONE knows hammers are better then screwdrivers.

Have you ever tried to hammer nails with a screwdriver? Screwdrivers are jokes.