What went wrong?

>>54245045
Nothing. He won.

thirteen crusades

>>54245045
Post-2010 GW turning Chaos into a bunch of unstoppable evil sues.

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>>54245051
>tfw the rest of the Cadia system still holds
>tfw half the galaxy's cut off by warp fuckery
>tfw Big Bobby G is actually ok
>tfw Khorne trolls BA instead of killing them
>tfw eldar god of death shows up early
>tfw daemon primarchs still getting smoked
>tfw a gorillion new 9' tall marines
>tfw Belisarius "Innovator of Traitor Deflators" Cawl
>tfw Bobby's First Crusade
>tfw "winning"

>>54245045
His model still doesn't look like this

Not enough Empra'

>>54245930
Chaos triumvirat when

>>54245837
>tfw still NO ARMS

>>54245837
>>tfw the rest of the Cadia system still holds

Doesn't matter. The Gates is broken and Crimson Path surge.

>>tfw Khorne trolls BA instead of killing them

Who cares? Khorne Blood Crusade has nothing to do with the Black Cruasade.

>>tfw Big Bobby G is actually ok

Despite his efforts, the galaxy is still doomed

>>tfw eldar god of death shows up early

Incpmplete but...

Yes and? How does this reflect on Abaddon? He isn't Slaanesh.

>>tfw a gorillion new 9' tall marines

Piss in an ocean compared to the billions of daemons storming the galaxy

> Belisarius "Innovator of Traitor Deflators" Cawl

??

>>tfw Bobby's First Crusade

Did NOZING important.

>>tfw "winning"

The Gate is broken. The 13th Black Crusade is crossing the galaxy. He has won and will continue to win. You can't stop him.

>>tfw daemon primarchs still getting smoked

They getting their asses kicked on their personal quests has no bearing on Abaddon.

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>>54246240
>The Gate is broken. The 13th Black Crusade is crossing the galaxy. He has won and will continue to win. You can't stop him

>Believing chaos has a chance.

>>54245045

thats one of the worst illustrations i've seen in a while.

>>54245152
They over-corrected in response to the Failbaddon meme.

>>54245045
The Imperium has too many enemies, so from a fluff perspective it can't all be about him.

>>54246240

>this is what failbaddon groupies believe

>>54245045
No arms

>>54245045
Should have been slain by Celestine in Cadia and then ascend to daemonhood. New Models with functioning arms would have been nice.

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>>54246204
>>54246799
>>54246799
>>54247165

>>54245045
>What went wrong?
Letting Aaron 'daddy issues' Bowden anywhere near Abaddon was asking for trouble.

>>54247476
I got both references.
Fuckit Carmen San Diego is going into my TR campaign.

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>>54247476
I gotchu, senpai.

>tfw believed for years that Abaddon actually had no arms in the fluff
>thought CSM friend played him without arms to reflect this
>only last week learned that wasn't true

Zoggin' crazy

>>54248034
>Letting Aaron 'daddy issues' Bowden anywhere near a setting where fathers and sons and their relationships are the cornerstone was asking for trouble.
fixed

>>54248087
Jesus, this isn't even 1d4chan tier ''fan'', is your only source of 40k info shitposting on /tg/?

>>54245051
This

>>54246240
t. abaddon

>>54248063
will she do anything lewd?

>>54248306
Besides the Ork fluff, yesbut only the more popular codex stories[/spoiler

>>54248536
No, she probably stole Lewdness from the campaign as a precaution.

>>54246665
GW doesn't know how to write anything in a balanced or grounded portrayal. Same thing happened when Fantasy got replaced with End Times, except Chaos weren't weak and instead they wanted to "correct" the "problem" of Chaos losing and cranked up Archaon particularly in response to complaints that he was TOO powerful already.

Pissing on the faces of their fans

>>54249470
Usually I'm all for normies getting into my games, the more the merrier and what not.
But you need to go and stay go

>>54245045
>no helmet
>NEEDS to be the BBEG
>achtchually the chosen and more and bester than daddy

>>54245045
That giant topnkot and tubes coming out of his face, He can't do anything, move his head, take a nap,

>>54245045
Everything

>>54246240
>this is how chaosfags think

Abbadon is so fucked BL writers are probably going to give him a really embarrassing death. Like, a horde of tau are going to smoke him in CC.

>>54256298
I'm pretty sure you're responding to Carnac.

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>>54245045
his proportions ?

>>54256947
#2 is acceptable to me because of all the warp fuckery making him YUGE.

>>54256298
No, ADB is working on a whole series of Abaddon books that will stretch to like 2020. They aren't killing the main hero. The Black Legion series book 1 "Talon of Horus" have distinction of being the only BL book to have its limited edition book sold out in a single day within a few hours of its release. Not even the Primarch limited books get sold in a single day.

Abaddon is that popular and beloved.

>>54256947
Now picturing all space marines as #1

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>>54245045
We made a leader of a fool, a champion born of a failure, we March to under the shadow of defeat.

Perhaps we should have never leave the eye and decay in our hedonist empires and gorge in our perversion

Now we bleed like we used in the past, we struggle in defiance and even if the long war is prove to be our undoing, we'll make sure the galaxy burns and the the false Emperor's dream dies under the gods laugh

Do not mistake the intentions of this war, we don't March to reclaim, we March out of bitter hatred, for a realm long denied and as their creators, we might as well watch it die in our grasp.

>>54256947
Heads don't grow when muscles do, which is part of what makes regular space marines already disproportionate to the point of freakishness, let alone marines who've been snorting warp for ten thousand years. 2 seems reasonable to me.

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>>54260003
>tfw spoken like a true Iron Warrior.

IRON WITHIN

>>54260694
>iron warrior
>Chaos star on armor

reeeee
RRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>54251383
>normies getting into my games

I've played 40k for over 10 years

>>54260763
>only since 1997

fucking newfag

>>54256947
The proportions of 2 and 3 still dont really work, because he can't move his arms more than wiggling them a little. The only way he (or any of the ridiculous space marine special characters) could swing his arms is if his head is sticking out of his chest.

what is with chaos and tubes?
especially tubes into the face, what is even in them

>>54260951
You mean 2007?

>>54259660
>Abaddon is that popular and beloved

Hahahaha.

Guy's a joke on every single forum.

>>54248082
Oh oh oh Oh oh ohoh oh oh

>>54245045
So what happened to the 13th Black Crusade guys? Bobby G just crusaded for 100 years right? What the fuck was Abaddon doing during this time?

>>54263915
>the worst members of humanity HATE him!
Click here to find out why

>>54263915
>Primarch limited books last months before they are sold out
>Abaddon's Black Legion limited book gets sold out within the first hour.

Dude, I was there for it. I thank my lucky stars that I made it in time. When my friend tried to buy it in the second hour, it was GONE.

Explain this shit. You can't except Abaddon being the most popular 40K character.

>>54263975
>So what happened to the 13th Black Crusade guys?

It was successful. Cadia was destroyed and the biggest ever warpstorm tore the Imperium in two.

>Bobby G just crusaded for 100 years right?

Yes. The Indomitus Crusade reclaimed parts of the Imperium that had fallen in the aftermath of the 13th Black Crusade.

>What the fuck was Abaddon doing during this time?

Not yet revealed, but there is a whole half of the Galaxy beyond Bobby G's reach; the Imperium Nihilus. Abaddon may have been at work over there, but that's just my speculation.

>>54256947
#1 is the only acceptable responce

>>54263915
>>54263983
>>54264113
ADB has quite a fanbase on Bolter and Cucksword, they'd buy a turd if he was selling it.

>>54263915
Only because for the last 20odd years all his black crusades were failures...only when they reconned them 'i was just scouting out things haha just as planned' did he actually achieve something apart from getting some blackstones

>>54264244
The whole point of the 13th BC was to get to Terra. Cracking Cadia is something that should have happened eons ago.
Why doesnt someone just get rid of this useless asshole already?

>>54264278
Nope, the old lore doesn't call his crusades failures. Andy Chamber's article about Abaddon in 3rd begins with "ABADDON THE VICTORIOUS".

>>54264386
What little fluff we have about the crusade in 8th ed, says that the crusade is on its way to Terra.

So something might have slowed it or derailed it. Wait for the lore to expand it in a month or two.

>>54264260
Ragnar Blackmane's limited book wasn't sold out within a single day, and it was an ADB book. A good one.

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>>54263430
Fucking hell, where's the time gone?

>>54264441
>100 years
>on the way
Hmmm. Really activates my almonds.

>>54264526
Angron's Dominion Of Fire lasted 400 years. Takes time brah.

>>54264596
>Takes time brah.
>13th! Black Crusade
>8000 years of build up
>Won by throwing large rock at a Cadia
>Flummoxed by what to do next because he expected another failure
It all make sense now thanks Anon.

>>54264526
Look. We don't call it the Short War, alright?

>>54246240
>The Gate is broken. The 13th Black Crusade is crossing the galaxy. He has won and will continue to win. You can't stop him.
t. NPC faction

>>54264619
We don't what exactly what happned next so there is no point to speculate until the CSM codex gets released in the end of this month or the next one/

>>54264648
>Just wait and see what excuse they come up with this time guys
Sad.

>>54264662
>implying Abaddon isn't crushing all the swarming of Orks, Eldar, Necrons, Tyranids, traitor-traitors, and Imperials trying to impede his progress.

They all know that he is great trouble to the galaxy. They ain't gonna let him through without a fight.

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>>54245045
He's Skeletor. It's his destiny to accomplish nothing.

It's my personal theory that Bile keeps Horus' genetic material, and whenever Abbadon#X turns into a chaos-spawn for failing, he pops out a new clone, and shows the new one the last one as a reminder of the price of failure.... but he still fails because Skeletor.

>>54264113

Abaddon is literally the shittiest character in the book. Iskander, Ukris and Lyras were, by far, the drive of the novel.

Nobody cares about that chaos guy who cant do anything right.

I know its expecting too much from 40k but why would anyone spend 10,000 years to spread misery and death. There is no end goal, if anything Abandon is living his end goal, sowing chaos and destruction in his wake. If he ever kills the Emperor for real is when Abandon will be standing on the corpse of Terra with nothing left to live for.

Anyways, motivations that are only revenge over a gigantic span of time is pretty shitty.

>>54265634
When people bought it, they didn't know who were the main stars. They just knew it was a book about the Black Legion and Abaddon. That alone caused it to sell like slaaneshi hotcakes.

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>>54264113
>Explain this shit. You can't except Abaddon being the most popular 40K character.
That is not how causation works at all. Smash yourself over the head with textbooks until all the stupid falls out of your head.

>>54265381
Bile is wanked enough without that atrocity of a theory.

>>54265698

when i got it i surely knew it wasnt about abbadon but what happened to chaos after the death of Horus.

Then i read it and loved the MAIN characters (Isk, Ukris, Lyras...).

Finally, when Hobbodon showed up inside his diogenes syndrome ship i couldnt care less about him.

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Can someone explain to me whem GW started moving the plot forward? I thought Abbadon was still fighting with Creed on Cadia with no naval support.

>>54266166
Last year, GW released Warzone Fenris: Curse of the Wulfen and Warzone Fenris: Wrath of Magus, which began inching the plot forward. January of this year they began the Gathering Storm (Fall of Cadia, Fracture of Biel-Tan, Rise of the Primarch) series, which resolves the 13th Black Crusade, the bith of Ynnead and the return of Roboute Gulliman.

They then threw in a 100 years-and-a-bit timeskip between that and the setting as it stands in 8th edition.

>>54245045
Ward's returning

>>54266166
>Can someone explain to me whem GW started moving the plot forward?
5th edition retconned the eye of terror campaign and set the clock back to before the 13th black crusade started.

Everything after that slowly moved the story forward, culminating in the whole Gathering Storm set of books, which was the 13th Black Crusade again but bad.

>>54266888
>>54266936
Okay. Also, isn't Ward no longer writing for GW? If so, why did they make Toilet primarch the Imperial Warmaster? Terrible fucking choice.

>>54266969
>why did they make Toilet primarch the Imperial Warmaster?
because he was

1: alive
2: actually present, not MIA
3: not full retard

The only one in a similar situation is Lion-O, but his mental state is questionable. The other primarchs will obviously come after robert lays some foundation.

>>54267010
I think he meant 'why did GW make Girlyman the warmaster'. They choose who is and isn't MIA, after all.

The answer is that, of the handful of primarchs that could act as wide ranging leaders for a new imperium (lion, dorn, girlyman), girlyman would take the most offense at the imperium's current state given how hard he pushed for a meritocratic libertarian utopian society, and drama is a good thing.

I think the thing that went wrong with abadon was bringing horus to the snake lodge for healing. which is eribuses fault because he's the dark apostle who suggested it. which is logars fault because he was a whingeing bitch who needed a deity. so everything is logars fault. so no surprises there.

FUCK YOU LOGAR

>>54256947
BEEP BEEP CORPSE-EMPEROR FUCKERS!

>>54267201

And running stuff is his speciality, unlike other primarchs that are good at tactics, and killing, and building fortresses, etc (unless Matt Ward is writing and he's better at all of that stuff too).

>>54268844
Roboute is the best at strategy and planning a campaign, Lion is the best at tactics and leading the army on the field. Bobby is also a pretty good fighter, he beat the shit out of Lorgar and Angron (until Angron REEEEEE'D, at least).

>>54269245
>Bobby is also a pretty good fighter
he got beaten by angron, magnus, kor pheron and fulgrim and drew with mortarion and lorgar

not the best record

>>54270186
>he got beaten by angron
He was winning until Angron went full retard, was already exhausted from fighting Lorgar, and had to retread because Angron ascended.
>magnus
Magnus is bullshit powerful. The way psykers are presented, he should have been easily stronger then all other Primarchs combined.
>kor pheron
Not the best showing but he got stunned for like a second and then ripped his heart out and made him run.
>fulgrim
Arguably best fighter among Primarchs and a fucking Daemon Prince to boot.
>and drew with lorgar
Didn't he beat him so bad angron had to step in?

>>54249470
You're a piece of shit.

>>54246240
>>tfw Bobby's First Crusade

>Did NOZING important.
Except establish a dmz and "reinforce countless chapters" and form new ones to hold that dmz.
My guess is future fluff will look like this: chaos holds one gate to imperial nihilus the imperium holds the other there is only war and whatnot

>>54265923
Except it is. Show me any one other limited edition book that sold out on its first day. You can't.

>>54270426
>Magnus is bullshit powerful.

Here is a list of people who beat Magnus
>Russ
>Iskandor Khayon
>Bjorn
>Logan with the Khornate axe + Grey Knights

>>54245930
Fucking this. The fact that Abbadon still doesn't have a new model is a god damn disgrace.

>>54271001
>Russ beat Magnus!
>even though Magnus wasn't even fighting back

Russ couldn't beat shit, he was just an annoying faggot

>>54271001
>Iskandor Khayon
Trying too hard mate.

>>54271060
Magnus was trying to kill Russ for real. He was punching his fist through his chest aiming for his heart. Stop throwing memes at me.
>>54271091
>Named King Breaker for defeating The Crimson King

>>54271174
>Named King Breaker for defeating The Crimson King
For making a shard of Magnus kneel. Now please describe any other detail as to how he did this? Oh wait you cant.
Claiming he beat him is asinine.

>>54271001
>Russ
Got his ass kicked by a heartbroken, distracted Magnus, needed outside interference.
>Iskandor Khayon
Is there any explanation given as to HOW he did it? Because that's pure retardation.
>Bjorn
And a literal army, most of which died.
>Logan with the Khornate axe + Grey Knights
An entire army of daemonhunters+ orbital bombardment+ mary sue powers and still they suffered impossibly heavy losses.
Doesn't look bad to me.

>>54271317
Shard or not, It's still Magnus. And details will come in time as the series progresses. Khayon promises that he will go over everything. Fact remains that he beat Magnus which made him famous in the Eye of Terror.

>>54256947

The leg armour is so big and his legs so far apart that he wouldn't be able to walk right. He'd have to waddle.

>>54271344
>An entire army of daemonhunters+ orbital bombardment+ mary sue powers and still they suffered impossibly heavy losses.

The Blue Scribes spell made Magnus immune to all Imperial weaponry so before the axe fell nothing harmed him.

When the axe removed the warding spell, Magnus was banished within minutes.

>>54271365
>Shard or not, It's still Magnus.
Lol. Just stop you look retarded.

>Fact remains that he beat Magnus
No it doesnt I just proved that. Do you have any evidence that Khayon forced Magnus to kneel in any sort of confrontation?

>>54245045
>What went wrong?
Much like with final fantasy, there shouldn't have been more than 13...

>>54271405
>When the axe removed the warding spell
Khorne removed it.

>>54271432
>Lol. Just stop you look retarded.

No, I won't stop. If he beat a shard and got named Kingbreaker then it must have been the shard ruling over the planet at the time which was the most powerful one. The Vengeful Shard.

>Do you have any evidence that Khayon forced Magnus to kneel in any sort of confrontation?

The novel. Do you have any proof that he didn't?

It's not like it didn't before. The Venegful Shard was defeated in the "Crimson King" novel by Imperials and sealed.

>>54271461
The axe and power within were slaves of the Space Wolves

>>54271498
>If he beat a shard
He just keeps repeating it the absolute retard.

>The novel.
False.

>>54271558
Because its true.

>False.

Nah. The novel names him King Breaker and Khayon the Black for bringing Magnus to his knees.

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>>54271514
>Khorne literally laughs as the shield breaks
>Wolf-fags still think they did it
Awkward.

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>>54271598
How can you be such a colossal fucking retard? Seriously how? Yell for you Mom and ask her to loosen your helmet because your brain clearly isnt getting bloodflow.

>>54271637
Khorne was laughing at a sorceror being beat by a shard of his power. But the shard is still enslaved which one of the reason why Khorne considers Logan his more hated mortal enemy and desires his skull above all overs.

>>54271598
>The Thousand Sons know me as Khayon the Black, for my sins against our bloodline. My Warmaster’s forces name me Kingbreaker – the mage who brought Magnus the Red to his knees.

>>54271659
see

>>54271673

And we don't know when exactly Magnus was sharded again. So why claim it was a shard? Khayon would have known if it was a shard since the Thousand Sons were running around collecting them.

>>54271699
>see
it says exactly what I stated. You have no evidence for you claim that he beat Magnus. Taht is the only sentence that mentions the event and it makes no claim as to how he did it.
And yes at that point in time he was a shard.

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>it's just a shard
>It doesn't count!

Magnusfags are pathetic.

>>54271673
Oh Carnac arrived. And I'm out.

>>54271738
It's sentence that proves that he beat him. It doesn't matter how he beat him as I am just saying the names of those who defeated Magnus regardless of their methods.

Khayon is at Ahriman's level and Ahriman is powerful enough to contend with heavy-weight daemon princes.

>And yes at that point in time he was a shard.

I hope you got something to back it up.

>>54271805
>Khayon is at Ahriman's level and Ahriman is powerful enough to contend with heavy-weight daemon princes.
Do you know what a Primarch is? Do you realize how retarded even the implication that an Astartes could beat any Primarch, especially his own, is?

>>54271878
Draigo did it. With ONE PUNCH.

Khayon is not lesser than Draigo. In fact, Khayon is a daemon handling expert who uses daemons like like stands

>>54271943
>Draigo did it.
Draigo is possibly the worst writing in 40k outside of ADB.
Not a good example is what i'm saying.
>Khayon is a daemon handling expert
Khayon is insurmountably inferior to Magnus in every single way. And that's before accounting that he's literally Magnus' son and that Magnus should be able to exploit the fact that Khayon has his warp-blessed blood running through his veins better then anyone else. Not that he'd need to, of course. It's a retarded statement, kind of like when Spider-man said that Sentry once stalemated Galactus. A retarded one-off statement that can't possibly be true and has no merit.

>>54272053
>Khayon is insurmountably inferior to Magnus in every single way.

So was Ahriman to Be'lakor. Didn't stop the former from outsmarting the latter and beating him at his own game.

>>54272053
You can stop replying to Carnac now. He's just a troll and you will get no enjoyment from the argument.

>>54272114
Why should I? You are not the boss of me.

>>54272093
>>54272114

Just look for the word Be'lakor. It's 9 times outta 10 going to be a Carnpost.

>>54271344
>mary sue powers

More like their heavy losses were CAUSED by the opposition's Mary Sue powers.

>>54272147
>Why should I?
Because you shouldnt feed trolls.

>>54272114
I'm the guy you replied to. This fucking asshole >>54272147
impersonating me, the nerve.

>>54272238
What's the other 1? Drach'nyen?

>>54272257
I see no trolls except the guys that want to shut down discussion for some reason.

>>54272295
How rude of you to try to poison the well like that.

>>54272344
>LELXD MOMMY IM TROLLING
Kill yourself.

>>54272365
But I want live.

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>>54272405
You got me.

>>54267201
>They choose who is and isn't MIA, after all.
When they decided on what had happened to the Primarchs originally, there was 0 intent to bring them back. It was a different team, who were frankly better at their jobs.

>>54245045
Anyone who has a name that can be nicknamed as "Shabba-Dabba-Dong", "Shabba-Dabba-Ding-Dong", "Shubba-Bubba-Big-Dong", "Shabba-Dabba-Doo", "Skubbadong", and others was effectively doomed to fail.

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>>54247476

>>54266166
May I have the source on this pls?

>>54245045
The ponytail. I know they needed a way to make him visually distinct from Horus but it was a massive mistake.

>>54270426
>but he got stunned for like a second
He was completely at Kor Phaeron's mercy. The only reason he's alive is because KP is a massive memester who tried to convert Rob instead of executing him.

Angron was doing most of the fighting on Nuceria and was wrecking Roboute pretty hard. Lorgar was mostly just chilling out and doing rituals.

>>54269245
>Bobby is also a pretty good fighter

No, he's shit at fighting. His big asset is strategic planning and administration. He's a turbo-nerd on par with Magnus or Lion, but with a quarter of their martial skill.

>>54277140
>No, he's shit at fighting

Guilliman is a better fighter than the average Primarch. Only combat specialists or abnormally powerful Primarchs can beat him. He is not Lorgar.

>>54260694
i wonder if he has to light that head on fire every time.

>>54277447
He's lost every Primarch duel he ever fought (the Alpharius one doesn't count because it's unconfirmed) so you can't know that he's above average.

>>54266888
What is the year of the 8th edition setting?

>>54277898
>he lost every fight except the one he won because I won't count it
>and every fight was against Primarchs that didn't suck at fighting

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>>54278162
In fairness, Dorn already killed Alpharius.

>>54277140
Aren't Rob's gear and stats in 30k good enough to stand up to most of the primarchs who have been statted thus far?

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>>54245045

Fixed haha!

>>54278162
Alpharius was already canonically dead at that point. The Alpha legion's whole thing is pretending to be Alpharius so there's no evidence it was actually Omegon. In all likelihood he beat up a surgically embiggened marine. Big whoop.

>>54277447
What even is the average primary fighfer? Khan on foot or something? Always seems pointless to get into power level fights with primarchs since they're so inconsistent and almost never straight up fights

>>54279622

The answer is literally Guilliman. Everyone is either worse than him or better than him. The claw Primarchs also come to mind as they're never shown as powerful as people like Angron Fulgrim Manus or Vulkan.

Weak: Lorgar, Alpharius
Average: Guilliman, Curze, Corax, Dorn, Perturabo
Strong: Vulkan, Manus, Russ
Lol holy shit nigga what are you doing: Lion, Sanguinius, Fulgrim, Angron, Magnus, Sigismund
Unknown, but seems to have some big balls: Khan

>>54256947
>this silly doodle I made is still being posted
feels amusing man.

>>54279787
Here's the (You) you're so obviously fishing for.

>>54279930
Thank you for your patronage, you can have one as well.

Don't spend it all in one place!

>>54279972

Top kek response

>>54279692
Actually pretty fair, though I might rate magnus as just strong, power wise he is ridiculous but he's also either too arrogant or sulking it seems like.

Curze and corax seem like hard ones to place because they're both very situational/mobility fighters, lorgar is another hard one at least once he taps into his psyhic potential but he also seems to fall into the same pit as magnus, but always gets too preachy/arrogant

>>54278128
That's a tricky question.

The simple answer is 112.M42. The events of the Gathering Storm were in the last year of the 41st millenium and the Indomitus crusade has lasted 112 years. Therefore, 112.M42.

But! In Dark Imperium we get this passage

>During the Great Crusade and the Heresy, the standard dating system had provided some idea of the order of events over time, but like everything else the Emperor had created, the calendar had become degraded by both dogmatic adherence and thoughtless revisionism. Various rival dating systems had evolved from the Imperial Standard, making a true chronicle of the galaxy almost impossible to construct. By the five main factional variants, Guilliman calculated the current year to be anywhere between early M41 and a millennium later, and that was leaving out the numerous lesser, more heretical interpretations.

Which suggests we may get a reordering of the calender from Big Bobby G. It wouldn't surprise me if GW redates things to make the current date fall into the 41st millennium to keep the branding in-line with the in-universe date.

>>54279692

So Sigismund can beat at least half of the primarchs in a fight?

>>54280448

"He is less my brother Dorn's champion, and more Death's himself." - Sanguinius

>>54277140
>magnus
>martial skill
u wot

magnus has no martial skill, it's all about the magic

>>54280700
Is it useful to ask the question "How would Magnus do in a fight if he didn't use magic?", though.

Also, all the Primarch are warp-touched. Curze is precognitive. The Lion has a sixth sense for danger. All of the Primarchs are stronger, faster and tougher than something of their size and shape made purely of flesh could be.

How do you smoothly divide "martial skill" from "magic" in the case of such beings?

>>54280769

That's like saying how would the duelist Primarchs do in a fight without a sword or how Angron would do in a fight without any weapons.

>>54245045
He aimed to extend the Eye of Terror to Terra. BS 2+, he rolled a one to hit and then used a re-roll and rolled a one again.

Now the Blood Angels and Attilan rough riders have to spend the entire edition on the wrong side of a galaxy wide warp rift.

>>54280782
>how Angron would do in a fight without any weapons

Pretty good considering MURDER MURDER MURDER is ALL Angron do

Better question is how would Angron do in a spelling B. Without any weapons. And the Judge is on a ship in orbit

>>54280436
>Bring the setting back to m.40-41 by having a new calender
Not usually a fan of retcon, but i like this. Call it the Roboutian Calander.

>>54278934

>"In fairness, Dorn already killed Alpharius."

ALLEGEDLY. Allegedly, Alpharius has been killed multiple times. Obviously this can't be true. At the very least, all of his reported deaths are false.

It's hard to prove someone is actually dead when you've killed the same man ten times.

>>54280769
>Is it useful to ask the question "How would Magnus do in a fight if he didn't use magic?", though.
absolutely, because things that block or nullify psychic powers exist

>>54280817
>Better question is how would Angron do in a spelling B. Without any weapons.

Pfft, all he'd have to do is-

>And the Judge is on a ship in orbit

You've thought this through, haven't you.

>>54281027
There are no blanks on Prospero.

>>54280819

ward please no it was a joke

With the rate he's going Terra's going to get eaten by Tyranids by the time he gets there

>>54281027
In gathering storm he still wrecks Guilliman and the sisters of silence with martial skill even though his powers get nullified. It just made the fight closer so Guilliman could actually stand a chance and not get evaporated with warp fuckery

>>54271805
>I hope you got something to back it up
I don't know if he was a shard but he definitely wasn't at full strength, what with at least 4 large shards missing at the time.

>>54281014
Literally confirmed by BL my man.

>inb4 it's all a roose

I took a break from following 40k lore at about mid 7th ed, where do i go to catch up in full?

>>54276936
>2017
>still can't reverse image search

>>54274202
>there was 0 intent to bring them back
I see. That explains why they made sure to leave the final fates of almost all of the primarchs a mystery.

>>54281014
Alpharius is definitely 100% dead. Omegon felt him die, and Dorn cut his head off. Omegon is still alive, so it's up in the air whether the Ultramarines killed him at that battle they have no records of.

I'm fairly behind on HH lore. Was Omegon the closet loyalist or the closet traitor?

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>>54281151
>inb4 it's all an elaborate ruse

it all being an elaborate ruse is exactly the point

>>54281373
BL literally confirmed he died because they knew that everyone was expecting a ruse.

When you think about it, the ruse is that there was no ruse.

>>54281371
Closely loyalist. Was foreshadowed to be the founder of the GK but BL shat up a decade of subtle hints Cuz why not?

>>54280669
No mortal, not even the best space marine swordman could ever hope to defeat a primarch

>>54281393
Siggy could. This was a guy who rekt two dozen traitor champions in a day during the siege. He was the most skilled marine

>>54246240
>The Gates is broken and Crimson Path surge.

I love how the Crimson Path goal was to get to Terra but failbaddon missed the target by an entire galaxy and actually hit the Tau empire.

>>54281389

when was even hinted any relation with the GK?

The only thing hinted in the HH books about the GK is Sevatar being one of the founders and the Thousand Son that travels with the White Scars becoming the first Grand Master

>>54281592

TAU EMPIRE IS STILL AND EMPIRE OK???

LEAVE ABBY ALONE

>>54281642
Serpent Beneath nigga.

Omegon talks about betraying his brother while staring at grey power armour + has the primarch gene seed which he didn't hand over to Horus, as well as Janus having two faces are all big hints.

>sevatar being one of the founders

Stop it with this shitty theory

>arvida becoming first grand master

Unlike Omegon, no hints at all, just a short story where they ruin the entire thing (durr ebin shard)

Let's not even mention he was supposed to be the blood raven founder before they cocked that up as well

>>54281592
Did you not read how the Crimson Path works or are you pretending to be retarded? The Eye of Terror and Warpstorm go to where there is bloodshed and where bloodshed has been done. The Crimson Path expanded towards areas that had major conflict and the Damocles Gulf had a recent slaughterfest between the Tau and Imperium that's why the Crimson Path got connected to that region.

Abaddon's plan is to create as much bloodshed and carnage with his Black Crusade in order for the Crimson Path to expand towards Terra in the wake of his crusade.

>>54281674
Problem is, everyone forgets Abby is on a tight schedule.

Every day is another batch of primaris marines cooked up, another tomb world awakening, another tyranid tendril breaching our galaxy

>>54281674
Sounds like a pretty retarded plan desu.
>"Hurr, after Cadia falls, I will steer the galactic creampie towards Terra and be unstoppable!"
>"Oh no, it missed the target by half a galaxy...I mean, HAHA, that's what I always wanted! Now I can go through even more battles and waste my men, I'M SUCH A GENIUS!"
>"W-what? Guiliman has some new Chadmarines and reconquers whatever I conquer/destroy? Uhm...just as planned! More war, more bloodshed! This will totally work you guys!"

>>54281674
>Abaddon's plan is to create as much bloodshed and carnage with his Black Crusade in order for the Crimson Path to expand towards Terra in the wake of his crusade

Maybe he could start by not moving towards the opposite end of the galaxy.

At this rate once he will finally manage to get to terra the entire galaxy would be a single warpstorm. And good luck governing your own chaos Imperium in that situation.

Or has the fact that Abbadon don't want a "no time, no space, only chaos" ending and just want to rule the Imperium retconned?

>>54280700
Like the time he punched out one of Russ' hearts?

>>54281708
>>54281711
Is there a bigger scam artist than Abby?
>spent 10000 years trying to take Cadia, assuring everyone once that happens the Imperium's doomed
>finally blow it up thanks to pure luck and gravity
>nothing changes for a century
>actually guys, what we need to do is go hit the Tau

>>54281804
>>finally blow it up thanks to pure luck and gravity

It was a calculated move, jackass.

>>nothing changes for a century

The galaxy was split in half and the Great Rift in ever expanding putting the galaxy on a death timer.

And We don't know exactly happened to the 13th Black Crusade. It's a big plothole that GW will fill out in later. If I hazard to guess it has to do with the plothooks dropped eariler. Cawl's Imperial Pylons and the Old One Daemon Cage tech from "Traitor's Hate/Angel's Blade".

>>54281864
>It was a calculated move, jackass
Yeah, just like wasting 10,000 years was just a calculated move. Real good calculator that despoiler.

>The galaxy was split in half and the Great Rift in ever expanding putting the galaxy on a death timer
And all the while the tyranid main fleet is slowly pushing its way onward.

Can't wait for galaxy-wide shadowbrink.

>>54281864
Yes, I'm sure Abaddon planned this 10,000 years in advance. You know, an Overlord popping up and helping Cawl to overload the Pylons, so all his daemon friends go away, so he can be stabbed in the back by Celestine and has to resort to teleporting away and cracking the planet in his anger. Truly, a tactical genius.

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Quick question if I may.


How did big G make it to Baal in time to reinforce the ground fighting, or at all?

Baal, as far as I'm aware is on the very Fucked sided of the rift correct?

How did he get there, or anyone on that side get anywhere when they can't see the Astronomicon?

I'm honestly dead curious about what is going on fluffwise but haven't found jack yet.

Is it that thing he used during the Horus Heresy for his private empire?

Even then, since there is only two known stable routes to cross, in the galatic north and south. How again, did he get there in time to help in the ground battle that was racing BEFORE the rift apeared?

My sense of time is getting royally fucked with this edition.

>>54281918
It's called "Knowing where the plot needs him to be, so GW doesn't have to squat the Blood Angels", and is a very special superpower of his.

>>54281918
The Pharos was overloaded during the heresy, then eaten by nids in 40k.

If I were to guess I'd say elder fuckery

>>54281897
>You know, an Overlord popping up and helping Cawl to overload the Pylons,

Trazyn and Cawl did not overload the pylons, jackass. You should read Fall of Cadia rather than going to 1dchan. Seriously, what a dumbass.

>Truly, a tactical genius.

Overcame every asspull in the book and won. So yes. He is indeed.

>>54281896
>Yeah, just like wasting 10,000 years was just a calculated move. Real good calculator that despoiler.

Wasted on what? I hope you have lore to back this up.

>Can't wait for galaxy-wide shadowbrink.

Or a galaxy wide Siege of Baal where the Tyranids were an entire fleet was dragged into the Warp.

I mean for fuck's sake, the daemons have more victories on the Tyranids than the other way around.

>>54281918
>How did big G make it to Baal in time to reinforce the ground fighting, or at all?

Warp travel?

>Baal, as far as I'm aware is on the very Fucked sided of the rift correct?

How is possible for you to be this illiterate? The lore says that the Great Rift exploded into being above the Baal system. When the stars cleared out, the Tyranid fleet fleet was gone and Girlyman's fleet appeared.

>How did he get there, or anyone on that side get anywhere when they can't see the Astronomicon?

Answered by the above.

>Is it that thing he used during the Horus Heresy for his private empire?

No, its double gone and far away from Baal.

>>54245051
>got stabbed through the spine by a little girl in power armour.
>lost huge portions of his army on a pointless pissing match over a planet he didn't even end up getting
>in losing the planet he wasted so much manpower and effort getting he lost his springboard and foothold into realspace
>lost access to half the galaxy, even if he does get out of the cadian gate, which is not certain by any means

Failbaddon the Disappointer will never win, he's too shit of a character and doesn't inspire the awe that even Huron Blackheart does.

>>54281952
Wasted on trying to conquer Cadia when the true enemy has been slowly eating its way towards him.

>Siege of Baal where the Tyranids were an entire fleet was dragged into the Warp
Leviathan was the smallest of scouting fleets, we'll see when the main fleet arrives... and perhaps even that chasing them.

>the daemons have more victories on the Tyranids than the other way around.
Kek.

You've got Baal and?

Meanwhile Nids got
>shadowbrink
>forgefane
>octarius(inb4 you start whining about how it was a draw so to appease you I'll agree it was a draw)

Also
>abaddon is a genius

Lmao.

He doesn't give a shit about chaos and just wants to be emperor. How does he think the word bearers, death guards,'works eaters, thousand sons, emperor's children and assorted daemons will take this?

>>54281990
>>got stabbed through the spine by a little girl in power armour.

She is the greatest of the Battle Sisters and an avatar of the Emperor. All she did was land a flesh wound on him (Black Carapace, bitch).

Even as they were fighting with her full power, it's said that Celestine was no match for Abaddon which goes to show how much of a weakling the Emperor is if he cannot empower his chosen to defeat a mere marine.

>>lost huge portions of his army on a pointless pissing match over a planet he didn't even end up getting

Abaddon armies dwarf anything Horus ever commanded. Those losses are nothing and his aim wasn't getting the planet. It was blowing it up.

>>in losing the planet he wasted so much manpower and effort getting he lost his springboard and foothold into realspace

The fuck are you on about, dumbass? You are a fucking a decade outdated. Cadia pylons just needed to be destroyed. That's it. The planet is worthless beyond that. Abaddon's base of operation aka the Eye of Terror expanded to split the galaxy in half.

>>lost access to half the galaxy, even if he does get out of the cadian gate, which is not certain by any means

What a moron. I what the fuck? Didn't you guys read Fall of Cadia.

Not only do the traitors can navigate Warpstorms with no issue but Abaddon Black Crusade was said to be crossing the galaxy forwards. What's wrong with you?

>>54282037
>>54281952
>>54281864
Hey Carnac.

Rocks

>>54281990
>doesn't inspire the awe that even Huron Blackheart does.

Also Huron is now a lacky of Abaddon.

>>54282017
>Wasted on trying to conquer Cadia

Nope, the planet was destroyed and his losses were offset by the fuckton of daemons that besieged every single planet in the Imperium.

>Leviathan was the smallest of scouting fleets, we'll see when the main fleet arrives... and perhaps even that chasing them.

Wow look at the headcanon. I hope you have a source for that.

>You've got Baal and?

Baal is one.
3 cases of Tyranids being defeated in the daemonkin codex.
In Coven codex had daemons tearing apart a Tyranid tendril.
The Blood Crusade said to have obliterated hive fleets

>He doesn't give a shit about chaos and just wants to be emperor. How does he think the word bearers, death guards,'works eaters, thousand sons, emperor's children and assorted daemons will take this?

Once he is the Dark Emperor, they wouldn't have a choice but accept him or die.

>the true enemy has been slowly eating its way towards him.

Tyranids a shit. They aren't even the greatest threat.

>>54282071
Rocks beat Cadia, yes.

>>54282083
Also the Iron Warriors dispelling and kidnapping a hiveship to the Eye of Terror to be converted to a titan carrier.

That's 1 2 3...6 cases (if we count the Blood Crusade destroying multiple hive fleets as one).

>>54282083
>Wow look at the headcanon. I hope you have a source for that
Source that leviathan was the full fleet carnie old retard?

>Once he is the Dark Emperor, they wouldn't have a choice but accept him or die.

Hahahahahahahah. Hahahahahahaha.

Whooooooo.

Hahahahahaha.

Are you by any chance a manlet? Because that just adds to the image I have of you

>>54282094
Also a certain daemon prince, as we both recall from the fantasy general

>>54282109
>Source that leviathan was the full fleet carnie old retard?

I never claimed it was, dumbass. You said it was the smallest of the scouting fleets and that something is chasing the nids. Please provide a source.

And you can laugh all you want but the Chaos Gods are said to have envisioned a great destiny for Abaddon. And you should read ADB's writing about what will happen if Abaddon became Emperor.

>>54282118
Portals.

>>54248306
To be fair, it reaches beyond this corner of the internet into the real world. They made a joke about it in Fall of Cadia for Sanginius' sake.

>>54282160
What page.

>>54282141
Smallest was maybe hyperbole, but it certainly was a scouting fleet, as mentioned in every nid codex.

Something chasing the nids is just a theory, which is why I wrote perhaps. Check out 3rd end (I think it was)

> envisioned a great destiny for Abaddon

And indeed, serving as Slaneesh's cockholster or Nurgle's labrat is a great destiny, from a certain perspective...

Really strange that I understand Chaos better than the ultimate Chaosfag

>>54282149
Can't hear you over boulders getting dropped

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>>54281972
>How is possible for you to be this illiterate? The lore says that the Great Rift exploded into being above the Baal system. When the stars cleared out, the Tyranid fleet fleet was gone and Girlyman's fleet appeared.


Newsflash wiseguy.

Baal is very much on the fucked side of things regardless of the local warpstorms clearing.

I'd also like to know how the hell people find their way around all the way up there, and how Girly did it.

>>54264441
That something was Ghazghul before he teleported to Octaria to eat Demons, Tyranids and Eldar, if memory serves.

>>54282205
Based Ghazgy.

>>54282181
>Smallest was maybe hyperbole, but it certainly was a scouting fleet, as mentioned in every nid codex.

It's not the smallest anything. It was the LARGEST hive fleet yet in the galxy. Larger than Hydra that's now the face of the Tyranid faction. We all know all fleets in the galaxy are the vanguard. So you are not special for telling us.

Really strange that I understand Tyranids better than the ultimate faggot

>And indeed..

Like Archaon in fantasy who grew so powerful that he became above the wrath of Chaos Gods.

>Can't hear you over boulders getting dropped

Portals. Cannot. into.

>>54282186
As the fighting happened in Baal, the Great Rift exploded above the Baal System. When the darkness receded, the hive fleet besieging Baal was gone and was replaced by Girlyman's fleet. It's implication that the great rift took the Tyranids and trew up Girlyman.

If you want what really happened, then wait for Guy Haley's "Devastation of Baal" that should coming out in November or December.

>>54282229
See, what I realize is you aren't a Chaosfag, you're a marysuefag. You don't understand the dark humor of chaos, or the ridiculous grimdarkness you just want your chosen avatar to win so you can feel good (maybe bullying issues?)

Anyway, done arguing with you Carnie. Keep on shitting yourself though, maybe that will make those big bad bullie- I mean lizardmen go away ;^)

>>54282268
If I am a Mary Sue lover I wouldn't like Illic Nightspear or Be'lakor since they tend to fail a lot. So no.

And I am more of a fluff curator. Here to catch bullshit like "LEVIATHAN IS THE SMALLEST SCOUTING FLEET DUURR" and then there as spmething about it being the whole fleet or something. You have issues man.

>>54281667

>shitty theory

You can call it shitty but its a pretty obvious reference to Sevatar. Will they finally do it? i don't know but man... it's crystal clear.

Omegon talking to a grey armor doesn't really mean anything since the Alpha legion usually paints his armor as others to do their things.

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>>54276361
YOU RANG?

>>54281667

Arvida is taken by Malcador for a "muh secret organization" and turned into a crazy powerfull psyker who likes to be called Janius.

Like nigga wtf are you talking about Omegon when they basically told you who Janus is?

>>54276517
Consider yourself an honorary hero of the Imperium.

>>54282341
>Will they finally do it? i don't know but man... it's crystal clear
>pretty obvious reference
>Omegon talking to a grey armor doesn't really mean anything
How can anyone be this cognitively dissonant? I laid out how they set up omegon to be Janus, literally the only thing you have for Sevatar is the chainglaive, as if he is the only guy in the universe with one.

>Like nigga wtf are you talking about Omegon when they basically told you who Janus is

I am well aware of that you idiot, but Arvida being Janus is only half a year old and was done out of the blue, but Omegon being involved with the grey knights has been foreshadowed since 2011

>>54260753
That shit drives me crazy

It's so Fucking stupid, EVERYTIME an artist draws Iron Warriors, they draw them decked out in skulls spikes and sigils when in reality, they use Chaos as a tool rather than going full Word Bearers, and are more cold edged steel and evil looking, not LMAO CARVED SIGNS AND SKULLS

>>54279692
Isn't Ferrus Manus canonically the strongest Primarch physically? I mean he doesn't have the regenerative powers of Leman Russ (or Vulkan for that matter), but it did take Fulgrim to macmurder him.

Also, you missed Horus.

>>54280817
Throw a titan at him?

>>54282553
Didn't Vulkan literally get decapitated and still live?

>>54281406
I would respectfully add Lucius and Kharn to that list. Assuming we're talking about a jobber like Lorgar, Alphaius or Gulliman.

>>54282497


But Omegon is in no way related to the Grey Knights. You only have him talking to grey armor as if that meant anything.

Jesus christ don't you see how far are you reaching?

>>54281804
But can you really argue with the elegance of "Actually guys, what we need to do is hit the Tau"? It's his first rational idea all franchise.

>>54282614
>talking to grey armor
>in possession of emperor's geneseed, which he didn't share with anyone else
>Janus being the god with two faces
>mortarion cursing Janus as a brother who turned on his own for the sake of redemption

All of this would have made much more sense than what actually happened

>>54282573
That's why I had him there. I keep forgetting that happened (what with Perpetuals being a relatively new thing.)

>>54281667
>>54282369
I like how ADB's butthurt caused them to veer away from Blood Ravens-Thousand Sons reveal and instead do a Shard-of-Magnus-founded-the-Grey-Knights reveal. Talk about cutting off the nose to spite the face.

>>54282645
Wow, that sounds like years of foreshadowing and effort gone to shit. Welp, at least they were able to ensure that no one would think Arvida founded the Blood Ravens.

>>54283179
>>54283203
It's a sign of now far BL has degenerated.

Shit on Abnett how much you like but the man was a genius in these things
>alphard is the brightest star in the constellation of Hydra
>called the solitary one
>suspected to have a smaller, hidden twin sun

Compare this to
>lol magnus got rekt so hard his soul split into shards then this shard got fused into a mutating legionary and formed grey knights foumder

>>54283342

Why would any sane guy shit on Abnett?

It's the only one you can call "writter".

>>54284188
>Why would any sane guy shit on Abnett?
He's caught some flak for Unremembered Empire and being the first guy to use Perpetuals in the HH novel series. Not sure if those plot points were his ideas or just him following GW's orders, though.

>>54284433
If it doesn't have to do with models GW isn't interested.

UE was special because he had to wrap up a dozen plot points from 5 different authors

>>54246240
>daemon primarchs have been impotently dicking around for 10,000 years with zero results
>ONE (1) Loyal Primarch comes back and immediately starts to reforge the Imperium in 100 years

>>54264244
>there is a whole half of the Galaxy beyond Bobby G's reach; the Imperium Nihilus
Except the Baal is supposed to be over there, and the Indomitus Crusade reaches Baal by the very end of the Tyrannid invasion.
Imperium Nihilus got undone in the very rulebook it got introduced in.

>>54281406
I hope he dies like a bitch to abbadon in the first crusade

>>54284717
Damn daemon politics

>>54245045
>that tiny left arm

If you're going to go full hulk with your proportions, at least go all out. The tiny head I can accept, but that little arm attached to that huge torso.

Why do people think this looks good?

>>54256947
>#1

Oh fuck now Abbadon sounds like King Candy in my head.

>>54281406

Its going to be sad when he dies in the next ADB book to failbaddon.

Anyways, who are the best of the best at killing in the Legions?

I'd say Siggiddiggy, Kharn and Sevatar. Also Lucius without bullshit demon powers.

>>54285455
>lucius
>good at killing legionnaires
Pick one
Also nykona sharrowkin

>>54285455
Why does ADB fellate Chaos so hard anyway?

>>54285487
>nykona sharrowkin

muh nigga

>>54276936
Kyonyuu Fantasy

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>>54285455
>who are the best of the best at killing in the Legions?
If you include teamkilling it has to be Ahriman.

>>54259660
Abaddon is fucked. They're bringing back Primarchs which means Abaddon is going to be shoved to the side.