I give up. It seems every fucking game I try to run devolves

>>54317823
Nah, fucking do it. If your game is suited for the players then fantastic. Just make sure it is still a game and not just a snuff film. Make the game world a hellscape, monsters everywhere, and the players are the more humanoid monsters, really just stronfer than the average poor helpless human. Let them prey on the humans if they want, throw bigger terrible fucking monsters at them. Instead of questing for gold or doing kind deads make them hunt for weapons or souls in bottles or other assorted spooky knick knacks to trade or use for more power. A real slaughter and loot kind of game. If you do it right everyone may have a fantastic time. You get them invested in the story, they get to be blood soaked terrors.

>>54317914
This sounds like a better spin on things. I like it.

>>54317823
>every fucking game I try to run devolves into the players acting like "murderhobo

>Three different groups

There's a common denominator here and there thats you. What are you doing wrong that encourages a style of hack and slash play you don enjoy running?

>>54318705
Yup. If players are only really caring about the combat part of the game it seems like OP isn't making the other parts interesting enough to hold their attention.

Take stock of what incentives there are in your games.

Like the usual failure mode of 3.pf:
>running a dungeon crawl where every valuable item or story node is guarded by "balanced encounters"
>in a system where you only get new toys (levels) by slaughtering dozens and dozens of creatures.

Think about making challenges that can't be solved (well) with violence.

And consider embracing a bit of murderhoboism, because you're running an imaginary adventure game, and NPCs do not matter morally the way real people do.

>>54317823
Your players play along your shit, stop beeing a murder hobo anon.

>>54317823
It's on you to make the players care.

Op is a bad GM

>>54318864

Yup. I've met a lot of GMs who make entering combat the only way to advance but then bemoan when their players do so. Oftentimes by having the social order in the campaign world be organized against the PCs in a way that strains believability.

>>54318864
>every single rule, every ability and every class is all about combat
>hurr durr just dont do combat

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>>54317823
>I fully expect this to be a fucking train wreck right from the get go, but I want to do this out of morbid curiousity more than anything else. I want to invite the worst of the murderhobo offenders from my other games and say right to their faces "I think this is right up your alley." At the very least I want to have stories I can tell other people.

>>54318705
This.

>>54323419
That was my point.

Though I'd go farther and say it has more to do with incentives than mechanics.

Old school D&D had very few mechanics. No skill system. Pretty much everything was geared towards combat or looting dungeons. And yet the game incentivized skilled play, because charging into combat was an inferior way of getting cool treasure and advancing your character.

>>54318705
This. You're boring your players to death OP.

>>54317823
>I'll probably run it with Mutants & Masterminds
OSR is pretty solid for murder-hoboing.

>>54317914
Sounds like Dark Souls