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hold haha, butte

Spoke too soon, OP: the OF are back, kind'a. They're basically read-only at the moment - a lot of people who've tried to post have hit "session timed out" errors - and the admins and data-wranglers are still sorting out some more technical issues.

http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=58010.0
http://bg.battletech.com/news/forum-issues/

>>54277653

oh no

people can't post more bullshit and bad ideas on the OF

how will the series ever recover

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ALBATROSS! GETCH YORE ALBATROSS HEAH!

Not bad on the Albatross feel, but it's a little too heavy on long-range fire I think. The Alby always seemed to be a wide mix of 'do a bit at every range' to me.

All mech regiments should become divisions and every major and minor power should have at least a bunch of light WarShips, even in 3025

>>54278881
It's a modern version for the new FWLM, who focus too much on long range combat.

>>54280249
I don't disagree, anon, because I like space-battles and Kursk-scale fights as much as anyone else (and more than many, I suspect). But do yourself a favour: don't try to fix FASAnomics. Too many others have already disappeared down that rabbit-hole; not many have escaped it again, and none of them were ever the same (or completely sane) again.

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YOU RIKEY? IS CHEAP, 7 MIRRION DORRA! JAPENIS MECHA VERY HONORABU!

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>>54281555
Inspired by earlier casual racism, and the Zeus X, here - you have to be at least 200% Lyran to be able to afford it.

>>54281555

>reverse jenner

I see what you did there.

There he is. There he goes again. Look everyone! He sent it through their HPG once again! Is not he just the funniest stravag around?! Oh my Kerensky.

I can almost see your pathetic freeborn frame glowing in the dark, lit by your computer screen which is the only source of light in your HPG station, giggling like a little surat as you once again send your little truce message away and
pay the C-bills. Or maybe you do not even pay the C-bills. Maybe you are such a disgusting little FREEBIRTH that you actually joined ComStar so you just choose your ComGuard assignment. Oh and we all know the ComGuard. The epic
"Truce" guys quiaff? I imagine you little stravag laughing so hard as you click it that you drop your field rations on the floor but it is okay, your Precentor will clean up in the morning. Oh that is right. Did I fail to mention,
quiaff? You live on Tukayyid. You are a honorless freeborn freebirth, so she is probably so sick of it already. So sick of having to do everything for the Inner Sphere, for a honorless freeborn who spends all his time on the HPG network
posting about a stravag truce. Just imagine this. She had this battle, and then she thought you were going to be a bondsman, or a Clan Wolf Khan or something grand, and then you became a FREEBIRTH. A pathetic Trucefag FREEBIRTH.
She probably cries herself to sleep every day thinking about how bad it is and how she wishes the Star League could just reappear. She can not even try to talk with you because all you say is "I REALLY REALLY LIKE THIS TRUCE."
You have become a parody of your own self. And that is all you are. A sad little freeborn laughing in the dark by himself as he prepares to indulge in the same old dance that he is done a million times now. And that is all you will ever be.

>>54282040
Is there a navy seal pasta for BT?

>>54282047

I assume yes, cause thats one of more more popular ones, but havent got around writing one.

>>54282067
What about that copy pasta of the guido named John with his blond bimbo gf? How on earth would that fit in BT?

As long as someone doesn't make a BT on the old fanfic My Immortal...

>>54282198
>spoiler
Is it bad if I'm actually interested in seeing that?

>>54282207


>Enoby Ker'nyksy Mesothelioma Mattlov Pryde: WHY KERNSKY CUDNT MAKE ME A LESS GOOD WARRIOR

>>54282353
So Preps are Spheroids, and Goffs are Clanners?

>>54282367

I guess. I just cant stop shitting on the insignia thief wank falcons.

>>54282353
>mesothelioma
That was funnier than it had any reason to be.

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Are we still posting shitposting memes?

>>54282921
As a Liao player the only Successor State crisis more destructive than the 4th War was to the Confederation was the inexplicable break-up of the Free Worlds League in the Jihad. And even that was due more to shitty writing forcing TPTB to connect the timeline with WizKids garbage adventure that was the early Dark Age. The Confederation in 3028 was simply too weak to survive a large-scale invasion.

Literally all the Confederation has done since then is to crawl back from the abyss, and only now, over 100 years later in canon and over 20 years later in RL, have we gotten back the worlds we lost.

So yes, the Capellan people have been stepped on more than other houses save for Marik (because lol marik!).

>>54283055

Right. The Ghostbears and Wolves invading the FRR was nowhere neeear as bad as losing a few Cappie worlds.

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>>54283055
Remember Chesterton and our ancestral clay, right?

>>54283093
FRR was never a real faction.

>>54283055
>have we gotten back the worlds we lost

>Implying you ever deserved to get them back
>Not shitposting about your Andurien worlds the same way
>Implying there is any good justification for having three times the forces in 3130 as any neighboring Successor State

>>54283093
The FRR was a rogue province. The FRR and the Clan Invasion were devastating to the Dracs. Man, the dracs. Talk about some people that can't catch a break. Even their successful Fedsun invasion gets like 90% of the credit laid on the Dragoons for talking the reach all by themselves.

>>54283145

70% credit to Caleb for being a fuckup, 25% credit to the Dragoons, and 5% credit to the actual Dracs.

>>54283409
Caleb wasn't a fuckup. He just let his dick get too far ahead of him.

>Bang the woman your dad was banging
>She's a clanner but genuinely loves you
>Stays with you over three times as long as your father and stays loyal
>Let her find out you raped a Capellan princess after you started a relationship with her and still think about that Capellan princess as much as her

No wonder she sperged out and dropped a fleet on his head.

>>54283503
>He just let his dick get too far ahead of him.
More to the point, he forgot that the Victor routine only works when the princesses are tripping over themselves in their rush to get the dick

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Besides Natasha Kerensky and any genetic descendants of hers, are there any famous redheads in BattleTech?

>>54284197
the red corsair.

>>54284197
I always pictured Phelan as having dark red/auburn hair in the books for some reason. I think it was the same for all the Kells. Honestly I don't remember what colour his hair was.

>>54284559
Black with a widow's peak, I think. Or maybe that's Vlad.

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>>54284559

Closer to straight brown from all the art.

>>54284585
That sounds like Vlad. But skimming one of the books again it seems it's black hair.

>>54284606
Sometimes the art seems off.

>>54284606
>Goddamnit Vlad
>Is this Trueborn serious?
>I wish I was in Grinner
>...I wish I was in Ranna...

>>54284197

Evantha Fetladral.

>>54284632

He's got brown jewcurls going on in all the CCG art; styles might be different, but the color is consistent. Dunno what more you want.

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>>54284655
>>54284655
>>...I wish I was in Ranna...

>>54284658
>He's got brown jewcurls going on in all the CCG art; styles might be different, but the color is consistent. Dunno what more you want.
What do you mean? I'm saying what the art shows is different from the book descriptions is all.

What jewcurls? What is that? There are no curls here: >>54284606

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>>54284684

That's because that's not the CCG art I posted. You alright there anon?

>>54284698
What is Shia LeBouf doing in Battletech?

>>54284698
Chill out, dude. You made a comment without posting an image so all I had to go off was the one image posted. My point stands on the inconsistencies.

And I don't know what "jewcurls" are to you but even in that pic Phelan has some pretty mundane Celtic hair. Reminds me of Stephen Mangan.

>>54284632
>Sometimes the art seems off.
Character's appearance in art is about as consistent as mech scale in art.

>>54284559
Probably because they play up the Irish thing with the Kells and Irish are stereotypically redheaded.

>>54284765
What if character art was done by the same people who did the TRO 3055 art?

>>54284747
>And I don't know what "jewcurls" are to you but even in that pic Phelan has some pretty mundane Celtic hair.

I think he's combined the jewfro and pe'ot (side curls) into one mental stereotype hairstyle.

>>54284747

For all its flaws, Sarna's not bad for finding some basic pictures of BT stuff. The booru is better, but it's a bit harder to sort through.

>>54284197
The Davions actually have a history of being redheads (though typically leaning towards darker shades like auburn).

>>54284845

Used to live right next to a massive jewish neighborhood; it's a thing.

>>54284873
I am currently a Jew; you've got your stereotypes mixed up.

>>54284893

>currently a jew

...were you ever not?

>>54284899
He was probably lured into the devil's fold by the promise of a tight jewish pussy.

>>54284899
That's an ethno-religious question.

>>54284914
Born into it.

>>54284668
That was so cringe my gyro jumped into the next solar system.

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>>54284914

It -is- a pretty compelling argument.

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>>54284971
the gals are ok but I prefer having my own country that no one can take from us

5 C-bills to whoever can guess what faction is most popular in Israel btw

>>54285023

Steiner?

>>54285023
If it's Marians I'd giggle.

But do tell and how did you find out anon?

>>54285023
Comstar?

>>54285023

>but I prefer having my own country that no one can take from us

You already had america, why did you need israel?

>>54285023
>>54285043
>>54285068
>>54285138

Well? You gonna tell or not?

>>54285023
FedSuns would be my guess simply because of overall rate of popularity..

>>54285556

Tbh, they arent even that popular. They are simply the viewpoint faction of the setting. Everything is told through their eyes and even if they arent in the focus they stand in as the straight man to crazy asian bastards and autistic furries. They are simply the yardstick every other faction is compared to. Add in how much of a great story Hanse Davion and his exploits make and no wonder why they are the most popular.

>>54285251

looks like not

jewed again

>>54285680
>>54285680
>Tbh, they arent even that popular
...
>no wonder why they are the most popular.

I can only reconcile this with the conclusion that B-Tech is not very popular.

>>54285251
Steiner.

Sorry, was busy watching a video about the upcoming BT computer game.

>>54285738

>faction known for mercantile prowess is preferred by jews

Fuckin' knew it. Amusingly, in-canon the faction also has a large Jewish population.

while we're on the topic, what would be a good name for a jewish/Israeli-themed mercenary unit?

>>54285993
Jewish Inner Sphere Defense Force

>>54285993
Clan Sea Fox.

>>54285721

Yeah, meant to said they are relatively not that popular.

>>54285993

IIRC one of the clans has a religious hat and it has jews, christians and muslims.

>>54285680
So what you're saying is that they aren't popular, they're just made with the intent of being the most popular faction, and actually are the most popular... but they're not that popular?

Next you'll probably tell me they're the underdogs.

>>54285993
What, are you dumb or something? Jews in space! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUnSGz8vW0U

>>54286136
>Next you'll probably tell me they're the underdogs.

Davions are underdogs. Look how much military they have left after Palmyra. They stand just as much chance of survival as a state against the Combine, as the Capellans did after the 4th Succession War.

Luckily, the Capellan survival sets a precedent, so we don't have to worry about claims of author fiat when the Davions survive, too.

>>54286272
Well, now that you mention the... modernity, as much as I struggle to even remember the latest step ahead, you are in fact correct. I stand corrected.

I still can't help but expect that surprise flip that's inevitably coming. Whereas Combine and Confederation both survived on grounds of "Hanse Davion blinked", I suspect it will be a case of normal secondary faction incompetence and dashing strategic mastermind to the rescue-routine this time.

Sometimes I wonder just how FedSuns became so repugnant to me. But then I remember Hanse Davion and Wolf's Dragoons graciously saving Luthien, and all that.

>>54287070
>I suspect it will be a case of normal secondary faction incompetence and dashing strategic mastermind to the rescue-routine this time.

Well, the head of the ISF is keeping Dykelord Dieron in his own personal sex dungeon and Coordinator Yori actually likes Julian and wants his Davion halfbreed children so I mean not exactly unforshadowed the sort of things that are going to happen.

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>>54286272
>so we don't have to worry about claims of author fiat when the Davions survive, too.

A-HAHAHAHAHAHA!

>pic related

A-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

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>>54287218
>Well, the head of the ISF is keeping Dykelord Dieron in his own personal sex dungeon

>>54287070
>>54287218

All of these. It's clearly getting set up how the Davions will survive, and it'll be 100% bullshit the whole way.

Nothing short of the total annihilation of the faction and everyone in the BT universe bearing the Davion name or bloodline is going to make me feel like the Davions aren't getting unreasonably saved by patron authors.

>>54287218

Further reminder why just ignore everthing in the lore after the Great Refusal.

>>54287305
>ignore everthing in the lore after the Great Refusal.

You mean "ignore everything in the lore after the War of Davion Aggression", right?

>>54287218
Please refer me to the source of this madness. I must read it.

>>54287304
>It's clearly getting set up how the Davions will survive, and it'll be 100% bullshit the whole way.

Half that setup is old DA novel material from before the Jihad books were even written in real life. They're old plot threads, not new ones. Like somebody who never read the novels would think it's some kind of magic that Julian gets called back to be First Prince but Gavin Marik-Davion dropped the whole file on Prince Caleb's craziness and the files on Harrison grooming Julian as his true heir as far back as Fortress Republic.

Julian just pussied out and pulled a Victor back in 3135 instead of confronting his cousin who he loved like a brother.

>>54287322
>He doesn't know why Ramadeep Bhatia is nicknamed the Mamba.

The very first scene you're introduced to him, he's fucking one of the pure Pillar of Honor girls that's his double agent and he mentions how the only two things he likes better than having dark secrets to control people is good food and a good fuck, and that he has a personal dungeon that even the rest of the ISF doesn't have access to where he can do things to people even his own goons would balk at.

Ironic since he was kind of like Warlord Sakamoto in that way but with discipline and not a hopeless druggie.

Then FM:3145 tells us he's keeping Katana in there.

>>54287527
meant for >>54287298


>>54287322
Daughter of the Dragon I think? One of the edgiest battletech novels. That's the one with the DA Bounty Hunter making snuff films of prostitutes because that's the only way he can get off anymore.

>>54287527
Oh right, Katana Tormark. Well, that's one character that should languish into anonymity in some dark pit in a dark hole on a dark planet circling a dark sun, and so on.

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>>54287567
>Daughter of the Dragon I think? One of the edgiest battletech novels
>That's the one with the DA Bounty Hunter making snuff films of prostitutes because that's the only way he can get off anymore.
can we just delete the fucking DA already

>>54287577
The way her fuckbuddy Chinn dies is still one of the best moments of the Dark Age.

>Tries to shoot down incoming enemy ASF and crowing about tagging them with her Thor
>He fails the lawndart roll too low to eject
>She barely has time to realize it before the man kamikazes into her
>All her lancemate has to say is "I guess aerojocks are samurai too."

I haven't laughed that hard in a long time reading a battletech fight.

>>54287610
Did I mention the Bounty Hunter's crippled brother that looks like a circus freak from spending all his time in 0G on their personal jumpship who can only get off by hacking into his brother's snuff film collection and watching his brother fuck women to death?

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>>54287567
>>54287610
>>54287679

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>>54287679

That's what you get for hiring low rent rape fantasy erotica // schlock horror writing authors like Isla Bick.

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>>54287679

>>54285784
Speaking as a Jew, I've noticed just about all the houses except I think the Liao has a bunch of Jews.

>>54287774
And then you have stuff like that nobody Battlecorps writer who wrote the proto short story compilation that was the Wolf Hunters novel and it was fucking amazing since he actually knew all the cool shit about the universe.

>Fighting on a hostile atmosphere planet with all the cool dome shit and clean culture
>Enemy mercs in old reliable mech chassis and surplus castoffs like a Sentinel and a Cobra
>Real mercs on Galatea
>Accountanttech downgrades of old FCCW and Jihad machines into grogtech zombies
>Fighting underground
>Hunting Blakist remnants
>Literal Elemental waifu
>Clanners not being retarded
>Zenith shipping yard crew
>Actual old school DS/ASF space battle
>Fighting on that one world that got thrown out of orbit
>Technical shenanigans and mech DI

I got a hard on just remembering it. I can't believe that was the only book they gave him. Best DA novel I've read so far.

And I hate to say it, but you know who gets the silver medal? Coleman. When the man is writing the Republic and the Davions instead of the Capellans, he's actually pretty good. Randall's FWL books are pretty great too when he's not pulling the occasional SJW oddball bullshit.

>>54288012
>Wolf Hunters
literally the only good DA noverl

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>>54287679
>>54287639
>>54287567
>>54287527
I am sorry, /btg/. I resisted for long, but I can abate the morbid curiosity no more. I must enter the other side, to witness truth with mine own eyes. I must open the Books. I am going to read one of the dread Novels.

Expect no further communiques. It was an honor to serve with you, gentlemen. Lock the books away again once I am gone.

>>54288117
We need a Haggard Mech.

>>54288117
>Attempt no landings
>Anticipate no communications
>Expect no exceptions

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>>54288117

Just don't come back and say we didn't warn you.

>>54285993
Maccabee Battalion

>>54285993
The Republican Party.

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>>54288976

>>54285993

Stars of David
Hebrew Hammers

So, what Dark Age elements are actually worth salvaging for a less retarded alternate take on the era?

>>54289454
Partial Wings and Talons are pretty neat.

>>54289454
The Dark Age ship mostly rights itself once you hit around 3135. The major stuff from after that time you need to throw out are Fortress and the Wolf Empire.

The absolute most retarded bit of the Dark Age is its entire conceit and focus which is the Republic of the Sphere. It just plain shouldn't exist as a state. But if you tear out the Republic, then most of the DA becomes unrecognizable. The only way you could maybe fudge a state there would be that the former Protectorate worlds are too rebellious and unstable to deal with using the depleted funds and militaries of the various states, so they become a kind of new Protectorate without Blakists and a sort of demilitarized neutral zone.

But even that makes no sense as nobody in their right mind would ever ditch jewels like Terra, New Earth and Epsilon Eridani for some vague nonsense when they conquer enemy planets with half a thousand years of hostile culture any day of the week.

The DA isn't too bad as it is once you read all the material and accept some of the full retard requirements. Like accept that the RotS exists no matter how stupid it is, and then the stuff about how it falls apart is pretty neat.

>>54289454
crazy biker gang splinter factions
armed industrials that aren't replacing actual mechs
combined arms that isn't replacing actual mechs
crazy mixes of gear from every era
everything in >>54288012
the HPG collapse thing wouldn't be bad aside from the JJ Abrams mystery box 'muh ghosts' retardation element
that's literally it

The Dark Age is an abortion by committee. The fact that the board game writers salvaged as much as they have is remarkable. How well they'll do the same with the retcon the new video game will present us with, will be the test of the new line developer and co.

>>54289841
>How well they'll do the same with the retcon the new video game will present us with, will be the test of the new line developer and co.

They're not going to do anything with that but ignore it. Nothing else that can do, reasonably. It's right in the middle of the Fronc for god's sake.

>>54289841
>How well they'll do the same with the retcon the new video game will present us with, will be the test of the new line developer and co.
Considering the entire retcon amounts to
>there was a shitty little periphery state wedged in between the TC and MoC in the 3020s that had collapsed out of existence by the 40s
That isn't exactly going to be hard

>>54289841
It'd all be much better rushing forcefully forward into it, instead of tippy-toeing about.

Well, anything would be better than releasing material every other year between franchises.

>>54289922

Does fuck a bit with the good Magistracy/TC relationship that was going in that era though.

They should have set it in the Bush Wars stuff for the FWL and Lyrans during the War of 3039 really.

>>54289922

I keep my expectations very low.

>>54290101
Shoulda stuck them out in the coreward antispin ruins of the Rimworlds.

>loose minor coalitions of worlds
>shit ton of ancient secrets and star league tech
>greedy Lyran raids
>and two of the three best pirate kings of 3025

I could have had Redjack Ryan and Butte Hold.

>>54290167

yeah but we gotta have strong stereotypical female protagonist and the MoC as the good guys anon

>>54289841
Your opinion is an abortion
Dark Age is by definition the best era to play

>>54290790
> /r/im14andthisisdeep

>>54290543

Good. Battletech's overdue for it.

>>54290803

back to plebbit with you

>>54289293
Stars of David sounds like inexplicably jewish ninjas.

Or a rock band.

>>54284606
Michael Biehn?!

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>>54287679

Which book was this? I HAVE to read it!

>>54290870
>using the term plebbit unironically
>in 2017
>mfw

>>54287936
BT = product of the '80s. Memories of WW2 and its darker moments were fresher, and Israel was a useful regional ally against all those Soviet-backed Arab nations. Viewpoint factions like Steiner and Davion accepted Judaism as just another religion, the much-ignored Mariks just considered it one more reason to throw a civil war, and Kurita (being the designated black hats of the era) considered Judaism a capital offence.
(In case anyone cares, it was because Jews refused to worship anyone other than God as God, and if you weren't willing to disguise that by considering 'God' just another name for the Dragon, you were inherently not sufficiently loyal to the Dragon. The Azami Muslim sect got away with it by sleight of hand: they pretended to worship the Dragon, and the Dracs pretended to believe them. Jews in the Combine, on the other hand, were just a little too stiff-necked for their own good and either got pogromed or driven into hiding.)
I honestly do not remember what Liao's view on the matter was. Of course, they were a bit busy being Space North Korea in the original House Books, so....

>>54292617
>The Azami Muslim sect got away with it by sleight of hand: they pretended to worship the Dragon, and the Dracs pretended to believe them.

The Azami mainly got away with it by being a semi-autonomous vassal state. Kurita didn't force them to do fuckall but provide their share of troops and treasure. On the flipside, the Dragon didn't provide shit in return.

"Big meteor wrecked your capital? You need offworld aid and medicine? Sucks to be you."

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Man, it's late ... and I'm tired!

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As a kid I had some of those cutaways I remember a Ryoken, and Mad Dog... as posters in my room.

Anyone have them? I'd love to have some of them again.

>>54277407
It's honestly a shame that the Atlas is
>A):really not that great
And
>B):decidedly rare in the fluff
Because it looks fucking great, and besides which, most everybody has a mini or three for it

Dear Inner Sphere

Congratulations, you got a reaction from clanners. That is what you wanted, quiaff?
Well, I have decided I dont like freeborn like you. You have messed with the clan of the wrong trueborn.
Before you get excited, you have not even made me angry. I am a hard person to make angry. However, I despise freeborn like you.

Your pitiful fighting skills are hillarious. Fighting ComGuards and putting up with truces are level 1. Can you fight in a Trial of Refusal?
Can you land through safcon without leaving a mark? Your silly little truce will not protect you. I have fought on many planets and recieved Watch intel on the enemies.
I have fought in trials. I have been fighting since I had a mech. It is what I was raised to do.

You have no idea to the extent of fear you should be feeling. All you are is a community of spheroid surats. Have you ever murdered anyone?
I have no empathy and I will probably feel joy peeling your skin off your face.

You think I am giving you an empty threat, quineg? Believe that. I have Watch agents in dark places that I do not want to know about.
If you live even close to me you better fear for your life.

Track my Exodus Road if you want to, but I am smart enough to use a Diamond Shark JumpShip.
Invade my homeworld if you want, but it will just make it easier for me to batchall you.

With honor.

A trueborn.

P.S. I would fear for your life while you still have it

#message to innersphere

>>54296094
It's true.
As a seemingly lifelong forever GM, I do get the chance to fix this sort of thing, fortunately
For the first point, I changed the 'canon' 3025 model to a variant of my own devising, which removed the MLs, reduced the LRM rack to a -5 and took a ton of armor, in order to add a PPC to each arm, which overall makes the thing quite a bit meaner in 3025 terms, and I messed with some 3050, 58 and 67 variants that also are a lot meaner (especially for the poor old dracs)
For the second point, I just added it to the FWL and somewhere periphery (beside the stalker) factory lists to justify a higher percentage of IS/(especially) merc/periphery General mechs being atlases

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Late night Perseus bump

>>54290790
I concur. All the freedom, all the new stuff, none of the factional imbalance.

It is however written with the same good taste and refinement as a tractor oil smeared buttprint on a star-spangled banner on 4th of july.

>>54296094
There are good Atlases and bad Atlases. I like the light-engined Steiner variants the most. They're good, just overshadowed by Nightstars and Devastators.

>>54296242
Dull as dishwater. You've basically made an -RS with none of the charm.

>>54285993
Ezekiel's/Yeḥezkel's Angels?
[spoilers]Wolf's Dragoons - they're the chosen people[/spoilers]

>>54298560
Damn it to fucking hell. This is what happens when I post without enough sleep.

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/btg/ do you prefer the humanoid or walking tank style of mech?

>>54299557
Walking tank. That said, my favourite mech is the MWO design Raven, so shrug.

>>54299557
Humanoids are walking tanks too, have been since the beginning. I think you mean to ask "Hands or shit tier no-hand cripples"

Unless you mean the literal walking tanks like the Goliath and the Scorpion in which case I like them but nobody hardly ever uses quads on the table that I've seen.

>>54299732
>the literal walking tanks like the Goliath and the Scorpion in which case I like them but nobody hardly ever uses quads on the table.
The fact that there aren't more quads is crime to me. Personally I've found the Barghest to be fun and the -flame mechs, but I don't often play Lyrans or Wobbies.

>>54299889
The biggest issue is so many of them look like garbage. I don't know what it is that made people do that wierd animal form crap with them and nonsense back legs but it really hurts when the only actually cool looking quads are the Scorpion (unseen and reseen), Goliath unseen, a couple of the quad vees, the Thunderfox, the Tarantula, Xanthos and maybe one or two more.

Which is a shame since a lot of them have pretty good stats. And I even like a lot of the old bipedal uglies. But I can't stand the things that look like zoids rejects, not even good zoids. Ironic that the biggest totem fest of the Dark Age actually produced some better looking quads than the FCCW era stuff.

>>54299889
I detested the Flames. They were immensely compromisey, primarily suffering from a firepower deficit that undermined their applicability in practically every stage.

>>54299557
I like designs that look like warmachines, rather than a gimmicky approximation of people or mythological beasts.
Guess that puts me in walking tank camp.

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>>54299557
Humanoid. The basis of mecha. I prefer all varieties to exist, but at the core of BattleTech, I think, is the Shadow Hawk.

>>54299557
No preference. Part of the nice thing of BT is the diversity in designs.

>>54300482
>>54300653
But what if a mech could be both?

Like it goes from a regular tank, to a walking tank to a humanoid robot?

>>54300482
The only important question you should answer is if they should have BIG STRONG HANDS

>>54300681
>Like it goes from a regular tank, to a walking tank to a humanoid robot?
You mean like a transformer?
I don't really like transformers.
I was more into Ninja Turtles to be honest.

Seriously though I got a hardon for asymmetric designs and stuff like that.
If you just want giant robots there are plenty of anumu that do that fancy stuff better.
What I like about BattleTech is the grit. Doesn't dip into magical girl territory.

>>54300681
There's those Horse Yiffer tank-quads, but... just looking at them makes me think of badly treated lego technic sets bashed together by horse-raping perverts.

>>54299557

The perfect answer is a mix of both. I love to see a mixture of boxy humans, reverse jointed ducks, walking tanks, trashcans and armored dogs walking togther in their own gait.

>>54300681
You mean like..a Quadvee LAM?

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I entertained myself making a walking tank quad.

It surprised me how much armament I could stack on it, after being so accustomed to there being a constant lack of space on all quads I've ever gotten my hands on.

>>54301230
>>54301230
>You mean like..a Quadvee LAM
Quadvee->LAM So, like it goes from being a tank to 'air-tank mode' to being an ASF?

I'd be down with that.

>>54299557
I prefer pretty much the unseen, and anything after that looks good, no matter what type. On one hand classics like the Shadow Hawk / Dougram, Battlemaster / Bigfoot and Warhammer / Tomahawk are awesome, but I don't know how to categorize the Marauder. Would it be considered more of an alien design?

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>>54300681
>Like it goes from a regular tank, to a walking tank to a humanoid robot?

No, because it's almost impossible to make it look good.
Just look at the chicken-legged Gurren Lagann from one of the Parallel Works.

Gurren Lagann looks amazing, that thing looks absolutely atrocious.
Giant robots are works of art, not "Hey, let's give Mona Lisa a beard!" school projects.

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>>54301370
>but I don't know how to categorize the Marauder

It doesn't categorize with ANY of the other original Unseen, which is part of what made the Marauder so (IMO) damn cool and contributes to its enduring popularity.

Pretty much all of the original Unseen (initial 14) shared thematic artistic links with one another, mostly but not entirely based on the properties they were licensed from.

Shadow Hawk/Griffin/Wolverine/Battlemaster (the unified aethetic of the 1st three is obvious, but the Beemer counts as well, sharing a *lot* of stuff with the Wolverine, like the round calf bulges, SRM rack, armored hip assembly, and "magazine-fed" main weapon; the cockpit/searchlight assembly are similar to the Griffin).

Warhammer/Rifleman share identical legs, and those three plus the Archer all share similar aesthetic ideals in their design (particularly in the hip region)

Wasp/Stinger/Phoenix Hawk/Crusader are all varying levels of armor over the same general (Valkyrie) design.

Locust, like the MAD, is unique; while both it and the MAD are digitgrade, they share essentially zero aethetic qualities beyond that; the Locust being forward-weighted from the torso instead of the arms, far more "straight up-and-down", and without the smooth lines of the MAD.

...and so finally there's the Marauder. There's absolutely nothing like it in the original boxed sets (BattleDroids or BT2e). From the most literal interpretation, it probably should be classified as "alien", seeing as it was the only Zentraedi design to make it across into the boxed sets (and the Ost Mechs in TRO3025 were so far removed from their source battlepods as to be unrecognizable). TRO3025 added a couple of other general digitgrade Mechs, and added the Catapult which partially mimics the MAD's shape, but without the aethetic counterbalance of the heavy forward-thrust-arms to the weighty rear torso/AC assembly, but generally, the Marauder is "like" nothing else in the game for the game's first ~10 years.

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What is AE86 of battlemechs?

>>54302741
I half want to meme...
but as a huge car geek, the AE86 is trash all around, I'll spare you why. It's got quirk and loved because of that.
I'd jokingly say because how slow an urbie.
But because it's so close to night, but rubbish a Shad 2h feels like a decent fit. Little work they aren't bad.

>>54302741

Stop being a fucking weeb.

>>54302846
You're on a weeb mech forum, small fry. Behave or else!

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>>54302741
P-Hawk?
sportier model of a light unit
Old as dirt
both feature in anime

>>54302891
BT is divorced from weeb 'mecha. Deal with it.

>>54302899
How rare are Pixies for Steiner?

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>>54302741
>he still uses run speed instead of MASC

>>54302934
Not all that uncommon given that every house had them and coventry produced them.

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>>54302612
The early 80s was a special time for mechs in a way, at least for an old fart like me. I think the only other show that has an alien looking mech that might have been good for maybe a protomech is that MOSPEADA with the inbit / invid mechs, especially the scout and trooper machines. The Alpha / Legios did end up in that one Spider and the Wolf comic and scenario pack as the Hornet before that ugly ass Hornet was made to replaced it. I love a lot of the other machines that came throughout the years, but there was really nothing like those old machines.

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>>54301233
I was messing with assaults last night myself, though not quads. It just amuses me how much goodstuff you can cram in a basic Introtech design that goes 3/5 instead of forcing 4/6 fat heavy syndrome. I mean don't get me wrong, I love the Cyclops and the Victor is cool too, but there needed to be more actual "assault" 'Mechs in that era. Stalker and Awesome are the only two that really fit the bill; even the Atlas is a bit anemic in some ways, thought it's pretty good overall.

I should mess with Quads more. I don't know why I don't. They are plenty roomy when you keep them to all standard components, but of course that really limits the payload weight. I think the loss of torso twisting is one big issue, but if turrets had existed from the get-go, Quads would have been the superior choice in way too many instances, I think.

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>>54302612
>seeing as it was the only Zentraedi design to make it across into the boxed sets

Has anyone ever researched or asked the old BTech people why hadn't they taken in the other 2 Zentradi (there is no 'ae' in their name, people) designs?

I mean, some of the old designs were more than obviously inspired by them but it's not like they were buying this stuff piece-meal, is it?

>>54302917
チンチン食べていますを止めて下さい

>>54301284
The big question is when it changes modes...where do the weapons go?

>>54303093
We speak FedSun here, Cappie scum!

>>54303093
>(there is no 'ae' in their name, people)

Blame Jack McKinney (both of him). It's spelled "Zentraedi" all through the RoboTech novels, and I'm both too old and care too little to change the spelling now.

>チンチン食べていますを止めて下さい

That's inconsiderate. Have you considered that, being on /tg/, anon might *like* eating cock?

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Why is the cockpit on this Rifleman so huge, and how is the mech in such a position without a visible pilot? I think this looks good otherwise.

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>>54303719
>Why is the cockpit on this Rifleman so huge

Because it's based on the reseen.

What are some of the most common mercenary mechs in the Dark Age?

>>54303821
I like everything about that version of the old Rifleman except the feet. Anyway, it's like the cockpit is the entire center torso. How could you not hit it repeatedly with LB-Xs and SRM swarms?

>>54304127
Whatever has the highest production numbers among the General availability models are probably a good bet. Most baseline Merc groups are going to have stuff from the 3050s mostly, and probably still some Introtech. More successful units might have some Jihad salvage as well as their shiny new "bought new" stuff.

>>54304184
The 8D is 3064, man. And the cockpit is still smaller than big bubble boys like the Battlemaster.

I like big glass honestly. I'm sick and tired of newer battlemech designs making them into stained glass windows of little panels. OG Project Phoenix and clickteck machines like the Valiant are really the last time you see them.

>>54304127
>>54304268

As somebody whose read a lot of DA stuff, most mercs tend to have newer FCCW/Jihad/DA stuff because it's already so fucking hard to make it as a merc from 3080-3130, only the wealthiest and most connected boys survived. Super common stuff is multifaction MWDA machines like Blades, Spiders, Phoenix Locusts, P Griffins, P Stingers, Packhunter II's, Ryoken II's, Jupiters, other Space Jew general market stuff.

It's not until the mid 3130's you start to see more old machines brought out of storage and regular old school mercs. You can blame Stone and his penultimate faggotry that was the Military Materiel Redemption Program.

>>54304651
You know, all the mercs just packing up and going home on account of unemployment or turning in their mechs for gift cards never made any damn sense to me considering that literally half of settled space was not at all in on the disarmament thing and actually in desperate need of troops besides

>>54305555
When every major hiring hall world is either under disarmament faggots or clanner control and the MRBC is dead, kinda puts a major wrench in the sphere wide logistics of the mercenary life. Also, the Capellans and the Mariks aren't exactly half the Sphere. More like a third. That said, there should've been a shit ton of mercs in the old FWL. They didn't really get any good pagespace until right before the Andurien War though.

You want sad? How about Solaris going to 90% non-mech combat with mech fights considered "touristy" by the locals who would rather watch tank and infantry fights.

>>54305555
Literally nothing about the Dark Age lead-in fluff makes an ounce of sense if you give it as many as three seconds of thought
>>54305736
Not him, but the ex-FWL and periphery put together gets pretty close to half, add the capellans in and half is a bit low

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>>54305736

>'mech fights looked down upon

That's some horseshit. If I wanna watch infantry and tankers fight I'll visit the local liquor-serving strip club right by the base around closing time. Solaris was great because of giant robot fights where all kinds of crazy shit goes.

>>54303346
It's in Drac, friendo.

>>54306294
You all look the same, treacherous freedom-hating spacecommies. FedSuns forever!

>>54305864
Don't worry, anon. When the Wolves conquered it, they put a stop to ALL the games.

>>54306397
Then started them back up, using them as a recruitment program.

How hard would it be to board and capture the average battletech corvette?

>>54309161
How good is the security at your FLGS?

>>54309161
Depends upon the faction fielding it. That would determine the quality of any marines or BA troops onboard.

Corvettes are light patrol/picket craft, so the issue so much isn't the security on the craft, it's other friendly forces responding to a boarding attempt.

How would you go about unfucking the Rakshasa? I have a special place for it because it was the first model I ever got, but its never been anything other than a disappointment on the table for me.

>>54309543
Yeesh, that's tough. A good start though is to just use the MDG-1Ar, the one with the Snubbies and MML racks backed by Meds. It's not a Mad Cat Lite anymore, but it is actually ok.

The big issue with the Rakshasa is that it is mated to an IS XL, which is just a catastrophe. You could probably drop it to a SFE but you'd lose the missiles entirely, making it just a laser boat, and at that point is it really worth it when mechs like the Flashman exist?

>>54309543

Try the RACshasa, anon.

>>54310344
I would but I really like the missiles on it. I think I'll take >>54309680 suggestion. I might just end up using the model as a proxy for a mad cat instead if I can't get it to work out.

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>>54305864
>That's some horseshit. If I wanna watch infantry and tankers fight I'll visit the local liquor-serving strip club right by the base around closing time.
been there, done that.

>>54309543
Just use the version that swaps the ERLLs for standard ones.

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>>54305864
>>54311067
>bar full of dudes from two different tank battalions shouting slogans louder and louder one upping each other
>couple dudes shout out the slogan of infantry battalion
>ALL the tankers turn on them with a "The fuck did you just say?" look
Ah, memories.

>>54309161
Well anon, one of the very many issues with the canon WarShip designs is that most of them *didn't actually remember to include a marine detachment*, so technically you've just got to deal with the crew, who usually number between one and two hundred.
You'd need a couple dozen guys in battle armor or a hundred or so regular marines, most likely
And afterwards you'd have to repair whatever damage you caused to put it in a position of being able to be boarded, which is the real difficult part

>>54303719
In universe explanation is that Rifleman was designed as Anti Air mech, meaning pilot needed good view around him to see all the attacking ASFs

>>54313226
Putting him in a glass bubble on top of the 'mech would have made more sense then. Above the barrels which obstruct the pilot's peripheral vision. Even with the radar mast, one could get 270 or more degrees of FOV out of that.

Cockpit placement is just plain Rule Of Cool, but don't even the fictional in-universe engineers admit it.

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>>54313555
I think in AA mounts clear forward view is more important than side view and you want your guns to be as close to the gunner as you can as to not have targeting issues throwing off your aim.

Picture related, as I think that was the aesthetics they where going with the Rifleman in all of forms.

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check out my Jenner

>>54313798
You almost managed to make 3 med lasers one worse.

>>54313798

>slow
>no jump jets
>ballistic weapons
>Feddie weapons
>"Jenner"

Anon...

>>54313663
>clear forward view
While this gunner has indeed a front window, you'll notice that he has extra men assisting in spotting, and nothing obstructing his view from above, only to the left and right because
>targeting issues
and that's perfectly valid for a man-aimed weapon, but guns in BT are aimed by coputers following the pilot's crosshair and sensor data. If they were aimed directly, we'd read about calibrated gun-cameras with rangefinders and crosshairs consulted in battle to aim each emplacement, or at least genius 'mech-scale snipers scoring headshots with gauss rifles after aiming down scope, not waiting for the crosshair to go golden.

The gunner-over-gun placing was used in a few RL bomber tailguns iirc, but I can't really point my finger on the exact models. I want to say B-52 and Tupolev, but I'm not 100%.

>>54313798
Errr, probably works better as a Raven actually..

>>54314274
>>54313863
Yes, but its
CHEAP
AS
FUCK

>>54314735
You want?
I got discount for you!
Take outdated Raven!
Strip out all ECM gear!
Mount RAC 5 and 2 Magpulls!
Cheap Cheap Cheap!
Under 3 million C-Bills!

>>54314806
>"Vasily got best MadWolfs cheap!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cufG2Dlxvk

>this is what the black dragons actually believe

>>54314806
Raven a bit beat up but engine still good?
Strip ECM gear and can go to NEW, better unit!

I guess its basically a Garm

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>>54313226
>>54313555
>>54313663
>>54314343
Pretty sure that's a bogus explanation given Battletech is canonically first generation mobile suits in this regard with cameras all around you providing you with vision wherever needed.
Not the 360 cockpit of the more advanced post-Gundam mobile suits but the same thing used by Zakus, VFs and most other clones of MSG at the time.

>>54315361
Later models of Mechs get a compressed 360 degree view projected on to the neurohelmet's screen, in addition to the HUD already in the cockpit.

>>54283144
This
They were formed to prevent Steiner/Drac tears. The state is literally introduced and killed off in the same book, kind of like how they talked about the Comguards resurgence in TRO 3145.

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>>54305736
>How about Solaris going to 90% non-mech combat with mech fights considered "touristy" by the locals who would rather watch tank and infantry fights.

>>54309543
Unfucking? Is that some sort of a joke? It's a brilliant cavalry mech with not a single weak variant.

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>>54309680
>It's not a Mad Cat Lite anymore
I think that's part of the problem with the Rakshasa. It's trying too hard to match the top speed. Any 75 tonner scooting around at 5/8 is going to be left with very little tonnage to spare.

There's a little more wiggle room possible if you're willing to sacrifice the top speed.

>>54316873
>pdf
For what purpose?

>>54316873
>very little tonnage to spare

Gaarrgg, I hate, hate people who shunt the game into "if it fits, I sits"-mode. There's so much to be done with 5/8 heavies that can't be done with 4/6's. First and foremost it's the breaking point between catching clan mechs and being punching bags.

>>54314835
>This is what the Draconis Combine actually believe

There corrected that one for you, as the whole nation has a weaboo hardon on the myth of the Imperial Japan, in a extend that actually Terran japanese are going wtf are you doing.

Theodore Kurita was god damn shining beacon of hope for the Draconis Combine, but then writers who didn't like their "muh honor" samurai nation getting actually competent decided to undo everything.

>>54317486
Except at this point you will have to concede that Draconis Combine and its cultural insanity and barbarity are a whole entity of its own. Draconis Combine is Draconis Combine, rather than Space Fake Japan in in-universe terms.

The fact that it reads like Space Fake Japan is a problem of inept authorship by inept weeaboos, but not a fault of the faction itself. What it does it does in reference to its own culture and internal non-euclidian space fascist cum borderline retard logic is "for the coordinator", not "for the emperor", and so-on. So blaming the faction for weeaboo is not only irritating and degrading, but also inaccurate.

>>54317486
I always thought it was ironic when you read about the Combine, that the Coordinator wields the most complete power over his state compared to anyone but the Sunny-era Caps, to the point where the Mariks admire the Kuritans ability to mobilize and get shit done. But then when you read what's going on in the Combine itself, it's much less stable than anybody else, with Coordinators getting killed and assassinated and undermined pretty much every generation.

The Kuritans hold to their traditions instead of their blood, and it really affects the state horribly. Look at how often the last names of the Warlords change.

Even when Teddy himself was coming of age, his second Cousin, the Warlord of Rasalhague, tried to kill both him and his father. Only the planetary governor wanting to get a boost in his own political fortunes saved Teddy with the hope of becoming the new Warlord Rasalhague. Ricol snapping that motherfucker's neck for trying to leave him to die at the starport right in front of Teddy was fucking ace though. I forgot what an old school villain Ricol was. It makes his later retardation that much more painful.

>>54317637
Just when (in book terms) did the Dracs go Japan crazy anyway? In the Gray Death Trilogy, their representative characters (Ricol, Sing)are more arabian/indian than jap.

>>54317778
Dracs were always Japan crazy in Benjamin and Galedon. The guys you're thinking of are from Dieron and Rasalhague for the most part. The Davion border stories focused on the first group and the Steiner border stories on the second group.

>tfw nobody remembers that the Sorensons are from Rasalhague anymore

>>54317778

>Just when (in book terms) did the Dracs go Japan crazy anyway?

1st Edition boxed set at the absolute latest.

>>54317747
Yeah as I understood he liked what Teddy K was doing to Draconis Combine aka bringing it kicking and screaming to to the 31st Century, but then later writers made him a Black Dragon. god damn it.

You can bet that if Minobu Tetsuhara had survived Misery we would be reading him being Black Dragon aswell, that's how retarded the writers where.

>>54317925

One of the more interesting what if scenarios is what if he actually won at Misery? What if he challanged Wolf to single mech to mech combat and BTFOd him and crushed their morale without ever needing the warlords troops? The whole thing about the dragoon spy satellites were retarded, why something basic as that was painted as a genius strategic manouver?

>>54315385
I know about that one as well but it seems like a completely retarded idea (giving a 360 projection you can look around in is fine but mapping 360 degrees of vision directly in front of you would not only have no real use information-wise, it would also have you decorate the already bobbing mech with your stomach fluids) so w/e.

>>54317925

It was just fucking idiotic.

They needed a plausible rival to Hanse so the Suns would have someone who seemed like a threat, except that every time they clashed the Suns cruised to effortless victory, which undermined the notion that the Combine in general and Theodore in particular were actually dangerous.

Then when the Dracs were no longer required to pose any kind of threat they went 100% herp and derped every way they possibly could to make the WoB look even more dangerous, fucking them up so badly for the Dark Age that literally the only way for them to be a plausible threat to the Suns was for the Suns to brutally fuck themselves over and attack with the assistance of a Clan and the Dragoons on their side to boot.

>>54318062
It's not the satellites themselves, it is the fact that the Dragoons didn't fight in the space so Minobu being honorable guy he was didn't use his ASFs either and the satellites went unnoticed.

>>54318178
Before Vincent got blown up, he actually had a decent plan of attack. Let the Dragon's Fury carve up Prefecture III for him in his name while he went "Oh, they're not official Combine troops. The Combine is the Republic's friend as we've always been. You should go do something about those Capellans and Falcons."

Basically the same sort of strategy being currently employed in Ukraine.

Unfortunately, he never shared any of those thoughts with his Warlords or his spymaster or his son because he thought it was more useful to be underestimated by his own people and let them think he was even weaker than his father when he was actually much more aggressive and intelligent. He thought it would be easier to root out traitors that way. That was his big fucking mistake and showed he didn't learn shit from his family's history.

Now we got Yori, who has daddy issues, adoptive daddy issues, and gets wet for handsome Davions.

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>>54318305
>Now we got Yori, and gets wet for handsome Davions.
This being like the 3rd or fourth time a kurita has gone after a davion. Are Kuritas really just tsun for davions?

>>54318567
Naw, fantasy/wish fulfillment. The weeb writers wish they had hot asian girls lusting after them.

>>54318567
They always want to fuck Davions from the other side of Davion space. Julian is from the Capellan March. The day a Kuritan falls for a Sandoval-blooded Davion is the day the universe implodes.

>>54318663
>Julian is from the Capellan March.
Is he? He's a descendant of Jackson Davion, who resided on Argyle in the Crucis March. I'd guess the family branch stayed there rather than go into Hasek territory.

>>54318195

Well that's fucking retarded too. "Being honorable" as an excuse for making stupid strategic mistakes is shit writing. Real people don't do that, and it makes the books even more terrible.

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>>54318567
>This being like the 3rd or fourth time a kurita has gone after a davion.

Big White Penis Effect.

When under normal circumstances all you have to choose from are tiny Asian penises, it makes sense that the Kurita woman are going to go after the Davions when they're presented with the opportunity.

>>54318801
Duchess Hasek is his Aunt and he spent a lot of time growing up in her household until he went to military school. He was only on Argyle as a young child.

>>54319099
Amanda Hasek? She's Caleb's aunt, not Julian's, as far as I can follow. Her sister married Harrison Davion.

Julian is from a different Davion branch, although that didn't stop Amanda from making him her pet project after he became Champion.

>>54319221
Since we're talking Amanda, can we all just take a second and appreciate how much she wanted Harrison's dick and how livid she was when he ran off and fucked some clanner after her sister died instead of her?

>>54277407
>Our /btg/ Merc Unit! 2017-05-01
>https://pastebin.com/3ffaLH9C


Is this some kind of joke? "Our"? What is this, tripfaggotry freeform roleplay now?

>>54319277
Ah hell, that was an idea a couple months back. It should be abandoned come next thread. No one has talked about that for over two months.

>>54319273
Having seen pictures of both, I can't blame Harrison. I liked the old fashion debacle anyway..

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Did any models ever get made of the Japanese battlemech redesigns? Some of em are hella rad.

The Zeus is my fave. It looks almost outta Zeon.

>>54319342
>you will never own a Harry Bear with an absurdly awesome t-shirt

>>54319830
Nips made a few fan one off models but nothing ever official or produced in any quantity greater than 1.

>>54319914
It's a bit of a shame really. As far as obsessively trolling niconico takes me, it seems JP BT is almost entirely a nostalgic pursuit for geezers who got their hands on the book as kids way back when in the mechwarrior days.

S-say, now that I think of it, that sounds awfully familiar...

>>54320481
I want to see the USA base boys in Okinawa face off against the locals in a grogetech match now. It seems like that should have happened more than once or twice in the 80's but I never heard any stories about it.

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>>54320534
And I want to see the Japanese novels translated. There's some illustrations by Kenichi Sonoda on them. Kenichi motherfucking Sonoda. Think on that.

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>>54320481
>As far as obsessively trolling niconico takes me

Heh, I watched a bit of that IDOL COMM@NDER playthrough. It's weird just how well the Japanese dub works with the game, even if he's playing IM over it.

So in the entry for the Mad Cat 3 it mentions that everyone other than Nova Cat and WiE hate it on the grounds of going against everything Kerensky ever taught. Is there an actual reason for this hate or do they just not like Clan Space Jew selling it to the RotS?

>>54322070
It's another mech in the "Let's sell shit to Spheroids" line, which pisses off the rest of the Clanners something fierce.

>>54321826
>Girls und Battlemechs

Please tell me that this is real, and that it's filled with loli panty shots and awkward quasi-sexual bathhouse episodes.

>>54322188

I wish. God doesn't love us enough for that.

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>>54322188
If only...

>quasi-sexual bathhouse episodes

I'll never understand onsen episodes. We get it, guys. You have nude baths. Big deal.
Then again, beach episodes and what not are the same kind of shit.

I learned more from some of the episodes in GuP than I've done in 3 or 4 old History channel tank documentaries.
I could never understand people who'd seriously even suggest watching that show solely for the girls.

>>54322188
>>54322232
>>54322262
It did actually exist briefly. As a 4chan quest, alas, and nothing more. It should be in the archives.

>>54322462
>>54322262
>>54322232
>>54322188
Jesus fuck, and I thought you guys couldn't get any worse. This right here makes this thread worse than the official forums. Congrats on being worse than MadCap

>>54322589

at least they're not asking for aliens

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>>54322589
Hey, it's the chin-chin eater from yesterday!
I understand you don't like GuP because it lacks chin-chins. You should try Boku no Pico. Great series, great chin-chins.

>>54322631
Let's add Ayys, including a snake with tits. That'll sell like hotcakes!

>>54322657

let's add your mother and kill the series once and for all

>>54322676
Is it faster or slower than what CGL is doing?

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>>54322589
Oh look, it's the "I hate anime on 4chan"-guy.

Bet he does it just to get attention. Well here you go, touhou battletech, just for your starving soul.

>>54322823
Is this from the same guy who made those Touhou x BT pixel arts?

>>54322589

There he is. There he goes again. Look everyone! He sent it through their HPG once again! Is not he just the funniest stravag around?! Oh my Kerensky.

I can almost see your pathetic freeborn frame glowing in the dark, lit by your computer screen which is the only source of light in your HPG station, giggling like a little surat as you once again send your little truce message away and
pay the C-bills. Or maybe you do not even pay the C-bills. Maybe you are such a disgusting little FREEBIRTH that you actually joined ComStar so you just choose your ComGuard assignment. Oh and we all know the ComGuard. The epic
"Truce" guys quiaff? I imagine you little stravag laughing so hard as you click it that you drop your field rations on the floor but it is okay, your Precentor will clean up in the morning. Oh that is right. Did I fail to mention,
quiaff? You live on Tukayyid. You are a honorless freeborn freebirth, so she is probably so sick of it already. So sick of having to do everything for the Inner Sphere, for a honorless freeborn who spends all his time on the HPG network
posting about a stravag truce. Just imagine this. She had this battle, and then she thought you were going to be a bondsman, or a Clan Wolf Khan or something grand, and then you became a FREEBIRTH. A pathetic Trucefag FREEBIRTH.
She probably cries herself to sleep every day thinking about how bad it is and how she wishes the Star League could just reappear. She can not even try to talk with you because all you say is "I REALLY REALLY LIKE THIS TRUCE."
You have become a parody of your own self. And that is all you are. A sad little freeborn laughing in the dark by himself as he prepares to indulge in the same old dance that he is done a million times now. And that is all you will ever be.

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>>54323015
I'm not sure, but I'd almost expect it.

Heh heh, RifleFlan.

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>>54321142
>Kenichi motherfucking Sonoda. Think on that.

I have for years regretted not getting him to autograph my copy of his Gallant B-Club Special (the one with all the Bubblegum Crisis and Gal Force art in it), but thinking about it now, maybe it's better this way; this sketch of Priss probably wouldn't have fit in the book!

My other regret is missing out on meeting Haruhiko Mikimoto and Leiji Matsumoto, who were also in attendance that weekend. Anno was there too, but I didn't know who he was at the time.

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>>54323323
Mmm, man. Sonoda women...

Have you heard anything about him as of late? BURST felt like... like someone going through the measures without the heart, y'dig? It felt like some hasty, poorly written story endings caused by author illness or other mishap. Is the guy doin' anything like he used to anymore?

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>>54323429
>Mmm, man. Sonoda women...

Despite its outdated animation, I prefer his classic designs for the original BGC girls. Nene doesn't even have pink hair in the reboot!

>Have you heard anything about him as of late?
>Is the guy doin' anything like he used to anymore?

It's over and done with (and prior to GSC Burst!), but I read as far in Cannon God Exaxxxion as I could take. I kept thinking the next issue was going to be the one that ended the story, but no, it kept on going!

>>54323535
>I kept thinking the next issue was going to be the one that ended the story, but no, it kept on going!

Ahh... that really is too bad. Well, that's that - an end of an era. I guess excess masturbation does ruin one's brain afterall.

Also, saved. Cute as fcuk.

>>54323127
But that's a Warhammer!

>>54318144
Maybe Mechwarriors learn to use a 360° FOV? Presumably they start out being violently ill, but the human brain is surprisingly adaptable, even into adulthood. It might be possible, especially with the aid of a neurohelmet, or better yet, EI/VDNI.

>>54318144
>>54326334
We drive our cars just fine using rear view and side mirrors without throwing up.
I don't think they mean pilots are having their vision eaten up by this 360 view. It'd only be an additional piece of visual data they can look at when desired.

Modern cars are already experimenting with 360 digital rear view systems.

>>54326334
>>54326395

In the novels this is exactly what it's described as. A full 360* view displayed in about 180* with dividing lines for weapon firing arcs.

>>>/m/15691852

Do people hate melee in Battletech?

>>54329202

No. There's hatchets, swords, maces, and claws for reasons.

>>54329202
Have you never played Battletech? Brutal clobbering, kicking people's faces in, shoving your fist through their weak rear armor and uprooting trees for makeshift beat sticks is Battletech 101.

>>54329286
I have and I love it for that.

>Panther blasts the arm off a Hunchback.
>Pick it up and attack that bastard with the arm
>Hits the cockpit, already weakened, destroys it and kills the pilot.

Love me some melee.

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>>54329202
no, melees fun. Get a mech with Triple strength myomer, and go fast and punch heads off.

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>>54329202

Not at all.

One of the best suggestions from one of our innumerable discussions on 'what would you do if you rewrote Battletech' was when NEA pointed out that he'd add a more robust system of melee combat, similar to Warmachine's system of power attacks. So if you had a Mech with hand actuators you could lock an opponent's arm so it couldn't shoot at you (see pic), or deliberately perform a takedown to knock them prone, or even throw somebody into an adjacent hex and starting a domino effect. Which both makes the melee system more interesting and provides useable options other than "kick", and actually provides a reason for Mechs to have hand actuators, so that removing them for additional crit space is no longer an automatic decision.

>>54331340
>Grapple rules for Battletech
Fund it.

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Speaker: Ladies and Gentlement of the Akuma Corporation

I Present to you, the first.. perfect.. mech

I Object! I know for a fact that mech's cockpit can't eject!

[TRANSCRIPT EDITED]

Security! Arrest him!

[*$&^%*(Let me go!}()#&(*&$]

crowd: Booooo!

Inventor: NO! IT WAS THE PERFECT MECH!
pulls gun, puts in mouth

[TRANSCRIPT CENSORED]

[Record] Communications Coordinator: "Cut the feed!" [/EndRecord]

[BEEEEEP]
[silence]

>>54331421
But fund it lightly, so it doesn't get out of hand!
D&Ds grappling rules are still infamous for their convoluted mess.

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>>54329202
Good lord, that is one horribly bait-y thread.
I still can't fathom how come /m/ is unable to just kill of shitposters. Given how ancient that board is, they should have been able to deal with this sort of shit long ago.

Spam gore and porn with proxies, sagebomb, hide-report-ignore,... It's not fucking rocket science.

>>54331501
There was absolutely nothing the design team could do. He was under so much pressure, but there was just so much firepower, and the engineering tolerances were so tight, that there was no way we were going to get that mech's cockpit to eject.

I want to give this mech Easy to Pilot and No Ejection.

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>>54331501
two 12 damage punches plus two 15 damage point blank shots with snubbies. 4 chances to headshot, 4 chances to WIN!!

>>54331602
The Easy to pilot is just to cancel out the Small Cockpit. Look how easy it is to pop its heat, just fire both snubs, run, and shoot your flamethrowers and you're at 9 heat.

Then walk, alternate fire on snubs, and fire both you're mediums.

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>>54331507
>But fund it lightly, so it doesn't get out of hand!
>D&Ds grappling rules are still infamous for their convoluted mess.

No kidding. I've been futzing with advanced Mech melee rules off and on, and it gets very complicated, very fast. This is where it stands currently, and it's probably still too complex.

>>54331854

>somehow makes too much crunch for a game based on excessive rolls of d6

keep going, please. i wanna see what the end of the rabbit hole looks like

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>>54325694
oh shi- I done a confuse!

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I thought it would be funny if there were a post mortem documentary on this mechs eccentric designer. He was electricuted while working on the mechs internals.

The PPC's cause so much static electricity that they are constantly interfering with the mechs readouts and shocking the pilot constantly. Anyone who pilots one for any length of time will have long, frizzy hair that stands straight up.

Quirks:
Hard to Pilot
Bad Reputation

>>54331972
Why doesn't it have EM Interference then? As it is, I can't see why it would be in production, especially with what you've given as fluff.

>>54332055
Thats whats spooky about it. The electronics seem to work fine, despite the constant shocks the pilots claim to receive. It is difficult to pilot due to distraction, not EM interference.

Almost if the ghost of its creator were guiding your spirit...

>>54332078
I'd hesitate to call anything in BT aside from Xin Sheng and Aliens stupid, but uh... this comes close. Either commit to ghosts I can wrangle with Manpack PPCs, or don't make Mechs possessed by dead crazy people.

Davions: Monarchy
Kurita: Dictatorship
Steiner: Oligarchy
Liao: ???
FWL: Republic

>>54332103
ECM Interferance would cripple it. It couldn't use the C3 Master to target its guns.

>>54332103
You gotta give the universe a little cinematic flexibility if you want people to take it seriously.

>>54331972
Kajitsu? Fruit? Is it in relation to lemons?

>>54332136
Iaijitsu?

What is lightning draw supposed to be?

>>54332078

That sounds fucking retarded. Roll with some offshoot of that one AI program, or relegate yourself to bad maintenance and your own terrible education.

>>54332153
You're welcome. It is a nice mech tho

>>54332128
Welcome to Negative Quirks and you, a Primer for why Unit Quirks can end up making units suffer 4 no raisin.

>>54332134
"This mech is hard to pilot because ghosts are haunting the cockpit" might make sense if it was a couple of one offs, but not a factory produced mech. Especially one that doesn't do anything to really make it worth the expense to begin with. The basic idea might be cool, but not applied like this.

>>54332113
Liao: national-socialism.

The way I think of it, it is a fire support mech that helps close the gap with clan ranges. You could have an entire command lance of them, link up the whole company.

New Thread
>>54332186

>>54331854

Post this in the new thread. I wanna talk about it.

>>54332157

did you mis-click while posting or are you approaching CGL levels of intelligent conversation

>>54332142
Kajitsu means "fruit" most commonly, but lends to a number of other meanings depending on writing form.

The sword-drawing art is iaijutsu or iaido, and the act itself is iai or iainuki.Sword drawing would be battou. Sorry I can't put it in moonrunes, my studies have not advanced to that phase yet.

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>>54331501
>I Object!

Obligatory

>>54332113

Liao is also a dictatorship.