Paizo Games General /pgg/

So I mainly run games on a group theme where every party member has to be a member of a particular organization.

How would /pfg/ feel about that style of game, everyone is required to build a character with a reason to be a member of the same government organization/mercenary company/expedition/etc. and basically throwing out the 'strange hodgepodge' style of parties. If I ran it for /pfg/ it would probably be a government organization.

>>54227559
Depends on the organization. I like groups with a reason to be together well enough, but the organization has to be something greater than "tax collectors" or "thieves" to really get my motor running. Something like spec ops team? Fantasy Gestapo? We'd have to have a reason to be different classes and good at combat.

>>54227559
I like PC's having connections to each other but I dislike forcing PC's to be apart of the same organization. I feel it just leads to PC's becoming way to samey.

I'm starting my 2nd PF game, building an optimized zen archer. Which traits should I get (2 are free)? I thought rich parents would be good, but my GM said I'll probably find a composite longbow in a dungeon. Is initiative worth boosting? Help me tame the paradox of choice.

>>54227716
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dVQA-uI740Hh8vq-zsnbHV6UwJg-4QKlpmkxBEmCdhA/edit?pli=1

>>54227716
Wisdom in the Flesh for acrobatics or something.

>Not just the dupethread with an anime OP to be nuked
>The old thread that was past bump limit on page 8 nuked as well

Wew lad.

>>54227763

it did have kitsune/cat anime op

>>54227696
>You think that, but it's all over. A Seducer Witch is laughing at you as she takes everything!
What did they mean by this?

>>54227763
I bet a Seducer Witch is behind this

>>54227763
same guy made both?

>>54227559

I'm massively in favor of it. The biggest issue in running games is believably getting the characters to work together without it seeming like a stretch. PF tends to do this with campaign feats, but I see absolutely nothing wrong with taking a stronger hand at doing it.

But I will tell you right now that /pfg/ and the cabal in particular fucking HATE that. They want the illusion that AAAANYTHING is allowed and chafe at strong direction. Expect to be shittalked mercilessly if you dare tell people what they can or cannot do with their characters in the least.

Does this look like a good profile for the "Healer Intern" I plan on offering my players (none of whom want to heal)?

https://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=1266426

He's not supposed to fight, he's just there to heal unless the players keep him in which case he gains combat powers

Question: I know nothing about Numeria's geography, would I be able to justify taking the Highlander trait for it? All I could find about it's geography was that it's mostly "windswept plains". But in the picture above that, it showed a fight in an area with craggy-looking hills, so I'm confused.

>>54227584
>>54227620
I was thinking of a few ideas. It would be a government task force formed for a particular issue. You were assigned to the task force from one of a few organizations inside the government, some military, some law enforcement, some research, etc. This includes specialists brought in. What you need is a skill set related to the issue the task force was formed for and a connection to the government to be assigned.

Also the setting is roughly 1850s technology.

>>54227784
Vult, is that you?
Jesus dude we just wanted to know a little more about the intended tone.

>>54227559
Its fine, so long as the organization is interesting.

>>54227811
And here I was thinking that was someone talking ABOUT Vult.

>>54227788
How are you going to explain a troll in your campaign to your players?

>>54227803
This works. I'm not a fan of the set up, but it works.

>>54227803
Please don't use Paizo's gun rules

>>54227788
Why isn't the healer intern a cute bullyable waifu?

>>54227829

Was Vult mean to somebody again?

>>54227788
Why are you using Troll are for a human?

>Onryou spoons with Aranha.
>They talk about meeting Aranha's parents.
>Onryou has a pet name for Aranha. (Snuggle Buddy)
>aranha doesn't like it when She calls her that name in front of the rest of the group.

Onryou X Aranha SUUUUPER confirmed.

>>54227908
dude chill with the ladyboner for five seconds jeez

>>54227903
He's always grumpy about something or someone, it just depends on what day and what circumstance.

>>54227863
>>54227904
I'll just photoshop out the horns and he can pass for human

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>>54227899

>>54227908
See
>>54227937

>>54227908
Stop jerking off in the thread for fucks sake.

>>54227903
>>54227829
>>54227811
Why the fuck are we talking about Vult

Vult has done nothing recently except app to Tuv's game.

We didn't even get a greentext of the spider golem fight.

>>54227973

aaaaaaaaaaa I want to make love to a spider golem!

>>54227973
because these retards can't stop jerking off to celebs

>>54227779
It's for you to figure out

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>>54227798
Anybody? If Numeria wouldn't be able to justify the Highlander trait, are there any other traits that give Stealth as a class skill?

Pic sort of related? It -is- stealth.

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So, beating a dead horse I'm aware, but it never really dawned on me how bad Kineticist is, so I decided to math out a 15 PB NPC Expert with basic NPC wealth specializing with the Longbow vs a 25 PB just to compare. Imagine my surprise when I found out that the Kineticist only really "outshines" the Expert when it's burning all of its ressources to do that. Give the Expert PC wealth and PB, and it clearly outdoes the Kinet, it's not even a contest. Even with a regular Haste, the NPC stats Expert potentially outdamages the Kineticist (admittedly with a much lower to hit however)

Not only that, but the Expert gets 6 + int skill points, light armor proficiency and Good will saves, all that without ever having to track anything more than your arrows. Does this say more about how bad Kineticist is, how broken Longbow damage is, or why I should have no faith in Starfinder being balanced?

>>54227798
My GM actually asked James Jacobs that in his Q&A thread and he said that Numerians actually do qualify if you're near the capital.

>>54227973
Because at least one of the posts you're responding to is a joke. The others might be taking it seriously but are made only in response to it and out of genuine confusion.

>>54227973

You didn't.

I did.

>>54228006
>Does this say more about how bad Kineticist is, how broken Longbow damage is

It says something we all know: Kineticist is fucking garbage without 3pp

>>54228006
Is this a copypasta? Because it sounds like a copypasta.

>>54228023
Oh, really? Huh. IIRC, Torch isn't close to the capital though. The Technic League practices though slavery, doesn't it? Might be able to justify it with my character growing up near the capital before he escaped.

I honestly want a piracy game so bad.

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>>54228081
You and me both, amigo.

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>>54228081
Privateers!

>>54228081
run one

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>>54228100
b/u/caneers!

>>54228101
but I don't want to gm another game.

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>>54228081
What makes you crave this? What are you looking for in such a game? Surely not ship combat.

>>54228039
No I'm actually autistic and typed it all out by myself because it's Saturday night, I'm lonely and I have nothing better. I don't wanna go to work tomorrow.

I miss Homebrew Request Anon. He never did finish that extract injection veil, which is a damn shame.

>>54227993
Is this bullying? Are you bullying her?

>>54228121
I love the aesthetic and idea of traveling the world, shit like one-piece.

Pathfinder's ship combat rules are bad

Other than Crossblooded Sorcerer, what's the best way to be a blaster focused on lightning damage?

>>54228129
Which one? There were like three.

>>54227763

I don't get why the other thread was nuked. It's timestamp said it was made first.

>>54228156
Because it was anime shit.

>>54228146
I asked roughly the same thing for Iron Gods earlier, the general answer was to take Blood Havoc.

>>54228149
The one who... Did the extract injection veil, muscle memory feats, and most importantly short skirt style feats ? He was the only memorable one, as the only thing I remember about any other guy was the shitty formatting.

>>54228146
spheres of power

How the fuck does the gaseous generation SoP talent work? It says you can turn air into any substance you can create, and based on the text you can turn it into solids as well. is this intentional, because either it's outrageously OP or it's completely useless until CL 10

>>54228163

And? OPs image is a video game. It's not like it's more relevant.

>>54228156
The janny's not fond of anime OPs.

>>54228176
Which sphere's it from?

>>54228184
Anime is shit tho.

>>54228038
Playing a game of Curse with friends and he's playing some support Kineticist archetype with stuff like the Aether's shield and the ability to lift really heavy objects, and at least in that respect he's been incredibly useful.

>>54228200
creation. it's in the creation sphere handbook playtest in the sticky

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>>54228166
>>54228175
Can a Sphere Sorc take Blood Havoc for destruction blasts?

>>54228230
with GM approval, yes

>>54228230
If you really wanna do cool amounts of electric damage, an electrokineticist elementalist is cool

>>54228218
Hmmm.

Yeah, looks a little bit shaky.

Only thing that looks off though is the 'changing things into other things' bit, since that's not a default part of creation, that's the Change Material talent.

If you assume it works as Change Material (Which it may well do, things are in playtest for a reason) then the change will only last for a round per level by default.

Also, note that it's a spell point to work with gases at all, IN ADDITION to any other SP the effect might require. So it's kinda pricey.

>>54228176
>>54228218
I really don't see what's OP about turning air into a solid material when... the rest of creation sphere lets you make solid materials out of nothing?

>>54228302
See that's what I'm thinking.

But looking at the ability, it does have the 'change one thing into another' line with no word on SP costs or duration or anything, and has zero mention of the talent that normally lets you turn things into other things.

I've left a note on it in the doc, but jeezus H christ is this playtest actually still going? There's comments here from november last year.

So when it comes down to it, who is better:
DEX monk with Jabbing Style, or STR monk with Dragon Style?

>>54228291
Put a comment in the book pointing this out, then. The authors tend to address comments reasonably often.

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>>54228352
Build them and test the numbers.

>>54228302
combine that with the drawback that lets you only lets you alter and you basically get creation back with gas manipulation for free

Also, you're not supposed to be able to create smoke or water vapor until you're at CL5, but if you can turn air to soot or water droplets then you can just create those anyway. Unless lvl 5 is when you can create aerosols, in which case what does that mean for other colloids. Can you not create foams without this talent? Can you not convert solids or liquids into gels or emulsions?

Also, what does "harmful gasses" mean? Can you even use acidic creation with this before CL 10? Is pepper spray harmful? I mean smoke can choke and blind people

>>54228334
Creation handbook has been pushed back to give the author more time to work on it. Mind is next, followed by Life.

>>54228437
fuck, I'm just going to have to house-rule it.

Unrelated, but when was the last time Rich Burlew wrote a supplement? I didn't even realize he wrote that dungeon book until a few months after I bought it when he poked fun at the acid-breathing sharks

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>>54228230
>Someone else plays FE Heroes
Using Heroes art instead of Granblue or Grand Order art is the new meta, starting NOW!

>>54228548
Basically nobody used F/GO art though other than that one dude from ensoulment.

WotR has two days left. Anyone planning last minute apps?

>>54228548
I probably wouldn't use FE art for my own character unless it was such a literally who that I was confident I wouldn't be called out for it

>>54228586
yep

>>54228586
Might finish mine if I have time.

How autistic of a pirate game would /pfg/ want? Like, do you really want to deal with rounds, articles of agreement, letters of marque and reprisal, pirate punishments such as keelhauling, whaling/slave trading/commerce in general/fishing, divving booty up into shares, pirate myths and politics?

How modern would you want it? Muskets or revolvers?

Would you want Hero Points, Gestalt or Mythic as options?

>>54228629
>How autistic of a pirate game would /pfg/ want? Like, do you really want to deal with rounds, articles of agreement, letters of marque and reprisal, pirate punishments such as keelhauling, whaling/slave trading/commerce in general/fishing, divving booty up into shares, pirate myths and politics?
Maximum autism.

>How modern would you want it? Muskets or revolvers?
Muskets

>Would you want Hero Points, Gestalt or Mythic as options?
Hero points, no gestalt, no mythic, but put it at somewhere around level 4-6. Also some enhanced version of anti-hero because as is it's too weak. Also give out hero points a bit more often.

>>54228629
Ever being on a boat invokes the curse of the black swordsman.

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>>54228548
>not using superior art of yaoi swords

>>54228629
You know, this brings up a good question: which class is best suited to being shot out of a cannon as a viable tactic?

>>54228629
As autistic as possible. When we capture merchant ships I want to know how much flour, carpets and barrels of oil there are!
Dont care, just want cutlass and sails
No gestalt. Dont care about the others.

>>54228629
Look man as the One Piece buildposter I just want to play a tabletop game set in that kind of world.

>>54228672
Dwarven invulnerable rager barbarian.

>>54228612
>>54228619

What are you making anons? I don't think the current line up is strong enough that some good apps couldn't get in.

>>54228629
Just do what feels right

would rpefer not gestalt

>>54228682
oh, that was you? How would you make kaku since you can't make a human lycanthrope with a huge animal

>>54228690
why would I give you my QUALITY idea early?

I will only say that it is probably more fitting for IG, but that game isn't gestalted and I was making this one first so don't care.

>>54228690
I'm still finishing up my Techslinger wizard.

>>54228629
No, I still want Sky Pirates. We were promised Sky Pirates but never got Sky Pirates.

>>54227559
I personally fucking love that to death. I've always wanted to run or play in some games where everyone is assumed to be of the same organization, and get a few feats or class features to support that, or a pseudo-gestalt type game, say if you're all assassins, you all get assassin class features every second level, or stuff like that. Or everyone even plays the same class but with different archetypes and builds, like a group of cavalier knights.

There's a lot you can do with it and K think it could be really fun, but sadly many don't seem to like it when push comes to shove and they actually have to come up with real characters for it.

>>54228747
I'd be ok with sky pirates but i kind of like the sea air...

>>54228747
The problem with sky piracy is that it is tempting to do a more steampunk/dieselpunk/magitech setting.

>>54228747
If I wasn't a shit GM, I'd run a campaign that was loosely inspired by Granblue's setting with a Romance of the Three Kingdoms or Warring States of Japan feel. Floating islands, skyships, bunch of clans fighting for supremacy, big primals/monsters summoned by clans, huge empire looking to take over during the chaos, ruin plundering.

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>>54228767
Maybe if we fly in one of these.

>>54227559
>>54227584
I played in a CoC game where we were paet of the ATF. It doesn't sound like much, but it was fun as shits, investigating the area. Imagine playing as an ATF-team of Taldor, Cheliax or Andoran. I'd love that.

>>54228760
Sky Pirates with one arc were the ship's flight engine is busted and the party is forced to sail across the ocean to the only place in the nation where they can get it repaired?

>>54228767
Yeah, but I could live with doing those if it's Sky Pirates. Also isn't there a 3PP supplement for steampunk games? I remember seeing some special materials for weapon and armor.

>>54228715
Oh god, build posts for Zoans is legitimately a nightmare I'd hope to never revisit, trying to figure out what all to do with Chopper was bad enough what with having to basically invent the deer lycanthrope. With Kaku's size increase I legitimately think the only way I could make it work would be to make part of his gestalt be a Barbarian that either has an archetype or some kind of rage power that makes him size large when raging.

Something like that exists, right? I'm not out of my mind? If that does not, in fact, exist then my go-to for size increasing of the self is what I did with Luffy and go Synth-Summoner but with only self-buffing spells (and anything that could be refluffed as just being strong enough to just straight up influence the terrain)

>>54228690
What do you mean 'lineup'? There're no people already in game.

>>54228002
It says 'raised in rugged badlands or hill', so I'd say yes.

You ever just feel like you don't fit in with the /pfg/ crowd, but also not with any other group because nobody else uses good 3pp stuff?

>>54228829

The lineup of apps is not that impressive. And there are not that many. Once schedules are considered I think that there is still a really good chance for anyone to get in.

>>54228797
but my concept kind of sucks with sky pirates... But maybe i could use another

>>54228840
Welcome to hell, kid.

>>54228803
Maybe instead of making him bigger you add the young template to the giraffe so its only large.

Come to think of it. the real issue is how you handle his reach and pasta machine

I DRANK GIVE ME SOMETHING TO APPLY TO DRANK.

>>54228840
I feel like that for all of 4chan, and have for years. Actually it's like that for every site. 4chan's too dickish, tumblr's too gay, deviantart is too autistic, reddit's too... actually reddit was probably the best. I'm probably still famous on the jojo subreddit for that whole invisible zombie jesus incident

>>54228840

Most of PFG is garbage I agree. But I've run into a few cool people, it's like any group where you need to just sort out the trash. The only difference is at least the trash of PFG isn't tumblr tier.

Three ideas for games:
>PCs are fucked over by the main villain by being sent to earth under the assumption that they can never get back. Earth now being just post WWI in golarion's setting.

>PCs are sent to a space prison colony beyond Aucturn, the Stranger that's just a massive collection of derelict ships policed by a single ancient void wendigo

>the PCs are all in the City of the Faceless on the moon and are participating in politics between the bullshit actual immortal azlantian super villains who rule the city, the half demons who want resources from the faceless, and the hyper poor who live in the worm tunnels

>>54228941
>>54228950
It's not even that /pfg/ or 4chan is too autistic or rude or whatever. It's that it feels like there's a flow to the people and conversations here that I can never really seem to jive with. I just feel out of place.

>>54228956
honestly these all sound rather boring

>>54228883
If I recall correctly Kaku never actually went into full Giraffe form, and in the anime I don't think he went any bigger than Large either in lycan mode so if I put him at level 8 or 9 that shouldn't be a problem with the Synth Summoner route, as I can just buy the "large" eidolon power. Going this route I can also easily buy the Reach power for a measly 1 point and apply it to his head after also buying Gore for 2. At level 9 this would consume 7 out of the 13 evolution points spent, and that's assuming he didn't spend any feats to get more points.

Heck, given how hard the CP9 fights were I might just build them at level 10 to show how strong they really were.

>>54228971
>>54228956
I agree nothing lewd/cute so I can't really summon up any interest.

>>54228956
#2

>>54228989
Honestly they just lack any sort of kick, its just 'setting', these plots don't interest me or grab me.

>>54229003
>>54229002
Here is some expanded shit on #2. I posted it before.

>game concept
>begins at level 3
>every player must be a criminal in some manner, a criminal terrible enough to warrant removal from society
>players start out having been teleported to a prison colony
>prison colony is the domain of a Void Wendigo, who acts as the warden in exchange for a steady supply of prisoners to consume and torment
>the colony is a massive number of vessels (since they are magical they range from floating castles, actual spaceships, islands, featureless orbs) floating in the void
>Void Wendigos attack anything that goes by, so they collect massive ship graveyards
>it's somewhere out beyond the edge of the Aucturn, the Stranger
>players have to participate in gang politics, numerous cell blocks infighting, avoiding the void wendigo, tribal like cultures, weird pockets of people trying to be civilized, the strange ecology that's developed, and more
>at the center of it there are the wardens and guards who ensure no one gets out

Game would be about survival and possibly trying to mount an escape.

>>54228879
Sea Air =/= No sky pirates. There are oceans below. There are ships that may even dive below the clouds to use the ocean as a way to avoid the eye of the government.

What if what is below the clouds is scarier than what is above?

>>54228797
You can nick a few things from 3.x as well if you wanted. It wouldn't be hard to do.

>>54228981
he went into full giraffe form by accident the first time he used it, causing the ceiling to collapse. I think that probably means he's huge.

The thing is, his pasta machine attack is a very specific reach. He reduces the reach of his slam attack to increase the reach of his hoof and sword attacks

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>>54228682
Done and done. It stacks with Invulnerable Rager.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UN2DjgzxTdhbjs8Mbaso8I1fA9I4sKXItQpiKOUnhk8/edit?usp=sharing

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Help me design a Privateer campaign premise.
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdIUbLQiTgA2qZHV4wY9VP2uwgqoX7AcepWmGP6CGXKJOhCDw/viewform

>>54229022
i dunno the sky pirates stuff kind of makes my weather magery idea less fun

>>54229031
>help me design

Come on dude, just fucking let me search for treasure.

even skulls and shackles is actually good

>>54228956
you forgot the PCs being mwangi natives that worship Walkena and are trying to get white men out of the country.

According to the wiki, there are mwangi elves and dwarves too so the racial makeup of the group can be a little more diverse. When in doubt of who could be doing the removing, remember the 1% rule.

>>54229026
Remind me, what was the "pasta machine" attack again? Was the the one where he bundled up himself into a box and wiggled his arms until things happened?

>>54229030
Hilarious

Which games would you all like the most?
>comfy knights in molthune who take care of the land and eventually CRUSADE
>lewd fluffy tails that kyoot and do lewd things while lewding it up
>DRAGONS! Everyone is a dragon! Will you be benevolent or tyrannical!?
>Titty vikings!

>>54229068
i honestly hate all of these :^)

>>54229068
Molthune
The once and future bamboozle.

>>54229068
honestly all much better than this fuck face's shit ideas >>54229003 >>54228956

>>54229037
Well, what is your idea?

Anyone else have a good time running rape games? Pretty much my entire table is running barbarians including me as a gmpc and the weekly game basically consists of me (the DM), introducing a female Npc and then we all take iniative and end up raping her. We've done lots of different scenarios and one time two of the players even raped a cat that was the girls pet

>>54229091
meant to quote >>54229018

>>54229031
The first question was required such that there is no option to say that you don't want any of the options

>>54229094
legit i just want a fun pirate romp, i'd be fine with literally skulls and shackles.


Or a cantha campaign

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>>54229097

>>54229097
>just fiating in a girl
>not pillaging her village and claiming all the women as spoils

Do you even barbarian?

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>>54229068
I don't like any of these ideas but I guess dragons I dislike the least because I already have a gestalt Paladin//True Dragon (DSP) character made.

>>54229105
Should be fixed now.

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>>54229068

RIP Molthune knights

>>54229109
That's a good idea. Maybe we'd have to find mercenaries to help us since it's a whole village. In return they'd want something. More treasure than we have from raping so we'd have to go on a quest that leads to some strange monster girl we can rape

Would you rather:

>Monster Hunter style kill all the big things campaign where monster parts can be used in gear crafting

>Privateer/Pirates game that starts with Skull&Shackles or Serpent's Skull and diverges into some golarion freedom for exploration

>Lamashtan cult/cosmic or body horror urban campaign involving themes of transcendence of flesh

>urban organized crime campaign involving the building of a guild/gang with a focus on gang warfare/politics and law enforcement

>>54229140
pirates or urban.

aaaaaa

>>54229140
The cult game but on the side of the cult busters.

>>54229136
>be barbarian
>negotiate over tea and crumpets with mercs
>agree to give them all your women and plunder if they help you get it
>spread your cheeks for them too so they can rape you

Just kill the mercs when you are done dude. FFS.

>>54229140
I like rape themed games

>>54229066
No that was *two syllables I don't remember*-kaku. Pasta machine was the one where he sucked in his neck and accidentally redistributed that mass to his limbs

Christ man, I forgot about the cube thing. Kaku has the second most forms of any zoan and he only had it for an hour. When he shows up in with a CP-0 dispatch I expect to be blown the fuck away unless Oda fucks him up like he did Chopper. Stussy isn't Kalifa's alter-ego is she? I just would find it hilarious if Kalifa of all people was the one posing as the queen of sex-trafficking

>>54229140
Monster Hunter for sure.
Which MH though?

>>54229140
I would sacrifice my first born for a Monster Hunter campaign, you don't even know. I have the contracts written up for the first willing fey to sign away the little fucker.

>>54229140
How much is #3 actually Dead Space?

>>54229140
>Privateer/Pirates game that starts with Skull&Shackles or Serpent's Skull and diverges into some golarion freedom for exploration

>urban organized crime campaign involving the building of a guild/gang with a focus on gang warfare/politics and law enforcement

These two

>>54229166
Raping random women and animals doesn't give much loot. We mostly just have pelts and stuff. Still level 1 cos all we've killed is a few cats in between rapes.

>>54229183
You guys are the worst barbarians ever. I bet you didnt even keep some of the bones to wear as trophies

>>54229140
Urban crime sounds dope, it would give a bunch of stuff time to shine that otherwise would be kind of lame. Like half of the Vigilante class.

>>54229140
Like I said, give me DURARARA with dat urban crime

>>54229169
Oh right that guy. Yeah I have no idea what I'd do to build something like that guy, what a freak.

As much as I'd like to see her again, I hope CP-0 consists of more than just old CP-9 within its ranks, it would feel a bit cheap if all that's changed is the title of their number.

>>54229197
I think we're just playing rapists rather than barbarians, you're right, I think we may need to adventure

>>54229222
The least you could do is form a bandit camp or stake out a decent road. Rob and rape the people traveling. You will get treasure that way too. Or at least gold and goods.

>>54229140
I would absolutely love a MH style campaign. Particularly if the town you're based out of has some intrigue elements to it.

>>54229248
I'll talk to the party and try to convince them that if we level up we'll be able to rape more than just women and cats. Idk if they're gonna go for it though they all seem to enjoy the game. We all get boners and Jack each other off while we describe the rapes.

>>54229220
to be fair, the three other guys we saw on dressrosa didn't look like CP9. The biggest one didn't have kumadori's shoulder and the normal one probably wasn't Bruno or Jabara unless they got a major hairstyle change

>>54229262
At least you smell like barbarians.

Greetings /pgg/, After 2 years of falling for me theme and full attacking everything as a Fighter Yes, I fell for the meme. I can retire my character and roll something else.

What would you recomend to a man who knows nothing more than full attacking, but is eager to try new things and be useful for once? Maybe even be a little broken at the other end of the spectrum.

>>54228352
STR Unchained monk with Dragon Style.

Hits much harder and more often, especially if they take Ki Power Haste. Tack on Ki Power Barkskin along with and they become much harder TO hit as well, especially if you add Furious Defense Ki power.

>>54229331
Unchained Monk. Zweihander Warlord. Wizard.

>>54229140
>>54229140

Elaborations on the above posts.

>Monster Hunter
This game would be a higher point buy, potentially Gestalt. Some old 3.x things would be making a comeback for item crafting purposes (for example, eventually Weapons of Legacy progressions). There would be a subsystem for progressing a weapon/armor/etc based on creatures killed for example - ie. older dragons give better quality materials. The goal is for heroes to go hunt big fucking things and get big fucking rewards.

>Pirates
This would involve hero points, increasing firearm availability, and a more lengthy look at nautical travel. Government interference will be visible - via privateers to navies and pirate hunters. Inspiration will be drawn from historical piracy, whaling/fishing etc., Herman Melville/Coleridge/etc. to help round out the edges that paizo left jagged. Eventually there will be less restraints - if you want to be the Scourge of Minkai go right ahead. You want to go shack up with some Ulfen wenches, you can do that too.

>Cosmic/Body Horror
Lower/Average point buy. Potential for mythic to be involved. Potentially a test of alternative crafting system for gear. It'll likely be based in a modified Andoran. Religious inspirations may be taken - though the primary influence will be Lamashtan /Lovecraftian.

>Urban/Crime
Least special of the bunch. Averagish point buy, no additional systems. You'd start a bit higher than rusty dagger shanktown, but you're still bottom of the barrel. Your city is huge, the gangs are plenty and the full force of the law will be breathing down your ass ranging from buddy cops to the Raid/Dredd depending on your actions. Or maybe you want to be one of them? Expect convoluted storylines and grey morality abound. This is the one where you find conspiracy theories can be true. Inspiration will come from non-fiction accounts of various gangs, Cormac McCarthy/Ashbury works and some western motifs.

>>54229331
Swashbuckler. Two words.
>Charmed
>Life

>>54229331
You have a campaign? What's allowed? Wizard will always be the answer, but depending on what you're allowed, there might be a few others. Starting level?

>>54229371
I'd play all of those.

>>54229361
Thanks for the suggestions, will look on that Monk right away.

>>54229373
I'm not falling for memes again

>>54229376
Yes, not exacly sure on the limitations but at least DSP was allowed. Starting lvl 11 since I'll be picking up where my old character left off.

>>54229371
God, that MH campaign is making me moist already anon.

>>54229371
Oh yes, I would most definitely love the fuck out of that MH campaign.

>>54229421
>>54229440
Its sadly the most work to set up. Easiest is Pirates because you are only adding onto to an existing adventure path. I've previously run campaigns similar to the Lamashtan and Urban campaigns.

Is there a spell that would let me float a handful of small gems, and then move them around relatively quickly in different directions?

>>54229659
>>54229666
Nice
Magehand, probably/

>>54229413
DSP has some stuff that doesn't full attack. Some of the POW stuff, if you choose to use it in that fashion. It's not optimal, but it can still hold its own without being optimal, honestly. Most martials are full attack types. Trip builds require no flight and mostly humanoid things to really be good, I think. I dunno. Look into Path of War.

>>54229688

4chan lied and said the post didn't go through, weird.

Magehand is a much weaker version of what I'm looking for (can't have more than one, can only move small distances, moves pretty slowly).

>>54229712
I mean, the much higher level Telekinesis.

>>54228956
>PCs are fucked over by the main villain by being sent to earth under the assumption that they can never get back. Earth now being just post WWI in golarion's setting.

Isn't that the plot of Rasputin Must Die?

>>54229649
That's unsurprising. It's got me moister than an oyster, but I would completely understand if nobody wanted to run it, what with the work that would go into it.

>>54229729
kind of? You're more sent there to kill rasputin so he can't become a god

>>54229649
Why do all the best things in life have to be so hard?

>>54229747
Oh no, I'm doing this to gauge interest at the moment. I've just finished moving, and haven't had time to transfer the 3.x books onto my comp off the hard drive. The amount of work in revising is small. It would more or less be the fact that there is no framework to begin on.

>>54229262
I'm just really into pegging.

>>54229776
Well, I'd be interested in any of them.
MH>gangs>pirates>body horror

>>54229907
Is there anything in particular you would like to see?

>>54230046
MH is pretty straight-forward teamwork killing something much larger than we are.

With crime, it would be nice to do things like extortion, backstabbing, climbing the ladder. If we're criminals, some kind of grand betrayal in which we go out in a cocaine-fueled blaze of glory would be fitting, though if we're on the side of law, more investigations and untwisting of something more complex than it originally seems.

Pirates are pirates. Sailing the seas, taking what we can within reason, since we don't want to call down the government on our heads. Dealing with creatures of the deep could be interesting, and use of some aquatic races might be neat.

Body horro is very lovecraft, and I don't know that I like how PF does insanity rolling. High magic also kinda plays against the more "magic is fucking weird and occult and using it breaks your mind" aspects of that sort of thing, so I'd be interested to see how it's played, though I have no clue what I'd really expect.

>>54229371
I'd like pirates!

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>>54228794
>THIS IS THE ANDORAN REGULATORY BUREAU OF ASSAULT MAGIC, ALCHEMICAL REAGENTS AND FIREARMS, OPEN UP!

I want to play a government agent of ARBAMARF right fucking now.

>>54228767
I think sky piracy would be more interesting WITHOUT the Steampunk or Dieselpunk. Just remove seas. Place everything on a fractured planet where everything past a certain elevation is just covered in increasingly hot steam/clouds.

Floating islands style on a lolhueg "planet".

>>54230263
Not
>alchemical reagents
>thaumaturgic components
>fireballs staffs
>no fantasy ATF bad guys kicking down honest, hard working merc's doors and shooting dogs
>they sell crossbows to orcs then pretend to arrest them
>secretly support voodoo necromancers in the southern jungles.
It writes itself.

>>54230263
GO AWAY, THIS IS A FREE COUNTRY! ((..if I want to make bombs in my own damn home, that's my own damn right! How could I know they were going to bomb the Chelaxian embassy?))

>>54230263
>blast the door off its hinges
>nonlethal strikes knocking out motherfuckers left and right as they scramble to flush the harlot sweets into the sewers
>39 arrests. 50 kilos of spell components and 4 crates of double hackbuts confiscated

"All in a goddamn day's work."

>>54230263
ARTICLE 4 FREE INHABITANT.

>>54230295
The best part is that Andoran is practically Fantasy Not!USA, so you could have plots involving other agencies setting up shit that other agencies think are real, and the whole "This is a free country! You guys are worse than fucking Cheliax!" is a real thing. You could even make ARBAMARF a new agency that many question or know nothing about, and that many would consider the first signs of Andoran descending into despotism, etc.

Pulling from American revolutionary war/civil war tropes, the settlement/colonization era Little House on the Prarie tropes, as well as 60's-90's-era ATF/FBI/CIA shenanigans and just put it all in the fantasy world of a fledgling Andoran really does make it write itself.

It could be hilarious without being too silly, and serious without getting utterly boring. Door Kickers: The Fantasy Game.

>>54230321
I'M A FREE INHABITANT! I'M A FREE INHABITANT! I BET YOU WOULDN'T DO THIS IF I WAS PART OF PARLIAMENT! I PAY YOUR WAGES! I PAID FOR THAT UNIFORM!

YOU CAN'T TAKE THAT, I GREW THOSE HERBS MYSELF FOR LEGITIMATE WIZARDRY! I DON'T NEED A FUCKING PERMIT, I'M A FREE INHABITANT!

I'M SORRY, OK, I'M SORRY! I THOUGHT THIS WAS A FREE COUNTRY! I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT THIS WAS ANDORAN, I THOUGHT THIS WAS A FREE COUNTRY! I'M SORRY, APPARENTLY THIS IS CHELIAX!

>>54230399
I WAS TRAVELING NOT TELEPORTING THIS IS BULLSHIT

RAPE
RAPE
RAPE

So, if you were offered a free archetype (i.e one that stacks on top of your class without replacing anything), which archetypes for what class are the most 'fun' to use?

>>54230656
If I take SedWitch or some other casting stat/core stat replacer arch, what happens? Do Normal+Scalefist Monks get both Charisma and Wisdom to AC?

>>54230656
depends on the class. Most of the traditional 'good' archetypes would still be picked because they are functional at least. For the lousier ones, not replacing basic features makes it slightly better.

With all that said, for any given class with the initiator archetype, pick the initiator archetype.

>>54230656
>Rubato without losing anything
My dick can only get so hard, anon.

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>>54230881
You don't need to remind us, I've never met an Elf I've wanted to lewd.

>>54230739
Pick your highest stat and use that.

I want to redesign how DSP's Mystic gets maneuvers, and I want to keep some element of randomness without making it totally random the way it is now. Does this seem workable...?

"A mystic begins an encounter with all her readied maneuvers unexpended, regardless of how many times she might have already used them since she chose them. When she initiates a maneuver, she expends it for the current encounter, so each of her readied maneuvers can be used once per encounter (unless she recovers them, as described below).

Whenever the Mystic meditates in order to ready maneuvers, she must divide her readied maneuvers into at least two groups, but no more groups than their initiation modifier. The groups do not need to have the same number of maneuvers, but the mystic cannot have a group containing only one maneuver. The mystic must distribute all of their maneuvers into groups.

As a standard action, the Mystic may select on of its groups of maneuvers in order to recover one maneuver at random from those in the group. Alternatively, as a full-round action, the Mystic may spend a point of Animus to select any one group of maneuvers and recover all maneuvers in that group, up to a maximum number equal to their initiation modifier (the Mystic selects which maneuvers in this group are recovered)."

This is a rough idea, but do you think it works? It keeps an element of randomness that fits the class' flavor, but also allows a player to mitigate the randomness somewhat in how they choose to group their maneuvers. There's a certain amount of strategic choices that can be made in regards to how you group your maneuvers. Also, I'm not really certain whether the standard action recovery should involve getting to pick a maneuver from a random group or getting a random maneuver from a selected group.

Thoughts?

What is the most useful level 2 spell you can think of? The strongest to add to your list of prepared spells

>>54231574
Web
Glitterdust
Create Pit
Levitate

>>54230422
Sir, sir.. SIR! I'm going to have to ask you to step out of the cart, this is not a species thing, I assure you, some of my best friends are half-orcs, there's no need to make this ugly-, I mean, not that half-orcs are ugly or anything, I apologize if I caused any offen- HOLY SHIT IS THAT A WAND GET ON THE GROUND! GET. ON. THE. GROUND!

>>54230422
AM I BEING DETAINED? AM I BEING DETAINED? AM I BEING DETAINED?

>>54231574
Give us context if you're going to ask a question like that. Different spells do different things and some are going to be more useful for certain situations. So what situation(s) do you need it for?

>>54231653
I'm trying to augment my bard spell list for WotR

>>54231661
You posted your Eidolon sheet twice, by the way. Both of them go to Rigsby.

>>54231763
mis-link?

Also, can you get Masterwork Stiletto Boots? Is there any way to remove the improvised penalty?

>>54231960
IIRC there's a trait that removes the penalty for improvised weapons and gives you +1 to hit.

Is it better for a tiefling to know infernal or abyssal?

>>54231989
>https://pastebin.com/JLu5xXML
Surprise Weapon gives +2 but the improvised penalty is still -4

That the best I can do? Masterwork Stiletto Boots plus the trait?

If anyone cares.
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/82996/from-the-other-end-of-heaven

>>54231996
Depends what you're summoning / where your campaign is working? I'd say Infernal is generally more useful because Devils are more amenable to making deals, generally speaking.

>>54231960
>>54231989
>>54232014
Ah, I was thinking of Rough and Ready, which comes with a limitation that it has to be a "tool of your trade" which might be hard to swing with stilettos. Maybe a professional dominatrix?

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/traits/equipment-traits/rough-and-ready

But, I also just found another trait called Humble Beginnings which would let you count as having Catch Off-Guard (the feat that removes the improvised weapon penalty) for a specific weapon of your choice from a list of choices- and boots are on the list.

>>54232021
Oops, I forgot to link the other trait I was talking about.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/traits/regional-traits/humble-beginnings-varisia-smaller-settlements

>>54227559

I've done this before, because the party was a group of independent misfits that would never work together otherwise. The setup was that they had to join a guild to be treated as citizens and have basic rights, but being foreigners, they had to work for acceptance. By the time the party was afforded some freedom to do as they wanted, they had developed some common goals and understandings. Directing them is like herding cats, but at least they're loyal to one another now.

10/10 would recommend. It provides strong reason to work together and immediate goals. Especially at the start of a campaign where character development and world knowledge are both weak. Just be explicit with the players that that's what you plan to do, so they can make characters that work with the idea.

>>54232016
>text only
Woo!

>>54231556
>Turning maneuver recovery from a free action to a standard action

You just removed everything that made the recovery method good.

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>>54232016
>https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/82996/from-the-other-end-of-heaven

>50 PB

>>54232302
Read the rule adjustments if you think 50PB is a lot.

>>54227559
I think it could be fun, but it really depends on the organization in question. Even just saying "a government organization" is still somewhat open-ended, since it doesn't touch on which nation's government we're talking about and besides that there's a big difference between (just as examples) the government's police force and the government's royal guard and the government's official clergy/organized state religion.

But if you were going to ask for my opinion, a Specter (Mass Effect) or Delta Green (Call of Cthulhu)-esque organization in Ustalav dedicated to dealing with monstrous activities as covertly as possible would be swank.

>>54232214
What are you talking about? Mystics don't "recover" maneuvers as a free action, they're not allowed to use the maneuvers they readied until they've been randomly allowed to. It's not a good recovery method, it's a huge pain in the ass for both the character and the player.

Besides, having an option to regain one maneuver as a standard or several as a full round action is more standard for initiators, isn't it?

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>>54232317
The rules adjustments just make it worse!

>>54232359
Are you complaining that it's too high powered or...?

>>54232359
Why?

>>54232335
Um, yes. If X is their total pool of readied maneuvers, they start battle with X-3, two of which are pre-chosen.
Every turn, for free, they get another one.
After they got them all, they immediately recover X-3 for free again, with another 2 nonrandom chosen at the time.

It's very good because you can be using a strike+boost combo every turn and never have to stop to recover, unlike a Bushi, who will slowly run down if they go through their maneuvers at that rate.

And no, Standard or Full Round is not the standard.
The weakest recovery methods are the ones where you use up the actions for attacking that turn, because that's a turn in battle when you're not doing your main job.
That's why base Stalker is seen as the worst, and Zealot the second worst before it got buffed to Move action.
A standard action doing nothing but recovering one maneuver is fuck awful. All initiators except bushi have that as their rarely used backup option. And it's not even random for them.

>>54232369
>>54232394
Yes! I'm saying it's too strong! TOO STRONG!

>>54232369
>>54232394
As a bystander in this conversation:

tl;dr

I don't want to keep track of a hundred tiny edge case rules on top of base pathfinder.
Split them up into Major and Minor changes.

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>>54229371

I had an extremely basic version of Monster Hunter crafting rules.

Basically, if you could harvest the corpse of the creature you just killed within one minute, you would get 1/4 of their XP reward as GP Credit for weapons, armor and gear crafting materials.

Specific enchantments would have custom requirements from certain monsters.

>>54232016
Jesus christ, all those "rules adjustments". Autistic much?

>>54232467
>It's very good because you can be using a strike+boost combo every turn and never have to stop to recover, unlike a Bushi, who will slowly run down if they go through their maneuvers at that rate.

I don't understand. A Mystic has X maneuvers ready, but most of them are withheld at the start of combat. The maneuvers stop being withheld one by one, at random, but they still don't have more readied maneuvers than anybody else, right? If they use a strike and a boost every turn, they're eating up two maneuvers per turn and only getting one back each turn (until there are no more withheld maneuvers left, in which case they lose all their maneuvers and the whole system resets).

If a Mystic has 9 readied maneuvers but only starts with 3 of them immediately available, how can that be better than someone else starting combat with 9 readied maneuvers that are all immediately available no matter what rate the Mystic's other maneuvers stop being withheld?

>>54232521
>>54232600
Figured, I'll group them by importance.

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>>54232016
>https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/82996/from-the-other-end-of-heaven

>Pirates campaign
>mfw

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>>54232016
>text only
>unwelcoming to new players
Into the trash it goes!

>>54232629
Every campaign is text around here though.

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>>54232016

I'm not sure what to make of this game at all. The campaign pitch reads like a Japanese visual novel. The power level is way above this place's already highly inflated normal. The tone vaguely hints that it'll be about people being bad and maybe even hedonistic, because pirates and world-ending, but gives a vaguely noble starting goal and basically bans lewdshit.

I'm guessing that this will appeal to folks who want nasuverse, though not the mainstream crowd at all. Maybe?

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It's LFG time, boys. Are you a bad enough Commoner to not have your home be pillaged by orcs, burned to the ground by a rampaging dragon, or otherwise wiped from the map? Because you'd better be. You're the village now.
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/82997/youre-the-village-now

>>54232521
>>54232600
I just want to know the logic behind some of them. I mean, for what purpose were these houserules added? I don't think houserules should be added to the game "just because"; if you're tinkering with a rule it should be because you have a specific problem you want to fix and the new houserule is geared towards fixing that problem without causing others. I can't imagine the full list of problems he's trying to fix with all these rules. There's so many of them that it feels like change just for the sake of change.

Though, if it's true that /pfg/ really does love high powered games, I guess this is pretty potent chargen... Are these the results of the poll that was posted in the thread yesterday for rules in a pirates game?

>>54232629
Laddio I have enough problems trying to upload maps, I'm not going to lag out roll20 even more by trying to include voice. As for new players, I mean - sure? I just left it unticked.

>>54232646
It doesn't ban lewdshit, I'm just saying not to expect it to be "everyone wants your dick". If you want the puss, earn it.

>vaguely hints that it'll be about people being bad
It's...honestly whatever you want it to be, basically. Every one of the little sections is technically an abstract for a major plot hook, the last bit just means "but yeah, I'm not going to stop you from looting everything like a pirate".

>>54232638
>everything is shit
>allow me to pile some more shit on top of it
>it doesn't matter, everything is shit anyway

>>54232664
Is this tucker's kobolds in reverse?

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>>54232016
>- 3casters and 4casters are now Lowcasters, and gain a Talent every two levels. 6casters and 7casters are now Midcasters, and gain a Talent every other level. 9casters are now Highcasters, and gain a talent every level. Wizards and Arcanists are Highcasters, but also gain an Incanter specialization, and gain talents as if they were Incanters.

>it's IN ADDITION to the Vancian casting

Oh Christ what the fuck.

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>>54232646
From what I can glean, it's something about two continents (one mythological China, the other vaguely Norse?) separated by a big-ass vorpal vortex in the center, and just recently the vortex has started to subside. The party are pirates who raid the ensuing explosion in trade.

Honestly, it feels like the party are meant to be big deals in the setting due to HOLY SHIT 50 PB AND FREE PrC, but... With the given premise, it feels a little improper? You don't make a Superhero campaign with 10 PB, for example, and while the high CharGen might be appreciated to some, it feels superfluous.

Save that CharGen for Wuxia, or a Musou campaign.

>>54232683
Are you a Filipino on dial-up or something?

>tfw people always whining that /pfg/ is too high powered with constant power creep chargen
>Nobody remembers how popular, despite never actually getting used, the idea of a 25PB non-PoW game with FFS+Legendary/Jolly content was

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>tfw people thought Iron Gods and WotR were going to be end of /pfg/ games
>tfw people thought there wouldn't be another wave in this endless flood

On an unrelated note, have you ever used some kind of animal without it actually being an animal companion/mount/familiar? Like just buying a tiger or a dinosaur or a wolf. How did it work out? Without any way to advance it, did it remain useful and alive for long?

>>54232716
It's two continents. One is Rome, the "Only Empire", with Nordland on top. The other is China. There's others, I just didn't feel like mentioning them.

>>54232725
No, it's just specifically Roll20 that lags to shit for me and I don't know why.

>>54232709
If you're competent enough to pull it off, perhaps.

>>54232016
>want pirate game
>get this
>and it's run by Kawase

I was not aware that I was in possession of the Monkey's Paw

>>54232716
>>54232733
Also, I mean, you're Main Characters and Named, as in literally you would have a name instead of Pirate A, but I do note you're not even close to the Main-est.

>>54232664
>https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/82997/youre-the-village-now
>New Shanktown
Kinda sold me on it there already, but I've never actually played D&D/Pathfinder, so /shrug.

>>54232749
I've always hated pirate themed games and I'm loving this.

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>>54232710
>every two levels
>every other level
...wat

>>54232750
>I mean, you're Main Characters and Named, as in literally you would have a name instead of Pirate A, but I do note you're not even close to the Main-est.

What do you mean by this? That the party are already famous before they become pirates?

>>54232733
>No, it's just specifically Roll20 that lags to shit for me and I don't know why.
But who the fuck runs voice through Roll20?

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Today's the day my wizard out smarts the rest of the party into doing evil shit

>>54232766
No, I mean that the First of Scribes, who wrote up the world which is explicitly noted as a storybook and everyone in it is aware of this fact, gave you names like "John Edwards" or "Samuel Brown" instead of calling you Villager #842146346993, Location 31452.41357899913, 31122.21100017.

>>54232765
Mistyped. I meant 1 1 0 1 1 0, not 1 0 1 0

>>54232759
I've always loved pirate games and I'm hating this.

I think we can only conclude that this is not a pirate game.

>>54232803
Storytime?

My group is starting a new pf game today and I need to print character sheets for everyone. What are some good non-class specific sheets?

>>54232828
>print
You actually have a real-life group? Are you the unicorn of /pfg/?

>>54232828
>class-specific sheets
son...

>>54232664
>The Count renamed the village into New Shanktown because they missed out on taxes
oh boi

>>54232831
same group of friends that I've been playing with for the past 10 years.
>>54232833
I want non-class specific.

>>54232749
Maybe I'm the one that had the Monkey's Paw, because I'm disappointed too. I was the one that was pushing for a Sky Pirates game last thread in the first place! But even if I'm not personally interested in the game, I can't be upset at other people for running what they want to run or for playing what they want to play.

>>54232727
There's just less to talk about in the char-gen sense with a mundane ruleset

>>54232860
Sky Pirates is stupid and I'm glad the last campaign with that concept died.

Let's settle this once and for all, /pfg/
http://www.strawpoll.me/13392096

>>54232883
Well, aren't you a sour Sally?

>>54232870
Even without things like gestalt, mythic, or high PB, 1PP Pathfinder is so bloated with material now that there's more stuff than any one person probably knows what to do with. Throw in some 3PP stuff too and you should have enough for people to find something to talk about... I'm not trying to say one style of chargen is better than another, though.

So, Androids "age" until they finally "die", despite never showing any signs of age or mental degradation.

Are there ways Androids could live forever?

>>54232937
>Are there ways Androids could live forever?

Probably the same way the average human would live forever.

>>54232937
Wish for it with the Dragon Balls or be a level 20 wizard or alchemist

>>54232811
Good. Fuck pirate games. People don't ever really know what they want out of pirate games outside of being CN dicks to every NPC and most other PCs. Stealing gold from the party, killing PCs in their sleep. All of that is way more likely in pirate games.

>>54232614
Read the text and what u said more carefully, anon. If you have 9 maneuvers readied, you don't start with 3. You start with nine minus three ie. SIX.
Ane then at the end of three turns later, it resets again, and you get ANOTHER SIX.

>>54232978
*What I said. Typos.

>>54232978
>>54232989
Okay, I understand now how I misread the Mystic's table and description for how many maneuvers they begin with. You were right, so thank you for improving my understanding of the class. But, I would still like to get rid of the random system the Mystic class uses and replace it with something that isn't as obnoxious to use as something that requires you to randomly determine a maneuver each turn to receive. It slows down the game and neither I or my Mystic player like it. What would you advise?

>>54232629
With a ruleset that complex, you really don't need to be training people how to play.

And we like text here.

>>54233094
Make an archetype that just replaces it with good old Full Round recovery?

>>54232733
Could be your antivirus. Avast lags out Discord and roll20 because of the behavior shields and pagescanning going into overdrive.

>>54232885
You make the shittiest polls.

>>54233094
An interesting replacement may be 'You start with a predetermined half of your readied maneuvers granted. Whenever you use a maneuver you may automatically recover a different maneuver that you haven't used since the start of your last turn.

It's not that hard to track the default method online though. Make a numbered list, roll 1dX where X is ungranted maneuvers, count down the result from the top of the list, skipping granted ones. Put the list on a Google doc if the GM wants to prevent cheating.

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>go 9 levels in DD warder
>one level Umonk dip
>dragon style chain
>can apply two handed bonus to PA thanks to dragon style

Is this a solid build or nah?

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.....maybe I will run a not!githyanki raider game.

>>54233212
Dragon Style only works with unarmed attacks.

>>54233264
Unless you have that one use-unarmed-on-weapons feat, that is. Dragon Style does not have the "only unarmed strikes no matter what" rider of Pummeling Style.

>>54233122
That'd work, I guess, but >>54232467 is saying that kind of recovery is actually pretty bad and I'm not sure if I still think they're wrong. Plus, I'd like to use some kind of recovery mechanic that still feels appropriate to the Mystic's flavor.

>>54233197
So, a sort of system where you always have half your readied maneuvers available at any given time, then? Hm, but should a PoW class really be able to sustain itself indefinitely like that? I mean, that's just begging them to use their maneuvers as fast as possible because they'll recover them just as fast.

As for using the default method online, yeah, that's how it would have to be done. But doing that every turn still slows things down a lot. Really, I suppose that's just a problem with random maneuver recovery in general, though? No matter how you do it, if it's random it's going to involve the person having to roll something every turn and then go to check what maneuver that matches with and then decide if that changes what they want to do with their turn...

If I made it so that instead of getting a random maneuver you get them in a specific order chosen by you when spend ten minutes meditating to ready maneuvers, but as a trade off you start with a predetermined half of your maneuvers withheld instead of only having three withheld, do you think that would be a power increase or decrease for the class?

>>54232521
>>54232600
I changed them to be easier to read.

>>54232629
Newfag alert

>>54233318
By level 9 a mystic can already afford to use two maneuvers a round and never burn out. Though I suppose the constant recovery leads to problems when combined with things like abilities that let you counter twice per round.

Does rolling for maneuvers take that long when the player can just end their turn first and then do it while the next player is deciding?

>>54232885
>B/u/ccaneers won
Get rekt, p/y/ratefags.

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>Just got done posting my app for Iron Gods

I'm pretty satisfied with backgrounds, will probably come back and check for grammar errors later, but I've never made a blaster sorcerer before. I may end up going back and checking for other stuff later.

Primarily, I'm wondering what feats I should grab later on besides metamagic feats and Spell Perfection. Any suggestions?

>>54233264
Probably should have mentioned but I am doing an unarmed build.

>>54233298
Anybody know the name of this feat? I need to look at it for... reasons.

>>54233693
http://www.archivesofnethys.com/FeatDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Ascetic%20Style

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>>54233242
Will you start the players at a high enough level to know Astral Projection or Plane Shift?

Lads, 2hu is pointing out to me just how retarded PoW is even in a game with 50 fucking PB and a feat every level. Should I just ban PoW, add in Stamina, and brew up PrCs for people who want Weeaboo Fightan Magic?

>>54232629
We don't want to hear your manchild voice demanding we tell ourselves you're a princess.

>>54233212
I'm pretty sure Dragon Style does not actually change Power Attack at all, since you're not actually "two-handing" anything

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I think it would be reasonable to ask that we simply not talk about any games after Iron Gods or Wrath of the Righteous?

>>54233964
http://www.captiongenerator.com/424272/pfg-contemplates-its-future

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>>54232627

>>54233646
Congratulations, I remember you asking about it the other day (I jokingly pushed for you to make a Draconic/Orcish halfling sorcerer because it's a funny idea).

I haven't had time to read the whole thing, but just from skimming it and seeing his reason for helping the people of Torch, it seems like he might be too unwilling to leave? Then again, there doesn't seem like there would be anything holding him back if Khonnir is rescued and the flame restored- but I don't know if either of those things are meant to happen in the plot.

Anyway, for a full caster with feats to spare I always, always recommend Improved Initiative, especially if you want to do any buffing/debuffing. You already have Spell Focus, or else I'd recommend that for any blaster mage. Hm... Spell Penetration. It's boring, but pretty much all of your Evocation spells will have to deal with SR and you'll feel better for having that bonus (especially since you're clearly planning to put debuffing metamagic on Fireball). Also, there's the fact that you can spend a Bloodline feat to get another Bloodline mutation instead of giving up a Bloodline power, so that might be worth remembering if you want Blood Intensity or Blood... Piercing? Whatever the other ones are. They're still good too, after all! Aside from that, you cooould consider Robot's Bane and Craft Technological Items, both of which would be fitting feats for your character if he's meant to be a mechanist with technical knowledge. And if nothing else, you can find a story feat you like and take that- I'm always a fan of them, personally, even if some of them are pretty bad.

Hope that helps!

>>54233913
Why the hell does anyone blanket include a rules system without being familiar with said system?

>>54234002
To better support /pfg/?

>>54234002

Because if you don't include PoW, Avowed, Spheres, or whatever other flavor of the month is in demand, /pfg/ won't play in your game and will talk shit.

>>54233964
Sorry, I don't think that'll happen. You're going to have to make peace with the fact that this is how the general is now. We can make it a better place by being better, nicer people, but this deluge of games may never end.

>>54233968
DESU senpai I thought that link was to another Roll20 game at first because I didn't bother looking at the first half.

>>54234002
I am familiar with it, I know it's dumb, I just didn't think it through at the time and the more I think about it the more I'm thinking why the fuck do you need +120 damage. I'm keeping manuevers but like, honestly, should I just ban PoW classes, then just brew other Weeaboo Fightan Magics for players who really want the teleporting katanafag? Dimensional Flash already lets you teleport behind the Wizard and cut his head off with a full attack so

>>54234002

Because these people just want attention

>>54234043
I wonder how many of us here are Antediluvian.

>>54233964
Season 2 when?

How do you argue against someone's completely autistic hate of 'intrigue'?

>>54234193
You don't, you just give up.

>>54234140
You can make a Strawpoll or something if you want, but those never get a good voter turn out. I expect a not insignificant portion but not higher than 60% date back to before the flood of games really started.

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Everyone come to my garbage ass fuck new thread with kitsune
>>54234501
>>54234501
>>54234501

>>54234193
You stop trying to talk to mentally ill people like StarToad.

>>54234588
aaaaaa

>>54234588
>>54234595
Fuck off with this fake screaming shit already.
It's not cute, it's not endearing, you're not getting any sympathy from anyone. You're just being attention whores.

>>54229068
>Comfy
>Lewd
Kys