Legend of the Five Rings General: Hida Quesadilla Edition

Are going to see a new card preview article today or just some gay ass fiction?

>>54167272
Gay ass fiction, fampai. It alternates weeks. One week is the clan fiction, the next week is the clan's card preview. From the few leaked cards, Crab have a defensive Holding thing going on as well as card sacrifice mechanics to buff others.

So that samurai who died, that was Hida O-Ushi's mother right?

Is there a guide or something to japanese names?

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>>54167725
No, but by and large they aren't tricky. There's no silent letters and syllables always end on vowel sounds.

So they're definitely doing the Crab/Shadowlands alliance right?

>>54168002
I hope not, that was the worst part of the original arc.

>>54167769
I'm talking more on the kanji side, not how to pronounce them.

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>>54167194
>Have a fuckhueg wall
>Fight the enemy on the ground

Crab Clan, everyone.

>>54168274
They are the Wall, anon. They must interpose themselves between things they love and the enemy, and they love their wall. They die for the wall. The wall is love, the wall is life.

>>54168403

And these guys are the dedicated pragmatists of the setting? Is this some kind of a joke?

>>54168508
Honestly the real reason was laid out earlier in the fiction where the wall was damaged and the Kaiu are scrambling to do their repair work. They're trying to avoid another incident where a huge chunk of the wall gets fucked and the Kaiu have even more to do with less people.

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>>54168274
>what are siege weapons and vehicles
>what is tunneling
>what is infiltration
>what is the influence of the taint and how bad things are gonna go if it's gonna be on BOTH sides of the wall

Sometimes you just gotta go out your front yard and shank the bastards trying to tear your house down, you know?

>>54168581

The breach was seemingly in another province. Unless I missed something and it was raining during the whole fic (it was raining at the near-breach, the Kaiu chick straight-out mentioned it).

>>54168593

I take the Attack of the Maw (that had all of those) for 500, Matt.

>>54168723
>The breach was seemingly in another province. Unless I missed something and it was raining during the whole fic (it was raining at the near-breach, the Kaiu chick straight-out mentioned it).

Yes, but they didn't have the manpower to repair multiple breaches. A proactive defense was going to be more beneficial in the long run than waiting for the army's attack.

>>54168723
Thats where it was worse.

And it was even worse than they expected.

>Kaiu Daimyo is now super-competent girl
>Hiruma Daimyo now a girl too and a super ninja
>Kuni Yori is a literal moustache-twirling Saturday cartoon villain now
>Yasuki Daimyo faied in his duty and his son is nervous and jumpy when addressing Kisada
>O-Ushi is now the bestest Hida child taken to 11
>Her two brothers are almost comically weak in body or mind
>Kisada needed saving in battle by another Hida ma-
>Nope wait that heroic sacrifice was ALSO a girl

Am I the only one that's seeing this? I feel like one of those retarded MAGA /pol/ faggots even typing this but the 'girl power' was glaringly obvious to me. Most all the cool and competent heroes in the new fictions are female.

>>54169624
No it was pretty obvious form the moment they gender swaped Hoturi. I can only hope Hotaru gets fisted by Fu Leng just as hard as Hoturi did.

>>54169734
Genderswap but keep Kachiko female just to have a scandalous lesbian couple in prominent position, never mind that Kachiko can't get pregnant from this.
I wasn't actually worried about them changing the Champions to match the original Kami's genders, I thought that was cool so I let it slide, but after these new fictions I'm getting more and more concerned about the agendas of the writing team.

>>54169624
3 out of 5 daimyos are men as are the only two likely to be deeply plot relevant. The daimyos of families being super good at their jobs is also not a shock. Deep breath anon.

Though I feel bad for the Yasuki. Every other daimyo both appeared and was very successful. They were both absent and failures. Yakamo has always been a stupid brash faggot at this point in his life also. I felt his brother and O-Ushi were pretty accurate to what was expected to. O-Ushi has always been the best of them though I wanted her to also share a bit more of Yakamo's brash faggotry at this point since she was a bit like that too. She just got over it much faster before

>>54168045

Jisho.org is a pretty good Japanese dictionary that lets you search for words or individual kanji in a bunch of different ways. The pronunciation guides are in kana, though, so you might need a kana chart open in another tab to read that.

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Best girl is back in the hizzouse

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>>54170200
>got over it much sooner
>sooner

O-ushi had the bully keyword on damn near every card she had. Her bio in Way of the Crab flat out stated she was the sterotype of an unrully tomboy and "...comments openly on the pleasures of 'The Beast with Two Backs'" She would shock people by talking about her favorite fuck position. Yakamo settled down once Fu Leng shoved the Ancestral Sword of the Hantei into Kisada's innards, O-Ushi didn't come close to settling down until after he arranged a tourney to get her married.

So...what the fuck lore have you been reading, anon?

>>54170904
I was pointing out she should be busy being a brash faggot with her brother at this point in her life. She and Yakamo both stop being such faggots in time, just not right now.

>>54170955
Oh yeah I did have the order backwards though you got me. I caught the retards there for a minute and flip flopped timelines in my head.

So what was her favorite position?

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Hida Tomonatsu?

>>54171043
It'd be a bit odd to make card art for a minor character they're gonna kill off in a story fluff piece, wouldn't it?

Besides, that big hammer means it's probably the great ox.

>>54171106
I think FFG people have insisted it isn't O-Ushi when asked. I doubt she, or any of Kisada's children, are getting a card in the core set. Can't overload the whole thing with two many known characters who you can give different cards for over monthly release cycles and deluxe boxes

>>54167194
I've lost all interest in L5R after AEG sold it.
The move back in time feels lame and the CCG cards look horrible with their White/Pink Cherryblossom theme. The new rules don't excite me at all.

>>54171153
I'm sorry for your horrible taste.
Don't let the door hit you on your way out.

>>54171153
I literally have the opposite opinion on all the subjective stuff from you.

>>54171153

I guess if the new rules don't grab you, that can't be helped. Sometimes things don't fit your taste. On the other hand, I think that it was a great idea to restart the story. They could make a mess of it, but at least they have a chance to get it right.

>>54171000
The beast with two backs... that's an actual position. Girl sitting in guys lap, facing each other.

>>54171153
I had three issues with L5R as AEG ran it. The first is the one everyone had... the devs shoving storylines down peoples throats and flat out lying about how much influence the tourney winners would have on said storyline development.

Second was Flavor of the Week Clan Favortism AEG seemed to forget that tribalsim is a big part of L5R, and when some Clans never made it into competitive tiers at all, and my Clan seemed to struggle to find their niche at all, it's only natural that people are going to get fed up of getting shat on by bows & boats or do x and get fucked do y and get fucked dishonor control, or honor runners that don't actually need to interact with their opponent in any way shape or form.

My last gripe may just be me, but I felt like the errata just got out of control at times, to where half your deck didn't work as printed.

I'm willing to give the reboot a shot it only because I won't go fucking bankrupt on an LCG.

I always eagerly anticipated new Stories but now I can't even be bothered to read the new stuff. Been there, done that.

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>>54171424
Good for you, I hate the new design and graphic choices the most. Mono no aware my ass. Could they be anymore pretentious?

>>54171688
I always thought that was just a euphemism for sex in general.

>>54172191
About 40% of words and word combinations in the English language are either a sex position, a euphemism for sex, or both.

>>54168508
Generally speaking, it's better to fight with a lot of space and support from high ground siege weapons and archers than to fight on a narrow platform next to your siege weapons and archers.

The wall barely even slows most oni, they just climb right up it or go through the tunnels, using goblins as trap canaries. Even the goblins will eventually figure it out after a few dozen of them go down the wrong tunnels.

>>54172118
To be fair, being a pretentious pri- noble is half the fun, so they know their target audiance.

>>54172915
Too bad this game will flop. Lots of money lost for FFG but I guess they can always make it back with their Star Wars licence.

>>54173091
Why on earth would you assume that? The property is an old one that some people will pick up just for the name and FFG has an existing fan base for their card games of people who knew jack about L5R beforehand.

It isn't guaranteed long term success if balance, company support, or other things are mishandled but as it is I think they're guaranteed to not be a flop out the gate.

>>54173122
>>54173091
The Inaugural tournament for the game at GenCon sold out its 704 seats in under a second. You have to realize that the game is also drawing on its old fans -- L5R the CCG ran for twenty years, being one of only a tiny handful of CCGs made in the 90s to survive past it. It had a hell of a community back in the day. Never quite to the level of Magic, or Pokemon, or Yugioh, but it was a solid 4th.

The long term prospects for the game are impossible to predict, but the short term prospects are huge. FFG is expecting L5R to be their biggest LCG release to date and there's no reason at this point to expect otherwise. Maybe they fuck it up and it ends up being Thrones 3.0 with a boring stale meta and everyone drops it within 6 months, but at least right now it's very promising.

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>>54173261
I'm honestly pretty excited for this, it'll be good to hear about how the game actually looks in full play. Plus odds are the story prize will be the next Emerald Champion, so I'm pulling hard for my Phoenix to represent and get us a Shiba in it.

>>54167555
What the hell gave you that idea?

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So do you think they'll do the utz shout at the GenCon tournament?

>>54174104

Almost guaranteed.

Am I reading this right, though? They sex-swapped Hoturi? Wtf, this isn't l5r then...

>>54174104
There have been a number of people who have said that if FFG doesn't lead the utz-banzai then they will.

So yes, it'll happen, one way or another.

>>54174203
It is now

Its just multiple universes. It isn't like Ultimate Marvel wasn't Marvel just because it wasn't 616. Get your comic book hat on for thinking about the changes to the setting, anon

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>>54174222
I kind of hope they live stream it then. I can't make it to gen con but I mean, this is basically the inauguration of the new game. I want to be there remotely, like obsessively following the live stream during Star Wars Celebration. But just for the one event.

>>54169734

Fu Leng is one hell of a guy.

Should I name my new character O-Gin the Viper?

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>>54174478
No, that sounds gayer than Liberace and Chris Crocker combined. And not the cool kind of gay like Freddie Mercury.

Pic is best Crab waifu.

>>54174559

That's not a waifu. That's a house husbando.

>>54174559
If he even exists we won't likely see a card of him for a while. The only art we've seen of Altansarnai is masked so no gauging if she's old enough for adult children or going to be another young and untested figure.

Is the nodachi any good?

>>54175092
NO
DACHI
In the first (and so far only) RPG session I've played someone with a nodachi landed a hit that did 50 damage. I did the math later; that wasn't even a lucky hit given the number of dice he was throwing. He only rolled 0.1 above the mean.

>>54175313
It has the Large keyword and no Samurai keyword. What does that mean for the weapon?

>>54175459
It means it triggers effects that reference the Large Keyword but not effects that reference the Samurai Keyword

Ex. Large Advantage, most attack as simple require certain keywords.

>>54175459
That peasants aren't executed for touching it even innocently. And also some schools can't use it for Simple Attack actions when their school specifies only Samurai keyword weapons

>>54175313

How did they get a roll of 10k6?

Sounds like someone messed up figuring out what they were rolling for damage.

>>54168042
You say that, but the overconfident and pragmatic response from Kisada to the empire increasingly belittling the Crab, cutting them out of fair trade deals, etc was one of my favourite parts of O5R.

>>54175711
3k3 base
3k0 from strength
1k0 from kenjutsu level 3
1k0 from the Large advantage
3k0 from three raises
1k0 from an additional raise via Bishamon's Blessing
= 10k5.

Okay, I miscalculated, you're right; he definitely rolled a bit above average to get 50 on 10k5. (I wasn't paying attention to what he rolled, just did the math afterwards and some how added that all up to 10k6.) And of course the trick here is actually landing an attack with 3 raises, as that is a very very significant increase in TN. But if you do... nodachi.

>>54175313
What was his roll? Nodachi is good, but not THAT good.

>>54175832

That should only be 10k4. It takes 2k0 excess to convert into +0k1.

Still 10k4 is a 14% of getting 50+

>>54175948
That's a good point. That's a DM issue, then; we were doing it 1:1. Thank you for bringing that up, I'll toss it over to my DM as that seems like kind of a big deal.

From what I recall, the whole "Crab are the wall" thing was new breath to the clan when it eventually happened. Feels odd to bring it about straight away.

>>54176093
I came into the game in 2009 and it was there as long as I knew it. When was this introduced?

>>54176093
>>54178229
According to other discussions on the internet the Kaiu wall wasn't present during the Imperial and Clan War timeframes as the 'shadowlands' in those times were supposed to vague incorporeal areas and not an actual part of the map, but was the current situation was retconned in by the time of the printing of the Way of the Crab sourcebook in 1998.

So yes, it is actually (marginally) possible that the Crab (or at least their wall) were stolen or at least inspired by the Night Watch from ASoIaF, since A Game of Thrones was published in 1996.

>>54178305
I mean, the Great Wall of China seems like the more obvious inspiration, predating either L5r or GoT by a little more than two years.

>>54178305
>Kaiu Wall wasn't present during the Imperial and Clan War timeframes

You are wrong. A simple trip to the Oracle of the Void proves it.

From Forbidden Knowledge, the third CCG set of Imperial/Clan Wars.
http://imperialassembly.com/oracle/#cardid=8171

From Time of the Void, the last set in the Clan Wars arc, 7th ever.
http://imperialassembly.com/oracle/#cardid=8113,#cnidprinting=4

>>54178407
>>54178305
I didn't mean The Wall itself, but the Crab saying, "We are The Wall." I recall it being something they grew into in the original fiction. Here it's their starting point. Not the only detail that's been jumpstarted, either.

>>54178620
As an addendum, Forbidden Knowledge came out in 1996 and Time of the Void came out in 1997.

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Goodnight samurai friends

>>54174230
Please don't bring that Americanist wrestling-tier /co/ bullshit to this too, please.

>>54182684
Its how this shit has always worked when alternate settings, timelines and outcomes come into play. Everything is just realms of yume-do, a dream within a dream forgotten by morning.

Good morning, Crab clan.

>>54185796
Good afternoon wall

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>>54167194
Hey, so I play ANR, but for a while now L5R has dominated FFG's news.
I get that it's a big acquisition, and launching a new game (with what I understand is a LOT of fans from it's time as a CCG (and RPG??)) is a big deal, and I've heard good things about it in general, so can I get a brief explanation of what the whole thing's about, who's who, why honour is everything, and all that?

So far what I can tell from the faction bios and what I've heard is that Dragon are monks who deal with fate and things, Crane are master courtiers (but uber-honourable), Lion are the military powerhouse (who do they fight? seeing as -> ), Crane are the defenders on the wall against the Shadowlands, and Scorpion are the dishonouabru sneaky assholes (for good, honest!).
And there's other clans, but I don't know how big or important they are.

Netrunner only has one weeb faction, but they have some cool shit.

>>54188184
Everyone is at perpetual war with each other because Samurai are a warrior caste, and thus they invent reasons to fight.

>>54188208
Seems semi-reasonable. Did I miss any major clans and/or what they do?

>>54188614
Well you listed Crane twice. Crab defend the wall. You missed Phoenix, who are supposed to be not so keen on the war, and really into mythology and stuff, and the Unicorn, a clan that really likes horses and other not japanese stuff.

>>54188614
Well, the Dragon aren't even mostly monks, their monks are just the out-of-game face of the clan.
The Lion not really having anything to fight is a constant thorn in their side. They often resort to fighting each other or whoever else they can pick a fight with. They basically exist so that when an Emperor wants something really, really dead, he has entire pre-built armies ready to go.

>>54188184
Honor is everything because the honor system was handed down by the literal gods who founded the empire, and it strongly affects the afterlife of samurai. Correctly playing your role in fate affects it much more, but Rokugan doesn't really know that.

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>>54188694
I meant crab, dunno why I said crane.

From what I've heard, Crab sound like cool guys... though I also heard something about them basically betraying the emperor at one point? Not sure how the whole history thing works.

What's the difference between Phoenix and Dragon, they sound kind of similar?

>>54188729
Ah that makes some sense (are there also non-shadowlands territories full of "uncivilised" people?)

So if Lion's foible is that they don't really have anyone to fight, Crab's is a lack of diplomacy-fu, Crane's is a lack of raw power (I hear they're alright duelists though), what's everyone else's weakness?

>>54188801
Dragon doesn't have any huge weakness, but they're held back by their (secretly eternal) leader's seemingly arbitrary decisions (They aren't arbitrary, but nobody except him can see the big picture) and a general lack of anyone caring about them. Also they tend to do very badly if there's any kind of food shortage, due to living in mountains.

The Phoenix are pure hubris. They're the best at magic and they make sure everyone knows it, to the point where they overstep themselves repeatedly.

The Unicorn are outsiders in a xenophobic society. That clan left the empire centuries ago and picked up a lot of foreign concepts and blood along the way.

Minor clans are literally irrelevant and tiny and can be squished like bugs.

>>54188801
Dragon climb to the tippytops of their mountaints, then fold up their legs, sit louts style, and ram the tippytop of the moutnain up their ass. Because they live above the treeline and can't build enough fences to sit on. The point is the Dragon are so busy persuing enlightnement they forget to to things like...well...everything.

The Phoenix, on the other hand will blow you up real good with big magic. And the Pheonix all hate themselves. Because there was this world shattering catastrophe that needed certain people to go deal with because fate or whatever and one of the duded who needed to go was perfectly fine with letting the world die UNLESS A LITERAL DEMIGOD BOWED TO HIM AND SWORE HIS DESCENDANTS WOULD PROTECT ASSHOLES DECEDENTS FOR ALL TIME. So the Phoneix is NOT run by the blood descendant of their Kami, as is proper, but buy five assholes who think being high level wizzards makes them smarter then everyone else. In the old lore they just had no sense of right and wrong, as you would expect.

I've been thinking of using a minor clan to potentially piss the monoclan PCs off enough to consider starting a war with them. They probably wouldn't need the whole clan in on it, so practically speaking, how and how many men could they muster?

>>54189078
Well by Imperial decree, Great Clans are forbidden from waging war on Minor Clans so...

>>54189099
Even unofficially?

>>54189099
There's always RYW.

>>54167769
But there are silent vowels and some syllables end with -n you fucking imbecile

>>54189078
Well, first of all, there's an imperial edict prohibiting war on minor clans. So if they're Great Clan, all the Minors have to do is cry to the emperor and watch the GC get fucked for trying.

If they go ahead with it anyway, they most likely only need a few hundred guys to completely ruin any given minor clan. Some of them don't even reach the double digits in total numbers (Never mind active fighting strength), and usually have less than 2 strongpoints in their entire tiny chunk of land.

>>54188801
>What's the difference between Phoenix and Dragon, they sound kind of similar
The Phoenix only has three families.

*percussive sting*

>>54189147
Is it really a war if you're just getting some boys to help you fuck a bunch of minor clan faggots up because they've wronged you?

>>54189045
So the families of the phoenix clan, they're the asshole's descendants?

What happened to the demigod's family?

>>54188801
>what's everyone else's weakness?

One day, a Ki-Rin was frolicking in the field. Her sister the Phoenix had told her to look out for the Scorpion, but the Ki-RIn was so busy playing and looking at all the new things that she only half-listened to her sister's warning.

While she was playing, a creature climbed upon a rock to watch. The Ki-Rin saw the creature and said "I have seen Flower, and I have seen Tree, and I have seen Horse, but I have not seen you. Who are you?"

The creature said, "I am Truth"

The Ki-Rin smiled. I am very pleased to meet you, friend Truth. Have you seen the Scorpion? My sister told me to watch for him, but I do not know what he looks like."

"Yes, I know Scorpion" said Truth.

"Can you tell me what he looks like?"

"Yes. In fact, let us go look for him now. If you put me on your back, we will go much faster than if we both walk."

"Good idea!" said the Ki-Rin. "Climb on my back, friend, and we will be off." Truth climbed on, and the two set off.

"So, what does Scorpion look like, Truth?"

"He has to very sharp pincers," said Truth.

Ki-RIn looked at Truth's two pincers, and nodded

"He has many legs,"

Ki_Rin felt Truth's many legs upon her back and nodded in understanding once more

"And he has a tail that drips deadly poison"

Ki-RIn looked at Truth's tail and exclaimed "Why Truth, Scorpion looks exactly like you!'

Truth smiled at Ki-RIn. "Yes. Yes he does."

Ki-Rin laughed then "It is fortunate I met you before I met him then!"

Truth nodded. "Indeed it is."

And Ki-Rin had nothing more to say.

>>54189199
Don't listen to the oldguard memers. They're still recovering from blind loyalty and faction hate based on what shitty writers did.

>>54189199
One of their families are asshole descendants and another are the descendants of the literal actual god.

When I say descendants, I don't actually mean that they're all actually related. Families with a capital F are made up of many bloodlines, and only the ruling one and a few that they've married off to can actually trace a line back to the founder. You could get a room with 100 different members of the same family and have no one even slightly related to each other.

>>54189199
The Isawa are the asshole's descendents. The Shiba are the demigod's descendants. And the Asako are the descendants of the demigod's best girl.

>>54189160
I actually liked the Agasha as Phoenix and the drama of their split with the Dragon due to Hitomi losing her mind. I will miss them but it all things must pass in the end

>>54189306
>Ki-Rin laughed then "It is fortunate I met you before I met him then!"
>Truth nodded. "Indeed it is."

BFFs for life

>>54189306
Once there was a Lion, sleeping in a sunny field. A scorpion came to him, and said "Lion, you are so large. I suppose you are the largest creature in all the lands."

The Lion replied "Yes, I believe I am."

"And, said the Scorpion, "You must be the bravest creature and strongest creature as well"

"That is what they say," said the Lion.

"My only advantage is my poison tail, and I suppose you could smash me underfoot before I had the chance to sting you even once"

"I could, quite easily" said Lion as he rose and stretched.

"In fact, if I stung you I doubt you would even notice."

Lion looked down at Scorpion curiously, and said "Perhaps. However I think I will step on you now so you will never have the chance."

"Oh but great Lion," said Scorpion, smilling, "I stung you five minutes ago while you were asleep."

And Lion had nothing more to say.

>>54189420
Oh, I know what you mean. I was a long time Phoenix player. Just a little self-depreciating humor on my part, remembering a time when we only had three families and everyone else had at least four.

>>54189500
Once there was a Crane and a Scorpion, sitting by the edge of a river. The Crane said, "Is it not funny, how the fortunes distributed their blessing among the creatures?"

Scorpion eyed Crane suspiciously. "What do you mean?" he asked

Crane smiled and said, "Look at me. Look at my beautiful wings, and feathers. I can fly and I can swim. Look at my perfect neck and my shining eyes. I am the envy of all the world."

The Crane looked down at Scropion, and said, "Look at you. All you have is your tail"

"Ah," said Scorpion. "But all that means is that you nothing to gain, and I have nothing to lose. And when you are old and have lost your feathers you will no longer be able to fly. And when you are fat and half-blind , you will no longer be able to swim. Then, when you are counting everything you have lost, I will be counting everything I have gained."

And Crane had nothing more to say.

>>54189657
Once long ago, a Scropion was walking along the beach with his brother, Crab. "Ah, Scorpion." Said Crab, "You have tricked Lion, and Crane, but you shall not best me. For I am safe within my armored house, and not even your poison sting can reach me here."

Scorpion eyed Crabs shell, and nodded wisely. "That is true, my friend. But how sad for you that you are trapped in such a prison."

"What?" said Crab. "This is not a prison, it is my home!"

"Of course," said Scorpion. "That is what everyone tells you. But if it were not a prison, you could take it off whenever you wanted too. Rather, I have heard that you were cursed, condemned to spend the rest of your life carrying your prison on your back."

Crab said, "I can take it off whenever I want to!"

Scorpion nodded sadly and said "I will be certain to tell everyone that."

Crab stomped in the sand "I can take my shell off whenever I want!"

Scorpion looked at him. "have you ever tried?"

Crab took his armored shell off and threw it on the ground. Scorpion smiled as they looked at each other.

And Crab had nothing more to say.

>>54189803

"I've made a huge mistake."

>>54189803
One day Scorpion came to Phoenix in her high mountain and said "I have a gift for you"

Phoenix backed away. "OH NO, brother Scorpion! I know all about you. I do not want your gift."

"Oh, really? Well, I will just leave it here then." Scorpion put the gift on the ground. "If you do not want it someone else surely will" Then, Scorpion walked away.

Phoenix looked at the gift. "What do I do? If I take it, and it is a trap, then I have been tricked. But if I do not take take it, and it was not a trap, then I will also have been tricked."

All day, Phoenix stared at the gift, pondering it. "Scorpion tricked Crab with his anger, and Lion with his pride, he tricked Ki-Rin with her ignorance and Crane with flattery. How does he mean to trick me?"

Soon, Mother Sun had crossed the sky and Father Moon began his nightly progress, but Phoenix had not moved one step. She was rooted in place, pondering Scorpions gift. When Phoenix looked up the next morning, she saw Scorpion watching her, and laughing.

And Phoenix had nothing more to say.

>>54189937
One day, Dragon came to Scropion and said "I saw how you tricked Ki-RIn"

Scorpion nodded.

Dragon continued "I saw how you tricked Lion"

Scorpion nodded once more

"I watched you trick Crane. I was there when you tricked Crab."

Scorpion looked at Dragon and nodded along

Dragon continued. "And I knew how you would trick Phoenix."

And Scorpion said, "And you stood by and did nothing."

And Dragon had nothing more to say.

>>54189990
>>54189937
>>54189803
>>54189657
>>54189500
>>54189306
These posts prove that 1e fluff is by far the best fluff. Also Way of Shinsei still has the best rules for Enlightenment.

>>54189990
One day, as Scorpion was planning his next trick, the Emperor came up to him

"Ah, little Scorpion" said the Emperor, "You truly are the most clever of all the creatures."

Scorpion smiled proudly at the Emperor's praise. "Indeed, I have so few gifts, but that is my strength! I need only turn the others strength against them for they do not know anything else!"

The Emperor nodded wisely. "Yes, you have shown that you can defeat any Creature you set your mind to." The Emperor smiled at Scorpion.

"I must thank you, little Scorpion. Now all the creatures know you. None of them trust you. They will blame all their misfortune on you"

Scorpion tilted his head in confusion

The Emperor continued. "Even when their misfortune is my doing."

And Scorpion had nothing more to say.

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>>54190107
Shit, I think I know this dick Emperor

>>54190107
>Implying Bayushi didn't choose to be Hantei's Villain.

In the shadows Bayushi sat perfectly still. In his hands was the letter with hastily scrawled handwriting, begging his audience and discretion. His brother sat before him, his eyes filled with the light of anticipation.

Bayushi looked down at the letter again, reading the words there. Then he looked back at his brother, his lips parting for only a moment.

"What you ask of me," Bayushi said, his voice a whisper in the darkness, "is to sacrifice my name and the names of all those who follow me."

He stood, strode about the room, his head hung with the weight of the decision.

"No other could do what I ask of you, my brother."

Bayushi looked up as his brother spoke. He continued.

"I cannot ask Akodo. He has not the courage. I cannot ask Doji. She is too refined. I cannot ask Hida. He is obsessed with his wall. I cannot ask Shiba. His mind is not on the practical. Shinjo is gone over the mountains, but still, her heart is too tender for such work."

"What about Togashi?" Bayushi asked.

The Emperor hesitated, " No. Because...because I do not trust him."

Bayushi nodded, "Nor do I."

Silence fell between the two brothers and Bayushi knelt down in the shadows again.

"You are the only one Bayushi." The Emperor knelt forward. "The only one I can trust with such work. Such villainous contemptible work."

Bayushi nodded. "I understand." He stood and walked to his brother.

"I accept." He handed the letter back to his brother, but snatched it back just as he reached for it.

"I will be your Villain, Hantei." He paused. "But if you betray me..." He paused again. "We never faced each other at the contest brother..." Bayushi began.

Hantei finished. "And I pray we never will."

>>54190423
That one isn't canon.

>>54190578
>I cannot ask Hida. He is obsessed with his wall.

When was this written, before the Wall became a post First War thing?

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>>54190578
>The Joke's on them, I was only pretending to be EVIL!

>>54190611
1ed Lore has some of the best...and some of the worst.

it's probably Wick's fault

>>54190578
>>Implying Hantei didn't choose to set Bayushi on the path to be Hantei's Villain.

Dude set up an entire tournament perfectly to place himself as the head honcho.

You think he stopped there?

>>54190611
>>54190671
1e sets up little conflicting details in places. Info from back then is unreliable and revisionist.

>>54190793
Most of it is supposed to be in-universe, and in-universe lore is unreliable and revisionist, so it works.

Hell, Hantei XVI was having the history of his reign whitewashed before he even died, and within a decade after it ended, the official histories only had "Hantei XVI ruled for a while." to say about him.

>>54190706
And Bayushi intentionally lost to Shiba. You think he wasn't playing Hantei and much as Hantei was playing him?

>>54190641
It may seem contradictory but the Scorpion are very much concerned with Justice in Rokugan. Most of the laws were codified by a Doji Hatsuo and a Soshi Saibankan. Saibankan went on to be named Fortune of Judges and Magistrates.

There were several cases where the Scorpion did shit just to prove legal points. Most infamously when the Scorpion proved that testimony form the kami is unreliable as they are beholden to the Shugenja that summons them. They "assassinated" a guy and intentionally got caught. When a Shugenja was brought forth to get the testimony of the kami and the kami fingered the Scorpion, the Scorpion produced the "murder" victim alive and well. That utterly changed Rokugan's legal landscape and made Scrying inadmissible in Court.

>>54190957
It wasn't just a kami, it was something that seemed to actually be the guy's ghost, brought forth by a kitsu.

>>54190957
>And Bayushi intentionally lost to Shiba.
According to Bayushi, who is an unrepentant liar. And you take him at his word!?

>>54190979
While it's never actually been brought up in official material, that story could actually go two ways. Maybe it was a confused or lying spirit, not his actual ghost. Or maybe it was really his ghost and the living person they brought out to prove their point was a Shosuro in deep cover. Living as a Lion for a few years and then "dying" would be exactly the sort of mission for a high ranking Shosuro Actor to take on, and discrediting magic investigation techniques makes sneaking around and being a bastard so much easier.

>>54190979
>seemed to actually be the guy's ghost
That's because it WAS. Shosuro actors man. The Scorpion killed a random dude, then had an actor pretend to be him while his spirit is sitting there going, no that's not me! because things like physical evidence and magic make it real hard to be a Clan full of spies and assassins.

>>54191196
Well, the thing is that there were other cases where two different kami said two entirely contradictory things to a bunch of presiding shugenja. The ghost thing was just the final nail in legally admissible magic evidence. Whether it was real or not will never be known and doesn't actually matter.

>>54191196
>a Clan full of spies and assassins.
I hate this meme. Every clan does spying. Every clan has assassins. The Scorpion as a whole likely has the best shinobi, and likely has the largest number of shinobi, sure, but the average Scorpion samurai is a different story. The average Scorpion samurai is more prone to pragmatism compared to his counterparts, and is likely versed in one or two dirty tricks. Not every Scorpion has a secret betrayal mission they're on.

>>54191265
Found the Ki-Rin

>>54191265
Why are soo many Scorpions butthurt when people bring up the fact that the Scorpion's wrote shtick is being the villainous underhand. The call themselves the Clan of Secrets. They wear masks to openly say "do not trust me." They get discounts on purchasing shady advantages like Blackmail. They have schools that are literally named "Shosuro Infiltrator" "Scorpion Sabateurs" "Soshi Deceivers" and "Shosuro Assassins." They KNOW that the other clan think the worst of them and actively use the low expectations as part of their plans for Christ sake!

And yet, everytime these things are brought up, some rando Scorpion fan boy shouts out "Nuh-uh! It's just a meme bro! We're all about teh Justice, really!" Why don't you just own your Clan's shit instead of trying all this "we'z iz good boyz who didn't do nuthin wrong"?

>>54191265
What does a moto assassin look like?

>>54191488

They work for the horseman, the cavalry man.

>>54191482
Don't be obtuse. Obviously the Scorpion are the underhanded clan, if there ever was one, but only the elite among them are actually given tasks that involve truly ninja-tier shit. My point is that the narrow view of the clans, like "omg scorp are all ninja!" or "lion are all crazy bloodthirsty killers!" or "phoenix are evil hubris wizards who maho" is really taking a dump on everything L5R can be in its new iteration.

>>54191544
Why does he wear the stirrups?

>>54191549
Number of Scorpion Schools with the [ninja tag] 5

Number of Ninja Schools in the rest of the Empire combined: 1 and it's the Diadoji Harrier that does not exist in some points in history

Seriously. "Everyone has a secret, and somwhere there's a Scorpion that knows it" is as much a part of the in universe commen sense for L5R as "Watch your back, shoot straight, conserve ammo, and never ever cut a deal with a dragon" is for Shadowrun.

>>54191662
Where are you getting this idea that only ninja know how to collect secrets and/or blackmail?

>>54191662
>Not cutting deals with Lofwyr

Look at the greenhorn, chummer

>>54191549
I do not see Lion players complaining about being labeled as warmongers. I don't see Phoenix players complaining about being labeled arrogant wizards (I should know, I am one). I don't see Unicorn players complaining about being labeled horse-fuckers. I don't see Crane players complaining about being artsy-fartsy pretty boys. I don't see Dragon players complaining about being labeled fence-sitting tattooed monks. I don't see Crab players complaining about being uncultured brutes.

I DO see Scorpion players complaining about being labeled dishonorabru ninjas. Yes, we get it, it isn't the only thing you do. It IS the thing you do that stands out the most. Own it! Wear that shit with pride! Be all "don't you wish you ninja was hot! Like! ME!" instead of "There's more to my clan than just ninja! B-baka!"

Seriously, being able to make fun of your own clan is one of the first things I recommend new L5R players start learning to do.

>>54191778
>being this oldguard

Clan loyalty is dead, old man.

>>54191786

And yet here we stand.

>>54191678
>ending up framed for murdering Lofwy, playing host to his soul, on the run from SK and Lofwyr's little brother until Lofwyr pops out of your head to beat up his little brother all according to kekaku because you just HAD to insist you knew better..

>>54191662
You forgot the Goju Ninja School and the Kolat Assassin School.

Also the Scorpion only have three Ninja Schools. The Actor, the Infiltrator, and the Saboteur. If you are counting paths, I'll have to go check, but I am pretty sure there 2-3 Ronin paths that are Ninja tagged as well.

>>54191786
You assert that, but I am willing to gamble that Clan loyalty will be a core to the player base as ever.

>>54191814
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhy64U8q8MY

>>54191856
You would lose money.

>>54191912
We shall see.

>>54191912
Considering in my old playgroup the Clan trash talking started again the moment the previews began, I'd say he stands a good chance to of winning that bet.

>>54190957
>And Bayushi intentionally lost to Shiba. You think he wasn't playing Hantei and much as Hantei was playing him?
I genuinely don't think they were operating on the same level. Master of deception vs master of overall planning.

>>54191265
>Every clan has assassins.
Most clans do their assassinations up front via duelling, or have the good grace to turn a loyal samurai ronin in order to complete the mission without connections.

>>54191549
>Obviously the Scorpion are the underhanded clan, if there ever was one, but only the elite among them are actually given tasks that involve truly ninja-tier shit
Depends entirely on what you mean by "ninja-tier shit". Scorpion give their first year scrubs black pajama tier missions, or outsource it to shitty ronin groups to draw attention away.

>>54191662
>Number of Ninja Schools in the rest of the Empire combined: 1
Yeah! If you don't count the Tortoise Killers, Ikoma Lion's Shadow, Kolat, Hiruma Stalkers, etc ... wait, that's way more than one.

>>54192425
>Tortoise Killers, Ikoma Lion's Shadow, Kolat, Hiruma Stalkers, etc ...

Tortoise Killers and Ikoma Lion's Shadow are bushi schools. The post specifically referenced the [Ninja] tag. Hiruma Stalkers haven't been reprinted yet and the Kolat and Ronin are not members of the clans, Great or Minor, which is what I'm guessing the count was referencing.

What's the best advanced school?

>>54192678
Which ever one best fits your character concept.

>>54192654
>Tortoise Killers and Ikoma Lion's Shadow are bushi schools
They are bushi tagged schools. Like the Kuni Witch Hunter is a monk tagged school, but (hopefully) no one is stupid enough to consider them part of the Brotherhood or a clan monastic order.

>The post specifically referenced the [Ninja] tag.
Yes, and was conflating meta mechanics with setting info.

>X are not members of the clans, Great or Minor
"Number of Ninja Schools in the rest of the Empire combined"

>>54192772
>Yes, and was conflating meta mechanics with setting info.
The argument was centered around a meta discussion: the reaction of Scorpion players. NOT Scorpion characters. Ergo, using meta mechanics is justifiable.

>"Number of Ninja Schools in the rest of the Empire combined"
Directly following a comparison of schools with the [Ninja] tag. Notice how Deceivers where not included in the count, despite essentially being ninja-shugenja.

Why won't my GM let me play a cute Spider who is pure and loyal?

>>54192943
Because the Spider are cancer and you are a faggot of the highest caliber for liking them.

>>54192943
Are you certain your GM won't let you? Have you asked?

>>54193016
Yes, and they are of the same opinion as >>54192988 in regard to Spider's whole existence. Also Spider can't be pure or loyal because they are Spider.

He also won't let me play an Utaku Battle Maiden (Male).

>>54193051
Hey, Rokugan Your Way and all. Nothing that's says a gm can't make a school with the same abilities as the Utaku Battle Maiden but be open to males. Just like the books themselves point out the possibility of a male version of the Lion's Pride and the Lioness Legion.

It would pobably be a Shinjo school though.

>>54193051
Your GM sounds like my kind of guy.

>>54193051
Yep, definitely cancer. Is your third choice a gaijin, naga, or nezumi?

>>54193162 is right your GM sounds like a stand up fellow. He's more patient than me, I'd have kicked your faggoty ass out of my game.

>>54192702

What's the best advanced school, mechanically speaking?

>>54192922
>Directly following a comparison of schools with the [Ninja] tag. Notice how Deceivers where not included in the count, despite essentially being ninja-shugenja.
Whoops, had a case of clumbsy fingers there. This should be in response this point:

>They are bushi tagged schools. Like the Kuni Witch Hunter is a monk tagged school, but (hopefully) no one is stupid enough to consider them part of the Brotherhood or a clan monastic order.

>>54193202
Don't worry, I'll play a Strong Crab Guy just for you.

>>54193351
There was a faggot recently that was claiming the Hoshi Tsurui Zumi were a Fortunist sect so he could path into some retarded path. They technically are dual Dragon/Brotherhood monks so he's got one side covered, but the Dragon in general are much more on the side of being Shinseists than Fortunists.

>>54193519
I am that faggot, and currently playing that faggot PC in a gay-ass game with an equally flaming GM who doesn't sweat bullets over bundles of sticks, or taking it from behind.

Actually, what I claimed is that the Tsurui Zumi are treated as a Brotherhood school, and Brotherhood schools have a Devotion listed as part of their mechanics, and it would not be unreasonable for a Tsurui Zumi to choose a devotion as part of their spiritual quest for enlightenment.

Thanks for remembering.

>>54192702
If you don't know the system well enough to answer that, just don't answer.

>>54194743
I don't think you're getting where they're coming from. They know nothing about the character, goals, school, etc. to offer worthwhile and meaningful advice for such a generic superlative question.

Also: it's really rare for anyone to even consider advanced schools. They're mostly not great and the XP the character has to have to hit insight 6+ is pretty ridiculous.

>>54194874
The question was obviously about the mechanical aspect.

>>54194924
Obviously, that was the intent. Without narrowing down the concept at all, I'd say Maho-Bujin.

>>54194743
If don't want a snarky non-answer, don't ask shallow, vapid questions.

Does having your obi tied in front or in the back signify anything if you are a woman? I seem to vaguely recall that there is a meaning in each but I cannot remember where I read it.

>>54198615
Tied in front is for whores I think because it's easier to untie.

>>54198635
Irl it was in L5R it seems to be a fashion choice. Or else a bunch of Yasuki women are selling themselves for a few extra koku

>>54199839
What do prostitutes even sell themselves for in L5R? There's no money outside of "buy enough rice for one month," so do they fuck people for bowls of rice?

>>54199887
Peasants use money. Samurai that want to fuck whores use money.

>>54199887
>There's no money outside of "buy enough rice for one month,"
Yeah there is.

>>54199914
It's not even for a month. Imperial statements can't stop inflation

>>54201144
Imperial statements can create gods. Which means inflation > heaven

>>54201186
The invisible hand of the market sweeps away all

>>54193212
Defender of the Wall.

>>54199839
That's just artists who don't get the social nuance, or they do and are implying this girl is a littly bit of a slut. But considering more than half the card art features Asian characters that look nothing like Asians I'm assuming the former.

>>54201562
ISHIGAKI FOR THE WIN

>>54201302
Is the Void Dragon the market?

>>54201695
Considering Japanese artist do not make their asian characters look asia, I think I can overlook it.

>>54191482
The school names aren't always in-universe, for any clan.

>>54199887
Yeah there is. Samurai try (And often fail) to ignore it, but there is a full economy with actual money. Mid to high level trade tends to be obfuscated as "gifts", but even then it's just a polite fiction and everyone knows they're haggling.

>>54201144
>It's not even for a month.
I don't care if a koku is enough rice for a single meal. It's not the only coin or currency.

>>54199887
A koku can be turned in for an amount of rice, in the same way that a dollar used to be able to be turned in for an amount of gold back when we used the gold standard.
It's a rice backed currency, not a ration card.

>>54206560
>pegging currency to food doesn't stop inflation

There's only one thing to do: Kill enough peasants to forcibly deflate the koku

How do I make Sasaki Kojiro in L5R?

>>54207551
>Turning Swallow Cut
>One Strike, Two Cuts
Play a Kakita Bushi.

Does anyone know if the Horiuchi mon is actually described anywhere?

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>>54209564
According to the fan-made Guide to Rokugani Heraldry I've got laying around, the only potential depiction of the Horiuchi mon is on pic related, and it's quite low-res.

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>>54209564
>>54209662
This was the guide's attempt at cleaning up the mon.

>>54209679
>>54209662
Appreciate it.

I haven't been keeping up with this stuff, how far back is the timeline getting rolled compared to where it was by the end of the original game?

>>54210161
The beginning of the new timeline is pre Scorpion Clan Coup. In fact, we're not even certain if the Scorpion Clan Coup will even happen in this timeline. Satsume and Arasou just died, and Hotaru (genderflipped Hoturi) and Toturi just took over their clan champion positions.

So it's further back now than it ever was in the CCG.

>>54191482
>They wear masks to openly say "do not trust me."
But that's wrong, anon. They were masks because of Shinsei's lesson to Bayushi.

>>54210526
>But that's wrong, anon.
He's right, you know.

>>54192425
>I genuinely don't think they were operating on the same level. Master of deception vs master of overall planning.
I think it went more
>Bayushi realizes he doesn't really want to rule/isn't suited to being in charge
>Hantei realizes Bayushi realizes this, and accepts that he was basically given the throne

I think it was more Hantei had the strength of character to not be threatened by Bayushi's choice of not fighting. Most samurai, and even many of the emperors, would view that as an insult, in that particular situation.

>>54210664
I guess it depends how much you want to fellate Bayushi. You're balls to chin, I'm more, "Let that guy handle it."

>>54210705
nah, I just reread Way of the Scorpion, and his motivation according to that is mainly a lack of wanting to actually lead, though he's manipulated to that point by Shinsei.

>express appreciation for l5r's system and concept
>but have reservations about it's terrible setting writing and the hackneyed borderline ignorant way Wick put it all together
>"REEE ANON IT'S ROKUGAN NOT JAPAN WHO CARES IF IT'S NOT HISTORICALLY ACCURATE OR MAKES SENSE IT'S ROKUGAN ROKUGAN IS ROKUGAN IF YOU ACTUALLY LIKED THE GAME YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO CHANGE SO MUCH REEEE"

you know who you are
and I hate you.

>>54210664
>>Bayushi realizes he doesn't really want to rule/isn't suited to being in charge
>>Hantei realizes Bayushi realizes this, and accepts that he was basically given the throne

And possibly irrelevant since it's unlikely Bayushi could have beaten Hantei anyway.

>>54207551
see >>54207788
Kojiro is a crane kakita bushi through and through. Musashi is a Dragon Mirumoto Bushi.

which makes sense because only the Dragon Clan could possibly beat a Kakita in dueling

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night, samurai friends.

>>54210907
>I just reread unreliable propaganda edition, and according to that- *slurp* *slurp* *slurp*
Ok ...

>>54207788
But the nodachi doesn't have Samurai keyword.

>>54213760
There's a bunch of schools that let you Simple action attack with any weapon, but none of them seem very Sasaki Kojiro to me.

>>54213760
Ask your ST/DM to change that.
There, done.

>>54213760
Create a path that either gives it that and replaces Kakita Bushi 1-3, or a rank 4 path that gives SAA with nodachi as well.

>>54171688
>but I felt like the errata just got out of control at times,
This might still be an issue. During the last year we had more errata and revisions on printed cards in Netrunner than any other of the previous years. Like, 2000% more. Stupid stuff like forgetting to add "until the end of the run" on a card can close a game because the Runner can no longer access cards for the rest of the game.
Quality control over at FFG is passing a rough patch, I hope it gets over before L5R is release.