Warhammer 40,000 General (40kg)

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Working on a new DC Dreadnought. Still working on the exact bits I'll use for him though.
Just a rough test mock-up currently.

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So is there a way for a Renegades list to work with the current rules? I'm halfway through converting a 500 point force, I'm hoping I can make it work.

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So how's the new edition working out?

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What army should i start

>Tau battlesuit

>Nidzilla

>deathwing

>Forget a new army and get a gargantuan squiggoth for my orks

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>>54195971
Absolutely, the first step is to abandon all hope and realize that your pathetic contribution to the gods' grand design was never going to end well for you or your wretched convocation.

After that it's all gravy. Renegades have some sweet conversion and fluff opportunities. I like how "rabble" lost and the damned armies can be, power armored CSM next to traitor guard next to raggedy cultists.

>>54195971
Renegades as in hordes of whipped rabid cultists backed up with buffing characters among heavy arty and some daemons ?
No never gonna happen in 8th.

Even if we get a fw faq by Xmas next year we're still stuck with a shitty overcosted versions of conscripts with none of the typical IG support.

The army sacrifices a lot to get and gets nothing. Our shit cost more we got no real force multipliers besides gimmicky one-use psypower


Add some "renegade" arty to a CSM list full of havocs and tanks.

Or simply add spikes to a pure IG regiment


Lol we don't even get manticores

>>54196309
why not just use the Imperium faction keyword and use those?

Fallen for CSM equivalents
IG for IG
Conscripts for cultists

>>54196086
It's 'ight.

>>54196206
depends on the budget

>>54195971
I don't see the downside in running a vanguard detachment of just disciples and marauders. You can get 50 models on the table with auto cannons and plasma, and a hellhound, all at bs3+, for 500 points.

>>54196206

Go draigowing and call it a day

GK may be a mary stus, but at least they are not emo closet homosexuals.

>Page 242
>– Understrength Units
>Change the second paragraph to read:
>‘If you are using Power Ratings, you must still pay the Power Rating cost as if you had a minimum-sized unit, even though it contains fewer models. If you are using points, you only pay the points for the models you actually have in an understrength unit (and any wargear they are equipped with). An understrength unit still takes up the appropriate slot in a Detachment.’

Tyranids:
battalion detachment
(normal army goes here)

Genestealer Cult:
auxiliary support detachment
(single understrength unit of neophytes hybrids, one model, 5 points total)

Imperial Guard:
battalion detachment
(normal army goes here)

Is this a legal battleforged army of 3 detachments?

>>54197285
Yeah, but most tourneys only allow two detachements.

Why are there two generals this time?
What meme triggered who?

Ok, so a typical game of Warhammer 40k before was 1850points. Any idea where in the new rulebook it states what the new "normal" power value is? I'm looking at pages 176+ of the rulebook, but I cant find a specific value.

I understand that one army can be stronger than the other now, but there has to be a value you can orient yourself on?

>>54196908
'till new codex wave

>>54197317
2000 points is standard now. 1500 is for medium games, 1000 is for small games.
50 power = about 1000 points, so 100 power would be "standard".
I doubt you'll find any tournments using power over points , tho.

>>54197356
Thansk mate. Is there a point value on the new datasheets? (If so, where?) Or is there a way to convert the power points? ooor do you simply take the values of the 7th edition?

>>54197317

2000 seems to be accepted as the new normal for tournament play, so that's what'll be taken as the typical value.

When it comes to Matched Play with points, both players are expected to bring an army as close to the agreed points value as possible (but no higher). It's Narrative Play using Power Ratings that it's ok for one army to have less Power than the other, as there's advantages to being the underdog in missions.

We have played games with a maximum Power of 20, 30 and 50 Power. Anything more than that, and we prefer using points.

>>54196086
I'm fucking LOVIN IT.

>>54197381
Points for units and wargear is in the back of the Index books (and presumably the codexes, although no 8th edition codex is out yet)

>>54197317
When did it ever say what the 'normal' points value/power level was?

>>54196086
Come to think of it, why is this called the "big red book", I just assumed the first or second edition was red and it stuck (joined in 4th)m but none-of them are.

>>54197408
rumor has it the new codices won't have points values at the back and the points sheet will be available on the GW website.

source: GW importer for my country

>>54197464
On the one hand that allows them to update on the fly, on the other, I just want to be able to sit down with a codex and write a list you GW faggots.

>>54197474
but you can, anon with power levels :^)

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Does anyone know if FW after releasing Codexes like GW is? Like are the books they've released so far just a stopgap for awhile?

Otherwise they've completely fucked Renegades.

>>54197457
Basic rule book, not big red book

What's wrong with Renegades?

>>54197634

Usual FW half-assed stuff combined with really crappy rules and overpriced units.

Edit:
WTF, i had to solve 9 fucking captchas

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>>54197474

>>54197509
FW doesn't release codexes for 40k. They release campaign books. And they release... them... very... slowly.

>>54197634
People whining because their WAAC army got hit with a nerf-bat and now pays guard prices for guard artillery.

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Getting around to painting my chaos space marines, thinking of Steel Brethren because I like Iron Warriors but I don't have the patience for chevrons or yellow. Any advice?

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>>54197634
Basically what >>54197654 said.

7th edition renegades were basically budget guard, but with TONS of customizability. Now they removed half the rules, and the majority of customization so we're left with units that are worse than guard and nothing to make up for it.

>>54197457
People were misinterpreting it like that when it was actually red. That was when I started playing. It's funny because I actually caught myself saying that a few times.

>>54197866
They're your dudes, anon, you can do whatever you want. In my experience the chevrons and gold trim are what make IW visually interesting. A plain metal dude is going to look boring on the TT.

>>54197654
Legacy captcha, m8

>>54197899
Advice like how to make them more interesting looking. And not with chevrons, maybe like a certain wash or something. I plan on running lots of daemon engines and mech ofc.

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>>54197899
>>54197866
This is the only model that GW has painted for Steel Brethren.

>>54197317
The old rulebooks never said 1850 was standard, that was TOs.
Older rulebooks recommended 1000, 1500 and 2000 Points, just like this one.

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Are Rhinos fucking useless now at 70 points? Seems like way too much for doing nothing.

>>54198151

They are a lot more sturdy then they used to be.

Is there any way to improve the BS of fortifications ?

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>>54197509
> thinking FW will give another shit about side project tier throw away army when they are scrabbling to save Horus Heresy after the main author eat himself to death
Loving every laugh

>>54198263
garrison troops

>>54198151
>doing nothing
>making someone chew through 10w T7 3+ if he wants to kill your dudes before they get out and open up at close range

>>54197065
>draigo
>not a homosexual
Kys you degenerate faggot

>>54198291
Wait, a FW author died of obesity?

>>54198102
In fact, an older WD stated the points value the gane is balanced around is 1500
but that was back in 5th

>>54198317
Where have you been?

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IW, trying to be fluffy.

Thoughts on making it 2000 points or as close as possible?

>>54198302
But it's stated that garrisoning troops only stops the weapon from targeting the nearest enemy unit, not improving the BS.

>>54198348
Not reading FW news sites.

>>54198348
I knew Mr Bligh died but I didn't know he died because he ate himself to death...

>>54198399
Could be worse, imagine the PR shitstorm if he'd died from inhaling too much resin dust.

>>54196206
Get that squiggoth m8

>>54198409
jesus, it cant be that bad right?

>>54198433
Resin is highly carcinogenic m8

>>54198451
Well he had died of cancer apparently.

>>54198451
sheeit, should I be wearing a mask when I'm working on this shit?

>>54198478
That'd be better, but keep in mind that it's only the dust that is a problem.

>>54198478
If your sanding or drilling it? I would.

>>54198361
GTFO normalfag

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Hi there. I'm fairly new to /tg/.
I used to collect wh40k in my teenage years, left somewhere before 5th Ed, and now I'm starting to feel the call of plastic, glue and paint once more. My wallet's begging me not to do it, but I don't know if I can resist.

I thought I would go for Orks or Imperial Guard but I read 8ed made Russes and Ork vehicles shit, and I love Russes and ork vehicles. So, if mechanized IG/Orks army aren't viable anymore, I could go Space Marine and try murdering my wallet just a little less.

If I go for Space Marine, I would make my own chapter, something like pic related. I'm not really sure about that design : can you tell me exactly how shit it is ?

They'd be some sort of renegade chapter, disgusted by the Imperium, a bit between corsairs and knight errants, defending human planets from both xenos and imperial forces, while their naive idealism slowly, but surely drives them towards Chaos. Basically, CSM in the making.

Anyone has a picture to show size comparison between GK terminators and Primaris?

>>54198511
Seems alright mate, do you intend on using the csm rules or just sm rules?

>>54198511
Ork vehicles are pretty good and way way way better than 7th ed Ork vehicles.

>>54197464
From what I remember it is the reverse. Point values will only be available in the codexes.

So, how is the debate on OOE and Broodlord buffing themselves going?

Did the FAQ clear anything up?

>>54198511
Only small issue with a renegade chapter in those colours is some people will think you're playing night lords. Depends if that bothers you.

>>54197891
I always assumed it referred to the Compendium, which was both big and red.

>>54198575
Really ? If I go Orks, it would be a mechanized warband, with Trukks, Battlewagons and a Gorkanaut. I'd like to include Killa kans because i love the models, but in every single batrep I've watched on youtube, they ended up as overpriced targets, never being worth their points.

>>54198570
SM rules. They'd still be fresh defectors, not worshipping Chaos yet. Having a Knight follow them in their doomed crusade could be nice.

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Why is the best chapter the hardest to paint

>>54198641
That's true. However, they would have big white markings on their black pauldrons and still look in every way like normal SM, so I don't think there would be that much confusion.

I've no idea what they should be called, though.

>>54196086
I'm quite enjoying it desu. Battles are far faster and no longer forgetting a million different fucking special rules and abilities. it seems after every battle me and my opponents message each other "shit, i had forgotten X unit can do Y".

Streamline, but tactical depth wasn't affected. I don't like the blandness though, but codexes should fix that without bloat.

Man, if the Start Collecting set of the Tyranids had Termagants instead of Gargoyles it would be fantastic.

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>>54198719
Black Templars are easy to paint.

>>54198719
>best chapter
>not imperial fists
7/10, but only because theyre yellow

>>54197923
Dip in boltgun metal
Dip in black wash
Edge highlight in boltgun metal

And still comes out looking good.

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>>54198731
The Emperor's Children aren't

>>54198687
Fresh defectors? Planning on using primaris or just normal marines? You can fluff it even if you use primaris because old marines can be upgraded to them

>>54198719
>>54198739
I ordered the new edition and want to paint my primaris as Imperial fists, is it really that hard? I found a good tutorial that seems pretty solid using glazes to achieve a decent yellow.

>>54198726
Just get a Swarm/progenitor box and call it a day

Will death korps of kriegs granadiers be coming back to FW?

>>54198756
Get a airbrush. Then yellow becomes easy as fuck. So long as you dont fuck up details at least.

>>54198756
Glaze techniques work really nice... but if you slip while adding detail on your non-yellow trim it's a massive pain to fix

>>54198511
Russes lack a bit of firepower for their points but hellhounds and self-propelled artillery are pretty damn good, and Trucks will get your boys to wherever they want and Battlewagons can be given ludicrous amounts of dakka.

>>54198755
I don't really know. I haven't read much of 8thEd fluff. I just know they're some sort of super-space marines recently unveiled.

If SM armies can be all-"normal" marines except for one squad of Primaris, they would probably have one such squad. They would have a different color scheme, like the BA's Sanguinary Guard looks different from the average marines.

If not, just normal marines.

>>54198786
This. I would not recommend a glaze style, you're putting all your chips in the "I won't fuck up" basket. You don't want to have to try to fix a glaze job. Ever. Best to only use glazes as finishing touches and when they're actually required.

>>54198719

This is why Crimson Fists exist and that's a good thing.

>>54198720
Oh god its my time to shine.
So your dudes defend worlds from all kinds of forces correct?
What about World Bearers?
World not word damnit

>>54198687
FLG did a batrep using all killercans with se deff dreds and morkanaut against chaos and it won pretty handily. It was really just show case units that never saw play in 7th that are pretty decent now

>>54198809
Well, if you're looking to play long term its not a bad idea to start with primaris as you can get like 1k points worth from the SM side of the new starter and you can normally find people selling it for like $50 too so its not that expensive (and they will be getting a ton of new toys the normal marines likely cant use). They can be fielded with normal marines but they will eventually succeeded them altogether so its something to consider

Need some advice on my list.

1500pts Tyranids Nidzilla, Battalion Detachment, +3 CP

2HQ
-Flyrant w Deathspitters +Rending Claws
-OOE

6 Troops
-10 Termagants
-20 Termagants, 10 w Devourer
-1x4 Ripper
-3x3 Warriors

1 Fast Attack
-10 Gargoyles

3 Heavy Support
-Carnifex w 2x ScyTal + Bioplasma
-Trygon Prime
-Exocrine


-Termagants deepstrike with Trygon and do dakka/distract
-Warriors go with Carnifexes, Exocrine and wherever else Synapse is needed
-Gribblys distract, Exocrine dakka

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>>54198719
Why is the best legion the hardest to paint?

>>54198767

They're not sold anymore everywhere I look.

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>>54198903

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Fun word puzzle from our glorious officers of the Imperium! ENJOY!

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>>54198719
>>54198739
>Not recognizing the glory that is the Lamenters chapter, and mistaking them for anyone else

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>>54198903
*ahem*

>>54198903
I wonder how many anons have made google think they were closet gays after all the humorous screenshots

>>54198980
>lamenters
>glorious
Glorious jobbers, maybe

>>54198977
hydra dominatus is the only important thing in this find-a-word, is it hinting some about Alpha Legion?
>>54198984
did you miss the joke or are you baiting?

>>54198776
That's not been my experience; got any hot tips?

>>54199003
enough that 40k is now universally the most homosexual nerd hobby.

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Rate my shit Chaos list, just used models from my collection. Pretty much a close combat army overall, will mostly rush things into people's face.

Daemon Prince - 156
Malefic talons (pair) / Khorne

Chaos Lord - 78
Power sword / Bolt pistol

Khorne Berzerkers x8 - 148
Power fist x1 / Chainsword x7 / Bolt pistol x8

Chaos Rhino - 70

Helbrute - 139
Multi-melta / Helbrute fist

Helbrute - 139
Multi-melta / Helbrute fist

Chaos Space Marines x10 - 150
Power fist x1 / Chainsword x9 / Bolt pistol x10

Chaos Rhino - 70

Chaos Cultists x10 - 54
Shotgun x1 / Heavy stubber x1 / Autogun x8

Chaos Cultists x10 - 59
Flamer x1 / Brutal close combat weapon x9

Chaos Bikers x6 - 190
Power sword x1 / Chainsword x5 / Combi-bolter x6

Defiler - 245
Battle cannon / Reaper autocannon / Havoc launcher / Defiler claws


1500 points

I had fucking Blood Ravens break into my home and steal my entire collection. I had 14000 points of Ultra Marines, Custodes, necrons, and orks. All in separate boxes ready to go for an event weekend.

Also had some tools and ship stolen.

Fucking blood ravens.

>>54198884

If you go nidzilla you go nidzilla

Drop all troops except for the a couple swarms to pop directly on top of objectives.

Run dakkafexes, add stonecrushers for melee and malanthropes to escort them, with flyrant as the shock attack guy.

Add raveners to flank while the opponent is distracted by your horde of fexes.

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MARINELETS
BTFO
YOU ARE LIKE A LITTLE BABY

>>54199108
What about tervigons?

>>54197509
Nah, just wait of the next imperial armor

What are some space marine chapters that specialise in fleet boarding actions ?

>>54199208
I'm guessing Astral Knights do, with them being void based or something along those lines.

>>54199208
They're all good at boarding, but the best would probably be any chapters good at close combat like space sharks and blood angels.

>>54199208

Carcharodons are the first one that comes to mind.

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>>54196309
Jesus did you even read it or did you suck dakka dakka cunt until the bitch infected you?

Enforcers = Commisars
Devotions replace orders
And the fact you can ally with fucking chaos units is the final benefit of fielding them.

Sorry but no one gets special snowflake bullshit this edition so quit bitching and play the god damn game.

The door is right the fuck over there moron.

>>54198354
Put some gear on those aspiring champions.

>>54199029
I thought it was the gay pride parades. That really is a gay hobby.

>>54199166

Great if you run gaunts

Don't bother otherwise.

>>54199282
How is a one day a year event a hobby?

>>54199241
>Astral Knights

all thirty of them

>>54199308
>Once a year
Where do you live?
This bloody things are almost weather predictions
It is going to be sunny with slight chance of gay parade.

>>54199282
>nerd hobby
>gay pride parades
pick one
>>54199321
So what if there are only 30 of them?

>>54199328
Where the fuck do you live? Providence? San Francisco? Cause in the rest of the real world faggots dont get away with that much shit

>>54199108
I'm not sure if going nidzilla - entirely - is feasible this edition.

Since tyranid monsters don't have good saves they're vulnerable to lascannons, flamers and I'd say even standard bolters.

You need gribblies for distraction.

>>54199208
Carcharodons are basically space marine pirates

>>54199364
SA, we have one like almost every month. It got annoying as fuck.

Someone on the other side of the globe does something, and the idiots organize another parade/protest/rally/meeting/seminar

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>>54199208
Marines Errant.

>>54199383
To add to this, most nid monsters don't actually have that many attacks, so may struggle to hack through big blobs of infantry before the game ends. Little gribblies can also provide lots of attacks to help with this.

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>>54199268

There are no characters in the renegade list. They forgot to give the key word to the commander and enforcers meaning the only thing keeping your 30 shitty overpriced and worse version conscripts from running can be sniped at will.
Unit size changes from unit sheet to the point cost table.
They took everything that made the army good and fluffy and threw it out of the window to replace it with shitty overpriced units which are useless.

>>54199460
It is only an index, sure they'll fix it when they officially start releasing books.

>>54198776
>>54198756
>>54198825
I got some spare marines to do a test on, ill post my results

>>54199479
Use vallejo airbrush primer for best results followed by 2 layers of yellow.

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>>54195962
Looks vaguely like a Tomahawk, you get a gold star.

>>54199438

Oh that's a new one on me. Good find. I like!

40K noob here

Can Orks loot tanks/Vehicles from other factions for gameplay? (i.e Looted Leman Russ tank, Land Raider etc)

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What would be a cool SM chapter to have working along with Sisters that isn't Black Templars?

>>54199108
>going nidzilla in horde edition

>>54199068

Never move into a Blood Raven neighborhood

Dem Ravens gon break into yo house and take yo shit

>>54199595
Grey Knights :^)

>>54199580
Used to be able to, but no.

>>54199068
Blood Ravens are niggers now? I thought they only stole suspiciously valuable artefacts.

>>54199608

Aww, alright then. :(

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>>54199595
Mentors

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Mentors

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>>54199602

>>54199534
Thanks anon for the conversion idea.

>>54199595
Fire Angels or Red Hunters. The Red Hunters have the inquisitorial mark in their chapter standard and the Fire Angels fucking love the SoB to the point that it's ALMOST reciprocated.

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>>54199641
"Quick lads, theres one there! Get her blood!"

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>>54199636

>>54199595
Howling Griffons.

>>54199655
>grey knights are just a khornate cult LARPing as loyalists
lmao

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>>54199595
>>54199651
>http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Fire_Angels
>This Chapter is also unusually active and demonstrative in its faith in the Imperial Cult for Astartes, which has won it political support from within the Ecclesiarchy and allies amongst the Cardinals Solar. As a result, the Fire Angels have fought successfully alongside the Adeptus Sororitas and in numerous Wars of Faith since their inception. Their aid is often times actively sought by the Synod of the Adeptus Ministorum as well as the Ordo Hereticus of the Inquisition.

Mentors are cool too.

>>54199658
The Fresh Makers Chapter

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>>54199708
Adeptus Orthodontus?

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>>54198977
Done

How many points is a Wolf Guard Pack Leader, the same as the other models in the unit? I don't see it anywhere in the values table.

>>54198884
>If you play termagants take the mandatory Tervigon with them, merge into one 30 strong squad to benefit from their >20 rule
But if you wanna zilla, drop all troop but warriors in 2x squads of 6/5
Drop the gargoyles
Bioplasma on fexs is bad, short ranged and expensive. You might as well go in melee or get a Biocanon.
Wrecker claws are the shit with the scything tail, try that. Scything tail does not force you to attack with it, nor limits you to 1 attack, so you can freely clean tanks or hordes as you wish.
Downgrade to trygon (regular) and give him the warriors, the other warrior squad gets a biocanon and babysits the exocrine.

rending claws are kinda bad imo but someone is probably gonna call me a faggot for it. Give regular Scything talons and a biocanon to the flyrants. Or two Scything talons and get that sweet +1 attack.
Consider getting Hiveguards as well they are the shit.

>>54199759
If he's a squad sergant then yes.

>>54199759
The same unless you put him in termie armor. Sarges don't cost nuthin in 8th, t's why MSU is not totally dead

>>54199636
>What the fuck am I reading

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>>54199783
>thanks to the FAQ SoB superior can triple wield
>pistol, ranged and melee
>SB and melee is cheaper than a single combi-weapon

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>>54198756
More time consuming than hard, since yellow takes a few layers to fix any mistakes if you slip.

My advice is to buy a can of Averland Sunset spray. You will save yourself a lot of effort. Pic related is brushed onto a white undercoat, and it taken a while to get it looking solid.

>>54199268
Every "point" you made is factually incorrect, missinformed or simply irrelevant.

I won't burden your mind with a long row of disadvantages inherent to renegades I just have 2 things for you consider.

FW will not release faction specific codex.

"Muh ally matrix" doesn't work as an argument when IG gets the exact same thing but better.

It goes without saying that your comparison with enforcers etc are extremely missguided and factually wrong.

>>54199835
>Averland
You have to go back.

Is it possible to make someone roll Perils using the Abomination/Psychic Abomination rules?

>>54199835
Spray primers of different colors are God sent to be people who do not want airbrush

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>>54199460
Because common sense and faq/errata do not exist.

FFS who is going to deny the enforcers are not characters? Who gives a shit about unit size differences....pick one and play.

This kind of bitching is getting tiring and boring. THERE IS NO PERFECT GAME. This gamr is immense. GW could have told everyone to fuck off and wait and you and your ilk continue to fucking bitch.

X-Wing has like a thirty page faq. NOT PERFECT.
BATTLETECH is a new type of matatics in complexity.
Dropfleet/zone both have garbage indices and rule books and have units that are shockingly poor.
Infinity is boring as shit.
Warmachine latest edotion may have just killed the game entirely.
AoS is kinda simplified.
Kings of War is over complicated and boring.
Star Wars armada has eight billion tokens and a large faq already.

Shall I go on? Point is you like 40k. Play evil guard or play something else I do not give a shit. But do not expect broke as all hell shit in eighth and then bitch about it when GW in this edition is explicitly anti bullshit.

>>54199782
>>54199783
Hes not really the sergeant, its like a second extra sergeant.
>The same unless you put him in termie armor.
The Grey Hunters can take a Terminator WGPL, there's an entry for extra runic terminator armor but not terminator armor so I dunno how much it would be if anything.

Did FW ever released a FAQ? Or i need to wait for an imperial armor with more kriegers for the krieg Tank Commander rules?

>>54199856
Too bad rattle cans are still piss poor quality

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>I know I won’t be able to contribute my wins in the campaign directly to the establishment of rightful Necron supremacy but I’ll be able to at least upset the balance of the Imperium and Chaos factions, both of whom are obviously laying false claim to the galaxy. I’ll be sure to take any chance I get to seek out and crush any loyalist or traitor forces, I’ll make sure to bring the full might of my Necrons to bear and crush those young pups. I’m particularly looking forward to messing with the Imperial agenda, as they seem to have set up shop on more planets than Chaos across the galaxy, and – not sure if I mentioned this already – but all those planets belong to me.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/06/mustering-for-the-fate-of-konor-our-armies-july6gw-homepage-post-3/

It's good to see that xenos player have come to terms with their situation. Good for you guys.

>>54199899
The NPCs are handling this shit better than the Chaoscucks lmao

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>>54199871
>THERE IS NO PERFECT GAME
Wait, how in the fuck is kings of war overcomplicated?

>>54199918
>implying

Chaos won EoT. They will win FoK.

>>54199364

>providence

Wat

>>54199927
>chaos won a campaign from 4 editions ago
Good to know.

>>54199941
Faggot capitol of the east coast

>>54196086
The core mechanics are generally fine. The cover rules are bad, some individual unit rules are written in stupid ways, balance is broadly much better but there are still cases where some units are just terrible and others are must takes.

It's an improvement over 7th, but it feels incomplete

>>54199942
>Chaos getting a Death Guard codex and new models and rules
>the setting will be flooded with diseased neckbeards and their new Death Guard armies.

It's in the bag

>>54199966
Death Guard are kinda mediocre honestly outside of the Blight Drone and maybe the Poxwalkers

Shadowsun.
>Kau'yun + master of war again
>stealth suits are now bodyguards
O'shonen
>Mont'ka + master of war again
>okay in melee
Looks like shadowaif wins.

>>54199926
Calling the LOTR a simple game, anon please.

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>>54199871
>KoW is overcomplicated
>Infinity is boring

40k is my favourite game but both of those statements are false (the first one objectively, the second subjectively)

>>54199044
Rhinos are 72 points

>>54198593
Not at all. They removed the word "other" from longstrikes version of the rule, implying he might buff himself.

Then they put up a FW unit focus on stone crusher carnifexes which said OOE buffs "all carnifexes", including stone crushers, which he RAW doesn't because the rule does not use keywords, then GW took that unit focus down from the community website.

Nobody has any fucking idea what the intent is at this point but RAW is still no.

>>54199998
But it is simple, game doesn't even have armor saves.

Straken, Command Squad, Nork in a Valk

Effective MC hunting unit or overcosted mess? I want something to literally tackle MCs that go for my Arty.

>>54200034
chess doesnt have armor save either and chess rules fit on 1 A4 page.
What is your point ?

>>54199044
replace multimeltas with reaper autocannons, throw in some power weapons

>>54199987
How many Pox Walkers can we fit into a 2000 point list, and will it be an effective strategy.

>>54200039
Why not a valk full of plasma command squads? 12 slots is enough for three command squads or two with a company commander for orders

>>54200000
Nice digits

Not that anon, but Infinity will be even more boring the day someone release a real weeb Game.

>>54200039
An overcosted, but fun mess. I'm planning to run Straken, Nork, a Priest and a Psyker in a Chimera with a Scion squad. I've used Straken before, but he costs a lot for what he can do.

If you want a good MC hunting unit, just use 6-8 Bullgryn. Cheaper and will do more damage. Use a blob of 30ish Conscripts to protect your artillery from being charged or deepstruck next to.

>>54200039
Or why not just turn the valk into a vendetta? Can't go wrong with six lascannons

>>54200094
How many poxwalkers do you intend to buy and how do you intend to buy them?

>>54200057
You don't need a very detailed set of rules to allow for a good game. Just solid ones that don't need 12 interpreters.

>>54200096
What and the other Commanders? You have to pay for a Commander for every Command Squad.

>>54200098

Straken, priest, 3 bullgrin in valk
Bork, 3 bullgryns in another valk

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Should I build a Toxicrene or a Maleceptor?

I've had this kit for months and haven't built it yet.

>>54200109
You lose half the transport capacity.

>>54200115
If you don't have two commanders in your army, load it with one special weapon squad, one command squad and the commander. That's still seven plasma with rerolls, not as good as two command squads but still decent

>>54200130
Magnets.

Also they're both shit, but the toxicrene is better.

>>54199871
>kings of war
>complicated
so you're retarded then

>>54200109

Tbh they are both meh as gun platforms since they have the hit chance of conscripts.

The big redeeming factor is the "move 20", drop cargo, cargo moves and charge" bit.

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>>54200151
>AoS is kinda simplified
Was there ever any doubt?

>>54200144
Yeh I don't do magnets I just buy more stuff. I like to hobby and make complete models.

If they're both shit should I just go out and buy a tyrannofex? I just want a weekend project cuz I'll have time.

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>>54200132
Not anymore

110 points base, 20 points per lascannon

>>54199308
I consider larping one of my hobbies and i only do it once per year, so... yes?

>>54200184
Sorry, 40 points per "twin lascannon" which ends up the same.

>>54200181
Tyrannofex is kinda shit too. Get an exocrine.

>>54200181
The Tyrannofex is also bad. Do you have an exocrine?

>>54199835
Averland looks more orange than yellow.

>>54200109
Door gunners and Catachans seems alot more thematically IT AINT ME

>>54200184
>CANNOT TRANSPORT OGRYNS
That's a thing. Does the Valk have this?

>>54200199
>>54200200
Yeah I have an exocrine. I also have a kit to make a second but again same debate with the haruspex.

>>54200181
Exocrine, Tervigon, 2 Carnifex, 3 Hive guards, 3 Venomthropes should all prove around the same amount of work and will look not only better but actually see use after the first time you put them on the table

>>54200226

It does not.

>>54200233
I don't have any venomthropes yet... but I have 3 malanthropes which kinda do the same thing and also help my big guys.

I have three hive guard I'm waiting for my shop to get more in stock.

For 315 points you can get 5 Wolfguard bikes with a Thunderhammer, Chainswords, Stormshields, and Combi-meltas. Then the Rune Priest biker has an aura cover spell. So you can get a deathstar of say 10x guys with m14 t5 w2 sv2+/3++ that's good against all targets and can tank an entire army. That seems pretty good.

>>54199207
Does this mean 3 damage super charged plasma, and elysian assault krag + frag spam are gonna be around for a while?

>>54200161
It's a cheap T7 14W 3+ platform, use hover, it will still begin the game with hard to hit if you go second

Do the late game objective grabbing/transportation after it runs out of targets

>>54200272
>that's good against all targets and can tank an entire army

What does it do when it hits a blob of conscripts?

>>54200130
>>54200181
>>54200200
>>54200199
>>54200229
>>54200233
>>54200269

What about Crones or Harpies?
>which is better

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>>54199208
Imperial Fists or any other fleet based chapter, you could come up with an IF successor that specializes in boarding actions exclusively.

There's also the chapters that were stationed around the eye of terror, not sure if they still exist but they would most certainly be focused on naval operations as they cannot assault into the eye of terror and must fight the heretic from getting out of the eye.

>>54195962
>Brother Redemptor, would you kindly remove these arches in front of my face so my view is not obstructed when looking down upon my foes?

>>54200310
Harpy is better by far. They poop mortal wounds and have better shooting.

The hive crone is meant to be for air superiority but it's weapons are too weak to actually hurt aircraft and it's melee is mediocre.

>>54200129
Sounds fun. This is a list I'm thinking about trying.

Straken
Psyker
Pask in LRBT

Nork
Harker
Priest
Commissar
Astropath
4 Bullgryn
4 Bullgryn

2x Chimera
1x Valkyrie

90 Conscripts
2x Infantry squads with HB and Plasma
3x 5 Scions with Plasmas

2x Basilisk
1x Manticore

Straken, Nork, the Psyker and a Scion squad ride together in a Chimera. 4 Bullgryns fly in the Valkyrie, 4 go in the other Chimera. The Conscripts, Harker, the Astropath and the artillery stay back. The other Scions deepstrike, the infantry squads go for objectives and take potshots, Pask stays back and picks off vehicles.

>>54200350
Shit I meant 30 Conscripts, 90 points. Brain fart.

>>54200226
God damn I love Ogryns because of that whole "terrified of tiny spaces" thing.
I literally picture a Commissar talking to them and getting them all excited about fighting the enemy, like they are gentle and kind because he's the boss, but absolutely rip the enemy to shreds

>>54199700
>i wasn't around during 5th

>>54200278
>3 damage super charged plasma
who has this?

>>54200310
Harpies are excellent, crones are meh

give the harpies stranglethorn cannons, heavy venom cannons are still crap

Remember that despite the 10-30 movement they can turn on the spot and charge/be charged. They're kinda bad in close combat and have to always fall back because of the minimum movement, but the scream can be useful in big combats and they can use the sporemines cysts to snipe characters with flyover mortal wounds before going in.

>>54199460
dont worry you fared better than the corsairs did, they are almost entirely removed from the game

>>54200387
Imperial Armour - astra mil plasma weapons when supercahrged.

>>54200392
>heavy venom cannons, more expensive than a lascannon and also fucking terrible

>>54199003
It's not even that simple, you see Dark Angels are literary a homo joke on GW's part.

Their primarch is named after a fag poet, their homeplanet "The Rock" is named after a homo bar in Nothingham.
Dark Angel is a poem by said fag about him wanting to fuck men but feeling dirty for thinking so.
Therefore dark as in forbidden, angel as in something nice.
Brilliant.

>>54200094
20 poxwalkers cost the same as 5 plague marines. Use them as chaff, unless you have Typhus near a unit, at which point they're just smaller Ork Boyz

>>54200361
I like them as anti MC because of the image of a bunch of retard cavemen clubbing a Trigon to death

How many of your games end early? I'm still steamrolling everything as Ynnari, albeit talking more losses than before.

>>54200305
Shooting and charging kills 30 or so cons. Better against tarpits than something like a Knight.

>>54200226
nope, I regularly run 2 valks with 4 bullgryns in each

nearly auto charging 34 autocannons worth of attacks turn 1 on a 3+ is so good, shame that the FAQ stopped us having bullgryn commanders telling them to fight again in the shooting phase but oh well

>>54200441
Same. by turn 2 we basically know who wins.
Steamrolling with my drones and xv109

>>54200394
Don't remind me. I converted up a 2000pt corsair army out of wyches, warriors, guardians, and the corsair kit, with multiple barons, a prince, and a voiddreamer all converted out of multiple character kits.

>>54200457
Some still say anons are still waiting for proffs pics.

Does Fix Bayonets give you an EXTRA cc round or just changes the timing for the unit so they do it in the Shooting INSTEAD of the Fight?

>>54200386
I started in 4th buddy

>>54200474
extra cc round

>>54200474
extra

>>54200472
>Some still say anons are still waiting for proffs pics.
What does this mean?

>>54200521
I think he means "proof pics".

>>54200347
>>54200392
Alright awesome maybe I go out and buy two Harpies instead.

How do you help them in terms of synapse?

>>54200603
It's mostly irrelevant this edition so long as you position appropriately.

Are gk getting new models soon?

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is there anything id be able to use him as in a death guard army i really love this fat rat

>>54200650
looks like a guy that plays in my FLGS

>>54200625
no

>>54200111
Theyre about $1 each on ebay my man

>>54200659
thanks.. any source though?

>>54200603
Hardly matters

Single model won't ever take morale tests and the only other penalty for being out of synapse is you can only shoot/charge the nearest target. With the harpy's huge movement that's easy to set up.

>>54197285
This is the sort of "technically legal" that is going to make people not want to play you. But to answer your question, yet, this is legal.

>>54200668
No.

>>54199700
>the imperiun is just a khornate cult LARPing as loyalists

I mean look at their skull obsession.
Skulls for the Skull Throne!

>>54200685
Nice

>>54200658
Turn him into a chink and give him an obsession with Poxwalkers and it's basically the same as a guy in my LGS too.

>>54200696
>meanwhile Emps destroys Lorgars shit because he wants to "starve out" chaos, all while Imperium shit is religious as Fuck and easily treads the thin line

>>54200650
Use him as a chaos spawn.

>>54200716
>im incapable of understanding the imperial truth
Ok lorgar

>>54200712
Asians can be fat?

>>54200730
No shit. Look at sumo wrestlers.

>>54199951

I've lived in Rhody my whole life and have no idea what you mean bruh

Sure you don't mean Provincetown?

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>>54200330
I really dislike helmeted dreads for some reason. I think it ruins that sarcophagus aesthetic from the old ones.

Can the Ministrorum employ Inquisitors?

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Okay, so let me get this straight. I can create an IMPERIUM keyword detachment, and I can fill that detachment with any units that have the keyword IMPERIUM, regardless of what army they actually come from?

So, for instance, I can have a detachment where all my infantry are Space Marines, but I can use IG artillery, and it would work because they're all from keyword IMPERIUM?

That's a lot of interesting possibilities.

>>54200728
>thinking you can starve the chaos gods when they are literally fueled by human nature and you yourself use powers of the warp

Emperor was retarded. He didn't have to consider himself a God, but he didn't have to wreck Lorgars shit and also be so autistic when the Imperial Cult is an extremely effective way at controlling the masses

>>54200737
Those train to be fat.

>>54200754
Yeah. There are a few meme lists circulating around based on it.

>>54200754
Yes, expect the codices to bring more restrictions and bonuses for complying to those restrictions.

>>54200111
There's an Easy to Build box of them coming soon. 6 Poxwalkers for 12 yurobucks. Sure there's fuck all variety, but you can get a bunch of them relatively quickly.

>>54200740
Thats the one. Idk. All i know is theres a lot of gay shit that goes on over there

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>>54200763
Then look at all those fat fuckin brats that run around in mainland china. Like this little piggy over here.

>>54200170
>Was there ever any doubt?
But he is right about AoS.

>>54200763
>train to be fat
???

>>54200130
In my opinion, the Toxicrene got hit with a massive nerf bat to the face while the Maleceptor got a slight buff. Personally I'm going to build it as a Maleceptor because a) I like the fluff, looks and rules and b) the phrase "as broad as a Baneblade thanks to the tentacles" is not exactly a selling point for a Tyranid model, which are atrocious to transport at the best of times.

>>54200798
Age of Skub is beyond "kinda simplified".

>>54200809
Yes.

>>54200754
Most likely until the actual codex books come out and they restrict what you can take.

>>54200272
>2+/3++
>2 Wounds per model
>Deathstar
Gosh, that's cute. What was that? Mortal Wounds? Never heard of them.

Here is your ally matrix for the codexes, fresh from that spot near my prostate.
Order
>Imperium, Eldar, Slaneesh
Chaos
>self explanatory
Death
>necrons
>tyranids
Stand alone
>orks
>tau

>have some old marines
>buy some new marines
>half my marines on 25mm, half on 32mm
I've somehow ended up with an assault squad which has four guys on 32mm and one guy on 25mm, would you be bothered by this if we were to play a game?

>>54200836
No, no, let him. Then when he inevitably gets BTFO by magnus and co we can watch the autistic rage

>>54200861
dark eldar? harlequins?

>tau isn't order
lol

>>54200836
But then what if you're fighting an army that can't deal mortal wounds?

>>54200861
>slaanesh
>order

you wat m8

>>54200861
>slaanesh
>order
What am I even reading?

>>54200878
They are too antagonistic to the Imperium.
Also Slaneesh is in both order and chaos.

Will carapace armour make a return when the IG book is released?

>>54200897
>>54200896
You can't take the elves in without their baggage.
Their futa baggage.

>>54200914
With Stormtroopers as troops I dont think so but it could be an upgrade for certain regiments.

>>54200914
Probably not. It used to be about 2pts per model, and for that you can just have stormtroopers which are better.

>>54200900
fucking what do you mean they are too antagonistic, that has nothing to do with order.
they are the definition of order. The imperium and the t'au are both highly organized, just in different ways
enjoy the (you)

>>54200730
>not having 3tb of thicc asian porn saved
get out normy

>>54200964
>thicc is fat

>>54200950

Shame.
My lads are modelled with plate armour, and their lasguns are too long to look like hotshot lasguns.
Storm trooper rules look fairly good for msu armies anyway.

Do Necron Warriors go on 25mm or 32mm bases? They come with 32mm bases, which is weird because Immortals come with 25mm bases.

Only issue I see is a warrior's feet hang off the edges of a 25mm slightly due to their wide ass stance.

Want to check now before I start basing my army.

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I'm playing against Orks tomorrow, I dont expect too many Ork blobs as he doesnt own that many boys and I refuse to play conscripts.

How does this list look?

>>54200868
My OCD would irk.
But only screeching autists will actually call you on that, and if those are the kind of ppl you have to play with, find a new gaming group.

>>54200874
Magnus is good against everything so why does that matter. If anything they are better against him because stormshields mitigate his attacks better than most things.

>>54201044

Strange. My warriors and immortals came on 32mm

>>54200950
Nah, i want my veteran grenadiers back.

NOVA primer
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>>54195922

> Be Blood Angels
> Don't want to field manlets
> Don't want my opponent to throw a shitfit that my 'Primaris' are 1W
> Definitely don't want a disqual for putting buffing auras onto a 40mm base

What do?

>>54201051

Needs more cheese and broken units

>>54201051
You play against Orks. Bring about anything you want and you will do well.

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Is having a Baneblade or an Imperial Knight in a 2000 pts Guards army a good idea, or a retarded one ?

>>54201082
>spend all that time painting NMM but don't bother filing down the chaos spikes on the jump pack vents

Fucking triggered 10/10

>>54201085
I figure the punisher, taurox, and manticore are cheese enough.
>>54201111
I thought orks where good this edition?

>>54201065

Were the Immortals at one point on 25mm? My box of 5 came with one of the 4 base sprues + 1.

>>54200823
>Age of Skub
Still mad groggy?

>>54201124
Good idea. At 2000 points, it's about time to start adding in a LoW.

So basically, after 1500 points, you're looking for a LoW to add.

Shadowsword is often one of the best options, simply as a hard-counter vs other Titanic enemies. It can also basically pop the fuck out of vehicles and monstrous creatures.

>>54201133
They are mediocre, not R&H kind of bad but really lackluster. They lack speed and/or survivability as a close combat race and their shooting suck as much as before. Also, while boyz became a viable choice, some of their previously decent units (lootas, bombas, mek guns) lost their efficiency.

tldr : if your list is decent as IG you shouldn't have much trouble dispatching them.

>>54201160
What about a Stormlord ?

>>54201044
They are both in 32mm but Imortals where once on 25mm.

Also, if you don't like the "don't mind me, just taking a shit here" Warriors stance you can easily reposition their legs by cutting them and a bit of greenstuff. You have some tutorials on the net, look them up, it's pretty easy and makes Warriors much more dynamic.

>>54201124

No, just add more conscripts.
They'd literally out shoot either of those units anyway.

>>54201051
First time that i notice the Tempestus scion 10 man squad can take 4 special weapons

>>54200453
I don't why you think bullgryn could get orders. They are militarum auxillia not infantry/(regiment)

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So would you consider 40k's setting to be "post-apocalyptic", or still set during one that is tens of thousands of years long?

The way I see it, it's been one drawn out fall of man since the end of the Dark Age of Technology.

>>54201247
Because you could just make an officer of Militarum Auxilla?

>>54200881
Then you are facing the kind of opponent you don't need Deathstars against and should feel bad for fielding one.

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>>54201263
*Horus Heresy

>>54201061
Are you fucking retarded? Magnus deals D6 Mortal Wounds with a 40-ish percent chance for dealing 2D6 instead. Your shitty Storm Shields do fuck all against mortal wounds and Magnus shits out enough of them to kill your so-called Deathstar in a single good roll.

>>54201171
Orks are great m8 the only issue is that IG are faggots.

>>54201283
Even before the HH I still say is the apocalypse. Humanity was in a much better state than now for sure, but the path to damnation was already set with the Nids, Necrons, and of course Chaos looming over everything.

Even with the emps, it was already a stagnating corpse of an empire built upon the ashes and remnants of a far greater past.

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Have Riptide with Ion Arm
Should I build my ghostkeel with fusion collider?

>>54201294
KYS my man I'm not talking about his shitty smite. Also doesn't change my premise. I'll kill your magnus with 300 conscripts HURR fagget.

>>54200868
I wouldn't play with you.
I would call the LGS representative over, and have you forcibly removed from the premises due to cheating through modelled advantage.
I would ensure they took screen grabs of you from their cctv and put you on their publicly available blacklist.
Thanks for coming.

>>54201239
Yeah It's pretty sweet.

>>54201171
Alright good to know thank you.

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>>54201124
*Manta Strike 18 away with 6 commander*
*Easily kills the baneblade on average*

Anata no tame ni subete no jinsei wa byōdō ni tsukura rete irunode, watashi wa jinsei ni modotta nodesu. Shikashi, anata wa tsuini sore o jitsugen suru yō ni narimashita,-sōde wa arimasen ka? Hitotsu no mono dake ga subete no tame ni hitoshī, soreha shidesu

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Is the mekboy junka in the new FW indexes?

>>54201275
You can be powerful without dealing mortal wounds, what about dark eldar?

>>54201352
Destroy or sell your Riptide and play an only Ghostkeel army.

>>54201075
Nothing of value house rules strike again

>>54201385
Good to know that poorfag had bad taste, so he used a shitty Graze for that shitty Riptide.

>>54201392
Why?