MTG Modern General

>burn
>chalice on one
>shitbrew
Does zoo count?

>>54232314
Naya zoo?

>>54232366
Yea. Since it's like T3, does it reach shitbrew status?

>>54232439
Depends how much you've tweaked the list. If it's bog standard there's not much to be said.

Any unconventional tech?

>>54232439
>tier 3 is shit brew loool XDDD
>Can't get past Skred in a GP

>>54232119
>what are you playing?
GDS
>what are you hating?
Mirror match. Tron for a non-GDS specific match up
>what's your favorite shitbrew?
4 color saheeli evolution

>>54232119
MLGPRO Affinity

T1 Chalice on 0, Ensnaring Bridge, Deathshadow because its bad.

Deathshadow is my favorite shitbrew, its shit.

>>54232119
>what are you playing?
Esper midrange
>what are you hating?
Gurmag Angler
>what's your favorite shitbrew?
Molten Vortex Loam

>>54233247
Doesn't angler go in Esper midrange? I'm genuinely curious

>>54232119
So is Humans legit or just a meme

>>54232119
>playing
Skred
>hating
6+ discard spell decks
>shitbrew
Is Skred a shitbrew?

>>54232119
>Abzan mid-range
>Tron
>Working on Abzan humans

I have no idea if I like playing combo decks, and have to give them a shot. Which should I start with?

>>54233593
Vintage Doomsday

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>>54232119
MONO RED TROOON

Death's Shadow because I can't bolt it, Stony Silence and Spreading Seas.

T4 Stuffy Doll+Blasphemous Act

>>54233617
C'mon now, this is modern general. I'm here to play in a format that has players

>>54232119
Is Waste Not still a meme, or is Hollow One helping?

Is it redundant to run a copy of Kira, Great Glass Spinner in Bant Spirits?

>>54233824
I had Waste Not dropped on me turn 2 as dredge when I only had faithless lootings to play and still crushed my game.

Waste Not will forever be a meme

>>54232119
Will mill stop becoming more than a mere memedeck with Fraying Sanity?
Could I make a decent deck that runs mainboard RIP and Lost Legacy to exile my Eternal Scourges and Misthollow Griffins while running processor Eldrazi for value?

>>54233276
Esper Midrange already runs Scours for that sweet Lingering value and to turn on Snapcasters, Gurmy and Tasigur seem free.

>>54233915
No, you'd have to play legacy food chain for that

>>54233915
>playing a deck that turns on DS Delve threats turns Snapcaster into a tutor for any spell in the deck auto loses to Emmy and can't beat Battle of Wits
why even live
Really though, why play Mill over Burn? Same gameplan but Burn does it better especially in a format with DS.

>>54233915
If you want to play a mill gameplan, play lantern.

>>54234033
I'm talking about the Fraying Sanity + Traumaitze combo. You have Tormod's Crypt, Relic of Progenitus, or Ravenous Trap to exile the grave before Emmy triggers.

>>54233649
It all depends how you want to combo, anon. Counters company aims to put into the the battlefield two 2 mana creatures into play to generate infinite mana and kill the opponent with duskwatch activations into Ballista or Rhonas +2 trample infinitely.
Kiki Chord aims to play the namesake creature using chord of calling (most of the time) to copy restoration angels into infinite 3/4 hasty flyers.
Knightfall uses Knight of reliquary ability with retreat to coralhelm to make a giant attacking creature.
Living End seeks to discard and draw several creatures before bringing them all from the graveyard as soon as turn 3 while it also wipes the ones already on the battlefield.
Ad Nauseam casts the card then wins the game on the spot.

I might be forgetting about others, but these are the mainstream ones.

>>54233276
It can, but I'm running Bob.

>>54233846

I'd still like to make "Hot Wheels" (Waste Not + Burning Inquiry) work if I could. Or maybe I'll just make that fucking meme bee deck.

>>54233437
Reddit is trying to claim its better than Merfolk.

Im thinking of building a mono U tron deck, i mostly like the playstyle and flavor of the thing, but would appreciate any words of wisdom regarding how viable it is competativly

I want Sulfuric Vortex as an Enchantment creature

>>54235492
alright, but it costs 6 mana in the current standard environment

>>54235610
Eidolon had the same cmc as Pyrostatic Pillar, just make it RRR and make him a 2/2 with Menace or something

>>54235649
Sure, I'll slot that in right after we print aluren into standard too

>>54235193
>Reddit is one person

>>54235748
>A large portion of users on the social media website known as Reddit are trying to claim it's better than Merfolk.

Happy now?

>>54233842
No the card puts in a lot of work, especially in a removal heavy meta. Probably one of the better cards for the flex slots in the deck.

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>>54232119
>>what are you playing?
thalia & friends
>>what are you hating?
watching bad pilots play the monowhite invitational list
>>what's your favorite shitbrew?
boom/bust darkdwellers (aka ernhamgeddon) was my favorite until they changed the rules to no longer allow casting bust off the darkdwellers trigger. i mean its still 'fine' as a value midrange deck but armageddon on a 4/4 menace dude was just the nuts.

pic related is my favorite standard shitbrew of all time. holy fuck this deck was fun.

>>54235859
No. I'm gonna need a source. You probably saw one thread and then made your post

>>54236024
I miss Cruise burn desu

>>54236024
I miss that interaction so damn much, literally pushed American Annex from floppy meme to wet dream.
Rip in pieces Frost Titan, one day your deck won't be shit.

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The card that Modern needs to save it

>>54237825
Also, standard

>>54237825
LD is badwrongfun

>>54237961
>yfw when I just took some Bonfires and a Chandra out of my Ponza list to include a Kessig Wolf Run, a Wurmcoil, and a Garruk Primal Hunter
Because I'm sick of having the cunts in my opening hand, and because I want to play a stronger midrange game after I assfuck your land. Wolf Run not working under Blood Moon is so irrelevant like holy shit.

>>54237961
We need fucking something, this and Sinkhole to stop the Tron menace.

> A Wizards Employee comes to spellsling at the prerelease
> Tells people that they can choose to play commander, modern or prerelease limited decks
> "Commander is my home, modern is my job and 40 cards decks are just meh"
>wizards employees at limited event hating on limited.jpg

Some people challenge him to modern games. He plays an old-style Jund with Goyfs and Bobs.
People who challenge him play stuff like Burn and Affinity.
>tfw T3 wins
>tfw he can't even sideboard because spellslinging is a 1 game per match

>>54238403
Or how about we just ban Tron

>>54238403
What if Ghostquarter also searched you a Wastes when used

>>54233437
Humans has been putting up moderate performance for quite some time. Although Humans bleeds over with Allies quite a bit. Sometimes it's a hybrid.

>>54238931
What if ghost quarter was just wasteland?

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>>54238906
How about you get good?

>>54239035
aether vial price rising.jpg

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>>54239035
what if ghost quarter was just strip mine?

>>54239267
All for the low low cost of playing an ACTUAL Grizzly Bear.

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>>54239466
is spectral bear!

>>54232119
>what are you playing?
Bant Worship.
>what are you hating?
Not gonna lie, Tron.
>what's your favorite shitbrew?
My own. I've been going back to Aura Swap for funsies, have gotten some delicious reactions from opponents who either never knew or had forgotten that was a thing.

>>54239791
DUDE nice

>>54232536
nothing with creature aggro can get past skred

>>54238002
Sounds like you're almost Tooth'n'Nailing.

>>54239828
Very nice indeed.

>>54239989
To be honest my list is now capable of incredibly violent openings.

>T1
Forest, Arbor Elf
>T2
Stomping Grounds, tap to put Utopia Sprawl on the Forest, tap for 2, untap with Arbor Elf, tap for 2, play Garruk Wildspeaker, +1 to untap my lands, tap Stomping Grounds for Utopia Sprawl on the Forest, tap for Blood Moon

9 mana of spells on T2 is actually possible, leading into 11 mana on turn 3 which is Primal Command into Inferno Titan or Wurmcoil Engine while tucking a land. One day I'll be on the play and pull this off against some little cuck playing a T1 Heirarch or something and leave his jaw on the floor.

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What cards should every Mystical Teachings deck have in the 75?

>>54240433
Shadow of Doubt, Consume the Meek, Snapcaster Mage

>>54240433
Goblin Electromancer and Baral.

>>54233437
I know I'm at least going to try to make it, it seems like fun, plus it's not like humans doesn't get new cards all the dang time

>>54240481
I'm definitely running the other two, but why Shadow? It's a good card, but it doesn't seem like a powerful enough effect to be worth tutoring for.

>>54240558
:^)

>>54240917
No I mean it. Without mana reducing creatures, Teachings just costs too damn much mana as a deck.

>>54240963
You don't want to run 4 of it any more, but that's fine because you don't need to Teachings for Teachings to squeeze out advantage in the late game, like the deck did in Standard. Instead, you can Teachings for Sphinx's Rev and draw a ton of cards, or grab a Gearhulk or token spell and kill them. Teachings helps you find those win-cons, but is also more versatile when you don't want them yet.

You also don't want to make the mistake of running too many situational spells. Dropping a Path for a Blessed Alliance (when you also have Fatal Push) is okay because Alliance is still a main deck worthy card. Trying to get cute with Slaughter Pact or Sudden Death is a bad idea, though.

>>54240425
>calls his opponent in a trading card game a cuck
True autism

>>54241430
If he waifus any of the cards, he's a cuck. Can't put your penis in 2D, but other 2D can if the writers will it.

There is no outcome except cuck.

>>54240425
>believing in T1 arbor elf
bruh, in what meta?

>>54241481
your hypothetical is very specific and I'm concerned you're touching yourself while you type

>>54241517
My hand is on my face.

>>54240425
Here's how it actually goes in real life.

>t1 discard elf
>t1 remove elf

Keep playing gay meme decks though

>>54241481
Who the fuck is waifuing Noble Hierarch?
Or have we entered your magical realm?

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I'm loving all these retards playing Mardu Burn. My Burn Mirror has never been better.
>mfw my opponent topdecks a Burst Lightning and can't kill me with it because its just a fucking shock.
>End up killing him on my turn with a topdeck Boros charm

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>>54241654
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/52368933/#52369206

>>54241689
Crackling Doom is good, fuck off.

>>54241720
Mardu Burn doesn't play crackling doom you dingus

>>54241689
Are there a bunch of people meming with whats-his-faces burn list? I think his thought process is nearing "correct", but his execution was flawed. And I definitely agree that the 2 mana burn spells are just the worst.

Are there FNM competition level decks that are also not complete trash in multiplayer? Substituting a few cards is acceptable, like swapping Thoughtseize for wider hand-hate like Rotting Rats/Liliana's Specter.

I am interested in Eternal Command, but cannot stomach $300 for Vial and Cryptic without an actual deck to slot them into for serious play. That, and I don't like Merfolk.

>>54241861
Are we talking Free for all or Two-headed Giant?
Because I can't think of a single deck that'd do well in FFA

>>54241861
Monowhite weenies and elves.

>>54233437
play solemnity, torpor orb, hushwing gryff or any wrath in your 75. makes that deck trash because it's a gimmicky go-wide etb trigger for counters deck.

>>54241922
Free for all. There's an unwritten agreement not to treat it like EDH and tailor decks for the format.
Anything that isn't single target, beatdown aggro does fine. I'd been looking at Dredge since it is removal resistant and can grind out long games.
>>54241928
Unfortunately, we already have a player on both.

>>54242049
>free for all
Gross. You can try Ad Nauseam and make Lab Maniac the primary wincon. Does it absolutely have to be Modern legal? I had some success playing Amulet Bloom in 4 player FFA focusing on Hivemind wins. Other than that, I've got no clue.

>>54240433
I have 30 of these. To bad it's shit...someone please break this.

>>54242049
Shit son, that sounds awful. In a situation like that combo decks are probably the only way to go. Jeskai Copy Cat could work, but with other players, your already fragile combo will be even harder to get to work.

>>54242101
>>54242244
It's beer and pretzels activity. Most of the decks aren't over $400 total. I had been looking at combo but wasn't satisfied with much, as it invites attention.

Thanks for the help.

Eurofag here.
I'm in California. Do I go to Wizards store to buy cards for taking them back or is Walmart okay?

What is the current state of jund?

>>54242607
Unplayable

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>>54242607
Tier 3 and holding.

>>54242648
>jund has turned t3 in your lifetime
why has god abandoned us?

>>54242648
>>54242778
How the mighty have fallen.

>>54242625
>>54242648
Is it finally not as expensive?

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>>54242778
The Antichrist has come, and with him march his 40,000 jews.

>>54242813
Lolno

>>54242778

jund is just faggy money cards it can fuck off straight to hell

>>54242813
Hah.

No.


The deck fares poorly in this meta, but each individual piece is still incredibly strong. Also price memory is alive and well. See: Bob. No one has run him for months and he's holding steady.

>>54242846
Jund was a fair deck that tested other decks against a deck with the best answers in modern. Jund did nothing wrong.

>>54242872

>expensive and underperforming
>nothing wrong

Jund is an innocent victim.

Ban DS
Ban Stubborn Denial
Ban K Command

>>54242921
Unban BBE

>>54242921
Only DS really deserves it desu

>>54241689
Does Mardu burn not play Boros Charm? What other chard is keeping it in white?

>>54242903
Its only underpreforming right now because Shadow is still legal. Once they ban it Jund'll be Tier 1 again. Mostly because the majority of jund players only stopped playing jund so they could hop on the shadow train.

>>54242963
It does. The Reddit list only had 3, though.

>>54242963
Lightning helix and sideboard hate.

White has the best silver bullets.

>>54243007
Mardu Burn doesn't play Lightning Helix because Lightning Helix is the worst, most inefficient card in burn by a large margin.

>>54243007
>Lightning helix
Not in mardu burn my dude. 2 mana is too much, Bump in the Night and Burst lightning are is where it is at.

>>54242477
You could go to an LGS- Or Walmart, or Target, or Kmart. But if you're sight-seeing, I recommend Walmart.

>>54242921
Ban Street Wraith.

>>54243035
But where's the cheapest?

>>54234377
Sounds like I want living end or storm. Is cascabalance worth trying?

>>54243063
All big box stores are the same price.

Go to a lgs though support the business that makes this game possible.

>>54243063
Are you just looking to buy loose packs? Everything is pretty standard, I think they're like $4.19 in my area of Cali, socialist tax code and all that. You probably won't be finding much below MSRP at a box store.

>all this bitching over DS

>>54243223
But if the best deck is an interactive midrange deck, how will my janky shitbrew compete at my LGS?

So what's the most common build for burn if helix is so bad?

>>54243496
Boros.
Bump in the Night is great, but all this talk of Burst Lightning is giving me an anti-boner. My cock has receded into my pelvic cavity and refuses to come out.

>>54243625
What's so bad about atarkas command tho?

>>54243678
a really good card, you've made my cock unrecede just thinking about it.
honestly, forgo what people think is "in", especially if it's a meme. The fact that people are now bandwagoning Burst fucking Lightning speaks volumes (not even a miser copy, this is simply beyond singleton funof memes)

Ban Eldrazi Temple
Ban Ancient Stirrings
Ban Deaths Shadow

I unironically want Stubborn Denial banned just to fuck with Bluefags.
It also hits GDS, so we can justify it too.

I just want Eldrazi Temple and Ancient Stirrings banned. Tron is literally what is warping this format. Abzan, and UW Control grind better then Deaths Shadow but they are too slow so they cant beat Tron. Tron is the cancer.

>>54244364
>tron is warping the format
>don't ban tron
No half measures, ban every tron land

>>54244304
>>54244364
Stirrings is fine it's Tron that's the problem

>>54244381
Sure if you want, ban the three Urza lands.
Banning Ancient Stirrings and Eldrazi Temple seems more likely
Eldrazi Temple is a Sol Land, it is inherently unfair. It ramps out powerful threats way too early. Turn 2 Thought Knot Seer is way way too good.
Ancient Stirrings would reduce the consistency of the Green Tron lists and would be coherent on the ban list as it looks similar to Ponder and Preordain, deck manipulation is just too good.

>>54232119
Dredge
U/W Control
Dredge?

>>54244410
>Ban: Urza's Tower
>the others can stay

I wish so much
just for the asshurt

>>54244418
>Banning Ancient Stirrings ... seems more likely
Why? Hitting tron only hits tron decks, ancient stirrings hits other decks like lantern control. As many times as you bluefags try to compare ancient stirrings to ponder it's not even close to as good. Wizards will ban serum visions before ancient stirrings.

>>54244452
>you will never bathe in a river formed from the tears of salty tron mongoloids

>>54243180
I have just remembered another two somewhat used combos using the Jeskai Shell, Jeskai Nahiri which aims to get Nahiri to -8 into Emrakul and Jeskai Saheeli which uses the Felidar Guardian and Saheeli Rai combo to attack with infinite 1/4 cats.

Living end and storm are really powerful combo decks but I feel they can get stale really fast, the amount of interaction living end has is greater than storm, but both of these decks do the same thing with very little variation to win the game every single time. Cascading into balance is hardly seen being used, so you might surprise some people, I think it's the coolest although perhaps not the stronger of the cascade combo decks, mtggoldfish made some videos of it a while ago.

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/budget-magic-45-7-tix-modern-restore-balance

>>54244721
I love reading old budget magic articles and seeing that the price has doubled from the listed headline. Always gives me a chuckle.

>>54244458
I dont even play Blue, but fine ban Expedition Map

>trying to ban Tron again

When will you all learn? Tron is the cure to control, and therefore the cure to endless, smug RBx "permission" players who want to counterspell everything.

Tron is all that stands in the way of that.

>>54244886
I'm new to modern, how does Tron stop counterspells? I thought it was pretty much about using the 3 Urza lands to throw out big expensive dudes.

>>54244927
Ulamog cast triggers. But most of the time just throwing huge threats into counterspells until one resolves, then it automatically wins. Counterspells only delay the game, which is bad when you don't have a clock and your opponent's late game threats are better than yours.

>>54244886
>RBx permission players
Made me chuckle, here's a (you) the bait needs work.

>>54244886
Uxx control does better against Tron than BGx midrange, although neither deck is favored. Besides, Eldrazi Tron has pretty much displaced tradition Gx Tron.

>>54244964
Ah, that makes sense. Thank you!

>>54244886
Oh, please. Control has been dead in the water for years. It can't provide enough answers to deal with Aggro: the Format.

>>54232119
How is humans good, exactly? Other than Thalia, Champion and Lieutenant, what else does it have? I run it in a mono whire casual build with brave the elements, but I'd hardly call it competative.

>>54245048
It's a coco deck. It has coco.

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>>54245536
>Thoughtseize

The real cancer

>>54245568
>wahhh lemme combo
fuck off

>>54245568
Thoughtseize is fine. The problem is that there is currently only Leyline (good joke) to prevent a T1 Seize.
It needs a response card to sideboard in.

>>54245597
Reprint Cabal Therapy. At least one requires skill.

>>54245621
dredge doesn't require skill

>>54245621
Give Veteran Explorer too.

>>54245621
>skill
read: guessing

>>54245621
>skill

Wrong word anon. The point of a thinking man's game like Magic is that it isn't decided by raw skill, but by a complicated decision-making process.

>>54245630
Fine, a functional reprint of Therapy that can only target opponents

>>54245650
That doesn't fix the issue with dredge and cabal therapy at all. Maybe you should advocate for cards you've actually played with, like casual EDH fatties.

>>54245597
It's just so damned efficient. If you're playing or splashing black, there's zero reason not to play it. You could argue the same for Bolt and Path, but they're just creature removal. T1 Thoughtseize is everything removal.

>>54245716
I would go as far to say as it is leaps and bounds better than anything you can reliably play T1 in Modern except maybe Eldrazi Temple. It's too good of a turn 1 play compared to everything else and its laughable downside even turned into an upside thanks to the DS meme and Modern having no good ways to punish decks that skirt on their life total.

>>54242813
>>54245716
>If you're playing or splashing black, there's zero reason not to play it.
What about not wanting to pay 100 bucks for 4 pieces of cardboard?
Tron? Shadow? Waifufags? 8th/9th editions? Please.
The real cancer killing MtG is overpricing caused by a shit reprint policy, shit secondary market and dumb people with too much money

>>54245755
Burn does punish those decks, but the life trade with Thoughtseize (2 for 3 minimum) in that particular matchup is still worth it.

>>54245786
I know people are going to call me a fag, but I really wish PoP was legal in Modern. Between the greedy as fuck mana bases, Death's Shadow crushing everything, and Tron being a thing that exists, I really wouldn't mind being blown out by it. Not even a burnfag.

>>54245781
>The real cancer killing MtG is overpricing caused by a shit reprint policy
I'd agree that WotC is shit about reprinting staples, but that's kind of offtopic.
The cost of cards doesn't really factor into the meta.

>>54245824
Depends on your meta
It doesn't matter in professional meta(s) and the global meta but it does matter in FNM meta(s)

>>54245813
PoP would be a godsend because even blood moon isn't enough to deter the recklessness of modern landbases.

>>54245871
True, but not as much as you would imply, there are other cards that cost far more, like Goyf, that see plenty of "friendly" FNM play.
Probably because once you buy these staples, you're golden, as they're so good that you can just move them around from deck to deck that's in their colors.

>buy two Chalices over a year ago at like 15 each for UTron
>after abandoning the deck, realize I still had them and they're 80 a pop
Niiiice

>>54245536
I rate this meme a strong 8 to a light 9. Do you mind if I save it?

>>54245980
how did this happen
3 years ago this card was $5

>>54245990
It's become a premier lock/disruption piece in Legacy AND Modern. It's a damn wonder that it wasn't expensive before now.

>>54245990
People realized Chalice on 1 or 2 shuts down quite a few decks, and decks like Eldrazi Tron can play it worry free since it won't hit their own shit.

>>54246016
>>54245990
Additionally it's (or at least believed to be) very unlikely to be reprinted in standard, so if you're a store that has them in stock there's no reason to put a low price on them, as there's very little risk of them losing value.

>>54245781
Then accept that if you play black in modern without thoughtseize that you are playing a suboptimal deck. It's like playing Affinity without ravager orburn without Bolt.

>>54246105
I feel like Chalice would be okay for a Standard reprint. If Wizards was actually retarded enough to reprint Thoughtseize then Chalice will be fine.

>>54246145
I know it's suboptimal
But some people don't want to sell their house to play an optimal bunch of painted cardboard

>>54246149
wizards already said they regretted reprinted thoughtseize
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/143662137778/reprints-question-b-so-much-more-bs-mtg#notes

>>54246105
Is it played in EDH at all? That's usually the worst reprint culprit. modern masters are very small sets.

>>54246184
Not really

>>54246184
I don't think anyone plays it, EDH likes big CMCs and has a lot of variation in those CMCs.

>>54246169
I don't disagree with you. I'm just saying the meta doesn't care about the price of a card if you want to play competative.

>>54246220
Maybe not in modern, but there would probably be slightly more high tide in legacy if candelabra wasn't $500 each. Not a lot more, but a little bit.

>>54246233
True, but we're talking about a $20 card here. People will keep ponying up the cash for playsets for a long time.

>>54246184
Nope. EDH curves are very smoothed out even in 75% power metas

>>54246184
>>54246191
>>54246200
Everything sees play to some capacity in EDH.

I've seen Chalice in a few stax lists, but I'm also the cancer that plays with Workshop, the vintage counter suite, all the busted rocks, Candelabra, Doomsday, etc. with an average cmc lower and a faster clock than anything in Modern.

I would say that Modern (and the Eldrazi decks in both Legacy and Modern) are the main catalyst for the price increase though.

>>54246233
Maybe a bit more. I think the main deterrent for most players in Legacy is that the deck takes forever to execute its win.

>>54246344
>some capacity
I'd say very little capacity.
Just about nobody uploading decks at the very least is using it.

>>54246178
The problem wasn't that they reprinted Thoughtseize. The problem was that they didn't give other colours any good cards while black got access to fucking Thoughtseize.

>>54246344
>Doomsday

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

at least you admit it I guess

>>54246394
Oh, so just like modern then

Used to play MtG before Modern was a format.

Kinda want to give it a shot. But, I've been out of the game since Jund was THE T1 Standard deck in rotation.

I don't know a lot about current state of the game. Is it worth it? Can I build a playable deck in Modern for about $100?

>>54246460
>Can I build a playable deck in Modern for about $100?
AHA AHAHAHA AHAHAHAHAHAAHA
NO, FUCK YOU GOY

>>54246460
>Can I build a playable deck in Modern for about $100?
No decks cost $400-500 usually and go up to 2k. cheapest competitive deck you can build is Skred.

>>54246460
You can build a mono-red burn deck for around that price. Not competitive, but good enough to play and upgrade.

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/modern#paper

Check the budget section out for ideas, or make a gimped version of a regular expensive deck.

>>54246460
>Can I build a playable deck in Modern for about $100?
Yes
Viable? Able to win games?
No

>>54246469
>>54246472
>>54246483
>>54246488

Goddamn, shit must be different now. My first competitive standard deck was a mono-red burn deck with like a $50 investment.

C'est la vie. I guess I'll just lurk

>>54246497
Standard and modern are worlds apart.

You can make a top tier standard deck for about $250, which is half the price of cheaper modern decks.

>>54246400
I was just going to reply with this. Between having toughtseize and redundancy with IoK, Fatal Push the best removal, the best beaters(Death's shadow,Gurmag angler and Tasigur) and the best planeswalkers(Lotv and Ltlh) It's a fucking wonder why anyone would play another colored deck. And I haven't even touched the rakdos and golgari colored cards. If you aren't a black based deck or a colorless deck (eldrazi,tron,affinity) stay the fuck out of modern. You're throwing your money away at events.

>>54246518
unban SFM, JtmS and BBE. Give other colors threats

>>54246510

I see. I don't know anything about modern as it didnt exist when I played. But I guess it's closer to legacy than it is to standard. I just assumed it was a more "open" standard with a more flexible meta

>>54246510
Some decks aren't THAT expensive. Ponza is just 8 Khans fetches, 3 Gatecrash shocks, and a set of Blood Moons. The Inferno Titans, Swags, and Commands are buttons.

>>54246510
>>54246497
The flipside of that of course is that Standard is really volatile now and your investment might be for naught on top of the normal rotation. Of course, shit gets banned in Modern all the time so it's not safe either. Both formats are sort of fucked in terms of player investment.

>>54246518
Burn and Affinity are good and nonblack.

>>54246533
modern was intended to be a legacy without the reserved list, so they could reprint the expensive cards in standard to keep the price down. But we learned quickly that the reason wizards doesn't reprint expensive cards isn't because of the reserved list, it's because they're massive jews.

>>54246528
>Sword/Path
>Misstep/?
>Fatal Push/Thoughtseize
>Lightning Bolt/?
>Nature's Claim/?
Which non-creature one drops am I missing?

>>54246533
To add to this, there's a BW Eldrazi midrange deck that's been putting up results lately that doesn't really contain anything expensive.

https://www.channelfireball.com/videos/modern-monday-bw-eldrazi/

>>54246535
Affinity for the most part is colorless.

>>54246532
Well it is more "open" in terms of the cardpool, but because it pulls from older cards which don't get enough reprints, the most powerful cards get quite expensive.

>>54246544
>It's because they're massive jews
Not even, they could sell so many more of their supplemental products (and charge twice as much) if they threw a few modern staples in them each time.
They don't do it because they're stupid.

>>54246559
Eh, I guess. Does Titanshift run black? Not really familiar with it. In terms of T2 decks, there's UW Control, D&T, Humans, and others.

>>54246558
save for that sideboard with the fulminator mage and exposives

>>54246585
The fact that you need to drop to T2 says enough.

I just wonder what went on in Wizards' head when they decided creating Fatal Push was a good idea. Maybe they just ignored eternal formats.

>>54246615
Nothing is really bad about T2, you know.

>>54246615
Let's be fair, Modern has too much good mana to justify avoiding a color that contains such good cards.

Claim//Fame is another busted 1 cmc black card. When will wizards learn? Just bring back treasure cruise and twin already.

>>54246664
Desu Modern with Cruise/Dig was some of the most fun I've had in magic even if it wasn't very balanced

>>54246664
Why would GDS not play treasure cruise

>>54246677
Has to compete with other delve cards in the deck :^)

New to constructed, non-casual formats. Do people normally use a set of basic lands from the same block or the same exact land, art and all?

>>54246736
It depends
My block decks use the block land, whatever art
My EDH deck doesn't have twice the same basic land
My Modern deck only has one basic land

>>54246765
>Hurr durr muh robuttz

>>54246781
I don't play affinity if that's what you're trying to imply

>>54246790
>MUH KARN

>>54246781
>>54246803
Are you feeling well, Anon? Maybe you should take your medications

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/emeria-green/
Here you go gentlemen. It's by no means perfect, but it's quite fun to pilot.
Seal, Ratchet Bomb and Eidolon really over preform in the side.

>>54246841
It's like Scapeshift, except instead of killing your opponent you get to reanimate a Satyr Wayfinder.

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>>54240917
For funny jollies like this, Tooth and Nail or Chord of Calling.

Opportunity cost is very low, because it cycles and everyone is running fetchlands.

>Playing
GDS
>Hating
Topdeckwin decks (eldratron) and non interactive ones (storm)
>Favourite shitbrew
Dark Bant Tamiyo (builded myself)

>>54247517
>Playing a Legacy powerlevel deck and whining about other people needing to play unfair to beat you

B A N
F E T C H L A N D S

If you guys think modern is a shit format, why don't you tell me what a good one looks like

Hard mode: You can't just say "modern without X deck"

>>54235147
>Bee deck

It may be a meme but holy shit it's the greatest MTG deck I've seen in years.

>>54248514
Moderns a great format, it would just be better without Tron. Either that or Modern with an unban or two of reasonable cards. Moderns the best constructed competitive format.

>>54248214
F R E E
S K U L L C L A M P

>>54248800
>Leave general for a month and a half
>Mongoloids still whining about tron

Some things never change.

>>54232119
>Storm
>Interaction
>Angel Moon

>>54248514
>inb4 cucks who wasted their money cry out Legacy!
Legacy is terrible, a stagnant dull format thats barely changed in the past 2 years at all. The best decks have been the best decks for a long time, Force of Will and Brainstorm are way too ubiquitous, the buy in price is fucking absurd, and its generally played by pretentious elitists who think their IQ is 150+ because they know how to pay U and draw 3 cards then put 2 cards that arent impactful back on top and then crack a fetchland. Wow call fucking Albert Einstein and tell him hes been upstaged.

>>54248871
FoW sees so much play because it's the glue holding the format together.

>>54234655
why do you need bob? you're in blue

>>54248514
Ravnica standard

>>54248815
Tron used to be fine, then WotC banned two of its worst matchups (Twin and Infect) and a lot of good cards were printed that slotted into the deck, now its fucking oppressive and forces you to play fast aggro and combo to slip underneath them.

>>54248910
Its like glue holding together a shoddy art project you make in elementary school. Its dull, its tiring to play, the games are extremely high variance maybe even more so then Modern despite there being FoW.

>>54248972
>>54248910
Ill even illustrate how boring the format is simply. The RB Reanimator deck is really good and this is easily how a game 1 can go.
>sit down to play
>roll dice
>opponent wins the roll and opts to go first
>you open up your hand, good hand, you keep, the hand doesnt have Force of Will in it
>opponent goes Badlands, Dark Ritual, Thoughtseize you, sees coast is clear and takes a card, then Entombs a Sire of Insanity, and with the last B he Reanimates it, goes to endstep you both discard your hand and you lose
No right or wrong decisions were made, your hand was perfectly acceptable in the blind and you lost because your opponents deck decided to jerk off on the table. You didnt even get to play Magic.

>>54248514
The main problem with modern in my opinion is that black based decks has powerful mana efficient cards and colorless decks are cheating mana (urza lands,eldrazi temple, mox opal). Hell affinity is mana efficient and cheating mana. While everyone else is playing a much slower less efficient game with 3 and 4 drops. That coupled with the fact these decks don't have good answers (except for affinity and you better hope you have your sideboard card in your opener). Black decks will just discard the trouble card away and there's no efficient way to deal with urza lands and eldrazi temple.

to get rid of ds just unban mental misstep

>>54249399
Wow shut the fuck up.

>>54249399
Just want to watch the world burn,eh?

>>54249440
>>54249478
i mean it hits thoughtseize, ds, fatal push, iok
seems like a perfect solution

>>54248214
unironically this, there must be a downside going in multiple colors, fetches and duals that enter untapped need to go.

>>54249051
Have you considered that you are just a shitter?

reanimator decks aren't even that good because they are gonna get fucked hard post SB.

>>54249574
The downside is the life loss senpai.

>>54249619
Yeah such a downside nobody ever thinks twice about putting them in their decks.

>>54249664
People fetch basics against decks capable of punishing them.

>>54249574
The downside is paying 50€ for one fucking scalding tarn.

So whats the biggest blowout you have suffered that you thought was a sure thing?

> Playing Merfolk vs Hatebears, lose first game, win second game
>I have 3 lords, 2 Silvergills, Reejeery, by T4, only another Vial left in hand, opponent at 6 with his only plains spreading sea'd, and a Traben Inspector and Splicer in play
> I got this
> Guy taps the sea'd plain, sacs GQ to kill it, fetches a plain, plays another plain, taps out for Dusk/Dawn
> mfw
> Keep drawing lands and Aether Vials while he beats me down slowly

Oh well shit happens. Was some spicy tech though.

>>54250139

>Bant spirits vs eldrazi tron

>Beat face all game, counter pretty much everything, all is going fine

>He topdecks all is dust at 2 life

>sweeps the table, proceeds to kill me with reality smashers

And I had actually countered 1 all is dust before that game. Oh well.

>>54249594
Ah the classic "If you dont like it you must be bad" response. No, I just find Legacy ti be boring, Modern id better.

>>54250139
>playing jeskai flying men brew
>opponent playing elves has 3 life
>all he has is a single heritage druid and 5 lands
>I swing for the kill
>he has basically no outs
>right?
>casts coco
>finds 2x shaman of the pack
>taps them for mana, fires off a 2nd coco in response to etb triggers
>finds 2x shaman of the pack
>lose 20 life and fucking
I was tilted for a week

>>54251192
Not him but aren't you just memeing the same argument yourself with this whole Legacy hateboner series of posts

>>54249354
What would happen if they printed a card that acted like a land mine for hand attack. "If this card is revealed from your hand, target opponent reveals their hand. You may exile any nonland card from it." or something?

Would it see play? Would it solve the problem?

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>fetches crack for 3
>shock lands hurt for 5
>pain lands hit for 3

what changes?

>>54251566
Goblin guide gets banned

>>54248214
You mean I wouldn't have to spend ~$200 on lands alone just for the privilege of not playing mono-coloured?

>>54251484
>spooky ghost
>3WW
>4/4
>flying, protection from black
>whenever a spell or ability an opponent controls causes you to reveal your hand, you may reveal spooky ghost and place it onto the battlefield instead
Pls hire me wotc

>>54251932
>turn one thoughtseized
>4 4/4s on the battlefield
>attacking for 16 on turn 1

Could make it be a flag-bearer type ability instead, where you HAVE to pick that card if able.

>>54251192
I personally only find either format fun when both players are playing actual magic decks and not "lol turn 1 I win" cheesy faggotry

>>54251973
I mean, if you draw all 4 and your opponent just windmill slams that thoughtseize shit without a care in the fucking world, why not punish them?

It would definitely solve the whole hand hate problem when people are fucking terrified of spooky ghosts

>>54252011
>Hand hate problem
Nani?!

>>54252053
I prefer to call it the 'black has all the good interaction' problem

>>54252072
The way to solve that problem um is to give other colors good interaction not punish your opponent for daring to interact with you

>>54251973
I'm pretty sure multiple replacement effects can't happen like that, just one spooky ghost would fly out. GA where are you?

>>54252136
Yeah just one, same as with dredge replacing a draw.

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>>54249525
I mean, mental misstep is one of the most broken card ever printed...too strong even for legacy.
what could go even wrong
also, fits perfectly the DS decks

>>54251932
>>54251973
It's a replacement effect.
>~
>2WW
>Sorcery
>Create a 4/4 white Angel creature token with flying. If a spell or ability would allow an opponent to choose a card from your hand, that opponent must choose ~.
>Madness W

>>54252202
Should say 'if able' after the must choose clause

>>54252202
On second thought, clunky wording on the second clause.
>If a spell or ability an opponent controls would cause you to discard a card, you may discard ~ instead.

>>54252230
I wish the Wilt-Leaf Liege and Loxodon Smiter style cards already did that.

Seems obvious after the fact, maybe there wasn't a lot of actual targeted discard running around back then?

Just get them to add library of leng to modern. Boom, fixed for everyone.

>>54252366
Games just went longer more often, the drawback of discard being dead was far more meaningful than in modern now

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>>54232119

hey guys,
not sure if this is the right thread.
I just started playing MtG a few days ago because I like trading cards in general and I really like the egyptian setting auf amonkhet.

Today I bought some amonkhet booster and got Approach of the Second Sun. As mentioned, I'm still a noob so I have no real clue about power levels and such but isnt this card really powerful and or gamebreaking? It looks to me that after I played the card, my opponent has 7 turns to win the game or I win.

Can you clearify that for me?

>>54252399
Your opponent can likely win the game in those 7 turns. There's a good chance they can win it before you can even play that card.

>>54252399
It is good in Commander :^)

>>54252399
hi

approach the second sun can be a strong card with the right amount of library manipulation. unfortunately, 7 turns is a really long time in magic, so using it by itself isn't great.

here's an article with a deck that uses approach of the second sun and a second card, aetherworks marvel, to ensure that it can dig through it's deck to find the card again after it's played: https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/against-the-odds-solar-energy-standard

surviving long enough to cast it the first time becomes the hard part, but you can run a lot of removal or a lot of ramp to either protect yourself until you're at 7 mana or get to 7 mana faster.

this is only in regards to casual games because i'd argue that card is unplayable in any competitive setting. too slow and doesn't do enough.

welcome to mtg and enjoy your stay

>>54252202
I really dig this.

>some name
>(1)
>Artifact
>If a spell or ability an opponent controls would cause you to discard a card, exile that card instead. You may cast cards exiled this way.

Anyone every try to make a Faerie deck play almost like Merfolk?

Here's the list:

20lands
2x Island 2xSwamp
4x Polluted Delta 4x Watery Grave
3x Mutavault 4x Secluded Glen
1x Westvale Abbey

19 Other:
4x Thoughtsieze 3x Inquisition of Kozlilek
4x Aether Vial 3x Ancestral Vision
4x Bitterblossom 1x Sword of Light and Shadow (Feast/Famine maybe better? Might not even put a sword in with Scions giving shroud)

21 Creatures:

4x Spellstutter Sprite 4x Oona's Blackguard
4x Oona's Prowler 4x Scion of Oona
3x Vendilion Clique 2x Mistbind Clique

Havent got a sideboard down yet. So I guess the object of the deck is to disrupt you opponents game plan with discard (Thought/IoK/Situationally Oona's Blackguard), tempo with Spellstutter+Vendilion+Mistbind, and then just fly over them with buffed tokens (Scion+Blackguard) and cheap beaters in Prowler). Think it could work? Ill try to test this later but need to get the cards on MTGO or figure out how to work the free thingies.

>>54252099
>interaction to prevent interaction
Going down this line of though, the only way to stop T1 Thoughtseize is to have Mental Misstep in hand.

Going down the Loxodon Smiter route of free creatures is safer, but ideally, we'd go down the Aven Mindcensor route of reducing the information revealed.

>>54251639
More like burn gets banned

>>54251566

Me playing the game or not. In what world would anyone think this is fair or fun?

>>54252870
A word of warning: Bitterblossom is slow, and the Faeries package hasn't had many new tools to play with.
I would be careful about putting money in. Even a meta shift is unlikely to make the deck relevant.

>>54252424
>>54252464
>>54252514


I see, thanks guys!

I was asking because I wanted to know if I can play it in a casual deck. According to your answers, it should be ok.

>>54253092

Fair enough, might just test it on Cockatrice just for shits and gigs. I play Merfolk right now and I'm loving it, but there are weaknesses to the deck that look like Faeries cover better, but then again Faeries wouldn't be as fast as Merfolk.

>>54246629
>people constantly cry how standard doesn't get good removal anymore
>fatal push is printed
>people cry how the removal is so good that it kills older formats
Honestly I think that fatal push isn't a bad concept, it's just that black is already ridiculously strong. 3/5 CMC just got a whole lot better and black has the best high CMC cards simply because of delve.

>>54246629
Yeah I've seen a lot of fatal push on vintage
>Sarcasm

Birthing Pod should be unbanned purely because its Daarken art

>>54232119
Burn kind of proves you dont need to run Black. Its a RW deck that doesnt have fast colorless mana like Eldrazi or Affinity.

>>54253728

It would be nice. I opened 2 when new phyrexia dropped and never did anything with them

How long until Wizards run out of ideas and make an Eldrazi Sliver with Annihilator 1?

>>54254001

don't joke with that

>>54249399
yes if by get rid of you mean make it tier 0

>>54248838
what does a contemporary angel moon list look like?

Wizards just needs to reset the Modern ban list completely. Suspend the format for a month and come back.

when will they unban things instead of banning everything?

>inb4 GGT is unbanned again at some point

>>54252981
That's not what I said at all

>>54254514

I think SFM and Bloodbraid could come off no problem. T3 Batterskull and T4 BBE aren't as strong anymore. Much more crazy things going on.

>>54254514
Wizards are now in the mentality of "Modern isn't broken so there's no need to try and fix it". I can't see anything being unbanned in the foreseeable future even though Jace should be

>>54235366
Last time I went with my list minus chalices I went 2-2 at FNM. Hard aggro will be a challenge but in this meta it works pretty well.

>>54254001
>CC1
>1/1
>All slivers have annihilator 1

muh DICK

>>54254852
>1 mana for a 1/1 with Annihilator 1
Wow you just made the most powerful creature ever printed.

>>54254852
That should probably be 2<> at very least.

>>54254781
Did you go up against eldrazi tron? Im not so worried about ds and affinity, but at my lgs theres a coupple of decks floating around and im not sure how it would do

>>54255296
Board wipe into platinum or wurmcoil is the game plan like most of the time. Keep counters and a repeal for when they try to land reality smashers.

>>54254586
If a turn 2 4/4 thoughtseize is a ok then a turn 3 4/4 vigilance life link should be fine too

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>tfw haven't played MTG since Mercadian Masques and still have my cards and a few decks
>tfw they are probably outdated now because of power creep

I can't bring myself to sell them but I probably should.

>>54254341
Blood moon, a bunch of angels, ghostly prison, maybe chalice with simian package or maybe the bunch of white spells that prevent damage.

>>54255630
Any foil Brainstorms? :^)

>>54255767
Don't forget 4x maindeck Leyline of Sanctity.

>>54254341
I'd consider Moon, Leyline, Boros Charm, and Boom//Bust shenanigans curving into a Baneslayer Angel.

My alternate take at one point was Enchantress curving into Sigardas or Entreat the Angels. No LD however, more heavy reliance on Ghostly Prison and Sphere of Safety.

>>54254949
>>54255212
Maybe I should be more precise, but folks at my LGS usually call Colorless mana symbols with simply letter C.

>>54256226
It's still the most powerful creature ever printed. Make it do the Sliver shit and T1 Mutavault into your stupid card becomes the best play in like every format.

>>54256266
I just want slivers to not be a meme deck

i just bought into merfolk. how stupid am i?

>>54256451

I bought into bring to light scapeshift, so probably less stupid than me

>>54256465
>>54256465
>>54256465

new bread

>>54254528
Reiterate your point then. Magic either operates on either permanents or spells, and the only spell-on-spell interaction that stops T1 Thoughtseize is going to be something costing 0 mana.

This seems like a job for permanents to me.