Warhammer 40k General (40kg)

I want to get into this game, but I know next to nothing about it. Are those MEGA links a good place to start? How necessary are the sets (with the miniatures and such)?
Sorry if this isn't the appropriate place to ask.

40k 101:

you have your miniatures that you put together and paint

you put them on a table with fake terrain and stuff

you use rules in the rulebook and army indexes (which give your dudes specific rules and shit) to fight other armies of painted plastic dudes on fake terrain

you come up with stories based around these battles, and/or play competitively, and/or roll dice for shits and giggles

>>54328711
I imagined it was pretty much like most other tabletop RPGs, but how complicated are the rules (and the plot)? Looking at the files in the first mega link there makes me worried I'll have to spend 5 years reading before I can play.

Hows that backlog looking?

Ive got over 350 models to paint

>>54328711
>you come up with stories based around these battles
my group doesnt do this and ruins it for me

>>54328752
Not an RPG. It's a wargame. At least, that's what we talk about in this thread.

There ARE 40k RPGs, and there is a special thread for that that would be better for those questions

>>54328752
In general 40k looks more complicated than it is, its a very simple game thats better learned doing than reading.

Just read the codices and pick an army based on how cool it looks to you, Shadow War Armageddon uses another rules set but its a skirmish game that requires very few minis so you might want to start there to see if you like wargames or painting minis.

>>54328758
Same. Sad thing is deep down I know I'll never finish them all and yet I keep buying more stuff

>>54328752
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQjJhsa8sxU&list=PLliZQodsai-ic8wXh9zeEnl4jktbdViGu

>>54328782
Ah, I see. Good to know. I'll try to get my hands dirty like >>54328785 suggests, then. It still seems like a pretty cool game.

>>54328786

We all do.

>>54328487
Try 1d4chan and just float around the articles. Then read the corresponding Lexicanum wiki.

The MEGAs have novels and rules and other stuff like that.

It's a mini wargame you doofus, they're incredibly important.

Now this could backfire if you encounter some turbo autist, but scope out your local (F)LGS.

>>54328795
Will watch, thanks.

>>54328833
Yeah, I thought it was more of a classic D&D-like RPG, so I was approaching it wrong. I'll take a look at the material in the MEGAs, see what I can understand, then maybe I'll come back in a future thread once I actually understand at least a little bit.

>>54328786
Been selling the stuff I know ill never pick up again

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THREADLY REMINDER

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>trying to put together a parts list for some sword and board vanguard veteran knights
>all the power swords are left handed
>all the shields are left handed
>mfw

>>54328758

My backlog has actually never been that large, but it's steadily growing even though I don't buy that much.

5 HQs/single models, soon to be 6 with Primaris
25 infantry, soon to be 35 with Primaris
5 large infantry
1 small tank
1 large tank

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How many Start Collecring! Tempestus do I need for a 2k army ?
5-6 is enough ?

>>54329196
What else are you running?

I love valkerie bullgryns and knights for scion heavies.

>>54329196
You might end up with too many Tauroxes/Commissars?

>>54328889
If you want RPG's you should check out the general threads for the RPG's, /40rpg/. There are several different games that put you in the shoes of heretics, deathwatch marines, a rogue trader, and then some random mooks. They're a ton of fun.

>>54329245

Way to many commissars, but it's nice to have a lot of Tauroxs and the deal for the start collecting box is better than buying squads seperate anyway.

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>>54329196
Gee, Bill! What are you gonna do with all those commissars?

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Who's the best spambot?

what are good loadouts for chimeras?

Is the vanilla taurox fine? how hard is it to set up a taurox model to be swappable between the taurox and prime?

Glaive/Blast Pistol or Glaive/Agonizer on a Succubus?

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>>54328989
NARRATIVE PLAY IS THE OBJECTIVE BEST WAY TO PLAY

WHY ELSE WOULD YOU PAINT MODELS AND RELIGIOUSLY STUDY THE LORE IF YOU DONT WANT TO PLAY OUT YOUR OWN BATTLES WITH YOUR FRIENDS AND BUILD YOUR OWN HEAD CANON FOR >>>/yourdudes/

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>>54329214
>>54329245
>>54329272
>>54329282

Sucls to have a commisar instead of another 5 scion for sire but hey, pic related.

Im tired of my Harlequin and want something more "in your face"
Dont know much about Scion but I was thinking something like

5 Taurox prime with gatling+heavy stubber+HSVG - 500
5 Vultures (Gatling) - 800
lots of melta and plasma scion

>>54328989
>I'm so upset I never win!
>I'll just blame the winner >:(

>>54329397
Blast pistol. The agoniser is pretty meh this edition around. At least the blast pistol gives you an actual damage option.

>>54329431
How do you play your harlequins that scions feel more in your face than the murder clowns? Is it the whole deepstrike thing that scions have?

>>54329480
Okay, that's how I modeled her. Thanks. I was just making sure one last time before painting.

>500 points patrol detachment
>marines can bring 10 dudes (primaris only)
>deldar 21 dudes
>ig can bring 48 fuckers, 6 are HWT with lascannons, 10 are snipers, and 1 is a walker scout with an autocannon
That's just cheating.

>>54329507
It's weird. In the previous editions, agonisers were the way to go with their ap3 and poison 4+. Now electrocorrosive whips are better and units that can take agonisers might not even want to anymore since you can shoot pistols in cc now.

>>54329532
>marines can bring 10 dudes (primaris only)

Intercessors are 20ppm. 500/20=25, not 10.

Are there going to be new Primaris pre-orders this Saturday? Haven't seen anything online.

>>54329532
>Primaris only

I think I found your problem.

Getting tired of those kids building gimped lists just because "muh troo-scale".
I know you're all good goys and want to be cucked with inferior rules for pretty models, but you're limiting yourself to a single tool in the very expansive toolbox that is the Space marine army list.

But keep playing with your fisher price marines, I guess, they make you feel grown up "like a chad" and they're big enough for you to horribly fingerpaint them.

>>54329532
The IG is a horde army, you know. It's their whole reason of being.

>>54328758
20 Scions/Kasrkin
8 Bullgryn, 3 are half painted
2 Taurox Primes
Manticore
2 basikisks but 1 is close
Wyvern
Valkyrie
Touch ups on random vehicles
Straken count as
Nork
3 Inquisitor models
Some heavy weapons and special weapons

I have 70+ infantry and 6 vehicles done so far.

Reminder that they should just change the T'au to A'nts already

>>54329575
Anyone with Chad models who doesn't run them as their manlet equivalents is missing out

>>54329532
>>54329552
Sorry, missed the "patrol detachment" bit, as that would imply you're spending points on an HQ of some sort. Still, spending 300 of your 500pts on your HQ is a little silly.

>>54329575
I think the primaris is just a hypothetical situation to highlight disparity in model counts at a specific points bracket. Not that he is trying to build a primaris list and complaining that IG gets to spam meat bags.

>>54329593
It was also an ancient and inceptors.

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How do Orkz deal with tanks?
A bunch of tooled up Nobz?

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I've seen plenty of conversions for stuff like Orks and such, but are there really any oppurtunities for conversion for Necrons? I wanted to start them and maybe modify some stuff because I'm not a huge fan of some vehicle designs, but I don't know that there's really any precedent to provide inspiration.


Would there be a way to make them look like Geth? At least in the heads, they would help make them less human.

>>54328758
>3 Librarians
>2 Captains
>1 Chaplain
>1 Techmarine
>20 guys worth of several support characters and veterans
>10 devastators
>15 assault marines
>10 vanguard vets
>20 sternguard vets
>20 tac marines
>20 misc marines
>5 terminators
>5 sisters of silence
>1 rhino
>2 primarchs
>2 contemptor dreads
>1 Atropos Knight
>1 Castigator Knight
>Inquisimunda warband consisting of 15 dudes
>Several Frostgrave warbands totaling 40 models

And I still gotta finish a 35 model deathguard army I've got paid to paint as well as several infinity models.

I really don't notice how more I need to paint until i write it down...

>>54329627
With boyz.
Keep a waaagh!!! banner nearby and they hit on 2+ with their 4 attacks. Then it's only a matter of time before they roll enough enough 6's to wound.

>>54329627
Ork rokkits from any source in the army are pretty devastating with the 3 flat damage they pump out. Tankbustas are nice as well as a few Nobs with right flash kombi rokkits, both can get rerolls to hit.

>>54328758

Actually not to bad at the moment.

Few squads of Scions. A taurox. A Knight. 3 dunecrawlers and 5 ironstriders. I've cleared a lot of my backlog.

>>54328758
>10 Fire Warriors
>3 Stealth suits
>Broadside
>a FUCKTON of drones
>10 Wyches
>Succubus (working on now)
>10 Hellions
>6 Reavers
>Imperial Knight

>>54329501
I guess harlequin dont put out 400 shots a turn like his scion list.

>>54329671
>>54329672
What about fliers? Is it also boyz?

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>>54329646
Sprucrons or bust, anon

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>>54329707
Yes.
There's no problem you can't solve by throwing enough boyz at it.

>>54329664
>>3 Librarians
>>2 Captains
>>1 Chaplain
>>1 Techmarine

What is this for ? are you actually building multiper chapters at the same time ?

>>54329282
>>54329431
wait, just realized. Tempestus come from the Schola Progenum right? And that's where they train Commissars as well?

So you could have a "Commissar Junior" squad or soemthing. Maybe field them as Acolytes or something similar.

how are custodes? are they decent footslogging? how are spearstodes?

>>54329646
I am putting darth vader capes on all of my necrons as a side project.

For more in depth modeling, look at the old wraiths and back port new units into necron bodies. Spyders with flayed one torsos instead of heads, triarch stalkers without riders, etc.

>>54328487
The models are required to play, assuming you like playing this game and want to play it with other people. Unless you play on Vassal or TTS

Mega Links include all the rules for the whole game.


Its a fun game. But it takes a lot of time and money. Though I did the math once and like most TT games the money-to-time-of-fun ratio is really good.

>>54329793
I believe they are strong against small arms fire, weak against anti-vehicle and mortal wounds. Use distraction carnifexes to pull focus, like knights, baneblades, etc.

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holy shit guys, anyone notice that the current CSM are fucking manlets!? I just finished my first new deathguard, and he dwarfs my havoc-- chaoslets btfo

>>54329646
Sounds cool, but you would have to sculpt them yourself or pay someone else to. Best thing would be design it in whichever program shapeways accepts and have them print you a ton of heads

>>54329773

I'm never going to find the source for this

>>54329532
>Captain ~100pts
>Tac squad of 10 ~ 150pts
>Tac squad of 10 ~ 150 pts

That's already 21 marines with points to spare.


If I were IG, I'd bring
>Company Commander (30)
>Infantry Squad x4 (~250)
>a fucking Leman Russ (~180)

gives me 40 dudes and a tank that the other guy definitely does not have enough AT to deal with

>>54328758
Terminator captian
20 Terminators
Landraider
Stormraven
Primarus half of dark imperium

2 etherals
Coldstar commander
3 crisis commanders
20 firewarriors
10 pathrinders
Ghostkeel
Devilish
Old style broadside
And a fuck-tonne of drones

Kill me

>>54329776
I also play Horus Heresy, so while generic in normal 40k, many of them have a unique role to fill in my 30k lists.

Also, I like building and painting special characters, it's fun.

>>54329914
Don't bother, they aren't actually traps.

>>54328758
>Hows that backlog looking?
>Ive got over 350 models to paint
I've got maybe 12 kriegers to finish, then i've got a full 1000pts army for 40k.

Meanwhile, I have 3 unpainted AoS armies that are over 2500 pts each. Kill me.

>>54329850
It looks more like old CSM is stuck in squat pose

>>54328758

>4 carnifex, 64 genestealers, around 80+ assorted gaunts, around 12 medium bugs
>Leman Russ, 6 sentinels, around 70-100 guys including a shitton of HWTs
>2k of assorted chaos, including 12 termies, 30 CSM

>>54329931
>AoS
No anon, you live with the pain of your actions.

Finished Daemons cost-calcs much earlier than expected, due to the small number of options: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1h0hk_IdJ7fivDEjMiIpKM5yMMB8HTm64lZHuKdLZCIU/edit?usp=sharing

Lots of melee stuff, which means lots of units which are very efficient if they can reach their targets.

With that, I've worked through my current queue, but I've also now done so many armies that I may as well finish the rest. Requests for priority are open, otherwise I'll probably be doing Necrons next, alongside a T'au rewrite at some point.

Calling it that I'm going to finish this thing just in time for Codexes to start dropping.

>>54328989
gods creations are perfect.

in your case perfectly cucked.

>>54329914
https://exhentai.org/g/1041914/efa0664b3b/

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Can the order : TAKE AIM!
That makes you reroll 1's can be used to not die while using overcharged plasma ?

>>54329960
i have a question, how do i tell if a weapon is a good all-rounder?

>>54329983
orz

>>54329988
Yeap.

>>54329850
>Imperial iconography still on autocannon

Is he being ironic?

>>54329793
instaloose vs anything mortalwound like biovores

>>54329071
Cut the hands off and glue them to a different arm upside down. If it looks too retarded then glue a purity seal over the top so you cant see the actual hand

>>54329988

If you have the option to reroll, you can do so before resolving the final result. Yes, you can reroll a 1 from Overcharged Plasma and hopefully not roll a 1 again, which would result in the death of the miniature.

Also, you can spend a Command Point to do as much as well. Just putting that out there.

>>54329988
hell fuck yes. It's wahy having a Junior Officer makes sense with a mobile command squad. (Or a Company commander w 2 command squads)

>>54330009
He stole it

>>54329960
Thanks anon.

>>54329998
Check out the second table, further down, for the cost-efficiency calculation. As an all-arounder, you want to see green or yellow (25-60ish pts per wound per turn) against a variety of opponents.

Missile Launchers (Frag vs Krak) you'll notice has yellow values against infantry with frag and against vehicles with krak, indicating that it's decent against both target classes when using the right ammo, but not great against either.

In general though, the only stuff that's decent against everything is either:
1. Melee, meaning the challenge is reaching your opponent
or
2. Based around Smite. Smite does flat mortal wounds regardless of the target, so you'll see very even efficiency distributions. Check out Grey Knights as an example.

>>54328758
I have a bit of work to do, but I have buckled down and gotten a lot done in the past month.
Chaos Knight, 5 Chosen, 10 Cultists
A shitton of heavy weapons teams, 10 guardsmen, 10 scions, 4 commisars, 10 scouts, Lysander, a predator, a basilisk, 15 neophyte hybrids, 3 GSC HQs, 5 deathwatch veterans.
Typing this all out makes me realize I'm still in the woods.

>>54330033
I get that. I mean, don't CSM usually scratch/deface imperial iconography before usign them? carving off eagles, etc.

>>54330061
Figure it would depend on how recently it was procured. If grabbed like on that say that planet, no time, too busy fighting. If it's had time to go through their armory then yes.

>>54329627
Tankbustas will absolutely shit on any armour in the game

I run 20 tankbustas in 2 trukks, and so far theyve one-shot

>land raider
>sicaran
>monolith
>leviathan
>almost killed a knight in one turn

Theyre fucking disgusting

>>54330019
>Also, you can spend a Command Point to do as much as well. Just putting that out there.
You actually can't command point re-roll if you have already re-rolled. You can only re-roll a dice a single time, no matter how many sources of re-roll you have.

>>54330088
Is the current tankbuster box a bunch of metal minis? If so, I'm holding out hope for plastics, or I'll just keep gluing rokkits and other explosives to regular boyz to make my tankbuster mob.

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>>54330088
All with RAWKET LAUNCHAs? Or something else?

>>54328758
11 minis plus chapter icongraphy for my primaris

>>54329951
so do our wallets. Its a hobby.

>>54330115

I know. Only one reroll and second result usually stands unless it's a roll two and drop/pick.

Just pointing out that there's an alternative for rerolls without a dedicated support unit, but it's going to need Command Point fuel to keep it going rather than be free.

>>54330009
>>54330033
>>54330061
>>54330083

hehe, yeah I had forgot to file it off so I decided to keep it and I just put slime all over it, though you cant really tell in the photo because I can't into photography

>>54330088

How the fuck do you kill a land raider with 20 tankbustas in one turn?

what superglue is good for gluing plastic to rocks, is gorrila glue good enough?

>>54330201
Why are you glueing rocks to plastic anon?

>>54330220
cuz it looks cool

>>54330201
It should be fine. Normally I just use regular super glue and very flat rocks.

>>54330189
14 rokkits hit after rerolls, 8 wounded, he failed 6 saves. 18 damage

>>54330201
I use PVA

>>54329397
God, what they do to you, Succubus-chan?

She wasn't even that incredible, just damn good in melee las 'dex, but the Glaive got nerfed so unnecessarily. I know PfP nets you good stuff to balance it, but still. Just ain't right.

It ain't fair.

t. not-even a Dark Eldar player, just melee enthusiast.

>>54330117
>gluing rokkits and other explosives to regular boyz to make my tankbuster mob
This is literally what everyone does

>>54329407
Altar of War styled games need a serious push.

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anyone heard when these are going to be released?

I know they will be japan-only, but I'd be willing to pay a premium over ebay for these.

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>mfw eldar have been dethroned and orks are the new king

is this the best time line?

>>54330237
>>54330245
thanks i tried it on a single intcessor if it works ill do it on my tech priest dominus and the rest of the primaris as well

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Would 2x Gangs of Commoragh and Start Collecting box be a good start to dark elder? I'm looking for an army that isn't just fucking marines

>>54330244

Oh, so you just got really lucky.

>>54330274
Gangs seems a bit too specialized. Reavers and Hellions - specialized.

If you want a good DE base, the SC is great. You're going to need a few Raider/Raider-equivs. And Kabalites.

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>>54330264
The website still says "coming soon" so probably next year

>this superior Japanese Space Marine can cut clean through ceramite because it is folded over a thousand times, and is vastly superior to any other Space Marine on Terra.

>>54330274
Maybe 2x Sc, and no Gangs.

>>54330264
Check out mandarake when they drop.

>>54330264
>>54330323
>>54330337
is 40k even popular in japan?

>>54328758
i've got a fuckload of dark eldar to work on, but both my nurgle and admech armies are pretty much done.

>>54330311
A little bit lucky I'd say.

If even 3-4 of the 22 rokkits they fire (rokkits on he trukk too) make it past the armour save its still doing 9-12 damage

>>54330274
You should get some marines.

>>54330045
mhm. so what i'm seeing is the guard autocannon is a pretty good all rounder for HWT's

grenade launcher specials are decent at just about anything, and flamers are surprisingly alright at most things through weight of fire. not as optimal as plasma, but good enough to not feel like shit.

>>54330117
>Is the current tankbuster box a bunch of metal minis?

No its plastic, its not worth getting too many as you get a rock pistol, nob, and tank hamma per 5 man box.

Once you have those + the bomb squigs you want just use boyz with rokkits.

>>54330354

The average damage they do to a landraider is 8.333 wounds.
Since you did more than double that, that is really lucky.

>>54330408
>Out of a possible 60 fucking damage, 8.33 is the average

jesus christ ork shooting is fucking garbage

>>54330427
Ork BS being low means they have a much higher spread than everyone else to get the same average,

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>>54330427
If you wanted shooting you would have gone IG.

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Are these the right bases for these models? Guy from the area forgot to give me the bases for the lord and the drone, but I'm not sure if I'm still missing either the drone or the lord.

Does it really matter if the bases are wrong anyway?

>>54330427

Orks are a melee race

>>54330427
Aimin's fer grotz!

>>54330427
That's why you bring more orks. And Tankbusters get a reroll to hit on vehicles, so they tend to get the job done better than most.

>>54330454
>Does it really matter if the bases are wrong anyway?
Yes.

Memes aside, I'm really fucking enjoying 8th a hell of a lot

>>54330486
Same. I'm actually painting and thinking about buying more minis, something I haven't really done since 5th ed.

>>54330454
50mm(Hive Guard, new Crisis Suits) for the Lord of Contagion and 60mm(Dreadnought) for the Drone.

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Does my opponent have to know which Rhino/Razorback/Chimera/Taurox has the melta squad and which as the cheap squad ?
Pic related-ish but not from me.

>>54330506
Yes. You must declare the contents of all transports and your reserve.

>>54330506
No.

Anyone actually doing narrative play? I used to make up scenarios with my buddies all the time during the 2nd ed days, like two armies fighting in the middle of a Tyranid infested area or involved rescue missions. But my opponent most of the time these days is more of an acquaintance than a close friend, so I don't know how much he'd be up for that kinda thing (beyond the stuff already in the rulebook). I'm mostly curious if anyone does stuff like that these days.

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>>54330527
>actually doing narrative play

>>54330527

I'd like to, but me and my buddies are all pretty new to the game, so we don't really know how to do that sort of thing.

>>54330560
Understandable. My buddies and I all had months of playtime and pretty established armies before we started trying stuff like that. Maybe you'll get some narrative stuff going in the future.

Thoughts on the Ultramarine Chapter Tactics? Seems kinda weird that we're now back to the 'better at falling back' thing, when doctrines nailed the character of the smurfs to a T.

Mortal Wounds need some reworking.

>>54330580
In what sense? Mechanically or availability?

>>54330274
In my opinion, Reavers are garbage and Hellions are only marginally better. So while it's a good deal, you're getting a good deal on garbage. Start collecting is a good start, then buy some kabalite skysplinter sets

>>54330504
I'll just tear off a base from an old killa khan I'm not using.

Guess that big one is for the lord and I just got an extra terminator base.

>>54330588
Availability, reduced availability.

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>>54330543
>Actually playing any Game/Videogame/Sports in casual for fun with your family & friends instead of Ranked/Tournament to crush their hope

>>54330594
Not a lot of stuff can give mortal wounds in large amounts. Need to get a lot of sixes or you drop bombs on shit.

>>54330612
Or Smite spam

>>54330506
No. Anybody who say yes will not be able to prove it from the rulebook

>>54330612
I feel like Invul saves should be allowed against them, but maybe at a flat 6+.

>>54330594
Explain the problem. I see mostly a small, but vocal, group against how mortal wounds work now, so I'm curious why.

>>54330616
only nurgle can resist them

>>54330594
maybe it's my armies (chaos marines, daemons and eldar) but they don't seem that wide spread

>>54330616
after the unkillable deathstars and characters of 7th i feel like everything should be vulnerable

>>54330614
Only psykers can cast it once, plus it's locked behind a test they can fail, be denied, or kill themselves with perils.

>>54328249
>3AM
>Need to get 12 termagants, 3 hive guard and a tyranid prime painted and based by 11AM
>Then need to walk 3 miles to local GW at 85-90 degree weather

Send me your energy /tg/

>>54330628
>after the unkillable deathstars and characters of 7th i feel like everything should be vulnerable

Most shouldn't transfer, yeah. Maybe SOB Shield of Faith, since mortal wounds are 90% dealt by psyker powers rather than the half assed 'Can sorta maybe not really deny powers'

>>54330614
Sell me on how possible this is. In a 2000 pt army what is the largest amount of psykers someone could field? Counting in a way for them to get within 18" of an important, isolated unit (since they must target the closest), and mathhammering all the failed tests and perils of the warp they might deal with.

>>54329071
Get the clippers/hobby knife ready

>>54330647
You can do it!

>>54330651
Or...
You understand its just a situational shit from IG/SM/Eldar and you should just field vultures/stormraven/Hemlock omstead and actually win games

>>54330651
I think up to twenty? I believe 2k points allows for 4 detachments, so you can take 4 supreme command detachments for max 5 hq's (that's assuming your pyskers are hq's).

>>54330677
There are non psyker HQ's, though the most spammable only cast smite on a d6.

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>>54330647

>>54330615
"When you set up a transport, units can start the battle embarked within it instead of being set up separately – declare what units are
embarked inside the transport when you set it up." Pg 183 of the rulebook. So yeah, you're wrong.

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>>54330117
>or I'll just keep gluing rokkits and other explosives to regular boyz to make my tankbuster mob.

Worked well enough for me.

>>54330735
DAAAAYUM!

>2017
>still no 40k anime starring Sisters, Marines and Eldar vs Orks.

>>54330651
1976 points
Vanguard Detachment:
1x Broodlord
6x Zoanthropes 4 Models

Vanguard Detachment:
1x Broodlord
2x Zoanthropes 4 Models
3x Venomthropes 4 models

>>54330758
I'd be curious to see how viable that would be. You'd get a lot of mortal wounds in early, but I assume the enemy would soon drown it out with just normal damage.

>>54330117
>>54330401

It's resin, they even said it's resin on the store page.

>>54330806

What's the range like on the Zoanthrope's zapping? I haven't seen too many psykers with actually long range powers.

>>54330806
I'll play that list in tabletop simulator some time this weekend and tell you what happens. I figure it might work.

>>54330816
Same as regular smite, it just gets an extra D3 at 4 or more models.

>>54330816
Well, since we were talking about Smite, it's just 18". The nids would probably need first turn, and then have to hope most of the enemy is deployed right on the edge of the deployment zone. If they get that early hit though, they'd wipe out a lot of the enemy.

>>54330758
8 units with smite with +d3 mortal wounds and 1 broodlords with regular smite? Everything is going to be fearless with -1 to hit and zoanthropes have 3+ invulnerable saves?

Might fucking work.

>>54330819
I am sincerely curious to see how it works out. It really feels like an all or nothing list that would either win or lose very quickly.

>>54330831

Right, I was wondering if they got extra range or something.

As I could see my SOB just devouring that list alive with Exorcists and Dominions and SOB are not exactly going to win prizes for best army. It just seems like it's got too few wounds to really hang on, even with the 3+ inv saves.

Mind you, I could be entirely wrong. I've only played a few 8e games so far.

>>54330836
It's really not that resilient and anything that can soak mortal wounds will run it over.

>>54330648

The deny works against smites. Sort of. And that's really all it's needed for. It's not like we could deny anything worth a dam in 7th anyway .

>>54330401
>No its plastic, its not worth getting too many as you get a rock pistol, nob, and tank hamma per 5 man box.
It's Finecast

>Once you have those + the bomb squigs you want just use boyz with rokkits.
Kitbashing the whole lot is easier. Put rockets on the tips of sluggas for Rokkit pistols, add a rocket to a choppa for a rokkit hammer, and strap grenades and melta bombs to squigs for bomb squigs.

>>54330855

>Sort of

Well, if they roll a 5 exactly AND we roll a 6. Very sort of. They really didn't think the mechanics of that rule through too well.

I wonder if full on denial would have made SOB too good (I imagine not but still).

>>54330846
No extra range, the army could be outmaneuvered, and deny the witch test could slow them down (but they've be throwing a LOT of Smites out, so most armies wouldn't be able to deny it all). Even with taking a few perils of the warp a turn, they'd deal some real damage if they can close the distance.

>>54330875
>>54330855
Maybe they'll get a minor bonus in the codex. Even a d6+2 would allow them to deny a lot more stuff.

>>54330886
if that was one of the Order's rules that would be pretty legit. We'll see what we get when the time comes.

>>54330886
A penalty to the test would work better imo.

>>54330886

The houserule that is going around at my store is:

>Most Stuff: d6+2
>Seraphim/Celestians: d6+3
>HQ: d6+4

But that's rather fiddly.

>>54330896

Handing out a -1 to psykers within 24" would be a nice, simple way of doing it without adding extra rolling.

>>54330909
Basically a non stacking non aura version of the SoS ability.

>>54330894

I do really hope that IG/SOB/Mechanicus get stuff per group like marines do. That would be really nice to see, even if they are copy-pasted from some marine ones. The Ultramarine one would be a SOB wet dream.

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Gold trim trally is a bitch and a half to do. Should have listen to Duncan.

>>54330917

Oh yeah, non-stacking is important. SOB are a lot more plentiful than SoS after all.

>>54330923
Guilliman leads Ultramarines successor chapter <BLOOD ANGELS> to victory

>>54328758

>2 drop pods
>1 crisis suit
>1 riptide
>2 dark imperium boxes
> 1 helbrute

Not bad

>>54330947
He's supreme leader, he don't give no shits.

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>>54330947
I - I just really want a Primarch as centrepiece for my army k ?

>>54330947
He's just that good.

>>54330962
Understandable.

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>tfw just bought Bobby and a fully kitted Leviathan for 40 buger bucks
suck me gw

>>54329646
You're going to have to sculpt their bits.

Greenstuffing some plating over the abdomen should be easy, and making the hood of the head should be rather simple just by carving up a piece of plasticard tubing and bending it until it's in proper shape. Then you just sculpt in the eye-lens.

>>54330947
I thought grillman could only be used in ultramarine armies legally?

>>54330920

Well we have reason to believe that they will. What with the (Order) (Forgeworld) buisiness. I mean look at the flying dwarves in AoS, they have what are essentially chapter tactics with several presets and then a table for making your own custom one, which is what i think they will do with each faction in 40k from here out. At least i really really hope they will, because that would make the game a hundred times better.

>>54330994
He can be in any army of the Imperium.

>>54330994
Depends on game type

>>54330998

That would be very nice. I don't care if they overlap with each other a decent bit in the process.

>>54330994

He can be in any army, but only the ultramarines benefit from all of his powers and whatnot.

>>54331004
>>54331005
>>54331021
So can I put him with my Deathwatch?
What's the benefit?

>>54331030
He's a beatstick with good auras and gives CP.

>>54329572
nope, AOS this week ! Codex next week ?

>>54331038
CP? Disgusting...

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>>54328758
My FLGS tried to order Kaldor Draigo for me and was told it"d be 2-3 weeks. So currently my backlog is empty.
After Draigo I'm shooting for 10 interceptors, a Mark IV Dreadnought, a Vindicare, and maybe a Storm Raven, maybe another Dreadknight too (not necessarily in this order). I'd also like to put together a Champion, but they don't sell a model for it yet.
On that note, does anyone know a place I can reliably get bits from various kits? I wanted to do my champion kinda like pic related but the only place I've found that does individual bits (gitzbitz I believe it was called) is out of most of what I was looking at.

>>54329589
I just run mine as hellblasters. Intercessors are hilarious vs T3 hordes though.

>>54331047
Anything goes in the new and improved Imperium.

>>54331038

Basically his auras wouldn't do to much for you, cause if i remember correctly all of it works with ultramarines exclusively, so he'd pretty much just be a big beat stick/fire magnet.

>>54330119
Metal Slug baby ! i need ton find my emulator back now, thanks !

>>54331076
He has an IMPERIUM aura as well as an ULTRAMARINES one.

Are the new Primaris HQs and easy builds in shops today? I need a different looking guy to be a sarge in my third squad of Intercessors

Are any other Primaris players also concerned at the 300 point troop tax for a Battalion Detachment? Seems like most of their firepower is going to be in the dreads and transports, and with the Di set + a squad of Intercessors, that's already like ~1100 points or something.

I can't see how anything is going to fit without either footslogging elements, or having 3 units on the board with transports and dropping other goodies just to pay for them

Are there any other currently living primarchs than rowboat? Are we likely to see another soon?

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>tfw new FLGS opens just down the road from me
>tfw excited to visit, meet the owner, get involved in 40k games nights, etc
>tfw the only GW game they stock and host games of is Bloodbowl

>>54331099

Hint primarch of the Geath Duard

>>54328758
72 aos models
22 in progress dark angels
40 or so more dark angels to strip and repaint
about 20 other misc models
also a bunch of old tanks and dozens of old models I could strip and repaint

>>54331099
Magnus is still around, Mortarion is coming soon. Or did you mean just loyalist ones?

>>54331113
Yeah I meant loyalist. Not twisted demon scum.

>>54331117
Like half of them are MIA for 10k years so who knows
The gay one has been sleeping in the gay bar for 10k years on the otherhand

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>>54330923

I will go with the classical colors and hope for the best.

>>54329960
genestealers are fucking stupid

What is good arty now for IG?

>Basilisks
look like they are better anti-tank now than infantry.
>Wyverns
4d6 is pretty great, but S4 and AP0 worries me.
>Manticore
I am thinking this is where its at for IG, the bar I am setting from here on out.
>Colossus Bombard
Pretty much the same as Manticore, but more than 4 shots
>Griffon
Im not sure if this would be better or worse than the colossus, increase in hits makes me think it would be better though.

As an aside, have the rules for missiles changed - a lot of them no longer have the "one use only" rule it seems but the rule book also doesn't seem to have a universal rule applying to missiles. Am I right in thinking that missiles such as the Valkyries Hellstrike missiles can be re-used every turn?

I'm about to go play my second game of 8th edition at hobby shop against my buddy, he's bringing space marines and I'm bringing orks

>>54331155
Yeah if it doesn't have one use only anymore, you're free to fire it every turn.

>>54331091

ok well then the imperium aura would be helpfull i suppose.

>>54331158

Hope you have a blast! I have only had the pleasure of one game so far, and it was more of a demo game for 8th. Can't wait to get stuck in again!

>>54331158
Give 'im Hell! Tell us how it goes.

>>54331155
>wyverns

eh, they didn't have ap before so no loss there (ap6 but who actually makes 6+ saves?)

>>54331168
Woah, fliers with multiple missiles seem crazy good now, so my thunderbolt can fire 2 x twin autocannons, a twin lascannon and 4 x missiles in a turn... every turn?

Freaking fantastic.

>>54331050
Bitzbarn is where I used to shop. Dunno if they're still in business

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>>54331179
>>54331182
we aren't doing points or any of that stuff, just deploying all we've got and going to slug it out with the new rules, I still have quite a bit of units to paint up and get together

>>54331188
The fact that the missiles don't say "one time use" is kinda insane. I wonder if the fact that you buy 4x missiles means they will FAQ "one time use" in.

Vehicles like the Thunderhawk don't have x number of missiles but instead have a missile battery which lends itself more to replenishing missiles.

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>>54330986
Here's a shitty photoshoop to illustrate what a Geth-Cron could potentially look like without all that much change.

Just need to sculpt the head, modify the feet and use greenstuff to combine the fingers (since Geth have 3 fingers in their hand) and add the antennae rod to the spine.

>tfw powerlelvels let me field my 60 Multi-Meltas

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Is a grey knight army with no grey knight-space marines and just termies viable in casual or more competetive games ?
Or how can they be made?

i just dont like the look of the space marine grey knights but love the termies

Haven´t played my eldar in ages. How are they doing in this edition? What are their best units now?

>>54331198
Just checked their website and it's still under construction, but the physical store still exists according to their Facebook page. Thanks for the tip

>>54331241
You can spam paladins. You'll get shredded by anti tank guns but other than you'll have a blast. Wait til the codex comes out and see if they change normal terminators before really going for it tho

>>54331241
Eh, for less sweaty games, yeah.
Vanguard detachment and spam the fuck outta Pallies with Draigo and probably Voldus, Stern ain't a bad call either.
Take 2 Storm Ravens and get ye them Doomglaive dreads.

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Kitbashed an Iron Priest together and before I go anywhere with the painting had a question.

Would a combi grav (with certain bits painted with a bright glowing blue) be a good substitute for a "combi-helfrost" of, that way I have a means of deploying the priest with either bolgun or helfrost pistol depending on if i have points to spare or not. I'd obviously declare what he's packing at the start of each game to my opponent.

Otherwise how does he look? Made him from a salvaged iron father I got off a friend, poor thing was in horrible shape and it took quite a bit of greenstuff to fix it up

>playing at a tourney
>get set up with another DA player
>both of us are fielding Sammael
Alright /tg/, "build the narrative" for this mess.

>>54331268
One of you is the Changeling

>>54331268
Warp travel shenanigans

>>54331268
The Warp hyuk

>>54331241
Terminators can be fielded as troop choices in GK armies, so you could run at least a couple detachments legally with just those and an HQ, the HQ would have to be GK to be rules legal but it's only one model.
Of course, if you're playing amongst friends you could just ask them if they're cool with you just fielding a bunch of Terminators with no HQ. Generally as long as your opponent agrees you can do whatever you like with your composition. It only really matters for tourneys and such.

>>54331261
I can dig it.
Looks like he's still a WiP, but a good start anon.

>>54331268

One is clearly an impostor, perhaps an agent of the fallen. Kill him and prove you are the real Sammael.

>>54331291
>GKTs
>over Pallies
Now wait just a goddamn minute. GKTs are no good anymore.

>>54331261

Pretty sweet, what did you make him out of?

>>54331224

That looks way cooler than vanillacrons

>>54331302
iron father for the base, cut out the bald head and drilled space to put in the techmarine head from one of the dark angels vehicle kits

Combi grav is from a sternguard set, the hammer arm was made from a chaos terminator lords sorcerer staff and the head is from the space wolves box set along with the skull on the chest and the knife on the left leg

>>54331299
He asked if they were legal, I'm not gonna tell him he can't field Terminators just because paladins are better in every way. That being said, >>54331241, this Anon is totally right. If you have the points, just field them as Paladins. They're much better, and only cost like 9 points extra per model.

What's the best use of 9 Tyranid Warriors?

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>>54330735
BTFO'D

>>54331188
That seems like an oversight as most missiles are now just grouped into a single weapon.

>>54331259
>>54331256
>>54331291
>>54331299
>>54331321
thanks for your insight i maybe just buy firstly just a box of termies and wait for codex and maybe there will be also some new-marines for them who may look good

and how good are they against armies who have few to no psykers or horde armys, in comparisson with them against deamons

>>54328249
Is Tzeentch a pony fag?

Gotta love how many Tau-fags are getting BTFO by 8th. We had a guy at our local who brought 3 tides to almost any match. His defense
>I just like the models
So now he keeps showing up without them and after a few 'subtle' digs his ass-pain was glorious to see.

>>54331344
there's no difference between termies and pallys kit wise it's the same box. so you can run them as either

>>54331268

Holo Battle Simulation: Sammael uses the Chapters Holotraining room to simulate a battle against himself to weed out any imperfections or weaknesses in his strategy and tactics.

>>54331363
are they usualy modeled different (not just the weapons but the insignias purity seals and other decorational stuff)

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>>54331269
>>54331272
>>54331276
>>54331294
>>54331365
Behold: the battle of the ravenwing

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>>54331395
Sammael Vs Dark Sammael.

>you can take Soulreaper canon if your Rubric squad is less than ten man strong

Holy shit, is this true? That would be amazing.

>>54329938
Nope, everything is moving up. Even Thousand Sons were up scaled too.

http://pro.bols.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/dg-comp2-768x446.jpg

http://pro.bols.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/dg-comp1-768x515.jpg

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>>54331344
Here is a really stupid 2000 point list.
You will be shitting out an UNGODLY amount of attacks due to the Pally banner and the Termie Banner.
Draigo for rerolls and Stern for the bonus Smite range, plus his Daemon fucking bomb.
That said, it's EXTREMELY gimmicky, but who cares at this point lol.

You could swap Stern for a generic BroCap too.

>>54331395
>playing a tourney with unpainted minis

>>54331395
Behold: Plastic and Primer

>>54331415
thanks alot

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>>54331395
>unpainted models

>>54331386
no. literally the same dudes

just with better stats

>>54331395
unpainted shit

>>54331415
>>54331426
Should note, Sacred Banners don't stack, but the Aura is 'models' within 6"
That might be out of the range of either banner depending.
And I wasn't sure what else to do with the points.

>>54331149
Why are you so mad

Stupid question here, but the captain in Gravis armour from DI seems pretty shit. How do I best use him? The lord of contagion fucks him deep, so that's a no-no

>>54331386
>>54331431
Also, you'll likely need to convert 2 psycannons if you wanna run 4x in a 10 pally squad (protip, you do) since the termie boxes only come with one apiece.

>>54331447
Park him in front of some Hellblasters. Let him soak.

>>54331456
T5 +3 won't do much soaking up of anything. There has to be a better use for him. He's decent on the charge Vs Plague Marines, but he gets swamped by Pox Walkers and literally any other unit that numbers more than 15, regardless of faction in my personal experience. And the BoltStorm Gauntlet is garbage compared to something like Dorns Arrow.

>>54331450
just get some greenstuff and make a press mold

>>54331467
>Sv 3+
Anon...I

>>54331477
??

>>54331477
The fuck are you on about

>>54331477
Gravis is a T+1 Sv+3 armour. It isn't terminator plate.

>>54331395
half of them are actually Raven Guard in disguise.
Wanting to find out who ravens the best raven out of both ravens.

>>54330647
>5:30
Hive guard based and tabletop quality, prime 50% done, gants 75% done

>>54331386
Paladins typically use the pointy helmets and book insignas

>>54331415
Potentially 73 rerollable attacks in a Fight phase, I'd have to double check the coherency with the terminator bases, but holy fuck that's a lot of swings.

Are we expecting new GK models?

>>54331513
You could get more if you exchanged the Hammer and Halberd for Falchions.
>>54331522
New BroChamp would be nice, but no, I'm not holding out for anything.

>>54331505
I believe in you

So, the first week of the global campaign is themed towards Start Collecting boxes and Space Marines. Anyone know if that includes ALL space Marines aka CSM?

Picked up some Tartaros Termies. What's a good squad balance of weapons?

>>54331537
>Tartaros Termies
Eew

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>>54331522
You just got 1 already.

>>54331541
Not muh Grand-Master

>>54331540
Are you soft in the head?

Is GW coming out with new DEldar models soon or something? Ive been trying to get started on an army but half of the units + the start collecting box has been out of stock for weeks

>>54331541
Would it happen to be scaled differently from other termies? Everything seems the same style

>>54331522

A Deathwatch/Grey Knights primaris dual kit would be a really good idea.

>>54331550
EVERY faction's unit range has been riddled with 'sold out' since 8E hit
Dumb shits weren't prepared

Is Crowe worth considering against mobs now?

>>54331537

My favourite way to run Tartaros terminators is 10 in two combat squads: 5 with lightning claws, 5 with a Volkite and two heavy flamers.

>>54331575
>volkite

Have you seen the HORRENDOUS new stay line for it? They made it a heavy S5 weapon with no special rules. It's statistically worse than a stormbolter.

>>54331550
Rebox with 8th rule.

For any non-marine army, your best hope for new kit is to wait for at least 10-20 years.

Meanwhile Marinefag complaint they get new shit every fucking years.

Deathwatch terminators can take power lances and power axes. Which are the bitz for those?

Could you guys help a noob here? So how many points exactly a Thunderfire Cannon takes? I got into this at about the end of the 7th, and the new system confuses me a lot.

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>>54331395

>playing with unpainted models

>>54331595

Weird. No, I hadn't. It was a good way to get a terminator unit with three special weapons before, that all did the same job and were supported well enough by the shitty stormbolters.

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>>54331608
Every time I see an FAQ for a common sense solution, I think there can't possibly be people that dumb in enough volume to consider the question frequent. Then, I see posts like yours, and I die a little more inside.

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>>54331629

>Playing with painted models

>>54331608

You will find point values for everything in the indexes anon

>>54331404
To expand on this

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U5RUUSlmUQ

Might be cool.

Also

>putting your Magnus in range of fifteen S8 D6 6" weapons

Yare yare daze. I like Changeling usage tho.

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I picked up the "Open War" deck earlier today and my first impression is decent after a game or two since it's fairly quick to start.

>randomly generate the battle using the deck
>deployment is one of 12
>objectives is one of 12
>twist ("bonus effect") one of 12

>if one army has a higher power rating then the lower gets one of six ruse cards (bonus positive)
>if one army is at least double they get one of six sudden death cards in addition (fulfill the specific objective to outright win the game)

Probably one of the few ways to play where a huge power difference is actually winnable on a semi-regular basis.

Are the new Primaris in the shop today?

>>54331639
I bet he's terrible at the game because he spent all his time painting instead of practicing.

>>54331631

Why they made the Assault 2 fun that did extra damage into a Heavy 2 vanilla S5 gun is beyond me. You're much better off taking the plasma blaster over the Volkite, that way you can get 2 HFlamers, Grenade Harness, and Plasma Blaster.

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>>54331639
>Playing with models

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>>54331680

>Playing

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>mfw deathwatch librarians cannot take storm shields while gk can

How effective is Veil of Time at getting Deep striking units into combat? It's no Warp Time, but it has to be something.

>>54331700

GK should get their SS removed from both Lib and Draigo TBQH pham

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Im thinking up the outline for a story where a smaller imperial ship is able to defeat a larger ship via ambush and ramming. I have it pretty well thought out in my head, I even know the classes and armaments of the ships- but I ran into one logical issue: How the fuck do rams work in 40k? Like really work?
Like smaller imperial ships have lances mounted on their ramming prows, and larger ships can have nova cannons. Surely a ship with a prow mounted nova cannon wouldn't ram, because that would destroy the precious ancient tech-see pic related. But even smaller vessels would destroy their prow mounted lances upon ramming.

Is there something Im missing, are these guns like receedable into the vessel for rams or do you just not ram with vessels that have prow mounted heavy weapons?

Getting back into 40k with this new edition of the rules and going to be playing my Old Elysians.

How does this look in terms of fun / competitiveness, 2 of my mates who play run 1: Space Marines & Orks and 2: Imperial Guard armoured company. The people who play at the local are fairly diverse, the only significant double up is a few playing CSM and SM.

Battalion & Vanguard detachments (so a total of 7 CP) and 2000pt limit / 100 PP

2 x tempestor primes, command rod
4 x 5 man scions, 2 plasma
4 x Taurox Prime, Battle cannon, 2 autocannons

2 x Company Commander, power sword
1 x Lord Commissar, power sword
2 x Special weapon teams, 3 breaching charges
2 x Sniper Squad

2 x Thunderbolts, 4 Hellstrike missiles

>>54331724
I guess it would just be up to the vessel's commander to decide if the benefits of a ramming manoeuvre would outweigh the loss of the cannon

>>54331722

We've already established this: The reason the Wulfen have so many storm shields is they stole them all from the Grey Knights.

>>54331714
Less than 50%

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Anyone have the Redemptor weapon stats from the twitch stream?

>>54331724
I'd go with retractable unless some anon comes up with anything that counteracts it.

>>54331575
I've only got one group of 5 for now. I was thinking Two with Lightning Claws, One with Heavy Flamer, One with the a Grenade Harness and the Sergeant with a Plasma Blaster. They'll mostly be used for an assault role, so I think that's a decent build. What do you think?

>>54331724

The melta weapons mounted in ramming vehicles don't jut out that far. See: Caestus Assault Ram, Mastodon, Kharybdis Assault Claw, standard boarding torpedoes, etc.

>>54331755

Grenade harness doesn't really do anything anymore, and you can take it on top of lightning claws anyhow.

>>54331760

They look cool and make your Terminators taller to keep up with them Primaris

>>54331747
>arm gat is heavy 18 HB
>mini gat is heavy 6 HB
>plasma cannon is just a normal one with +1str
>powerfist has Dam D6
>has a pair of strom bolters
>rocket pod is AA, autocannon, with D6 shots

>>54331760
Assault D6 AP1 is better than nothing. I didn't know it stacked with Lightning Claws though, that's nice.

>>54331762
Comparison pic nao

>>54331767
>>arm gat is heavy 18 HB
sorry heavy 12

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Does the Deathwatch sprue not allow for Veterans to just be holding Boltguns?
Looks to me that they can only be carrying their boltgun (which I have to say look pretty small) in their right hand and every left hand that's not part of a two-handed weapon or a shield is carrying a power sword

>>54331758
Im talking starships anon, like 3 mile long warp traveling vessels with hundreds of thousands of crewmen.