EDH/Commander General /edhg/

>>54293500
I avoid playing colorless staples like sadbot and instead play fun cards. Sometimes that added consistancy is missed but other times it causes hilarious explosive wins. When you remove staples you flex your deck building muscles and start finding new engines that can fuel your decks.

>>54293500
>Thread Question
Fuck, I dunno. I built Shu Yun cantrip tribal once, that was a fun time.

I've been thinking about building Locust God, since I've never tried tokens or Izzet before.
From what I can tell (after a some reading) Wheels, Anthems, Mana Rocks/Acceleration and (maybe) Counterspells to keep Locust God/Tokens on the field seems to be good themes.
Anyone Have any advice, tips, secret tech?

How do you make group hug and win? Enlighten me please.

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>>54293500
I made an Izzet Chaos deck with Nin on the helm.

Its hidden strategy was to put things to the board for free, so I can steal them with red/blue take control spells

>>54294020
From what i understand you just try and avoid hate while drawing into a combo or assembling pieces to go off. Your real goal should be to get more resources than you give out but imo it is not a very good strategy. If you like it then just go look at some primers but i think there are better things you can do.

>>54294016
I'm currently building ETB tech with, as you said, tons of wheels and some counterspells. Going Impact Tremors and Purphoros for kills. Got Lab Man in there as well for stupid wins. Mana Echoes is fucking retarded once you have a few insects lying around. I'm also going for Howling Mine style effects as well as Alhammaret's Archive and Consecrated Sphinx. Skullclamp is there for more drawan.

>>54293500
>What's the craziest deck you've ever built; the one that has fewer staples and more batshit never-used-elsewhere choices?
Progenitus 5 color tribal (i.e. the tribe is 5 color cards).

>How did it go?
It's... mediocre, honestly. Lots of bad cards that don't do anything, lots of mana issues, etc. It's fun alright, but I wouldn't call it good. It is also brand new and has only played two games so far, both of which it did alright in before losing to some bullshit (and nearly won one game, despite being Archenemy for like 6 turns), so it's not beyond hope.

>>54293500
I tried that card in my Rakdos, Lord of Riots deck, things get rather out of hand with both on the field.

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Was brainstorming what I would build Unesh like.
It's shit, not gonna follow through with it, not even gonna skim the shit down.

>Guy in LGS: "look at all these fake Chinaman cards in my decks! You can't even tell them apart"
>A month or two later: "Have you seen my rare binder? I think I lost it at the shop last week"
Is this karma?

>>54294342
>fucking 3 people pulled him on prerelease
>myself included
I just wanted a scarab god and I got shit that's barely playable in EDH.

>>54294369
It's like Sophocles Cliff Notes.

So how much do casuals hate land destruction?

>>54293500
Neheb went straight into Akroma, Angel of Fury. It's massive value with like half the stuff I jammed in there.

Is it stupid to run 4 signets in a 4 color deck. Should I do more, less, or all possible.

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>>54294401
Exactly as much as it should be hated.
>>54294447
2 colors = 1 signet
3 colors = 3 signet
4 colors = 6 signet
5 colors = 10 signet

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>>54294391
>tfw you just got done utterly annihilating your monoblack deck, duplicate monoblack deck, and esper deck for cards that work really well in scarab god

Gearhulks, Panham, Sepulchral Primordial, and ulamog's nullifier, so i can get multiple copies of the cards that are worth it at instant speed.

>>54294463
I only run the x/green signets in my 5c deck; but I also run a heavily green mana base / fixing package. I've found that it works more often than not.

is there any card that prevents creatures from getting counters?

I know i've seen a card like that around but i can't find it now no matter what i put into gatherer

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>>54294481

>>54294481
Solemnity.

>>54294481
Solemnity, it's from the newest set.

Are gatecrash boxes worth buying to try and get more shock lands?

>>54294503
No. The people who sell boxes know the odds and if they're any good at their job will sell boxes for more than the singles are worth on average. Might as well go to a real casino if you want to gamble.

>>54294464
I want the gearhulks for breya but damn the blue one is expensive. Standard needs to rotate already.

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I need advice on my Kaalia deck, particularly lands. I want to keep the manabase -relatively- budget, but part of me is saying "fuck it, I'm already probably spending at least 250 on this, might as well include good lands too".
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/20-06-17-kaalia-prototype/

>>54294627
>breya
Goddamn I'll be building that one for a while.

>>54294627
That ain't rotating for about a year.

>>54294627

I've been sitting on four of them ever since I stopped playing standard.

>>54294647
I know what i want to do with her its just getting all the pieces together thats taking a while.

>>54294717
Why did you stop? Also what deck even plays them with how expensive they are to cast?

>>54294737
Temur dynavolt was playing bluehulks. I just happened to have a blackhulk in my Gonti deck.

I stopped playing standard because I didn't like seeing the same decks over and over again- also, playing dynavolt decks during marvel / mardu standard was absolute suffering.

>>54294768
I gotcha. I guess when you have a card pool that small it gets kind of stagnant.

>>54294724
Mine's still on the drawing board. Not even sure which combos I want to include.

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>>54294875
I started with wanting the salvaging/blasting station packages and figured i may as well put eggs in as well. Right now im just looking to add alternate wincons and just other things i can put in for fun.

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>tfw your deck reaches 5000 views

Card draw in red? Is it just wheels?

>>54294486
>>54294487
>>54294500

fucking thanks!

>>54295105
Cathartic Reunion, Tormenting Voice ,
scorpion god in RB

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>yfw you just wan to play magic but your work schedule means you don't have friends so you just colect and make decks but haven't played a game in years but you still have nice boxes of worthless crap so I guess thats nice

>>54295105
There's the exile kind with outpost siege, commune with lava, Chandra pyromaster, and some others.

i wanna make an Ashling the Extinguisher deck but i want it to be Oppressive any suggestions

Just bit the bullet and spent $60 on shock lands for saskia.

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>>54295234

>>54295105
Skullclamp if you're playing tokens, mad prophet, humble defector. Adding a fork or reverbertate to any of these >>54295216 works really well.

>>54294644
not bad m8, but i'd remove some basics for a shimmering grotto and mirage fetches

>>54294644

For Kaalia in particular, you need lands that come into play untapped. Your general is all about coming out very early, and getting to swing in order to drop a large threat onto the board. The longer you delay that swing, the worse your deck will be. You need to ditch all your lands that come into play tapped, basics are better than they are. If you are willing spend some dosh on lands, fastlands and painlands are both good, as are City of Brass, Mana Confluence, & Cavern of Souls.

>>54295273
thx senpai will do

>>54295253
Good choice. Optimizing your land base is one of those things that seems pretty boring but serves you better in the long run since it makes things so much smoother.

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>>54293500
this is gonna be really good in neheb

they either block him and he deathtouches something, or they lose half their life and you btfo them with all that sick mana with an X burn spell.

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>Equipped creature gets +1/+1 for each land on the battlefield with the same name as the exiled card.

I'm gonna play this in my monogreen deck, green is the most common color in edh right?


also: any way to tutor for sorcery spells in green?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/rakdos-first-attempt/

My first time playing commander. any tips?

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>>54295539

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>>54295472
Also Planar Portal in colorless. I think green only tutors creatures and lands.

>>54295539
All depends on playgroup kouhai
You'll see a lot of people come in with real quick comments like "Should I this or that" and get ignored.
The game is dependent on way too many factors for people to take the time to throw out generalized ideas left and right.

It's all about what you're looking for.

That being said you're deck looks like it was throw together from shit you found lying around. A very aggressive early game deck that revolves around getting your commander out.
Since it's easy to shut down that kind of play style I'd recommend throwing in a Rift Bolt, can be really nice for getting Rakdos out on curve. Also more colorless creatures so you can drop them without having to worry too much about your mana.
Take your time and play around with it, see it's strengths and weakness and tune it in the direction you want it to go.

>>54295665
Thanks. I'm going to play it for the first time casually tomorrow, so any advice helps.

I wanna play some Selesnya. Should I make a Karametra, Selveta parley or wait for cat tribal?

>>54295691
Gaddock teeg hatebear/prison

>>54295539
Here's a few things to add:
>Forcefield
A strictly better Conservator. Yes, you will take 1 guaranteed damage, but the $200 price tag on this bad boy is worth it to hose those combo decks that end the game in a single alpha strike, and you have enough lifegain to offset this disadvantage. Also consider Rakalite and other damage prevention artifacts for maximum pillow fort.
>Razor Boomerang
Since you're in the BR burnfort archetype, you're gonna be lacking in card advantage compared to anything with blue. This can ping face infinitely given enough time and mana, and is a great mana sink when you're hellbent.
>Viashino Skeleton
A fine beater that can only be destroyed by the uncommon "can't be regenerated" clause of certain removal cards. Pitch your lands to it in the late game and your opponents will tear their hair out trying to figure out how to get rid of it.
>Tombfire
As Past in Flames and other flashback cards are often seen in Commander, you'll probably want to mainboard this hoser. I prefer this to Bojuka Bog simply because the tempo loss of a mono tapland simply isn't worth it, and there are better lands you can run in it's place anyways.

>>54295764
Stop responding to your own bait

Thoughts on building a new Neheb land destruction deck?

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>>54295787

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I want to build a deck based around all out attacking, but not just me. I want a deck where EVERYONE has to attack each turn, even if they don't want to. I want GrandMelee.dec. Who would be the best commander for this? I was thinking Gahiji for his whole "attack other guys for a buff" schtick and for access to GW, but I'm not sure.

>>54295472
wtf is going on in that art? it's like someone took a snapshot of their drunken nightmare

>>54295838
Fumiko.

>>54295838
Fumiko the Lowblood forces that state.

>>54295860
>In geology and related fields, a stratum (plural: strata) is a layer of sedimentary rock or soil with internally consistent characteristics that distinguish it from other layers. The "stratum" is the fundamental unit in a stratigraphic column and forms the basis of the study of stratigraphy.
Mirrodin has plenty of strange and wonderful artifacts and creatures. That's some kind of golem or simulacrum preforming some kind of task relating to the earth, probably with magic involved due to the scythe's nature.

>>54295838
Dont forget avatar of slaugher as well so everything has double strike, then add a furnace of wrath effect for double damage from all sources hell throw in everything that gives additional combat phases too, just have a fog effect for yourself and let the games begin

>>54294081
another anon here, i'm also building niv-cricket myself. I haven't pulled it off yet, but i'm trying to run a jank combo of mana echoes and well of ideas. all I have to do is instant speed draw spell and i can draw literally everything

side note, enter the infinite is mana expensive but pretty spicy with this guy

>>54294020
hug one guy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owwQJ1ZMSho

>>54295838
http://tappedout.net/mtg-card/oracle-en-vec/
http://tappedout.net/mtg-card/total-war/

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is this allowed with ashnods?

>>54296111
Correct

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>opened this bad boy from my only reward pack on prerelease
Someone up there knows i have a boner for black

>>54296267
>still love the colorshifted border
>It's just $10 cheaper than the judge gift program one or the fullart one

>>54296292
Foil planar chaos damnations are at the same price as invocations

>>54296341
Prices are fucked for some things
>Scion of the Ur-Dragon
>-$5
>foil
>+$50

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Auto-include in every B/G/x deck?

>>54296509
Yes

>>54296437
Hopefully we're getting it foil in the new precon

>>54296555
Those speculators would be so mad. Now I really hope for it, too, despite not really being interested in ever getting one.

>>54296509
Take it on a case-by-case basis.
The last sentence is just flavor text in Commander. 99% of the time it gets any two (non/basic) lands for 4G, up from explosive veggies which just gets basics at 3G. If you want to fetch a glacial chasm, dark depths, and so on, this does the trick. If you don't care, pass on it and just use veggies.

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>>54296509
>that second clause that you'll never trigger taking up all that space
My autism

>>54296629
>Take it on a case-by-case basis.
Well, yeah. That's why auto-include in B/G. It gets Urborg + Coffers.

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>>54296555
The leaks don't show Scion in foil. The three foil legendaries for the 5C dragon precon appear to be Ramos, O-Kagachi, and The Ur-Dragon.

>>54296668
Still no actual news about the other two decks other than Dragons and Cats?

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>>54296701
Nope. This is the only thing that popped up recently.

>>54296736
I just want angels or spirits...

>>54296761
But you already have Kaliaa
Don't you like having everyone hate you off the table and having to put completely degenerate shit in your deck just so you can win then realizing your deck is arguably a typical beater deck?

>>54296736
>>54296761
And I want Vampires

>>54296761

I would lose my shit if spirits are one of the tribes. esper would be sweet.

>>54296801
I want sneks

>>54296668
The fact that reprints always erase the watermark bothers me more than it should.

>>54296736
Goddamn if it didn't say "another" on the las ability it would be a fucking good commander

>>54296785
I feel like doing a single tribe kinda under utilizes that commander... But I could just be an idiot.

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>>54296841
He has some very powerful early pushing power since he buffs from the command Zone and his activated lets you scale well into mid game.
He's gonna be close to Isamaru in terms of early game aggression but still have the capability to be built for funsies.

So, I have Subjugator Angel and Sunblast Angel on the field and I play Ghostly Flicker to blink them
Would that destroy all my opponents creatures or, since they return at the same time, something different happens?

>>54294932
>tfw your dick reaches less

>>54297007
Yes, it destroys all your opponents creatures. Stack the triggers so subjugators effect resolves, tap all opponents crestures and after that sublasts effect resolves and destroys them.

>>54294932
Who cares about v(You)s anyway

>>54294644
Get rid of any slow lands. You want lands that can produce multiple colors, so you can get Kaalia fixed early, but you don't want them to come in tapped.

You also might want to think about putting in more instants and sorceries. It's unlikely to close a game out extremely quickly, at best you can usually just knock out one player on your first swing if you can get Master out there. After that initial slam, you have to play the control game until you can set up for another fatal swing. You can try to just muscle through people with big fatties but it's not a very reliable game plan, especially as your opponents get more competitive. Also, I strongly recommend removing Rakdos, Lord of Riots and replacing him with Rakdos the Defiler. Lord of Riots doesn't really help much since you rarely ever want to actually cast your creatures, especially not postcombat, whereas the Defiler is like a mini Master of Cruelties in that it can effectively knock one player out of the game. In general you should focus on creatures that have really impactful effects over ones that just hit hard, so things like Akroma can be cut (although I do love Akroma).

Here's my deck, for reference. I've been told it's pretty strong, so it might help you to look at it for ideas.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/13-07-17-kaalia-edh/

>people start trying to give upgrades to your tribal deck that arent on theme
Why are some people so dense??

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>>54297220

>asking strangers on the internet for advice on your gay tribal deck

>>54297228
I dont ask strangers on the internet advice on opinions. Im talking to people in real life and they keep trying to make me turn my fun tribal deck into a sweaty combo deck.

>>54296761
aetherborn

>>54297250
>i-i b-build bad decks on purpose i-i swear

Reminder that tribal commander decks and infinite combo decks are absolute pleb tier, real men play their commander as their only creature and have ways to deal lethal damage to all opponents at once.

>>54297250

You sound like a sperg to be honest.

>>54297272
t. Hidetsugu player

>>54297279
Actually I play Hope of Ghirrapur Voltron

>>54297268
>don't put staples in my deck
>"Why do you run ____ over ____, it's obviously STRICTLY better!"
Reminder to keep one Stax deck on hand just to make everyone miserable.

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>>54297272
Agreed :^)

>>54293500
/tg/ EDH General Discord
https://discord.gg/UE9Vqzu

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>>54297307

>haven't played in a few years
>come back
>Breed Lethality 124 dollidos
How does this happen every time?

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>tfw building big green guys and enchantments and the only non permanent is this card

>dosan the falling leaf as commander so everyone can just watch as shit out my entire library

>platinum angel
>akroma's memorial so they all get haste
>big hoofdaddy resolves last

>>54297316
How do you get that to resolve when you have no spells in your deck?

>>54294391
>barely playable
Mate, that plus heartless plus a x burn spell

>>54297315
>tfw got it for 35 on release day

Scalpers and wotc not printing enough of it I guess.

>>54297326
>How do you get that to resolve when you have no spells in your deck?

What are you saying?

>>54297315
According to EDHREC Atraxa is literally the most played general of all time, so there's your answer. It has a thousand more decks submitted than the closest generals to it, and scalpers take advantage of that.

>>54297326
You dump your deck on the battlefield

>>54297326
>may

>>54297316
Wouldn't you auto lose in the next turn b/c you have no deck left ?

>>54297377
>losing after resolving craterhoof

>>54297377
>if it's a permanent card you MAY put it onto the battlefield. IF you do repeat.

>>54297377
>next turn

>>54297338
>>54297357
>>54297363
Wasn't a question about the card or his deck but just how bad his opponents would have to be to let something like go through or letting things like Dromoka or similar enchantments stay on the field long enough for him to be uncontested.

>>54297393
You just wait for them to tap out, easy as that

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>>54297393
Hello, let me resolve in peace

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>>54297267
Why would you do this

>>54297417
They've already done cats, it's not like aetherborn is much worse.

>>54295225
Wage slavery is a bitch

>>54297433
I'm just taken back by how plausible it is..

>>54297433
UB Aetherborn?

>>54295838
Zurgo smashfucker voltron with Assault suit. Each opponent gets him on their turns and is forced to attack with him. Best part is that they can hit each other, but not you.

This keeps him constantly indestructible as well, and suit keeps him safe from sac effects.

You can also just jam the deck full of wrath effects to kill everything but Zurgo. Throw in cards like war's toll, grand melee, etc. as well

>>54297497
They'd have to be monoB. In any case, we aren't getting them.

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>>54297434
>replying to yourself since no one else is willing to consul you in the dead of night

>>54297338
>>54297349
Buying all the singletons of the deck only comes out to less than $80
I still don't get it.

>>54295838
I have a deck like this except it also pillow forts, sit back and watch the chaos, commander is Queen Marchesa and I just draw into good stuff. Goblin Spymaster is worth checking as it let's you choose not to attack still

>>54296761
>TFW want Elementals in 5C
Horde of Notions is shit.

>>54296437
It's because people collect dragons and Scion used to be one of the best EDH generals. EDH definitely drives foil prices.

>>54295691
You should take out a loan and make Sisay All Legendary.

>>54297822
It's mainly because it was considered a trash rare at the time and only used in the most gimmicky of decks, it was also a fad at the time to cut into multiple copies to produce "art".
It was like $3 2-3 years ago but less and less people are willing to let them go.

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How do you build her? I'm giving in and building RG since I pulled the planeswalker in the pre-release but is there any secret tech for her? I'm such a Johnny that I have a hard time seeing things from Timmy's point of view.

>>54294020
You don't. The most competitive a hug can ever expect to do is get second place, aka be the last loser. What >>54294077 means is that you don't play dedicated hug, you play a combo deck that ramps and draws early game and incidentally helps others in an attempt to trick them into not focusing you.

>>54297846
She's just a Dork that you can swing with. The Secret Tech is a Kessig Wolf Run.

>>54292068
I play Rafiq, but I focus on combat damage tiggers rather than being voltron. If you want a voltron commander, you absolutely need in built protection, unless you play in extremely new or Timmy meta, since they never run any removal.

>>54297902
I figured, thanks

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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/for-the-horde-of-notions-2/

Does it look fun_?

>>54298042
>5c
No.

>>54294932
Link?

>>54298298
What's wrong with rainbow decks?

>>54295838
Bassandra, Battle Seraph?

>>54298376
Too little focus.
Almost always becomes Goodstuff.dec with a hint of a theme.
Example posted is just BGW animator with some blue goodstuff.
Only three cards at all required any red outside of the commander.

>>54298042
I like the last ability. Just repeal it. Don't put it in your hand. Just...show for funzees.

>>54296111
The counter isn't "put" on the creature, the creature enters with the counter. Hence, the creature still enters with the counter.

>>54298440
*reveal.

>>54298439
>Only three cards at all required any red outside of the commander
Why would I intentionally add more of the worst color in the game?

>>54298448
You are absolutely wrong. Look at the rulings for Corpsejack Menace or Hardened Scales.
>“Placed on a creature you control” includes that creature entering the battlefield with +1/+1 counters on it. If a creature would enter the battlefield with a number of +1/+1 counters on it while you control Hardened Scales, it enters with that many counters plus one.

>>54298476
Then why play the color at all?
Atraxa provides more early game pressure than Horde and there's a decent amount of counters in the deck for her to function as more than just a Lightning Angel color enabler.
Your graveyard machine doesn't even need your commander, let alone an elemental theme.

>>54298476
Then why not play Atraxa.
>>54298440
It's spoofing on custom cards. A lot of the time they say to reveal a card from your deck but forget to say to add it to your hand.

>>54298476
>worst color
>the color so good that a single mana or point of damage determines whether the card will break a meta or not
>the color that has some of the single most oppressive enchantments in the game
>the color with the most hated removal of all
>the color that goblin tribal is in
Just because you don't have the balls to drive it doesn't mean it's a bad car, senpai.

>>54297795
>I want a specific color combination for a specific tribe!
>one already exists with obvious tribal synergy
>no not that one!

>>54298578
Worst in EDH, along with white. Lightning Bolt is a fantastic card but not in this format.

>>54298578
Red is my favorite color in Magic, but it's not a good color in commander.

>the color so good that a single mana or point of damage determines whether the card will break a meta or not
A Meta, not commanders meta. Red's effect on other metas has nothing to do with this discussion, in Commander your enemy has more life than normal, direct damage is less effective

>the color that has some of the single most oppressive enchantments in the game
That's not how you say white

>the color with the most hated removal of all
It's been slowly being removed by wizards, very few land destruction cards are ever made anymore, so while you can still run it in commander without a problem, there is little support for it and it's never going to evolve or grow past what it is

>the color that goblin tribal is in
That doesn't make it a good color

Red is a fun color, but in EDH it loses out.

>>54297795
How is horde of notions shit? Great art, flavor, body, and the ability is great with all the best elementals like mulldrifter, Shriekmaw, and so on

>>54298642
don't worry, when wotc realizes that commander is the only format making them money, they'll fire maro and start giving red more toys to play with

>>54298510
>Then why play the color at all?
First of all that wasn't me
Secondly because I don't have a choice if I play Horde, and third because there is some R I like. I'm really excited for that new Sunbird enchant in Ix for example.
>>54298510
>>54298513
>Then why not play Atraxa
Because Atraxa didn't exist yet when I first built the deck, and Atraxa does nothing for reanimator strategies. I at least wanted something in theme. I just wanted 5C rebirth shenanigans, what's wrong with it?

>>54298642
>That's not how you say white
Not him (I think Red is pretty bad in EDH since it has several critical weaknesses) but Smoke, Caverns of Despair, Blood Moon, Sulfuric Vortex, and Stranglehold are operating on a fairly similar level to Humility, Rule of Law, Rest in Peace and Ghostly Prison -- maybe a little more oppressive as a whole. Humility is the single most crushing effect, but Moon and Smoke are close enough behind.

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>>54298601
>>54298642
>they think I'm playing a typical grouphug deck with death by drawing
>then warp world resolves

>>54298686
I feel like blue's even worse.
>Stasis
>Mana Breach
>Erayo (Thankfully banned)
>Opposition
And I'm sure I've forgotten many more

>>54298729
90% of blue stuff is either a double edged blade or requires you to commit additional resources or have a decent lead on board before you set up.
Red's only double edge blade is "making your opponent try to beat you at your own game" should you oppress them in the manner you attempted to.

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>Buy a copy of this, expensive as shit
>Think it will be fun in EDH
>Play it ONCE
>The rest of my playgroup agrees to ban it after one fucking game
Welp.

>>54298686

How is smoke anywhere near the level that Rest In Peace, humility, stony silence, etc are at? Smoke is a dumb edhgeneral meme

>>54298686
That's fair, I would say that red has stronger effects, but there are fewer so it's easier to stop. White has a lot of strong ones, which I think makes it a better color for oppressing opponents.

>>54298817
That card was already on the banlist, are you an idiot? How does it even look like a fun card?

>>54298817

>thinking this will be fun

why is EDH the only fun format anymore?

>>54298859
My group doesn't use the standard banlist. We let everything be legal until it becomes a problem, then ban it ourselves. Our own list is rather funny.

>>54298902

Do you have it on hand? That sounds funny

>>54298902
my group does that too

>>54298893
Because standard will never be as good as the City of Guilds, modern is a cesspool and legacy is basically a 50/50.
Drafting takes a lot of getting used to and even then it's basically pauper but with a lot more luck involved.

>>54298893

Cube is more fun than edh

>>54298729
Frozen Aether

>>54298947
cube takes too much effort and i cant cube while drinking with my m8s in a huge game

>>54295539
Oh hey, the Anowon shitter has moved to 2 colours. You're missing the Dark Ritual though

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>>54298817
It's worth it just as a collector's item because the effect is so unique and cool. I want a Saharazad and pic related just because they're unique.

>>54298893
Because it's Kitchen Table: The Official Format

>Games are designed to go long, so bigger and/or weirder things can be seen.
>While Tier 1 is about as broad as any other format's meta, Tier 2(.5) and up can compete against it and added together that spread is ungodly massive, so even if you're all competitivefags there's a hugely deep pool to draw from.
>By its nature there's usually room in the 99 for pet cards and personal touches, so you get to feel 'creative' without also feeling like you've just shot yourself in the foot.

>>54298990
>turn one mountain suspend rift bolt
>turn 2 exile simian spirit guide and dark ritual for a rakdos and a creature that costs 3B
Christmasland, here I come.

>>54298729
>Mana breach
Yeah blue has some pretty fun enchantments. It's especially fun to combine them. Sunken Hope+Overburden+Mana Breach = Sweet, sweet tears.

Black might take the cake if its best oppression wasn't a gorillion burgerdollars and thus never seen. The Abyss, Nether Void, and Chains of Mephistopheles are fairly sadistic but not enough to be worth their price tag. That leaves it on Tainted Aether and the like.

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>>54298910
Yeah here. The only card we started with banned was Karakas.

Stuff you'd expect:
Ancestral Recall
Balance
Biorhythm
Channel
Emrakul, the Assholes Torn
Erayo
Fastbond
Griselbrand
Karakas
Prophet of Kruphix
Shahrazad
Yawgmoth's Bargain

(That isn't to say currently banned stuff not on this list isn't busted, most of it we just haven't used due to price or just whatever reason)

Now for some stuff you may laugh at.

Consecrated Sphinx
Sol Ring
Command Tower
Gaea's Cradle
Sorin Markov
Magister Sphinx
Mindslicer (I made everyone really salty with it. My buddy's wife almost quit over this card.)
Necropotence
Craterhoof Behemoth
All MLD
No player can have more than 5 Counterspells in any deck
Animar banned as a commander
Zurgo banned as a commander
Avacyn banned as a commander
No Sliver decks allowed. Period.
No infinite combos allowed. Period.
No alt win cons. (I.E. Laboratory Maniac or Door to Nothingness) Victory must be declared by damage or deckout.

>>54298947
>having fun when assembling decks takes the longest time on the whole night
>>54299035
Oh shit, I still wish that Rakdos would be actually useful. Hell, the original is much more useful anyway.

>>54299069
>Ban MLD, infinites, and alt wincons
Pretty cancerous, though I guess Boros might still come out ahead despite losing its single best feature, MLD, thanks to everyone else losing the ability to combo out easily.

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>over a LONG period of time, slowly acquired everything to build a disgusting kruphix ramp deck
>I'm talking Jin Jan Auger Man, Vorinclex, Planeswalker Teferi, Mana Crypt, Doubling cube, All the eldrazi titans, the good tezzeret, Blightsteel, Eye of Ugin, Darksteel Forge, you get the point
>built monoblue Memnarch first, as a test
>it went exactly as plan, just immediately shit on people
>changed it to Jori-En so I could draw less hate while playing Darietti and some MLD
>finally decide to sit down and build kruphix, but have the unfortunate realization that I don't really want to play UG goodstuff
Fuck, any suggestions for fun artifact commanders? I just want to ramp into a billion mana, shit out giant beaters, then instantly win. Neheb seems like a good choice, but I know it's going to be strictly worse than kruphix.

>>54298893
The H in EDH.
Only being able to run one of each card forces (or allows) you to run goofy things instead of just 4 of the most efficient spell. Your deck has a lot more room for cards you'd never see otherwise.

>>54299069
I do not like this list. Luckily it is not a list my playgroup uses, so it has nothing to do with me, as long as you guys have fun that's what's important.

You're all faggots though

>>54299069
This is some baby tier shit.

>My buddy's wife almost quit over this card
This explains a lot of it, you guys are a bag of betas

>>54299069
>Command Tower
>Zurgo and Avacyn when you've already banned MLD
???

>>54299121
Lol what's wrong with it in your opinion? I dislike it too, but I'm stuck because this is the only group I can play with.

>>54299133
Command Tower got banned for the same reason as Sol Ring in the words of everyone but me. "Goes in EVERY deck and that limits creativity"

>>54298982

Mate cube is perfect for drinking

>>54299077

Why is assembling decks taking you so long? The deck should be mostly built by the time you're done drafting

>>54299069
It seems like it'd be very easy to piss your group off.

>cast rite of replication on mindleech mass after cyclonic rifting people
>slap down tree of predition off whip of erebos
>reanimate Bane of Bala Ged with feldon and seize the day
>use motherfucking black braids for all variety of nonsense
>play ghave, shit out a finite number of tokens, then smash face
>run Lazav hand-stax and make sure no one has any cards

All the bans REALLY do is keep people from bitching. Also, Rofellos isn't banned for some fucked reason.

>>54294369
>bringing anything of value to your lgs
>buying anything from WotC
He deserved what he got.

>>54299150
yeah but all it does is secure manafixing for cheap

>>54299182
See
>>54299069
>(That isn't to say currently banned stuff not on this list isn't busted, most of it we just haven't used due to price or just whatever reason)
If you tried any of that shit it would likely get banned after one game.

But yes, they are incredibly easy to piss off. Last time I played everyone got real fucking pissed at me because I played Angus and abused fog effects all day and won because nobody could touch me. They immediately started discussing ways to prevent that. I really wish I had some other people to play with, every fucking time I try something new it's like walking on eggshells.

>>54299109
Thrasios/Kydele+Kraum/Ludevic

>>54299134
The lack of alternate win cons seems stifling, I'm all about stopping people from using Lab Man on turn 4 and winning every game, or someone flashing in Felidar Soverign in a Ayli deck and just going "Hey, I win." (Mostly because to me that doesn't feel very rewarding, I did it once and realized it was boring so I never did again) but by completely banning alt win cons takes away one of the things that makes EDH so fun, creativity.

No infinite combos, my playgroup has no restrictions on this but we usually all agree and infinite combo that requires three or four pieces is fine, once you know the other guy is packing you know how to handle it. Removal, or just killing them before they can assemble it.

I have a Zurgo deck, so I'm personally biased against that one.

Hard capping counters seems... I don't like having my spells countered, no one does. No one person likes to spend a ton of mana to do something cool only to have another player go "Nah." for only two, but hard capping counters seems silly unless before they were running rampant.

Why in the world is Command Tower banned? It's efficient color fixing for cheap price, it's a good card but it's just a land.

I think my main issue with the list is that it seems like it was made to make things easier in terms of not making people salty, but it's restricting. 99% of that list has answers built into the game, but you have to be willing to put it in your deck. It looks like your playgroup isn't adapting as players, and is instead just deciding to do what they think will make everyone feel involved, which isn't a bad thing in theory, but... In practice it removes personal growth as a player. Which I do not like.

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Is this fucker ever coming off the list? Don't even try to tell me he's broken anymore.

>>54299109
>artifact commanders
Mishra and Jhoira are great for that kind of bullshit.
Hardmode: Kozilek

>>54299069
You obviously should play all the RC-banned cards that aren't on your list yet.

>>54299215
I feel you man, I was just saying that the bans seem completely arbitrary, and are more tied to decks that actually win, than stopping anything in particular.

Talk to them about it, I get that they might be a bunch of raging normies, but bring something totally legal, and just shit on their day. I'm talking progenitor mimic copying Giant Adephage cascaded off Malestrom Wanderer type nonsense, or throwing down artifact tutor Brago and just locking people out.

The idea is, by showing them how flawed their rules list is, they become a bit more lax, or at least make creative ways to change the banlist. Why not do theme nights or something, where you each build a particular tribe, or you get assigned a commander through RNG or something?

>>54299246
>ETB
>two (any kind of) lands
Banning it is to keep WGB decks from masturbating for a full on 20 minutes before passing turn.

>>54299268
Why waste the money buying and building those just to get them banned after a single game?

>>54299297
So you can move onto better playgroups more prepared :)

>>54299306
>So you can move onto better playgroups
My area is dead for MTG players. That won't happen.

>>54299263
Alright, I'll bite.

Do you personally run Kozy? I've been thinking about it for a white, but every time I go "Why not just run Jin as my commander and get access to better card draw?". I'm usually the number one aggro target out of anyone in my playgroup, because I tend to play big fuck-off commanders, but I've never even heard about someone using Mishra, is he fun?

>>54299246
He's not coming off while potent nonbasics exist. Instantly grabbing Urborg/Coffers on ETB only to snatch Cradle and Phyrexian tower on swing (Or perhaps Tabernacle and the Cradle to effortlessly offset it) is too much

>>54299284
That doesn't answer my question

>>54297377
There is no next turn, everyone else died.

>>54294463
So not at all?

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>>54299246
green is strong enough in casual edh

primeval titan isn't banned because it's too strong, it's banned because it's very easy for casual groups to ruin their metas with it. casual players won't usually know what to do with doomsday, but it's very easy for them to abuse prime time.

sheldon basically gives you just the bare necessity of bans so that new players to the format get the intended experience. after you graduate to higher deckbuilding proficiency, sheldon expects you to start housebanning in your group liberally. there's a reason why sheldon's own group is casual. it's not because they're bad players or poorfags, it's because they enforce that meta for themselves, because they think that EDH is meant to be played casually.

however, sheldon doesn't presume to tell you what is fun and what isn't, which is why stuff like flash, demonic tutor and brainstorm are unbanned. and that's why sheldon truly is the best thing to happen to this format. if wotc took over the banlist and ruling, it would legitimately spell death and destruction for the format

>>54299246
No.

He's objectively broken, and becomes more broken the higher your budget is, which pisses a lot of people off, particularly with the reprint and popularity of Dark Depths.

>>54299109
Well, I thought of doing a Nin artifact creatures deck, but I'm thinking of having Locust God instead. I already have a Memnarch, but it's not that great of a deck and feels extremely stale. U and R have the best artifact synergies, so I would stick to those.
Originally I would have chosen Nin, because she's cheap and provides nice card draw.

>>54299263
>Mishra

I still want to build this deck some day, I just don't know what to put into it aside from the stuff that makes it work. Same with Muzzio, just goodstuff sounds boring. Though it might be fun to play?

>>54299368
Muzzio vehicles!

>>54299246
No, creatures are broken, that's why Leo is banned. But also creatures aren't broken, that's why Hulk is unbanned. But no, because Sheldon doesn't have enough to profit off the price spike.

>>54299320
Different guy here but I run Mishra and love him. I probably don't have the most optimised deck but I love how much value I can get out of Mishra, PStorm and Master Transmuter

>>54299320
Personally, no.
I've seen it before, expensive and oppressive as fuck stax deck that will dominate the game if you don't hate it off the board.

This was pre return to Zendikar
New Kozilek is stronger and weaker in some areas, but his main strength being that he doesn't even have to touch the board to provide you card draw.
Playing Jin is going to get everyone and their mother on your case. Kozzy lets them feel comfortable until you get a few urza lands or artifacts out.

>>54299378
Are they any fun? I haven't played anything of Kaladesh block at all.
I was going to say that only having them around for two sets makes me sad, but then I remembered they're coming back in Ixalan!

>>54299320
Kozilek is mostly unpreventable card draw on a body that only needs two hits to knock someone out of the game in a deck that shits mana and makes playing the game suffering for everyone but the one running him. You need a lot of dosh though.

>>54299320
Mishra is pretty fun for a janky grixis artifact deck. Run some theft effects like Thada Adel and Praetor's Grasp to steal people's Sol Rings and Gilded Lotuses then cast them and Mishra finds your own copies from the deck. He also combos/synergizes with Possibility Storm, Ice Cave, Nullstone Gargoyle, and Nether Void by making them non-symmetrical. Cast an artifact, let it be countered, then Mishra returns it from the graveyard while your opponents get their spells countered for real.

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>>54299246
>Don't even try to tell me he's broken anymore.

What could you possibly believe has happened that would make him less broken?

>>54299510
Well for one Consecrated Sphinx and Gaea's Cradle are fucking legal.

>>54295105
Avaricious dragon

>>54299493
Holy shit, that sounds fantastic. I have a possibility storm just lying around, with nothing to use it with, and I can skirt the bullshit expensive manafixing by making the deck primarily monobrown. I think this is what I'm going to build next, does he draw a lot of hate? I'm getting a little tired of being public enemy #1 because I tend to run big fuck-off commanders.

>>54299545
Most people still have no idea what he does and will probably want to see what you're doing. Some people might hate on you if they know what you're up to though.

>>54299537
>Cradle is legal
Somehow this makes Titan worth unbanning?

>>54299611
I am saying if Titan is banned those should be too.

>>54299493
>Ice Cave cost includes coloured mana symbols
I never noticed this and thought it would be terrible as everyone would just pay 4 to counter Mishra. Time to get one and jam it in my deck.

>>54299627
>But moooooooooooooom Jimmy is also broken

>>54299537
>Sphinx
Can be shot before it gets to do anything, doesn't tutor..

>Cradle
Won't get banned because people who paid hundreds of dollars for the thing would lynch somebody.

>>54299583
How does he work? I dont see how he can be good in a singleton format.

>>54299583
>>54299583
I can live with that. As long as I can show up and not draw the combined hate of everyone in the group at the same time, I'm going to win a lot of games, particularly since it has a slightly janky setup.

As an aside, why doesn't wizards use coloured mana to fix the casting costs in creatures? Lazav being UUBB makes him completely unusable in any non-dimir deck. They could print really wacky powerful things with like UURRRR devotion or some shit, and it wouldn't ruin the game for standard babies, while also being inherently less-abusable than 4UR, for example.

>>54299627
>$200 card that is hardly ever seen outside of extremely tryhard playgroups and """"competitive"""" scenes.
>card that every Tom, Dick and Harry can throw into their deck for easy wins
Cradle provides a lot of mana, but can be removed, same goes for Consecrated Sphinx.
If you don't answer Prime Tit before it hits the board their advantage is already solidified.

>>54299680

>>54299545
>He also combos/synergizes with Possibility Storm, Ice Cave, Nullstone Gargoyle, and Nether Void by making them non-symmetrical. Cast an artifact, let it be countered, then Mishra returns it from the graveyard while your opponents get their spells countered for real.

>>54299680
Cast your opponents stuff that you have a copy of, find your copy too.
Counter your spell before his ability resolves (Nether Void, Ice Cave, an impatient opponent), return it from your graveyard.
Shuffle it into your deck with Possibility Storm, resolved Possibility Storm's effect and then search for the shuffled card with Mishra

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>normie friend finally sees the Ixalan spoilers
>flips his shit on Hostage Taker saying its an infinite combo with itself making whoever plays it, auto-win
>read over the card and explain that it just leads to a draw
>says I don't see the potential of it winning with impact tremors or purphoros and even it casts on an empty board its controller auto-wins due to nobody else being able to act

So am I retarded for ignoring this card's potential or is my friend retarded for wanting to go jankiest of combos?

>>54299686

Casting costs like that are nigh unplayable even in decks with just those colors, is the issue

If you have any utility lands, or your draw is heavy on one color but light on the other, you're fucked

>>54299717
>if my opponents don't do anything I will win!
Every card ever.

>>54299721
Oh I understand that, but it's a good way to print goofy powerful things without a bunch of people whining about powercreep. The only place they'd be an issue is in a reanimator deck, but they're also going to be a dead draw 90% of the time anyways, so I doubt legacy would run anything like that, when they can just run Sire of Insanity instead. Even as a cost on activated abilities, it would inherently limit the number of times you can pop it off in one turn, effectively stopping 99% of possible combos with it in the first place.

>>54299717

Not sure what you're saying here

Are you saying purphoros + another 4 drop is a bad combo? Are you saying it's bad because it could draw the game on an empty board? So don't cast it on an empty board.

>>54299678
>Won't get banned because people who paid hundreds of dollars for the thing would lynch somebody.
Aren't there a bunch of banned cards specifically because of price?

>>54299773
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>>54299627
You're not the brightest jew in the oven, aren't you?

Tolarian Academy should be unbanned desu

>>54299760

For sure but I think when they print a goofy power card they hope that at least casual players will try it out, and if the casting cost has 4 or more pips (even 3 is sketchy), it's gonna lead to casual player feel bads when their mostly basics manabase cant cast it

>>54299773
Not really, you can run black lotus, tabernacle, chains of Mephistopheles, and all sorts of other ungodly expensive things that would otherwise be broken.

>>54299770

>Are you saying purphoros + another 4 drop is a bad combo? Are you saying it's bad because it could draw the game on an empty board?

I'm saying its an overrated card and the combo is jank of the highest caliber especially going grixis to pull off that combo when the only grixis flicker is sedris who is also. Honestly if you're this goddamn stupid then don't reply to any post ever again

>>54299806

This post really made me think

>>54299806
Only if we ban arcum daggson

>>54299808
Ah, I guess you're more optimistic than I am. I figured plebs would be too dumb and single minded to avoid using it in the first place, meaning it wouldn't be able to warp standard unless there are specific mechanics that enable you to cast it, like Aetherwork Marvel and Newlamog. I think the idea was to make it strong enough that it can be an alternate wincon, if you ever manage to get the casting cost, which means that it'll be much more playable in "eternal" formats where there are actual support cards available.

>>54299832
Calm down bruv, maybe you want the modern thread instead. EDH is jank city

>>54299717
The card never leaves the battlefield if the ability is used on itself. Besides, even if you could and if it worked like that, it would never be a draw game, since you can stop it.

>>54299832

Why the hostility? I was just trying to understand your issue. So the issue is that it's a 3 color combo? Makes sense, probably won't see it much for that reason.

And I can't think of anything in blue or black that is instant win with hostage taker so I think it won't be an issue

>>54299773
The criteria is that it has to be prohibitively expensive and ubiquitous. Workshop and Tabernacle are expensive, but decks low in artifacts won't run Workshop and decks high in creatures won't run Tabernacle. On the other hand, Black Lotus would be in the deck of everyone who could afford it, same for all Moxen you can run.

>>54299808
Ohh, and I forgot the most important part. BBBB or UUUU is a super easy manacost for a casual to get with only basics, particularly in a monocolour deck, but it also means you can't really use it in a multicoloured deck, like Phyrexian obliterator. Seems like a good gate-keeping cost, particularly because they're shifting from net decking.

>>54299869
>why the hostility
Because you're a dumbass?

>>54299867

It does leave the battlefield, and immediately returns. You can't stop it unless there's another creature/artifact to target, so it is possible for it to draw a game, but unlikely.

>>54299811
Black lotus is banned though, as is all other power 9, save for Timetwister

>>54299867
Incorrect on both counts.

As currently written, if Hostage Taker has no other targets, it will exile itself, return to the battlefield, exile itself again, return, and repeat this process until either something disrupts it or the game is determined to be a draw.

Of course, that's assuming they don't patch that little loophole up when Ixalan is released.

>>54299901
>Can't even see the Impact Tremors combo
>Calls others idiots
lmao

>>54299697
>>54299678
Explain to me how getting two (2) TWO lands breaks the game monumentally in your favor. If you're going to argue that cradle is removable then you should be able to argue that prime time is as removable, as well as being counterable.

>>54299901

>I'm a dumbass
>when in your post you complain that it leads to a draw, which is totally irrelevant and not likely to happen to begin wih

>>54299773
There's a sweetspot.

>>54299909
The effect never takes place, since it would end before it takes effect.
Besides, I'm willing to bet that the card isn't going to end up like that, since every card that does the same states "an opponent controls", so there's no reason to believe that it won't be the same when it is released.

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>>54299869
>I can't think of anything in blue or black that is instant win with hostage taker

>>54299811
Are you doing this unintentionally or does it give you jollies to misinform people?

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>>54299927
Glad to see you lack basic reading makes me feel less dickish to use this pic

>>54299923
Because combos that do it better have existed before this card, you must've thought you were smart when you discovered deadeye navigator + drake

>>54299952

>the effect never takes place
This isn't like banishing light, where if you destroy it before the exile resolves, it doesn't exile at all. In the case of hostage taker, the exile IS resolving, which results in the exiled card immediately returning because hostage taker is gone. Look up the last gatherer ruling on aligned hedron network for an example of this happening with current cards

>I'm willing to bet the card isn't going to end up like that
>no reason to believe it won't be he same when it's released

Well actually we do have a reason, we saw a leak of the physical card. Cards aren't usually changed at this stage. An errata is more likely than a change at this point

>>54299926
>Explain to me how getting two (2) TWO lands breaks the game monumentally in your favor.

Because it's situational. There are a bunch of really strong effects on lands, and Prime Time can get you any of them you need. Glacial Chasm, Dark Depths, Maze of Ith, whatever you need, you go it.

>>54299952
>The effect never takes place, since it would end before it takes effect.

Allow me to enlighten you.
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=401807

>In some very rare situations, Aligned Hedron Network may enter the battlefield as a creature with power 5 or greater. If this happens, Aligned Hedron Network will exile itself along with other creatures with power 5 or greater. Those cards will immediately return to the battlefield. If this causes a loop with Aligned Hedron Network continually exiling and returning itself, the game will be a draw unless a player breaks the loop somehow.

>>54299963

Ahh yes, forgot that one

Still don't think that will see much play but could be wrong. 2 card insta wins are pretty popular, but vela is not great on her own and nor is hostage taker

>>54300006
>An errata is more likely than a change at this point

A very real possibility is that they'll just rewrite the rules to prevent this kind of thing from happening.

>>54300006
>>54300035
Well damn. Here I remembered that if that kind of effect took place on itself, the effect was considered not doing anything, but I didn't remember the Aligned Hedron Network at all.

>>54300059

Right yeah, meant to say errata or rules change

Gaeas cradle should be banned in edh. There are other cards that do what it does in green but for a fair cost.

>>54300128

Probably, but then what would I fetch with sisay?

>>54300150
Nykthos?

>>54300150
Planeswalkers, starting with Ixalan.

>>54299926
>spent 5 minutes compiling an argument
>realized there's no point
7/10, you got me good.
Just keep playing.

>>54299973

What's a better but similar combo?

I think Kiki-twin combos are better maybe, although there are more answers to that I suppose

>>54300128
how would you make a legal fair gaea's?

land enters tapped
you may pay 4G, tap all creatures you control, reveal the top card of your library, if its a beast creature with converted mana cost 5 or more you may flip a coin 3 times, if 3 are heads add G mana equal to the number of creatures you control, then sacrifice these creatures. Discard your hand

>>54300206
I think Nykthos is pretty good at being a "fair" version of the cycle.

>>54300181

Oh good point

That's what I used to do before I got cradle

Guess I'm spoiled now

>>54300183

Do you predict the full errata for all walkers? Or will legendary walkers just be a thing going forward?

I have a bant planeswalker deck and I could see myself changing to sisay planeswalkers if they errata everything

>>54300201
Kiki-Crafter combo best combo, especially when you cheat it in.

>>54300317

>Kiki-crafter

Is this lightning crafter? Do you need another piece to make that a win?

K guys some nerd is selling singles to make rent and I just got a spare bit of cash.

Should I grab Vorinclex and Natural Order
or
Survival of the Fittest
or
Tooth and Nail and Demonic Tutor?

Any one of the options is 30 bucks, which would be the best to pick up to bounce between my twenty or so decks?

>>54300291
It doesn't work unless they change all of them, or write some very awkward rules where "Legendary Planeswalkers" are exempt from the normal Planeswalker rule.

Consider the options:8
>Option 1: Don't make any erratas, print only new Legendary Planeswalkers. Have to introduce more rules to allow for this, only payoff is that Jace's new ultimate works.
>Option 2: Remove the Planeswalker Uniqueness Rule, don't make any erratas. Now you get to have four Jace the Mindsculptor on the battlefield. Not viable.
>Option 3: Remove the Planeswalker Uniqueness Rule, errata all Planeswalkers to be Legendary. Now you can have Jace the Mind Sculptor and Jace Beleren at the same time. That's twice as much exposure for Jace. Obvious 10/10.

I joked a little, but seriously, Option 3 is the only one that seems realistic.

>>54300355
Either a Sac outlet or an ETB trigger. If you have Tremors or Purphoros then the Crafter Clone can just zap itself.

>>54300383

Yeah I think option 3 is where they are heading

Gideon tribal here I come

Tell me if I'm wrong, but can an Aura that was not cast be attached to a creature with Shroud? Let's say it was put on the battlefield through Primal Surge or Zur. Could it be attached to a creature with Shroud?

>>54300381
those are all pretty boring cards except for vorinclex. i don't find tutors fun to play. in sheer power level, i'd rate them like this

demonic tutor > survival of the fittest > natural order (only tutors green though) > tooth and nail > vorinclex

demonic tutor and tooth and nail are probably your safest bet for "goes into every deck"

vorinclex and natural order are the fun option, but only really go well into green creature based decks

however it's pretty cancerous to be swapping your expensive tutors between 20 decks every single game, but more power to you if your group thinks thats fun

i'd personally use the 30 bucks to buy some actually flavorful cards instead of just tutors

>>54300381
TN and tutor, ez.

>>54300401

Right right

I remember my friend had a Kiki jiki deck with that combo

>>54296761
Angels. Spirits are getting so much love in the regular release schedule and angels only ever get a handful of cards a block: and the vast majority are draft chaff.

>>54300481

Yes it can

It can also be attached to a creature with pro-that color, but it will immediately fall off

Where can I see old border (apocalypse era) foils? I can't seem to find good irl pics

>>54300381
Tooth and Nail and Demonic Tutor can be played in pretty much any Green or Black deck respectively. They're good staple cards.

>>54300507
Thank you. I thought so, but I wanted confirmation.

>>54300128
It's more a thing like if you're playing with people who actually have cradles, they and likely everyone in the playgroup are playing legacy singleton and banning cradle would do nothing. No "average" person buys a 200 dollar card for their EDH deck.

>>54300522
They only have the border in foil and the foil star. Just buy a cheap foil common in each color and land and you'll have an example of old foils.

>>54299717
I think you're the contrarian retard here, you seem to hold it against the bloke that he hasn't went through the cards until now.
The card has plentiful interactions and it's not a bad value card as intended.

>>54300484
Nah I have a box of EDH cards one of all sorts of cards. Depending on the group I play with I throw together different decks. One day I put together my Breya combo, the next for a casual group I go Teysa Life Drain/Extort.

I usually make a deck or two in twenty minutes and have two playable decks that have changing strategies and archetypes.
>>54300485
>>54300532
Seems like there is a consensus. I want that Vorinclex real bad though.

>>54300638
Vorinclex is also a really good and fun card, but he's only really useful if you're in a heavy green deck.

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>>54300383
If 3 happens they better print some good pw removal at uncommon

>>54300638
>Nah I have a box of EDH cards one of all sorts of cards. Depending on the group I play with I throw together different decks. One day I put together my Breya combo, the next for a casual group I go Teysa Life Drain/Extort.

oh that sounds fine then

i'd personally go for the vorinclex & natural order because those cards are actually interesting and have limitations. meanwhile demonic tutor is just something you'll feel obligated to play in every black deck, and you'll just use it to fetch up the same shit every game.

unless you feel like you really need to catch up to an arms race in your group, i'd go for vorinclex

>>54300649
>he's only really useful if you're in a heavy green deck
Not really, a mana doubler is more than welcome in every deck

>>54300381
Survival of the Fittest is fun as fuck.

I'd get Survival and DT desu. Tooth and Nail is more cancerous and less fun but obviously it is good in certain groups.

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After hundreds of hours how do you stop yourself from seeing every card as either degeneracy enablement or complete garbage?
The majority of "secret tech" are just slightly more situational version of other cards that people haven't seen before or fail to understand the full implications of and thus allow it to do the job the player intended.
Victory means nothing to me, I can only see things such as this as the end result of my opponents failures and not my own accomplishments.
How do I stop being so jaded?

>>54300914
Wow what a prick.

>>54300914
>Not playing Licid tribal and having fun

>>54300914

>victory means nothing to me
>how do I stop seeing cards purely in terms of their ability to allow me to win

Maybe stop lying to yourself first?

>>54300914
You need to impose flavor-based deck building restrictions on yourself. Like building a deck with only cards related to your commander or cards from its block or themeing it around a Guild or some such nonsense. If you're building with a theme in mind then strictly better options aren't something you can often use. You start to gain a new appreciation for the less powerful/optimal cards because it's all you have. You can even come up with little combos and synergies between them that may improve your evaluation of them. It helps if the people you play with do it as well.

I recently did a rebuild of the Nicol Bolas Archenemy decks and cut a lot of more optimal cards from some of the decks because, while strong, just didn't fit the theme I wanted to convey. I did stuff like not giving the Chandra deck Lightning Bolt, instead opting for less powerful cards like Incinerate or Searing Spear to keep with a pyromancer theme.

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>>54300737
They hate printing "target planeswalker" on anything less than a Rare, except for some Red damage dealing cards they don't want hitting players.

>>54301064
If they change the pw rule to allow for more walkers they must print more removal or else they'll be even more format warping of what they already are

>>54301098
The only reason it would need to be uncommon removal specifically is if you somehow expect it to be relevant in Limited, which could really only happen in a Cube or if they were crazy enough to put more than one Jace in Iconic Masters.

>>54301135
>>54301098

Yeah I'm still not seeing why you would want it to be uncommon, just a price thing? You don't want a bunch of destroy target planeswalker cards being passed around in draft when odds are likely that not even a single Walker is gonna be opened in the pod

>>54301188
>>54301188
>>54301188

New thread

>reddit
>"im trying to make an another non-arjun deck but no other commander is good at running mycosynth and hellkite tyrant than him"

wait what. is there some combo with arjun and those cards?

>>54297846
Personally I was thinking of a R/G elf ball deck with fireballs, atarkas, and other payoffs. I'm not sure it's any good, but just a thought I had.

>>54300914
Pick a restriction not related to the mechanical nature of the cards. Aesthetic or skew, nothing about the synergies you want to create or what you want your deck to DO.

>80% of the deck must have art by Rebecca Guay (Or insert favorite artist here)
>Classic frame ONLY!
>The Autism Challenge: Choose a number, X. For each (optionally, nonland) card type, there must be either X, 2X, X/2, or 0 of it in your deck. Protip -- you can get a reasonable hit, including land, by choosing '20'
>Alternate Autism Challenge: Define a 'perfect' curve before even choosing your commander. Bonus points if you can describe, mathematically, the number of cards at each CMC, in the form of a function
>Block Constructed (or 2xblock/7-set/build your own standard)
>Know your lore, pick a lore relevant commander. Only basics and cards somehow related by lore to your commander are allowed.

Your restriction is rule #1. It cannot be broken for anything. Operating inside it, you can pick the best cards and create synergies, but you have to explore new possibilities to make your deck go.

Alternativley, play monored, maybe red-blue, lolrandumb chaos for a while. No wincon, just madness -- maybe allow yourself Chance Encounter if you take some coin flip tribal, maybe not. When you start laughing like a hyena as you resolve Theives Auction with Grip of Chaos and Confusion in the Ranks on the board or Warp World/Scrambleverse or any other big sorcery that just shits on the game the instant it (finally) resolves (or artifact/enchantment that continually shits while out) you have gained some blissful insanity to spend trying hard again, and your group will probably be out for blood so you get the thrill of being impromptu archenemy.

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post actually strong super secret tech

>>54301193
i think that's just reddit being reddit

those are the same people who suggest playing a 4.5 avg cmc ruric thar deck against counterspell tribals

>>54293500
>Playing Neheb the Eternal on Cockatrice in an no inf lobby.
>Only have one inf combo in the deck and no tutors, so it's not too bad.
>Draws into it on turn 3
>Kill them without going infinite.

That stupid monored zombie goat is Fun

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>>54301385

>>54301193
>No one better then Arjun for that

Except Breya, Daretti, Kurkesh, Pia and Kiran Nalaar, etc.