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Legion Edition

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Anyone want to see more psychic powers?
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>>54311038
They're coming in the Codexes, patience.
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>>54311038
They were cancer but yes I do.
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>>54311038
8th has psykers?!
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>>54311038
At first I was salty that Thousand Sons didn't get their own psychic tree but Death Guard did. Then I saw how objectively terrible the Tzeentch daemon powers are and I'm now very happy they get to use the good/mediocre Heretic Astartes tree instead.
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>>54311038
I'd like to see psychic powers that cast on lower than a 7. Given that how weak most powers are compared to easily accessible auras for most armies I feel that they should get a massive power boost for being unreliable as fuck on top of being unique per army. Like, if aura's had to be cast on 2d6 against 7 and could be denied and were unique per army and couldn't be reattempted by a different dude it'd make sense. But no, entire armies get 4++ and Guide auras for pennies while casters have to beg for spells that are half as good and don't work half the time.
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Anything I'm missing here?
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With the Dark Eldar Court of the Archon am I able to take multipes of one type? 4 ssylths or 4 medusae, that kind of thing
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>>54311121
>I'd like to see psychic powers that cast on lower than a 7.
>laughingtyranids.gif
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>>54311010
much better than the mediocre simpsons one
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>>54311117
No, but it has very expensive smite dispensers.
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>full codexes are coming out

then what the heck is the point of the indexes

t. new guy thinking about getting into 40k but I don't understand this. there's an index and a codex? why? which one actually has the rules for the army you want to play?
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>>54311136
yes, but only a combined total of 4 models before they start taking up slots.
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>>54311124
>2001 points
how long does it take you to make these +1 point over lists?
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>>54311038
Yes and no. I hope GW can add codex specific rules without breaking the game again.
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>>54311117
psykers in 8th don't do broken shit like invisibility, but they are still very good. I wouldn't leave home without some unless you enjoying your elites being obliterated by smites.
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>>54311121
Speaking from eldar, conceal is on 6.
And the runes of fate ones are cast by Farseers who can reroll any number of dice one of their powers, so getting 7s is pretty damn reliable.

and Guide lets you hit a unit 24" away, which is alot easier to do than keeping units within 6".
Getting more than 2 units within 6" isn't that easy if you are actually moving your models and play a lot of terrain.
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>>54311151

They do what GW told everyone they would do.
Be a stopgap so that everyone can play day 1

>>54311161
>I hope GW can add codex specific rules without breaking the game again.
ehehehe
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>>54311151
the indexes are a stop-gap so everyone can play right away

the codexes will have more detailed rules and stuff like relics
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>>54311151
8th ed completely redid the rules so the old codices were completely incompatible, so the indices were intended as a hold over.
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>>54311124
yeah. an actual computer to type your list on.
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>>54311151
Indexes are the temporary stripped down rules to catch every army up to 8th edition from launch day because 8th changed so much it is not backwards compatible with older codexes.

Codexes are the real rules and will be replacing the rules in the indexes one army at a time over the next couple years.

You use the index until your army's codex comes out, then you use the newer updated rules in the Codex, which will also change points costs as they continue to balance things.
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>>54311151
The indexes are there because 7th edition rules are 100% incompatible with 8th edition. Without them nobody would have been able to play the new edition, because right now nothing has a codex yet. Indexes serve the purpose of stop-gap solution untill every army has its own codex once again, which will take at least a year, probably more.
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Are Wulfen really that bad now?
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>>54311151
indexes have basic rules for each army, so that everybody is able to play immediately with the launch of 8th edition. Codexes have more in depth shit for your army, so once the codex for your army comes out, you won't need the index anymore. But, while the first codex is coming soon, they aren't all coming out at the same time. GW needs to finish them up, it will be at least a year, maybe more until they are all out.
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>>54311156
Perfect, thanks anon
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>>54311207
They're not bad, they're just not broken anymore.
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Do girls play at your store?
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>>54311207
>>54311218
Why does every scrub on /tg/ think everything must be either OP or trash in some autistic binary without any in-between???
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>>54311223
>Here comes the shitstorm again ...
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>>54311137
Not saying there aren't powers that are easy to cast, I'm just arguing that the downside of psychic powers doesn't justify most of their costs and unreliability this edition.

Back in 5th you rolled against Ld. That made powers reliable when most casters had 9/10. This edition about 2/3rds of the spells in the game fail 43%+ of the time and the effects of most spells don't account for that. Like take the classic guide. 7+ so works 57% of the time. Okay you get rerolls to hit half the time on one unit of your choice. Or you get a chapter master who gives 1+ units rerolls to hit 100% of the time or better you'd assume the CM costs like 300 points based on the cost of a farseer but instead they're dirt cheap and good at more than just buffing shit to boot.
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>>54311223
Yes, they play nids and they only come in with their husband.
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>>54311207
They still hit like a wrecking ball, have 3++ and can use drop pods, they become very pricey like everything else but they'll still melt everything they touch.
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>>54311038
>more
I missed the first ones, post them all
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>want to buy grey knights
>but they're manlets now
ugh suffering

>>54311223

>bikespam
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>>54311234
A lot of powers do things that cannot be done any other way. They offer unique buff and debuff tools and are all very useful, and you choose which ones you take at the start of the battle so you'll never be stuck with a dud power, they can be tailored to your opponents list.

The 8e psychic phase is probably my favorite one so far.
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>>54311228
Because most them were tau players and since they are no longer godly powerful they are looking for the next broken that will allow to autowin without thinking too much
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>>54311223
I'm the male only player and constantly get bullied because I play orks and they play wraith bikes eldars.
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>>54311169
But that's the thing. You don't need 2+ units in range. just having 1 in range makes the effect better because it's automatic. Getting the benefit to 2+ units is just icing on the cake.
Your seer is going to be on escort duty for the squad he's buffing anyways so keeping in range with an aura is easy.

Runes of fate is a special ability unique to farseers and still doesn't guarantee powers go off. It also doesn't do squat for a Herald of Nurgle or any other casters.
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>>54311234
you keep talking about guide and farseers.
Farseers reroll one die per psykic phase. You get off your powers reliably.

They are totally worth their points.
Conceal is amazing even at 6+, and I've had pretty good success using enhance drain even with it at 7+. Warlocks cost 30 pts.
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>>54311223
Yep. Chaos player. She's damn good.
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Is an all deathwing army viable?

As in nothing but terminators, knights, belial, a librarian and maybe a champion/ancient/apothecary
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>>54311302
Also they are all 300lbs
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>>54311306
listen to all the people who are actually playing the game with psykers.
Psykers are plenty strong this edition. The majority of support psykers see use, and are considered very powerful.
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>>54311223
I saw one girl who played at the store prior to me bringing my two girlfriends into the hobby

So I guess that brings us up to 3 now
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>>54311223
A large woman, mother of four, is one of the people who run the club

She plays nids/genestealer cult and high elves
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>>54311306
If all you want is the hit buff, take an autarch.
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>>54311314
Practically everything is viable now that everything can wound everything.
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>>54311355
That's not even remotely true.

Wound rolls are a tiny slice of what makes things viable in this game.
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>>54311373
Killed a dreadnought with Lasguns. Just saying.
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Rawbutt Chiliman
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>>54311223
Yep. A couple actually. Also, fuck that board and it's die-cocking gutters!
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>>54311378
Which has nothing to do with what I was just talking about.
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Hello friends, rules question

In the core rulebook on the movement part it says when reinforcements come into the battlefield *however they come in" counts as their movement and they can not move or advance. However the Swarmlord's Hive Commander ability allows a unit to move as if it were the movement phase.

Can the Swarmlord come out of reserve (or any tyranid unit) and use hive commander to get an easier charge? I know Warptime can, and it's worded the same as Hive Commander.
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>>54311046
What army were you playing? Because in a typical 2k GK list + Knight, I'm averaging no more than 20 models. They seem great, but so did Dreadknights in 7th, but mine rarely ever lived past turn 3 and quite literally NEVER made their points back in all but 1 of the games I played in 7th.
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>>54311378
Being able to do a wound or two doesn't mean lasguns are viable anti-tank weapons. There's a lot more viable now that there was, but it's not because "everything can wound everything".
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>>54311390
But everything to do with what I was saying.
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>>54311408
Yes. This is a combo people have been doing and talking about from day 1.

It's a little overrated though.
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What sort of stereotypes/traits have you seen per faction? In real life of course, not forum shit.

Space Marines genuinely seem normy-est and functional adults, but draws some spastic meme shitters. Yiffs can be annoying in particular.
SoBs touch their models at night I'm pretty sure
Orks are cool, until they also get carried away with memes-especially when they try to hold conversations in "orkish"
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>>54311437
Black Templars hate GW with a zealot's passion for not giving them a codex
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>>54311432
It's not proof of anything. Viability is much more broad a discussion than "can this unit wound everything on the game on 6's"
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>>54311435
Yeah my friends argue whether its legal I don't really care (I actually agree with the Tyranid player, the Tau player objects though) I just get tired of genestealers being so damn points effective.
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>>54311117
hello warlocks for 37 points?
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>>54311437
I own the Ryan Diaz daemonettes and I do touch my models at night.
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>>54311408

yes, it can even use it on itself.

although the swarmlord does not have an innate reserve ability, so i assume you're talking about a narrative scenario with reserves
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>>54311442
Well duh. But the question was, "is this viable?" to which the answer is yes, technically everything is viable. Stop being autistic and spudding out over specifics.
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>>54311426
That's my problem too, I ran a melee knight and a dakka knight in my most recent game vs nidzilla. Melee knight krumped two carnifexes then just barely failed to kill the swarmlord in melee before dieing.

The Dakka knight killed 2 Mawlocs and got one shot by Old One Eye on the charge (left with 1 wound.) I feel like shelving my Imperial Knights due to this.

Had another game where turn 1 shooting I took a knight to 10 wounds with just 2 twin lascannons.
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>>54311437
Chaos players are the most insufferable overall IRL.

The Tau guys I've met haven't been as bad as the internet makes them out to be but I'm sure the shitters exist somewhere.

Ork and IG players really do seem to be the most bro.

Tyranids really do attract the most females.

Regardless of stereotypes every army has its assholes and its chill guys (or girls).
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If the Lieutenants and Captains give re-rolls, does it apply to themselves?
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>>54311445

nothing stops a unit from moving more than once on a turn. they just need the correct abilities (like this one) that actually allow it to do so
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>>54311469
Everything being able to wound everything does not make everything technically viable.
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>>54311460
Came out of the tyranid drop pod. The thing that looks like a testicle.
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>>54311485
All auras apply to the model the projects them as long as they fit the criteria of the buff.
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>>54311010
So, after looking around a bit, is it just me, or does a Cannoness do a better job of being a Inquisitor, than the actual fucking inquisitor?

Cannonesses have better WS and BS, along with Power Armor, and a Invuln save of +4, along with being cheaper at 45 pnts base compared to a Inquisitor, who is 55 pnts, has worse BS, WS and Saves?

The Inq. Has a larger variety of weaponry, that is true. He can also Deny the Witch more effectively, and has access to Psychic powers. However, the Cannoness has Acts of Faith, which allow her to out perform the Inq. in move speed, damage output, and survival.

This isn't mentioning the fact that Cannonesses also out perform Space Marine Captains as well, but what ever.
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>>54311445
>tau player trying to cheat against melee race now that the game is properly balanced
Never stops being glorious
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>>54311485
Read the fucking rulebook, christ.
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>>54311485
Yes
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>>54311302
bring thousands of boyz a painboy a big mek and a warboss and watch them lose to gender superiority.
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>>54311483
Even as an IG player I find other IG players a mixed bag. They're either way to personally invested in their army to the point of autism or they're pretty bro.
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>>54311492
Literally, factually untrue. Do you even know what the word viable actually means? It sounds like you don't.
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>>54311485
I kind of wish it didn't for the following scenario
>3 turns of rerolling 1s as the captain inspires his men to remember their training
>Suddenly, the captain rolls a 1.
>reroll it sir, just as you've inspired us too!
>I...I don't know how

>His aura of inspiration fades and the firing line breaks as his men realize their Captain is incompetent
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>>54311515
>green fungus monsters that asexually reproduce via spores
>gender
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>>54311528
It sounds like YOU don't.
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>>54311543
>boyz
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>>54311494

Ah, i see. I dont play nids, but i have the book here beside me. Yes that works and is legal to do- just get the ranges right and it works just fine.

Tyranids are all about moving fast unexpectedly- why would someone bitch about their flavor?
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>>54311545
Viable: capable of working successfully; feasible.

Guess what. >>54311378
Sounds fucking feasible to me. Sounds like it worked fucking successfully to me. Sounds like it's fucking capable of working again.
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>>54311426
I was playing a chaos daemons list. Chaos daemons are admittedly lacking in good AT choices this edition without splashing into CSM.

You're probably right about knights not having a lot of synergy with GK due to low model count but I know for a fact that they'll work well with whatever you end up buying to support them.

In general since a lot of people are talking up horde armies Knights might be better placed in the meta. More Hordes means more people taking a flamer over more melta. Less melta/AT means more opportunities for superheavies to shine.

People can only tune for one extreme at a time. If they try to do both they'll usually struggle against focused lists.
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>>54311543
Tau Titan from a ... something-fish?

That's actually pretty cool
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>>54311528
Do you?
vi·a·ble
ˈvīəb(ə)l/
adjective
adjective: viable

capable of working successfully; feasible

Everything being able to wound anything does not make every list capable of working successfully.
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>>54311483

Yeah, you tend to have the mixed bags. Each factions has its own unique rotters.
Guard for example, muh HFY-ers and the people weirdly attached to Nazism and similar ideologies and aren't even subtle
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>>54311547
They gotta call themselves something, and xirs is retarded.
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>>54311509
95% of rules questions is retards who can't read I think.
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>>54311564
Who said anything about it working successfully? I just said that it CAN work. Not that it will.
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>>54311561
Killing a dreadnought doesn't make a list competitively viable. You're a fucking moron.
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>>54311563
i think it's supposed to be an anger pooch from that robot video game.
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>>54311580
Capable of working successfully is literally the definition of the word viable.
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>>54311583
Again >>54311580
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>>54311508
I can see his frustration, getting the swarmlord a turn 1 charge is frustrating as Tau with their poopy melee. The Tau guy is pretty cool, he just mis interpreted the rules.

>>54311555
Less that more of a rules misinterpretation.
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>>54311504
Also, I'm not even gonna touch upon how nerfed Jokaero got, now that they can only affect Ordos units, rather than any unit they are with. Meanwhile, Daemon hosts can fly 12", and than barf out Mortal wounds.
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Has anyone here ever just started losing it for the hobby? After 12 years the joy just isn't here anymore and it feels more like an obligation than a hobby
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>>54311223
I'd say there are about 6 girls. Most are girlfriends/wives of other players and they paint and occasionally play. At another store nearby there's a girl who comes to paint a lot and they have a girl employee who is really cool and plays well.

We do have one girl who comes in frequently though. She plays unconventional Imperium 2 lists. Every time I play her I feel like I'm learning about some new unit, but she is generally pretty decent and fun to play against. She loses about as much as she wins, but her losses always seem extremely close. Every time I come in I feel like there's a crowd around her games as she makes dramatic rolls near the end of the game. Last time I was there she was grabbing near by people to roll for her because her dice rolls were hot garbage. The best was when she got a little boy to roll for her. He had no idea what was happening, but when she threw her arms up in joy after good rolls, he did too.

There was another Dark Eldar girl that was smoking, but she moved away sadly. I still miss her. She was crazy, but funny, smelled amazing and had perfect boobs that always seemed to be trying so hard to get out of her shirts. She wasn't a strong player, but if you brought some more goofy or fun lists, the games ended up being pretty even. She did really cute and dorky dances every time something went in her favor. It sounds kind of cringy, but it's much less so when you realize her boobs were going all over.
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>>54311608
He should invest in early warning override.
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>>54311608
>getting the swarmlord a turn 1 charge is frustrating as Tau with their poopy melee
Just screen your important units and Fall Back and shoot next turn.

T'au have so much flying shit they're one of the last who should be bitching about getting charged from Deep Strike.
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>>54311572
ok
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>>54311620
Move on to a different game, system or hobby
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>>54311612
Couldn't you only take Jokaero in inquisitor units anyway?
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Do y'all mix tartaros squads or go shooty/claws excluslviey
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>>54311620
take a break then.
You'll overdoing it, can happen with anything. Take a break.
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>>54311624
Trust me he does, I play Grey Knights and with the Tyranids he gets plenty of free shooting.
>>54311625
I think he's still adapting but he generally has decent screens in the way.
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>>54311010
Fairly new here. If I wanted to make my own chapter, what mini am I able to use for my Chapter Master? Does it depend on the ruleset I use or do I just like, make my own? Help? I'm kinda lost
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>>54311635
I personally go dedicated.
It's nice to be able to multi-task, but being able to point at something and say "you're gonna die" is better. IMO.
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>>54311659
Captains, pretty much. Or counts-as another Chapter as yours.
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>>54311608

Until the Enclaves gear comes out in which case he can finally charge in too
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>>54311621
>She did really cute and dorky dances every time something went in her favor. It sounds kind of cringy, but it's much less so when you realize her boobs were going all over.
Some people can make goofy stuff like that charming, even without boobs being involved. I'm sure they didn't hurt though.
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>>54311659
There are actual Chapter Master minis that you can buy. But I like to go with a Captain on a nice scenic base.
Tell us about your doods anon
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>>54311223
My girlfriend is the only one I've seen. She doesn't play but enjoys watching and whenever anyone makes a joke about me dragging her in, she's always quick to play along and pretend that she's teaching me how to play.
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>>54311680
>>54311691
They're still in progress but one of my options is to use Black Templar rules. Could you use an Emperor's champion as your Chapter Master in that example then? Or am I restricted to Captains?
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>>54311533
maybe the captain, in telling everyone else to remember their training, somehow remembers his training. maybe that's too much oF a StReTcH ThouGh
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>>54311722
>Emperor's champion
He has his own datasheet but you could fluff it that way, sure.
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>>54311722
>Could you use an Emperor's champion as your Chapter Master in that example then?
Yep. Just make sure he's easily identifiable as your captain, because you could confuse people if you have the same miniature acting as your actual champion.
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I went to downtown Manhattan GW and played my first game of 8th edition today. I had brought my 1850 list, but the guy there interested in a pick up game was in from out of town and only had 1000 points ("of Nurgle", so I hastily battlescribed up a quick list centered around the models I was most interested in playing: my LRC, a pred, and some Death Company. All told maybe 25 models. My heart sinks when I see the sheer volume of models he puts down.
He's not playing Nurgle CSM. He's playing Nurgle Renegades with a handful of Daemons. His heavy weapons teams alone probably outnumber me in terms of models, plus several MSU nurglings and Guard style artillery/vehicles. I'm half amazed all this fits in 1000 points.

Nurgle puts an objective midboard, in cover dead center. He also has one up the side. I place one near a building and one nearish the board edge, in the corner.

Blood angels deployed Pred and LRC
LRC contains death company and Tactical marines
Lemartes and assault marines in reserve

Nurgle deployed... A lot
Wyvern
earthshaker battery
basilisk
Griffon
Nurglings
Herald
Malefic lord


Fully expecting to go first, I deployed aggressively. The Pred was parked behind a obscured to the half of the map the LRC was on, but was in position to fire on and be fired on by Nurgle's griffon, wyvern, and basilisk, as well as the Autocannon teams (in a building near than objective in the corner. The LRC was facing off against the Lascannon teams, some nurglings, and the earthshaker battery.

My two vehicles vs a boatload of models.
Nurglings have infiltrated to occupy the center objective in cover. I hold no objectives to start. I chose the edge without them intent on pushing him off his. I'm playing Blood Angels, after all.

Nurgle steals initiative. Crap.


Nurgle fires LCs at LRC and Autocannons at pred.

Lrc takes no dam. At all. It makes its only 5+.
Pred takes a couple wounds.

Cont...
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>>54311691
No, the Masters of the Chapter sets are the individual Company Captains.
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>>54311759
I'm talking about models like Marneus and Asterion.
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>>54311756
>1850 list
No one really runs that anymore in 8th edition. 2000 is the standard now. Just helpful advice for future listbuilding.
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I'm impressed and relieved. If he had managed to really mess up my vehicles early, this would have been a short, short game.

LRC moves forward
BA fire at nurgle
LRC splits fire between Nurglings (RF range) and two Lascannon teams.

The twin assault cannon kills a Lascannon team. It also wounds a nurgling and takes a few ablative wounds off one team. First blood, woohoo!

Pred trades wounds with Nurgle artillery. It MESSES the Griffon up, knocking it down to the 3rd profile.

Nurgle continues shooting. It puts a few wounds on the LRC and a few more on the pred. The malefic lord puts a few mortal wounds on the LRC.

The nurglings charge the Crusader. They do no damage (and even take a few wounds between overwatch and my attacks) but I'm less than happy about it being tied up.

BA2
Disembark the Tactical squad, disengage land raider. Tacs shoot Lascannon squad #2. Dead. They charge the nurglings and fight them to a standstill.

Predator continues trading shots with enemy artillery. It kills the griffon with a single Lascannon shot AND the wrecks the Wyvern. I'm especially happy about the Wyvern because that was the biggest threat to my infantry that are coming on the board.

Nurgle continues to fire on the land raider, which WILL NOT DIE.

At the end of Nurgle turn 3, the Pred has 4 wounds and the LRC has ONE. SINGLE. WOUND.

BA turn 3
The DC disembark.

I have thinned out his deployment zone sufficiently well that room has opened up for the assault marines.
I ask my opponent to hand me the tape measure as I pick up a few models from the side of the table. I measure out nine inches and he realizes what this means. I also put Lemartes in with my DC.
Two melta shots later his earthshaker battery is kaput.
Guns are fired. Nurglings die. Ablative wounds are lost. The Crusader charges the nurglings that it had previously been fighting. Yes. Frag launchers. Yes.

Mortal wounds. Yes. The multicharging DC wipe out the remaining nurglings and malefic lord.
Cont
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>>54311740
>>54311751
So I could use an Emperor's Champion model as my Space Marine captain while fielding a proper Emperor's Goodboy? Interesting. For my other option, what would Chaos Space Marines use as their generic captain? Fluff wise, they're kind of teetering on the edge of chaos but until I work more of it out I'd like to know my options.

You can rework Primaris Marines into Chaos Marines, right? Really one of the huge reasons I'm playing now is the Primaris models looking great, but I'm hoping their sprues go back to the more customizable looking ones of old
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It's getting late and my opponent has no way of hurting most of my units for another turn or two. His nurglings miiiight be able to achieve Linebreaker, but it would be a hell of a hustle and probably means moving off his center objective and hustling someone else in to replace them, and he himself says that he's NOT going to kill Lemartes for Slay the Warlord. He offers to call the game. We each hold two objectives, but I have First Blood and Linebreaker. Blood Angels victory!

We trade email addresses and he promises to send me a message next time he's in NYC.

Thoughts:
The LRC was a tough nut to crack. It absorbed a full turn of shooting without losing a single wound and didn't even leave the first profile until Nurgle turn 3. It ended turn 3 with a single wound left, yes, but that means it would still be on the table for turn four, and had already soaked up most of the fire it was going to take. It killed or wounded quite a few models, including a squad or two on its own, even thinning out the enemy deployment area enough for my assault squad to jump in. It won first blood and was instrumental in allowing my infantry to get where I wanted them. It rendered the Wyvern almost completely irrelevant, and by the time I deployed my infantry the Pred had killed it.

The Predator was an anti-armor monster. It certainly did its job of neutralizing enemy vehicles, killing several of them singlehandedly.

The tacs... Did pretty well. They finished off a Lascannon squad and then tied up a squad of nurglings and the malefic lord so the DC could clean up the next turn.

The assault squad did great. The meltas KO'ed the target (even from beyond half range) while their (1/12 chance of even making it) Hail Mary charge succeeded in not only tying up the Lascannon squad, but killing them outright.
The game was called before the DC could really make a huge mark, but they slaughtered whatever they touched.
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>>54311038
>he never even posted psychic powers
It's a good thing I'm not a daemonette or this level of blue balls would kill me.
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>>54311789
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What would be a good HQ to run alongside a full talons of the emperor army that would be fluffy
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>>54311789
>Emperor's Champion model as my Space Marine captain while fielding a proper Emperor's Goodboy?
Only if you properly convert one of them so they're easy enough to tell apart and make sure your opponent knows which is which at the start of the game.
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>>54311681
>ws 3+ strength 5 fw with 2 attacks each and ignore saves with their power katanas, but have no ranged, also ASF
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>>54311824
Inquisitor, Guilliman, Ecclesiarchy.
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New to the hobby should I buy SC Drukhari and Gangs of Commorragh or troll ebay for used stuff?
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>>54311850
Ebay is your friend.
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>>54311437
Everyone at our store is pretty cool regardless of what army they play. This is generally how I feel about the players at my store.

- Space Marine players definitely seem to be the most well adjusted socially and have pretty normal lives. They also happen to usually have the least interesting armies.
- Chaos players are bros, but most of them are basically casual stoners and metalheads.
- Ork players are mostly cool, but sometimes they were embarrassing with how hard they pushed the "I don't mind losing as long as I have fun" mentality. Now that most are shit stomping in the store during 8th edition, their backbone is growing back.
- Guard players at my store are pretty chill, but they are all manlet war fanatics who paint poorly and are probably the most awkward group. The exception is a tranny who is both hilarious and a lot of fun to play against.
- Tau players are really chill and funny, which is surprising. I figured they would be fags based on what I heard here, so I'm thinking we just got lucky with awesome Tau players.
- The only notable Eldar player is a young teenager who is great. A happy hobbyist who's trying his best and always has fully painted armies while playing.
- Necron players are all pretty cool, but there's nothing notable about them.
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>>54311798

Enjoyed the quick rundown.

Next time snap a few pics
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>>54311850
DE player here. That's a pretty good starting point. Reavers aren't as good as they used to be, but Hellions are pretty good now.
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>>54311687
Definitely. That was her, radiating charm. Still crazy so it was probably best to stay away, but now she's off across the country so not much choice.
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Anyone here own any Forgeworld Super Heavies?

I'm almost finished with my current eldar army project of about 1.5k pts, and am considering pic related as my next project.

Any opinions?
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>>54311917
doesnt it have digusting stats that no one would have fun playing against
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>>54311837

Eh, moreso melee Crisis
Maybe fusion blades can be taken by everyone
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No Army Builder yet?
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>>54311885
I would have, but my phone was on like 5% and I didn't want to risk losing Battlescribe.

Note to self, keep spare charger in my gaming bag.
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>>54311940
exactly the point though.
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>>54311850
Get your own boxes and assemble/paint yourself. You need to learn how to do it. Trawl ebay once you have got most of your stuff already and just want specific things on the cheap.
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>>54311917

I don't think anyone in these threads ever confesses to owning higher end FW stuff
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>>54311959
>Green and Gold Necron

I love it. They were my High school colors
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>>54311010
>tfw nobody even remembers Ad Mech is a actual army
>tfw nobody makes up silly stereotypes for us, or dicusses us
Pic Related
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>>54312026
I always find this funny because AdMech seems to be reasonably popular atm.
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>>54312026
Too new
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>>54311875
>- Tau players are really chill and funny, which is surprising. I figured they would be fags based on what I heard here, so I'm thinking we just got lucky with awesome Tau players.

People on the internet and what people say on the internet vary from real life

>- Chaos players are bros, but most of them are basically casual stoners and metalheads.

typically chaos degenerates lol

>Now that most are shit stomping in the store during 8th edition, their backbone is growing back.

"wut is dis WEENIN"

>>54312026

Most likely to die to lava
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>>54312004
Its not the most unique color scheme in the world but this is Baby's First Tabletop Army so I wanted it to look like I think they would on average as opposed to going nutty like pic related.
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>>54312051
That looks so horrible. Individually, each panel is fucking amazing, but together it looks so scattered and distorted.
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>>54312004
Also I love to use my Monolith in games and fuck what /tg/ thinks and the way they always talk shit to me when I talk about using it.
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>>54312064
Why doesn't TG like the monolith?

My only issue with it is that it's just like...sitting there. It doesn't float or anything?
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>>54312059
It looks like something that would be sitting in the Imperial Palace just looking nice.
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>>54312059
It does seem like a pretty in character way for a knight to decorate though
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>>54311917
I've got a falchion, it's pretty damn funny. Only used it once or twice outside of HH, but now that that's gone I'm really just stuck waiting for the odd 4K fight night.

That being said, I played a test game and it's fucking hilarious. Expensive as hell but it literally destroys whatever it shoots at, no further questions. Had the sucker next to a captain and
Iieutenant, aced 2 land raiders and a Sicarian. Looking forward to fighting Knights or carnifex spam and playing the coolest duck hunt game ever
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Writing a list for an Ork army, but am admittedly getting confused by the wording of the shokk attack gun on a Big Mek. Can he still have a killsaw or choppa or does the shokk attack gun cancel every other option out? New to Orks so any help is appreciated.
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>>54312059
there are a number of reason why catherdal panels were done by master painters, not just in terms of technique but in composition.

I get the idea he's going for, recalling those cathedral panels, but he needed to spend longer on finding a balanced composition.
The upper half is much better than the lower, portraits were not a good choice for those, especially the close ups.
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Can anyone tell me the interesting highlights that have happened since the Ultima Founding? Not the big stuff like the Unumbered Sons, but the kinda small but interesting stuff.
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>>54312059
Your right, but that particular piece tickles me, because it has panels for each of the major armed forces of the Imperium:
>Imperial Guard
>Space Marines
>Sisters of Battle
>Ad Mech
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>>54312080
Monolith is expensive. It is also big so its easy to hit from just about anywhere on the table. I dont have the problem, but a lot of people say its toughness isnt enough to save it from things, but I can see where they are coming from. I dont play against my LGS Eldar player anymore since he started playing Ynnari Dark Reaper spam and just blowing up everying turn 1 from across the board during psychic phase. Its weapons are also really powerful, but most people just want to tell you to take more Warriors or some Wraiths, which are equally good choices, but nothing beats the Aesthetic of Pyramid death machine. It also has a section on the bottom that could be easily magnetized for a flying base, I am thinking of attaching a few little struts under it with the bike flying base rods to make it float about an inch or so off the ground but I need to find some first.
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>>54312026
Yeah, but who cares. We've got the coolest lore, most flavor for backgrounds, and the best models of any faction hands down. If IA14 and the codexes go right, we can make like Columbine and show everyone what the quiet kid's arsenal can do
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>>54312081

I can imagine that the husks of broken Titans probably adorn the great avenues of Terra like suits of armor. Titans that fell during notable campaigns and can never be repaired cannibalized for parts and their broken, armored shells standing eternal vigil as monuments to the Imperium's might.

Or, at least similarly large statues of Titans. Titans themselves are probably far too valuable, even just their armored shells, to leave any parts behind. Still, no expense for Terra, but even then every asset has to be given over to the Imperium's constant state of war.
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>>54312142
I remember in the Thousand Sons book the Captains were discussing a Titan they had sitting over the entry to their temple, it has been a long time though, it may have just been the head, or a section of it.
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>>54312059
40k is pretty gaudy so it fits
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A promise is a promise.

I said yesterday I'd let anons decide the chapter of my Manlet Deathwatch Chaplain, and the guy that got dubs said " pink and purple, with a homebrew symbol".

here is the work in progress Chappy, next to a Custode so you get an idea of how small the sculpt is.
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>>54311321
And 7'10 feet tall
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I just realized something.

I've been out of the hobby for 2 editions or so- did they change the base sizes?

is 32mm the standard base size now? Do i have to rip off all of my 25mm bases? I can't imagine this is tourney enforced
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>>54312186
You're allowed to use the bases your models came with. So if they have 25mm, you don't have to rip the models off. Unless you want to ofcourse.
I don't, the cost of the bases for all my marines would be high enough to buy an entire new army with
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>>54312165

Horus Heresy might have been a different time. Still, it's possible that there's a Hall of Titans on Terra, which would just be a collection of "dead" Titan husks that stand like trophy suits of armor.

Considering that Terra is part bureaucratic hell and part religious Disneyland, it's possible that one of the attractions is a Titan hall where the faithful can come to see the God-Machines of the Emperor's fury, be they the faithful of the Ecclesiarchy or the AdMech who wish to see the avatar's of their God's might, however they might interpret Him.
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>>54312186
the only requirement for bases is you can use the bases they originally came with. fuck, i still use square bases but my army is old and i have a lot of oop metal daemons
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>>54312209
They don't have to be THAT expensive.
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/2062028
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>>54312165
yeah, they had a titan, they geared it up and used it to defend against the wolves. afaik, it was the thousand sons only titan, and it was destroyed in the fall of tizca
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Are Dreadnaught Drop Pods worth it this edition? I may have come into possession of a DDP or two. At the very least, it feels fluffy for Carcharodons.
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How is a pure harlequin force these days? I'd probably run plenty of starweavers if I went that route, unless there's any particular reason not to
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>>54312219

Let's grimdark it up.

At the base of each Titan stands a ministrator who sings hymns and stories about the long and illustrious service this Titan served before it was finally, tragically felled in battle. Generations of these preachers have gone by, each one taking up an apprentice to take their place and sing the hymns of the God-Machine whose stories they tell to the masses of pilgrims.

But after so many thousands of years, these stories have become distorted, or even lost. Some accomplishments have been played up to attract more crowds than their competitors, and earn more status in the Hall. And some stories, though few would say as much out loud, are possibly complete fabrications.
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>>54311010
What chapters are the better ones to pull rules from if you're doing a custom chapter with emphasis on melee combat?
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>>54312177
thats pretty dank desu

You should do that scheme then paint the helmets of your marine helmets like dia de los muertos face paint
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>>54312312

We have no rules for Chapters, yet.

Still;
>Carcharodons
>Black Templars
>World Eaters
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>>54311567
the amount of pseudo fascist IG players overusing HFY is noticeable yeah
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>>54312312
Most chapters, at the moment, do not have special rules or characters, beyond maybe a unique character or two. The SM Codex, which will be the firs to drop and likely coming within a few weeks, will include rules for chapters, and almost certainly ideas for custom chapters.
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>>54312312
carchardons

blood angels

space wolves
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>>54312304
deadly as fuck. army wide 4++, run and charge, troupe masters became characters.
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>>54312312
>>54312329
>>54312329
>>54312337

However, a successful meta is to field a chapter with as many special named characters as possible. Ultramarines and Black Templars become prime candidates for this purpose, as you can just toss a bunch of facefucker characters into a loosely knit death star.
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Would a Necron Dynasty whose Necrodermis/Reanimation Protocols no longer work, and the robots come back malfunctioning or don't properly self-repair right, leading to physical and mental quirks, keeping with the fluff?
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>>54312341
Man, I love the models and fluff, and I always like the tiny hyper elite armies, but I know for a fact I could not paint them to a satisfactory degree. It's a tough call.
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Whats the best way to use custodes with a guard army?
I was thinking swords and shields embedded in a barebones platoon just walking up the board. Maybe hide some psykers behind them.
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>>54312414

Commission painting.
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>>54312312
raven guard get shrike, who is one of the best chapter masters right now. he has a jump pack, good combat ability, the reroll aura, rerolling charges for vanguard vets (assault marines are utter trash for everyone but blood angels, and no one takes vvets without jump packs), and is quite cheap at only 150 points

raptors have lias issodon, who effectively gives three footslogging units the ability to deep strike, which opens up a lot of options that drop pods going up massively in price have closed. his extra 1 inch to charge ranges is nearly as good as rerolling charge distances if youre trying to make a charge after deep striking, but it also stacks with rerolls from veil of time or strategems to give you better odds than any other loyalist has. just keep in mind lias doesnt have an invul save
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>>54312059

I get what you're saying but you're overblowing it. Still, he would have done better to make the non-marble sections more picturesque, like painting them as stained glass figures in symmetrical, upright poses like the Space Marine statue.
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>>54312426
While I have some money to burn I'd rather spend it on overpriced models than paint jobs. Besides, if I ever expanded the force it'd bother me too much to have the mismatched paint jobs. Maybe I'll see if there are any simple color schemes that look good on them.
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>>54312440

>raptors have 7e-style deep strike grav spam

thanks FW
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>>54312440
>Raptor character let's units Deepstrike and has movement aura
>Carcharodons only get melee buff aura

T-thanks fw!
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>>54312406
The issue is that having Necrodermis/RP no longer work would essentially represent the loss of the Living Metal and RP rules, which are two of the most defining aspects of Necrons mechanically. Be very careful about removing or severely impairing those.

Fluff-wise, if these basic survival functions did not work, it would be very difficult for the Dynasty to stick around at all. Also, basic soldiers don't have the lowest level of personality or autonomy needed to even manifest "mental quirks".
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>>54312177
Looks good, the pink and purple are quite understated.
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>>54312361
>a successful meta
yeah I sure love all those non-stacking re-reoll auras
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>>54311843

Ecclesiarchy wouldn't be that fluffy, Custodes don't care about the Imperial Creed.
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>>54311257
>Her husband is a Hive Tyrant

>>54311621
>The best was when she got a little boy to roll for her. He had no idea what was happening, but when she threw her arms up in joy after good rolls, he did too.
A future player was created that day.

>>54311963
I still wonder if anon ever got his dick sucked.
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>>54312558

What the fuck did you expect him to give
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>>54312591

reroll 1's EVERYWHERE

>>54312785
space maoris
good with gaining weight, oceans, and cooking
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>>54312103
You only give up your slugga for the SAG, and your give up your choppa for a Killsaw, so you CAN take both. But I wouldn't suggest it, because your SAG should find one good vantage point and just keep firing. He's already 100 pts, so you don't want to get him into melee if you can help it. If you're worried about enemies jumping him, give him a cheap mob to cover him.
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>>54312573
I don't want them to no longer work completely, just that they're no longer working properly, leading to mistakes.

Also I didn't exactly mean the basic soldiers, but I'm pretty sure flayed ones can come from any caste, right?
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>>54312558
Wait for the Space Shark codex!
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>>54312842
>entire codex dedicated to one obscure chapter

All my sides if something like this happens

>Supplement: Crimson Slaughter
>Supplement: Sentinels of Fucking Terra, not even a chapter, but one fucking company

Come on GW get on it
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>>54312857
It's only a matter of time untill you have to get a full 'codex' for each separate unit entry.
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>>54312857
I do wonder if any smaller chapter stuff will be in the Space Marine codex, or every minor chapter will at most keep their index special characters.
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>>54311963
There's a great tranny at my FLGS. Very charming and everyone loves himher. Shit painter, but good player and always gets everyone in a good mood.
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>>54312857
custodes got one in 7th, and theyre literally
1 infantry squad
1 terminator
1 themed landraider
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>>54312918
What's the point of mentioning that you like this person and then purposely shitting on them
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>>54311963
>>54312918
>>>/soc/
Take this shit there, no one wants it.
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>>54312825

wait shit, samons =/= maoris nevermind

>>54312930

weren't the SoS(sy) ladies with them?
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>>54312937
Anon, talking shit about each other in a good natured kind of way is what friendship is all about.
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So if the Imperium of Man has technologically stagnated somewhat because it instead relies on re-found tech rather then flat out inventing extra new shit and thus feed Tzeench in doing so, shouldn't Chaos be way more technically advanced then the Imperium due to the Dark Mechanicus not having that issue? Shouldn't Chaos be a hodge-podge of daemonic shit with ridiculous fucking scary tech advances rather then just daemons, sorcery and old HH era marines?
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>>54312918
What army she play?
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>>54312945

They got their own separate book dedicated to them, but yes- they both came in the "talons of the emperor" box

$160 retail for a little less than 1k pts worth of units with no HQ choice
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>>54312937
Well they are a shit painter. The himher is because I'm not really sure how to say it

>>54312964
Dark Eldar.
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>>54312961
I assume they rely too much on magic shit to make many advances with tech.
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>>54312961
Tzeentch is not the god of invention anon.

Dark Mechanicus is all about that unlimited invention and stuff, but with the warp tending to make you somewhat psychotic their ideas usually don't advance beyond "what if we bound a daemon into it ?"
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>>54312961
>Be a Dark Magos
>Try connecting a new motherboard to a land raider
>Except the Land Raider is sentient
>The motherboard is now a daemon
>You look down and realise youre a daemon
>The world you're standing on is a daemon and your actually installing the device 3 days before you created it
The warps not the best place to be creating new technology champ. It's hard to follow the scientific method when there are no rules to follow in the warp.
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>>54313011
The warp goes by age of sigmar rules then?
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>>54312994
Daily reminder the people who have studies transgender people know that they're not insane and random NEETs on the internet who might have graduated high school aren't a proper source of information
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>>54312994
They aren't mentally insane, they just developed a brain with the opposite gender of the body they got, which is something they can't do anything about.
Imagine having a body of the opposite gender, but with the personality you have right now. I'd probably go for the honourable sudoku first opportunity I got.
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>>54313023
>The warp goes by age of sigmar rules then?
I know nothing of AoS but the warp follows no rules unless you are powerful enough to enforce them. Even then the gods could fuck with you if they wanted.
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>>54312961
I figure you can lure techies over with secret hidden chaos knowledge that's new to them, but not really new. That way Chaos is stronger because you have a new mech, but they don't advance much.
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>>54311621
>The best was when she got a little boy to roll for her. He had no idea what was happening, but when she threw her arms up in joy after good rolls, he did too
C U T E
U
T
E
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>>54312994
Man if a trannie is cute he should just keep his dick, if he can't pass, he should just give up. Why the fuck with all this mutilation
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>>54313023
No, in AoS everything always works because magic.
In 40k, inside the warp and warp storms all laws of nature have no more meaning, making it impossible to do anything reliably. The traitor legions could barely make their way out of the Eye of Terror, and you'd think that would just be a case of aiming where you want to go and flying over there.
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Do you think they will ever add Skitarii commanders as an Ad Mech HQ choice? I would love to have some tricked out close combat monster leading my Skitarii like in Titanicus instead of an old man tech priest.
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How balanced are Forgeworld models in this edition?
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>>54313086
They're that high for those that aren't treated with the best treatment currently available (Gender Reassignment Therapy)

Tell me why the trained professionals who work on this shit don't know as much as you.
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>>54313077
You've kinda missed the point, I think

>>54313086
>because your gender is hardwired on whether or not you have a hole or a pole down there
[Citation Needed]

>There is a reason suicide rates amongst trannies are at 50%
Probably in no small part due to all the vitriol and transphobia.

>nearly always diagnosed with some sort of autism or mental retardation
Another [Citation Needed]
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>>54313086
Point number 2 and the title of that piece really explains why there's "so many" "open and accepting" kids identifying as all sorts of stupid nonsensical shit. No way in hell a 10 year old is going to identify as gender fluid pansexual transmorphic or whatever the fuck else without basically being corrupted by SJW media.
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>>54313085
They'll probably add another HQ choice in the full codex. A Secutor or an Alpha Primus would be nice, with the Alpha Primus having options to either be kited for close combat or shooting.
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>>54313086
>>54313110
>>54313111
>>54313121
What does this have to do with our plastic soldiers wargame?
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>>54313086
>anon so triggered by the mention of trannies in a 40K thread calling other people mentally ill.
Simply amazing. So, since you are obviously an expert on autism, how is that working out for you?

Taking things back to WARHAMMER 40,000 for a bit, who has a battle coming up? What will you be playing, fighting against, how big a fight?

I'm playing GSC vs Space Marines, 1,750 pts. Not sure why he wanted that total exactly, maybe my opponent has something particular planed... or not.
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>>54311124
Still as bad as it was yesterday.

Sorry pal, I just don't like it.
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>>54312961

Cause shit is backfiring everywhere in ways that make no sense

>>54313088

Usual FW balance, bunch of bad stuff and some good, except now things are riddled with errors and typos
Few things are standout broken like the Pylon
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>>54313086
If you really knew anything about biology you'd know that we barely understand how it functions or develops.

But you're clearly one of those people who are so insecure that they only believe what suits them and will never let anything challenge that, so not wasting my energy any longer. Have fun shitposting.
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>>54313135
Nothing, report and move on
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>>54313088
Depends on the unit

Some of them are hot garbage, some of them are stupidly good.
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>>54313110
>Tell me why the trained professionals who work on this shit don't know as much as you.

Because they will instantly get fired for being insensitive if they disagree.
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>>54311963
A pretty cute chubby trans girl comes in fairly often to play. She's funny.
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>>54313137
In theory, it sounds like he's going for the old tournament point cost?

I played a game last night taking my CSM out on the road, but the real stars of the show was the unit of 20 plaguebearers, their -1 to hit deflected the majority of shots from a Baneblade (I know, god knows why he brought one) and with their icon they just kept popping back into existence.
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>>54313137
I've got a 1000 point tau (me) vs csm game coming up tomorrow, running some FW so hopefully I'll see how the FW units stack in battle, should be interesting.
Farsight should be fun, dumping him into some csm will right choppy, just the way I like my tau
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>>54313164
You forgot the most important information: WHAT ARMY?
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>>54313135
>talking about female 40k players is okay
>talking about transsexual 40k players isn't

What a transphobe!
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>>54313163
That's retarded and you know it. The ability for people to be sensitive to it comes from the fact that the people who studied it realized that it was a legitimate thing.
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>>54311136
Take 4 Sslyths.
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>>54313137
We have our Escalation league going up to 1k points next week so I'm excited about that. I also made a few friends so we are planning to play some bigger point games soon too. Going to be facing Guard, Custodes, Necrons and Iron Warriors. I play Guard with Ministorum melee units.
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>>54313137
Have a 500pts game against CSM for a campaign today, and probably a 1750 point game against Orks after that.
My GK could easily handle those orks last time, so not that worried. Thinking about trying my GK stormraven against them, haven't used it since 5th edition.
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>>54311379
Not again, sorry.
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>>54313190
Then where is the sensitivity for blacks being beaten and killed daily by police?
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>>54313137
Not an argument my sweet summer child.
>>54313157
We understand how hormones work and we certainly understand how genitalia work. And usually they work best when you don't inject hormones as a drug or mutilate your genitals on a regular basis.
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>>54313185
Imperial Guard with some other things. I've seen her run Crusaders, DCA, inqusitord and SoS.
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>>54313190
You don't even understand the point of that article, which isn't to shame LGBT, but to PREVENT CHILD ABUSE. You are ENDORSING CHILD ABUSE. You are, quite literally, a CHILD MURDERER when you trick those children into a lifetime of walking around being a drug-addled chimera that eventually commits suicide, instead of a regular healthy human being once puberty hits.
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Why is there no mass report function?

>>54313176
>running some FW

Like?
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>>54313207
I'm considering it. Seem like decently shooty and hard in cqc choices. I just think the medusae look cool
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>>54313190
It's not
http://newobserveronline.com/transgender-is-a-mental-illness-and-should-be-treated-as-such-former-johns-hopkins-chief-psychiatrist/
The man who said this was fired from his job for saying what he said. A medical official was fired for having an opinion on what is affecting thousands of people. Trying to claim that trannies kill themselves because of "transphobia" is one thing but trying to claim that people aren't losing their jobs over this shit is a whole other realm of delusion.
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Can someone please help clear up some force organisation things for me?

1. If I want to include an assassin in an IG army, do I need a separate detachment, or do I simply include it as an elite choice in a mixed detachment?

2. In a similar manner, can I include a Death Jester as an elite choice in a detachment otherwise wholly made of Asuryani Eldar?

3. Can Company Commanders give orders to Scions, or do I need to have the Scion HQ guy to give orders to Scions?

4. Can I field Haemonculus Coven units in a detachment of Ynnari? If so, I assume they keep their regular Dark Eldar rules instead of gaining the Ynnari special rules?

5. Lastly, am I allowed to field Space Marines and Tyranids in the same army, as long as they are kept to different detachments? (Note I don't plan on doing this, it's just an example).
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>>54313261
That one 404'd
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/long-shadow-cast-by-psychiatrist-on-transgender-issues-finally-recedes-at-johns-hopkins/2017/04/05/e851e56e-0d85-11e7-ab07-07d9f521f6b5_story.html?utm_term=.a54986fe67ef
http://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michael-w-chapman/johns-hopkins-psychiatrist-transgendered-men-dont-become-women-they-become
Have fun!
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>>54313235
>Not an argument
Couldn't even resist replying to a SINGLE comment, shows you're pretty obsessive.

I'll tell everyone what's really going on here. You hit on a tranny girl at some point, being a modern channer you though "if it's cute, fuck it". But, sadly, you're an autistic creeper, probably made some really gross comments to her that sounded normal in your head. So you got angry and then got "red pilled" hard so you could do everything to avoid the possibility that someone rejected you because they didn't like you. So that's what this is really about. What was her name, anon?

You already derailed us from talking about our plastic toys, might as well be up front about it.
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>>54312459
So I'm going thru my index, and maybe I'm missing something but how are Harley's a small elite force? Their point cost on doods seems pretty low, like you could have a metric fuckton of space elves by the time you hit 1k points. Do you just use the vehicles? I know I'm overlooking something simple here
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>>54313267
>1. If I want to include an assassin in an IG army, do I need a separate detachment, or do I simply include it as an elite choice in a mixed detachment?
Yes, I expect this to be FAQ'd out in a few months--next year
>2. In a similar manner, can I include a Death Jester as an elite choice in a detachment otherwise wholly made of Asuryani Eldar?
Do they share any common factions? Then yes.
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>>54313267

Read the rules. Specifically the part about detachments and faction keyword sharing. It's pretty fucking cut and dry. Share a keyword? Good to go. Don't share a keyword? GTFO
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>>54313242
>think of the children!!!!!

You realize starting at a young age they just get puberty blockers and as they grow up can make their own decision about what to do? And if later they want to stop they can, it's no problem - once you stop the blockers the body just picks right back up again

>drug addled

Yeah that estrogen will sure get you high am I right?
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>>54313312
>only narcotics are drugs
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>>54313288
I'm just looking at getting back into the game after a very long hiatus and haven't crunched the numbers, just going off what they used to be like. Are they not now?
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>>54311963
Yeah, but it's basically just a fat guy with glasses and long greasy hair who dresses vaguely like a woman and demands everyone refers to him as >she.
Shit player, man(woman)child, shit painter, smells bad, terrible attitude, just an all around terrible person to be around.
I avoid playing >her as much as humanly possible, such that I actually set my normiebook posts to specifically be invisible to >her whenever I'm looking for a game in the local group.
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>>54313314
>sweety
>little
>mentally ill

Try it with more smugness next time you make another non-argument to cover for your idiocy.
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>>54313328
I'm newb and was genuinely curious, they look cool and that Duncan video made the diamond patterns look EZ. Time consuming on another dimensional plane, but not hard.
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>>54313331
What army? This sounds familiar.
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>>54313352
>It's ok kiddo
Wow, anon is right. This is some pretty pathetic coverage.

Do you need help, anon? Are you suicidal? Are you unsure about your sexuality? I got the feeling you went to /hm/ and it made you feel "funny"?
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>>54313326
>drug addled
>addled - unable to think clearly; confused
>hurr any drug can do dat!

Words have meaning except when you're triggered about people who's lives never effect you
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>>54313331
>basically just a fat guy with glasses and long greasy hair who dresses vaguely like a woman and demands everyone refers to him as >she.
Let me guess, Eldar player ?
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>>54311963
I play at my lgs (now that I finally have one). But I mostly play X-wing these days
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If 2 squads of 5 dominion are in a rhino/repressor, can the vehicle move 24" before the game starts?
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>>54313401
What army did you play?
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>>54313428
Oh I kinda wandered in from the 30k thread, I play Alpha Legion

I bought some Primaris though, I'll see how they play. I know everyone says the sky is falling but they don't seem overpowered.
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>>54313174
>>54313176
>>54313212
>>54313216
Hope we get to see at least a few pics of all the fights coming up. Seeing an army on the table is the best.
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Working on my dark mechanicum army, thinking of going tzentchian so the Changeling can make them harder to hit (also exalted sorcerors on disks).

Is a chaos lord on a disk strong enough with a chainfist to be decent anti-air?
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Look, I understand that is entertaining to watch one shitposter go ballistic because people struck a nerve, but at least keep it 40k related.
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>>54313256
I am definitely running an XV84 commander as a drone controller with a missile pod in order to get reroll ones for marker drones, and possible a barracuda AX-5-2 with the ion weapon loadout. Either the barracuda or a ghostkeel and broadside instead, still considering whether I want a flyer or whether a small distraction unit and an addition to my gunline would be better, I'll hopefully pick up a hammerhead soon
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post mech-battles
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>>54313488
That ironclad had more hair than the furry dread, top kek.
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>>54313256
>why can't I just report everyone in a thread to stop them from talking about what everyone but me wants to talk about
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>>54313460
>Working on my dark mechanicum army
?
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Can I get some feedback on my new Impguard list? Bullgryn in Valkyries
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>>54311010
I've been out of the loop since 6th. How does this edition handle pairing different factions together? Like Nids and Necrons or some shit
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>>54313392
Tau, if that matters.
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>>54313531
P O T T E R Y
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>>54313531
As predicted in >>54313494. You can't make this shit up folks.
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>>54313528
Not possible outside of Open and Narrative play. Armies need to be composed of units that share at least one faction keyword.
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>>54313545
Mk, thanks
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>>54313528
All rules are linked in the OP, go read some rules.

All units in your army need to share at least one faction key word. Nids and Necrons share no faction keywords, and as such cannot be taken together in matched play. In the less competitive formats, you can do whatever you want, as long as your opponent agrees to it.
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>>54313528
So far the answer is "Narrative Play". In matched play you have to share a keyword (Like "Imperium") or have a special rule to allow it (like GSC can take Guard). Otherwise you just do Open or Narrative play where the rules are more lax.

I'd actually like to get in a game where I can team up my Orks and GSCs. Be curious to see how odd armies work together.
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>>54311223
Where are her nids?
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>>54313507
Daemonforge engines and warpsmiths, but since they are daemons they can use the Changeling for defense.
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>>54313586
I wonder if the stereotype that all girls play nids has finally died. I know when I first came to /tg/ in the early days of the board, every girl not only had nids, but also likely a "raped by giant bugs" fetish. Seems like such a simple time, looking back on it.
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Deathwing tide 2000 points

Isnt a great list but i love me some Deathwing
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>>54313610
At the LGS here there are multiple guys playing nids, but none of the woman play nids (Harlequins and Mechanicus respectively)
So like most steorotyping, it's mostly just a meme.
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>>54313622
No apothecary, each death in that army is going to hurt a lot.
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>35 more to go
Do any of you even notice time pass when you're painting?
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>>54313637
I was reading the apothecary's ability and it seemed too unreliable to be useful honestly
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>>54313650
Pin your taints.
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>>54313652
It is actually insanely reliable. You by default auto-heal D3 wounds at the start of every turn on a unit of your choice. And if there's no one left to heal you can choose to revive one of your guys on a 4+. This 4+ should be where you spend your command points on. More importantly, if you attach him to a high value squad, say the Deathwing Knights with Belial and the Ancient, you're getting a deathstar that hits hard and refuses to die.
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>>54313521
valks in a separate air wing detachment for command points
Scion squads should be MSU, giving you a second battalion detachment with 3 squads of 5 with no weapon instead of that vanguard
if you don't want to do that lose a scion squad in exchange for special weapons on the other squads
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>>54313650
At that point you may as well do assembly line painting.
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So I may have gotten my hands on 80 unassembled pox walkers for cheap as fuck

I'm assuming they're pretty okay to run as a whole?
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>>54313650
THIN
also get a better camera/angle/lighting that's grainy as fuck
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>>54313650
What is he holding ? His inhaler ?
>Do any of you even notice time pass when you're painting?
Not really, which is the best part about it

>>54313668
That sounds dirty
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>>54313682
or put him with a centurion devastator squad in cover and have an anti-tank squad that never dies
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>>54313702
It's that radio thing, but ebay models have some quirks to them so it looks more like a sweet potato.
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>>54313700
>No giant GW sign over the gates
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>>54313707
That's an option too but his army list is mono-deathwing so that would have been the best way to run it.

Really you just attach him to your favorite squad and watch them never die. That's the basic idea of the Apothecary. I believe you can also field multiple so go fucking nuts.
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>>54313713
It looks like prime material to make a meme image
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>>54313478

Barracuda looks good, therefore it not performing well is a failure on the part of FW. Aesthetic models should be superior.

>>54313504

>wtf why do people want to talk 40k in the 40k thread

>>>/leddit/

>>54313488

>two crippled geriatrics wrestling
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>>54313521

HQ:
- 1x Prime
- 2x Plasma pistols on Primes
+ 2x Command rods on Primes
- Company commander
+ Straken

Elite:
+ Stormbolter priest
-2 Brute shields on Bullgryns
+2 Slabshield on Bullgryns
+ Harker

Heavy support:
-3 Missile launcher on HWTs
+3 Autocannon on HWTs

this leaves you about 80ish point under, figure out what to remove to make it (gtg now)
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>>54313747
Barracuda seems like it's value right now, I mean for similar points it's better than a riptide it deals most dakka and is arguably similarly survivable due to hard to hit and innate 5++, with the railgun it becomes a real threat though loss of strafing run and drone controlled weapons hurt it dearly
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THREADLY REMINDER
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>>54313747
Endless shitposting every general, and still Taufags are the most insufferable faggots in every thread.
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So I don't have an index or codex yet, but I traded my MtG and old WFB metal models for a GK army.
I have 13 terminators with halabards, 1 caldor draigo. 4 terminators with psycannons. Two Nemezis Dreadnoughts with psycanons, incinerators or swords. What else do I need to buy to get a good army, model wise.
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>>54313777
bruh the only insufferable faggot in this thread seems to be you, now fuck off and kys
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>>54313595
Check out FW for dark mechanicum hellwright rules plus some regular tanks turned into daemon engines. Tzeentch lord could probably do some aa but chuck wings on a dp and you can do same shit better.
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>>54313786
Probably a gk land raider.
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@54313777
>t-tau
No more (You)s for you from me
End yourself

>>54313786
Apparently Falchions are good now, rejoice OG Marines+
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>>54313823
>@reddit
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>>54313790
>mfw this faggot unironically thinks someone would read his post and not think he was the hugest faggot in this thread

bruh
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What the fuck is this supposed to be, and why is it either Orks or Space Skaven-related
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>>54313841
Not even him but what is it with /tg/ and not knowing about (You) denial?
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>>54313856

Objective Set 2
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>>54313862
>said the guy feeding him you's

(You) tell me.

t. @ #hashtag
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>>54313856
It's a part of the upcoming plastic thunderhawk
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>>54313856
Kromlech makes pretty good bits
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>>54313884
DONT
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>>54313901
the plastic thunderhawk is called an overlord and is primaris only
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>>54313862
TG is a simple, naive board

>>54313856
Grenade cluster, not much else to read into
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>>54313774
Are many people using power points? They seem like a good idea for pick up games and stuff, but I know this fanbase can be resistant to change
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>>54313919
Pretty much everyone. Even tournaments like ATC this weekend are running PL
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>>54313926
>pretty much everyone
It's maybe 50/50 atm.
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>>54313919
Literally my entire gaming circle uses only PP. Which means 99% of the entire 40k community in Florida has swapped exclusively to power points.
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>>54313856
Some new shadow war stuff?
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>>54313926
Sweet, I like making lists for the sake of making them, but I'm glad to have an alternative
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>>54313932
Yeah, by that I mean "everyone who matters". No offense but if you aren't in the tournament circuit nobody really gives a shit what you do.
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>>54313953
There's still several tournaments using points. Hell ITC standard is listed as 2k points.
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So I got into this in march and almost have my first 1k points of necrons done painted. Problem is I'll never get to play a game as there is no local scene here in Guam.
Do you guys think I should buy more necrons or start a second small force so I can play games with my brother? Was thinking primaris cuz they new hotness or possibly Deldar. Who would be a fun matchup for necrons?
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>>54313953
No one in the serious tournament circuit is using power level.
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>>54313926
My store is still a points purist. But then again they're chinks so it's probably autism.
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>>54313970
Probably the only tournament on the continent that didn't get the memo.

>>54313983
Nice try troll

>>54313986
Local shop makes mistake, news at 11
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>>54313994
Oh okay, you're trolling.
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>>54313975
Always best to get new players into the hobby before getting a giant army you can't use. Pretty much any matchup is good, whatever you'd like to model and paint and he'd like to play.
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>>54314005
That wasn't obvious from the initial image he posted?
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>>54314007
I just got here and didn't feel like reading the whole reply chain.
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>>54314007
Hey reddit, not everyone is the same person. Go back.
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>>54313823
Is it ok to use models with halabards, but use falchion rules? The guy I traded with did not have any spare parts.

Also some people told me I have to get 3 storm ravens. Those are realy high cost models, are they obligatory to have a good list or can I skip them or buy maybe just one ?
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>>54314007
He's not the same person that posted the above image.
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>mfw people vehemently against power levels can't see why it's so useful for people who simply don't give a shit and want a quick game (surely you remember how much longer it took you to build your first 8E list by points and how much flipping between datasheet and points chart)
>mfw people who prefer power level can't see why it's absolutely fucking unbalanced and most players can't be trusted to use it fairly

You're all bastards.
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>>54313975
I got into it in like March as well.
For starters, what faction(s) do you like other than necrons?
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>>54314021
>3 storm ravens
Terrible advice. Don't buy any until codex.
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>>54314021

Stormraven spam is the only netlist we have at the moment which is why everyone memes it. I'm pretty sure it only won because 8th edition is new.
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How did all the people who don't like points because they don't like doing basic addition play the game before this edition come out?
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>>54313926
>>54313937
Why though? I mean it's not that much easier. And you can have two armies that have identical units but different wargear be considered equal on the table! It's just asking for balance issues, which 40k has enough problems with, without asking for more by making wargear effectively free.
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>>54314026
Not even 8th edition can fix that
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>>54314034
Shhhh no dude don't tell them. I'm banking on all the smurfags at my LGS buying into the Stormraven meme just in time for the inevitable Codex nerf.
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>>54314021
>Is it ok to use models with halabards, but use falchion rules?

personally I wouldn't mind so long as you made it clear
but the pickiness of others is important to consider.

>Also some people told me I have to get 3 storm ravens

you're being told to buy into the flier spam meme that started up
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>>54311223

No.

There's a cute brunette who plays D&D while me and the neckbeards are hiding in the back playing 40K and I think we lock eyes every once in a while but I would never approach her in the store. Not out of any sort of fear of talking to girrrrls or any bullshit like that, I just don't want to be that guy.
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>>54314026
I'm firmly in the camp of "it has its uses, but tournaments are not one".
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>>54314026
>how long it took you told build your first 8e list
Ten minutes on battlescribe.
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>>54314069
>he built an incorrect list
lol
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>>54314060
>I just don't want to be that guy

What guy

the guy who talks to girls?
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>>54314076
>playing a faction with incorrect data modules
lol
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>>54314087
>believing that any of the modules are correct
lol
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Aren't power points just a way to get free points for armies that have a lot of upgrade options for squads and models? Power points don't give much to necron warriors or fire warriors, but for marines it could be 30/50 free points.
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>>54314098
Chosen and Nobs are a great example of what you're saying.
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>>54314091
>not checking modules with books
lol
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>>54314098
>necron
>complaining about anything ever
lol
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>>54314030
I'd be lying if I didn't say spess marines got me into this, I ended up going with necrons because they were the only models I've ever seen in person that I can remember. Walked into a GW as a kid many years ago and the image of a bunch of terminators with acrylic green tubes and a death pyramid behind them has been seared into my mind ever since. I went with orange toobs tho.
I like that primaris are new hotness and as I don't have any games coming up in the near future I can dedicate a lot of time to painting another army. Maybe magnetize stuff, go for a difficult color scheme or something.
Also dig harleys, and really like the lore for admech. If they remake Emperor's Children as they have with DG and 1ksons I would also be interested in that as well. First minis I painted were rubrics and was planning on 1ksons but I read all those john french books and got turned off
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>>54314034
>>54314041
Ah, ok. Should I play the terminators as paladins or as normal terminators?

Also where do I get parts for paladin apothecaries, I couldn't find a blister or box set for them.
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>>54314098
Yes. They're essentially bullshit that allows the free-form storyfag crowd to believe they're playing a game.
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>>54314116
>meticulously checking an incorrect program with the book
>then using the incorrect module anyway
lol
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>>54314026
Nigger have some courtesy and write a few lists at home to play with in the store.
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>>54311850

Gangs of Commorragh is a pretty good deal for $60 though.

I play Marines and I'm thinking of picking it up just because the bikes look like they would be fun to paint.
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>>54314121
nice tubes
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>>54314098
Basically. Their values are based off of the average point value of all possible loadouts for each unit, but that still means that units with no options will be stuck at exactly what the PL:Pts ratio is, while options like >>54314106 can happily take maxed out gear.

In other words, the system immediately breaks down if you approach it from the perspective of someone trying to optimize their individual unit loadouts to win. If all you want is a Your Dudes game with friends, or to introduce some people who may be intimidated by points, it's fine. In a competitive tournament setting however, you can bet people will use every advantage available to them, which means certain units will become arbitrarily better or worse depending on how far their maxed value deviates from their average value.
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>>54314133
>projecting this hard
Show me where the shitty module touched your npc faction
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>>54314106
Right? My usual example is Vanguard Veterans. For 7 power you can have 5 guys with bolt pistols and chain swords. For 8 power you can have 9 guys with jump packs, each with a power weapon and a plasma pistol, or a storm shield, and 1 guy with melta bombs. The power increase came only from the jump packs.
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>>54313085
There's a skitarii HQ in 30k, I'd be surprised if we didn't get one in the codex or fires of cyraxus.
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>>54314132
Well am not against it. I noticed that for example my dudes could have 10 Thunder hammers and 4 psycannons per unit for 0 extra points.
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>>54314132
> Being this assblasted about people who use power points
I bet you did poorly in school because of your Autism. How much did your fellow students beat you?
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>>54314150
>got caught lying
>panics
Show me where your reddit account got told to shill bad programs
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>>54313975
>mutha fucking Guam
Haven't thought of that place in ages, I grew up there.

Honestly, ask your bro what he'd like to try playing. You want him to keep interested if he's your only opponent for now.
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>>54314144
ok, but to have non optmised units, you would have to start with buying bad models or giving wrong gear to models. I don't have much xp in w40k, but in MtG this would be as if someone invested in to bad cards, and it never happens.
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>>54314161
>having a reddit account
You poor thing.
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>>54314121

Sounds like you should consider picking up some Marines/CSM in the future
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>>54314154
There's the fact that you have to pay full cost for taking extra units regardless of how many you actually take. Just one extra guy and you basically pay for two units.

It's supposed to be a system that just lets you play whatever you have and yet punishes you for not being able to full advantage of the extra costs.
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>>54314193
>projecting
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>>54314069
>can't even make a points list without an aid
>expects people to use points
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>>54314060

Wink or wave at her next time that happens, idiot.
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>>54314223
Enjoy your ban for sexual harassment
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Is there a map of galaxy with just the home planets of the Primarchs marked on it? I'd like to see where they all were in relation.
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>>54314127

They're both good. Paladins if you want sturdier bricks, terminators if you want more models. It would also depend on your area, some areas may be unfriendly to eggs-in-one-basket style armies like paladins, in which case terminators are the universally safer choice (though they will still keel over to smite and other mortal wounds, at least you save points)
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>>54314181
Maximized units are not the same as optimized units. As a hypothetical situation, imagine a unit which had the option to, for a huge number of points, buy an awesome gun. The unit remains pretty squishy though, so in most cases, people won't choose to blow that huge sum of points on the shiny gun, because it just isn't worth the points it costs. Now with power levels, there is no cost. There is now no downside to taking the fancy gun. Where before you may have had to choose between taking bare-bones, medium and heavy loadouts which had increasing damage outputs but increasing costs making for tough decisions, you now have no reason to not always make use of the heaviest loadout for any given unit.
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>>54314230
>waving is sexual harassment

I legit lol'd. Don't worry, afterwards it'll be like

>"Hey Anonymous, wait up!"
>"Huh?"
>"I'm sorry you got banned from the store because of me, do you want to go out sometime?"
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>>54314085

See >>54314230
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>>54314160
Okay, let me build a list on the spot with no penalty for taking the shinier toys and after seeing what you're going to bring to the table so I can counter.
Sound good?
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Wtf is this stupid circle on my captains shoulder pad? I didn't see it on the box art :^/
I mean I can switch it out for a different shoulder but still.
Also the black plastic sprue-holder thing is much appreciated as alot of my smaller parts have ended up busted in the mail.
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>>54314264
>>54314230
Talking to girls you dont know is only weird if youre ugly

youre not ugly are you
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>>54314261
It might be if he's in SoCal or Canada.
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>>54314150
The fact that there are npc factions at all is a glaring weakness in the story.
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>>54311584
>anger pooch
Lost my shit. Thank you, sir.
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>>54314055

Stormravens are good even without going into meme territory

I run 2 at 2k points
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>>54314275
You're supposed to apply a tampo onto it. Like a chapter symbol or something.
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>>54314275
It's for a transfer. Ignore or fill at leisure.
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>>54314276

> Asks a guy who talks about Warhammer 40k at 1 in the morning on an anonymous Ancient Egyptian colored pencil aficionado board if he might be ugly

I'd rate myself a solid 6/10 desu
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>>54314281
>every faction is supposed to be vitally important to the story

this is how bad settings are made
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>>54314252
why would you want a squishy unit to begin with it? Shouldn't the army be build out of points optimised units and characters, with high fire power, that are either extremly resilient or very cheap, but still efficient, so their death does not hinder you from winning?
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>>54311850
You mean "Trawl" anon, not troll.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trawling
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>>54314299
Right, so you're hideous to women if studies are anything to go by. Do not approach.
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>>54314238

http://pro.bols.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/AOH-teaser-03.jpg

>>54314301

most of the factions are important though
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>>54314299

I feel like anyone that's not confident enough to rate himself at least a 7 is basically a 2. At least for guys that's how it works. If you ain't a 7 or higher, you better be rich.
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>>54314291
Dies to missile launchers
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>>54314275

It's stupid that they didn't give you a shoulder without that circle. They usually do that in these situations. One shoulder with a circular area marked off for your transfer, and one without so you can put a non-circular or extra large transfer on it if you want, or if you just hate the circle.
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>>54314332
nice meme faggot
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>>54314317
>http://pro.bols.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/AOH-teaser-03.jpg
Thanks Anon. That map really makes me questio how Bobby G was found 8th however lol. He was found be fore Magnus and prospero is right there.
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>>54314347
Conscripts is the meme.
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>>54314363
Dies to X is the meme since Magic threads were a thing you chodegobbler.
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>>54314356

Because, how could the Emperor not be drawn to the Avenging Son, Lord of the IoM, spiritual liege of us all, and progenitor of the greatest chapter of marines ever
No matter the distance
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>>54314356

Since the Emperor is on a crusade, he isn't interested in "travelling in a straight line" or "back to Terra" or "by the light of the Astronomicon". I'll bet they just made blind ass warp jumps, only making sure to stay within the galaxy and the light of the Astronomicon, then eventually he ended up at the eastern edge one time.
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>>54314377
Explains the yaoi hands on both of them.
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>>54314305
The squishiness was just an example as to why you might not want to load a single model with the most expensive options. It's also possible that the cost of a given option is simply high enough that it is less efficient than accomplishing that task with a different unit entirely. Under the points system, weapons are individually assigned costs to balance their overall strengths. Power Axes, for example, cost 5 pts instead of the 4pts which swords and mauls cost, as the stats on the Axe are more conveniently distributed for the majority of targets, giving it a slight offensive advantage over the other two weapons, which in turn is balanced by the slightly higher cost. Power levels removes this balancing factor. Options you may have not taken before are now equally cheap, so you may as well go for the strongest one.

Another example are limited-use weapons, like hunter-killer missiles, which you pay points for individually, each firing expending a missile. Due to their limited nature, they're not must-takes despite not competing with other wargear options. In power levels, there is no reason not to always take HK missiles on every unit that can take them.
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Jet pack and dual plasma pistol vanguard vets, best idea or bestest idea?
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>>54314409
dies to conscripts
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>>54314409
Ultramarines/10, just remember to drop directly on biggest shit and overcharge all shots.
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>>54314409
Just take a ChadblasterSquad at this point.
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>>54314305
In MtG terms, imagine all cards had their mana costs rounded down to the nearest multiple of three, minimum one. There are cards that are suddenly much better due to their reduced cost, while others remain exactly as they were. (obviously not a perfect analogy, but a similar idea as far as arbitrarily lowering the level of granularity in options resulting in some options getting a power spike)
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>>54314409
>laught at inferior and more expensive marines
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>>54314332
do missile launchers even have flakk missiles anymore
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Anyone know how Deathwatch are in 8th? I have the Deathwatch Overkill box, but only bothered to paint the GSC so far. If I went in on painting these guys and buying a SC! Deathwatch set, how big a force could I lay down? And any major things I'd be missing?

And I know the Deathwatch Killteam box says it has "18 chapter specific shoulders" anyone know what chapters?
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Is it just me or did the death of the list builder just ruin these threads? Makes it impossible to tell who's talking about 40k or just shit posting.
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>>54314448
No, because they aren't necessary in 8th edition. You hit flyers at -1 at worst and since flyers are visible from everywhere 99% of the time, you just throw krak missiles at it until it dies.
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>>54314144

Check how ridiculous you can get with deathwatch

Deathwatch kill team

Watch sergeant with thunder hammer, inferno pistol and combat shield (63pt)
4 veterans with thunder hammer and inferno pistol (59pt each)
3 terminators with cyclone, storm boler, meltagun and power fist (121 pt each)
Biker with

Total:
18 power
662 points

36.8 points / power
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>>54314459
its because battlescribe is utter shit and nobody want to read excel lists
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>>54314457
They're great and the codex for them is coming out with even more awesome new units. It's a good time to be a DG player.
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>>54314459
We used to have army list generals.
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>>54314317
> Horus's homeworld is literally right-next door to terra. At most 10 lightyears away, and a whopping 1 warp-jump away from terra.
No wonder he was found while he was still an infant.
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>>54314446
>>54314433

Carcharodons, so no chads, thanks. My list is basically just an army of vanguard vets and assault vets plus tanks lel, so the pistol vets are seeming like a great idea at 2 am.

>>54314423

Of course
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>>54314480
He wasnt found, he came to Terra himself
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>>54314462
I mean i get what gou are soing, but even then this list is shit. youll die to a random plasmasquad or anything that moves 12"
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>>54314299
>>54314326
Just work out if you want to look good, the fact you don't have the willpower or self control to do this tells me you deserve that 2/10.

>>54314230
You live in Canada? California? Maybe Sweden?
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>>54314460
You're going to need a fuckload of krak.
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>>54314462
>Biker wit

No biker, sorry for the typo
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>>54314491
Sure thing buddy, enjoy your points sink.
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>>54314490

>Just work out if you want to look good

I've lost 45 pounds since March literally by not drinking soda and working out twice a week.

> tfw you browse /tg/ and /fit/
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>>54314490

Nigga the fuck you quoting me for, I'm actually fit and good looking. I was just telling it how it fucking is.
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>>54314496
>see squad with missile launcher
>get 1 or 2 Vulture to btfo this shit in 1 phase
>Thanks alpha strike :^)
>the other 4 vulture and 3 vendetta stomp the rest
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>>54314490
>men have to look good AND be confident

fuck me
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>>54314480
Yes but where is Alpharius' homeworld
and the real question
where is omegon's homeworld
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>>54314488
That's only 18 power though, you can have more than twice that in a 50 power game or even just ally it on to another army.
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>>54314483

Somehow I forgot to mention lightning claw assault termis. Dual pistol vets sort of fit with the theme of ridiculous dual wielding CQC units
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>>54314473
And looking at the kill team entry, the crazy assortment of guys in the DWOK box set actually make for quite a powerful unit, right? I do like the idea of (assuming the right guys are alive) being able to fall back, shoot and then charge again (though something would have to be pretty tough to survive the initial fight).
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>>54314509

Vendettas are kinda shit desu

230 pts for a lascannon platform that hits on 5...

Gatling vulture is great otoh.
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>>54314509
>see silly points sink across the board
>deploy in cover
>make all saves
>kill it easily
>walk over and get the objective
>ignore whatever other trash that idiot decided to deploy as it's sure to be equally worthless
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>>54314515
ots still marinelets with 1 wound and no long range.
Youll get swarm by 120 gaunt and can be hardcounter by 1 vendetta or 1 hyve guard squad hidden at the back of the field.

you could maybe win vs elite armies but they'll have as much points as you so youll be on equal terms even there
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>>54314518
Hell yeah. Deathguard are in a great place right now and sure to become really good once your primarch is released. If the thousand sons are any indication of the treatment you'll get, be prepared to enjoy a seriously badass army really soon.
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>>54314533
>I'll stomp you because I know for 100% I'm going to roll super well.
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>>54314548
No, everyone will stomp you because the thing you're talking about trying is going to be worthless.
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>>54314533
>makes 130 saves with a devastator squad

bravo you win buddy, call me back when you get thay sweet cashprize since literraly everyone in tournament in spamming flyers.
I'll be seeing your name at the top of the next GT right ?
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>>54314556
why does it consistently win e.v.e.r.y tournament tho ?
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>>54314541
>>54314473
Oh no, I was talking about DeathWATCH, not GUARD! Did you trick me, anon?
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>>54314556
People are already spamming fliers in tournaments and doing rather well with them.
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>>54314536
Not the terminators, each squad of them equipped with cyclone launchers AND storm bolsters AND meltas.

They have squads with heavy flamer heavy bolsters as well for killing hordes.
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>>54314562
>>54314564
>panicked retards try to circle the wagons around their meme lists
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Speaking of meme lists, how's my Eldar army?
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>>54314563
Ya done got lured by Chaos
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How much flyers is considered spam?
My elysians have about 1k of flyers at 2k points
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>>54314578
shit/10
warlocks are shit in 8th and shining spear even more.

field 5 hemlock already
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>>54314578
Make them grow spikes and run 8x the bikers.
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>>54314574
Can you at least try and explain why, if flyers are so bad, hey are making the top of all the tornies?
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>>54314574
>Your meme list is shit, it'll never do well!
>People are already doing well in tournaments with these lists
>Lol, look at how retarded you all are.
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>>54314578

My 24 2+ hit autocannons shots would love to have a word with your bikes...
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>>54314582
>he counts his flyers in points instead of models

The fuck you think you spamming ass faggot

Elysia is the one army where it's okay though
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>>54314568
yeah but 40 gaunt and a tyranid prime is also 18 PL.

Thats 120 bolter shot at 18" per turn.
hordes win when using PL.
just look how nobs can be up to 1000 points for 11 PL
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>>54314593
>>54314595
>deploy the meme phalanx!
>shields up! start deflecting!
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>>54314593
>>54314593

Literally one tournament?
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>>54314578
it looks like an 7th list used in the completely different game that is 8th
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>>54314607
I always love it when people accuse others of deflecting while themselves deflecting.

It's a simple question, if fliers are so easy to counter why are flier heavy lists doing so well in tournaments?
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>>54314607
RA dont work if all the models in the unit are dead, son though volume of shit, you just remove one unit at a time
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>>54311223
No and if they did it wouldn't be my store any longer.
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>>54314620
>Repeat the line!
>REPEAT THE LINE!
>HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLD!
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>>54314616
>>54314616
>>54314616
>>54314616

100% of tournaments
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>>54314620
he just went full retard
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>>54314635
>Side comments up!
>FIRE!
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Can I get some feedback on my 2500 list for my Deathwatch?
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>>54314643
Its shit
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>>54314631
Different anon, I'm honestly curious as to the basis of your opinion. The anon you're replying to has given the evidence that these lists performing well in tournaments would indicate they aren't shit. What is your rationale?
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>>54314633
>>54314633
>>54314633
>>54314633
>>54314633

By the Emperor, he's right!
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Where do you find tournament results? I saw the results for the first GT, where can I find shit for like every tournament?
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>>54314649
>DEPLOY THE FALSE CLAIM!
>TRUTH SHALL NOT WIN THIS DAY!
>>
Hey guys, do you have a Dark Imperium epub for me. Don't find it in the megas.
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>>54314635
His argument is dead, replaced only by shitposting.

>>54314649
If it's the same guy as yesterday when I had this same discussion it's basically that if he rolls really really well he can kill any vehicle in a single turn, and since it's possible it makes all vehicles bad.
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>>54314643
it will be good against other elite armies.
But 2k5 and no LoW ? I mean you can even face a Warhound at that point level and he will still have plenty of troops around.
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So I have just picked uo my chaos again, and got rofl stomped by Guard today.
Lost everything but cultists, plague marines, and 1 squad of space marines by end of turn 2.
This is my list:


++ Battalion Detachment (Chaos - Death Guard) ++

+ Troops +

Poxwalkers: 17x Poxwalker

++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) ++

+ HQ +

Chaos Lord: Chainaxe, Combi-plasma, Nurgle

Chaos Lord in Terminator Armour: Chainfist, Combi-plasma, Nurgle

+ Troops +

Chaos Cultists: 9x Chaos Cultist, Heavy stubber, Nurgle
. Cultist Champion: Shotgun

Chaos Cultists: 9x Chaos Cultist, Flamer, Nurgle, 9x Replace autogun with autopistol and brutal assault weapon
. Cultist Champion: Brutal assault weapon and Autopistol

Chaos Space Marines: 4x Chaos Space Marine, Lascannon, Nurgle
. Aspiring Champion: Bolt pistol, Boltgun

Chaos Space Marines: 9x Chaos Space Marine, 2x Heavy bolter, Nurgle
. Aspiring Champion: Bolt pistol, Boltgun

Chaos Space Marines: 5x Chaos Space Marine, Nurgle, Plasma gun
. Aspiring Champion: Boltgun, Combi-plasma

+ Elites +

Chaos Terminators: Nurgle
. Chaos Terminator: Chainfist, Combi-plasma
. Chaos Terminator: Chainfist, Combi-plasma
. Chaos Terminator: Chainfist, Combi-plasma
. Chaos Terminator: Chainfist, Combi-plasma
. Terminator Champion: Chainfist, Combi-plasma

Chosen: 4x Chosen, Nurgle, 4x Plasma gun
. Chosen Champion: Bolt pistol, Combi-plasma

Helbrute: Helbrute fist, Multi-melta

Plague Marines: 2x Blight launcher, 6x Plague Marines
. Plague Champion: Boltgun and Bolt pistol, Plaguesword

Plague Marines: 2x Blight launcher, 6x Plague Marines
. Plague Champion: Boltgun and Bolt pistol, Plaguesword

+ Heavy Support +

Chaos Predator: Havoc launcher, Twin lascannon
. Two lascannons: 2x Lascannon

I had aome pretty bad rolls, but what could I do to make this better?
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>>54314643
>Battlescribe
No
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>>54314662
>KEEP LYING! KEEEEEEP LYYYYYYYYYYING!!!!
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>>54314633
>I flipped a coin and it landed on tails, therefore coins are 100% tails
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>>54314658
I am honestly asking what your argument is.
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>>54314666

He even plays at 2500 for some retarded ass reason.
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>>54314671
Cant argue with results
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>>54314676
>FEIGN REASONABILITY!
>But Master, it will fail!
>SILENCE WORM! DEPLOY THE FEIGNED REASONABILITY!!!!!
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>>54314582
How many flyers is that, I've got 1130 points of flyers (5 of them) at 2k, 2 dakka vultures, 1 dakka valk (all light weaponry) and 2 vendettas
>>54314605
>Elysian is the on army where it's ok
Damn straight son, dune buggies and walking toilet cubicles ain't never won a battle
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>>54314643
Ove always found deathwatch too elite for my taste.
But your is surprisingly not elite for the elite.
I mean if you just field bolters (1shot S4 D1), dont field deathwatch, field plenty of cheap whatever to replace.
2k5 without any Lord of War is pretty hard, unless of course, its banned.
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>>54314665
What did you go up against in particular? I notice you don't have very many heavy weapons.
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>>54314671
>I flipped a coin and it landed on tails, therefore 100% of the coins I flipped were tails.

FTFY
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>>54314670
Cringe.
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>>54314165
Where should I start for white scars lore? besides lexicanum/wikia I mean. There's probably like 25 HH books
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>>54314701
>Flipped that for you
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>>54314702
>INSULTS UP!
>FIIIIIIIIIIIIRE!
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>>54314708
kek
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>>54314683
It's very difficult to have a discussion if you won't explain your viewpoint.
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>>54314714
At this point he's just gone full shitpost mode.
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>>54314714
>Master! It isn't working! Nobo-!!!
>THE REST OF YOU, CONTINUE TO FEIGN REASONABILITY OR YOU WILL SUFFER THE SAME FATE!
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>>54311389
vastly underrated post
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>>54314723
A guy in my group has the board, and while it looks great jesus fuck you need a dice tower or a box to roll in.
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>>54314718
>INSULTS CONTINUE FIRING!
>THE TRUTH SHALL FALL!
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>>54314718
That's a shame. I enjoy hearing the viewpoints of others on matters like these to provide further insights into the system.
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>>54314736
>Feigned Reasonability approaches critical master! The bullshit generators, they will not hold!
>CONTINUE FIRING! CONTINUE FIIIIIIIRING!
>>
Is it possible for sabre weapons platforms to buff Elysians?
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>>54314732
I own it, it's annoying sometimes but I have one of the nice wooden dice rolling boxes with green felt. It was a Christmas gift from my gaming buddy, would recommend.
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>>54313919
no, no one is using them, it's literally a meme
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>>54314665
Plague marines are overpriced atm I would drop them. You are better off taking more csm if you want durable weapons platforms, since the extra qounds and firepower from having more models dor the points
makes them superior.
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>>54314690
Those bolters get special bullets though for insane bullshit.
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>>54314780
Which is precisely why everyone keep making fun of you for pushing silly meme lists
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Fellow magi- examine and appraise the efficiency of my war cohort.

Adeptus Mechanicus <Mars>

HQ
Ф Belisarius Cawl (250 pts) (13)

Ф Magos Fycex (141 pts) (7)
>Tech-priest dominus with an omnissian axe, an eradication ray and a macrostubber

TROOPS
Ф Tor-851 Null Linebreaker-Morii (+195) (9)
>3 Kataphron Breachers with 3 Torsion cannons and 3 Hydraulic claws

Ф 8-Rad Nihilator Conclave (+195) (9)
>3 Kataphron Breachers with 3 Torsion cannons and 3 Hydraulic claws

Σ Lex-27 Ranger-Expatriarii (182 pts) (8)
>10 Skitarii Rangers with 6 galvanic rifles, 3 transuranic arquebuses and an omnispex
>led by Ranger Alpha Cynkade-Lex I/X with a Galvanic rifle

Σ Ferrox-32 Vanguard Praetori (+158) (8)
>10 Skitarii Vanguard with 6 radium carbines, 3 plasma calivers and an omnispex
>led by Vanguard Alpha Trega Ferrox I/X with phosphor blast pistol and arc maul

Δ Rho-Nagex 23 Hysparsii (+115) (8)
>10 Skitarii Vanguard with 6 radium carbines, 3 arc rifles and an omnispex
>led by Vanguard Alpha Daecius-Negex I/X with arc pistol

ELITES
Σ Infiltroriad-Thaatex 790 (120 pts) (6)
>5 Sicarian Infiltrators with 4 stubcarbines and 4 power swords,
>led by Infiltrator Princeps Drekva Thaatex I/V with a stubcarbine and a power sword

Σ Cyrax Phase-404 De-Phracta (+113) (5)
>5 Sicarian Ruststalkers with 4 transonic blades,
>led by Ruststalker Princeps Rytricos Cyrax I/V with transonic blades and a chordclaw

FAST ATTACK
Σ Cytor-72 Ironstider-Circadii (190 pts) (8)
>2 Ironstrider Ballistarii with 2 twin cognis lascannons and 2 broad spectrum data-tethers

Σ 8-7-4 Loctax Maximal 'Forgelance' (151 pts) (6)
>Onager Dunecrawler with a neutron laser, 2 cognis heavy stubbers and a broad spectrum data-tether

TOTAL - 1810 POWER RATING - 87
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>>54314841
Breachers are kinda shit. Torsion cannons are really shit.
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>>54314841
>1810 pts, 87 PL
For what purpose?
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>>54314697
3 lemon russ
6 lascannon heavy wepons
3 mortar
3 auto cannons
Chimera full of plasma vettes
Guardsmen and snipers.

How are missile launchers for 5 man CSM teams?
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>>54314767
Less plagues more csm.
Thinkimg about converting some devastator weapons to csm.
How do the heavy weapons stack up so far?
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>>54314861
Not bad, they're popular right now because they also function as a 48" 1d6 shots bolter in a pinch and they're almost as good as a lascannon for your purposes.

If you have a lot of CSM you might consider converting 5 of them into a 4 man missile launcher team of havocs for extra help popping stuff like vehicles.
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>>54314689
>How many flyers is that

6 vultures
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>>54314841
Pretty good. Shame breachers are sub-par in the index but heres hooping the codex will fix that.
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>>54314854
yeah, I had that 'holy requisitioner' formation and I regret building them like that. I think I'm at least gonna change one squad to the heavy arc rifle.

>>54314855
It's my full list, I use it to make smaller lists sometimes but i usually try to play with it all at once.
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>>54314841
>all the fancy names
???
But either way, Kataphrons are garbage. Also dump the Ballistarii and get yourself a squad of Rangers with triple Transuranic Arquebuses.
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>>54314894
me too man, me fucking too.
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>>54314915
>get yourself a squad of Rangers with triple Transuranic Arquebuses.

He's already got one, and really Ballistarii aren't that bad, it'll probably do more than the kataphrons.
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>>54314915
I like naming my units, what can I say?
A second squad of rangers? Those Balistarii have saved my ass on many occasions, wouldn't trade them for the world. Kataphrons are usable if you keep them next to Cawl
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>>54314841
>>54314915
Oh wait, you already have one. Didn't see that.
In that case, give the Arc Pistol Vanguard Alpha a CC weapon. And try to fill it up to 2000 pts, no one plays at 1850 anymore. Grab another Onager?
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>>54314933
Kataphrons are kind of a points sink imo. Onagers are so much better.

And give your Ruststalkers transonic razors + chordclaws. No point with the blades because the whole point of them is to dish out mortal wounds. Chordclaw gives you D3 mortal wounds for each roll of 6 that you get.
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>>54314934
> give the Arc Pistol Vanguard Alpha a CC weapon
I was actually recently considering taking all the weapons off my Vanguard alphas and giving them their radium carbines back
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>>54314933
Personally I'd wait for the codex before making any major changes or purchases unless you just want to get a couple of new units you don't already have to try them out.

I have a vague hope that the codex will improve a bunch of units but for now we're stuck with pretty much every list discussion ending up being "Cawl, Dakka Kastelans, Neutron Onagers, and maybe some electropriests and disposable skitarii"
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>>54314945
They're fully painted or else I would. I know the other loadout is better. Hindsight 20/20
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>>54314952
To me it depends if you're running them as 5 or 10 man squads. with only 5 its a waste but 10 man will most likely see CC.
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>>54314952
I would highly suggest doing so. Pretty much all the pistols are shit and if find it rare that my skitarii even survive the initial round of assault.
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>>54314952
That's definitely an option. Hard to beat an assault 3 gun with a pistol.
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Orks are strong as fuck now

teleporting a squad of 30 boyz across the table each turn is nothing to scoff at
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>>54314957
are Kastelans good this edition? I've been kinda wanting to paint that datasmith for a while.
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>>54314966
But it is something to shoot at and that's where the whole thing comes apart on you
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>>54314977
9 inch charge and they can reroll

Id like to see an army that can deal with 30 orks appearing in their backyard each turn while 2 gorkanauts are lumbering ip the field towards them
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>>54314974
A lot of people are running 6 of them because putting out 100+ S6 AP-2 shots that ignore cover bonuses is bonkers right now.
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>>54314966

It's good but gets weaker the larger the game is due to psy limitations

at 500pt 60 boyz with nobz and a weirdboy is pretty much unbeatable.
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>>54314985
Anyone in the game?
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>>54314999
t. someone who hasnt played against orks this edition
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>>54314988
100+??? fuck I need to get my index
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>>54315007
t. wishful thinking
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>>54315018
6 bots can fire 108 shots to be exact. With full heavy phosphor blasters each bot fires 9 shots, protocols let them fire twice.

You get a lot of dakka.
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>>54315018
To give you an idea Protector Protocol gives you x2 shooting phases. Full phosphor gives you 6 shots. Assuming you only take 2 bots that's 24 shots. And that's the bare minimum of 2 bots.

>>54315036
Fires 12 shots not 9.
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>>54315021
at 2k i can put down 2 gorkanauts each with a big mek inside repairing d3 per turn, a weirdboy and 120 boyz with enough left over for a trukk full of tankbustas
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>>54315036
oh shit hahaha I might have to actually buy a box, I don't wanna fuckin paint 6 of them tho
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>>54315049
Cute. Try bringing it against an army sometime.
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>>54314988
shooting boops suck if the opponent knows how to stop them punchy ones are where it's at
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>>54315047
>>54315036
Oh wait fuck I didn't realize you could take 3 heavy phosphors. Holy fuck that's even more dakka.
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>>54315047
No it's 9, heavy phosphors fire 3 shots. Each bot can have 3 heavy phosphors.
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NEW THREAD WHEN FFS
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>>54311223
is this warhammer capalaba?
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>>54315067
So that would be 36 shots from 2 bots. Jesus christ. That's some top tier infantry rape right there.
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>>54315059
I have, ive tabled necron players, an eldar player, and won a dozen other games against assorted armies.Ive only lost once in 15 games and it was to guard
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>>54311223
Fat dude looks like he's making the jacking off motion

Cuz that nerdy chick is hot as fuck
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>>54315088
Only down side is they can't move when doing it but if you position correctly that's not a huge issue.
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>>54315089
>dreams of being human
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Is getting +1S to S4 melee even any good? Should I not even bother unless it's S6 or S7 or something? I remember there's certain S numbers that are good due to hitting the next tier of To Wound against the most common targets.
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>>54312414
You can use a very fine point sharpie or similar to due the marking for diamonds instead of painting the black lines. It's much easier and you paint the diamonds in anyway so you don't have to worry about it coming off
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>>54315093
>Only idiots anchor their Stormsurges

ONLY FOOLS ENGAGE PROTECTOR PROTOCOLS

BEEP BOOP ACTIVATE AEGIS DEFENSE MATRIX
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>>54315108
wounding marines on 3's is great. strength 6-7 is bad
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>>54315100
Fite me IRL and not online and see what happens git
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>>54315047
Now that I think about it you're thinking of the Incendine combustors, but considering they're d6 shots at 12" I'd rather just take the Heavy phosphor and always have consistent fire at a longer range that ignores cover.
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>>54315108
the only strengths you care about are 5 and 8
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>>54315088
>220 points for 36 shots bs 4+ is good against horde

yeah no
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>>54315122
No I thought you could only take 2 Phosphors, didn't realize you could take 3 of them on a single bot.
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>>54315133
Not all infantry is hordes.
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>>54315117
IIRC anchoring stormsurges was a bad idea mostly because if they got tank shocked they were instantly destroyed because they were technically unable to fall back.

>>54315133
AdMech has very easy access to re-rolls.
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>>54315141
so just tells use you are talking about MeQ then, because it will sucks against everything else
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Reminder that a squad of 5 Deathwing Knights with Belial, an Ancient and a Champion can reliably take out Magnus the Red in a single turn. Take an Apothecary if you're worried Magnus will get the charge,
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>>54315147
reminder that 6 Quadfusioncommander will btfo your entire 3k points of deathwing in 1 turn
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>>54315147
>Thing that cost more beats thing that doesnt cost as much
Wow really?
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>>54315133
his

for the same points a unit of boyz is doing 63 shots, and thats before they charge and do 3 attacks a piece
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>>54315152
>i can't believe it's this eternally assblasted taufag again
>>54315156
My brain's still living in 7e where Magnus is 650pts. Fuck.
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>>54315119

Okay thanks. So S5 and S8 are the good numbers or something? S6 should be good vs. T3 then shouldn't it?
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>>54315164
With 63 shots the bozy are hitting even fewer hits, doing fewer wounds, and you're assuming they're even in range to charge.
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>>54315184
i know theyre in range because a weirdboy just teleported them there :^)
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>>54306223
>>54306223
>>54306223
New thread
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>>54315196
What, 30 of them? Shit man that's terrifying, whatever will my screen do?
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>>54315196
>9" charge
I know Orkfags aren't particularly smart but you realize that they only have a 50% chance of doing it even with rerolls right?
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>>54315206
Quiet down abhuman
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>>54315212
>>54315196
They also get to fire overwatch twice, too
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>>54315206
nice try faggot. Reported
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>>54315212
All the while getting shot to hell because the bots can fire overwatch twice as well.
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>>54315212
>50% chance of getting a full boyz squad into combat turn 1

Id buy that for a dollar
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>>54315227
You also have to get the power off.
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>>54315225
Why charge you when I can utterly btfo you with 6QuadFusion commander amd you will only be killing drones.
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>>54315235

Command rerolls
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>>54315236
What exactly do you intend to kill with only 24 shots? Reality check: your shitty melta gun is only assault 1.
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>>54315246
any single kastelan fags
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>>54315243
It still drops it below 50% chance to succeed. It's not a bad strategy, but it's not some unbeatable combo.
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>>54315255
That's cool, your 960pt commanders just killed about 200-600pts of heavy support. Wow, how will I ever recover.
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YOUR LIST SUCKS MORE THAN MY LIST
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>>54315221

SAVAGE
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>>54313707
Shame that DA still can't field centurions.
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>>54315295
Good armies don't bring bad units
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>>54315265
I know he memes this up in every thread but at the same points value the Kastelans would annihilate all of his shield drones well before he even got into range.
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>>54315295
We don't need Centurions. Our entire Death/Ravenwing selection BTFOs the need for them.
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>>54315304
That's ignoring the fact that we also have shit like Neutron Onagers and Las Balistariis. 6 models on the table are not going to survive Onager + Kastelan spam, especially if his guns are only 18". Looks like someone's getting thrown into a volcano again.
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>>54315266
YOUR SUCKS THAN MORE LIST MY
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>>54315265
yeah. in a turn.
5 turns remaining
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>>54315304
>>54315319

Read up Manta Strike faggot.
Also, you shield with gundrones and bodyguards, not shield drones
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>>54315319
6 models with 60 auto ablative wounds
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>>54315345
>>54315349
And you have no more drones or bodyguards because they just got ripped to shreds by 36 phosphor blaster shots. Now let's see if your precious fusion blasters can deal with my 48" heavy D3 neutron lasers. On yeah and did I mention that at 1K points I'm highly unlikely to field Kastelans in the first place? I just bring about 2 or 3 neutron onagers really.
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>>54311223
My GF is playing Crones and Aelves and another girl is playing Nurgle Daemons both in 40k and AoS
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>>54315174
yeah but 50% of the game is marines. if your meta is eldar, sure
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>>54315353
At toughness 4 you're going to have a hard time dealing with about 50-60 radium carbine shots every turn depending on whether or not I spend points on special weapons. And then there's my Galvanic rifle rangers too hiding at the back. Why are Taufags always so desperate to prove themselves?
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>>54315349
You've got to deploy half of those units on the table at the start. Either your drones are going to be well away from where they can help or half your commanders are dead turn one.

>>54315353
>60 wounds
The drones are 1W each and at around 1k points he's only able to bring about 20 of them.
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NEW THREAD WHEN
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>>54315349

You better have an actual Manta next to the gaming table or you're not allowed to deep strike.
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>>54315235
Manifesting on 4+ because theres a unit of thirty boys within 6". you goof
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>>54315383
that list is 2k faggit.
At 8 point/gundrone, i dont even need commanders to btfo you at 1k
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>>54315417
>worthless drones
>worthless commanders
>worthless army
>worthless faction
>worthless race
Why even bother posting? It's just sad.
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>>54315411
>ASSBLASTED FAGGOT ETERNALLY BTFO, NO RECOVERY IN SIGHT.
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>>54315417
At 2K you're going to be dealing with a lot more than just a bunch of onagers or kastelans. Those 24 shots will at best kill 1 or 2 squads each turn.
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>>54315417
If we're scaling this up to 2k you're getting even more btfo since you're going to have to go through several screens to even get close to being able to manta strike 9" near anything worth shooting the commanders at.
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WHY IS THIS THREA STILL A THING
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>>54315447
>>54315447
>>54315447
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>>54315227
against a unit of screening Space Marine scouts (or even better yet Assault Marines with flamer spam)? do it. i am begging you to. in fact you have to do it because the lascannon spam (let's say 8) behind the screens is taking your Gorkanauts apart in the meantime. all backed by Kantor who gives rerolls to hit, of course.
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>>54315501
Flamers don't work against it because they're 8" and he deepstrikes 9" away. 10 man Sternguard with stormbolters will rip him a new asshole though. Still he's got a terrible chance of actually fucking making the charge.
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