Modern General

first for vapor snag best blue spell in modern

Second for I WANT UTRON TO BE PLAYABLE REEEE

>>54346486
>>54346518
im never sure if these are bait but i unironically believe both

>>54346549
I honestly want UTron to become a T1/T2 deck somehow.

>>54346563
>>54346518
Tron will be unplayable very soon :^)

Someone remind me when the next banlist update is. I need a window of time for me to flip my Chalices in case EldraziTron gets messed with.

>>54346486
i honestly believe vapor snag is the best reason to be in blue right now. stubborn denial is a kind of close obvious second. they're both lapping the field.

collonnade is also half-decent

>>54346563
Unban stoneforge mystic, batterskull comes in even on turn 3 making even a backup plan damn good and in deck synergy Just a shot in the dark

>>54346693
handrape meta makes SFM unreliable at best

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Don't know how I ever became a saheeli rai guy but I cant get enough of her

I play both Jeskai and 4colour versions, both have pretty fun bounce/copy interactions throughout the deck

>>54346972
Thats an excuse you could make about any sub 3 cmc card atm though. As I said it'd be a viable plan B when tron or tutors aren't up yet

>>54346610
>Still thinking a Tron ban is likely
They'll unban Storm before banning Tron

>>54347814
>Not realising that Chameleon Colossus is ACTUALLY impossible for GDS to deal with, literally their only option is blocking with Snapcaster Mage

>>54348053
Liliana's Edict after they kill all your other creatures.

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Imagine I want to use Tezzeret in a deck


Should I go for U (artifact control), UB (critical mass + ult), a mix of the two or just drop the idea since every deck is going to have artifact hate in the sideboard

>>54348223
I'll sacrifice my Wurmcoil Engine ;^)

>>54348053
>not just playing mono-white problack weenies

Is there a limit to how much control you have over your losses playing Burn?

>>54348301
Drop the idea. Stony Silence is miserable to play against.

>>54349025
Not really.

>>54349196
I dont know I love the deck but lately ive been getting frustrated by just topdecking multiple lands. Ill just keep at it though.

>>54348301
Play Ironwork Eggs and use Tezzy as your wincon

>>54349217
The best scenario for burn is to just say fuck it and play 18 lands, hoping there's only 4 lands max in your top 15 of the deck.

>>54347701
I like her too, wanna make a deck with her for funsies but just pure value

>>54350631
Yeah but then you just end up with a ton of no land hands and have to mulligan. The best plan is to just keep solid hands, play well, and when you sideboard occasionally take out a land. Like against UW Control or Abzan I know they have Path so I think if you are on the draw its ok to take out a Stomping Ground if you didnt side in Revelry or a Mountain. Maybe not always but its something to consider

>>54346629
I belive it's right after PT Hour of Retardation

Print Swords to Plowshares in Modern, I hate using the inferior Path.

>>54352454
Dude theres Push , Dismember and Bolt too, no ones making you use Path
Also
>Wizards ever printing Swords or even Path in Standard

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I want to run this in Mono Green stompy with primal bellow in my pump spell package. I'm going to rework the creatures to make it a little more aggressive first couple turns. Turn two this thing is a monster, I'm running four with sundering growth sideboarded

>>54352682
What's your list? Sounds odd

>>54348301
IN text with whir has been working very well for me.check out the mtgs forum if you're interested.mostly good players in that one with a few idiots

>>54353054
Fuckin auto correct. UB tezz

>>54352682

Oh, now there's an interesting idea, putting this into a Selesnya-style Populate deck. Instead of going wide with a lot of small tokens, like B/W Tokens do, go tall by copying big tokens.

>>54352943
At work rn. But essentially it's the normal 1 and 2 drops for mono green stompy, four of those, and some dungrove elders. I definitely lose some power early on as leatherback on t3 is way better than dungrove, so I'm trying to craft it a bit smoother than the previous version.

>>54353150
I would say this and voice of resurgence would be really strong. Possibly in a shell with muranda petroglyphs if you're looking for some jank

>>54346462
>el goyfo
>not played anywhere except jund (t3) and abzan
>still $80 a pop

No me gusta. Why oisthis happening? Price memory?

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Alright boys, this is what I have so far, anything else I should definitely have?

4 Oketra's Monument

4 Spell Queller
4 Reflector Mage
4 Wall of Oments
4 Squadron Hawk
4 Sky Hussar

4 Serum Visions
4 Path to Exile

>>54353663

Yes. Also if/when Death's Shadow eats a ban (as the """pros""" are clamoring for) suddenly Goyf becomes the best creature again and the investment is saved.

>>54353699
24 lands and 2 disallow. Unless I'm autistic and missed something

>>54353699
The blue white manland.

>>54348301
UB if you're gonna play an artifact deck. Agent of bolas is a great card.

>>54353783
>>54353780
Well, lands obviously, I mostly meant what other spells to add

Saw an "against the odds" Solemnity deck that operated similarly to my Alesha EDH deck so I switched up the list from Esper to Mardu

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/alesha-modern-4/

Anyone else playing a Solemnity deck?
Hows this looking? I'm planning on bringing something like this to my local FNM night.

>>54353699
Is sun Titan too expensive to consider? You could safely run martyr of the sands sided vs burn and it seems pretty solid.

>>54353847
He probably costs too much

>>54353931
I figured with oketras monument it was a 6/6 for five and nets some value

I want to get into modern but given the price of a tier deck, I will be able to afford only one deck and I fear that I might grow bored of it too fast.

What's a tier deck (1-2-3, I don't care, I only play at FNMs) that provides non linear fun for ages ?

So far I like
>Affinity
>any variation of Valakut
>RW prison
>Lantern
>Any combo deck involving CoCo

>>54354501
Ponza, friend.

>>54354547
Ponza is even more linear than Burn tho. While I like the idea of killing lands I think it would get old very quickly.

>>54354501

Most of those are pretty linear.

Modern in general is pretty linear, with disruption consisting of creature removal and discard mostly.

Honestly, a deck with lots of that is probably your best bet for varied play.

>>54353799
Speaking of UB artifacts, im brewing one of my own using Noxious gearhulk (maybe torrential gearhulk for the discount Snapcaster effect), Ironclad revolutionary, seeker and AoB tezzeret as the big bits of the deck. im conflicted on weather to use two seekers and to AoB tezzies or just go whole hog and use 4 AoBs.

>>54354980
>>54353799
not the same guy btw

>>54353847
you could use some everflowing chalices to help cast it.

This deck I threw together did good against other control decks.

What do I need to change to make it modern playable?

Instant (18)
1x Cryptic Command
2x Cyclonic Rift
4x Mana Leak
4x Rune Snag
3x Think Twice
4x Vapor Snag
Creature (18)
4x Delver of Secrets Flip
4x Judge's Familiar
2x Niblis of Frost
1x Snapcaster Mage
4x Tandem Lookout
3x Voidmage Prodigy
Land (20)
2x Blighted Cataract
16x Island
2x Skyline Cascade
Sorcery (4)
4x Serum Visions

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>>54353054
>>54349045
>>54349456
>>54353799

Considering everything, thanks. I'll check salvation

>>54353804
You just made a worse Abzan Coco.

It's shite.

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>>54355495
this is a pile of unplayable shit

>>54355495
run cards that are modern playable

ie not tandem lookout or voidmage prodigy or snapcaster mage

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>>54352238
>>54349217

you know what must be done.

What deck could profit the most from Hostile Desert?

>>54358075
Standard decks

>>54356848

This is weapons-grade autism.

>>54358075

Legacy stax. Maybe in lands as a one-of.

>>54358075
Dredge could make good use of it I guess, or anything else that throws a bunch of lands in their grave.

>>54353699
-1 Monument
-1 Path
-2 Sky Hussar

+4 Whitemane Lion

>>54358725
and 2 dusk/dawn

>>54356491
what turn does collected company usually win on?

>>54359526
Depends against what deck. With a little luck it has a turn 3 infinite, but usually it goes for a value beatdown strategy and sometimes accidentally wins by hitting combo pieces of coco.

Never built a ramp deck, or seen one played for that matter except for Elves.
How vulnerable are they to having the mana dorks targeted? They seem like the weak line, and I'd hate to have a deck fall apart due to a dead Arbor Elf instead of just using a Sakura-Tribe Elder.

I should mention, I may be biased because I'm looking at a BG shell that opens up sacrifice outlets to make Viridian Emissary a super reliable land + sac benefit.

>>54359936
People will usually Bolt/Push turn one mana dorks if they have the chance, but that shouldn't totally wreck your gameplan. If you have 3-4 dorks out and only 2-3 lands a board wipe can really set you back though.

>>54359936
It's highly dependant on your opener. You want hands that function without the dork. Ramp decks win with their alpha strike, if you get delayed too hard you're fighting a real uphill battle.

>>54348301
I've been playing a control-heavy list, having a fetchable breeding pool and abrupt decay in the sb makes the matchups where silence comes in a lot more bearable.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/13-02-17-modern-tezz/

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Is Mono R Tron a meme?

It looks fun as fuck and fits right into my budget.

Ban announcement tomorrow right?

>>54360391
no WotC cut back on ban announcements again

>>54360391
Yes, they're unbanning cloupost.

_________:^)______

>>54360411
>>54360526
Fuck this format is such cancer right now though and now we have to suffer through it longer because of standard cucks

>>54360551
Who shat in your cereals anon?

>>54350631
I run 19 and it works wonders. Won matches with only one land in all games. Lose very few games like that but rarely the match. Like so far I count 3 matches lost because of lack of mana but countless loses because mana floor.

>>54360564
This meta is just god awful. Shadow is stupidly good, rips your hand to shreds, big as fuck threats for one mana, and Stubborn Denial to stop all removal or interaction with them and you die in two combat phases. Eldrazi Tron is fucking absurd as well, Thought Knot Seer on turn 2, into turn 3 Reality Smasher is almost always game over and when that doesnt happen you get turn 3 Karn shitting on you or turn 2 Chalice if you are on aggro. Its so consistent. Thats my problem with the format, these decks leave you no breathing room are fast as hell and the sideboard cards that you can bring against them are super low impact
Affinity, Burn, Scapeshift and Abzan Company are the other tier 1 decks and they all feel more fair, your sideboard cards actually work, interacting with them slows them down and your removal isnt just Thoughtseized, Stubborn Denialed, or Chaliced away.

>>54359936
As a person who plays non-burn decks with 4x Bolt frequently I will bolt your turn one dork every time.

>>54360718
I dunno but i have no problems vs e-tron or Grixis shadow.

t. storm fag

>>54360767
How? Chalice on 1 makes it so every cantrip you have is countered, and Thought Knot can exile relevant combo cards. Shadow rips your hand apart and has removal for Baral/Goblin.

>>54360718
Etron and DS decks aren't even a problem for me and I agree with everything you said. They are stifling the meta a bit

>>54360868
Ceremonious rejectionx x4 in SB, play first 3-4 rounds like totall controll fag that revs for 15.

>>54361015
>4 cards in my sideboard
>always have one in my opening hands game 2 and 3
>opponent never has an answer

Have you actually played a game of Magic the Gathering?

>>54360927
I just hope something is banned from both of them as both are a problem. I really hope Wizards doesnt listen to the faggots who bought into the decks who whine and scream about them being fair when they are way too good in relation to everything else.
Deaths Shadow should and im thinking will be banned but Eldrazi Tron might escape unscathed which will suck
I guess one is better then nothing though since im pretty positive Shadow will be banned

>>54361015
>they draw cavern or chalice
>they play it
>you lose

>>54361158
DS wouldn't even be a problem if Eldrazi Tron didn't keep it's natural predators out of the format. The reason this meta is so fucked is because those two decks compliment each other in a meta/matchup sense.

>>54361166
>play chalice
>counter it with ceremonious rejection
wow anon, you sure are stupid

>>54361183
Go back to standard, nobody likes your shit card jew

>>54361179
I dont think Wizards looks that far into it. Im just expecting Deaths Shadow himself to get hit personally.

>>54361232
It's in 16% of decks anon, DSJ plays 3 in the side, it's a great card against affinity and Eldrazitron. Why is it that every time one of you retards comes to ask for bannings you show you have next to no experience with the format at all. I'm not even against the idea but you're clearly asking because your tier 3 shitbrew got beaten and not because you care about competitive modern.

>>54361281
Oy vey buy my standard shecklebait goyim!, unless you dont want to be a competitive schlomo

Unbookmark mtgtop8 and go outside, this vietnamese pho cooking forum is not for the likes of you

>>54361429
that's ok anon, one day mono green super budget stompy will be tier 1 and you'll finally win a game of modern

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Hope you folks picked up your playset.

>>54361281
>competitive modern
Its like saying special-ist retard, play your mashed potato format while actual men play a real format like edh

>>54361478
Even in decks that want this you don't want a playset

>>54361478
is it actually good and not overhyped?

>>54361484
>while actual men play a real format like edh
this is the weakest bait i've ever seen

>>54361496
Haven't had a chance to play with it yet, but I personally wouldn't go over 2.

ok so how important are clading tarns and flooded strand to Storm? Everything else is pretty in budget to me.

>>54361496
I mean, it's the most efficient response to Push with a below average but playable (only because it's literally a free card taped to it) pump spell.

>>54361521
>>54361495
You're probably right. I got 4 mostly because they're pretty cheap right now. Worst comes to worst I'm out a dollar or two if the price drops or it's more unplayable than I think. Just think they'll be a great meme in my Slivers deck.

>>54361484
>EDH
EDH is just a casual circlejerk format with little to no balance. It is not skilled at all to play.

>>54361598

You should definitely have at least 4 fetches. Tarn would be the best of course, but you can get away with 4 flooded. You can make up the missing fetches by running 4 bluffs and 4 vents.

>>54360645
Honestly 19 is damn solid especially in a meta with inquisition+stubby d+removal running around, being stuck on 2 lands means lots of gas.
bear in mind my opinion is reflective of myself as a piece of shit, but after many late nights of burn mirrors with my buddy, we found the ideal land count to be 19 if you have a decent number of 2drops, 18 if you're monored with more 1drops. I don't know why 20 is such a popular route, 19 is great assuming you have a good amount of 1drops.

>>54361598
Fetches are a weird one for Storm. Your game plan involves basically going through your entire library so it's highly likely that every cracked fetch will net you a real card further down the line.

>>54361613
Edh players are cancer. Everytime one of them opens their mouth it's " look what overcosted card was printed in the new set! It makes a situational combo in my <insert crappy legendary card> deck! Fucking fags.

>>54362193
Not like fatal push at all :^)

so i just recently got into magic and im trying to build a white/green deck with ajani the protector, and ideas on how to make this work as a control type deck?

>>54362405
You'd need blue to make it work as a control deck
Also, you'd be better off in standard.

>>54362405
>get a dick
>put it in your mouth
>go back to standard

This is a fucking COMPETITIVE FUCKING MODERN THREAD take your shitbrews and fuck off, play one of the top 3 decks and do NOT come back with anything thats even remotely printed in the last 4 years

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/wizards-data-insanity

I for one, am glad that WotC is making such intelligent decisions. It feels good knowing a company really understands their playerbase.

>>54362475
what the fuck is standard

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>>54362606

>>54362475
>Modern General
>no mention of competitive
>This is a fucking COMPETITIVE FUCKING MODERN THREAD
poe's law in full effect

>>54362758
im dead serious i barely know anything about this game, i really just thought there was one way to play

>>54360311
Any suggestions? I think Trading Post might be a bit loose but there have been games where in response to removal I've sacced Thopter Foundry to itself for a thopter and sacced the thopter to Post to get Foundry back. Saccing Spend Pentads for draw and pitching cards to get under my Bridge is also great.

>>54362821
There is just one way to play - play to win.

>>54362896
i mean you arent wrong

>>54362821
http://magic.wizards.com/en/new-to-magic

>>54362896
I'm of the opinion that Magic is a game about roleplaying as a wizard.

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Guys peep this burnt ponza list i just made up. Need some suggestions.

>>54363033
Slapping some B in for discard won't help you from getting reamed by decks that actually make discard work.

>>54363106
Alright. Was thinking about going -2 courser +2 push +1 push im the side, how about that?

>>54362971
*planeswalker

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>>54346972
That's why you play the handrape first.

What do you guys think of this aristocrats list?
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/702556
It's pretty cookie cutter, but I'm not sure what exact quantities of cards to include (mainly Tidehallows, Rally).
I've only included one Inquisition because I pulled it from a pack.

>>54363413
haha how does a wizard cast another wizard like what! haha

>>54363257
We're still just Meat (creatures) bread (ramp) and cheeze (land destruction). But now we've garnished with olives (discard/removal).

It's just BG Ponza with bad Walker choices. I don't know what to tell you.

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>>54361429
>standard sheckelbait
>a dollar for a playset

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Post the card that best illustrates a format

Pic related is modern

>>54364235
How does this summarize Modern? A cleric that prevents damage?

>>54364343
Two guys having good old fashioned fellatio, it even mentions blowing in the flavor text

Man i want to play this format but theres just not enough V A L U E in any deck.
Still gonna build it because poorfags cant afford to play vintage/legacy where i live.
Thoughts on new bolas cruel control ?

>>54364661
Your bait is weak, you faggot

Building up a jeskai aggro deck for shits. Got my creature set up and a sparse few other cards thrown in. My problem comes from narrowing down what instant/sorceries to put in. Right now I've got a playset of Lbolt, manamorphose, and serum visions along with two(soon to be 4) lightning helix. These are some of the other cards I'm considering;

deflecting palm
boros charm
assault strobe
ancestral vision
twisted image
aqueous form or slip thru space
path to exile and vapor snag(to swap with bolts or helix depending on what I'm against.)

Thoughts? Suggestions? What do you guys run?

>>54364723
>+4 path

It's just that easy

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>>54364723
cool, did you consider splashing black for duress and green for thragtusk?

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So I've heard about the combo of Beck of Beck//Call along with The Locust God. The best way I thought to get the god out quick enough is with elves, since people have tried Beck with elves before.

Yes/No?

>>54364919
Sorry wrong thread, I meant to post this 3 color 5 card combo in the edh thread
Disregard my post

>>54364994

You are not me, the combo is actually 2 cards, it's not that out of reach, I just wanted some real feedback on the idea.

And yes it's a modern brew.

>>54364919
>>54365010
It's worth a shot but you will probably get fucked up by any deck that's trying to interact with you.

>>54365020

Elves usually just plays solitaire anyway. The only real threat to the god is path. Thank you for the feedback.

>>54364793
Yeah, can't really go wrong. So I'm looking at;
4x lightning bolt
4x lightning helix
4x serum visions
4x manamorphose
4x mon swiftspear
4x stormchaser mage
4x mantis rider
4x lightning angel
3x jeskai ascendancy
2x glory of warfare

Seems pretty good. What's a good land count? 20 might be a good number and I could throw in something else. Aqueous form for scry, or slip thru space for more card draw?

>>54365039
I cant work out why manamorphose, maybe swap it for some protection cos a board wipe is going to ruin your day

>>54365096
Mana fixin and card draw. That and it's a personal favorite. What are some good cheap protection spells? To gatherer I go!

>>54365121
Apostle's Blessing is probably what you want

>>54365121
Apostle's blessing would work, or just go balls out and get boros charm for more burn

>>54365133
>>54365142
Yeah, two seconds on gatherer drew me straight to it. Also boros charm has always been an option. I wanna like akromas blessing, but 2w isn't something I can see being untapped all that often. How's this then;

-4 manamorphose
+2 apostles blessing
+3 boros charm
+2 aqueous form

Leaves me 20 lands of potentially expensive choice.

>>54361153
Yes I did, I run up to 12 counters post board in my list depending on matchup and E-tron is one of them.

Obviously you never gonna win all your games but bitching and moaning like a kid won't get you anywhere either.

>haven't played magic in 3 years
>still buy cards and watch streams/tournaments
>sitting on atleast 7k worth of staples.
>Friends only play Commander/edh which I hate.

I'll rule the modern scene one day...

Is crucible of snek modern playable?

Show me your exert decks anons

>>54365902
I've put one in the SB of my legacy hex-depths /reanimator deck for more spice and resiliance against wasteland

>>54365902
I've seen people play with him on streams but he isn't doing anything impressive. Ive come to the conclusion that the curcible of worlds was overrated and the fact that it's stapled to a creature makes it worse. Kinda like magus of the moon.

>>54365902
Say it with me Anon.

EDH

>>54365679
Just build a modern deck and head to your lgs friend. You probably won't make lifelong friends there but you'll at the very LEAST get to play modern.

>>54365039

How will you interact with combo decks like Scapeshift, Living End, and Ad Naus? I duno m8 automatically losing game 1 doesn't sound great to me.

>>54367049
Best way to beat combo is to race them.

>>54367069

Say it with me

Control beats Combo
Combo beats Aggro
Aggro beats Control

This is the pyramid. This is the rock-paper-scissors of decks.

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>>54367069
>racing combo
I like where this is going

>combo
What decks are considered combo and why is racing a bad idea?

>>54368541
because you can't outrace an olympic sprinter, but you can trip him up by tying his showlaces together or thoughtseizing their goblin charbelcher

>>54368541
Combo decks are leckd like Tron. they have to assemble certain key pieces to win

have fun i won't be in this thread for a couple more hours

>>54368660

You monster.

Reminder that the best answer to Tron is Pithing needle

>>54368541

It's not like combo these days is completely uniteractive, it gets harder to race them when they can pull off a T4 win consistently or set up a board state that they can win at anytime. It's why scapeshift is one of the better combos around. They have ramp attached to blockers, spot and mass removal, beaters, and of course scapeshift to threaten a game at any time. Ad Naus runs thoughtsieze and push, Devoted Druid type decks are resilient to racing and spot removal and Storm can always grapeshot your board if they need to.
Burn works because they can hit face with spells, DnT and Merfolk type decks work because they have disruption built into their stratagey or baked into their creatures. Linear creature based aggro doesn't have a place in the meta unless you can pull out T3-T4 wins consitantly in the face of discard and removal.

>>54368344
Unless its ad nauseam, then it beats everything but midrange.

>>54368834
All four of them then

>>54368834

how does pithing needle stop reality smasher and thoughtknot seer...?

remember when jeskai nahiri was a deck?

>>54369147
Remember when Bogles was a thing?

>>54369168

Remember when Modern was affordable?

>>54369308
No.

>>54369308
I do not, no.

>>54367049
Just woke up.

Honestly, I only play with the guys on meet up night when my roommate isn't running shadowrun. Most of them have only been playing a handful of years. It's a pretty casual scene and I'm the type where I can't stop making decks. I wouldn't be surprised if half of them didn't even know those cards exist.

Does anyone have a list of that super dumb Nest of Scarabs + Black Sun's Zenith deck?

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>Black is the best color
>White is the worst color

What did Wizards mean by this?

>>54370147

Red is the worst color, though.

>>54370194
Burn is Tier 1.

Give me one good reason you aren't using chinamen. Pro tip: there isn't one.

>>54370287
Chinaman can't beat a jeweler's lens.

>>54370287
There's is a very good reason why someone wouldn't
They are retards

>>54370327
Deck checks like that rarely happen and they look exactly identical to the real thing otherwise. It's not like people carry loupe's around either.

>>54370287
I can't explain where I suddenly got the money for a playset of Karn

>>54370381
>It's not like people carry loupe's around either.
You should meet more Legacy players.

>>54370408
I have a pretty big Legacy scene (~40 players) and I play chinamen and not only have I never been called out but I've never seen anyone carry around a loupe like some autistic card inspector. It's fucking hilarious how grown adults care about what type of cardboard you use in a fucking children's card game.

>>54370408

I play legacy twice a month. They let each other borrow cards they need. One just outright told me I could proxy cards if I wanted to, nobody cared.

They'd rather have people able to play the game and actually have their events fire off then having nobody show up (or the same three people every month show up)

Is there a deck based around the opponent not being able to hold any cards?

>>54370101
No, no one made it because it was stupid.

>>54371366
8 Rack.
It's bad though. Actually bad. You're a free win for Dredge and any Tron variant. You're also too slow for any decent aggro.

Do not build it. I am talking about FNM games.

>>54371366
Hold cards = Have cards in hand?

Play fucking 8rack.

>>54368344
This isn't even close to being hard and fast.

>>54370287
>The Cycle of Modern General
>New B&R announcement
>Butthurt that Wizards would ban the most popular deck again
>Anger at shitbrew collateral damage
>Acceptance of new meta
>"This meta is actually good!"
>"This meta actually sucks!"
>New set releases
>New players come in asking about their first decks because they don't know what formats are
>Bitching about how the new set is trash
>Chinaman shit posting sets in and continues until the next B&R and the cycle starts anew

>>54371597
On the plus side, we can look forward to Stubborn Denial getting banned in August, which will allow the anti-Blue collective to organize the shitposting as the UG Merfolk menace rises.

>>54371597
You forgot people trying to meme a card to get banned like opal, bridge, moon or thoughtseize.

>>54371723
>thinking wizards will wield a chisel when a sledge hammer works "well enough"

Lantern control

yay or nay?

>>54372165
Yay

>>54372165
Yay indeed.

>>54372165
If you want to a bitch

>>54362405
Before you consider making a deck, ask yourself "why the fuck am I building this over any of the many other viable decks in modern?"

>>54372625
Not him, but what if I'm trying to take an archetype that doesn't work, and make it work?
I want Nic Fit to exist in Modern. Primal Druid + Eldritch Evolution + Raven's Crime makes this possible, but bad.

>>54372661
>Primal Druid + Eldritch Evolution + Raven's Crime
This is so shit compared to Therapy+Explorer it's not even funny.

Is stax viable in modern and if yes what are some good stax decks?

>>54373232
https://www.channelfireball.com/articles/modern-monday-bw-smallpox/

>>54373097
A more accurate comment would have been "goddamn Therapy+Explorer is way too strong for Modern"
it might work if EE were remotely playable. Druid into better EE into Solemn Simulacrum is some incredibly safe ramping, that could also turn into Thrun if needed

would EE be more playable if it didn't exile itself?

This post is politely asking for an unbanning of Stoneforge Mystic.

>>54373383
Since the card would be strictly better? Of course it would be "more" playable.
The problem is it's still 1GG for the risk of 2-for-1'ing yourself. Moreover, without an additional ramping scheme, you're trading a two-drop for a four-drop by casting a three-drop.

it's horribly inefficient.
>delve
Now you might get 3-for-1'd, and we're engaged in something much more complicated than just playing a Through the Breach deck.

>>54373383
It would probably be decent with a couple of decks involving E witness. Kind of pisses me off how wizards intentionally made it safe like they did.

>>54373383
Probably. Then you could eternal witness it back. You could build around EE and ghostway/Erie interlude. God that makes my dick hard why does it have that shitty exile clause.

There are some players at my LGS that I want to see suffer. What is the grindiest, durdliest, no win con needed stall deck of all?

>>54373656
lantern control

>>54373656
There is the deck that literally makes you a God

>>54373678
Seconding this

>>54373656
Forty pieces of removal.dec

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>>54373431
>SFM without Jitte

>>54373431
I'd expect that before a DS or eldratron ban.

Free Jitte.

>>54373844
Which colors? I'll need all the cheap removal plus some card draw, so maybe Esper?

>>54374255
mardu with painful truths
>bolt
>path
>push
>helix
>Wraith/Damnation
>Anger of the Gods

>>54373892
Mirrodin swords

>>54374255
RBG is my personal favorite. Decay and Terminate are nice, but the big ones are Destructive Revelry and Ancient Grudge

>>54374299
White is too efficient not to use here between path and cheap artifact and enchantment removal. Also, destructive revelry is a no go because it deals damage to the opponent.

>>54373678
This or 8 rack

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>tfw want to make a turbofog deck
>Tfw it's mostly gonna be shit

>>54373383

be less vague. I spent 10 minutes trying to find out how Engineered Explosives does anything you said.

Holy shit guys, is Devoted Druid/Company Counters the real deal? I just played it as DnT and I was on edge the whole game from the combination of huge Knights of the Reliquary, to instant speed coco chaining in response to removal of druid. The combo chain and just regular beats seems so strong if you know how to pilot it.... is the problem of the deck consistency? Seems fun.

>>54374401
its quite good in standard, mainly because the game was so dumbed down that the only way to meaningfully interact with your opponent is to turn creatures sideways

>>54374445
It's pretty similar to abzan company in that it builds value creatures around an infinite combo. It's a decent deck.

>>54374489
>>54374445
There's a guy at my LGS who built this but focuses WAY too hard on the combo and loses all the time because of it.

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>>54374451
Control wins first open of new standard. Sure little guy, you can only wom by turning your big bad cweatures sideways

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Is it worth it to order a MM2017 boster box? My LGS doesn't have any so I'm a little hesitant to order online since I know theres a chance to just get a repacked box with no value.

>>54374554
well considering that the wincon is Torrential Hulk, yes

>>54374518

That's the thing, I've seen a couple really well built versions of the deck were it has a really solid beat down backup plan with Gavony Township pumping up the mana dorks, or making huge Knights of the Reliquary, all protected by Spell Quellers

>>54374674
buy singles, I learned that lesson the hard way

>>54374674
Buying a box is worth it if you phantom draft it or do a sealed event with friends, otherwise just buy singles.

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I'm just getting into Modern and looking at the UR Kiln Fiend decks, it looks like I will NEED to run either Nivix Cyclops or Thing in the Ice since running only Delver, Swiftspear, and Fiend only makes my deck incredibly susceptible to Bolt and now Fatal Push. Is it worth it to splash black for Claim//Fame and Fatal Push or just stick ot UR for better consistency?

>>54375001
>UR Kiln Fiend decks,
I'll save you the trouble, those decks died with git probe banning and died even more when fatal push was printed.

>>54375068
Damn, what's a nice aggro-y deck then I can play instead of that? I do like the recent solemnity and phyrexian unlife deck but thats pretty pricey

>>54375095
sorry, but modern is a pay-to-win format

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>>54375109

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W/R Prison or Free Win Red, which one is better ? I love Prison decks and I want to build one but I don't know which one to choose.

W/R has more sideboard options given its access to white and FWR has a more reliable manabase coupled with better creature protection in Ensnaring Bridge.

>>54362475
Some of the key cards in the top three decks were printed in the last four years tho. :^)

>>54375095
Affinity if you can afford ravagers, opals and inkmoths.

Otherwise I think you can get mono-red burn for cheap.

Would a W/G deck from the Theros block that focuses on enchanting creatures and taking advantage of Heroic a decent idea? I figure there's enough decent cards with Heroic and it seems that Green has the best enchant cards imo. Top it off with a Karametra and it should be okay.

>>54373656
WB Smallpox, Lantern Control, any Blood Moon variation, 8Rack

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>>54375653
play enchantress instead
it's a patrician deck

>>54373656
to add to the others mentioned, UW Emeria

>>54373383
It was printed the set after dank dwellers. If it didn't exile, you could essentially turn 1 mana dork, turn 2 evolve into an eternal witness (or just play a 3drop), and any Evolution you cast on a 3drop turns it into a 7drop simply by merit of having a GDD in your deck. Not to mention Bellower/Greenwarden jank.

>>54375095
what's your budget?

bushwhacker zoo can be had for around $400 if you skimp on arid mesas, which only screws you over some of the time

>>54376053
Well I'm not looking to have it all built immediately, but I have $200 now which I considered using on a playset of scalring tarns, which is why I was interested in the kiln fiend decks since outside of land the rest is dirt cheap.

>>54376123
the go-to recommended aggro deck for beginners on a budget is mono green stompy. it's not as complicated or fast as a kiln fiend deck, but it's not a bad budget deck by any stretch.

>>54375095
If you like creature based aggro there's naya zoo, revolt zoo, and mono green stompy. Buy they're far from good and you'll lose more than win

>>54375095

reposting hydra scales meme from previous thread, costs 50$ and could be less if you trim Nissa

1 Bow of Nylea
4 Experiment One
4 Avatar of the Resolute
4 Strangleroot Geist
4 Predator Ooze
2 Simic Initiate
2 Servant of the Scale
4 Narnam Renegade

4 Hardened Scales
4 Aspect of Hydra
2 Vines of Vastwood
2 Rancor
1 Nissa, Voice of Zendikar

20 Forest
2 Treetop Village

>>54376220
would way rather have monoR burn than green stompy. you spend a little more but there's actually an upgrade path

>>54375732
Which card is this?

>>54376829
Starfield of Nyx

>>54375653
No. It'd just be a worse bogles, and bogles is already bad.

Is there a way to play grixis aggro without resorting to deaths shadow or are you just gimping yourself by not playing it?

>>54377627
there's a reason the deck is called "grixis death's shadow"

>>54377667
I've been thinking about this for a while, but when death's shadow gets banned can the deck still function with delver? Obviously it won't be as good, but I feel delver can fill that roll once shadow is gone.

>>54377698
Grixis delver existed before the GDS meta took over, it's a decent delver variant but is signifigantly weaker without Death's Shadow.

I don't think DS deserves a ban anyway.

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Which is a better deck, Solemnity or WU Emeria?

Anyone had any luck buying art stuff from Mark Zug?
I sent him an email a couple of months ago about buying some of the prints he had advertised and didn't hear back.
I'll keep being patient obivously, but he did die and not tell me?
Gotta get my Moth Samurai print, boys.

>>54377924
Both are memes dumb frogposter

>>54375732

Enchantress is only good as a legacy deck.

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>>54378099
THEN WHICH IS THE BETTER MEME

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Original brew don't steel

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>Tfw when you're positive your T1 deck is legacy viable
I wasn't even playing a Tiered deck, it's just a shitty monoB Pox/Stax mashup.

>>54378387
>>54378387
How has altar been treating you? It seems like a weak link, since it doesn't support your other wincons, and you aren't going infinite. Have you considered papa Purph? What about squadron hawk, or other token generators?

>>54378387
All you need is a feldar guardian and a restoration angel and your set.

>>54378408
shit this is making me laugh too hard

>>54363628
please respond

>>54378879
Sorry m'dude I've never played an aristocrats deck, not even in original innistrad

>>54376403
Not that anon, but how do your matchups usually go?

>>54374294
More like batterskull

>>54378525
The whole deck is trash, I've reworked it twice now. There was a time when Soul Sisters was a decent deck but that time has long since past. Into the folder of dumpster fire decks it goes.

>>54379883
Just because your brew doesn't work doesn't mean other ones don't.
You're not going to win games if you aren't going infinite with tremors and have virtually no way to beat down, lifegain doesn't win games.

>>54378387
We may as well stuff Cryptolith Rite into this shit pile so we can at least Secure for 15.

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Need a new playmat, what should I get on it?

was thinking bolt desu it looks pretty sick

anyone got ideas?

>>54381326
what deck you play senpai

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>>54381370
Grixis delver

>>54381382
Lmao y tho

>>54381382
Get a Death's shadow playmat with BLACKED.com in the lower left corner.

>>54381659
"BLACKED" is too political. Try something more Magic related like "SHADOWED.com" or similar.

>>54381382
only if it's old lightning bolt

Would this be a decent deck? I haven't played in years and I'm thinking about getting back into it on the cheap.

Creatures:24
4 Nightshade Stinger
4 Prickly Boggart
4 Inkfathom Infiltrator
4 Oona's Blackguard
4 Oona's Prowler
4 Stinkdrinker Bandit

Spells:18
4 Disfigure
4 Duress
2 Bad Moon
4 Wrench Mind
4 Victim of Night

Lands:18
18 Swamp

>>54381382
Should have went to DS or sold out my man

>>54381706
I was going to say that it's unplayable garbage, but you'd probably beat a few decks.

>>54381706
i'd recommend 4 of the new cycle desert, mutavaults if you got em, and 4 of the pain-deserts

>>54381706
What is "decent"? 2-2 At an FNM, at best? Then yeah, probably decent.

>>54370287
I make enough money in a month to buy three competitive Modern decks, that's why. Magic is my only hobby so I don't mind spending a couple hundred extra just to play the intended way, the money would just be rotting in my bank account otherwise.

Same reason why I buy weed from a dispensary, even though I know street dealers could sell me the same exact product at a fraction of the cost.

is Gx Tron still a viable choice in modern right now? I feel like GDS is extremely popular so I'm wary of sleeving up Tron because of all the hand rape

>>54382107
yeah you'll probably do fine with GB tron

Who else is going to SCG Atlanta?

>>54382173
When is that?

>>54382183
This weekend

>>54361478
Why? Cards garbage. You don't think it's going to be sitting in your hand most of the game while you wish it was literally any other card?

>>54382725
As a one-of meme answer-to-the-answer in a very specific deck I can think of worse things it could be.

>>54382725
Yeah the card is crazy specific!

I mean you have to have a creature with 2 or less in your graveyard to use it? Fucking impossible and anyone who says the card is good is a retard

I mean I guess Grixis shadow runs a lot of creatures under 2 cost but it doesn't matter because its just gonna be a DEAD CARD

I mean unless an opponent makes you discard or destroys one. ITLL BE DEAD.

Well I guess you could mill it with Thought Scour which the deck runs 4 of too...hmmm.. ...

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Play this

It's very good and powerful

>but grave and artifact hate

Deceptively easy to fight through

>>54382840
Building in Cockatrice. You better not be lying.

>>54382840

What do you do when you have infinite mana but no Emrakul?

>>54382891
Dig through your deck until you find Emrakul

If you can just get scrap trawler and KCI on the board (which you can do pretty consistently on turn 4) you basically just keep going through all the artifacts until you draw your whole deck

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>>54382840
try this one if u like eggs

>>54382891
only needs 15 mana, you gain it like jeskai ascendancy via good solitaire.
this version goes infinite.

>>54382840
dat culling scales is next level tech

>>54383064
Run me through lines of play

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Why don't you play in the birth of a superior card game?

Beginning magic player here, is it possible to make a modern angel deck without getting BTFO by the current meta-decks?

Not asking for people to hand me card suggestions but more of a gut feeling thing.

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>>54383226

>>54383223
turn 1 you play a 1cmc star-tifact, slam opals (2drops turn1 if u get it online with darksteel/EE) and baubles, or cast ancient stirrings. turn 2 cast mindstone, ichor/puzzleknot to cantrip, hangarback/ballista/retriever or more stars/stirrings. cast KCI, ???, Profit!
crack stars to hit landdrops but try and save for KCI.
With 2 Retriver and a Trawler, or two Trawler and a Retriever, you can draw your deck and gain infinite mana.
the X spells in the deck also turn your Sanctums into Tutors for Retriver.

>>54383500
Look up Angel Moon

>>54383064
You could put in those Kaladesh 1 mana artifacts instead of Mind Stone, Baubles and Puzzle knot for more draw.

>>54383500
Maybe something with sigil of the empty throne.

>>54371723
>UG Merfolk
What?

>>54385898
Company

Fuck off with your shit memes slamcunt

>>54383500
Tier 1 and 2 decks will basically be favored in most shitbrew matchups, an incredibly tuned shitbrew can probably take games against decks it should beat, but tiered decks are tiered for a reason.

Casual here. Is beacon of tomorrows too expensive?