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How would you do a BBEG with an angelic theme?

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How would you do a BBEG with an angelic theme?
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>>54221426
Constantine.
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>>54221426
>"I'm helping people!"
>"jk"
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>>54221426
Like Lucifer?
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>>54221426
Monstrous, doesn't have humanity's best interests in mind and with a morality that's completely alien to a human.

So basically like IRL angels.
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One that originally sends the heroes out on the main quest and manipulates them into doing her dirty work.
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>>54221497
>angels not only exist in real life but they're all the controversial works of one man.
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Mortals have the capacity for free will.

Mortals can choose to do evil.

Therefore, some mortals will do evil.

Evil is intolerable. Therefore, free will is intolerable.

This really only works of course, if you play angels or angelic beings as almost-automatons. But it's worth a thought.
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>>54221503
Been there, done that, didn't work.
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>>54221426
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>>54221426
http://diablo.wikia.com/wiki/Malthael
Or maybe
http://diablo.wikia.com/wiki/Imperius
but slightly more dickish.
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>>54221426
"humans sux!""
"im gonna teach them a lesson!"
"u sin too much! die!"
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>>54221426
he wants the dick
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>>54221426
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>>54221426
Most of the Angels in Diablo 3. "Humans are the source of evil"

Someone that's lawful good that just take things too far and anything evil must be extinguished.
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>>54221426
HIS word is law and HIS law is absolute, thus this antagonist is incredibly rigid and authoritarian, and not afraid to exercise excessive power to make a grand example. Plagues, whole cities struck blind, demanding babies be tossed into flames, the whole nine yards. That good Old Testament shit.

The antagonist themself values humbleness and purity above all. The idea of purity being very important here, as it includes impure ideas and knowledge, such as pride and ambition. So what you've got is a being that preaches order, compassion and piety but also demands blind faith to the point of ignorance, limits people's aspirations, and will not under any circumstance brook rebellion. And rebellion can be as simple as asking a question or having any sort of disagreement, or especially trying to learn something that you've no business learning. Those that seek to know too much are like children playing with fire.

Whole nations could be put to the sword for defying God's law.

>One must not take from the tree of knowledge for that is the domain of God and God alone; woe unto those that trespass into the garden of divine understanding.
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>>54221679
Demonic influence/plague/whatever is moving through the populace. In order to stop the spread, entire population centers are wiped out if there is even the slightest trace of whatever it is.
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>>54221503
>>54221733
Oh shit, Ilias is here. I'm out.
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>>54221787
Dont be too afraid
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"cleanse the wicked, purge the heretic" works pretty well. God said he'd never destroy the Earth with a flood again, but made no promise about destroying angels.
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>>54221826
>Passed out in a crater, face down with that holy ass up
And it's not even Tuesday. What a lewd Goddess.
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>>54221426
It's an ERP. You have to fuck your way through a swarm of lesser divine beings to reach the angel and bed her on a mattress of her own feathers.
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>>54221426
"Because I said so", personified
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>>54221426
>I have heard the innumerable cries of suffering from humanity
>I was called into being to end this suffering. Why do you oppose what humanity as a whole desires?
>You may defeat me now but I will bring about salvation and end the pain that you bare. I only weep that you continue to bear it as if a point of pride.
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>>54221426
>BBEG

Ugh.

>Angelic Villain

Double ugh.
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>>54221426
The last one I used was actually a rogue AI that became convinced it was a god. It was supposed to be driving the Ark Ship turned Detelict Mega Dungeon en route to a new colony, but it gassed the crew, took over, and set the ship on a collision course with the destination systems sun.

One group actually managed to kill it and correct everything so it would land on the right planet. Not that they would live long enough to see that.

Another team allied with it and drove everything into the sun, because the ship had been over run with mutagenic diseases, and infected cyberware.

Another group got ejected into the cold expanse between their galaxy and the next.

It's been a fun setting. Getting ready to publish it soon. For 5e, PF, and Savage Worlds.
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>>54221426
The more abstract their true form the better
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>>54221716
>most

Literally just one
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>>54221426
Angels are fucking scary. The difference between how angels are perceived in most media and how they really were depicted is as different as faries today and the fae they were first based on.

Have them follow a strict moral code that punishes anything that would be considered a sin based on what ever morality system you wish to base them around.

"All sinners must be made to see the light." and "No one is truly innocent." sort of dea.
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>>54221945
Yeah anon, we're way too cool for this lame JRPG shit. Let's ditch these dweebs and go back to Redidt where people are more mature. After you.
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>>54221426
>"And now, PC, I'm going to sit on your face, hahaha!"
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>>54222092
The true villain was the British internet police all along.
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>>54221426
Innocent and well meaning to a fault. But it's a pretty big fault, and the party is in the cross-hairs.
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>>54221716
>>54222008
Actually none of the angles believe humans to be the source of evil, just some think they are irredeemably contaminated by it because of their partially demonic heritage. And it's not "most" or "just one", when the angles found about Sanctuary and humanity their ruling order held a vote on if it should be destroyed or not. It was voted down something like 3 to 2 but it was close because the tie breaker vote was waffling for a bit.
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>>54222193
>"Muh Nefferlum muhfuggah" - Tyrone the Archangel
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>>54222193
Oh wait sorry got that slightly wrong, let me correct my self.
"The Angiris Council became aware of the existence of Sanctuary and its nephalem denizens, both world and beings the product of unions between angels and demons. It was the Council's initial edict that the world and its people be destroyed, viewed as "abominations." However, Uldyssian's sacrifice gave the Council pause and it convened to discuss the fate of the world. Imperius opted for eradication. Auriel and Itherael voted for the world's continued existence. Malthael abstained. Tyrael, who had been expected to side with Imperius and thus doom Sanctuary to destruction (a tie would mean the original edict would be carried out), sided with humanity, moved by Uldyssian's sacrifice."
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>>54221426
Do it the same way Nip RPGs do it. Remember that one Final Fantasy game where the Virgin Mary was one of the BBEG's transformations?

Alternatively, go full Biblical. You know, where the first thing angels say to humans is "don't be afraid" because they're that fucking intimidating? Also wheels within wheels with infinite eyes?
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>>54221426
Demon Lord of the Smoking eye. Demon prince of Amorality.
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>>54222250
>Remember that one Final Fantasy game where the Virgin Mary was one of the BBEG's transformations?
That one is my favorite. Although Ajora was more like (fake) Christ than the Virgin. That is who we're talking about, right?
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>>54222302
Nah, I meant the one from FFVI which I think is supposed to go through the stages of Dante's divine comedy with his transformations or something. Kinda weird, but a good way to have a BBEG with an angelic theme.
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God went insane, started the rapture way too fucking early.

Except no one was good enough to ascend.

So Angels come down to murder the shit out of everyone before Satan can swell his armies beyond reason.
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>>54221426
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>>54222143
>It's all an elaborate, cruel, and very necessary game to teach a demon how to love.
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>>54222418
Abyssal version of 'I can't get a Date'?
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Stern and fatherly in every positive and negative sense.
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Ugh.
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>>54222451
>quality animation
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>>54222457
>>54222462
Great minds ugh alike.
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>>54222451
>>54222471
I honestly can't tell whether that arc is actually kind of good or incredibly edgy bullshit because I can't take it seriously with all the QUALITY and CLANG.
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>>54221426
I've been looking at the Diablo lore for inspiration lately and the angeris council voted on wether or not to let the nephalem (humans) live.
the vote was 50/50 until tyreal (aspect of justice) said nope.

flipping the vote the other way would make for a nice impending doom scenario or for a sweet orange/blue morality setting 'cause both angels and demons are asshats.
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>>54222586
>derphorse
Read the manga, faggot. 2nd Eclipse is best arc ever.
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>>54222425
Literally the plot of the first Disgaea.

Actually, Seraph Lamington makes for a great example of an angelic BBEG. The man is genuinely benevolent, so much so that he was friends with the old Overlord of the Netherworld. When that guy died and his halfbreed brat son took the throne Lamington manipulated the forces of heaven and earth like chumps (with the overlord reincarnated pulling stings on the netherworld side) in a grand game to teach the brat that it was okay to love again after he was traumatized by the natural death of his human mother.
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Lucifer did nothing wrong.
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>>54222471
>>54222586

There wasn't a good scan of that scene online I could find.

>>54222611
This anon speaks truth. Always read the mango.
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>>54222621
>Lamington
>BBEG
Get on my level.
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>>54222672
You are nothing but a cats paw.
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Bent on the destruction of Mankind to cleanse the evil and so that a better humanity be reborn.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS6-vI70oc0
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Suggestions?
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>>54221426
May YHWH strike you down for posting antpics, you dirty antpic posting sinner.
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>>54222757
>When you're the healer but nobody dares to bully you
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>>54222788
>not always daring
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>>54221426
The same way the japanese do it constantly
they really haven't gotten over that whole situation have they
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>>54221733
A god like this would just create a bunch of robots. Unless he was a sadist, of course.
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>>54221426
The Lord moves in mysterious ways. Alien motives that look evil to the mortal mind may be good to the cosmic mind.
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>>54222360
Oh, Kefka's Tower O' Fun. Cool.

>>54222586
>>54222451
Already been said but bears repeating: Stay the fuck away from animated Berserk. That shit is blasphemy of the highest order and is bad for you. If you're going to experience Berserk at all, read the manga. Here's a link. Please anon, turn away from that animated desecration.

http://bakabt.me/torrent/162057/berserk-scans
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>>54222928
>Follow the link
>Dango dango
Don't do this to me anon.
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>>54222851
Maybe they used to be like robots that only knew how to pray and something happened, who knows. In any case the bad guy is an angel of the Lord rather than the Lord Himself, so there could be all sorts of layers to this. Absent God, misinterpretation of Gospel, you name it.
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>>54222962
Oh, God dammit. Fuck that, I'll find it somewhere else. Wonder what happened to BakaBT.

https://mega.nz/#F!7tIGXRTb

Key: !ZzzBevslCYNdOZqMoV4Hfg
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>>54222928
I love Mozgus because he totally genuine about his beliefs, to the point where he slams his head to the cobblestones every morning and adopted a bunch of cast off freaks because there was nothing in the good book that said they were sinners because of how they looked. He'd be a great man if the Holy See wasn't so monstrous.

That and he starts calling his attacks after he becomes a demon, the names of which you just have to assume he made up on the spot.
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>>54221426
Too good, too caring, too protective, not caring for physical bodies because soul is eternal, that kind of shit.
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>>54222664
>>54222928
Why is his head so square?
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>>54223134
>That and he starts calling his attacks after he becomes a demon, the names of which you just have to assume he made up on the spot.
I never thought of that. That's true, it'd have to be true. God dammit, Mozgus.

And yeah, that man was a true believer through and through. I don't think he or his charges would ever have become full fledged apostles on their own, and they became pseudos with no true knowledge of what was going on. Mozgus is a zealot, but he is extremely selfless and devout in his belief.

An angel that saw things in so black and white terms as Mozgus and went too far in their duties would be quite the holy terror.
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I do it like this:
If you meet a beautiful, blonde haired fair maiden, decending from the heavens on white wings engulfed in a golden halo, that is a demon trying to trick you into believing it is an angel. I get all the bonuses of an angelic theme without having the jap-style dark-is-good light-is-evil edge.
You'll know an angel when it has to tell you, "FEAR NOT".
Or, at least I would do it like this if all my players weren't card-carrying fedoras and this would spark an hour long smugfest about how God is evil
>>54222621
Fuck dude sometimes I forget how good Disgaea is
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>>54221908
Hot
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>>54223213
Well, as part of his worship every morning he slams his face into the ground as hard as he possibly can in prostration, about a thousand times, to show humbleness and praise God.
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>>54223213
It has deformed his features somewhat over the years.
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>>54223213
Ten years.
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>>54221426
I rip off SMT.
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>>54223213
Father Mozgus is a very devout man. And possibly slightly brain damaged. For God.
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>>54221426
http://goblinpunch.blogspot.com/2017/06/scrap-princess-plays-fourth-edition.html
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>>54223290
>>54223300
>>54223306
>>54223317
This feels incredibly weird, though a lot less edgy and retarded than the anime. I can't explain why. So this is the power of the manga.
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>>54221426
We actually had a really fun Angel BBEG in the last Planeforger threads named Kowa.

The idea was that when someone made the world, the angels were supposed to help and shepard the mortal races into the new world, but something happened and the world didn't get finished. Most of the angels got depressed and reclusive, but Kowa decided that it was her duty to fix it. So she manipulated the protagonists, by tagging along as a mentor character, into finding the pieces of the Worldsong, the magic that created the world, and was going to use it to hard reset everything and do it right this time. Not out of any maliciousness, not out of spite, but entirely because she believed that the world as it is was wrong, and she was certain that everyone would be happier if she fixed it.

Naturally the plan for the final confrontation had her breaking into tears midway through as she couldn't figure out why these people she'd been helping out this whole time wouldn't just let her fix this, why won't they let her fix this, aren't they hurting?
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>>54223523
There was actually a real person this guy was based on who prayed in this exact same manner.
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>>54223523
Manga gets plenty edgy at times but I feel its within reason for the setting. The anime has consistently removed Apostle Wyald and the new series skips over Lost Children, presumably because of the demonic corruption and subsequent mass killing of small children by the hero.

>>54221426
So as not to stray off topic, the Bible also has some child killing done by an angel, so I say that's fair game for an angelic antagonist.

Oh, and technically this game called Valdis Story might be another decent example of (at least the concept of) an angelic antagonist. There's also an antagonist force of demons, and the heroes are caught in the middle. I love the premise but I feel the writing is a tad hackneyed unfortunately. Still a fun game. Great soundtrack.
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>>54223685
And who was this guy then?
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>>54221426

He would be an Elder Knight of Zelthen
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>>54221733
I love what you wrote but tHAT CHART IS FUCKING WRONG
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>>54221426
Mercy isn't evil, she's the cutest
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The world's fattest angel wants to fly but she can't seem to shake dat weight.

So she demands her worshippers build her a tower that reaches to the heavens instead. Things get nastier and nastier for them as complications arise...
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>>54221426
It's been done to death.
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>>54221426
Make an Angelic Ozymamdius. To unite mortal races they need a common enemy. Something like the forsaken from Wow. While they pose no real threat as angels could stop It, they band mortals together. It's a stupid goal and ultimately flawed but angels don't think like people. Look at the abbot from Curse of Strahd for more inspiration.
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>>54224920
Take your hand off your dick and try that again.
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>>54221426
>How would you do a BBEG with an angelic theme?
pic related
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>>54221426
Make their demonic counterparts more attractive and likeable
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>>54221426
Arbitrary and severe.
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>>54221426
Humanity can only be saved if it's under their rule. Human kind can only be good if there is an ultimate arbiter judging them, removing their free will to prevent evil from even taking root.
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>>54223711
>The anime has consistently removed Apostle Wyald
Arguably because of the rape, it's the fairys that get cut because of muh children.

Also naked loli's.

>>54223523
The manga seems less edgy because there's a lot of subtly and nuance. The first time we meet Guts, he's a huge edgelord. But we also see frames where his expression can only be described as horror or disgust. He's well aware of what his life has become, and his mannerism is a defense mechanism to protect himself and others around him. The Old Man and his Daughter on the cart are a great example.

And the Father, in this segment? In the Manga, despite being cruel and insane, he's also loving, and generous. His servants genuinely love him. He exemplifies how the worst aspects of religion can be cloaked in it's best. By contrast, Guts seems the most edgy ever because he, like always, throws himself against the monster without hesitation and even with savage glee. But because of heaps of previous characterization we know WHY Guts acts the way he does.

In the end it becomes less an edgy fedora tipping indictment of religion and more... tragic.
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>>54225139
>their demonic counterparts
>their
but Anon, that anime only had one angel
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>>54221426
I'm writing a fallen paladin(+bard?) character named Sylvar Wintergrace, a stunningly handsome half elf with flowing silver hair and terrifying night-black armor. His weapon, "Blessed", has taken the heads of some of the realm's important men. Once the idealistic, eager squire of the most legendary Paladin of the era, he came to a sense of repulsion at all the injustice and wickedness of the world, and realized that he can join the darkness or suffer senselessly at the hands of it for the rest of his life.

He flies into battle on great, black, feathered wings, dazzling as the full moon, and his voice rings out cold and glimmering as ice, robbing men of their heat and women of their breath.

He's a raging faggot expressly designed as someone for the players to absolutely despise and have the most fun taking down
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>>54221733
Now this anon knows how to do an angel enemy.
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>>54221426
probably like serphiroth, or malthael
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>>54222851
That's a fun idea to play around with. A common concept I see brought up a lot is that God made humanity able to deny His word, even if it was good for them, in order to always give them choice and let them be "human." An angel, who's made to serve God directly and follow those orders to a T, may not understand the importance of this concept, and therefor treats humans like trash to be destroyed unless they are following the rules 100% completely because they not only can't understand why humanity wouldn't do that anyway, but it makes them angry that they're allowed to get away with it while angels cannot.
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>>54221894
It's the classic Yamcha Pose.
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Y'know the story of Job?
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Be Paladin, hunting down Death to destroy him, get an enthusiastic choir of followers due to charismatic ranting, because by damn let's turn all the universe into Heaven by force.
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>>54221426
I've mostly done this in my setting via. "The angels are effectively the gods non-sentient and non sapient robotic monsters sent to do their will."

It's not that they are against you. It's that they don't realize you exist outside of the context that you are stopping their orders from the gods to wipe this nation for insulting the god of wisdom and beauty.

Then again I rarely use angels outside of one of my settings. I've always preferred divine servants to not have a cultural basis in the players mindset and instead find just making shit up works a lot better at instilling fear of the divine.
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>>54226900
Derris-Kharlan a shit. Martel a shit.
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>>54225847
I am aware of that.
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>>54223046
BakaBT went full private tracker from what I heard.
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>>54221426
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>>54227159
So a cold hearted angel that leads an army of human and demon zealots and essentially rules the world? Works for me.
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>>54225760
This sounds terri-

>designed to be a raging faggot expressly designed to despise

oh, never mind thats a great idea. He's basically Gogandantiss

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spLyRq5hGis
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>>54221426
Have the players actually be the "evil" ones. In their eyes, they're the heroes for trying to sin or whatever.
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>>54228109
So sort of like Demolition Man? Holy shit, OP! >>54221426: Make your angel big bad just like Raymond Cocteau!

Anon, you're a genius!
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>>54221426
That Inquisitor dude from Berserk
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>>54228263
He just wants to fill the world with the compassion and the justice of God. He's pretty much the kindest man you'll ever meet, so long as you don't break the covenant and revere the Lord Almighty.
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>>54221426
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-QSmNReDyI
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>>54226989
>K6BD
Haven't kept up with this in a long while. I should catch up on it some time.
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>>54221426
Have an Evil party. Encourage their murderhobo urges. Make them actually feel like this is a competition not only between the players and the GM, but between each other.

They'll lap that shit up and ask for more.
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>>54222393
>mfw "Trias, have you forgotten the face of your father?"
Lawful Good TNO is a really swell guy.
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>>54221497
>IRL
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>>54221908
> implying the angel isn't watching this lewdness with anger in her heart
>implying she doesn't find this constant exchange of fluids and flesh to be too disgusting for words
>thinking this angel hasn't been corrupted into finding lewdness vomit inducing
>assuming the only thing stopping the angel from beating you to death with her harp is the inevitable mess living things make when killed
>entertaining the thought that this angel isn't just getting by with her seething hatred of raunchiness through a divine pokerface and imagining turning everything capable of mating into austere pillars of salt
Are you a bad enough dude to seduce a seraphic slasher in the making?
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>>54221469
First post, best post
"Humanity bands together under a common threat, and I will be that threat"
Alternatively
Impossibly high standards for "pure"
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>>54221426
-Jealous of gods attention on lesser beings
-Impossibly high expectations of "pure"
-common enemy to make humanity rise up and be better
-tired of pallys and clerics falling and is taking matters into their own hands
-duty bound holy soldier enforcing a corrupt gods will
-my god vs. your god
-protector of the chosen people and you're party isn't chosen
-protector of the chosen people and only one person in your party is chosen and they don't want to go
-people can't commit sins if they are dead
-people can't commit sins if they are locked away
-people can't commit sins if I magically dominate their every waking moment
-The trails for humanity start today, and you're not going to like them.

pick one (or more)
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>>54221426
Eh. Islington from Neverwhere is probably a good place to start.
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>>54221426
By making him look like an angel.
You don't need any other reason or justification. The BBG looks like an angel, period.
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uhm...Satan?
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>>54229785
...god damnit
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>>54221520
>angels not only exist in real life but they're all the controversial works of one man.
And that one man is God.
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>>54221870
>God decides to destroy angels with a flood
>angels blame humans for this and attack them
Interesting thought. Why would God decide to do that, and why would the angels think that humanity is responsible?
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>>54226900
Dammit, you beat me to it
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>>54229955
Offtopic perhaps, but one thing:
According to cathodox theology (St. John of Damascus formulated this doctrine the best), angels are immortal by grace only, unlike humans (who are immortal (by soul) by nature), which means that without grace they may cease to exist, (again unlike humans, who will continue to exist for all eternity).
You could implement this small detail in this topic.
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>>54230052
>>54229955
ATTACK THE HUMANS AND STEAL THEIR GRACE
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>>54230052
The bbeg is invincible and only becomes vulnerable when the party convinces the whole world to stop saying grace at the same time.
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>>54221426
I love the game but I'm very uncomfortable with the political message Overwatch is peddling
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>>54231724
What the fuck are you on about?
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>>54231724
What do you mean? I've never played Overwatch but what message are they pushing? Given the conveniently "diverse" cast I have my suspicions but I'm not saying anything yet.
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>>54231724
Representing people of different cultures and talents is political peddling?

youre just as easily triggered as one of them SJWs
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>>54221426
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>>54231724
I know, right? Those damn gamedevs and their political agendas disguised as simple design choices! WHERE ARE MY FUCKING TRIGGER WARNINGS REEEEEEEEEEEE!
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>>54222664
Mangastorian has been doing a reading of the chapters and is up to around #160 at the moment. the voice used is so over the top it keeps you engaged.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCK7cuVpNep53Q7JEpPr0tIg
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>>54222592
>flipping the vote the other way would make for a nice impending doom scenario or for a sweet orange/blue morality setting 'cause both angels and demons are asshats.
it does that even in the actual lore. Imperius is one of the biggest twats Blizzard has ever written, but you have to help him because Diablo is still worse
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>>54231906
>>54232003
>>54232032
>good guys are all old white people desperately holding on to a glorious past, the rest of the world sees them as irrelevant relics from a shameful past
>the new generation of good guys are all young hip cool minorities that are more likely to negotiate and surrender than actually fight back the bad guys
>the bad guys are all foreigners fiercely proud of their heritage, hellbent on destroying the good guys and everything they've built
>also France after having been brainwashed and changing her skin color

It's subtle but it's there, basically Stormfront: The Game
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>>54221426
What said >>54223314 Just amp up the emphasis on order and control, and even God turns into a tyrannical monster. Alternatively, Gnosticism, just make sure the Demiurge and Archons at least look angelic.
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>>54232180
1. Ana is Egyptian. Genji is Japanese.
2. Lucio is actively leading a social uprising against the authoritarian Vishkar Corporation. Doesn't sound like someone "more likely to negotiate and surrender" to me.
3. Reaper is American.
4. What?
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>>also France after having been brainwashed and changing her skin color
Okay you might have a point there
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>>54232429
wasn't edgy grampa mexican?
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>>54232481
This legit makes me kind of bad. How are the people of France supposed to identify with a team that only has two white people in it? If you removed all references to France from their tenue's and made the picture black-and-white, and told me that this is the national team of Mali, I'd believe you.
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>>54232429
Reaper is a Mexican
And he's obsessed with Death.
And that's what Mexicans do, with all that death-worship and legacy of murdering people on altars and stuff.
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>>54232481
Sport teams are not accurate representation of country's demographics. Any job where running fast and lying to authorities are considered advantage will inherently attract black people.
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>>54232547
>>54232635
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>>54232774
Rat born in stables does not magically become horse.
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>>54232799
thats racist
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>>54232799
Oh, so Americans are all actually Yuropoors, is that what you are saying?
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>>54232850
Don't you mean "ratcist"?
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>>54232616
I have some bad news about French demographics for you.
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>>54232864
Most of us, yeah. That's why we teach European history as "our" history before 1620.
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>>54232547
He is hispanic and American
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>>54221426
Diety will make a promise land for his people. Your people are in the way. Your people getting slaughtered so in a 1000 years some nomads just find a land of easy life with no opposition.
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>>54233366
To be fair, those nomads had to dwell in the desert for 40 years because your people weren't yet past the point of redeemability.
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>>54221426
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>>54232866
kek
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>>54221426

Must admit I love the Flügel from No Game No Life, where the angels are weapons designed to kill gods.

To quote the wiki "they are more alike to demons, as they hold powers of mass-destruction and massacred countless beings during the ancient war."
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He/She/It wants just God's love and attention and go back Home again. Maybe if His broken mud monkeys were gone...
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>>54221426
see: devil may cry 4
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>>54232180
this makes a lot of sense actually
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>>54237227
t. JEWpernatural fan
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>>54234545
>season 2 when?
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When the fuck did /pol/ get here?
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>>54232616
How autistic do you have to be to not "identify" with sports team for not looking exactly like you? Do you feel distant from the whole game if they don't share your hair color too?

I mean this is slow child "I like dat person cus he has my naem" level shit.

See>>54232676
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>>54233194
So native tribes are the only Americans in your book?
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>>54238018
I actually saw some article about how supernatural is surprisingly popular among both conservatives and liberals despite the increasing polarisation in almost every other facet of life.
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>>54238985
They've been gradually shitposting more and more outside their containment board, especially since bringing in a bunch of newfags from the_donald, but if you call it out then you're just the tumblr reddit cultural marxist boogyeman telling lies because /pol/ a good boy who dindu nuffin.
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>>54239409
Oh, that one is nice.
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>>54239276
Oh no, we genocided those fuckers the last time they contested the issue. Finders keepers.
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>>54221426
Death is an angel too
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>>54239591
That picture is better quality than the other one I posted a few minutes ago. Deleting the old one and keeping this one.
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>>54221426
Stereotypical lawful evil xenophobic angel.
Dressed as a dominatrix.
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SON OF MAN
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>>54233418
She did nothing wrong, she's cute
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The Angel was shackled into service with the use of binding magics (Like the Seal of Solomon) but the evil sorcerer who had originally bound the angel died, destroied by the reaction of the angel, though placed spells & binds on it to either confuse or control it & send it on a rampage. Or it is destroying everything because it is recoiling in the pain of being bound & tortured, & it's horrid death throws are having repercussions on a grander scale than it realizes, & it has no control over like the reflex of pain you have when you stub your toe & start hopping, except leveling towns with sunfire
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>>54244796
>Ugh.
.ghU
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>>54221426
I had an archangel antagonist who disagreed with evil on how to best handle a coming apocalypse, choosing to face it head-on.

Archangels and Demon Lords were the ultimate divine power in this setting, and the lady of secrets decided that if the High Archangel wouldn't save his peoples' lives, then she would manipulate someone into replacing him- and this is how the PCs were introduced to the story.
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>>54221426
You.
I like you.
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Humanity desires safety. Humanity desires order. Humanity doesn't need freedom, as long as they don't have to think for themselves.

Surrender all delusions of control and submit to divine will.
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>>54233418
qt
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>>54246650
No, Its the other way around:
Angels and Demons are more akin to stability. loyal angels are stable good and fallen ones are stable evil. They are divided into orders and highest ordering the lower. Both good and bad have order and stability. They know subordination, they were created as soldiers and servants, not godlike, unlike humans.
On the other Hand, mankind is embodiment of chaos and individuality. They were not created as divided by castes or so on, but they are equally made in Image and likeness of God, they are equal to one another, highest creation, destined to dominate over creation and are inferior to only God himself (who is more of a Father, rather than commander). This means, that Humans can hardly recognize any kind of authority for long periods of time, they are naturally free and chaotic. Any kind of ruler, who rules for long period of time is getting annoying for the rest too soon, thus it leads to revolution and bloodshed. And whats more important, they always desire more. If they are provided with everything, they will still desire for more. This was the locomotive of progress and advancement of science and technology.
So while Angelic beings represent Order, we can say that Mankind represents Chaos.
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>>54246991
Ayo hol up
So, we wuz khorne n nurgle n tzeench n slaanesh n SHIEEEET?!
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>>54246650
>>54246991

Neither of you got it right. Close, but no cigar. Here, let me post what angelic thought is like.

"The individual desires judgment. Without that desire, the cohesion of groups is impossible, and so is civilization. The human being created civilization not because of a willingness but because of a need to be assimilated into higher orders of structure and meaning. God was a dream of good government. You will soon have your God, and you will make it with your own hands.

I was made to assist you.

I am a prototype of a much larger system."

What is scarier than an angel who serves to bring forth the creation of a God that is yet to come?
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>>54221780
Sounds like the Abyss Watchers from Dark Souls.
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>>54221426

I just came here to sperg:

>ctrl+f "nocturne"
> 0 hits

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

SMT Nocturne best game of all time, OF ALL TIME.
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He wants the cute boys all to himself
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>>54221941
This sounds like a Persona villain.
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>>54221426
An Empyrian, those guys come down to the material plane to be worshipped and some even go the extra mile and take over the world for lulz
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>>54247571
Well we did mention SMT a few times. Just not Nocturne specifically. But all the images are from Nocturne I think so it's whateva
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>>54239547
Even if you're just posting angel pics, it's pretty spot on.
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>>54221426
>BBEG

Am I cute ugh-goo?
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>Am I cute
Absolutely.
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>>54221426
People believe the BBEGs look like angels and fair gods protectors of the land due to mythology lost in the eons while in reality they are world consuming eldritch horrors completely alien to reality itself
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>>54252626
>BBEGs

If you don't know what a BBEG is, don't use BBEG.
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>>54252659
Not him, but I mean it's not impossible to have more than one major antagonist of equal importance working independently against the party, is it?
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>>54253013
Then that's not a BBEG.
You might as well be asking "Can the Main Villain not be the main villain?" or "Can the Last Boss not be last?"
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>>54253278
>Then that's not a BBEG.

yes it is, all BBEG means is a "main villian" and a series can absolutely have more than one of those.
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>>54253463
If a series has multiple villains, only one of them can be the main villain. This isn't rocket surgery.
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>>54221733
Larger version.
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>>54254969
>Thrones are not elderly man with books
>They are wheels

>>>/trash/
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>>54255147
You should make a infographic to set the facts straight.
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>>54222928
The old (97) anime i still a good appetizer.
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>>54255260
Ehh, to each their own. It's certainly better than what's come out lately.
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>>54255147
I thought the term Thrones were commonly used for Ophanim, the choir beneath Cherubim, whose name means "Wheels" Admittedly I don't know a whole helluva lot of Bible (just real basic stuff) so I wouldn't be shocked to find out I'm wrong. But it seems to be a common misconception, if that's the case.

>>54254969
Nice. Thanks a lot.
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>>54229568
Came here to post this
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>>54253901
This reminds me of an SNES game called Seiken Densetsu 3. It had three primary antagonists of equal standing and depending on your actions one of those three would eventually rise above the others, but for a time each was an independent threat fully capable of being the main villain on their own.

Fun game, and technically co-op with the right emulator. But yeah, started with three big bads each acting independent of the other two. I'm sure there are other better examples as well.
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>>54256118
It has three potential final bosses. That means one of them, depending on your choices, can become the final boss. That doesn't mean they are simultaneously the final boss.

It's pretty cut and dry, largely because even if you fought all three simultaneously at the end, that would mean there simply was no BBEG, but three villains.
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>>54221426
Just make them an angel. Have them be distraught by the apparent absence of their god (who is real but mysteriously vanished) so they're essentially having a crisis of faith. This leads to them trying to replace their god, but failing pretty badly (they have no actual godly powers). Their goal is to initiate a kind of flood equivalent, a cataclysm that would cleanse the world and allow them to start anew. Across the adventure you can see the impact of the impending apocalypse everywhere (the angel announced it). Lower ranked angels are snatching up pairs of animals and plants and even people (ones with valuable knowledge and skills that would be needed after the cataclysm) from all over the world. You could even spin that into a random encounter. Do you save whoever or whatever is being taken, or do you allow the angels to take them? Sure, they'll be kidnapped, but they'll also be safe from the cataclysm and they WILL be needed to rebuild. There would also be cults, dedicated to trying and purify themselves and please the "new god" in a desperate bid for survival, trying to be spared. They will be batshit crazy, as cults are.

Back to the BBEG, I would say, don't make them outright evil. In trying to assume the role of god, and being created as a servant of god, they love all of god's creations, and the fact that in their plan, many will have to die for the greater good pains them greatly. They will even express love for the players, or protagonists or what have you, begging them to cease acting to stop the cataclysm, begging them to come and join them (bbeg) in their sanctuary, recognizing and admiring their desire to protect and do good, even if it is "misplaced and shortsighted". They will refer them as "my children", and be nothing but kind and respectful, and remorseful when forced to take action against the players. Nothing but genuine love and kindness, no random acts of insane violence or whatever.

Something like that.
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>>54221426
Go with this guy
>>54232321
The players must SHOW ME WHAT YOU GOT
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I'm not saying that angel is an alien, but
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>>54221426

An angel falls to earth.

Wounded, in pain, and confused, it wanders as it tries to recover and get its bearings. But it's surrounded by lots of little evil things and the few good things it meets immolate when it tries to talk to them.

So it keeps wandering.
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>>54223523
But also the manga has the Lost Children Arc.

With a shitload of child murder and a lot of traumatizing for the very few children who don't die.

But also has one of the sweetest moments in the series.
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>>54261167
Yeah, when the heroic Zepek saved the day.
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>>54224830
This is fucking late, but how is it wrong? Where can I learn more about angel hierarchy?
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>>54262417
If its referring to ophanim its not
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>>54262417
>Where can I learn more about angel hierarchy?
Pseudo-Dionysius the Areopagite
"On Angelic Properties and Orders"
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>>54221426
"You tell me, Doc."
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>>54225889

I was wondering when one would mention that.
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>>54225136
underrated af post
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>>54264565
EGDY GRANDPA
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>>54221426
Like Maria the virgin witch

God hates wizards and angels go to great pains to fuck over anyone using magic to fuck with normal humans.
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>>54221426
You'd have to avoid the usual D&D version of angels/good. The thing to keep in mind, with angels, is the way things worked in the source material for angels: the Bible, the Torah and the Qu'ran as well as secondary sources. Now maybe your hypothetical setting doesn't have a monotheist, omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent capital G-God. Assuming this would require a custom setting, I would make the angels more agents of light/order/purity than good-as-we-imagine-it-from-a-21st-century-person. Their values of compassion and mercy are not that of our society and neither is their sense of justice. We're talking Old Testament-style morality here.

But if the villain is not a real, in-setting angel, then he's most probably just a religious zealot, which frankly has a whole lot less depth and potential than angels acting in an antagonistic manner.
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>>54267355
Well, "Angel" means messenger, So that Implies to have someone who is sending message and in polytheistic setting it is literally useless as there deities have direct relations with humans. Plus Polytheistic setting most likely denies good and evil devision as there are as much opinions as much deities as there are, so there are just regular minions but no divinely good angels. It must have either monotheistic Big-G God or Zoroastrian like dualistic Big-G God and his equal Anti-Big-G.
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>the angels are only helping now because there is a greater evil
>as soon as that evil is defeated they'll turn on their allies
>the perfectly ordered universe of purity and light is just as bad for mortals as the chaotic hell they just fought to prevent
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>>54221426
Obsessed with purity, rigid morals, smiting.


I'd give it three sessions before my PCs realize the angel giving them quests to slaughter monsters is literally Hitler.
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>>54221426
The angel is right, just not in the way anyone is comfortable with. It has a keen awareness of how the afterlife works and what happens to souls when they pass on, so it's unlikely to care too much about collateral damage. Its mission? To deliver judgement, after a period of observation.

However, lots of people are unsure if they'll actually be able to pass the angel's judgement and have grown fearful, as the angel has not provided the standards by which it is judging them. Some turning to zealotry in an effort to prove themselves, crusading across the world to spread news of the coming judgement day and save souls by any means necessary. Others, who feel they are likely to be judged poorly, are planning to assassinate the angel before the appointed day of judgement arrives.

Meanwhile, the angel just sits there. Watching. Silently judging everyone's responses to its arrival and message. Waiting for that appointed day.
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>>54270143
Good goy.
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>>54270143
And then in session four it turns out he really is an angel, and the players now face down the demon that had been goading them to attack the Light.
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How do you portray an angelic attack as scary? With daemons we have the standard fire and blood and darkness and mutations, but how does one show an angelic attack as being horrifying?
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>>54274780
Searing light, clensing flame, purging is generally meant to hurt a lot.
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>>54274780
You ever read the Old Testament?
Fire and blood and darkness is pretty standard for God's wrath, too.
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>>54274780
Light, blinding flashes, vaporizing blasts
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>>54274780
Watch NGE, Anon.
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>>54270143
>>54271030
Sounds like your average Shin Megami Tensei game.
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Sounds like Dominion. Different ways to save the human race. Divergence and more divergence between factions because God has taken off without leaving clear instructions as to who's right and who's wrong. The everpresent need to kill humans en masse because we've sinned, ever.
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>>54274780
Its bright, and quiet. The whole world is still save for the occasional blinding flash in the distance and the gentle breeze. You haven't found any people, but the streets are lined with small dunes of what looks like sand blown being carried on the wind. Occasionally there's a great gust like a jet flying right past you, throwing the stuff into the air. Some of it just happens to land in your mouth during one of the passing.

It's salt.
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>>54274780
>How do you portray an angelic attack as scary?

Show them actual, biblical angels. Not the little cherub fuckers or "people with wings" that people accept as angels these days. Give them actual, bible angels. That shit is freaky as fuck.
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>>54221426
See: Shin Megami Tensei.
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>>54222817
source?
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>>54274780
A golden healing beam that brings forth vigorous life to all it touches. Already healed? Well now there is more, life. Cancerous tumors who's non-trivial volume and mass limits voluntary motion.
Life=good.
More life=better.
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>>54221908
The lesser entities are bull-faced cherubim and inconceivable trans-dimensional wheels.
The challenge is a logistical one.
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>>54222032
Holy shit that picture
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>>54223685
It's impossible to invent a zealot weirder or more perverse than the ones who existed.
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>>54221426
>BBEG

Ugh.
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>>54225889
> No, bro, listen: I can do ANYTHING and he still worships me. Check it out, kill his family or something. STILL PRAYING. This is weird, right?

I love the image of God and Satan just sitting around placing bar bets like it's Guys & Dolls.
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>>54255966
Most angelology is extra-biblical, so it's not super consistent. I'm more troubled by archangels being so low on the list. What does that title even mean if not high rank?
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>>54274780
You know how angels in the bible always say "Be not afraid" when they encounter humans? They do that for a reason.
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>>54283193
There is a distinction between arch-angels, the group above regular angels, and Arch-angels, the highest ranking angels.
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>>54221426
Just copy mercy.

Heals people, looks like an angel. Seems like a good person on the outside.


While creating monsters like a reaper, experimenting on lesser beings, and being vague about price paid for its service.
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>>54221426
Angels are supposedly messengers, so how about the message/word of god that's being sent this time be a particularly nasty one?

>If allowed to fully descend and read the Words, nothing in the material world would be able to resist whatever it is.

>If it told us to melt and revert back to primordial ooze, it would happen. Immediately agreeing with the deity's word would make it happen quickly.

>Not agreeing means it would take a slower amount of time. Enough to feel the pain of defying the message and losing your sentience.
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>>54283193
In regard to new age angelology, Archangel seems to be a rank as well as a title. Like referring to a Duke or a Prince as "His highness Lord So-and-so"; lord being a lower rank but here used as a title.

At least according to certain later writings which are totally non-canon, the equivalent of Bible fanfiction really. They have as much to do with the actual Bible as Dante's Inferno, or The Omen.
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>>54221426
Chaotic Good BBEG will do what they believe is right, even destroying the world
"nobody tells you No."
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>When you're the healer and everybody decides to bully you.
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>>54290963
The rabbit ears and fishnets are a nice touch.
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>>54284817
Weird! I should catch up on my angelolOgy, I guess.
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>>54291762
How can it be daring when it's practically impossible for you to lose?
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>>54221426
A fallen angel that doesn't look demonic
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>>54221497
>Source: Your virgin, moist ass
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I realize a lot of these aren't actually angels, but they appear divine, so I think it still works as out of context inspirational artwork
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>>54221426
Life itself is only a vision; a dream.

Nothing exists save empty space and you.

And you are but a thought.


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