Why are ancient settings never used? It's always medieval.

>>54336191
Wrong. Its always pseudo-renaissance.

Because lotr is popular while the argonauts isn't.

>>54336221
It's funny cause lotr owes elements to epics like the Argonauts

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less non-state controlled scribes meant most stories focused on the state and it's generals and other leaders so the setting is less fleshed out.

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Early medieval > high medieval

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>>54336191
Because you've entered a bad crowd.

https://pastebin.com/DtKQ6iQt
>Greek Fantasy Tips and Resources

>>54336191
>that armor
10/10 guaranteed replies

>>54336191
LOTR imitators who never read the book assuming it was "medieval".

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>>54336191
Sup

>>54336210
Renaissance *is* pseudo-medieval.

>>54337422
It's just what everyone around her is wearing, minus the helmet.

The only real "sins" are that she has no muscle tone, and thus probably shouldn't be on the front lines, and that she broke formation for no reason, likely a result of inexperience or poor discipline.

Probably some landowner's daughter who wanted her to get some military training for some asinine reason, but didn't realize that she wasn't guaranteed a safe position away from combat.

>>54337663
you're supposed to reply to the OP

>>54337663
The blonde hair and green eyes suggest she's a barbarian, maybe some sorta Celt or Germanic.

>>54336210
Wild West with superficial medieval elements.

>>54336191
No it isn't. Large parts of what we consider "medieval" never happened in the first place.

http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/volatile/Niemitz-1997.pdf

>>54336191
This is the worst phalanx I've ever seen.

>>54337663
>Broke formation
>No helmet
>No protection on her underboob
0/10

>>54337613
No.

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>>54336191

>>54336191
>muh women fighters!

>depict a woman leading a roman legion
>the legion's phalanx is all fucked up
>the slutty commander is distracting her men with her giant boobs and ass
>no fucking helmet
Jesus L christ

>>54336191
Mazes & Minotaurs. Go play it.

>>54337715
You're lying if you say this isn't a great setting.

>>54337663
It's nowhere even close to what everyone else is wearing. What she is wearing is some "designer" crap that probably made real armourers vomit in a ten mile radius from the place of its creation.

If she was wearing what everyone wears there would be a padding under armour and we won't be able to see her boobs, because they would be squished under padding and armour. Her shield is also smaller than others.

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>>54337663
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>>54337741

I'm glad this post has been ignored, because it's the dumbest thing I've read all week.

>>54337663
There's not necessarily anything ahistorical about this pic.

The Roman legions were often accompanies by forces of auxiliaries who served as skirmishers in battle, harassing the enemy army as it advanced on the Roman lines, then clearing out before the serious fighting started. These auxiliaries were largely untrained and self-equipped, basically seen as expendable troops who were left to their fate if they got caught between the two forces.

So what we've got here is an auxiliary from Gaul or Germania, wearing a partial set of Roman gear likely scavenged from the dead. She's gotten her self stuck between the armies, but the Roman legion isn't going to open the shield wall to let her through, so she's pretty much screwed.

>>54338909
>she's pretty much screwed
Wink wink, nudge nudge?

>>54338114
Don't you see the size of those knockers? They're as big as her head, no way some padding can squish them. You'd need some eskimo level of clothing to hide all that stuff.

>>54336191

>No helmet
>Broke formation under fire
>Hair not at regulation length, possible carrier of lice and other parasites
>fucking godawful stance
>Shield is not protecting entire body, legs completely exposed
>Shorter than the surrounding men, even in formation, she would have to raise her shield above a comfortable posture for optimum protection

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>Your Mammalian Visage When there are no copper age settings
>Your Mammalian Genitalia When everyone ignores Çatalhöyük and other proto-cities for setting creation
>Your Mammalian Mammaries When no one bothers with Mayan city-state epics

>>54341334
It's a very specific but no less real sort of feels.

>>54336191

Because anglos and germanics rule the world today while the greeks and romans have faded into relative obscurity.

>>54336191
People forgetting:

>those toe nails

Also classic blunder. Although I'm sure it was intentional.

>>54343063
Not just the nails, those toes in general are absolutely fucked up.

>>54338067
Didn't say it was bad, just that it wasn't renaissance or pseudo-medieval.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12HXnYNA6Cg

>>54338997
No, I mean that she's going to totally get speared by the approaching enemy phalanx. In a few moments, there will be dozens of men jamming their polearms into her.

Are there any good RPGs set during the Roman republic?

>>54336191
Too much state control, bronze age is dominated by highly centralized city states, classical antiquity by bureaucratic empires. You can play border tribes or early iron age but that may as well be early medieval in all but aesthetics (but also in aesthetics anyway).

>>54336191

Most games are played with D&D and D&D is really hard to do well outside of its very specific medieval fantasy renaissance without extensive homebrewing which either most GMs can't be bothered with or most players roll their eyes at.

Meanwhile playing another game is haaard, can't we just play D&D?

>>54339821
Boobs are like bags of sand right?

>>54336191

LOTR and D&D

Slavery, genocide, murder and spectacle.

>>54336191

>Dat angry guy in the background

gets me every time.

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>>54336191
you derailed your own thread before it started with your abhorrent image, good job OP

>>54350272
Salty milk and coins

>>54343828
That's one way to put it.

Burgerland I guess ?
There are a fuckload of ancient settings in TTRPG, you just live in a glorified thrid world country.

>>54336191
Because you don't know about settings outside DnD

>>54336191

>Why are ancient settings never used?
>forgets that Middle-earth is the most famous ancient setting ever

>>54336191

Rome 2 ruined my childhood.

>>54343880

Please respond.

>>54350387

I'll never get this " U.S. is basically third world" meme you eurofags push. It's just kind of sad really. Like those retarded inbred racist fucks who try to convince themselves they aren't pathetic because they're somehow "superior" to black people.

>>54350454

The Europeans have always seen the US as illegitimate and unsophisticated heirs. Europe always had this belief in its own exceptionalism. Americans like to talk about their exceptionalism but the Europeans truly were exceptional.

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Don't care about ancient settings but I'm always interested in the Roman aesthetic, kind of "what if Rome survived until late medieval period advancing only technologically". IE centurion knights.

>>54336191
Most people don't try to adapt a system to ancient or even pre-14th century Europe. The systems that already those things out in the open though are collectively my niggas, even the ones I don't know yet.

>>54350619
Maybe the brits but I can say that the most of my country does not gives a crap and just wants to do what it does.
Europe does not has a unified opinion, trying to push that would have most shout out.
ARE YOU TRYING TO COMPARE ME WITH THE FUCKING (insert other nationality)?
I mean shit, go and try to have the Irish share an opinion like that with the brits.
Or the Frech with the Italians.
Its not that all go around fighting but their diffirent enough to twist about stuff like this.

>>54350921
Probably like the Byzantine Empire in structure, but more Western and Italian looking. I'm currently working on a campaign that's set in an empire like that

>>54350959
That's exactly what I'm avoiding. No advancement beyond technological so that the culture, politics and designs remains the same. That or just transplanting it to medieval fantasy times rathen than having it survived before.

>>54350990
I mean, Byzantine bureaucracy was very close to the standard Roman Empire, so it's nothing to fear. Roman armor mixed with Italian designs is basically the picture you posted earlier, too.

>>54336191
I would really like to run a neopaleolithic fantasy setting some day.
> Dwarves and humans are mostly settled into villages while most everyone else remains nomadic
> proto-magicians and shamanistic holy men have yet to break reality but the can bend the fuck out of it
> MAYBE a small number of dwarves have developed bronze and their weapons are fabled tokens of master warriors.

> Beer just got invented

It would be fun as fuck with a party that knows their shit.

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>>54351011
IIRC they used mostly scale while I'm skipping to plate.

>>54351054
Also:
> the Stars haven't decided where they're going to stay and sometimes wonder
> those who listen carefully can he still hear the trees the grass the stones and the world whispering in a language that will become Arcana
> gods often rain directly over there people
> sometimes the fierce battles between Gods can reshape the land

>>54350945

The rest just see the US as either the usurpers or the upstarts.

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>>54336191
ACKS is good for relatively faithful classical/antiquity games, which is basically the default setting. You could probably safely cut out the magic if you wanted. I know that a bunch of people have played it set in Hellenistic and Greco-roman civilizations.

>>54337613

I think you must of failed history.

>>54351507

In his defence, early renaissance overlaps with late middle ages, the last century to be precise.

>>54336191

honestly I think it is because allot of themes lack. Especially if you use dnd/other middle age fantasy as a base. Why make your martial even weaker? Yup I said such. They need to rely on stats more then their equipment then ever before because, their equipment is just plain worse then later ages.

But lets say you do not make it a d20 game and use something like gurps or some other system. The lack of martial choice is still a issue. Maybe you could make it bronze age asia and add allot of ki/kung fu abilities. If we choose Greece or Rome for example. It would just feel like allot like Europe but without the knights in armour and more like bands of fighters with crappier equipment. You would just solely relie on the setting to make things interesting which can be refreshing. For some at least. but, I guess the real reason being is that later ages provide more stuff then thus more content.

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Has anyone played pic related? I've been meaning to run a one-shot of this

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>>54351611
>less content

>Scythian/Hunnic horse-archers
>Falxmen running around bare-chested
>Mediterranean hoplites
>Mycenaean heavy armor and great-shields
>Heavily armored spartans
>Egyptian dudes with big curved weapons
>African camel-rider nomads
>Germanic swordsmen
>Grenadiers hurling incendiary mixtures (i.e. naptha/greek fire)
>Median heavy cavalry with based color scheme
>Iberian/Italian skirmish-fighters
>Cretian slingers
>Chariot riders
>Carthaginian elephant-riders

I'm probably missing stuff from the Europe/Near-East area, and you could even import shit from India or the far east if you want. That includes stuff like the Indian metal whip and really primitive firearms like flame-spears. Your fantasy world doesn't have to be a perfect representation of one historical place and time.

>>54351507
I think you "must of" failed English.

>>54351611

Holy shit read a book nigger.

>>54352005

Thing is allot of that content exists in the middle ages, expect for perhaps the chariots.

What kind of jobs would be expected out of a household slaver in the Eastern Roman Empire?

>>54352544

>salver.

I meant slave.

>>54351242
Folks that like to shitpost on international forums maybe.
But I got a hard time believing that poles, hungarians, all of the scandinavian countries, the swiss, germans, austrians, anyone not involved in the colonial times of the new world, has such an opinion about america in its population in general, or as a substancial chunk of lets say 25%.
Hell even countries that were like the dutch don't fucking care.
I'd lump the spanish with it but honestly I am not sure about them but I don't got the idea that they got the idea that americans are just some upstarts or some rebel colony.

>>54350921
>what if Rome survived until late medieval period advancing only technologically
You'd get the Byzantine Empire

>>54336221
To be fair the Argonautica is not a very accessible epic, since it was an experimental work that deviates from both the normal conventions of an epic poem and the conventions that would eventually characterize western literature. There are a lot of what we'd call loose ends, tangents, and random moments.

In many ways it's like a tabletop campaign.

>>54351054

This is a good idea and should be a thing.

>>54351171
>gods rain directly over their people
>being a piss fetishist
you have no place here, please be gone pissmancer. No magical realms here

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>>54351100
Hope this helps.

>>54350454
I've lived in the US and in Europe, and substantial parts of the US really are pretty much third world.

Just play Mythic Iceland.

>>54351507
I mean, random villagers all over europe kept living almost exactly identical, medieval style lives until the industrial revolution had been going on for years. To say renaissance is pseudo medieval is bit misleading, yes. But that's because it is nearly identical to late medieval times, not just only "pseudo-medieval".

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>>54337604
As much as I love RQ6, this is the one edition of the game that caters the most to the standard medieval fantasy mash..

>>54352756
>epic
>accessible
You mean like "you only need to have been immersed in elite educated culture your whole life to get it" as opposed to "you need to read books your whole life to get it"?

>>54351611
You are terrible at this language. Get a spellchecker if nothing else, since that can be automated there's no excuse.

>>54351611
Jesus how people who don't know shit are always so sure about their dumb opinions? Go study a bit you illiterate nigger

>>54352928
Same with Europe really. They're both big continents with massive populations. Many places are just going to be run down.

>>54350921
Byzantines but Latin instead of Greek.

>>54351054
>>54351171
Check out Wolf Packs & The Winter Snow. Its an osr from here. It does neolithic d&d.

>ACKS is just a d20 knockoff
Shame.

>>54337741
>http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/volatile/Niemitz-1997.pdf

>what is astronomy?

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>>54343880
>>54350443

It's not much, but pic related is a conversion of Classic Traveller for the early Principate.
Wouldn't take too much refluffing to work for the late republic familia

>>54343828
Say no more, SAY NO MORE!

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>>54353345
>leaving the formation

>>54337613
>>54351507
>>54351561
The late middle ages comprises the 1500's you twats.

>>54352251
No they don't.
The Balkans and Anatolia were not overrun by Slavs and Seljuks. The Caspians still had Scythians, Sarmatians and Alans not Bulgars.

>>54353361
Enh Formations are like battle plans. None survive contact with the enemy. It's not like they are even doing a shield wall.

I'm interested in this too and have been working on my own Bronze Age game, like a pared-down RQ.

I think a lot of it has to do with the obscurity of these times (relatively few actual records, extant cultures and it's barely touched upon in schools) and thus the lack of touchstones for people to relate it to (there are a million works with a pseudo-medieval aesthetic, but name a handful with a Bronze Age aesthetic).

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>>54353541
>Enh Formations are like battle plans
The fuck are on about? Formations stay until they break either on command or by the opposing force and they are a standing order.

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>>54337663
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>>54353330
>no one posted the right image

>>54352051
+1

That was literally among the dumbest things I've seen on the internet. Saving for copypasta

>Why do I choose not to play ancient settings? I always choose medieval.

>>54337741
>http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/volatile/Niemitz-1997.pdf

Get real please https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_time_hypothesis

>>54352915
Zeus once seduced a woman in the form of a shower of gold.

Whizzard.jpg

>>54350454
There is a very large, and very underestimated gulf between urban America and rural American - and there can be a big difference between states, too. There really are some town like that, especially towns that built up around an industry that's died since.

>>54352915
Greek mythology has a lot more kinky shit dude

>>54350619
--Appalachian hillfuck wants to fill the guy from the next farm over full of buckshot because of a 150 year old bullshit feud.

--Balkan hillfuck wants to shiv the guy from the next farm over, because 500 year old bullshit feud.

OK the Yrop's better at it because he's been doing it longer. But that's nothing to brag about.

>>54355050
>slavs
European

>>54336191
>Why are ancient settings never used?

It's used mostly for sword&sorcery settings.

>>54353953
Please at least change the allot.

That alone drove me to point of insanity

Stone age setting best setting

>>54351507

Because medieval settings are easy, simple to imagine and describe, and cover such a wide range of time periods it's hard to imagine anything else.

For fantasy settings with time periods, I could see:
>Paleolithic
>Ancient/Bronze Age
>Medieval
>Reniassance (medieval with guns)
>Early Industrial/Wild West
>Roaring 20s, world war tech
>MAYBE 1950s-1970s style spy tech
>Modern day
>Science fiction

It's very difficult to squeeze between these periods. How would you even signify the difference between a medieval and iron age setting, for example.

>>54352976
>elite educated culture

If you're talking about Classics in general that's a bit of a stretch.
I took it back at high school and we covered entry-level stuff like the Iliad and the Aeneid fairly well, along with stuff like Cicero's letters and Herodotus. To be fair, the teachers that took it were fairly great, and we were one of like 4 schools in the country that offered the course.

I feel like because they are from sch different cultures you do generally need to do a bit of background reading to appreciate them fully.

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>>54336191

>>54350921
>advancing only technologically
But society advances along with tech. There are reasons societies change over time, you know.

Frankly, they'd likely advance in a way real history did if they advanced (technologically) the way real history did. A lot of why societies worked the way they did was to take advantage of their historical context. For instance, by late Empire Rome already had basically a proto-feudalism going on and so a medieval Rome would probably just be a feudal kingdom with some roman aesthetic traditions.

>>54352251
The elephants the Carthaginians used (most famously by Hannibal in the Second Punic War) went extinct by the middle ages.

>>54352544
I'm assuming you mean a house slave of a relatively wealthy family, like minor nobles or a really well-off merchant.

It depends a little. You're probably thinking most of a domestic servant, and the answer to that is, frankly, what do you expect? They clean dishes and sweep floors and empty chamber pots and serve food (depending on the size of the house and/or personal preference, they may or may not also be the cook). Domestic servitude is not a role that really changes all that much from era to era or place to place. Think of all the things you do around the house that you'd call chores. Most of them involve needs (food, shelter, cleanliness/sanitation, aesthetic preference, care for children or animals, etc) that are essentially universal.

I don't know that much about ERE sexual mores, post-Christianity it might have been less acceptable to fuck your slaves, but in late Republic Rome it was pretty much just the norm. House slaves were sex slaves, and nobody thought twice about it. So that might, or might not, be part of the job.

>>54350921
>what if Rome survived until late medieval period
You'd get the ERE, which is the part of the Roman Empire that survived until the late medieval period.

We call them the Byzantine Empire today as a means of differentiation but that is not a historical term - the ERE considered themselves the Roman Empire until their last.

>>54355050
That's second world anyway.

>>54353920
You'd kill 1 tenth of her?
How?

>>54352928

This is empirically true. The American Society of Civil Engineers gave the US' infrastructure a D+ for last year. Roads and bridges in most of the country are falling apart. 18 million people have lead-contaminated water. About 40 million don't have regular access to food. Half or so is in or near poverty.

The US has a dual-economy, much like a third-world country. That it has the financial center of the world, the largest military, relative political stability for now, and the best universities are what keeps it being considered a developed nation.

>>54356767
The balkans are quite literally second-world.

>tfw people don't realize "third-world" doesn't actually mean "shithole," the terms just got closely associated with one another because countries that don't join the western free-market world invariably end up becoming shitholes

>>54336702
you're a man of culture

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>>54353920
>1/10 Would Decimate
>mfw

>>54336191
>>54353330
>>54353345
>>54353920
So... we're all in agreement that we'd still fuck her though, right?

>>54358590
After she trims her toenails, sure.

>>54338909
>So what we've got here is an auxiliary from Gaul or Germania, wearing a partial set of Roman gear likely scavenged from the dead.
Lorica Segmentata was pretty much never personally owned. By the time that stuff was used, the regular soldiers were equipped by the state. There is absolutely no way in hell her officer (who was Roman) would let her scavenge from dead Roman soldiers, especially scavenge his state owned equipment.

>>54358590
>even thinking of touching a girl with only 2 dimensions
3D is superior.

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here, now she's a true woman of the republic

semper roma and all that

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>>54358965
>Imperial Gallic helmet
>woman of the Republic

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>>54358943
> nigga doesn't into Flatlanders
> nigga doesn't want to be a cool extraplanar god to beings with fewer dimensions than himself
> nigga doesnt want to bust over 2D virgins, immaculately conceiving 2D lords and saviors.

Nigga!

>>54336191
It's easier to relate to medieval society. There's nobody alive who can relate to Roman or Hellenic or Gallic pagan society the same way we can relate to French and German Christians. They're society, worldview and way of life is more relevant to us thus easier to sympathize with and understand.

>>54360604
>There's nobody alive who can relate to Roman or Hellenic or Gallic pagan society the same way we can relate to French and German Christians
>There's nobody alive who can relate to
>There's nobody alive who
>nobody alive
>alive

Anon? Is there something you're not telling us?

>>54357009

How could this happen.

>>54360851
>Not knowing revenants, ghosts, and wights post on 4chan
The afterlife must be boring.

>>54361107
>undead shitposters
Oh fuck. That one mummy-anon was right.

To make a long story short.

The ancient times as we know them, the ACTUAL ancient times (not the classical period) are very lightly understood by us, due to a little thingy called the bronze age collapse, an apocalypse-ish event that caused the fall of the minoan greeks, the hittites and nearly fucked up egypt,

But from what we know, warfare and fighting generally involved massed bow volleys and chariots and very little man on man fighting, in other words, it was BORING AS SHIT

>>54361328
So? Base it off their myths and legends then, or at least the pop-culture version of them.

I'd kill a motherfucker for an Illiad campaign.

>>54361586
The pact is sealed

Kill one man who has committed the sin of incest with his own mother, then draw a pentagram in his blood at midnight. The campaign will begin shortly. Snacks will be provided, extra souls will not.

>>54356120

> How would you even signify the difference between a medieval and iron age setting, for example.

> Paganism is by far, the most common religion, but a monotheist cult is slowly and steadily rising in popularity despite extreme persecution, at the time, there is no organized church, and plenty of room for mystery cults
> Instead of castles, there were wooden forts reinforced with dirt, most likely on top of a hill with a dry moat, and perhaps one or two towers for defending archers
> Metalworking is crude and your effective weapon options are essentially limited to one-handed longswords, long spears, short stabbing weapons, and improvised tool use
> Technology is still primitive, crossbows and full-plate mail don't yet exist, which means long bows and chain mail are in the vogue
> The ancient !Not!Roman empire collapsed only a century or two ago, ambitious warlords and leftover noble dynasties still haven't had enough time to consolidate their territory, or form large kingdoms
> Rampant plagues, nigh-annual famines, domestic banditry, primitive savages, and foreign raiders scourge the land, the average peasant is a hard-ass bastard because otherwise he wouldn't survive

And that's just off of the top of my head, there's a lot you can do with the iron age.

>>54356791
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimation_(Roman_army)

>>54361107
>>54361189
Pompeii ghosts are well known for their outstanding shitposting. See >>54336359

>>54361934
Oh god there's blood everywhere. Why did nobody warn me?

>>54336191
Because no one wants to just eat and fuck all day and only kill animals

>>54362546
Honestly, most of those also hold true for the Bronze Age collapse. Just replace Not!Rome with Not!Egypt/Hittites.