Half-orcs shouldn't exist

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Agree 100%.

Half-orcs implies racemixing, and that should never be acceptable.

>>54303563
>>54303587
What part of Fantasy did you not understand?

>>54303606
What did he mean by this?

In a lot of western rpg stuff the line between half orc and orc has blurred a lot. It's strange when I play a jrpg and an orc is closer to a fucking ogre or something.

>>54303615
Okay I'll say it in a way you understand.
Fuck you I'll play what I want.

>>54303687
But really, what did he mean by this :^)

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>his setting has non-evil orcs.

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>>54303728
I am Alpharius

>>54303747
Holy shit, Crag, you actually tripfag on /tg/? I have no respect for you anymore.

>>54303759
No, I am Alpharius

>>54303563
I treat half-orcs as sort of a not-evil (or at least not inherently evil) Uruk-hai.

In a few settings I've seen (and at least my own) orcs tend toward basically being evil people. Maybe a bit stronger or naturally cunning, yeah, but not usually larger or stronger enough to note much of a stat difference.

But at least in D&D (which is the only game I've seen where half-orcs are playable, so I'm using it as the standard and fucking sue me) half-orcs are stronger and tougher on average than people. And their art usually depicts them as taller and heavier.

So I always just figured that mixing men and orcs created something larger and tougher than either. This is of course ignoring settings that use Blizzard or GW greenskins.

>>54303563
>D&D
>getting rid of long time staples

>>54304043
That's no cause for pride

>>54303563
Agreed

>>54303563
The big issue with non-evil Orcs in D&D nowadays comes from 5E being set in Forgotten Realms, where orcs are confirmed evil by nature. In one of the newer Drizzt books, Drizzt speaks with his god Mielikki and his wife/priestess of Mielikki Cattie-Brie, where they confirm that Orcs are creations of an evil god, and are born evil.

>Orc on human rape doesn't happen

They'll end up just lumped in with orcs, kind of like what happened to the black-Irish

>>54303563
I agree that orcs should be a phb race, but I think half-orcs are also a valid inclusion for the reason half-elves are: the ''child of two worlds'' thing can be really compelling.

You wouldn't necessarily need a whole race for them either: half orc could easily be a subrace of orc or human.

>>54304092
So in FG, what you're saying is that the answer to the Orc Baby Dilemma is that it's okay, even for a paladin, to kill an orcish child?

I just like non-cartoonish orcs.

>>54303747
Orcs have been potentially Neutral since 0e.

>>54303563
LOL Gygax did not want you to play evil. HEEEEEEEE!!!!! first adventure I made as a Half-orc Assassin. Both the class and race went away when the wife took over and got rid of all the evil stuff. LOL. The half orc was so you could be evil and not be a kill on sight race

>>54304584
>Letting your wife/gf play games with you

Only gays should let their SOs play with them.

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BTW only Humans and half-orcs were allowed to pick assassin class

>>54304625
Gygax wife took the company from him - made 2nd AD$D removing all the "evil" . She went to the point of renaming demons to make the Born Agains happy.

>>54303563
Halfbreeds in general are fucking awful. Remove half-orcs and remove half-elves, or at least add some half-dwarves and whatever so it looks more like worldbuilding and less like fetish crap.

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>>54304625
You clearly do not know any gaming history. I would look it up. It should be a good read

>>54304728
Use Mul from dark sun for half-dwarfs

And while I do dislike both half-elf and half-orc, I also hate all non drow elf and orcs...But I like some half-breeds, like lizardfolk dragonborns and aasimar kobolds - because I am a gm that fucks with his players sometimes.

>>54304710
>>54304780
Oh now this sounds interesting.

>>54304728
I like half races having their own names atleast, because they aren't all human hybrids either

>>54304728
I give you that there should be half-dwarves

>>54304584
>HEEEEEEEE!!!!!
>LOL
What the fuck is wrong with you? Kill yourself.

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I'll just leave this here.

>>54304799
There are, at least in Dark Sun, they are race of slaves that never tire and are all bald and sterile

I always felt that not only should there be half dwarves in the core game, there should be sub races for the half races that allows for handling or gnome parentage. I want my small half orcs damnit.

>>54304807
>"I am Son Orku! I am insane! From Earth!"

>>54303563
Depends on the setting cunt.

Where's Spongebob when I need him?

>>54304807
>such as gnolls

Slander, Demogorgon is gud boi, he dindu nuffin! Gnolls are a caring and generous race.

>>54305291
I'll never get why furries here latch on to gnolls so much. They've always been demon worshiping baby eating monsters. There has to be better things to fap to out there

>>54305599
They found out female hyenas have dicks

>>54305599
Agreed, beholders are the real bestbois.

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>>54303563
this is why i always rename half-orcs to Lowland-Orcs.

>>54304728
>shortstack
>not fetish crap
>not my fetish crap

>>54303563
I think I agree. I think half orcs shouldn't be. If there are half orcs they should be hated by both races and shunned.

>>54303747
>Following the LOTR shitty precedent.
What a unoriginal faggot. LOTR is trash and all of the precedents it set only fucked the realm of fantasy.

>>54304313
What part of "you gotta smite ALL the evil, boy" don't you understand?

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>>54303747
>he tripcodes on /tg/

>>54305599
I'll never get why retards here latch on to the "if you play a gnoll you must be a furry" meme so much. Does the furry boogeyman really dominate your thoughts so much that you see them even when they don't exist?

>>54303563
Agreed

>>54304043

Filtered.

>>54304043
Grow up.

>>54304313

Yep, and because that baby didn't worship any god, it goes to the Wall of the Faithless. Crying for all eternity, just crying. And think of all the orc babies, just hanging on it, crying. You thought it was bad with just a bunch of atheists hanging off it, but now you realize it's ten times worse.

>>54304728
>Half dwarves
>Not fetish crap

>>54309324
Actually, there's a specific good angel takes all the dead babies in the lore.

>>54303587
Well, that didn't take long.

>>54303587
>Half-orcs implies racemixing, and that should never be acceptable.

Snu-snu's always acceptable anon
Nothing wrong with a big, muscular, green beauty pounding a low level would be adventurer fucboi's pelvis to dust before forcing him to be her househusband as you're half-orc's backstory
And unless noted otherwise, I assume that's the backstory for every half-orc when I DM

>>54304807
So Orcs are outright evil and warlike, and at best they are near violent sociopaths

>>54304043
8years and nobody knows you.
Bet you get filtered more then hfy threads.

I just say fuck it and make up an excuse for half-orcs to exist that has nothing to do with orcs (which I only include if I've given up and opted to run the lowest common denominator who gives a shit anyway kitchen sink fantasy). Of course if the core book of the system I'm running doesn't include half-orcs then this isn't a problem because I'm actually running something worthwhile.

>>54304043
literally who

>>54303563
Most obnoxious in 4th edition, where they didn't want to get close to mentioning or implying 'rape', and apparently had issues just impling that sometimes orcs and humans get together, and yet still couldn't bring themselves to just call the statblock 'orcs'.
So, we have to pretend that FUCKING HOBGOBLINS vat-grew them all back in the 'glory days' of the FUCKING HOBGOBLIN EMPIRE.

>>54303563
I'm fine with half orcs so long as there are also haf dwarves, or orc dwarves or quarter orcs or quarter elves or quarter dwarves and the like, no reason only half orcs should be singled out as special.

>>54303563
>always relies on either a rape backstory, or a "child of two worlds" cliche?
i fail to see the problem

>>54303563
#NOTALLORCS
Orcs are just known to be more aggressive and that aggression comes in handy when being a member of a warband, either it be a Merc Company or a Bandit...Band so >rape backstory Is going to be your main backstory because most orcs are fighters and that profession is not exactly a nice one
Besides if you have an orc raised by orcs he will 100% be raised to be a warlike sociopath
tl:dr>>54314693 this

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>>54312721
It's pretty telling and arrogant regarding humanity that people are fine with a supposed unabashed evil race suddenly becoming open to other aliments the second a drop of human blood is on the line. I mean think about that on racial terms, that's basically people being fine with the same principles behind the Mischling Test.

And if people really are fine with it both in terms of what that says about their game systems IRL or in games with alignments in general, then it is the duty of every good and proper human paladin and players therein to rape as many orc women or monsters (or any hard aligned evil race that can produce halfbreeds) as possible because their half-human spawn wouldn't automatically be considered evil in said alignment systems. Rape for the good of the orc race, for the betterment of relations between all monstrous peoples, for the sake of the children, rape.

>>54314681
Wow that sure does sound like unnecessary bloat.

>>54314897
No more then what I see across from my table every session.

>>54303673
This has happened everywhere. Even Warcraft film and latest expansions for example have made orcs closer to ogres. If you watch the Reign of Chaos opening cinematic, the orc fighting the knight looks bigger and stronger, but not by that much. Orcs in the warcraft film are literally punching horses to death etc.

>>54314681

Like someone said, there are the Mul's for half-dwarves, but they are kind of setting specific, as the are mostly slaves trained as soldiers or gladiators from birth.

I am sure orc-elves are pretty much killed drowned at birth in all settings and universes, and dwarf-orcs has never happened because these two races have never been in a harmonious relationship.

Imo half-orcs should be rare, more rare than half-elves, and should either have an intricate backstory of wh they are where the are, or they have formed their own communities as cast-outs. Or better yet, they are third class citizens in orc society.

>>54303587
fpwp

>>54303587
It more than implies it.

>>54312504
To be fair, if OP is gonna make a shitty bait thread, I wouldn't be surprised if someone responds with bait almost immediately.

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>>54303563
>>54303620
>>54303635
>Add pointy ears to handsome human a call it an Elf
>Add tusks to handsome human and call it a Half-Orc
>mfw people with no creativity did the same thing to Orcs that they did to Elves.

>>54314786
IRL mid 90's Balkan's my dude. Truth is really much more evil than fiction.

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>>54306660

>t. Edge

>Having Warcraftized Orcs

Keep out the Dindus, please.

>>54305117

Suddenly, screaming a challenge at your enemies seems a lot more like powering up.

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>>54303563
Sometimes you want to woo a green cutie without going full native, anon.

>>54314786
Yeah, except 2e D&D actually outright specified the "always evil" is culture rather than biology.

Dragon Magazine had an article saying that Orc and Goblin mothers often take their kids and abandon their tribes to find refuge in good-aligned churches and their children end up of any alignment.

>>54303563
Modern orc players are ALWAYS fetishists or spergs who just want to smash things without fail.

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>>54320033
>Not going full native

Why play Fantasy unless you're going to bring civilization to savages?

>>54305599
Because, just like orcs, there's always been lore stating that not all gnolls are evil. Heck, traditionally, gnolls have even more excuse to be not-evil: they were created by a Neutral God and then misguided into worshipping Yeenoghu, whereas orcs were made by the Evil God Gruumsh.

>>54314646
Except, y'know, the very next sentence is literally saying another possibility is that they're the result of consensual sexing between barbaric human tribes and barbaric orc tribes.

Plus, hobgoblins have been empire-seekers literally since they were designed. Even back in AD&D, that was their difference from Orcs, who were originally Lawful Evil but tended to be enslaved by other races.

>>54317524
We also have non-mul Half-Dwarves in Dragonlance. And Kingdoms of Kalamar has both Half-Dwarves and Elf-Orcs as PC races.

>>54320033
>Not going full snu snu
Shit tastes

>>54314646
No, you can instead say that the blood of the god Gruumsh transformed humans into half-orcs.

Do you have an issue with fantasy, or something?

>>54317682
>>Add pointy ears to handsome human a call it an Elf
Yeah, you should just have the handsome human without pointy ears.

>>54312622
Sometimes I assume wild, passionate, violent muscle-sex between said green beauty and the mighty warrior who earned her affection by being able to keep up with her. But mostly we're on the same page.

>>54303563
>play D&D
>use reason and logic

pick one.

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>>54303747
>his setting has black-and-white "evil races" and "good races"

>>54322301
>Everything has to be grey just like my life

CRAWLING IN MY SKIIIIIIIN
THESE WOUNDS THEY WILL NOT HEEEEAAAALL

>>54322638
Hit that strawman again, I think you've got him on the ropes.

>>54304728
Anon, anything is fetish crap now. Even straight up elves and halflings are dismissed as 'waifus' and 'shortstacks.' Normal humans can be fetish crap if the GM is twisted enough.

There are so many areas of grey that go along with 'fetish crap' that eventually worrying about it will keep you from enjoying anything at all.

>>54305599
Probably just because they aren't used in games as much as orcs or hobgoblins or goblins and aren't as large a part of popular culture (through books and videogames including them), so people can develop their own ideas about them and what they should/should not be like.

Most settings have elves, and if you go too far away from what are considered usual depictions of elves, either as standard haughty magic folk or fae babysnatchers, it starts to feel weak, like you're attaching a name to something that isn't elves. The ideas resound too strongly with it. Gnolls don't have that many popular ideas to resound to, at least compared to orcs or drow or somesuch, so they seem more flexible.

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>>54322752
Well the words clearly hit you hard enough to make you reply again with a faux-snarky ''I am totes not mad''-post.

>>54303747
>his setting has good and evil

The Lord of the Rings ruined everything for everyone. We could have been enjoying us some sword and sorcery action, but instead some asshammer linguist had to ruin it with his simplistic, feel-good narrative of good overcoming evil.

If only Ersnt Junger had written fantasy instead of Tolkien.

>>54323052
And clearly my response hit you hard enough to make you do the same and add an anime picture. That means I'm winning.

>>54304710
Yeah, no, the Blumes and Williams ruined TSR.

>>54303563
Why do you give a shit which races are in the PHB?

You want to allow orcs or hobgoblins or whatever, just do so.

You don't want to allow dragonborn or Drow or half orcs, then don't.

>>54304092
Heroic orcs sometimes come from oboulds kingdom.
And that's before you get into how at this point, drizzt aside, all of the eilistraee worshipping Drow and all of the Drow without fiendish heritage were transformed into brown skinned surface elves - non evil Drow are practically nonexistent at this point.

Playable orcs make perfect sense, even if they are mostly evil.

>>54314775
>A subset of orcs belonging to a state first formed a century ago by the legendary Obould Many-Arrows differ from the majority of their kin in cultural attitudes. While most orcs are warlike and savage the orcs of Many-Arrows, ruled over by KingObould XVII, are remarkably civilized, to a point that has made their neighbors curious. These orcs maintain a tenuous peace with thedwarvesofMithral Halland the other races inLuruar, though many suspect war could break out at any moment should the delicate balance between the races be upset.[15]It is from this region that the most unusual kind of orc sometimes emerges - heroes.[11]

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>>54323056
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>>54303563
The reason they shouldn't exist is because no human woman would willingly fuck this.

>>54323742
Human women willingly fuck Muslims, so it's not too much of a stretch.

>>54323844
But they don't go as fucking you, so I don't know, it seems pretty far-fetched.

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>>54323884

>>54323742
>willingly
noe you understand why rape fetishists love orcs

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>>54324500
That's why humans in the setting are totally justified in exterminating orcs.

Anyone thought about Orcs in like a Napoleonic-Victorian setting? Maybe driven to parts of the world where the powerful human nations have driven Orcs only into places where they haven't been able to expand their influence? I was thinking something like how the Russians fought intermittent struggles with the Muslim nations they conquered in the mountains, on the very fringes of their empire.

>>54323884
>>54323844

>implying women fuck Muslims willingly

>>54303563
Warcraft did not create non-evil orcs. Just the opposite, theirs are a bunch of dindus.

But I tend to agree that half-elves and half-orcs are extraneous and just kinda pointless.

>>54303805
He always has.

>>54304092
What is better... Someone born good or someone fighting there very nature to do evil

>>54323742
If you have hope that a woman will ever willingly and eagerly consent to having sex with you, do you really have any room to throw shade at an Orc?

>>54325319
>>54323884 beat you to it.

>>54325150
They overwhelmingly vote for politicians who will import huge numbers of muds so that they can do exactly that.

>>54323052
>>54323131
You're both fucking retards.

kys

>>54325244
Still can't believe anyone would vote for someone as fucking moronic as him.

>>54325641
Vaginas will vote for anyone with a pretty face, no matter what stupid shit they've said and done. Universal suffrage was a mistake.

>>54305291
Don't Gnolls worship Yeenogu or something?

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>He doesn't waifu orcs

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>>54320281
2nd edition has been irrelevant for thirty years my dude. Show me a sidebar about this in 3.5 or Pathfinder for a better argument. Regardless, taking that church bit into account for orcs, how about demons and devils? Those automatically aligned evil races just create Devilkin or Tiefling, explicitly not always evil once a human gets involved. Seems the argument stands. So it would be in the best interest of good aligned races everywhere to bag as many demons and devils as possible to dilute such automatically evil aligned races. It would only be a net-gain for the good alignment.

>>54325168

>dindus

You mean Warcraft 3 and its contempoary lore?

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>>54327834

>cuck

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>>54323547
Evola actually had interesting ideas about society, history, philosophy, metaphysics and art though, whereas that anon wouldn't know interesting if it pounced on him and tore his face off. He's just struggling to come to terms with a world were dark gritty game of thrones knock offs are the cliche and pulp fiction isn't actually that obscure. People like high fantasy, and someone was going to fill that need.

>>54303747
Orcs have free will just like anyone else. Gruumsh whispers sweet nothings in their ears so at the very least they're way more prone to being chaotic and somewhat prone to being flatout evil and sadistic.

But they're not like fiends. Every race has both evil and good in it.

>>54306660
To be fair the new Shadow of Mordor games really unfucks the "standard" lore a lot and gives the baddies pretty vibrant personalities.

>>54320330
>dat comic
Damn, man.

>>54303563
agree 100%. in my games I just refer to them as orcs.

>>54329545
>YFW it's canonical in some lore that ambitious female orcs will sometimes go out of their way to seek out spell casters, healers, or just well educated human males to enslave and snu snu until they can't snu snu anymore because they know that while the resultant half-orc is less likely to make it to adulthood, it's WAY more likely to grow up to be a shaman, sorcerer or otherwise in a strategic leadership position in the tribe if it makes it to adulthood

>>54314786
That gives me an idea for an order of racist "holy" warriors who follow a religious doctrine called "Alignment," where they interpret the morality of nonhuman races as you say, leading to an age of raping and cultural assimilation in the name of their goddess, Isis. Good job, anon!

>>54304807
so orcs are saiyans?

I just always run Half-Orcs as Orcs. No half-race bullshit in my games.

>>54323056
If only tolkien had died in WW1 instead of the nightlands guy.
Truly, we are trapped in the darkest timeline.

>>54323216
>Blumes and Williams ruined TSR
One I like the fact in the new history that Gygax was "forced" into Hollywood. Sending a LOT of money on trying to be one of the in people. History can be how you see it and talk to. I been told for years by many people he was married to that women.

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>>54323742
I can see it

>>54327941
You kill evil, not make some what less evil kids with it LOL

>>54303563
F**k this shit! My orcs are 5ft hairy thick humanoids, with boar-like features, a massive inferiority complex ad always and absolutelly EVIL!

>>54303563
I agree. But to be fair, anytime WotC tries to change anything, a lot of their fans scream about it, so that's probably why it hasn't been changed.

>>54325523
>if i claim both aides of a conversation are stupid i'll look smart!
Sorry anon, that's not how it works

>>54304278
You could just have a template or chart allowing you to make half races of any of the core stuff, instead of having them as separate races. That would seem more interesting to me.

>>54314646
Haha, is that true?

>>54332300
Game/systems I seem do that everyone is 1/4 of 4 races or the other end were they are so weal sauce no one plays them. It only works in point buy systems

>>54332626
....weak sauce....sorry bad selling

>>54303747
Eberron is fucking rad tho senpai

>>54306764
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>>54331732
Raping evil is more permanent for devils and demons. Unless you kill one on their home turf, they just come back. But popping a bunch of soft-alignment kids out of a hard alignment race? That's only a a gain because you by default create less evil by doing so.

A community of five succubi and and five goodly paladins creates multiples of children not automatically evil and their own kids further create more children not automatically evil, so soon enough those five succubi are in the minority.

>>54329794
This already sort of happened in 2nd Ed. Due to the Detect Evil or Detect [insert alignment here] spells that existed back then. All a cleric or paladin would have to do is use one of those spells, on say, a crowd, and proceed in murdering whoever wasn't kosher, and no one could argue against it because fuck you I'm smiting evil!

>>54332647
Best Drow variant in D&D, I have yet to hear a serious refute to this.

>>54303563
I'm just using the half-orc statblock and calling them pigmen.

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>>54336464
>Pig Orcs
Best fantesy orcs.

>>54322638
I never said that, it's just that sometimes the players want races that aren't inherently evil. Just like, you know, real people. No need for morally grey shit, just showing that some dwarves can be evil, and orcs and even goblins can be good. Makes a world fun and turns the usual fodder races like orcs into more than meat walls the players need to bust through before getting to their rewards.

>>54338831
I think you mean worst

>>54338899
>orcs and even goblins can be good.

But they can be, it's just that from where humans, dwarves, elves, and gnomes are standing, Orcish virtues are a bit too much at best and repugnant and deserving of death at worst.

3.5 stripped all the moral ambiguity out of the fluff for a reason. That shit was wack. Sometimes you just need a carbon copy race to kill.

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>race mixing
>mixing with evil

If that doesn't call for an immediate serving of purge I don't know what does.

>>54342384

But Moors and Franks totally intermarried all the time and no one had any problems

Just do a fake conversion and BAM okay to bang

>>54342422
>moors
Got massacred pretty frequently because you need to do that shit in the middle ages.

>paladin purge squad deploys monk to search for evil
>slay several Orcs
>detect evil in a human womb
>slay

This is literally black and white.

>>54342450
>Got massacred pretty frequently

Yeah but that's just day to day stuff

>sacking a town

Massacre

>Influx of people from a different culture

Massacre

>Going to market

Massacre

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>>54317682

This totally looks like a human.

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>>54342495

That's just green batista with hair and tusks. And clothes.

>>54342461
Except it was literally
>be Christian or get the fuck out
or
>you have 5 years to get the fuck out
That is how you hard-conquer a radically different land in the time period.
And Orcs you can literally just sense the evil and purge them.

>>54342521
>"green"
>the orc in the pic is grey-skinned

What did he mean by this?

>>54342533

That's bullshit my eyes are fine

Tbh saying that half orca are only children of rape or "two worlds" as a stereotype is also true of half elves.

I feel like in any setting where there is human compatibility this should be nothing more than any stereotype in setting as well.

Just look IRL. The modern human race was the result of hybridization of the neanderthal and him sapiense, we bred into a homogenous species.

And then in modern times there are many half black and half white people. They aren't children of rape or locked in a two world ideology to the extreme

Eventually there will be enough half orcs or what have you from regular human and orc interaction that they won't be special snowflakes. Especially if orcs have a large and budding civilization.

>>54342547
2nd opinion- that orc really is grey, anon

>>54342522
>And Orcs you can literally just sense the evil and purge them

Detect evil only works on Outsiders, Undead, evil creatures with auras, or Clerics anon

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>>54342547

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>>54304807
>>54305117
>>54329987

>>54342583
Detect evil explicitly does not literally detect the moral good and evil, only a for which is labeled as good and evil.

A succubus who lives an honest life feeding babies will detect evil.
A celestial who genocides an innocent race will detect good.

>>54342635

That's what I said

>>54342635
Proof of this is that baby orcs detect evil despite it being impossible for them to comprehend or commit good or evil which are the result of intentional choices, not a state of being.

>>54342651
Man, there's no way a baby orc has enough hit dice to even remotely ping on the Detect Evil-o-meter.

Unless it has class levels. Or is half-infernal.

>>54342665
>infant with class levels
i sometimes like to min max too but come on

>>54342635
>Detect evil explicitly does not literally detect the moral good and evil, only a for which is labeled as good and evil.
Explicitly false, in both your examples the succubus and the celestial will detect as good AND evil, subtype will cause things to detect as alignment BUT so will actual alignment, in the event the actual alignment and subtype differ, by RAW answer to what it'll detect as is both

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Lineage 2 still is my favorite in terms of how orcs look. Just black dudes. Nothing too gimmicky.

>>54342374
>Orcish virtues are a bit too much at best and repugnant and deserving of death at worst.
If that's all your orcs are gonna be then yeah. I just personally think that unless Orcs became more civilized, they'd either fail and go extinct, or succeed and the entire world would be speaking orcish.

I prefer to just make orcs less like marauding barbarians and more like a society that gives high regards to military positions.

Anon, if a race can be fucked or can fuck a human, as per common sense, there should be a mix race between the two in fantasy.
Humanoid races with procreational features based on mammmals will always try to fuck anything they can find.

>>54343049

Yeah, but that's pretty much just sanitizing things so they fit more with your tastes. so that people empathize with them better. "Proud warrior race that valorizes martial ability" and all that.

I'm perfectly fine with them being "marauding barbarians". Stealing horses, making war on other tribes, counting coup, taking trophies and all that. It's a completely different kind of culture that's not compatible with, for lack of a better word, civilized people. So the civilized people have two choices - kill them all or civilize them.

>>54343145
Yeah, I just don't see how they'd survive outside of being separated by a very large body of water. If you try your luck too hard, people will just kill you, and if orcs have been acting like orcs for thousands of years, any other race can wipe them out. I genuinely don't care about empathy, and more about Orcs actually surviving through history

>>54342521
>And clothes.
You are going to jail for destroying my sides.

>>54343189
>and more about Orcs actually surviving through history

Well, they won't. Not those Orcs. At best they'll be reduced to tiny fraction of the original population, relegated to shitty land far from human and elven population centers, with their history mostly preserved through stories passed down through the generations.

>>54343235
>>54343189
Basically Orcs were just fine as long as it was just other Orcs, but when the humans came in things stop going so good for them.

>>54343235
>>54343253
Well, exactly. So you'd rather have them fuck off and die because of the backward ways, instead of having at least a select group of them to grow a brain and live in a society that works?

>>54343117
This is true. Hell, if/when we have our first contact with an alien race, fucking them will probably be one of the first things we want to do.

>>54343276

That depends. Keeping faith with the old ways sounds like an Orcish virtue. I'm sure some of them would adapt and integrate into human society, for better, or worse, others would refuse and relegate themselves to extinction for the sake of muh pride.

That assumes the humans would give them a choice. Bad faith negotiations, overwhelming military might, taking advantage of intertribal conflict to pit one tribe against the other (like Orcish scouts from one tribe working with a human expeditionary force going up against their hereditary enemies), all those things are against them.

Even then, the best one select group could do is flee to Canada.

>>54343317
>Canada.

... I mean, elf land.

>>54343317
I still just find it simpler for them to use their thinking heads. Human society changes a fuckton, why can't other races'? Not to mention that I just made orcs a subtype of elf.

I guess at this point you'd just go "why even bother call them orcs>" Well, I like athletic green women with a bit of tusk action going. I've been going with the same group for two years, so they let me do this shit

>>54343356

I tend to ditch demihumans completely because of all the preconceptions people have. It's the same problem with class names. The new Barbarian player in my group speaks in monosyllables. Why? I dunno. Because Barbarian.

Dare they enter my magical realm?

>>54317622
But OP actually has half a fair point. Why can't Orcs be playable?

>>54344045

They're playable in 3.0, 3.5, and 3.75!

>>54344045
GURPS allows Orcs in its Dungeon Fantasy line of books, with all of the obvious drawbacks - the biggest of which being considered a savage idiot.

>>54343444
I like having demihumans, I'll just fill in players whenever they take interest or talk about a certain race, if necessary. The system I use doesn't have classes, so I don't need to worry about that

I like how Wesnoth treats Orcs.
They're violent savages that put martial power over all else, and constantly raid the Human, Dwarven and Elven Kingdoms, but they have their own society and hierarchy and aren't completely evil. They're short tempered to a fault, but not necessarily evil.

>>54312622
>Househusband
>Hushusband
>Househouseband

>>54342384
>Posts a picture of a chevalier
>Is against race mixing

It is to laugh, knights stuck their collective dicks into every hole they could find

>>54344738
>Househouseband
Double domestic

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>>54303563
Nice picture op, except that's not an orc (seems more a black person with green skin and tusks)

<-- THESE are orcs!

>>54304784
>angelic kobolds
Scalie detected

>>54313999
He likes to draw vore art of obese tau

>>54320330
>faggy racemixing fetish garbage
Can I just get porn of swole orc girls in consensual sex with their lovers without some retarded narrative of wiping out the white man or femdom or, worst of all, futashit?

>>54347420
Oi, I just wanted to use aasimars in some way, and I do have a tribe of kobolds that are all warlocks of some sort of celestial entity, angenlic kobold idea came later as realisation of opportunity.

Also treants with angel wings sounds like a terrible idea.

>>54342566
>or locked in a two world ideology to the extreme
Au contraire, mon ami
Being actually halfwhite in a black community is hard enough, try being halfwhite but also having "white" interests, like books and music with instruments that isn't jazz and /tg/ shit