40K is shit Fantasy is shit Age of sigmar is shit

>>54233613
I like 40k
Fantasy was ok
I like AoS

Cool thread, bro.

>>54233613
40k has some nice background and miniatures, but has also lots of faulty things in both regards and the rules have always been a messy, unbalanced clusterfuck. Also, mostly cancerous community.

Fantasy had some nice background and miniatures, although its latest years of releases have been shit, and the rules have always been a messy, unbalanced clusterfuck. Also, mostly cancerous community.

Age of Sigmar has some nice miniatures, others that are utter shit, the laziest and shallowest background of the three, and a joke of a ruleset. Community is less cancerous than the previous two as long as you don't criticize their precious rules/minis, otherwise they go apeshit with their 'salty grognard' meme.

>>54233613

Go on...

>>54233613
Oh shit, guys. We got a dude giving his opinions here. I hope none of you disagree with them because you just got told by opinions.

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>>54233613

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>>54233613

>What's this game?

>Why shouldn't I buy a book before I know what this game is to see if I want to spend more money on it before ever even playing it?


>Why shouldn't I try this game? They said I can use their army.

>Why shouldn't I play this game for real?

>Why shouldn't I go for a battle forged army?

>Why shouldn't I dive head first into a theme i'm not very excited about?


>Why shouldn't I just trust that the player experience won't be "just like magic or any other competitive game" only half or less the time actually spent in game.

>Why shouldnt I have to buy several boxes just to have a small force?

>Why shouldn't I expect to enjoy this game that seems to be rarely played and requires a large area?

>Why shouldn't I expect to find a play group that isn't toxic?

>Why shouldn't I buy paint to paint the toys that I bought?

>Why shouldn't I spend this month's rent to keep up with others? It's only another army.


>Why shouldn't I buy terrain to play my toys on?

>Why shouldn't I buy other products to have terrain and extras that the playgroup won't complain about?

>Why shouldn't I cordon off a room of the house as 'the warhammer room' to display my investment?


>Why shouldn't I just buy it all and become the emperor?


Warhammer is my life now.

>>54233613
>40k is shit
Fair enough, but there isn't another sci-fi wargame that:
>people actually play
>has good models
>isn't weebshit
So for now I'm stuck with it.

>>54234504
To be fair this is true for most games and sports.

>>54234566
>people actually play
>the reason 75% of people play it

Wouldn't it be nice if people just played whatever the fuck they wanted, shared the games with friends, and didn't worry so much about min-maxing bullshit?

>>54234566
>sci-fi
It's magic in space lad

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>>54234566
>>40k
>>isn't weebshit
kek
Also, how exactly picrelated is weebshit?

Why don't people bother to play other games? Because buying into these is expensive as shit. Plain and simply.

>>54234663
If only, anon. If only.

>>54234677
40k in general isn't weebshit. The Eldar and Tau have anime influences but it's relatively subdued and even then it's only a subset of two factions.

>how is anime: the game weebshit
Even Ariadna has a bunch of special forces soldiers in sexy poses with their tits out.

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>>54234795
>The Eldar and Tau have anime influences but it's relatively subdued and even then it's only a subset of two factions.
>only a subset of two factions.
Sure.
>Even Ariadna has a bunch of special forces soldiers in sexy poses with their tits out.
So they are weebshit, just because CB can into attractive models?

>>54233613
agreed

>>54234882
>Sure.
Yeah you can find some things here or there but it's the exception rather than the rule. The Dreadknight has a unique reputation as being a horribly designed model.

>So they are weebshit, just because CB can into attractive models?
They're weebshit because they're explicitly influenced by an anime. It's in the tagline description of the game. Ariadna is the only faction that isn't hardcore manga but even it has weirdly sexualized models that are supposed to be grizzled operators.

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>>54234795
>butts and tits means anime now
Fucking numales

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>>54235072
>The Dreadknight has a unique reputation as being a horribly designed model.
>implying other Imperial walkers doesn't look like weebshit, especially big one.
>They're weebshit because they're explicitly influenced by an anime.
Here we go.

>>54235109
Which anime is that pic from?

>>54235082
Please tell me of another genre where the at issue poses and attire are common place.

>>54235119
Idk, looks like average sci-fi

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>>54235152
>Please tell me of another genre where the at issue poses and attire are common place.
I\ve already posted it
Also, fantasy

>>54234882
Are you implying that the Dreadknight is anime influenced?

>>54235199
>giant robot with the sword
>not anime

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Don't mind me, "anime" models coming through.

>>54235109
Listen. I just don't like anime aesthetics. I'm fine with it in small amounts but I don't want the whole setting to revolve around it. That's just my preference. If you're going to act like Infinity isn't turbo-anime then this conversation is over because you're just being willfully ignorant.

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>>54235243
I don't think you've looked at infinity in a while anon, while I do agree CB used to be full anime memes with lewd sculpts, they really have tried to change that in the past few years. Like look at these, do these have an anime aesthetic?

I fucking hate Infinity shills, when will they learn nobody wants to buy into their shit game.

You may think 40K, Fantasy and AoS are shit but at least they keep to themselves and don't proselytise.

>>54235213
So you are worst than the 98% of /a/

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>>54235272
>ReeEeEEEEEeeee anyone who talks about a game I DON'T LIKE is a SHILL

>>54235266
Govad is so 90s anime, it hurts

>>54235272
40k are literally the worst at that, posting they memes literally everywher there.
And I don't even play wargames but you guys are be far the most obnoxious bunch there, putting 40k like furrys of bronis do.

>>54235335
What? How?

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>>54235266
No, I've looked into Infinity plenty. There are some cool models but they get ruined in my opinion by all the sculpted boob armour, ridiculous hair, and stuck out butts on elite soldiers. I like the ones you posted but they're the exception rather than the rule.

>>54235308
No, infinity fags are horrible shills. They are so convinced that their clunky and bloated game is perfect that any criticism just boils down to fingers in ears or nay saying.

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>>54235359
You do realize that all those are old sculpts that are actually due for an update.

Except for the bikers, who are just lewd, but they aren't even "elite" soldiers, the biker troops are literally biker gangs..

But no

>all the sculpted boob armour, ridiculous hair, and stuck out butts on elite soldiers

This is the exception, not the other way around.
Go look at the catalogs.

And the boob plate thing, what is wrong with that? It's not like they are over sized or anything, it looks fine.

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>>54235375
I mean look at this thread, has anyone given an actual reason for why Infinity is bad besides the

>Anime aesthetic ruins it

Which is a meme, if you look at the newer models.

>>54235243
>Listen. I just don't like anime aesthetics.
>but I am fine with Titans and Knights
Top kek.
Nigger, your main characterization of anime was sexual attraction of models.
Also, infinity WAS turbo-anime in first edition, each new edition art-design moving closer to classical sci-fi

>>54235109
>imperial walkers
>weebshit design
I want to see that anime, got any source?

>>54235375
>their clunky and bloated game
>says GWshill

>>54235456
>>54235479
Most of the images you've posted as proof are still obviously anime inspired. Yeah, most of Ariadna are dressed like modern day soldiers (unless they're female) but that's their whole schtick. Infinity's anime aesthetic isn't a meme and it just doesn't appeal to me.

>>54235479
I mean I could go on, but I have stopped because the fanbase is full of shills and talking to a brick wall would suit me better

>>54235490
>big robots = anime
Titans and knights are clunky with gothic architecture. They aren't anime except by the broadest possible definition. Sexualization isn't my biggest criticism it's just one of the more quantifiable ones.

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>>54235546
Okay so is the meme now

>Wait it's sci-fi that isn't massive space marines
>Clearly it's anime

Like what is it with you guys? Are you so used to dark color schemes that the second models have a bit of color it's an anime style?

>>54235509
The whole point of 8th was to remove the clunkiness and the rules bloat. Pay attention.

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>>54235577
>I mean I could go on
Then do it anon, stop bitching out. If you really think Infinity is a bad game and have points to back it up, then present them already.

And not just
>Anime

>>54235605
And it's already coming back with the Codexes anon, it's going to be the same. Space marine players will already have to lug around 3 books once that comes out, if they don't play ultra smurfs.

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>>54235496
>got any source?
Macross

>>54235594
The game literally have a character named kusanagi, appleseed mechs with pilot arms sticking out, and cyborg ninjas cutting said mechs with katanas.

What kind of kool aid do infinity shills drink?

>>54235594
This is just going around in circles so this is the last post I'll make. Infinity is full of anime from cheesecake to giant spiky hair cute little robot buddies. Most of their designs are airlifted straight from a manga and the developers even use that as a selling point.

>>54235677
True, but not all infinity is like that. It's like saying all 40k it's from 2000ad comics, it's true it gets a lot from those, but also from anime (Tau for example).

>>54235605
>The whole point of 8th was to remove the clunkiness and the rules bloat.
Yeah and turn it into primitive shit, where bunch of conscripts can destroy Riptide and Predator cannot pass through group of grots.
Yes, Infinity rules might be overcomplicated, but unlike 5th, 6th and 7th editions of 40k it still works and provides you a lot of ways to win against OP-lists.
And yes, 8th edition looks pretty balanced now, but we'll see how it will look after few new codexes.

>>54235666
>The game literally have a character named kusanagi, appleseed mechs with pilot arms sticking out, and cyborg ninjas cutting said mechs with katanas.

And this is the exception not the norm anon, you're acting like these are the only three units in the entire game, when they are just 3 out of hundreds.

>>54235677

>Infinity is full of anime from cheesecake to giant spiky hair cute little robot buddies

Like I said to the other anon, that's not the whole game. That's like calling 40k an anime, just because Tau have mecha. Does that make any sense? Doesn't to me.

>Most of their designs are airlifted straight from a manga and the developers even use that as a selling point

Are you referring to Outrage? because that was made to go directly with infinity, and explore the lore a bit more. If you're referring to something else I would like to know.

>>54235677
>full of anime from cheesecake
Says the guys who endlessly shipping Yvraine-Guilliman

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Man I always love these Infinity argument threads, because the 40k fags literally never give any points about why they don't like the game based on mechanics, they just shout

>Anime!!

>>54235577
Then you get this guy with the classic
>I mean I could go on but

Just make actual points about why the game is bad, not some rant about a single lewd model.

>>54235623
Encapsulated rules that lead to other rules taking up space and being redundant.
Action economy system that requires both subdivision in lists to balance out and still leads to single model pacmanning.
Not rules per say, but models lack clarity on tabletop for identification due to generic anime look.
Overloaded on needs for tokens.
Need for two lists to be presented due to what the opponent can see being different.
Unlimited ARO actively discourage aggression and faster play.
Limited list building options due to necessity of specialists and certain equipment like visors.

>>54235814
I have done so for about a year. I've just given up because Infinity fags are just absolutely the worst shills I have ever seen. All arguments just boil down to "it's not, it's not, it's not"

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Well, guess everything what doesn't look cartoonish is anime for 40k fans

>>54235921
>All arguments just boil down to "it's not, it's not, it's not"
So just like any discussions in /40kg/

>>54235784
And this is relevant to infinity being shitty anime wannabe how?

>>54235951
Show me, how exactly Infinity cheesecake is anime and especially more anime than 40k.

>>54235922
You posted AVP.

I don't understand how it is relevant to 40k or infinity.

Do you have brain damage?

>>54235970
Just look at it. I mean, just look. It's not fucking difficult. I can't tell you why water is wet, it's what it actually is, can't really go more clearer than that.

>>54233613
Fantasy needs to be before it can be anything.

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>>54235872
>Encapsulated rules that lead to other rules taking up space and being redundant.
Give an example

>Action economy system that requires both subdivision in lists to balance out and still leads to single model pacmanning.
No this doesn't happen, those Rambos you see almost always get shut out, if you put all your focus into having 9 nerds for orders, and a single rambo, that rambo will just get murdered and you will loose. Go look at infinity general lists, no one who has played more than 3 games will try to run that, it doesn't work.
>Not rules per say, but models lack clarity on tabletop for identification due to generic anime look.
I don't have this issue, but I could understand confusing the grunts of an army as they usually look similar.
>Overloaded on needs for tokens.
Well what do you mean by this? If you're talking about order tokens, you can just use their app to track it, and who is dead/unconscious ext. And our group just uses bases for tokens like camo and such, only recently did someone decide to buy real tokens for that.
>Need for two lists to be presented due to what the opponent can see being different.
I don't get how this is a big deal? Unless you're going to a tournament people aren't going to hound you for a list, just tell them what stuff is when you deploy. And if you are going to a tournament, then you would be printing out the lists anyway. It adds a fun element to the game since you can never be 100% sure about what your opponent has or is hiding from you.
>Unlimited ARO actively discourages aggression and faster play.
No it just makes you take risks, line of ARO's? Use smoke so you can either assault them, or if you have the right equipment, shoot them threw the smoke and not even worry about it. Or flank around, combat drop, or even be an annoying ass T.O. Camo token and never get hit. Lots of ways around it, you just have to use the tactics available to you.

Cont.

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>>54236038
>>54235872
Cont.
>Limited list building options due to necessity of specialists and certain equipment like visors.
I don't know exactly what you are referring to here, do you mean list building is limited because in ITS mission you need specialists? Or choosing equipment is weird? Please clarify because I have no idea what you're talking about.

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>>54236013
>Just look at it. I mean, just look.
So no any arguments, only "I don't like anime"
>I can't tell you why water is wet,
Except we are talking about art-designs.
And by the way, look at this tactical marine>>54235922
Looks pretty simmilar with picrelated except of head

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>>54233613
Youre butthurt is delicious

>>54236038
Encapsulated rules for example would be things like morat which is just religious and something (I forget now, veteran 1 I think?)
There's no need for that shit.

On tokens, if you need to use an outside source to play the game then it's already not handling its playability well.

>unless going to tournament
And tourneys are where the standard of the game is set to. If it's obnoxious at tourney level then the game itself has obnoxious levels.

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>>54235971
He is talking about how anything that is Sci-fi and not a Space Marine is called Anime, because 40k fags are so used to this being the only form of Sci-fi war game they have ever seen, and so they don't realize other art styles of Sci-fi can and do exist, and aren't just all
>Anime

>>54236063
ITS of course. It's the standard for the game to be played at.

>>54236148
And you are gonna respond with generic videogame space armor?

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>>54235171
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>>54236196
>generic videogame space armor
Look who is talking

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>>54235152
Western comics, since forever?

>>54234795
>Even Ariadna has a bunch of special forces soldiers in sexy poses with their tits out.

Are you gay? tits and ass on lovely models is a good thing.

I played Warhammer Fantasy Battles for over a decade and have collected and painted hundreds of figures.

But deep down I always knew that the game system was shit and flawed. Rotten to the core. I don't know why I stuck with it to the bitter end. When AoS was announced my spontaneous reaction was to reject it. To say that GW had made a horrible decision.
Now that the dust has settled I think we all can agree that AoS was a smart move by GW, and that it is actually a fun game. Focus is on fun. That's good.

However, I do like the old warhammer lore. Or some of it at least. I wish they would have done with fantasy what they did to 40k with 8th edition.
Shake up the setting quite a bit, but still keeping it the same old setting. And really go back to basics and build up the rules and army lists from scratch again. Get rid of the bloat, focus on the fun.

Long live his imperial majesty Karl Franz..

>>54236243
Yes and? How does this relate to Infinity's visual design being bad?

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>>54236139
>Encapsulated rules for example would be things like morat which is just religious and something (I forget now, veteran 1 I think?)

No there is, because it saves space on the unit's profile, and when almost an entire third of your army has the same special rule for being Morats, why not just combine them into the Morat rule, making it easier to read and consolidate. And is far as I understand this is one of the few examples infinity, so even if you really do think it's a problem(For whatever reason, seriously why is it a problem) why would it even matter? Is you day ruined because you have to just remember that Morat units have Religious Troop and Vet 1.

>On tokens, if you need to use an outside source to play the game then it's already not handling its play ability well.
What? Outside source? The App was designed by CB and is highly recommended by them. Not like some third party like Battlescribe runs it. And if you really want to use tokens for orders, then you can. They starter sets all come with some nice ones you can use, and they have a pdf download of every single token in the game on their website, which you can print out and use if you really want to.

>And tourneys are where the standard of the game is set to. If it's obnoxious at tourney level then the game itself has obnoxious levels.
My point is it's not obnoxious, what is so hard about printing out two lists? Hell you don't even need to. You can just have a copy of your second list on your phone and just show your opponent if they want to see it. At tournaments you digitally upload your army list to them, and they will print out the lists for you if you need them too. It's not hard, and I don't know why you are focusing on it so much.

>ITS of course. It's the standard for the game to be played at.
I still don't get what you're on about. Do you not like having to balance your list with objectives in mind? What is wrong with this?

>>54236302
I always wondering what definition of "fun" in terms of wargames
>>54236333
>How does this relate to Infinity's visual design being bad?
>generic space armor in Infinity is BAD!
>but it's good when GW doing it

>>54236257
Well they aren't "Common place" even in their own worlds, but you do focus on the few that are wearing such attire.

>>54236333
How are infinity designs bad? You can not like the style, that's okay, another thing is to say it's bad because they really aren't, inspired in anime, SpecOps or pop culture yeah, but then 40k is 80' inspired sci fi isn't for everyone too.

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>>54236366
>but you do focus on the few that are wearing such attire.
>on the few
>few
Okay, enough is enough, now it's official DC cheescake thread

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>>54236333
What is wrong with infinity's visual design? They look fine to me. Also if these are 'Generic space armour" then what amazing space armour do you consider acceptable?

>>54236384

i've been F5'ing a while now
where is the cheesecake

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>>54236488
Well, I\ve lost most of my archives, just hoped some anons will help me with this.
BTW is it anime enough?

>>54236355
Because it's bloat. All the tiered rules refer to other rules. Veteran 2 is literally no wound incapacitation and 6th sense. Now instead of needing to know and refer to 1 rule, I need to know 4 rules. It doesn't matter if I can remember it or not, it's still unnecessary steps.

As for outside source, I mean that you need an app to track tokens which in turn needs to track in the game, you have got a system with too much steps in the middle. Having a crutch doesn't fix the broken foot.

>it's not obnoxious
See, this is yet another nuh huh kind argument from every infinity player. Name me any other game where you need to generate a list for your opponent which contains hidden information. It doesn't need to be hard for something to be necessary.

You are the one who asked about ITS or not. I don't understand how it became a balance issue.

>>54236359
Which I never said?

Seriously, do you have brain damage? First you are posting irrelevant pictures and now you are writing arguments that no one presented to you.

>>54236534
>Which I never said?
>>54236196
>And you are gonna respond with generic videogame space armor?
Also, could you finally decide, what Infinity is, turboanime or generic space armor?
And 40k posterboys using almost the same generic sci-fi armor

>>54236376
There's a very bad lack of visual distinction on models. Faction distinctions are very color dependent rather than form based. Try to tell me how anyone is to tell that croc men and the knights belong to the same faction?
What are the specialties of each knight orders? Can't really tell.
When the ninjas attack, how do the minis distinguish between mono filament and explosive weapons?


Some infinity stuff is pretty good. I like the Japanese due to katanas and poofy pants making them more recognizable.
Same with the aliens.
But rest are so fucking samey or on the flipside, so unrelated that clarity is very poor on the tabletop.

Infinity is technically well done, but the designs are very bad for a minis game.

>>54236563
It's both, turbo armor space anime

>>54236673
>There's a very bad lack of visual distinction on models.
>implying WW1 tanks equal to flying tanks with railguns is good thing
>Faction distinctions are very color dependent rather than form based.
That's why when some sneak pics releasing players surely can tell what faction it belong?
>What are the specialties of each knight orders?
Their history, they all just restored medieval christian orders.
>>54236704
>turbo armor space anime
-> these animes looks more like Warhammer >>54235645
>>54236091

you all shitters need to get people into the wargames you like or use the miniatures you like for more mainstream games instead of complaining all day about "all" games being shit. People only ever talk about warmahordes warhammer, infinity and malifaux, get out there and discover the other games.(also stop saying i don't play infinity because it has shit mdoels, just buy other models to play it, it's not GW, you can do it)

>>54236747
People can recognize something they are familiar with. 40k fans can tell differences between each bolter, leman russ, and titan's forge worlds, but that's because they're already invested. same with e sport gameplay. Just because the fans can tell, doesn't mean that the design itself is clear. Fans have jumped the hurdle, but the hurdle remains

>>54236841
>People can recognize something they are familiar with.
So visually difference between infinity factions is visible?
Also, I am pretty sure that random guy wouldn't see a lot of difference between Ultramarine and Dark Angel model except their colour schemes

>>54236913
>So visual difference between infinity factions exist?
sleepfix

>>54236913
Hood and wings which cover both the body and head, aka the parts where people have the greatest recognition

Tell me why o yoroi and the other yu jing tag belong on the same team

>>54236959
>Hood
So literally one unit (company veterans)?
>and wings
Wings on DA captain helmet made in the same manner as plume on new primaric captain
Wings on chest plates are simmilar too.

>>54236954
Not in any meaningful way worth mentioning.

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BEST GAME IN WORLD!

will replace GW's warhammer shit soon.

Prove me worng you can't!

>>54237101
>Prove me worng
3rd edition

>>54236533

i fucking hate anime
i am aroused by women, not by children

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>>54237503
okay, serious question how the fuck it isn't women?

>>54236673
>Faction distinctions are very color dependent rather than form based
Like modern soldiers, from the most part. A Canadian soldier and one from the US look almost the same to a non-expert, they just have a different camo

>>54233756
Show me on the doll where the black man cucked you.

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>>54236534
>Because it's bloat.
It steam lines it since you only have to see that Vet 2 just means you get no wound incapacitation and 6th sense. That is all it means and it is not complicated, unless you are just retarded or something? Like what is complex about that? How would it be better to just list everything out? Also it gives more of a lore reason, they are Vets, so they have the vet rule which is represented by the no wound incapacitation and 6th sense. Seriously one of my friends plays Morats and he loves their special Morat rule, and it doesn't confuse him at all. Why are you basing your opinion of the game off of this?

>As for outside source, I mean that you need an app to track tokens which in turn needs to track in the game
I already explained this too you, so I am guessing you just aren't reading my responses fully, so I will just re copy it. "And if you really want to use tokens for orders, then you can. The starter sets all come with some nice ones you can use, and they have a pdf download of every single token in the game on their website, which you can print out and use if you really want to. "

>Name me any other game where you need to generate a list for your opponent
Again WHY DOES THIS MATTER, are you too lazy to print out a list, and if you ARE going to a tournament, which is the only time this is required, you should be printing out lists anyway, seriously dude wtf, have you never been to a tournament before? You always have to print out lists for you and your opponent.

>You are the one who asked about ITS or not. I don't understand how it became a balance issue.
Dude you're the one who listed this random ass point about list building, yet you wont explain why it's bad besides "Lul specialists"

>>54237783

KUM ENFORCERS ?!?!?!?!

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>>54236673
>He thinks these all look the same

>>54235594
Well, as somebody just wading into this argument now, can I phrase it in reverse?
It's not about other games being 'anime', it's about other games NOT being about massive space marines.
I mean, other games will get you (kinda) the Guard, and (kinda) the T'au, and (kinda sorta) Eldar, it's just not the same. I want my Marines, my Necrons, my waaaagh. Is there anybody else who really goes for that aesthetic?

I like all 3. I haven't played in maybe 6 or 7 years and i never collected fantasy but i still liked it. I actually bought some models for the first time in yonks when the ironjawz came out, just to paint them. I think the new 40k rules look quite cool especially since orks who were forever garbage when i played are now from what i gather a threat.

Maybe one day i will play again, but i'm pretty content reading the magazine and occasionally painting some dudes.

>it's an infinityfags get butthurt people don't agree that infinty is gods gift to humanity episode
I swear, you faggots can't take anyone even slightly disagreeing with you well.
>inb4 this post triggers them into tons of "hurr youre just a retarded 40k fag" or "look at how much better our models and rules are, why don't you like our game"

>>54238549
>implying they don't
J

>>54238148
Literally adding yet another step is not streamlining.
>Streamline
>make (an organization or system) more efficient and effective by employing faster or simpler working methods.
Adding yet another step in the middle is opposite of making it faster.

All you have. like every Infinityfag is insult to any criticism with absolutely no understanding of basic logic and theory.

Every additional steps required is just another bloat to the rule. Every click I have to do extra in the builder/app is extra step that doesn't need existing.

Regarding ITS, you asked if it was ITS or not, which I said it was ITS. Then you started referring to a list construction issue that wasn't related to the question. Pay attention to the conversation.

>>54238549
Tell me what these models who are as recognizable as michael bay transformers, convey in their capacity. Tell me what's different about the yellow one's capacity in the game compared to the blue one and tell me, how people are supposed to tell with visual cue.

Honestly, the green one has a belt feed gun so likely has higher rate of fire, beyond that they convey absolutely nothing in their capacity.

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>>54242088
Not that guy, but I don't get your point.
Grey things are grey?
Those three are clearly different, and I don't even play wargames.

>>54242137
what do they do then?

A good design is capable of conveying mood and character. Tell me what these things do that are unique to each other

>>54235266
It's not anime, but it is boring generic sci-fi, which is worse in my opinion

>>54242173
Ask me the same about the one in colour and and I'll reply the same, they shoot. I guess.
I don't know enough about guns to venture any guess about shooty differences.

>>54242294
Exactly, and that's why it's bad design.

You have absolutely no idea why they are separate things. You have no idea who beats who in combat, you have no idea who's faster, you have no idea for what role they have or are capable of.

It's completely shit design.

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>>54238549
>says they don't look the same
>posts pic of three guys in generic sci-fi power armor that have no distinct differences other than color
>color doesn't even matter with miniatures you have to paint yourself

>>54242339
>>54242294

Are one of you OP? Both of you quit taking the bait, I'm sure you've had this same argument verbatim before.

You're grounded, and no mario kart for a week.

>>54242355
You know, people like to meme about Warmahordes having rigid color schemes and no conversions, but I think it needs to be a rule in Infinity. Oh boy, shit is confusing.

>>54238549
Except those all do look the same.
Remove the color, and it's just 3 generic sci-fi power suits. It's the absolute worst part about infinity (besides infinityfags).
Everyother major non-historical wargame doesn't have this problem.
It's easy to tell space marines from chaos space marines because, while both have power armor, one looks spikey and evil, while the other one doesn't. Those are immediate visual clues that convey both the nature of the model and make them unique and identifiable.
Mantic does it, GW does it, privateer press does it, FFG does it, and so on.
Infinty does not do this. The models themselves do not effectively communicate what they are and what they do, they all look basically the same

As a wargamer and an anime fan who genuinely likes the aesthetic of Infinity, I can say for certain that pro-Infinity posters on /tg/ have ensured that I will never set foot near this game.

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>>54242088
They look more different than BA and UM tactical marines
>>54242355
>no distinct differences other than color
Oh really, let's try. Picture #1

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>>54243077
And Picture #2, yes they are totally the same.

>>54243077
>They look more different than BA and UM tactical marines
Yes because they do exactly the same thing and also belong on the same side.
>A thing made for the same side with same combat capabilities and doctrines share equipment in a setting with ridiculous tech stagnation
You don't fucking say.

>>54243077
>>54243118
Honesly, one's flesh and one's not. Both fly and shoot. The human can stab.

That's about it. Still can't tell which faction it belongs to, especially the robot.Only thing I know for sure on those is that it doesn't belong on Adriadna.

>>54243077
>They look more different than BA and UM tactical marines
Considering outside of insignia and colors bangles and ultramarines tacs are litteraly the same thing, that is not something to be proud of.

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>>54243077
>look more different than BA and UM tactical marines
Ok, I contest that. Also when you compare a Space Marine to a Space Marine of course they're going to look the same, try comparing a space marine and an Ork.

>let's try. Picture #1
why didn't you start with this one instead of three guys that look the same. Also this is still generic sci-fi power armor, it just has longer arms and legs now.

>>54243077
>these two things which are supposed to be different look more different than these two things which are the same
You're a special kind of retard

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>>54243253
>try comparing a space marine and an Ork.
Disgusting
>>54243253
>three guys that look the same.
Because they are collected on the samll picture.
>Also this is still generic sci-fi power armor,
And it is bad, because..?
>it just has longer arms and legs now.
You could compare them with picrelated still, more difference between assault marines

>>54243077
>>54243118
The thing about character design is not making the details different but, rather, the profiles to make them immediately recognizable. If you can tell what the thing is from its silhouette then it's good character design, Team Fortress 2 is a very good example of this. These two images don't have a significant enough difference in their profiles to matter to most people.

>>54243404
>Team Fortress 2 is a very good example of this.
>cheap cartoonish shit
>good
Well, no wonder why warhammer fans calling everything is anime.

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>>54243387
>still more difference between assault marines.
It's almost like they're a standardized unit or something. Once again you ignore the stupidity of comparing two things that are the same. If you want to compare things that are different compare things that are different not the same. Like Orks and Space Marines, or Space Marines and Chaos, not Space Marines and Space Marines. Also Generic power armor is bad because it is Generic. Generic is not usually a good adjective you know.

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>>54243472
Shhhhh, people who actually understand form are talking. shhhhhhh.

>>54243472
>cheap cartoonish shit
>cheap
First off, dismissing something that is well designed because you don't like its particular aesthetic is petty and stupid, each character in Team Fortress 2 is immediately recognizable through their silhouette which is good design. Thanks for completely glossing over the entire point of my argument you idiot.

>>54243494
>It's almost like they're a standardized unit or something.
So it's bad that 6 humans armies in Infiniy sometimes looks the same, but totally okay with 6 SM armies?
>>54243529
>First off, dismissing something that is well designed
I've said that TF2 graphic is cheap, nothing more.
>Like Orks and Space Marines, or Space Marines and Chaos, not Space Marines and Space Marines.
Nice, compare humans with Combined Army races or with Tohaa.

>>54243494
Also
>Also Generic power armor is bad because it is Generic.
So when we are going to burn Citadel? Since they are love generic space armor too

>>54243652
>So it's bad that 6 humans armies in Infiniy sometimes looks the same, but totally okay with 6 SM armies?
6 SMs aren't at odds with each other. They don't belong to different factions.

Jesus Christ you are fucking thick.

This is why Infinityfags are the fucking worst.

>>54243664
SM armor doesn't get replicated unless the model company is making conversion bits for citadel.

>>54243664
I never said Space Marines aren't Generic. But get this, and you may not believe this, but there are things in 40k that aren't Space Marines. Space Marines are designed to be generic so they can bring in the general audience, and the thing is, Space Marine armies are heavliy outnumbered by the other armies and are standardized so they can all fall under one classification: Space Marines, they aren't even the only human army. so I was complaining that you kept comparing things that are deliberately made to be similar.

>>54235266
Holy shit, the third one even has the cocked hip, notice me senpai thing going on.

Could you guys not bump shit bait? It's like 50% of /tg/ now.

>>54243748
but poking the retard to watch him squirm is funny

>>54243748
No, it's not b8. Infinityfags are just that insane

>>54243728
Alright, so looking back Space Marines aren't heavily outnumbered in terms of the model line, but that's beside the point of my argument.

>>54243722
>They don't belong to different factions.
Technically they all different armies.
>SM armor doesn't get replicated unless the model company is making conversion bits for citadel.
Really? What about Reaper and shitton of other studio, like new Abbadon, posted in some 40k threads few days ago?
>This is why Infinityfags are the fucking worst.
Because we can argue with your arrogance and ignorance?
>Space Marine armies are heavliy outnumbered by the other armies
Lolwut? They are most popular modelline and by the way name other faction which have 6 armies.

>>54243811
>Reaper
They have either tacticool soldiers or 50s scifi looking shit for scifi. They also have bunch of Not-battletech stuff, but SM armor they do not.

>>54243652
>Combined Army races or Tohaa
but those guys are also Humanoid. This falls back on the silhouette thing, they have humanoid silhouettes that aren't significantly different from the human stuff, if I hadn't been told they weren't human it would be difficult to tell at a glance or from a difference. You can tell that Orks aren't human from a glance or a distance from their proportions, not only that but you couldn't even mistake Tyranids for humans if you tried.

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>>54237101
Sorry, you guys lost your chance.
You almost did it, and 40k bled a lot of players to your game during the Kirby years. Hell, even I played your shitty 40k knockoff a few times.
But now that 8th ed is back, GW's value as a company has skyrocketed to the highest it has ever been in history. More people are buying into Warhammer now than they ever have before, and Warmahordes is quickly being left in the dust due to the atrocious 3rd ed rules.
You almost did it, but you didn't do enough damage before GW rebounded, and now your thrid-rate knockoff game will fade into history as the world rights itself and everyone gets back to playing 40k, like it always should have been.

Also lmao @ Infinitycucks thinking their weebshit game will ever catch on outside of that handful of weird smelly kids who wear tophats unironically at the LGS. Being an anime game is a huge turn-off for normal people, even if the rules are good.

>>54243811
I like how you pick out the things you think you can run with and ignore all the other logic and reason in the arguments. Like I said here>>54243774 I was wrong in terms of model lines, I was just thinking in terms of fluff. GW likes to push the Space Marine models hard because they're popular. Generic things are popular because they're easy to digest, that's part of market research and shit. But maybe if you stopped focusing on Space Marines and only Space Marines you would notice that GW sells 18 factions that aren't Space Marines and that's not including Chaos Space Marines and Custodes.

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>>54243857
>but those guys are also Humanoid.
So as Eldars, Tau, Skitarii etc.
>You can tell that Orks aren't human from a glance or a distance from their proportions
So as space apes.
>>54243861
>Infinitycucks thinking their weebshit game will ever catch on outside of that handful of weird smelly kids
Yes, let's talk about how Warhammer smells,
>Being an anime game is a huge turn-off for normal people
Then why Tau and Eldar one of the most popular armies? And why the fuck titans are so popular

>>54243973
>Then why Tau and Eldar one of the most popular armies?
First of all, the most popular armies in 40k have always been various Imperials and Chaos.
Tau and Eldar were popular because they were OP for a long time, so WAACfags gravitated towards them. And yes, weebs like Tau and Eldar, but it's not just weebs. I've met plenty of normal people who like Tau for their modern military-esque playstyle, and Eldar are a classic army that lots of oldfags enjoy, too.
40k isn't a weebshit game, it's a western game that has weebs covered, too.
>And why the fuck titans are so popular
They aren't. And even if they were, don't act like mechs aren't a thing in western games.

>>54243931
>and ignore all the other logic and reason in the arguments.
Such as..?
>GW sells 18 factions
Define factions, please, because most of GW range is Imperium faction.
And by the way, let's talk about them, Eldars (3 armies) and Tau (1 army) is pure anime, IG and AM looks like humanoids, Nids, well agree, Zergs copy looks different, and we have Orks, literally "fantasy in space"

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>>54243973
>So as space apes
this does not refute my argument
Also
Because Eldar and Tau were meta in 7th ed, literally nothing to do with aesthetics, same thing with Titans, they are big and powerful on tabletop. also Skitarii are humanoid because they were human at one point, Eldar are literally space elves, and Tau were made to differentiate more between 40k and fantasy because a large part of 40k was fantasy in space. Once again you choose to ignore the good points I brought up to bring up points based on small details of my argument in an attempt to bolster yours, you ignore the fact that 40k has more non-humanoid factions than infinity which is zero by the way and you continue to ignore my silhouette and profile argument. But you know what... you win I concede I give up trying to reason with the village idiot and his straw men. At this point I just feel sorry for you

>>54244079
>zergs copy
oh... you're that kind of idiot...

>>54244084
>>54244060
Heads up. You are talking to the slav warmachine troll. A known shitposter.

>>54244060
>First of all, the most popular armies in 40k have always been various Imperials and Chaos.
Now cut off Space Marines.
>Tau and Eldar were popular because they were OP for a long time,
[citation needed]
DE were one of the most popular army in 5th edition, while they weren't obvious OP as Space Wolves rocketspam or Blood Angels.
>don't act like mechs aren't a thing in western games.
Then don't pretend that titans more close to Exosquad than to >>54235645
And by the way, mechs were popularized by anime in 80's.

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>>54244102
>oh... you're that kind of idiot...

>>54244127
No, it's the infinityfag.

>>54244165
Not really. He has trolled Infinity threads before. He just changes topics just to troll. The posting style is always the same.

>>54244084
>this does not refute my argument
And your argument is "humans looks like humans and it's okay in Warhammer, but not okay in Infinity".
>you ignore the fact that 40k has more non-humanoid factions
Wait you seriously telling that Orks aren't humanoids? Because 40k have only 1 non-humanoid faction and it's Nids (large part of Daemons troops is humanoids)

>>54244182
>>54244165
http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/48373101/#48383463

Here. Now can you pick up on the broken English and same mannerisms.

>>54244204
1 > 0

[spoilers]Silhouettes[/spoiler]

>>54233613
kys

>>54244182
>Not really. He has trolled Infinity threads before.
Excuse me?
>http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/48373101/#48383463
And I am troll, because some anon in Infinity thread said he doesn;t like GW stuff in one of Infinity genera threads?
>>54244220
>1 > 0
Yes, great diversity, one faction, which isn;t very popular and hated by GW (because Idk why they letting Cruddace write Nids codexes again and again)
>Silhouettes
All Warhammer infantry looks like humanoids except som daemons and nids army

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>>54244311
You ignored Silhouettes again! That means it's a good argument that you cannot refute!

>>54244334
>You ignored Silhouettes again!
Give any not-nids non-humanoid Silhouettes in Warhammer

>>54244363
that's still ignoring silhouettes and sticking to humanoid, which was an attempt to help you understand the initial silhouette argument, I'm going to assume you forgot about it.

>>54244395
>silhouettes
Always will looks the same outside some cartoonish products (moba, tf as examples)

>>54244422
Hot damn, another straw man, let's go for a world record. Cartoons are not the only thing that uses silhouettes TF2 was only an example, let's take DOOM for example. All the demons have visually distinct silhouettes that help you understand their different abilities at a glance or from a distance.

>>54244466
Don't bother, Infinityfags are just fucking oblivious retards.

Same as captcha who keeps on insisting pelicans are swans.

>>54244509
Oh, I already know it's pointless, I knew it was pointless after he ignored my argument about silhouettes the first time. I'm just having fun with it at this point.

>>54244466
>All the demons
May be more sci-fi examples, than fantasy? Come on, show me different silhouettes in ME or Halo, or CnC (of course I am talking about Tiberium series).

>>54244538
>after he ignored my argument
>it's okay when 40kfags doing it

>>54244568
Oh, those are also really good examples of different silhouettes as well, you're completing my arguments for me. Krogans have silhouettes that are visually distinct from Turians, and Elites have visually distinct silhouettes from Grunts. Perfect, thanks! I'm tired so I'm off to bed.

>>54244136
>Now cut off Space Marines.
Why? Even if you did that, I'd bet my left nut that Imperial Guard is still more popular than Eldar and Tau, not that it even matters.
>[citation needed]
I mean, I can dig up tournament results and show you all the top-tier Taudar armies if you don't believe me.
>And by the way, mechs were popularized by anime in 80's.
You're not wrong, but I still wouldn't call Battletech weebshit, and Titans are literally just huge western-style mechs with medieval-inspired heraldry tacked on to make them look more gothic/grimdark.
Sorry, but Infinity being weebshit hurts it more than it helps it in western markets. Trying to claim that 40k is also weebshit (fucking lol) isn't helping your case.

>>54244617
>Krogans have silhouettes that are visually distinct from Turians, and Elites have visually distinct silhouettes from Grunts.
So just like morats, shasvastii and unidrons

>>54244600
40kfags aren't.

Your argument questions why same units from same faction look the same.
You are just a fucking idiot

>>54244395

so you CAN'T name a non-nid non-humanoid silhouette in warhammer?

>>54244568
>Halo
Easy, Grunts vs. Elites.
Grunts: fat midgets. There's really no two ways about this.
Elites: Standing twice the height of a Grunt, head elongated and hunched forward.
Master Chief: Human in slightly bulky armour.
Flood infectee: Humanoid, with big lumps across its body, and huge hands.
Flood parasite: Looks like a Metroid, but with thin tentacles instead of fangs on its underside.

Bam, done.

>>54244646
>I mean, I can dig up tournament results and show you all the top-tier Taudar armies if you don't believe me.
And you will prove that Tau are very stong army, nothing more.
>and Titans are literally just huge western-style mechs
Nigger, I've posted aniume mecha which looks exactly like titan (Emperor and Warlord classes)
>Sorry, but Infinity being weebshit hurts it more than it helps it in western markets.
Got any researches with official data?
>Trying to claim that 40k is also weebshit
Meanwhile you guys didn't even try to prove it wrong.

>>54244669
>40kfags aren't.
>Infinity is bad because of weebshit and generic aesthetic
>but most of 40k models are generic and anime too, just more cartoonish
>but muh silhouettes

>same units from same faction
Blood Angels and Ultramarines different armies, but they looks much more simmilar than different human factions in Infinity.

>>54244748
Dude, 40k models are not weebshit you fucking retard. Stop being fucking stupid. Open your god damn eyes.
Infinity will always be way less popular because of the boring weeb aesthetic, 40k has infinitely more character.

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>>54244771
>40k models are not weebshit you fucking retard.

>40k has infinitely more character.
You mean Imperium who looks more like average sci-fi guys and droids

>>54244701
>And you will prove that Tau are very stong army, nothing more.
Tau and Eldar are popular for many reasons, but one of them is that they were OP for a couple editions. I don't know what point you think you're making here.
>Nigger, I've posted aniume mecha which looks exactly like titan (Emperor and Warlord classes)
No one buys titans because they think they look like anime mecha, they buy them because they're a unique take on western-style mechs. Again, not that it even matters. I'm not sure why you think this is an argument against 40k.
>Got any researches with official data?
Nope, do you have any researches with official data on people in western markets preferring weebshit? It's common sense, my guy. If you spent time actually playing with real people you'd know that.
>Meanwhile you guys didn't even try to prove it wrong.
First of all, yes we have, and second of all, it's incredibly obvious to anyone not retarded that 40k isn't weebshit outside of one or two factions.
I'm done now, you're just a shitposting retard who doesn't even know what point he's trying to make.

>>54244790
Eldar can be weebish if you want (like your pic), and Tau are pretty clearly weeb inspired. We've already covered that. I'm talking about on the whole. Imperials, Chaos, Orks, Tyranids, every faction outside of those two is not weebish in any way, and you're retarded if you think 40k is a weeb setting on the whole. It's blatantly a western setting with a couple weeb crumbs tossed in there.

>>54244813
>but one of them is that they were OP for a couple editions.
So, now only "one of them".
>No one buys titans because they think they look like anime mecha
>source:my ass
Titans looks like giant anime robots, it's attract people.
>take on western-style mechs
Show me western mechs which looks like titans.
>Nope, do you have any researches with official data on people in western markets preferring weebshit?
Overwatch popularity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aF7aD4KTTJc
likes-dislkes ration
>yes we have,
Where?
>outside of one or two factions.
What about tactical marines who looks like MS-06 Zaku II except of different heads

>>54233613
Yes. I like some of them anyway.

>>54244146

>40k makes minis
>starcraft takes the concept of the nids and renames it "zerg"
>changes some looks to update the sculpts from the 1980's nids to be more modern 1990's zerg
>GW thinks the nid rip off looks cool so they rip off blizzard in looks.

They ripped off each other. but we would not have the zerg without the nids.

>>54244846
>Imperials
Mostly average sci-fi mixed with anime.
>Chaos
Since when Berserk isn't weebshit?
>Orks, Tyranids,
Yeah, fantasy and zergs, your main argument.

>>54244903
>>40k makes humanoid-lizards minis
>the concept of the nids
TOP FUCKING KEK,
Dude, you cannot be serious.

>>54244934

The concept of the nids is the hive mind and a swarm that just consumes... you know. like the zerg.

>>54244948
>The concept of the nids is the hive mind and a swarm that just consumes... you know. like the zerg.
>The concept of the nids
Holy fuck, 40kfans really so ignorant

>>54244982

That is what they have been for as long as i have been playing. so from 3rd ed and on at least.

>>54245057
hint:space bugs concept never was invented by nids

>>54233613
Age of Sigmar is shit.

40k after 2011 is shit.

Fantasy after 2008 was shit.

>>54244948
All those were a thing long before the nids, just saying. And the nids started aping the aliens, and then started aping the zergs.

>>54244670
Fiends of Slaanesh.
Beasts of Nurgle.
Flesh Hounds of Khorne.
Screamers of Tzeentch.

Daemons gotchu covered.
>inb4 now name a non-nid non-daemon
You specified non-nid. Now reap what you have sown.

>>54245316
>You specified non-nid.
>>54244311
>except some daemons and nids army

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>>54244912
>He thinks Chaos was inspired by Berserk and only Berserk
>He doesn't know about Michael Moorcock

Hint: this is also the source of the aesthetic and character of the Dark Elves and thus the Dark Eldar.

Hint the second: Warhammer 1st ed. The one with Harry the Hammer on the cover.
>"And thanks to Moorcock, whose fault all this is"

>>54245345
In the post I replied to, you only specified "non-nid".

>>54245089

40k went downhill fast from 5th ed and on.

4th was the golden age that we will never see again.

>>54245382
>>He doesn't know about Michael Moorcock
Oh I knew about Moorcock very well (one of my favorite writters when I was 12yo), but I've talked about visual design, not about fluff
>this is also the source of the aesthetic
Nope, since Dark Elves and Dark Eldars a little different. (Eldars, average sci-fi plastic armor, Dark Elves mix of plate and mail armor)
And btw Elric doesn't look like 40k on this cover.

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>>54245388
Because I've specified daemons early.
But btw, here is not-humanoid

>>54233613
Yes, and it was all Ward's fault.

>>54237503
>i fucking hate anime
Get the fuck out of this anime imageboard called 4chan and fucking never come back you fucking inbred retard.

>>54243861
>40k knockoff
t. never played but I'll say I did

>>54244948
Both things are from Star ship trooper. Like the Space Marines. There is not a setting than has riped more than 40k, and that was part of the charm until the tone changed from joking to serious,40k is too retarded and full of holes to consider it seriously.

>>54245463
>5th ed and on.
I concur. Ward fucked up a few dexes with power creep and 40k went pants on head "Over the top is good for the game". I mean, Eldar were dominant almost all the time, but at least most of the game had a semblance of balance.

However, I do also wonder if the internet had might have had an effect on it though. Some 40k forums started to become well known and got littered with optimal lists and op units to the point that everyone found out how to make broken ass lists with just a quick google search. Opinions?

40k is completely devoid of the human elements
Every hour tens of thousands, if not hundred of thousands of sentient beings die. And they've been dying for at least 10 millenia