Horus Heresy General /hhg/

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Which legion has the most superior tank rules?

>>54269084
Iron Hands

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>>54269175
They are also buddies with robbuts, right? This might be on to something.

>>54269084
Did forgeworld ever address that thing where superheavy tanks aren't "Tanks" and so don't get certain legion bonuses? If not, do you think they'll remember to fix it with their 7.5 ruleset?

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>>54269084
>Tank's name is Zarathutrax

>>54269480
Aren't most non-Malcador superheavies brought in a special LoW detachment and thus don't benefit from the special rules?

>>54269084
Ultramarines, because Ultramarines have the most superior everything.

>>54269716
Go home Ward, you're drunk again.

>>54269480
No, and no. They had plenty of time to answer everyone's questions and really don't seem to care. I do have a sliver of hope, but I try to hide it.

>>54269384
Yup. Head of the Gorgon is great - aside from outflanking tanks (that's where the super-heavy question comes up), they get cybernetica maniples as elites.

Legiones Astartes rules don't affect tanks, but the IH get that piece of wargear that gives you a 1/6 chance of repairing a hull point per turn, for 10 points. Not that great by itself, but you'll probably have an Iron Father who can do the same on a 5+. It adds up.

>>54269757
And it stacks with IWND if Ferrus is there, doesn't it.

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>>54269480
A doubt of all this, but one thing remains true: house rules exist.

>>54269757
>>54269716
Cheers, I'll check out the Iron Hands.
It's probably a good idea to convert a good lot of the marines, isn't it?

>playing marinelets: the game in 2017

>>54269928
Yeah, a lot of 3rd party manufacturers (e.g. Anvil Industries, MaxMini.eu, PuppetsWar, who knows what else) make bionics bits for space marines. Not sure FW has anything other than its IH head and torso kits, but they're good too. Use liberally.

>>54270417
I've seen surprisingly few Militia players using plastic Cadian models, so it works. They tend to go third-party or even use old metal IG minis. They look fine next to marinelets. Solar Auxilia are fine too, nice and small.

The only scale problem in 30k is Sisters of Silence - they're huge.

>>54270417
>playing guilliman vs chaos gods: the game in 2017

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Any of you guys working on anything neat? I'm sitting in front of a bunch of unassembled shit I can't motivate myself to start anything. Motivate me.

>>54270504
Doesn't their art make them look tall as well?

As for Cadians, I'm planning on using them mainly because that's what the art for Malcador's Chosen makes them look like. Just give their armour some gold trim and shit. They'll make a nice Militia detachment for my Talons for an all out Imperial war host of all the top players from Custodes and Sisters to Knights-Errant and Malcador's personal bodyguard.

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For Pert!

>>54271306
>only one set of hazard stripes
That's a decimatin'.

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>>54271368
Not done yet. Though I like subtle and practical application of hazard stripes. Not too much, not too many.

Shame my desk lighting is so shit.

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Working on these guys. Painting the one with the blade resting on his shoulder, to be exact.
Had a lot of fun converting the fuckers. The base concept was to have them look unhurried and relaxed.

I'm curious how they'll perform this Saturday.

>>54271600
If you have any serious concerns, they will absolutely slaughter everything in their path. I am very surprised you did not take a gauntlet but that's all personal taste anyway.

Be aware that they will need support in the form of decent covering fire or distractions if you want them to win absolutely.

Also if you can avoid it do not put your Tribune in there unless you want that squad ripped apart immediately.

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>>54270741
Just do it anon!
Having your models painted is pure bliss.

What legion and which unit?

>the traitor Mechanicum call themselves the Dark Mechanicum
What a bunch of edgelords. That's Brotherhood of Evil Mutants tier naming.

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>>54271707
That's a nice Iron Hand you've got there :^)

>>54271815
It's afroamerichanicum, thank you very much :^)

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>>54271306
It should be illegal to work this fast

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>>54271700
Well, I mostly avoided the fist to keep their look consistent. I'm already peeved that I can't give the vexilla-bearer a paragon blade.
As for the support, I'm still in the early stages, so I have just six Sentinels, six Guardians, these guys, three agamati and a tribune. Not much going on in terms of fire support yet. I'm still waiting on the Repulsor to convert as a stand-in for the Choronus, since I'm not too fond of the custodes' vehicles.
One of the regulars at the flgs routinely plays Perty and four beep-boops, which is a matchup I'm really interested in.

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>>54272049
This is more recent.

>>54270741
The building is always my favourite part. I just find it difficult to motivate myself to paint anything once I'm done

>>54271707
RIP Ferrus

>>54270741
What legion dude?

If someone could point me in the right direction please. I'm looking for the new Crimson King novel and the Leman Russ and Magnus book.

Can't find them in the mega archive.

>>54272404
Crimson King link is literally in the OP. Check the new mega folder (last link) for the other two.

>>54272262
Do yourself a favor and pick up 5 more Guardians, honestly. 10 in a standard force is a really good balance.

Also fuck the beep boops. Hit them with plenty of Ap2 rape train pieces and a gauntlet to watch them collapse

BTW when are we going to get Angelus? And 8E 30k?

>>54272511
I'll be perfectly honest here: I think Guardians are total shit when compared to Sentinels. Their charge bonus is hard to actually make work without proper Assault transports, the points saved are marginal, Lightning Blows barely ever procs and the guns are fairly underwhelming. If they didn't look aces I probably wouldn't even have those six.
When compared to Rending, rerollable invulns, -1 to hit, improved Overwatch and the ability to provide cover I'll gladly pay the paltry additional sum.

>>54272573
Sometime during M03. Hard to be more specific.

>>54272573
Early to mid 2018 and never, respectively.

>>54272336
Ahh a chaos warhound. I hope to see it progress!

>>54272262
nice, purple looks cool, but maybe go a little easier on the turquoise gemstones and blue blades, it gets a little over the top

>>54272716
The trick for Guardians is to honestly use them in decent numbers, have the Sentinels take a charge, and then throw the Guardians in. Failing that you can also lob a few of them at an enemy just out of reach with a Coronus or deep strike and force them to back up into a dense pocket. Getting them to have the charge requires lots of precision.

Guardians require a lot more finesse to use than Sentinels to the point of where it doesn't seem worth it, but if you play them right they end up being way better overall.

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>>54272744
:(

two wound three attack 2+ 4++ fearless FNP 4+ blade of double wounding furious charge WS 6 sanguinary guard when

>>54273035
The same time we get Sanguinius with his triple wounding bare fists.

>>54272744
Never's a bit harsh but it'll probably be years off alongside an 8.5 or 9th edition. The rules need to evolve eventually and I really doubt FW are going to keep trying to iterate upon 7th.

>>54273098
Is Sanguinius Kenshiro?

>>54273139
No, then he'd do 7 wounds per hit.

>>54272866
Hmm, interesting. I'll keep that in mind for the future. Though I hope you don't mind me having some doubts. So far, I haven't really encountered a problem that the Sentinels couldn't handle (apart from a case of ten Iron Arm'd Cataphractii) while I had a number of cases where Guardians flundered badly. And more than six would necessitate either a seperate transport or deep striking, which I am wary of (too many mishaps over the years, not to mention reserves not showing up for ages).
I'm convinced Guardians only would need one change to make them comparable: Grant them the S+1 AP2 bonus on any first turn of combat, not just when being charged; raise their points to match Sentinels if need be. I imagine charging into a wall of guardian spears should be about as unpleasant as being charged by them.

>>54273116
Yeah, well, never underestimate FW's capacity to stick to their retarded guns. I mean, we all know the volkite butthurt and the subsequent AdMech shittery, which still hasn't been resolved.

>>54273327
>we all know the volkite butthurt
That was before my time. Please enlighten me.

>>54273327
What's this?

>>54273385
FW apparently threw a shitfit when GW made the AdMech Magos have a volkite gun, on account of those being no longer a thing in 40k. Apparently a large chunk of the 30k mechanicum stuff had rules ready to go for 40k but that got delayed for forever.

>>54273385
FW decided that volkite weapons are 30k only and wasn't gonna import any volkite weapons into 40k. Then GW gave a volkite weapon to the plastic Admech magos thing and tartaros terminator sergeant. People say FW was butthurt about it, though I haven't seen any official statements.

>>54273385
FW got bootyblasted when GW let an Archmagos take a Volkite Charger in 40k.

It really upset me too, because FW's anal agony meant that there was no chance DA would get Volkite instead of Grav like I had been hoping.

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>>54273594
Hilarious if true, I am wondering if this means that FW will go full "Fuck GW" and start fixing 7 while taking some good elements from 8th.

>>54273594
>>54273621
>getting angry that an archmagos has old tech
If true then FW are a bunch of weak assblasted faggots.

>>54273594
>though I haven't seen any official statements
Somebody on here said they spoke to some FW guy about that at the Amsterdam event a year or so ago and the guy apparently got really upset about GW doing that behind FWs back.
Take with some salt, obviously.

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>>54273628
>I am wondering if this means that FW will go full "Fuck GW" and start fixing 7 while taking some good elements from 8th.
Oooh I wish, but I don't hate that much hope left.

>>54273628
>Hilarious
Eh, not really. Fucking over gamers over personal grievances is literally Cruddace-tier. See also: the mycetic spore debacle, nobody thought GW were cool for pulling that shit.

>>54273732
The spore was not a matter of personal grievance, but of law.

GW had written about the spores, so they had a legal claim for the name in written form, but Chapterhouse made models with the name, meaning they could claim ownership of the name in miniature form. So, instead of risking this, GW renamed their spore pod miniatures.

Anybody happens to have Lorgar? (Gav's new book)

>>54271600
The swords and shields on the unpainted dudes are not the standard stuff, right? Where are they from?

>>54273972
Looks like spare vexillas.

>>54273780
Okay, so maybe GW had to do that. FW are not under any legal obligation to hold back rules that gamers want, they're just being prats.

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Any of you faggots planning on converting the new Death Guard thing for a Medusa or some such thin in 40k?

>>54274032
GW's also under no legal obligation to not put Tau and Tyranids into 30k.

I think it's just one butthurt employee, maybe some more. But what the fuck did they think was gonna happen? This is't the first time GW has taken something FW created and put it into 40k. GW owns the studio, they can do whatever they want with it.

As for delays, I think it's just assumptions by people. FW is known for their slow ass release schedule and now they have to make their books in 8e.

>>54274109
I'm a fucktard and wrote 40k instead of 30k

>>54274109
Hopefully the sponsons are optional, so I can use my Medusa in 40k using that thing's rules.

>>54274109
Looks like what happens when a Minotaur and a Colossus fuck.

>>54274109
Poorfag's typhon

>>54274109
How do they see out from inside?

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Will we ever get a Space Marine style 30k game? I want to be able to use a jump pack and stab everything with a power spear. That's all I want.

>>54274786
No, we get Drop Assault and Battle of Tallarn.

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>>54275149
How many spess marhens do I need to buy before GW grants me my wish?

>>54275196
If nobody had bought recasts ever and instead bought official Forge World models we might have seen a proper game.

So, I'd guess about 25 million should do it.

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>>54275248
You're a sick and twisted soul.

>>54275248
I feel no guilt over buying a recast Ixion Hale while living 11 hours away by plane from the UK.

Other items... a little bit of guilt. I'm going to keep them to a small proportion of my army, like the outrider bits on attack bikes and mk II dudes on bikes and jetbikes.

>>54275917
>mk II dudes on bikes and jetbikes
They make those?

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Hey /hhg/, got a few quick questions for you. Might be a question for /wip/, but it's a grey area.

I'm painting up my nerdy boys and need your input on which style of bolter looks better for thousand sons:

Standard black and steel parts
White casing and steel parts
White casing, steel parts, gold ejection ports
Or white casing and all brass/gold parts like pic related.

Secondly, I've heard of many people using the 40k sekhmet tartaros terminators with the bird motifs shaved off as 30k sekhmet, but can I do the same for rubrics?

Would the crests and armor be time-appropriate if painted red? I was thinking of using them as veterans with the soulreaper cannons ad stand ins for suspensor heavy bolters, but only if the models would actually wear that style of armor through the heresy.

>>54276055
White casing with steel parts.

They're significantly taller than standard marines but they're in mk IV.

There's plenty of old official art of BoP-era TS wearing the crests. I'd personally use it for sergeants and/or artificer armour.

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>>54275999
No I'm buying Mk II Marines and Kromlech rider legs to replace the Mk IV riders.

>>54276055
I'd do white casing with steel parts. All-gold can work too, but I think it's a bit much. And yes, the 40k rubric marines are closer to primaris size than FW marine size. It's a little weird. The styling itself is perfectly acceptable, TS went all-out on their decorating even before their fall.

>>54272573
Hopefully never for the latter.

>>54273628
This is what fw needs to do.

>>54274109
Looks like absolute shit.

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>>54274529
Guess what kind of place they're going to.

>>54273628
Isn't that kinda what FW said they are doing?

>>54273628
>>54277112
They may stay with 7th but they're going to fix fuckall.

>>54277127
>>54276908
>>54276879
Do you think FW knows anything about their fans? How we think their rules are either hit or typo-ridden SHIT?

>>54277442
They seem pretty oblivious when asked about it.

>>54277442
>gets sent cakes with a couple FAQs written on them
>post the cakes to social media and eat them
>never acknowledge the FAQs

>>54277522
>"They think our rules are so great they made us cakes!"
>send mail bombs instead
>"They think our rules are the bomb!"

>>54277534
>Send anthrax by mail
>"They think our rules are so sick!"

>>54277534
>send nail bomb
>we nailed it!

>>54277534
>Send sharply worded letter.
>rejected by the Royal mail due to the words being a weapon of murder.

Such is the life in the United Kuckdom.

>>54277534
I feel like that was almost so obvious they felt obligated to ignore it.

Then again, it would be nice if their dealing with questions was slightly better than the guys who do WoT.

>>54277978
>I feel like that was almost so obvious they felt obligated to ignore it.
That would have been an amusing act of cheekiness if they had a good track record of fixing their broken shit and actually answered the questions eventually. As is it just makes them look like cunts.

>>54277563
>Send anthrax by mail
>"They want more Death Guard stuff!"

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>>54278088
...it's not like I *don't* want more.

Are Ursarax any good? I really like the models and their slightly Power Rangers-esque visor things, but the rules just seem like they're worse Vorax.

>>54279979
The Ursarax are brutal. The times I played against them, they clobbered everything in their path. If your opponent can't take them out with superior firepower, he's fucked.

That said, they make an excellent distraction carnifex either way.

>>54280015
Nice. I presume that you charge them at threatening things unless they have S10, in which case you cower away in a corner like a Skaven?

Claws or Fists? I was thinking all fists just because I2 is still not exactly amazing, but the Claws are better at straight Marine mulching.

>>54280331
Mostly I die due to facing balanced squads with both fists and claws.

>>54280331
Fists are straight-up better, unless you face plenty of units with lots of unwieldy weapons but no 2+ save or infantry-only GEQ.

>>54277127

Memeing aside, this is pretty much what they've confirmed, isn't it? The 7.5 ed rulebook they're releasing doesn't actually change a thing, it just complies the existing 7th ed rules and gets rid of any that don't apply to HH while doubtless introducing a load of typos and mistakes. It's like FW wants their biggest selling game to die.

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>Play Custodes and friend's Raven Guard against World Eaters at 5k each side
>The RG and WE are pretty evenly matched and I'm mostly staying close by for support and potshots
>WE player gets mad that I choose to wait for most combats to start with the RG before I charge in and rip up his units
>He doesn't grasp that we made it so Custodes will always get the charge
>Kharn and his squad are annihilated by a wave of 30 Assault Marines
>Throws Angron against my 5 Hetaeron and Valdor
>Gets super fucking mad when he only kills two of them and wounds Valdor once before being killed in one round of combat
>Almost blows a fuse when my six Agamatus shoot up his Spartan before the Achillus Dread charges it and kills it
>Game eventually ends with him getting tabled
>He gets really quiet and asks to see my copy of Inferno
>He's looking over the rules and realizes how pricey some of my units are
>Immediately realize I was 300 points under because I forgot a squad
>Say nothing as WE player relaxes and we get drinks

Dude probably would have lost his mind if I told him I forgot a squad of dudes.

>>54280733
>Custodes OP as shit and I play like a WAAC faglord and got some guy mad at me faggotry lol

>>54280753
>Implying I didn't play fluffy

Ok buddy. Didn't realize it was WAAC to avoid being charged by a melee force.

>>54280760
>that whole trainwreck
>fluffy

Go read up on battle of gate forty-two, and find me a citation where Custodes hang back like cowards and let the marines do all the work before engaging.

>>54280788
They're big enough dicks to do that. And Guardians generally aren't on the OP list, at least not by Custodes standards.

But they do seem a bit too effective against Astartes, and hard countered by infantry-heavy militia lists.

>>54280788
>Hanging back like cowards he says
>RG friend says "let me take the lead"
>Cover him whole game
>Literally kill Primarchs and swathes of World Eaters by charging them with just Custodes

>Cowardly

Yeah don't think so champ.

>>54280788
>Killing Angron in combat
>Cowardly

Delusions

>>54280733
Why did he threw Angron alone against all that shit? He was obviously going to be slain

>>54280733
How much of this is recast?

>inb4 all

>>54280886
Don't trigger 91 Custodes man, he doesn't react well.

>>54280874
I wish I knew. I think he thought he could wipe them in one turn or something. I explained the Hetaeron were 3 wounds each and had shields to reroll their Invuls.

He did it anyway and hit with a ton of attacks but I rolled decently and blocked a few of the wounds. Instead of challenging Valdor he just tried to steamroll the whole unit. It was pretty WE of him.

I don't know Angron's rules well enough to know what other ways he could be used.

>>54280886
Uh let's see. Ixion Hale, one Caladius, and two of the Pallas.

>>54280733
>world eaters
>gets really mad
Acceptable.

>>54280814
Yeah, they seem very specialised for horribly raping T4 High Armour in medium numbers and bringing down Marine heavy vehicles, their sole anti-infantry tool worth a damn is the Firepike. When my 100 Levies are done (batch painting YAAAY!) I imagine he'll have a harder time, but I would say that Mechanicum kinda laugh off Custodes due to T7 being very hard to wound with Adrathics, Firepikes struggling against Adsec 4+ saves, Ursarax being an extremely good counterassault unit and access to Haywire and cheap S10 artillery. Also, Grav Myrmidons, holy shit they have a picnic on top of a mound of golden corpses.

Militia give no fucks about losing anything in their army and Solar Auxilia likewise, since Praesdium Shields and all that fancy AP weaponry doesn't really help when you have 120 Guardsmen to kill before you can touch the Demolishers and only have 3A per dude.

>>54280922
It's the nails.

>>54276679
If only they made legs without those silly plates on the front. The standing and running legs have 1 such pair per kit.

>>54280964
Custode player here. I struggle against the two Mechanicus players in my area. One is a powergaming WAAC dude who runs nothing but high toughness stuff. The other one spams infantry with artillery and a super Magos. I've played them both a total of four times and have walked away with ties and close wins with no discernible winner until the end of the game. I've played since 4th ed and I can easily say that Mechanicus are one of the most powerful all-rounder armies in the game while Custodes just generally specialize in tearing up MEQ's.

Mechanicus is just really good at being adaptable and strong against anything while my Custodes just work wonders against elite units. Even if I took lots of SoS it wouldn't do much for me since the extra bolters/flamers/execution bladss aren't enough for the tide. I own 20 Sisters and plan to buy 10 more Bolter ones knowing they'll rarely be used as anything other than anti-psyker ablative wounds.

When it comes to Solar Auxilla I do ok at times, but they also have some pretty abusable equipment that makes it hard for me even if I run three Caladius tanks. I've had three games against them with one loss(my teammates Night Lords fled off the needed objective) and can easily say their numbers are pain. The one time I fought them where it was easy involved his units being the super elite and upgraded versions that were quickly picked apart by lots of guns and two assaults. I was impressed by how hardy they could be but was still wary of how many numbers he could carry.

As it stands I have a Telemon Dread now and plan to order five Aquilon Terminators when they're available. They'll probably be the best Anti-horde I'll have. And that's some sad stuff.

>>54281105
So you went up against all these tough armies, including a full-on WAAC force, and your only loss was when your allies let you down? Doesn't seem like custodes are in that bad a place.

>>54281158
I would like to consider myself a very good player. I have only lost a couple of games in the past six years and regularly play about 7-8 a month. I learned the hard way years ago with my Ultramarines, Lamenters, and occasionally Night Lords. My real lessons of getting fucked routinely was the period of Grey Knights and their halfway point in the ancient codex up until a year after the first introduction of Draigo. I learned painfully what it meant to be outnumbered every single game so I adapted after a ton of losses.

>>54281105
High T Mech is probably the worst specialisation for a WAAC build, honestly. They really don't have much damage for what they cost. I'm assuming the usual Adsec/Castellax/Thanatar/Couple Vulturax Boop Wall? It won't die, but it'll really struggle to actually hurt you when S8 doesn't ID and AP3 doesn't strip armour.

Reductor memetillery is probably the best method after three games against Custodes. Have they actually brought out the serious Mech tricks yet, or is it just Thallax/Medusae/Adsec straight up? I can see Droplites doing a pretty decent job on Custodes armour since turning around an intact squad to clear them is probably also worth the Hoplite squad.

>>54281236
It's a lot of memetillery and tons of Droplites aiming to harass me coupled with the standard loadout you mentioned. I'm really bad with the names and gear of Mechanicus units that aren't 40k, so forgive me.

The most annoying shit are the flying bots, artillery walkers, super Magos, and the Droplites; basically more than half his forces.

I will say the only reason I won once was simply because Valdor rushed his big high T units and murdered them one after another. Had his Molecular Severance not existed I would have been righteously fucked thanks to my poor rolling all game.

>>54281293
Yeah, those are the better units Mech has lying around. Any Occularis? Those might be a pain just for slashing your Jink saves a bunch and blocking your movement.

I will say that being able to completely ignore the attribute that accounts for about two-thirds of a Cybernetica unit in terms of points and essentially making them 1W T6 is perhaps the fastest way to mulch a Cybernetica army I've yet seen. You're not entirely blameless on the WAAC list front too, if you've got jetbike packs, Hetaeron and lots of armour led by Valdor. That's around as dickish as my "fuck you Spartanstar Players" Reductor megalist.

Personally I don't mind Custodes that much aside from thinking their infantry look like ass and their vehicles don't really fit with the foot troops, they're a good match that lets us bring out all the toys, bludgeon each other to bits and then I get to feel smug about killing a few of the Emperor's Guard with literally who artillery, which is always nice even when I lost.

I will say my one gripe with their list is the "everything gets Deep Strike" bit, because it means that combined with ranged tanks pretty much every unit in their arny the presents a massive threat that needs to be dealt with Turn 2 rather than the actual "Ranged Army/Melee Army" dynamic. Fast, sure, give them 8" move or something, but the four units of mini-Primarchs are hard enough to kill without the ability to Nothing Personal anything that could possibly take them down efficiently.

>>54280733
They look like shita bit sub-par. Below tabletop quality. Especially the vehicles.

>>54281870
Bad troll is bad

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Sol, /hhg/ how does an Orbital Assault RoW list work in practice? Can all my units start in reserve? If I go second, before using Drop Pod Assaults, my opponent has a whole first turn of only moving due to me not having anything on the table yet?

I've no clue, the rulebook is not clear on this.

>>54282081
If I remember correctly, because forgeworld are funny sometimes you actually lose if you have nothing on the table at the end of any player turn, not game turn. So, I think you do have to have some stuff on the table when going second.

Anyone here have any ideas for a character for (You)r Legion/Army? Fluff or crunch, either works, just like to see what people come up with. Forge World already gets pretty snowflake, so don't worry about that.

Any custom Custodes or SoS people? Not seen any homebrew for those yet.

>>54282143
I asked that question a long time ago and they said something like "that's not a rule in the main book"

>>54280788
>and find me a citation where Custodes hang back like cowards and let the marines do all the work before engaging.
Literally the only major Custodes deployment during the Great Crusade involved them hanging back and acting as the second wave.

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>>54276679
I did that, with Mantic bikes. I got a whole army full of em.

>>54283402
Yeah, my Tribune Jago Loqor Kektimus who's leading a punishment battalion attached to a mixed Salamanders + Thousands Sons force. He and the rest of my Custodians (I have about ninety or so) have black armor because it's cooler. I've played about a half dozen games with him and only won all of them, which isn't quite as good as I was expecting. I think I might have made him a bit underpowered. I'm thinking I might homebrew up a Blackshield Custodian force and use some Primaris pieces to make truescale Custodians to go with my truescale Thunder Warriors and 600 truescale Space Wolves. Maybe I'll get started after I eat my waffles.

>>54284938
That bike's about as detailed as a Tonka Truck.

>>54285183
Can I see your swolves?

>>54283402
So I have my Praetor, Captain Audron, commanding the Night Lords' 88th Terror Company. The company is a mix of Terror Claws and Raptor squads with Audron ruling over it.
On the table he's a jump pack praetor with a paragon blade leading a full raptor squad. I tried the unit out in a big game with some friends and the praetor and squad managed to charge into an ongoing combat and killed 16 terminators in a single round tanks to talent for murder and some poor rolls on my opponent's side. Based on that I thought I should develop a bit of fluff for him and his boys.

>>54285183
My eyes...

>>54284938

Yeah, not to be a hater, but those bikes look like arse, they don't resemble anything from 30k maybe you could pass them off as Tau, but nobody even hears about those blue pricks for another 10000 years. Then again, I think plenty of people told you that when you first started doing them, so I guess you just don't give a fuck.

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>>54285271
But you don't Rend and Murderous Strike on a 5+ as a Talent for Murder only affects to-wound rolls instead of the effects that proc on specific rolls, right?

>>54283402
I am trying to make a project (it is pretty possible it is going to be slow and expensive).

Since i got back to 40k with my Guard and acquired taste for power armors i wanted to start 2 little marine forces, an HH era Imperial Fist Battalion/Company that would the ancestors of my current era Chapter.

I am still trying to think about about a non snowflake/op fluff where my chapter is average+2 with few over the top stuff, something that is pretty hard for me because i am extremely chunni.

Something that i want to do is a "Generational" Relic Contemptor using the name of one of the HH heroes as a title.

It was down to the praetor and the power axe raptors hitting and wounding on 2s with rest getting a large volume of wounds through as well. Rending/MS aren't affected.

>>54285675
When I first started them I was doing some stupid shit with plasticard that looked like right ass, I think it at least looks better. They look more like mini speeders, I think, and at least don't look like dildos.

>>54286480
Meant to reply to
>>54286001

Give me ONE (1) good reason why Phoenix Spears are only strength +1 AP2 on the charge when Chogorian Lances are strength +1 AP2 by default.

>>54286618
FW aren't very good at making rules

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>>54285183
Post thunder warriors pls

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>>54286618
Power creep

>>54273621
>It really upset me too, because FW's anal agony meant that there was no chance DA would get Volkite instead of Grav like I had been hoping.
That wasn't going to happen anyway.

The DA's thing in 30k is that they were active before the Unification of Terra, and therefore before the treaty with Mars. They use more Terran weapons and fewer Martian weapons than the legions that came after them, and volkite weaponry is Martian.

>>54282081
>>54282143
I've always seen an exemption for the 1st player turn if you're going 2nd. In other words, you don't need to start anything on the board, but after the start of your first turn (when half your units arrive) you will lose if you don't have any units present.

>>54286618
White Scars are better in every other way, why not this one?

>>54288474
purple + gold > white + red desu senpai

>>54288672
Emperor's Children have had to learn to do a lot of things one handed, it's hardly a trait to be proud of.

>>54271480
>possessing a plumeknot outside of the XVI
More decimating required.

>>54286618
>>54288474
The phoenix spear is underpowered; when you don’t charge it’s worse than a power sword because of its two-handedness. imo, it should always be AP2 but only get the +1S on the charge. Not necessarily realistic, but it’d be unique.

>>54274529
Its chaos motherfucker, they ain't gotta explain shit.

>>54289236
Fuck powercreep

>>54289319
Agreed, Inferno was a mistake... though wolves were far less of an anal pain than I thought they would be. (Russ being the only utter bastard potentially, but I nailed the prick with my Lightnings on a fire mission).

>>54289433
Can't wait for Angelus.

>>54289501
I feel nothing but worry, my poor Sons of Horus wait with thier Anus' a puckering.
Though I want so see some cool nightmare science with the Dark Mech, I just don't want it to be broken as fuck.

>>54289433
>Agreed, Inferno was a mistake
You mean Retribution?
>>54289501
S:D suckerpunch Lion when?

>>54289536
No. Retibution had a few stupid things, (Molecular Acid spam mainly), but was generally ok if a little bit power creepy with legion weapons.
Inferno was an endless barrage of fuckwittery.

>>54289522
Yeah, I'm of much the same opinion, although DarkMech Nightmare Science is probably not going to be as cool as it sounds. My bet is on a Daemonic Possession upgrade and a character, plus maybe a new variant FoC.

>>54289628
I just want a horde of shambling bio-mechanical abominations screaming in tongues long dead.
I want a daemon robot hermit crab-half track that fires bolts made of the soul stuff of its own consumed victims.

I want a zepplin made of stiched together living writhing flesh and bone, floating over the battlefield and hurling half summoned daemons into friend and foe alike.

I want hulking ogryn sized possessed skitarri analogues, limbs grafted to horrific blades and miniguns that shoot fists... Is that too much to ask?

>>54289587
We're talking about power glaives being better in every way than phoenix spears. Power glaives were introduced in Retribution.

So was the Blade of Perdition. The BA and WS got strong legion rules in that book.

Inferno was worse. In the Astartes' case their equipment wasn't necessarily that strong, but upgrade costs were surprisingly low, with more availability than usual. Every member of a Grey Slayer squad getting a power weapon for +5 points is insane.

>>54289931
I can't really say the Blade of Perdition did jack with a side of fuckall to me whenever it was used. Its wielder is generally just another marine commander and as such eats a demo cannon shell and goes the fuck away. Usually its managing thier unlimted BRRRT works thats a pain in my book.
On the other hand I agree with you in regards to scars they are pretty vicious, and the chogorian spear is a little too stronk but frankly again DA molecular acid ravenwing spam is far more silly.
And outside of DA, not much in Retribution even passingly compares to the derp in Inferno. The Weekender I went to recently had a helluva lot of Tsons, Custodes and to a lesser extent wolves running around being fucking insane. Though the latter only crazy if you can't handle surprisingly fast hordes.

>>54289931
At least you could argue that Retribution had stronger stuff on purpose to balance out the lack of special squads, characters and primarchs.

>>54290640
>implying Papa Scoria isn't our Primarch

>>54289536
Him and Sanguinius are probably going to be S:D.

>>54290640
The counterpoint is that something like half of the legion-specific units are too expensive for too little benefit. But yes, it's true.

Fortunately, Inferno really took the pressure off the WS. The Nerf bat has bigger targets.

>>54280733
Thats like 5000 points of shit how can you even take all that in a game

>>54291672
I don't. I overfill a few FOC slots. It gives me variety and the ability to run whatever I want whenever I want while also loving my models.

Also I want 100 Custodes and fuck anything in the way.

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Golden boy shield captain almost done

>>54293577
At first glance I thought he was sitting down. Now I'm disappointed because that would be cool.

Not enough models badass enough to just pop a squat in the middle of a battlefield.

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aynone sitting on this book? can't find it anywhere

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Looking for painted AL. Anyone has some?

>>54294541
You're unlucky, I deleted a few days ago.

It might be in that Mega though:
https://mega.nz/#F!wx4BiKhD!YhnAf1BqSmAB8dO6xDM56Q!koolBSRb

did the emperor's children have a pre-primarch colour scheme and name? i know some of the legions do

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>>54295419
I don't believe so.

>>54295452
well damn, there goes my idea for a loyalist ec scheme

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Sup /hhg/?
What rites of war do you take most of the time? And why? What do you see your opponents take?

>>54295622
I either grab Sacrificial Offering for glorious outflanking or I don't bother with a RoW, since there's not really one that does what I want it to. I'd go AoDC, but then I'd need more Militia units rather than sexy Word Bearers. I suppose I could make some Spawn.

As for my enemies, the IH guy and DG guy stick to Head of the Gorgon/Reaping respectively, but the UM, EC and NL all run very little apart from PoTL, All Primarchs All Day. Which is a problem, since I'm Word Bearers and we suck even without having to play Assault Marines and Ashen Circle vs. Sniper Vets and Phosphex.

Thinking that I should move more fully into AoDC to ameliorate the Troops taxes with Zealot/Rending Militia and add some more armour to my list. A few Vindicators/Demo Russes and some kind of AV Dread that isn't a Leviathan. Sadly no room for Rogue Psykers.

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Built an Apothecary for my Breachers and it gave me an appreciation for how big the new Primaris are. Holy shit.

>>54295622
Pride of the Legion. I like hard hitting Veterans because I play first company.

>>54296072
Is that arm from the deathwing terminators? Fits surprisingly well on the mk3.

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>>54296108
I chopped it from the Grey Knight set actually. Also I tried using just it under a shoulderpad but it's too bulky; cut a MkIII arm and it at the elbows and just attached them.

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>>54295622
Ironfire. The mental image of Space Marine sprinting between bombardments to kneefuck someone at terminal velocity is just absolutely rad.

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>>54295622
while I was still playing with my world eaters I did a really basic crimson path. WOULD NOT RECOMMEND unless you're an asshole with 2+ kharybdis and a bunch of dreadclaws because getting to the opponents deployment zone is not easy in 5 out of 6 HH missions.

>>54295622
Terror Assault or Primarch's Chosen, since veteran-heavy lists can be done without Calth/Prospero spam. I usually face alpharii of several shades and loyalties, berserker WE, pride Fists, Tank IH and Vets+artillery IH, and a smattering of other legions but no-one with much more than two calths and a tank. We're usually pretty chill and dont bring annoying shit apart from the one IH guy and his mortars, but no-one plays against him anymore since it takes twice as long to get through his turn as it ought to due to so many small blasts

My least favourite opponent is the veteran-heavy infiltrating primarchs chosen Alpha. There are few things more annoying than power weapon vets infiltrating in a land raider, and nothing more annoying than three sets of them all with preferred enemy

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>>54295039

These are mine. Working on a trio of BA boxnaughts before I get back onto doing another squad of these.

>>54296441
Fucking sweet. Recipe?

>>54296478

Createx iridescent turquoise zenithally applied over a base 50/50 mix of iridescent turquoise/blue. All thinned with floor polish for a bit of additional gloss and wear resistance (the iridescent paints are quite thick and rub off easily). Needs an airbrush to do it, but the effect is nice.

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>>54296072
I want to like them, I really do, but I just sperg due to the fact that they make regular marines so small and Primaris make the 40k vehicles even more out of scale than they already were.

>>54296537
Cheers. Looks fantastic.

>>54296441
They look sweet af. Really smooth metallic coat you got there. Good job anon!

>>54295622
Iron Warriors orbital assault. Everything deep strike. Three drop pods with tacticals, one Legion support squad with full melta. Two deathstorm drop pods, a Leviathan in a dreadpod, and my Warsmith with his command squad in a dreadclaw. All that supported by a Xiphon.

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Is anyone of you using plastic GW vehicles in 30k? If so, which ones?

>>54296594
>due to the fact that they make regular marines so small
It had to be done since GW made all their human models marine sized.

>>54296595
>>54296605

Thanks muchly, I'm pretty pleased with them.

You'd think an airbrush would make things pretty speedy though, but it still takes me an absolute age to do all the details. Just another 20 or so to do, I'll get there eventually.

>>54296441
Noice. I am more a fan of blueish with a tint of green AL, but I can recognise somz finr work when needed.

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Okay, screw the poll.

What legion are (You) playing

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>>54296697
Well, I plan on converting this fucker as a count-as Coronus, since the actual thing doesn't really work with the Custodes' design.
Repulsor body without all the missiles, asscan-razorback turret with longer muzzles, two heavy bolters instead of lascannons.

>>54296697
>Is anyone of you using plastic GW vehicles in 30k?

The Rhinos, and an old first edition Predator.

>>54297038
>What legion are (You) playing

Ultramarines and Word Bearers.

>>54297038
Loyalist Iron Warriors and traitor Ultramarines.

>>54297059
>asscan-razorback turret with longer muzzles

Isn't the Coronus turret a laser weapon? I was planning on using lascannon turret with the water cooled lascannon barrels from the Admech chicken walker kit.

Also, don't forget a bit aquila on the nose and all sorts of other decorative bits.

>>54297038
Imperial Fists.

>>54297038
Loyalist IW.

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>>54297155
Well, it is a las-weapon, but I get the impression that it's more like a multilaser than a lascannon.
It's described as firing concentrated bursts of las-blasts and the model has multiple barrels.

>Ballistarius lascannons
That seems like it could be pretty neat. I might nick that idea if the assault cannons don't work out.

>>54297368
>coronus is 30k only
>vexilla-bearer with praesidium shield is 40k only
Quality.

>>54297404
I think you're looking for the word pottery

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>>54297059
>Comparing the gunner to a primaris and a regular marine.
That's a big boy.

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>>54297557
Paint it gold, remove the turret, and you have ye olde grav rhino.

>>54297578
Kind of tempted to make a Custodes Venerable Land Raider with this

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Can anyone tell me what these hourglass symbols are for on the Death Guard transfer sheet?

>>54297615
This.

The thing is butt ugly, and the only thing it's good for, is to be the Venerable Custodes land raider. Since, just using a plastic schizo land raider painted gold is just plain wrong.

>>54297990
The turret is garbage and so are the missiles coming out of every orifice, but the body is pretty good, I'd say.

>>54297038
Night lords and taghmata. Local meta has most legions covered along with a few mech and custodes players as well.

Question for the fellow custards: I' ve pre-assembled and base-coated six Sentinels yesterday, but now that I look at them before painting I kinda wonder if I shouldn't break them up with a few solarite gauntlets (Sanguinary Guard powerfists), just to up their visuals a bit and provide them with a little more punch against big shit. How many would be a good number, if at all? I mean, the loss of I6 hurts, but the increased damage is nothing to sneeze at.

>>54297091
Fucking hell, really? You must have some mental issues

show your guys

>>54298352
I'd say wait until FW sells the upgrade bits. FW Open day is just a month away.

>>54298352
magnets bitch

I want to build a cultist detachment for my Word Bearers. The thing is that cultist models are only 5 or six different miniatures so squads look boring as fuck. Should I use FW's renegade militia? Those models look gorgeous but it might be too chaosy

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>>54298507
Okay, but the solaerite gauntlets and talons for custodes we've seen so far all look boring as sin.
I'd rather convert them.

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>>54298623
>word bearers
>too chaosy

>>54298623
the beauty of things like cultists is that you can use pretty much whatever models you want (within reason) and say they are cultists. WHFB Empire Flagellants make excellent WB cultists as do Zombies, Bloodreavers, Kairic Acolytes, Chaos Marauders and Ungors.

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>>54297840
It's one of the more esoteric symbols of the inevitability of death and decay. See: Father Time.

>>54298624
Not that anon but personally I prefer 'wolverine claws' to the ones on the end of the fingers, myself. Which is the problem, since they're like the fists from the plastic 30K Termies, where you just attack the claws to the back of the fist, meaning they can't cover that spot with detail...

I like them, and definitely want some, but there's a bunch of little details that I wish were different too (not really the fists until we get a better look at them), like the lack of leather things hanging from the pauldrons, and that the Firepikes don't have eagles on the emitter instead of the hand guard

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>>54298940
Nah man, finger claws for life! Not that I'd ever field them, considering how shitty they are.

More seriously, the Aquilon in general have many problems, yeah. The rounded pauldrons I don't mind (it creates a cohesive look with regular custodes, I think), but the boring melee weapons, the non-vertical storm bolters and, worst of all, the awful firepikes makes it hard to consider them without a lot of conversion work.

>>54299002
>the non-vertical storm bolters
bitch you got a problem with horizontal storm bolters?

The firepikes are pretty terrible though.

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>>54299065
>bitch you got a problem with horizontal storm bolters?
You don't?

Writing some campaign fluff for my snowflakes. Tear it to pieces please, Legion is Dark Angels. Background fluff for the force is here, they are all Jewish if anyone remembers as I have posted this a couple of times before.
https://pastebin.com/EBsWYnjc

The Syrinx Campaign was the first major target of the 517th designated by the Knight Errant. They had already undertaken smaller acts of recompliance but these were little more than loyalty checks of Imperial citizens or executions of overconfident planetary leadership, this was to be their first experience facing traitor Astartes forces. Syrinx was a minor forgeworld that was rediscovered and peacefully brought to compliance in the early days of the Great Crusade by the Sons of Horus.

While Syrinx should have been a low value target due to it’s distance from major warp routes and it’s lack of resources the nature of the research conducted by the tech-priests there made it a priority objective. Rather than focus on the production of tanks, weapons and ammunition like many other forgeworlds the Logis Adepts and the Lexmechanics of Syrinx focussed their knowledge on creating advanced cogitator systems and complex machine code analytics. These had a wide range of applications such as planetary governance engines and cy-intel forge initiators allowing a great majority of their fanes and manufactorums to be totally automated.

>>54299148
In the noble darkness of the 31st millenium, there is only confusion over the placement of firing mechanisms and ammunition feeds

>>54299210
In addition to these peaceful uses the Syrinx Adepts also created advanced warfare systems such as battlefield harmonisation procedures and threat assessment matrices which allowed their smaller forces to engage and defeat numerically superior foes multiple times whether on land, air or void. As advanced as these defences were they provided no help against an enemy that came from within, a garrison of Sons of Horus were sent to the forgeworld to strip it of useful technology to aid the traitor war effort. The ruling tech-priests were removed and operation of the forgeworld was left to Sons of Horus techmarines and elements of traitor Mechanicum forces while the rest of the forces set about culling local dissenters and taking prisoners. Ensuring the freedom and loyalty of this forgeworld was of the utmost importance to ensure that the tech-priests and their technology didn’t fall into traitor hands.

“We are the priests of the Temples of Syrinx, our great computers fill the hallowed halls. We are the priests of the Temples of Syrinx, all the gifts of life are held within our walls.” – Canticle 21:12 of the Forgeworld Syrinx, attributed to Loyalist Magos N317-P34RT

Are there any loyal sons of horus? Or did most die at isstvan

>>54299287
>Are there any loyal sons of horus?
yes

>did most die at isstvan
yes

>>54289719
>Is that too much to ask?
Yes, but we still like you Treides-kun.

>>54289931
>Every member of a Grey Slayer squad getting a power weapon for +5 points is insane.
Fucking furries with discount power weapons reeeeeeee

>>54295493
Bare ceramite and the III numeral everywhere.
Unification era legions generally rolled with grey and a thier numeral.

>>54290143
In a way, the seeds were planted in HH5 with InvictaREEEEEE and their Legatine Axes. As in, that was the beginning. The power creep can be traced even further back, really, but it began to bloom in Retribution and it truly came to be with the HH: Infernal Powercreep of discount power weapons and Mutable Witchery of the 2W Sekhmets.

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>>54293577
>Tfw no Paragon Halberd waifu
:(

>>54298624
Holy shit, you are right. These fists look almost industrial instead of ornate.

>>54297038
Loyalist: Iron Hands
Traitor: Sons of Horus.

>>54299148
These are actually Aquilon Sagittarum Guard custodes, different from the regular Aquilon custodes. Hence they look different.

>>54296072
That Primaris there, that's how I usually think of the fucking Primarchs themselves. You know, being to Marines what Marines are to humans. And now Primaris approach that size. That should be illegal in the Imperium.
Also, nice true grit apothecary, but reeeemove that mould line.

>>54299488
I can see that, unfortunately we can see it technically as far back as book 2 when second wave legion rules so outpaced book 1s so hard they needed a full update to even passingly compete.
I'm still salty my Sons only get vengeance bolts as special issue and they are both expensive to field and shit.

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>>54299644
Sorry Banestrike, not vengeance. My brain failed.

>>54299002
>Nah man, finger claws for life! Not that I'd ever field them, considering how shitty they are.
This wouldn't happen in 8E. But we'd also lose a ton of shit in 8E. Barely a "compromise".
Will FW's 7.5E be able to give us the good stuff of both editions? To be honest, I doubt FW can pull that out, and my opinion has nothing to do with the fact Bligh is gone

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>>54299220
They are from golden space future, they don't give a fuck about your rational concerns.

>>54299644
>>54299661
Yes indeed, "can be traced even further back". But it was still fixable with gentle tweaks. The Justaerin went from "uselessly expensive" to "you get what you pay for, and that's a lot". The DG went from "not an actual LA" to "eh, now I can bathe in Phosphex at least". It could be rescued.
The later HH books not so much.
Also, how the hell the Lightning Claw isn't the SoH's special weapon? Cthonian "Lupine(Lupercarian?)" Lightning Claws.

>>54299807
Though it is always funny to beat a 'better' legion with my humble XVI, malcs and outflankers and fighters going in for maximum alpha strike is always fun.

>>54299387
That's not actually me but apparently there are two Dark Biologis now. Yey. He seems to like things considerably more lovecraftian, though. I like his style, although I'm not so sure about the punch minigun.

>>54300166
The last bit was a touch of humor there my dude.
I just want my Dark Mech to be on turbo nightmare mode. I'd actually rather it be firing bolts dipped in daemonic ichor that cause rampant mutation rather than gunshot wounds. A scientific attempt at bolts of change in minigun format basically.

>>54299002
I'm thinking of making a small unit, but for that I'm gonna get those FW combi-bolters with the horizontally mounted barrels, traditional Cataphractii arms with fancy 3rd party pads and that flamer needs a dragon/eagle muzzle on it.

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>>54299578

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For thousand sons veteran tactical squads is it acceptable to just run 10 Asphyx sniper bolters? Do I really need 2 suspense heavy bolters to make them useful? What about a unit of combi-plasma/melta, it might be expensive but its strong.

My legion is lacking in the AT department. I have a land raider, 2 predators with lasplas, and a unit of 5 fist terminators. But that's it for dealing with armor.

Maybe a heavy weapon squad or a rapier laser destroyer squad will help. Especially with the rerolling 1's to hit ability Corvidae get?

>>54299547
I know, right? They are way too plain. I expected at least one eagle head on each knuckle, elaborate wings folding on the back of the hand and a tiny powersource incorporated elegantly into a overall slim gauntlet.

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>>54300166
>I'm not so sure about the punch minigun.
Like, why not :^) ?

>>54296697
3 rhinos, 2 predators with modified twin Lascannons into plasma executioners, and a land raider. Migrated from building a CSM force into 30k, I'll use what I can get.

>>54297038
Thousand sons. Slow work to paint, slower work to afford the necessary models.

>>54300312
True, although I prefer mine to be more like the Fallout New Vegas Think Tank. Not actively malicious, just efficient and unable to really understand the value of life at all. I may or may not base Late-stage degeneration Triedes on Doctor Mobius. Also I want to shoot Dead Money Cloud at people.

Going full DAEMONS MUHAHA! can be done well, but it would need care to not just look like a big pile of Daemon Engines.
I do like the Changevenom Rounds idea though.

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So, what would have happened if Emps had saved Angron's gladiator buddies? Would they have made into Space Marines?

>>54300800
Loads of them would probably have died in the conversion process, they were probably too messed up to survive or were too old.

Also it's a fan theory that some of the gladiators were khorne influenced so maybe emps would have stepped in and been like 'whoops, these guys gene-seeds didn't take'.

>>54300800
>nails
Probably not. Angron was a useful asset as a walking blender, I doubt Big E would have wasted effort on a bunch of scrubs living on borrowed time already, even assuming they weren't too old for implementation.
I mean, what would they offer that a bunch of astartes cant do better?
Which is not to say he wouldn't have allowed them to travel with Angron and get ground down eventually.

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>>54300861
>>54300904
Ah, makes sense, there were all sorts in there, women, men and kids, so they probably wouldn't have survived.
Guess I just like the idea of Big Red having an inner circle, that he didn't hate like those 1st Company terminators.
Just a bunch of nail-mad gladiators, making it in the Great Crusade.

>>54300800
Sure, some of them, only a tiny amount would actually survive. Leman's old dudebros tried that and some made it.

>>54295419
Unfortunately, the legions in Book 1 didn't get as much coverage as later legions - there's a lot less information about the EC's colors and markings. But before they met Fulgrim they were already being made out of the children of Terran nobles, so there's a good chance they were already using purple.

>>54300800
>>54301183
Why is angron so sadgron?

>>54301502
He's fulfilling his required whininess quota, as all traitors must.

>>54301502
Because all his friends are dead, all his chances to be as great as his brothers are wasted because of the nails, he was taken from honorable death, was branded a coward on his home-world.
The best thing anyone could have done for him was kill him and Lorgar even fucked that up.

>>54300417
Veterans with just bolters and the marksman skill are commonly run and pretty good.

Combi-melta squads with meltabombs and a Rhino with multi-melta are pretty common too. Give them machine killer and they're reasonably effective against AV14 with armored ceramite.

Combi-plasma is usually only run if you have a way to reroll 1s to hit.

>>54294541
Hope you're still here:
http://www111.zippyshare.com/v/3B4mqI4W/file.html

>>54295066
Somebody put it in the Mega if it isn't there already.

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>>54297123
>Traitor UM
Explain

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>http://www.strawpoll.me/10558764/r

Why are the Blood Angels so popular and when is Sanguinius getting a model/rules?

>>54299002
Replacing the blood drop with the eagle head is a good idea, where is the eagle head from?

>>54301825
They are the best and the worst what a Space Marine can be.

>>54301825
Anecdotal evidence, but I have never seen a single BA army for HH, despite being around since Massacre, so I assume most of those are 'plan to play'?

>>54301825
It must be a meme.

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>>54302031
>They are the best
>But also the worst
.-.
To be honest, I thought the ones who highlighted the most mariney traits were the SoH and RG in their decapitation strikes.

>>54302386
They are paragons of beauty, bearing, nobility, and fulfillment of duty; yet they are also hyper violent, psychotic space vampires.

>>54298742
No shit sherlock, but is it meant to go on a specific unit

>>54301967
Those are taken from the Sentinel Blade's ornamentation and recut a little.
Nothing fancy.

>>54301183
It might depend on how many gladiators there were, like on Uber when the russians, knowing the survival rate was 1 in 5000, quickly do the math and run through 420000 prisoners to get 90 tonk men.. So, if you have enough hundreds of gladiators, a handful could survive
But then again, Angron survives the Nails only because he's a Primarch. The gladiators simply can't survive the induction process whilst being on the original Nails, instead of the WE replica installed *after* the induction process was complete.

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>>54297038
Loyalist Iron Warriors, Traitor Iron Warriors, Dark Angels who we don't fucking know who they listen to, Traitor Night Lords, and technically Thousand Sons once I can be arsed to buy Ahriman some buddies.

>>54302916
Very nice, I might do the same.

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>>54302822
No, anon. It's just a symbol of spookyness and, in the DG's case, a commendation. I'm not sure if it's a coincidence that DGs are Sworn Brothers to Night Lords (apparently their primarchs were the only non-Horus primarchs that tolerated them), and they both use that symbol, or iterations of it.

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>>54302373
They definitely exist. This one belongs to one of the Radio Free Isstvan podcasters.

They've always been a popular legion for their colors, artistry, and presence at the climax of the Siege of Terra (the Eternity Gate - not sure I'd count the final duel as really being part of the Siege). And even before Sanguinius is available, they've got assault cannons to play with and set them apart. They got rules around the same time assault marines came down to a more reasonable price, otherwise they'd be dead on arrival.

Speaking of Eternity Gate... in the old fluff and old dioramas I always pictured the Eternity Gate as the door to the inner palace. Still outdoors in the Himalayas, surrounded by walls and towers and a massive siege. But in The Master of Mankind it's more like the backdoor to the palace. It's the door to the webway inside the throne room. Am I getting that wrong? Sanguinius vs. Kha'banda wouldn't make any sense if that were true.

>>54301808
Ultramarines Evocati that got seconded to an expedition with a traitor legion and slowly got under the Warmaster's sway.

>>54302373
A friend of mine has been playing them since our group got into Heresy. He's got a brilliantly painted army and even won the recent Heresy league at our flgs.

>>54303128
>just a sea of flat red
How boring

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WIP Dark Apostle for the Word Bearers, just a simple conversion but I'd like to know if I should add a pistol to his left arm or keep the original clasped hand holding a talisman.

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so /tg/ what are your thoughts on the new Amon mini?

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>>54303621
Closeups show subtle shading and highlighting, but I know what you mean.

I can't blame him, though. I've painted a few BAs for 40k in the past, and I found red really difficult to add depth to. Techniques that work well with cool colors, like blue, are way too subtle on red. I guess you have to go all-out like Myles does.

>>54303698
Maybe it's just the facial tattoos but he has a bit of rat face.

>>54303716
I suppose he's waiting for transfers to be released but he could still break things up with black or gold panels here and there.

>>54303698
Very well done, though the cape is thick.

I like the tattooed psychic hood though.

>>54303849
That or for them to get an appearance in the books focusing on their colors and heraldry.

Could you imagine being the DA player who painted all those checkers on the arms and then later found out it was only for officers or something?

>>54303698
That paint job is extremely problematic.

>>54303698
The scenic base is kinda dubious, since it obscures a otherwise very nice model. I love the hyper-dynamic pose.

>>54303624
I'd probably use the talisman. A pistol would look awkward with the arm in that position and you've gone full chaos anyway, so may as well take the last step.

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THE EDITED EBOOKS ARE WORKING

>>54305462
Supreme kek

>>54304981
Aye, talisman it is.

>>54296441
Wtf are those pads and where do I get them?

>>54306174
They just look like the ones forgeworld sell to me.

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>>54298352
I typically run 1 Gauntlet per 5 Sentinels and simply double that if I ever run a squad of 10. You want to keep that high Initiative and that Gauntlet is going to murder 2-3 guys a turn. Feel free to add a second in your squad of 5, but be aware that the points add up quickly. I've run the 2 per 5 and it's very efficient and killy, but insanely overkill when fighting your standard Legion armies. HOWEVER it's great against vehicle heavy armies and Mechanicus

That being said, go for 2 and see how you like it. At worst you're "stuck with" railguns for fists at some extra points and at best your "stuck with" railguns for fists in general.

>>54306934
>railguns for fists
In what possible universe could that be a downside?

>>54306934
FW should produce that flowing cloak for the custards. Fuck paragon boades and pyritite spears, I want a variety of those.

>>54307159
Just buy the Maxmini capes and see how they work. I bought a set of five to see how they look. If I like them I'll buy more and put them on my Hetaeron.

>>54307127
Well, you'd strike last and each miss with a S10 weapon hurts a lot more than with a specialized blade.

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Ok so I'm losing my mind here. Are SoS gold or silver? Like what defines their color choice? Rank?

>>54300904
>even assuming they weren't too old for implementation.
Who are Kor Phaeron and Luther? Sure they might not have ever been true space marines, but them being too old never stopped anyone from taking their buddies along. The rest are valid points though.

>>54307310
They don't have a single color - we've seen them in metallic gray, gold, and (most commonly, I'd say) bronze.

They're organized into vigils of 1,000, and my guess is that all the members of a vigil are suited up the same.

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>>54307310
Ok so I'm losing my mind here. Are space marines blue, red, black, grey, yellow, tan, white, purple, green, or silver? Like what defines their color choice? Rank?

Why did the Sons of Horus choose green when they switched from the Luna Wolves? Black I'd understand to contrast with their formerly white armor but why green?

>>54307471
It was a color associated with Chthonia.

>>54307532
How so?

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Custardos wip
Love the models.

>>54307552

Bases lookin fine, brah

>>54307451
>Implying an order that is outfitted as the emperor wants is the same as Legions run by mostly sociopathic lab experiments

Right

>>54307552
Looking good! Good luck!

>>54307223
>Well, you'd strike last
>implying a custard is going to be killed before he attacks ever

>>54307546
I don't think we ever got specifics.

In other news, here's an excerpt from the Wikipedia entry on Horus (the Egyptian mythological figure):

>In this tale, it was said that Set, the patron of Upper Egypt, and Horus, the patron of Lower Egypt, had battled for Egypt brutally, with neither side victorious, until eventually the gods sided with Horus.

It gets weird.

>According to The Contendings of Horus and Seth, Set is depicted as trying to prove his dominance by seducing Horus and then having sexual intercourse with him. However, Horus places his hand between his thighs and catches Set's semen, then subsequently throws it in the river so that he may not be said to have been inseminated by Set. Horus then deliberately spreads his own semen on some lettuce, which was Set's favorite food. After Set had eaten the lettuce, they went to the gods to try to settle the argument over the rule of Egypt. The gods first listened to Set's claim of dominance over Horus, and call his semen forth, but it answered from the river, invalidating his claim. Then, the gods listened to Horus' claim of having dominated Set, and call his semen forth, and it answered from inside Set.

>>54304422

just curious, what is wrong with the paintjob?

>>54307734
>However, Horus places his hand between his thighs and catches Set's semen, then subsequently throws it in the river so that he may not be said to have been inseminated by Set. Horus then deliberately spreads his own semen on some lettuce, which was Set's favorite food. After Set had eaten the lettuce, they went to the gods to try to settle the argument over the rule of Egypt
This kek was buried beneath the sands for 3000 years and has now been released to take it's place as pharaoh of my sides.

>>54307734
Is Set one of the lost Primarchs that tried to have gay sex with Horus and was purged, which is why even the traitors don't talk about him?

>>54307759
He's not criticizing the paint job. The sculpted cape is ridiculously thick. It's like Amon is running around with a featherbed strapped to his back.

>>54307734
I was a big fan of mythology growing up and I remember the Egyptian stories being much weirder than Greek or Norse.