Malifaux General

Nightmare box for gencon is alternate Hamelin, a crazy cat lady and her crew of cats. Sisterhood of the Cat is presumably incoming on black friday.

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>>54254739
>What models are you guys painting today?

"Today" would be a bit disingenuous, as it's taken a good two weeks, but I'm about to reach the 'gluing together' stage of my seconf Katanaka sniper.
He's already painted bar the highlights and inks, for the record, it didn't take me two weeks to cut things off sprues.

He's to let me flesh out my 10T Mei Feng, because I love a good sniper and I play Arcanists.

>And what schemes are your favorite for GG2017?
I like Accusation, personally.
For all the complaints that it's too easy to deny and too AP-inefficient to score, against most factions you can reliably get a point by chucking something in and marking up two models.
Burn up a few cards to keep it a live a little while, and they either dump their hand on it or kill their own model, and hopefully you still have something to go.

Maybe that's because strategically I usually play for 3/2/2 rather than 4/3/3, and try to deny and jank my opponents' plans as much as work my own.
Admittedly, my W:D:L suggests it doesn't actually work anywhere near as well as I'd like.

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>>54254903
>Nightmare box for gencon is alternate Hamelin,

Yup.

I'm not a Hamelin player, but I'm also not that taken with it.
I'll hold off final judgement for the renders/models, but the style doesn't do it for me.

Though to be fair, relatively few of the Nightmares do.

Mr Cooper, for example, which everyone seems to love, looks like shit bar the titular character.
In this case the inverse looks true - the children and some of the cats/Cat Kings look pretty good, but Nix, Hamelin and the fat guy look crap.

>>54255061
Well i disagree on your analysis of dark carnival entirely, but i have to say the fat guy does seem a bit lame. Nix is interesting (notice the box marked "schrodinger") but looks a bit small compared to the original and if they were going to do schrodinger's cat i would have preferred a literally "half dead, half alive" rather than undead cat. As in straight down the middle corpse/alive split.

Initially i was impressed with GG2017 but the more i play it the more i hate every single fucking scheme in it. They all are much harder to score than they used to be, i find most games end on stuff like 4-2 rather than the 8-6 you used to see in the vanilla schemes.

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>>54254961
>someone reposting my Banasuva
Neat. Haven't posted here in a while, and haven't played Malifaux in a while too, sadly. Last thing I painted was these fine folk. Decided to make Cassandra an Indian (not native american) so I could practice a different flesh tone than I'm used to (since most characters are white.)

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>>54255109
>>54255109
Maybe I went a little hard at the Dark Carnival - the Flying Monkeys and Mannequins are pretty nice.
I just think the Performers and Coryphee look crap. Not even funny ha-ha sculpts, just lame and bad.
The strongman Performer could so easily be a Joss and it would at least make some sense.

I don't want to talk about what they did to my beloved.

Back to Hamelin:
Any idea who the fat guy is supposed to be?
And I agree that Nix is a bit uninspired.

>>54255130
>They all are much harder to score than they used to be
>most games end 4-2 rather than the 8-6 you used to see in the vanilla schemes.

They are a bit harder to score and a lot easier to deny, but I don't think that's such a bad thing.
Maybe there's a little less of the reward drip of getting to tick off multiple points earend every turn, but I'd take that any day over "we both know this is a fight to see who wins 10-9".

The vanilla schemes were not fantastically balanced, and a lot of GG16 was too easy.

I'm glad people got over whining about Frame For Murder though.

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>>54255678
You paint good shit hombre.
That's a decent brown too.
Picked up Sandeep?

>>54255109
>>54255937
>>54255061
Looks like the fat guy is the Obedient Wretch,so say the forums.
Makes sense as the rest is a direct port.

>>54254903
God, I hope so.

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>>54256138
>>54254903
>Sisterhood of the Cat is presumably incoming on black friday.
They confirmed on the forums it was one of the following event sales, but not this GenCon and well before the next.

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Gencon models

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>>54257244
I LIKE that.
Really dig the new sympathetic yet sinister rather than gross angle that the Ressurs are getting post-Reva.

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>>54257244
Is that by 7th September?
That cuts it pretty fine, unfortunately, but I'd love to add her to my faux-Colette triumvirate - new plastic, old metal and this new severe version.

Now Disappearing act can come with a costume change!

>>54257244
For those who don't know, this is a major character, though tragically i forget her name. I'm actually very sad to see her get a model, but not her own rules. She is a french agent of lucius with skill in charm magic and writer of the through the breach bestiaries from the supplements, she also appears in hoffman's story in book 4. She dies partway through writing her bestiaries, but she doesn't let that stop her, nor does she let it stop her using her "charms".

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Alt Taelor

>>54257244

Would spending $60 on their webshop count? Like, say I buy the alt-Hamelin and Tarlor during Gencon. Could I then get the alt-Sybelle with that receipt?

>>54255061
Oh boy another Hamelin to add to my collection.

Anyone mind sharing some Resser McMourning and Nicodem core builds? Just curious how others go about list building for them.

>>54255061
>Mr Cooper, for example, which everyone seems to love, looks like shit bar the titular character.

The mannequins and strong man performer are pretty great. Nightmare Cassandra is shit, though, and the monkeys I could take or leave.

I ended up with Dark Carnival, an alternative performer, and a Cassandra that I purchased individually which seems like a pretty good way to do it.

>>54257907
Unless they change their policy from previous years, yeah, ordering from their webstore during Gencon gets you the alt sculpt they are offering.

>>54258536

Rad. Thanks.

>>54255061
I'm really not a fan of the new inhouse artists style, there's something off about it compared to the older stuff.

So I like a lot about Arcanists visually across MOST of their themes but I really dislike some of their more gribbly M&SU stuff. Specifically Howard Langston who to me looks like something out of Cryx from WMH.

I know he is super good though. Are there any suitable proxies? Mostly for casual games?

>>54257527
>For those who don't know, this is a major character, though tragically i forget her name.

Emily Bellirose?

>>54256039
I did pickup Sandeep, but honestly I wasn't too keen on his model so I did a super fast paintjob on him just to have him on the table. I hope he gets a cool looking alt model that isn't him in some odd pose like the model is.
One of the things that I like about Malifaux models is that they're typically in a fairly neutral pose. Sandeep sort of broke that rule.

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>>54258973
Miss Step is an official proxy.

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>>54259658
Just as ugly as Langston desu
I was thinking about getting an Anathematic from Infinity and making it look a little more steam-punky. But lazy and Anathematics are a little expensive.

>>54259658
Agreed. Still looks like a steampunk zombie basically.

It's so hard to pick a faction, haha. There's so many individual Masters I like the look of.

>>54260267
Oops, meant to respond to this post:
>>54259903

>>54255061
I honestly see it in a different way. Collette has always been one of the more uninspired masters design wise, while Cooper and friends actually look creepy, interesting, and fit the setting very well. Though part of that is because I am a sucker for Irish rock references.

>>54257907
>Only local game stores count
So no

>>54260945

Fuck, missed that. Time to see if we have a local store that even stocks Malifaux.

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Does anyone actually take Wastrels? I think that they have a purpose with McCabe in that they can up the saber's damage via Bravado, but as I use Mounted Guards more and more often I find them to be dead weights.

I am liking the look of Seamus's Do You Know Who I Am upgrade. I have always wanted to have him focus on Horror duels, and this looks like the perfect way to do it by making them a lose lose situation for any model that has to take them.

Any suggestions for purchases to bulk out the Reva crew box? I have no idea what to add, lol.

>>54261810
Get the emissary to put more corpses on the board. Speaking of which get mindless zombies for the emissary to summon. You can be pretty flexible otherwise, but Philip and the Nanny are great for cycling cards, and Yin is often take to debuff the Wp of models you don't like to make them easier to hit. You probably want general scheme runners like Necropunks as well.

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>>54258973
Not much better

>>54255130
True. With denial being easier, so many games can come down to not interacting.

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>>54257841
They look like they are doing well with the Alts this year.
Nice.

>>54258369
I like the Strongman model, but it's just all wrong for a Performer's role/rules.
Better suited to a Union Miner or Rail Worker.
The bearded lady and Lola are shit though,and the Coryphee are just over-done.

>>54260311
>Collette has always been one of the more uninspired masters design wise
True, but I think with some of the Cooper set they missed creepy and landed in silly.
The metalEd. Colettel was a bit more characterful.

>>54261100
They get free Defensive, no?
Good for holding points as a second line.
Looks a little too sci-fi for my tastes.

>>54258973
I took off the flailing cable claws and he looks a lot less "evil monster"-y.
Doesn't fix it perfectly, but he looks more robot man than zombie death construct.

>>54261100
They can heal, dont costmuch and do a variety of things most other models are more specialised.
>>54261542
Have they posted full thing?

>>54259229
Yes. Shes cool.

>>54256616
It's confirmed to be Black Friday, so a full Cat-melin crew will be avilable by the end of the year.

>>54264071
Yeah, they showed off the final version in chronicles. It is exactly the change in playstyle that I am happy to see them pursuing.

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I have to say, this really fills me with hope for them patching the somewhat lesser masters. Great additions.

>>54268539
Do models immune to horror duels count as automatically passing, or do they neither pass or fail since you didn't even make the flip?

>>54268825
Neither. That is why guys like Witchlong Thralls who automatically pass the duels would still get pinged by the 2/3/4.

I'm not sure what master should I pick as a first master. Could someone recommend a fun master (fun to play, fun to paint, good theme etc).
I'm thinking about:
Dreamer, Lilith, Titania
Jack Daw, Leveticus
McMourning, Kirai.

If none of the above are that fun, can I get an alternative?

>>54271538
Lilith - the otherwordly queen of demonic entities Nephilim (who look like classic demons with hooves, horns and wings), mythical creatures of blood and life who inhabit Malifaux and claim it to be their domain, murdering the invading humans.
Dreamer - a child who somehow managed to bend a mighty nightmarish entity to his will to some extend, manifesting all across Malifaux and wrecking chaos, thinking it to be just another dream.
Titania - a returned master of Malifaux, undying Fae queen who is about to take back what is hers.
Jack Daw - a mysterious figure who appears to a seemingly random locations wiping out whole towns. Not much known of his goals or what drives him.
Leveticus - cant say much about him, something like he is the one to define the destiny of Malifaux, according to some prophecy, and the one who cheats death again and again.
Mcmourning is the mad scientist fascinated with the magics of death and constantly experimenting with it.
Kirai - asian girl whos lover was accidentially killed, and that have driven her previously inert magical talent to commune with the spirits of the dead. Very rare and very powerful talent, i must add.

Hope that helped.

What's the archetypal Ramos build?

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>>54268539
Like that a lot.
Can Seamus cheat the Damage flip to get Infamy?
It doesn't say he can't, but I'm not sure where the permissiveness of the rules apply in Damage flipping.

>>54271538
This >>54272330 is a really good summary.
As far as what you want models-wise:
Kirai and maybe Dreamer might need more models bought for them before they get 'good'/playable properly.

Titania's box is apparently a huge pain in the cockhole to build, due to many spindly pieces.

Jack Daw is pretty weird and complex to play, and maybe not the best first pick.

>>54273459
His box plus Mech Rider and four to eight boxes of Steam Arachnids to summon.

>>54274645

Apparently yes, Seamus can cheat it unopposed.

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>>54274645
>>54273459
More seriously, Johan is good (M&SU heal), as are Union Miners for scheming, and the big spiders (Brass Arachnids?).

You can totally afford to go hard elite though, as you'll be kicking out spiders to get to at least parity of activations by Turn 3.

Traditionally, the Turn 1 algorithm involves either an Electric Creation (cheaper) or Mobile Toolkit (doesn't explode) running as far up the board as it can while remaining in Joss' charge range.
He then chops it in half, and it drops two scrap to provide two turns of summoning.


Mark squares with: Helicopter.
That's a Windmill you fucking retard program.

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>>54274816
>>54273459
This leaves you with 5ss to spend on upgrades before you start eating cache, which is maybe a little tight.

Bleeding Edge Tech on Joss heals Constructs, and he'll probably be at the centre/head of that ball.
Imbued Energies on Howard is just sort of traditional.

For the boss himself, I'm less sure.
Field Generator keeps your crew alive very well but Under Pressure makes them very killy. Problem is they are both 2ss each.

Arcanists
50ss Crew
Ramos -- 7ss
Brass Arachnid - 4ss
Howard Langston - 12ss
Joss - 10ss
Mechanical Rider - 12ss
Mobile Toolkit - 3ss

>>54274816
>>54275088

Thanks much, that was quite helpful

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>>54275156
Just to be clear, that spec list I put there is probably actually a terrible idea outside of Inspection with a non-killy Scheme pool.
There isn't really much need for a potential nineteen summoned spiders (or fiteen and four Metal Gamin), and it hard limits your upgrades and model flexibility.

A Union Miner, a Rail Worker, Bleeding Edge Tech and Imbued Energies is probably a better way to spend those 12ss.

Why do a lot of people say McMourning's better in Guild than Ressers? It seems to come down to some sort of point about his playstyle but I don't understand it.

>>54276169
Other way 'round bud.

>>54276248

No, I really see Guild McMourning rated much higher. Granted, it's on the Wyrd forums...

>>54276169
He plays as more of a support master, letting you interact and ignore defenses, as opposed to relying on poison. There are some shenanigans you can pull with witchling stalkera and nurses. I wouldn't say that he is strictly better, but perhaps he does better in Guild under more circumstances.

>>54276293
There is some website where you can keep track of games and McMourning seems to be played by more experienced players hence his win loss ration was very good.

Honestly I'd say they're strengths seem very different between the factions. In guild at least he can do has a lot of utility. He's very fast with plastic surgery and can reposition other models which is pretty uncommon in guild. He can be a bit of a beater and actually becomes proficient at it if buffed by promises. Further nurses are fantastic at providing healing or damage buffs and in a pinch can be used to debuff the opponent.

McCabe and Nellie are his only competitors as utility masters, in my opinion they are both better than him currently but the wave 5 Jury makes nurse healing that much better.

If one were to pick one or two other Masters to run alongside Collodi, who would best compensate for his weaknesses?

So, Seamus' new upgrade. Too good? With Sinister Rep, Hard to Kill, Impossible to Wound, and heals off failed WP duels, he seems ridiculously good at tying up the board.

Do we just have to approach him like Pandora now?

>>54278802
>Df4
He's fine. He needed this because as it is now he is completely blown out of the water by Reva. I just hope Wyrd have given some thought to the balance of the masters before all this and keep it down a bit for the better masters and focus more on alternatives.

>>54268539
I like it but it's going to be a hard choice which upgrade to drop for it, to drop red chapel killer or the hat. Decisions, decisions.

>>54271538
Out of all of these McMourning and Lilith are really the only ones I can recommend to a beginner, the rest are either a tad more complex or require a serious buy in to be effective.

>>54278911

I was going to contest Lilith, but I suppose the hardest thing about her to learn as a beginner is that the living blade doesn't mean she's a beatstick.

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>>54276169
>>54277537
>Guild McM better than Ressur McM
>In guild at least he can do has a lot of utility.

It's probably that.
Maybe in a RvG game, the Ressur doctor might win, but it's the speed and flexibility that Guild lacked without him that makes him a good Guild Master.
Of course, now Nellie is a thing.

>>54278859
>I just hope Wyrd have given some thought to the balance of the masters
Yuuuuup.
I'm all for cool playstyles, but what the game really doesn't need is a regularly rotating set of unequivocally better Masters.
It might be cool to artificially force Lady J and Seamus and Kaeris to the top this year, and then Yan Lo and Mah Tucket and Zoraida next year, but that's no more sustainable than releasing six models per year per faction is.

Pic unrelated, for those lucky enough not to subscribe to the bad place.

>>54279946
Personally id rather see new sculpts, redone rules for models, a new mini faction or two, redone ht rules or mostly dual faction content from now on. It annoyed me akaname were the only dual faction in 4 and bunraku only in 3.

>>54278992
>ML 7 3/4/6 damage track with positives to attack and damage
>4/5/7 with no positives if you charge through terrain
>Not a beatstick

Sure you're not confusing her for someone else?

>>54271538
My brother started dreamer he is notbad for a starter but you wontbe able to play his summoner style at first until you het more models.

>>54268539
You pretty much have to cheat in severe and its only once per turn, to be honest compared to swordfighter its dogshit.

>>54279946
I'll never understand why bronies have to inject their weird obsession in to every hobby they do. Unfortunately with AWP being the biggest hub for the game it attracts some real trash.

>>54278505
Pandora and lillith or lynch and lillith.

>>54280033
I'll never understand why *any sort of obsessive fanboy* have to inject their weird obsession in to every hobby they do.

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>>54279997
I don't think mini factions would work very well, and I don't know how well they can make dual-faction pieces given how many interactions they have to balance around now.

I wouldn't mind Guildball-style 'Veteran' versions of stuff though, new rules with a new model.
You can avoid confusion by only allowing a crew to hire from one 'season' of models, even though old and new models are both still legal.

>>54280016
>Using Lilith as Nekima
>Not focusing on positional play

Sure you aren't?
If you use her as a beater you are wasting a lot of her potential.
That's what he means.

Yeah. Ordered the new TTB rulebook.
Would be nice if I got to play it too.
Though I guess that applies to the whole of Malifaux...

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How is guild Lucius? Thinking of picking him up as I think he's the best looking master, but have no interest in playing him neverborn.

>>54280388
He is better guild, plus stealing a few neverborn mimics, particularly the doppleganger. He got a big update that improved him, but you might get his old statcard in his box so be sure to print the good one if that happens. You may want to pick up witchling thralls, wardens and hoffmans box along with the doppleganger to get him some great choices, with brutal emissary, guild pathfinder, guild riflemen, guild austringer and nellies box as other cool shit. Oh and he can take terracotta warriors too if he wants.

So I am starting and was thinking of getting Ramos and Hoffman crew boxes since Hoff uses so many Arcanist constructs. What models should I get if I plan on playing in a competitive meta and focus on Hoffman more then Ramos? Also is Hoffman really that inferior when compared to Ramos?

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About to trash my Jack daw crew after losing with him continually.

First crew I bought. Love the models, but can't for the life of me understand what I'm doing.

Thinking of getting Kirai and Sandeep instead.
Any input, am I heading into another pitfall?

>>54282403
Hoffman and Ramos are in entirely different factions, so you can't directly compare them, but yeah Hoffman isn't as good as Ramos.

In the Arcanist faction Ramos has always been pretty high tier, and his ability to summon multiple models a turn still makes him the best choice for some strategies and schemes.

In the Guild Hoffman is generally considered to be weaker than some of the more generalist support masters, and he suffers in some schemes and strategies since his mechanics encourage you to keep his core crew close together.

If you want to play Guild competitively, look into playing McCabe or Nellie and bring some Wardens, Hunters, or even a Peacekeeper if you're attached to constructs.

If you want to play with Constructs competitively, go with Ramos or Levi but have a second master in your faction available as a backup plan.

If you want to play Hoffman as competitively as possible, the Hoff and Ramos boxes are a great start. I've also heard good things about the Emissary with him, and you might want the Brutal Effigy or some hounds if you plan on running an elite list and want a few cheaper activations.

>>54283327
If you haven't been getting the hang of Jack, Sandeep might not be the best choice. He's another sort of generalist/toolbox master where you're going to have to evaluate each of his activations as best as possible without a basic gameplan to fall back on.

With Kirai on the other hand, even if you're not sure what the best move is it's usually pretty safe to just summon more stuff and hopefully shoot a guy. On the other hand, buying all of Kirai's good summons is pretty expensive (although if you already have Hanged and/or Drowned that'll help a bit).

Really, though, you should pick up another Outcast master if possible since it'll be much cheaper to stay in faction. If you haven't got Von Schill yet he's a lot more straightforward to play, and the Librarian and Trapper from his box will get a lot of mileage in a bunch of other crews too.

>>54283327
If you are selling your daw crew posters it in the wyrd trades Facebook group

>>54283546
Aw man, the sikhism theme looks so good tho. Got a Marcus crew that would like the poison gamin addition.

I got Hanged, Drowned and Jakuuna. So i thought Kirai would work out at least.

I try to run my crews as themed as possible. Vchill with a bunch of spooks just feels wrong. But he seems fun either way and o good fit for me.

Thanks for the pointers annon

I can never take Kirai seriously.

"Hello, I'm HATE DARKNESS. And you?"

>>54283327
Don't trash your daw crew, i play daw and whilst im pretty shit as a player generally i do well with him. What models do you have other than his box? How do you tend to try and play him?

>>54280168
I still don't understand why they decided to make the new Nekima so ugly. I guess that they want to make her look like a "Real woman", but the model is still worse than the first edition one (At least, based on the 3D print).

>>54284015
Von Schill isn't fun on his own, he's fun when you realize its not about what he does, its about what he doesnt have to deal with. The absurd willpower of his crew, avoiding pulse/blast damage, charging despite engagements, not having to randomize thanks to his emissary etc etc leave him ignoring all the bullshit that normally gets in the way of your fun.

Hanged, Jaakuna and Drowned all crossover well to Kirai, so consider picking her up. Then grab Shikome and McMourning's box to have a good McMourning crew and have nurses for jack daw to use! If you get Von Schill then the hodgepodge emissary can let him rip off his shirt over and over, causing lots of horror duels for Montresor's "comfort in fear" to turn into lose/lose scenarios whilst the freikorps specialist from Von Schill lets you remove the paralyze caused by a nurse's healing!

Also if you don't know yet, there's a patch upgrade + errata to buff montresor.

>>54285215
Nekimas lore has her specifically not wearing many clothes because she rejects human clothing, only wearing traditional nephilim garb, which is just tattered loincloths and wyrd didn't want to model her topless so they gave her a bikini. Its actually a major point of contention between her and lillith, lillith dresses like humans and it pisses nekima off. Whoever made that "clothed nekima" model is fucking retarded. If they really wanted to cover her skin up (which there is no reasonable way to do without also covering up all the other nephilim, even black blood shamans barely wear anything) they should have made it some ridiculous obviously neverborn outfit, not rusty alyce's clothes without shoulderpads.

I'm kind of interested in getting into Malifaux (or trying to, assuming I can find people to play against. I'm thinking of getting either the starter set or a master box, but I'm undecided on who to go with. My favorites just from looking at them are McMourning, Von Schill, and Parker Barrows, but I'm open to suggestions.

Now to the meat of the matter: I'm, in a word, a dum-dum. I've played enough 40k to know I'm not very good at tabletop games, but I still play them because I have fun anyway. I'm hoping for a master/faction/crew/what-have-you that's straightforward and easy-to-use on as many fronts as possible (assembly, painting, actual playstyle, etc.). Case in point, in 40k I picked Necrons because they're basically idiot-proof across the board.

Does anyone have any suggestions for a player like me? Obviously I'm doing my own research on the side, but the posts in this thread seem pretty well-informed on the game, so I'm hoping to solicit some new opinions. Much obliged!

>>54285479
Go with shill. He's the easiest to play.
Parker is swapping upgrades all game

>>54285479
Malifaux does require quite a bit in the way of actual thinking, and there is going to be quite a bump ahead of you in order to get good. That said Von Schill is super straight forward. You just ram your blob down the center and laugh at your opponent. If you are going by assembly then Von Schill wouldn't really be it (Assembling the Steam Trunk is a painful experience). Otherwise he is the best beginner option of what you have mentioned.

I guess Sonnia would be more up your alley in the case of assembly. She is all about just chucking fireballs down range, and plays very straight forward. The witchling stalkers that she comes with are the easiest models to assemble in the game, being sculpted as on piece each.

When assembling the Steam Trunk, obsessively check with the build instructions. The track pieces and wheels have a specific way they must go!

>>54285510
>>54285528
Thanks for replying! I did say "as many fronts as possible," but I'm willing to deal with a few bumps in the road if necessary (try building a Triarch Stalker sometime if your sense of self-worth is getting too big for its britches). The way you guys describe Von Schill makes him sound right up my alley, but I hadn't even considered Sonnia. I'll look into her as well. Thanks for the input!

One other thing: is the starter set worth it at all? I have a buddy who might be interested in splitting one with me since it has two groups/decks in it, but is it worth it?

>>54285650
Unless you are running one of the factions in the starter set, no. So for Von Schill it would be pointless. For Sonnia it wouldn't be that bad of an idea, as the Guild side of the set is made up of Witch Hunters that can take the Witch Hunter upgrades Sonnia comes with. The decks and tape measurers aren't worth it on their own. They use floppy tape measurers instead of hard ones, and paper fate decks instead of the nice plastic ones that Wyrd normally sells. The learning scenarios are far from comprehensive as well.

>>54285695
Good to know. Thanks again, friend!

Which master is subjectively the most fun as an obeyer?

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>>54285215
Pic related?
It certainly is ugly as fuck.

If you mean the sculpt of the pic in >>54280168 then you're on crack, it looks great.
>>54285296
Maybe it isn't fluff-perfect, admittedly, but it looks good as a model.

>>54285650
>try building a Triarch Stalker sometime
Oh shit, maybe Malifaux models are not for you.

Von Shill and Sonia are both definite possibilities.

There's no harm in the starter set if you can split it - as you say, it's got all the shit you need.

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>>54286066
I agree that the current Nekima is underwhelming as well. That is why I compared it to the first edition model. Both plastic Nekimas are honestly unsatisfactory. The current one has a bad face and is really tiny. For a character whose sword is supposed to be longer than a horse, she is barely any larger than Barbaros. The new one is scaled up which is nice, but the face is still ugly and the outfit is lore rapey as it gets. If they wanted to make her cover up they could have given her a cool looking suit of armor like the alt Barbaros or something.

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>>54286157
Agreed on all points, especially the Barbie armour idea.

Or they could just not give her nipples.

>>54286454

Is that the Whiskey Gamin on the left? Didn't realize that was getting a model.

>>54286066
>try building a Triarch Stalker sometime
>Oh shit, maybe Malifaux models are not for you.

Oof. They're that finicky, huh? Well, thanks for giving me perspective on it, at any rate.

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>>54287180
It varies wildly.
Von Schill's box, for example, is pretty simple, apart from the Steam Trun, which is probably one of the most needlessly excruciatingly complex models Wyrd produces.

Look at GMortsChaotica - he does unboxing/build posts of just about every box Wyrd releases, to you see all the sprues and built models.

>>54286700
>Whiskey Gamin
Seems to be, yeah.
Do they have M2E rules, or are they TTB only so far?

>>54288593
Whiskey Gamin do not have M2E rules. They will probably show up in Wave 6.

>>54288593
>That chunky as hell paint
Oh God. And the idea itself is good. This is why I recommend brushing on airbrush paint to newbies.

>>54285247
Toughts was poured onto this post

What precisely is the setup for melee Pandora? is that Box Open + Fears Given Form?

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>>54288790
Yeah, it's a real shame, but I'm willing to overlook it because the concept is so nice.
She's definitely not a novice painter (one of the top UK players a couple of years back, I think) but she seems to go for tabletop-level rather than top-quality paintjobs.
Probably looks really good from the other side of the table.

I kind of like the thick paint look on those minis, gives me a van Gough vibe

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>>54289852
I can sort of see what you mean.
Still doesn't quite do it for me as a piece of technical painting, even in the effect is good.

>>54289675
You can be a good player and still be an awful painter. See: Average WMH player.

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I am quite happy that Wyrd is finally putting the Iconic Fate Deck back in print. Now all we need them to do is hurry up and do the avatar base inserts that they are "working" on.

>>54291683
Am I the only one that actually likes the Arcane Fate Deck

>>54288768
The Whiskey Golem had better come with an upgrade that lets it summon Whiskey Gamin.

Also, what faction would a Whiskey Gamin even be? Arc/Gremlin with the Tri-Chi tag so 10T Brewie can take it? Dual faction models in a pair without a corresponding dual faction master would actually be pretty cool.

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>>54292137
I doubt that it will be dual faction. It will probably be a Tri-Chi model as you said though. What would be nice is if we got a Gremlin-Arcanist and a Outcast-Arcanist master.

>>54292137
I'm 90% sure it's not a whiskey gamin, I think it's for their new board game with racing gremlins

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Who are you guys going to vote for? And please let it be Nicodem because that guy just can't catch a break.

>>54293477

Nico, of course.

Do we know what the outcome's really going to be? I can't imagine they'll kill anyone.

>>54293649
Of course not. They don't kill off any named characters that have models. Lady Justice will just go into a coma again like she did after the observatory fell on her.

Seamus, Sinister Reputation, Red Chapel Killer, Who Do You Think I am? - 5 Soulstone cache
Copycat Killer
Madame Sybelle, Bleeding Tongue
The Hanged
Yin the Penangalan
Rotten Belle x2
Nurse

Thoughts on this?

>>54283327
If you can't play Jack, you're going to have a shitty time with Kirai or Sandeep. It's nothing to be ashamed of, they are complex masters and some masters just don't work for some players, finding the correct play style for you is definitely a thing.

What are you trying to do with Jack? what do you wish he could do? Tell me, maybe I can direct you to a suitable master.

I personally love the idea of Kirai, she looks incredible and does everything! I absolutely can't play her for shit though, I get overwhelmed with the sheer amount of options and allocate her resources poorly. I can play her OK at best, but will never be a good Kirai player, I lose with her 70% of the time.

It turns out I do really well with aggressive masters, I shine when I can get my crew in to combat and start dismantling the other crew piece by piece with target priority. I suck at the attrition game Kirai likes to play, but with Marcus or McMourning I get to set the pace and it works for me.

Consider active or reactive masters.

Keep Jack, once you've played a few more masters you will have a better perspective on what to do with Jack, as you pick up new skills. I used to have no idea what to do with McMourning, but after playing Marcus I understood how to play him.

>>54284247
She's named after one of the OG forum users, Hateful Darkblack.

>>54293722
While I would personally edge towards getting one more hanged, I can't deny the utility of that list otherwise. The Belles and the Nurse are the only thing that you would be able to shed for the extra rocks to get another hanged, but it may be smarter to stick with them in the end.

>>54293819

Worth considering, but I like Sybelle's contributions on paper so I'll try her out before trying a second Hanged.

>>54293722
>>54293819
>>54293983

I suppose for a bit of extra tactica: what sort of schemes and strats would this list best be run in? Which would be best avoided? That's something I'm still feeling out.

>>54293477
Nico, only to see if this is a chance for them to make an excuse to redo the undead Lady Justice set.

>>54286454
God its even more awful than the art suggested. Why the fuck did this have to happen? Her sword especially is just awful.

>>54292763
I keep wondering if Wong would've been feasible as an Arcanist dual master.

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>>54291824
It is also my preferred deck.

>>54291683
>Neil Henry
Maybe a liiiittle bit too Shadow of the Colossus, but generally Ilike it.
He's probably the Wave 5 I'm most looking forward to.

>>54295827
I've often thought this, but I don't know him or the general game quite well enough to work it out.

Though as the green Raspie(/Sonia) he would be a little redundant.

>>54295431
Her sword does look like shit, yeah.
I just really like the pose.

>>54296173
Pose is alright, face and horns are better than art suggests, wings sword andclothes really suck. It looks like rusty alyce doing a cosplay. It could stand to be a bit taller.

>>54292763
>>54291683
Where does this art come from? Is there more wave 5 art that came out recently?

>>54298351
These are both from the latest Chronicles, I'm pretty sure.

>>54296173
>He's probably the Wave 5 I'm most looking forward to

Honestly, eh. The Steamfitter looks pretty crazy for Ramos and the Medical Automaton seems super cute.

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>>54298516
I like the hat myself

I'm most excited for the corpse cart dude, but then I am a filthy Resser.

>>54302120
It's such a good idea flavorwise too. Being able to Bring Out Your Dead and carting the bodies around sounds like it would be so tight with Nico.

>>54302160

Definitely. Not only is it looking to be a -great- model, flavorwise it's just great.

It's cool to see characters from TTB and Chronicles showing up too. Kind of a shame Emmeline is just an alt-Sybelle and not a unique entity.

>>54283629
I've been trying to git rid of my arcanists. I should check this place out. Hopefully there's someone nearby in Maine who wants arcanist...

Alt-Nekima looks oddly similar to Skarre from Warmachine.

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>>54298516
John Henry is just the perfect rounding-out guy for my Mei crew.
Strictly a thematic thing, really.
I actually don't particularly like the prospective model - just a bit plain.
I was planning on repainting the sledgehammer Rail Worker black and using him instead once I get the headband guy painted up.
Otherwise mechanically he's just a super-Rail Worker to add to the slow-roll death blob and carry Hard Worker to let me ignore Armour and H2W.

>>54300853
Awwwwww god damn fucking shit that is adorable.

>>54302120
>>54302160
>>54302873
Nico with more mobile corpses is going to be a huge pain in the dickhole.
God damn.

>>54302873
>Emmeline
She does look damn nice though.

>>54257841
God dammit.

That things gorgeous, but I don't need $100 worth of Malifaux shit.

>>54306134
Well that depends on how much W5 stuff is available for GenCon.

>>54306134
Buying the Nightmare box I will be 80% of the way there anyways. At least, that is how I rationalize it to myself.

>>54307018

Shit, it'll be that expensive?

>>54307058
They always are a good clip more expensive than the regular crew boxes. So yes. It sucks as Wyrd has never been too great about shipping prices either.

>>54307453

Shame. I definitely won't be able to afford it then. Money's super tight.

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>>54307453
>Wyrd has never been too great about shipping prices either.
More like US international postage is bananas.

I think the cat lady is too 'funny' for my tastes.
I don't particularly see the appeal of the silly quirky models, and less so at twice the price of a usual box.

The Miss models look pretty great though.

>>54286454
Wyrd makes some great models for every other game I play. Can't wait till that releases.

I take it Seamus/McMourning/Nicodem, the book 1 trio, are a good learning roster for Ressers? Especially with Seamus going a more WP-based denial while Mcmourning is Poison offense.

>>54310856
That is right. The contents of their boxes are things that you want to have for Ressers in general anyways.

How do these look, then?

(1) McMourning - 6ss cache
+Moonlighting - 1ss
+Plastic Surgery - 1ss
(2) Zombie Chihuahua - 2ss
(3) Sebastian - 7ss
+Transfusion - 1ss
(4) Carrion Emissary - 10ss
+Conflux of Forbidden Knowledge - 0ss
(5) Rafkin - 7ss
(6) Nurse - 5ss
(7) Rotten Belle - 5ss
(8) Rotten Belle - 5ss
(9) Carrion Effigy - 4ss


(1) Nicodem - 6ss cache
+Undertaker - 1ss
+Maniacal Laugh - 1ss
(2) Vulture - 3ss
(3) Mortimer - 9ss
+Corpse Bloat - 2ss
(4) Carrion Emissary - 10ss
+Carrion Conflux - 0ss
(5) Bete Noire - 8ss
(6) Crooligan - 4ss
(7) Crooligan - 4ss
(8) Nurse - 5ss

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>>54312816
That Nico list looks suspiciously like a Ressur list without Rotten Belles.
Are you feeling ok?

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Can Gremlins be played competitively without Burt, Trixie and Fracois?

>>54285695
>starting Malifaux in 2e
>read 1d4 and pull my finger
>strongly drawn to Lucius
>find rule book and Lucius set new on sprue second hand for cheap
>find starter set at half price

Haven't even had the items arrive and feels like win already. Have I finally had something go right for me?

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>>54314657
Lucius got massively buffed recently, he's way better now. Make sure to get his erratta'd cards off Wyrd's site!

>crazy cat lady appears
>the world meta is going to be feline cancer in 2018
>Hamelin will get nerfed as he gets too much attention drawn by cat lady players
>nerf catjoy
>OG Hamelin players cry as Hamelin is nerfed in to unplayability


Calling it

>>54315558
>crazy cat lady appears
>sells like hotcakes
>boxes remain largely unplayed because Hamelin is too hard for cat fanciers

>>54314397

Haha. I can summon them if I need to!

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>>54316434
Tfw too shit to play hamelin

>>54287180
Most of malifaux models are awful to put together. They focus solely on undercuts and DramaticPosing at the detriment of construction ease. Meanwhile, their female models suffer from smoothdoll sameface syndrome.

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>>54319610
>Meanwhile, their female models suffer from smoothdoll sameface syndrome.
I fucking wish.

>>54319610
>>54319739

Come, join me in Ressers. A lot of models are a bitch to put together but we're an intentional, special kind of ugly faces!

>>54319739
I am not sure if they are intentionally making some of the newer female models ugly or not. I am a sucker for the crazy hair though, so I am OK with Asami.

>>54319923
That's not even her being ugly though, that's a severe bee allergy

>>54319767
I got the McMourning kit after realizing I can't play Lilith for shit. It was almost pleasant experience right until the zombie ratdog. That leg did not need to be a separate piece in any sort of universe.

>>54320006

Go look up the build instructions for Night Terrors. They're fascinating.

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>>54319610
>>54319739
>>54319767
>smoothdoll sameface syndrome
Oh boy do they.
My biggest complaint about Colette's crew of hot ladies is that they are exactly quote related.

A lot of the Ressur models, on the other hand, look like they'd be 'good' characterful faces even without the dead-y stuff.

Is it a CAD problem?

>>54320313
It's a sculpting problem as far as I think. Their digital sculptor can't do texturing to save their life (everything is smooth) and the same goes for faces. They can't do attractive faces that also have any sort of expressions going.

>>54320589
>Their digital sculptor can't do texturing to save their life
This is my only real gripe about Malifaux designs in general. There isn't much going on. Others like GW and KD show that you can have some good texture and detail with hard plastic. It's not always the case of course. Furrier dudes like yokai don't have the same issue.

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Any word yet on how to get this alt sculpt of Lazarus?

>>54320845
Nothing yet.
I'm hoping it's a secret release at gencon

Any general methodologies for cache size for Ressers? I imagine the summoners want more rather than less, but what about people like Seamus and McMourning?

>>54322803
Tara was here. Cache is for losers.

>>54323023

She's not a real Resser anyway

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Guessing this ist he right place to talk ThroughTheBreach stuff in.

Joining a new came campaign that starts next week. I've made my character but i'm indesicive as ever. I can't decide what elemental immuto to pick for my melee magic man. I've heard alot about ice being pretty good, but i wanted the opinion of whatever veteran players are lurking this thread

>>54323171
How does it compare to running a campaign game?

>>54323378
Sadly never tried a campaign game, so i wouldnt know

Alright /tg/ would you all please rate my Pandora turf war list

Pandora
-The Box Opens
-Fugue State
-Fear Given Form

Widow Weaver
-Fears Given Form

Beckoner
Beckoner
Insidious Madness
Insidious Madness
Sorrow
Sorrow

Any advice is greatly appreciated

>>54324100
Also
Primordial Magic

As my totem

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>>54320589
They can do men though.

>>54324117
>Also
>Primordial Magic
You are playing Neverborn, we know.

Could maybe do with another hitty thing, just so you can burn down a target when you need to.
Obviously yes,things will melt near brawler Dora, but it is good to be able to apply extra pressure.

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>>54323171
I missed my one and only chance to play TTB on Free RPG at the local.
Major bummer.

How does it run?
I've heard mixed things regarding character creation.

>>54323171
It is the right place in a sense that everyone is more than OK with people talking about TTB stuff. It is just that no one seems to talk about it in the first place. It's a pity as I want to try the damn game. But my group is occupied with another game, and online is tough because of the card mechanics not being wholly supported by Roll20 and the like.

>>54326629
That is a shame, it almost seems like TTS would be a decent fit then, more work for the Fatemaster that way

Lore question: Is it true that it was Yan Lo, Izamu, and Toshiro were brothers and directly responsible for the downfall of the Katanaka clan?

>>54327983
Yan Lo wasn't. His entire downfall happened way before the Katanaka clan even existed. Toshiro and Izamu on the other hand were.

>>54328006

That's what I thought. I saw the above in a conversation and none of the other posters corrected it.

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>>54315479
Thanks mang, will do exactly that.

>>54327983
Maybe they are releated to Yan Lo, but basically Izamu and Toshiro are the vassal and the lord, not brothers or something.

>>54326509
Runs pretty allright in my experiences.
Just takes a bit for new players to wrap their head around the setting and card system.

I like the character creator, though some aspects of your character may be more randomized than some people like.

>>54326629
I feel your pain brother, it's a damn shame.

Would an upgrade that makes rats significant be too broken for hamelin?

I'm trying to think of what could replace pipes

>>54334669
> Would an upgrade that makes rats significant be too broken for hamelin?
Yes, it would

TTB looks a little flawed but a lot of fun regardless. I'd enjoy playing someone who slowly descends into Necromancy due to hearing the Whispers.

Speaking of, I'd like to see more of Gwen from Shifting Loyalties' ressers chapter story.

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>>54334669
>Would an upgrade that makes rats significant be too broken for hamelin?

On a scale of Cheech to Chong, just how high are you?

The sole single only thing that doesn't render him unplayable (as the opponent) is that all his chaff is just chaff.

>>54334669
As a 30pt upgrade, I think it'd be fine.

>>54322803
I usually run just about all masters with a full, or maybe a 1-2 less if it means fitting in one more model.

>>54320006
Worst I ever ran into was Yan Lo's beard.

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Got some pictures from my last game. I could post a batrep if anyone's interested.

>>54335958
Doooo eeeeet.

Though to be honest, I'd prefer written sketches of the move rather than literal play-by-plays.
The incredibly-long-form batreps have never been my thing.

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>>54335958
>>54336349
Ok, that was very unclear.
Post as many photos as you like, but please don't write four thousand words
dissecting each model's activation.

>>54257244
Why do Ressers get so many alternative models?

>>54334701
>>54335499
>>54335644
I probably worded that wrong

An upgrade that gives single rats significant until the end of their activation.

or possibly an aoe that gives significant.

as a trade off they count as minions for encounter purposes.

>>54336593
They have fewer alternates than any faction with a nightmare set.

Among Ressers, NB, 10T, and Gremlins though NB has a bunch of models that would be weird to genderswap and 10T and Gremlins aren't even real factions.

>>54335958
>not even primed
FILTH!

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>>54336593
I was just about to say
>Because they ran out of Guild models to do
But then they made an Outcast Guild model.

>>54336710
Still broken to all fuck.
Hamelin can fucking flood the board - if any one of those Rats could drop (or even sac to become) a Scheme Marker, just about any Scheme that needs them is an auto-complete for him. On top of near-perfect denial of three or four of the Schemes in the rotation right now.

There's no way to let him make those Rats useful without returning him to game-fucking levels of skewed.

>>54336972
I'm glad someone said it.
inb4 grey horde defence force.

>>54337012
>grey hordes defence force
Oh boy my belly.

People actually defend they grey plague?

I have some painting to do...

>>54336986
You could do something like give Hamelin himself a (0) that turns rats into markers, or give him a trigger when he Obeys vermin that you need to stone for.

Letting rats use their own AP to drop markers though is basically right out.

>>54337122
Still fucking OP. Having a dozen wandering potential schememarkers is far too strong and even less fun to play against than he already is.

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>>54337091
Shit son, everyone got some painting to do.
You got painting to do, I got painting to do, BatRepAnon got painting to do.
Long as you do some painting every now and then, Saul Goodman.
Motherfuckers just got to do some painting now and then.

>>54337068
Right?
Can you believe these guys?

Fuckoudaheer with the perma-grey plastic shit.

>>54337122
>>54337122
>Having a dozen wandering potential Scheme markers is far too strong and even less fun to play against than he already is.
This, as I said in >>54336986.
Maybe it won't be quite so bad after the next QoL errata, or GG18, but until something changes you'd have to find something completely different to do with the Rats, because making them point-scorers is not a viable option.

>>54337987
what about something like you can pop them to spread blight?

>>54338106
That would be more manageable, sure.

>>54335958
>>54336380
Cool will do.

>>54336972
Just assembled them.
I'm honestly a shit painter. I used to con my buddy into it, but he moved out of town.

>>54338202
Hey not trying to offend you, but i had to shout it.

>>54338481
No worries. I know the feeling. I just wish I wasn't shit at painting anything smaller a tank.

Have some pretty nicely painted guard tanks. The infantry look pretty terrible from anything closer than a meter away.

I'm honestly afraid to fuck up such great models.

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I think I might have to wait till I get home actually. We're both new players and I don't exactly recall the right name for the strategy and schemes we had.

>>54338784
Thanks for the pictures. I always get tempted to take pictures and write battle reports myself, but it always seems a little officious to whip out a camera in the middle of a game and ask my opponent if I can take pictures at regular intervals.

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>>54338856
Actually forgot to take pics until almost the end.

Pic related is what the sisters killed turn 2 with whirl winds.

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>>54338887
I take that back Lenny lived to turn 4.

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>>54338202
>I'm honestly a shit painter
Everyone's been there bud.
Just start.
Even if it's just trousers, jacket, sking, sword and Agrax Earthshade (or applicable replacement.

It doesn't take long, or skill, to make something look good from ten feet, and from ten feet your tabel will look a hundred times better than grey and silver.

And you can always come back and highlinght over the wash when you feel more confident, or pick out more details.

You can do it son, we believe in you.

I've got to go, but cheers for throwing up those shots - I'll have a peruse in an hour or two.

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>>54338887
>Pic related is what the sisters killed turn 2 with whirl winds.
Oof, brutal.

>>54338856
>it always seems a little officious to whip out a camera in the middle of a game
>ask my opponent if I can take pictures at regular intervals.
These are separate times though - ask your buddy at the start if you can take a few shots while he ponders his moves.
There's not usually a sea of dead time, but there are always minutes throughout the game that you can snap in without disrupting.
I certainly wouln't mind having a bit more of a record.

>>54340285
Ho;y siht my doghsit typing tho.

Any tips on the Outcast vs Neverborn match up?

I currently have Hamelin and Daw. My buddy usually runs Lilith.

>>54341562

What sort of models do you usually bring in their lists?

>>54342194
At the moment just the theme crews. I haven't expanded much outside of that.

>>54342338

So you have almost no offensive power. I'd suggest something like Ashes & Dust or Desolation Engine, to bolster Hamelin's front lines.

Has Wyrd ever clarified what the hell plastic Hamelin is summoning up? The blobby thing that has more parts than the rest of his crew box combined.

There are Master to absolutely avoid at all cost?
I'm looking for ten thunders/gremlins factions

>>54343047

Uh, don't start with Brewmaster.

>>54343047
Avoid in what way? Yan Lo and Brewmaster are probably the weakest masters, arguably amongst the weakest in the game, but Brewwie is tonnes of fun to play. Maybe not so fun to play against but. If you mean complexity, I don't think either faction really has anything you won't be able to wrap your head around within 5 games. In terms of fun I guess people tend to not like playing against denial masters which mainly means Brewie, though really you can make facing him as fun or unfun as you want.

>>54343101

I mean below average master, or just awful: like Ophelia and Mah Tucket(if what i readed here is right)

>>54343132
If it's about below average masters, avoid Yan, Brewmaster, Misaki, Mei, Mah, Ophelia and Zoraida.

Though it's really just balanced enough that skill will get you wins, no matter how supposedly shit or strong the masters on the field are.

>>54342958
I figured it was more or less a representation of Plague, the tyrant.

>>54343132
The issue isn't that they are average, it's that Somer is way the fuck above average.

>>54343182

Thx anon: right now I have to choose between Shenlong, Som'er, Ulix, Wong and Zipp

>>54343336
As 4/5 of those are Gremlins, just play Somer to start out and expand into the others eventually. Zipp and Wong come with models that will be useful for Somer in the long run anyways.

>>54343343

Thx again anon. Apart this boarrd, which is a good site to check strategies, formations and models?
1d4chan isn't helpfull as for 40k

>>54343370
PullMyFinger is the best tactica currently. It isn't exactly well curated, but it should give you an idea of what you can do with those masters. And of course ask questions. It really does help to see the thread bumped so that it doesn't die before hitting 300 posts as it does every single time.

>>54343370
https://pullmyfinger.wikispaces.com/

>>54343336
What sort of playstyle do you prefer? The sort of playstyle that fits you will be a whole lot more important than how strong the masters are.
For TT for example, McCabe and Shenlong are the strongest masters but they're largely generalist support masters who buff and reposition their crew while just below that are Lynch and Asami who are mostly centered around being extremely killy, but all of them play very differently and will carry vastly different results depending on how you approach them.

>>54343435
>>54343443
Thx Anons

>>54343467
In others wargames, i prefer to use elite units to wipe key characters. This time i would like to try or an horde-style army with a strong master or a more buff/debuff one with mobile
units.
I would appreciate even silly units with strong, aoe, self-dangerous abilities

>>54343569
Elite units wiping out key characters and buffing/debuffing with mobile units describes TT to a T.
Horde-style would be more Gremlin's thing.
One of the biggest differences between TT and Gremlins is that Gremlins are very swingy and random in their results while TT are designed around being consistent and precise. Think a catapult vs a scalpel.

>>54343731
Generally i prefer a cetain outcome instead of RNG. This time i could try a new approach

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>>54343101
>>54343182
Yan Lo and Ophelia aren't that bad. They just get out shone by better masters.

Mah is pretty much the worst master wyrd has ever made.

>>54343769
Somer is probably the best bet. He does horde well, and is a highly mobile support master.

>>54343952
Yan Lo is slightly better in TT but even there he is one of the worst masters in the game. The only thing Brewmaster and Yan Lo have going for them is that you can slap them onto any generic TT build and they'll at least do what that TT builds do. In Resser he is contending for the worst master in the game though. Same with Brewwie and Gremlins.

>>54343996

What's so bad about him in Ressers?

>>54344005
He's terrible in general, but Ressers as a faction aren't quite as good at building standalone lists that work slapped onto just about any master.

>>54344005
He doesn't have access to Terracotta Warriors, Ten Thunders Brother, Low River Monks, Misdirection, Recalled Training, and all of the other tools that make TT work well regardless of what master is running the show.

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>>54343996
I think you're expecting to much from him. Just use him like a beater. Most masters don't get the luxury of cool subtle tricks.

>>54344163
He is a very poor beater though. 3/4/5 if you take both a shitty upgrade and his Emissary and all his defenses take time and resources to even exist. The one thing that I like about him is that as long as he exists there is no point for the opponent to try to take down Izamu or the Emissary. It's a nice way to use those units as carefree as possible. But a master should really be able to do more than that and the odd repositioning. I honestly don't know what Wyrd is gonna do with his new upgrade. Can't say I have a lot of faith in it though.

I think Yan Lo sure looks cool conceptually, but I'll be waiting awhile before buying him.

How's Datsue-Ba fare with Seamus? I've heard some things about using Seishin in a pinch to block LOS so he can Back Alley away.

>>54344719
Quite well, few things outside of Seamus' gun are vying for high cards in his crew, so if you focus + use a high card she has a good chance of last-hitting an enemy for a summon.

If you're also taking a Hanged she can push it around as well.

How many rats do I need for Hamelin? Is 6 enough?

>>54345667

His crew box and Brotherhood of the Rat expansion net you 12.

>>54345678
What about rat kings? Are two enough?

>>54345709

Depends. It's pretty easy to get 3 or 4 on the table. I'd proxy or see if you can purchase loose ones somewhere, if you don't like the idea of bases with masking tape labeled "rat king" on them.

What do Sonnia model pools look like nowadays?

odd inquiry but who could be called the best summoner for monetary cost? As in which summoning master brings best value models out for their price point.

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>>54343132
>>54343250
>The issue isn't that they are average, it's that Somer is way the fuck above average.
This is very much true.
Ophelia, the shooting Master, is less good at shooting that Somer, plus Somer can summon, and gets cards out the arse all game.
Gremlins are in a state, and it leads to advice like >>54343343 being perfectly appropriate, which is sad.


>>54343101
>>54343996
>Yan Lo and Brewmaster are probably the weakest masters, arguably amongst the weakest in the game
Really?
I've found Yan's Lightning Dance pretty difficult to deal with once the Chi is up (which can happen pretty quickly), and Brewies bubble is a nightmare.
Drop that on top of a decent 10T crew and they are just fine - just like all 10T Masters, their gimmick does good work for teh otherwise-independent crew.
Outside of 10T they probably are shit though, yes.

>>54343569
>This time i would like to try a horde-style army with a strong master or a more buff/debuff one with mobile units.
>I would appreciate even silly units with strong, aoe, self-dangerous abilities
I'll take "What are Gremlins?" for $500 please Alex.

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>>54348198
Don't go looking for a dollars-effective Summoner, son, just play a normal Master.

If you are set on it though, Sandeep plus a box of Wind Gamin.

>>54348439
Alright, was more just curious if it has been settled whose summon list is best value for dollar, know nicodem would low on such a list.

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>>54348473
Heck, you could just get a box of Punk Zombies (maybe also Hanged) and do Ok with Nico.

>>54348536
Though guess in the way I worded my question most summoners fall to the same trap of you need to buy a lot to make them work to their full potential.

Why exactly Mei Feng considered to be weak master? She can protect part of her crew from Sh\Ca, can provide a lot of scrap markers for Toshiro summoning (between totem, emissary and porkchop), can beat something herself too.

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>>54348790
>Why exactly Mei Feng considered to be weak master?
I've often wondered this.
I can only think that it's because she's a brutal counter-pick, but if you don't have Sh/Ca to defend against, and the enemy don't a) clump with b) low-Df models, then she's just a fast beater with average damage output.

Against Gremlins, she shuts them down hard, similarly against Guild, and against Ressurs she can wipe two or three models a turn if you are careful.
If you don't pull the right opponent though, she's Misaki without the damage output.

She's wicked goddamn fun though.

>>54348380
>'ll take "What are Gremlins?" for $500 please Alex.

I don't understand: they're expensive?

>>54349660
It's a meme, related to the USA tv show(s). I'm not from USA, so I'm unfamiliar with it and wouldn't comment on that anon's words.
But for what you asked in >>54343569 an answer was "Gremlins"

>>54349809

Thx for the clarification

>>54348875
Well, she also have cross-faction hire pool (like, Spark + Rail Golem = Fast and\or Armor 3 face beater) and access to easy summons with Toshiro. Ofc, anyone can hire Toshiro, but Mei provides a lot of markers for him to use.

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>>54351412
>Sparks
Do you use Mei, and if so Sparks?
I've been meaning to make a proxy for him from pic related - swap the brush for a spanner head. That's a wrench for you Yanks.

He looks like he's probably good, but I don't know if he's survivable enough to put him in the face of them folks that I need to shut down with Hostile Work Environment.

I guess if I get a turn or two out of him that's OK value, and I can choose whether or not to Stone to keep him alive based on how badly it disrupts their crew mechanics. Geddit? Mechanics!

>>54349660
>>54349863
It's a gameshow format in which contestants must pose the question that is answered by the phrase provided by the host.

You pretty much wrote "This time I would like to try [Gremlins faction description]" in >>54343569.

Having said that, to reach "competitive model pool" level you might need an extra box or two more than other factions, since they are all so cheap in-game, so they be an extra $15 or so to get set up.

I'm not an Americlap, I don't actually know what the show is.

Anybody looked at the wave 5 stuff yet?

Any opinions?

>>54352494
Medibot looks absolutely adorable

>>54352846
It does look spiffy. I'm wondering what sort of shenanigans your can get up to.

I kinda want to play with rotten+emmisary for potentially m10 mindless zombies.

>>54353107
You can Understudy or Prompt the heal action, so your opponent might have to bring something down to its HtK wound two or three times before they can finally remove it. That seems annoying as all hell.

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>>54353353
>You can Understudy or Prompt the heal action
Oh shit son, there's an interaction I should have spotted first time.

I keep forgetting Cassie's Understudy can touch so many more models than it first looks.

Though I might have to proxy in something else - the robot doesn't fit fantastically.

The little lass from pic related might work - paint the bag white with a red cross, and as good a nurse costume as I can.
I picked up a few Wolsung minis because they look nice, but the game system doesn't turn me on, and the world is not as interesting as Malifaux's.

>>54353107
Asura Roten and the Corpse Cart are about to bring Nico back into the top-tier of Ressurs in a big way, undoubtedly.

I'm glad Reva hasn't landed on my local scene yet, because she looks like a huge pain in the dickhole.

>>54353591
From the Wolsung RPG at least, I just can't see why anyone would like it. The mechanics don't make any sense, and I am not sure whether it is intentionally being racist or not. The miniatures aren't very well hewn, but I they are one of the best candidates for Malifaux proxies assuming that you aren't trying to keep things tournament legal.

>>54353591
>Nico back into the top-tier of Ressurs
It's going to be nuts. With the corpse cart and the right crew Nico can be drawing 4 or even 6+ extra cards a turn.

The new minions are pretty spiffy too. The mounted zombie can add mobility and drop more counters, while he is expensive.

The new zombie gremlins seem pretty cool too, cheap to summon and they put out pulse damage with a pretty high wp duel.

Nico definitely got a lot of love this wave.

So i'm finally taking the jump into this game and bought the Titania box, the mystic emisarry and the hooded rider.

Am i completely fucked ?

>>54354704
That's a pretty good start. You should probably look at Babaros and Nekima if you are running Titania. Decent general minions like Waldgeists will help too.

>>54354741
I was considering adding Waldgheists to the purchase as well, but that would go alittle beyond the budget i was comfortable spending.

What does Babaros and Nekima bring to the table for my crew ?

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>>54354213
The mechanics of the games, from what I saw on BoW, are just convoluted ofr the sake of it, while the setting seems to be "I dunno, Victoriana and shit I guess?" with no additional development.
>I am not sure whether it is intentionally being racist or not.
How do you mean?
I've not looked far enough into it to make a call either way.

>Proxies
Unfortunately, the bloke in that pic >>54353591 is a tall 35mm height, rather than normal 32mm, so I don't know how well it will actually work.

I was thinking of using him as a mechanical Nicodem, with various robo-things in place of Ressur stuff, and/or a Ramos in the meantime.

I might use pic related as a lone Oxfordian Mage with Mei Feng in Arcanists.

>>54354805
Nekima is perhaps the best choice for The Queen's Champion. She is a dedicated hard hitter, and when she gets the aforementioned upgrade she can be really hard to put down. Babaros is there for taunts. He can force your opponent to do a ton of willpower duels and generally gum up the works, while being a solid hitter himself.

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>>54354268
>Nico definitely got a lot of love this wave.
Yuuuuup.

It's funny, because there were a couple of players doing very well quite publicly on the UK scene with Nico almost purely through egregiously over-abundant card draw bullshit.
So they added some more.

And the last thing we need is Nico to be more mobile with minions or markers.

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>>54354852
The setting itself is racist, not just fantasy racist. It embraces every chariacture it can. The Chinese especially follow the yellow terror paradigm, with the entire population of that country being decadent savages (They are literally orcs) for the heroes to cut down. Thire designs aren't exactly flattering either, and the same goes for the pygmys, Caribbean natives, ect. There is a general trend of making foreigners look like inhuman monsters. You of course have the Germans who are portrayed positively spreading their version of totally not national socialism. And while non-Europeans sucks, the Poles are portrayed as complete badasses (Micro Arts is a polish company, go figure). It is quite a whiplash when compared to Malifaux where non-Europeans are actual humans, and colonialism as portrayed as a bad thing. It may be unintentional because they are Polish and aren't used to this stuff, but the fact that one of the writers is a card carrying fascist makes me have my doubts.

Micro Arts makes some bitching bases and terrain though, I can't fault them there. The cobblestone resin bases are much nicer than the Secret Weapon ones or anything that you could sculpt on your IMO.

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>>54355024
Well when you put it like that it does sound a bit iffy.
I was on board with "leans heavily on period-appropriate charicatures", but that goes a bit further than I had thought.

At least the models are nice, I'll stick with them...

>>54354887
I wouldn't be surprised if the gravedigger got an errata saying the push/draw thing doesn't work on mindless zombies.

I'm pretty happy to see Asura Rotten though. with corpse bloat, Mortimer and a emissary, it's potentially 4 mindless zombies/corpse markers a turn. I'll finally be able to field the zombie horde I've always wanted.

>>54355024
>they are Polish and aren't used to this stuff
That'd be my guess. Since they weren't a colonial power, they probably don't have a great understanding of what that means.

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>>54355478
But that will give him the same problems as Hamelin, only with more, more effective, beaters.

Cool, yes, but not good for teh game.

>>54348875
Mei Feng is really nice, unless your opponent brings the wrong models. That's kind of the issue here, a bad match-up for her is one that leaves her a 8-10 SS beater.

>>54348439
What is that in front of Sandeep and the metal gamin?

>>54356824
Essence of power.

Speaking of Nico's avatar, I hear he actually briefly died? What happened there?

I have VS, Parker and Viktoria crews, with almost every other outcast enforcer/henchman and I've had too much frustruating expirience playing against Reva recently. What should I bring to the table to effectivly counter her and how should I use it? Heard something about killing her turn 1 with killjoy, but not a lot of details about that tactic.

>>54356348
You're right it probably is too good. It still looks fun.

>>54357088
There's headless lady j too.
I don't know if they ever actually died. I know Seams was bonified shot in the head ded, but he got better.

>>54357352
I have heard that bumrushing her is one of the more viable method of dealing with her.

I guess for most of them, pick the fastest thing in your faction under 6ss and throw it at the enemy, then follow it in with the rest of the beaters.

So, the Forgotten Marshal. When do you use him? He seems a strange model, no clear role outside out of likely summoning something when he dies.

>>54359494
I haven't used him, but he seems like he's an assassination model. He can burry/unburry for mobility and ice he gets to his target choke the life out it's a pretty big force multiplier.

If you manage to have him hit something twice you can really step up the damage for other models.

I'm thinking you run him to support cheap scheme runners. Dogs or necropunks move up the field, and he unburries next to them to take out opposing scheme runners or anyone hunting your little guys. Him plus a flurrying punk or two could or put out some hurt.

That and the free model when he dies makes you worry less about keeping him alive.

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How do I use Carlos?
I just picked him up, and the balancing fire/tank seems like it might be all too easy to fuck up.

>>54359890

That's true. The timing on Strangled makes OoA slightly awkward though. I'll just have to get him on the table I guess.

>>54335958
who makes the cart?

Time for new thread?

>>54361435
No. This one hasn't even hit bump limit yet, much less archived.

>>54361435
Time for a new thread - we are at 303 posts, on page 3, and will be dead within two hours.

Make it happen, Anon.

>>54361855

>>54361914

Praise me, senpai

>>54361920
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