Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/:

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First for new sisters

Lets see the plastic leaks!

>>54166123
codices return
index books invalid soon
i knew it, only bought one index book, hahahahaha to all who sit on their 9 soon dpechated books.

First.
How do I get into 40 k? Do I have to buy a collection from someone who's retiring for it to be financially feasible as I've read ?

>>54166155
I'll believe it when I see it

"haha enjoy waiting 2 year for your arm-

>10 new codexes before Christmas

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/05/your-codex-is-coming-july-5gw-homepage-post-1/

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Did a 1500pt outrider variant

>Celestine & sisters
>10 storm troopers because why not
>4x10 Dominion Melta, Storm Bolter & Flamer spam
>20 Seraphim
>9 Repentia + 1 Priest
>3x Penitents

Penitents & Repentia go down middle as a distraction carnifex. Shoot up & melt anything else with Domminions.

I could drop the Gem Sup's + Storm Troopers for the Avenger, or a Demolisher if I really tried...

Feedback?

>>54166186
Watch them be rushed and terrible.

>>54166183
I would play demo games first of all to see if its your kind of thing

>>54166175
desu why buy books at all

Traitor legions / wrath of magnus books>2months>8th edition index>1-2months> new codex. i bet few months after these codexs another bunch will be released, waste of money

What are the odds of anyone noticing me using a recast Repressor?

I've never bought from chinaman before, but since it's OOP then it's pretty much the only way I can get a decent looking one.

>>54166206
Zero. I play a recast army at Warhammer World.
And know people who also do so.

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>>54166186
Better be some Iron Warriors rules in the CSM

Any news on Forgeworld bringing out 8e Rules for their mechanicus units?

I need my Krios Venators back goddamit.

>>54166200
For all their original claims that they are a model company first, GW sure likes to charge an arm and leg for books with such a short shelf life.

You'd think that a company that makes "the best miniatures in the world" would be cool making all rules free, rather than making rules that alternatively push "big models" or "hordes" as the seasonal p2w, but no....

>>54166221
If only they could make obliterators good again

>>54166183
not really, i recommed picking one faction, start slow and add over time.
otherwise you will sit on a horde of unpainted minis.
if you want to have a cheap start, its a good idea to look for the armies from the starter kit as a base on ebay or in your local store.

dont buy the GW tools, you get what you need (sharp knife clipper) cheaper at a DIY, the measurement tape can be tricky as you will need one that has inches. (andthe GW one is not that expensive)
watch videos on how to prepare assemble and paint on youtube.

buying 2nd hand can be cheaper, however much of what you buy requires serious rework to not look shit. Beware of expensive shit on ebay, recently i have seen loads of stuff that is cheaper from GW, especially their webstore-only things.

>>54166186
I want more than 3 psychic powers

>>54166190
If I can get some repressor models I'm planning on running 3, each with 2 dominion squads with 2 meltas, 2 stormbolters, and a combi-melta.

You can either shoot 6 melta guns from it, or 4 storms and 2 regular bolters.

>>54166246
guess most of their income is from books becasue morons keep buying them as soon as they are release, wouldn't be surprised if they started to release less miniatures and more books

what is it atm 6-7 books and just dark imperium for miniatures? jesus

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>make tau list
>realize how little anti tank I actually have

>>54166283
6 Tau Commander Quad Fusion = 960 points

You can work with 1040points for antihordes

>>54166175
>soon
Depends on your force. Also if you're implying FW is going to replace their index books any time soon I'll have a good laugh. Those guys are glacially slow.

>>54166246
well the free to download core rules say you get rules free with the box.

they probably dont know what they want.

AoS did it right, core rules free, very cheap book with points for all, for those that care there are additional things.

>I just bought Index: Imperium 1 – what should I do with it?
>You’ll want to keep hold of your index. Codex: Space Marines doesn’t include rules for playing with Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Space Wolves, Deathwatch or Grey Knights armies, so you’ll still need Index: Imperium 1 to play with those. You’ll also need it for using some of the more unusual models such as the 30th Anniversary Space Marine, the Legion of the Damned and the Terminus Ultra Land Raider.

>>54166196
Well the unit rules themselves probably won't be all that different from the index datasheets. So it's mainly just about the additional faction special rules.

>Codex overrides index
This is why I don't buy your books, GW.

>>54166183
>get $200
>pick army you want
>decide color scheme
>buy painting and modeling supplies and equipment
>buy start collecting box
>build and paint start collecting box
>add over time

Are Army Painter paints as good as GW paints? GW paints are so much more expensive it's mad

I really hope that TSons get some goodies in CSM codex.

>>54166338
>$200

Nice budget for a kill team

>>54166206
I play with my recast chaos knight all the time nobody says anything but "fuck that thing is cool" or "wtf i'm not playing against someone using knights"

>>54166328
>Codex overrides index
Although I understand the complaints of people on a tight budget I'm incredibly thankful we don't have to deal with people mix and matching long term. Is also means they can fix broken stuff via codexes without an index version hanging around forever.

This confirmation of codexes lines up with the warehouse leak showing sister's in September

>>54166343
Gw paint are actually on the shittiest side.

I dont know a single commission painter or golden demon model painted with something else that Vallejo Air (yes you can use them with a normal brush)

>>54166361
It's just another cash grab.

>>54166328
>implying you haven't wasted $20 on GW models before as well
GTFO its an expensive hobby deal with it

>>54166328
I do like it for some things, but I hope they don't ruin some of my favorite things.

>>54166356
It'll buy you a start collecting box, paint and glue and tools.

>>54166343
Everybody has his own opinion which paints are better. Since as long as all are acrylic paints, you can freely use various brands, buy one color and see if you like it.
I have heard people say they prefer metallics from this and shades/washes from that manfacturer.
If they are not acrylic, stay away.

>>54166370
It would be... but literraly no one buys indexes ? I mean I dont know a single person that buy them given they are leaked here pretty much instantly every single time.

>>54166343
Base colors are basically the same. They are closer to base paints than layer paints in opacity though. The washes are more like old inks than Citadel washes though. So they work a little differently.

As long as you're using gaming grade acrylic paints you're fine. You just need to avoid craft paints.

>>54166367
>Citadel paint
>shit

Lmao'ing at your life dude. Although Citadel doesn't have the greatest range, it's fantastic for its consistency every time. Pigments are always the same color with each pot, and I don't have to worry about yellows or whites being slightly different each time I paint with them

>>54166377
It actually isn't compared to other normie hobbies.

Non-codex armies get fucked edition

>>54166367
The best painters tend to use paints from lots of different manufacturers.

>>54166213
Cool, I've seen photos of one of Z's repressors and it looked alright, no worse than some forgeworld casts I've seen before.

>>54166397
post the best thing you ever painted.
Im actually assuming you are a shit painter right now, or someone that didnt actually ever used real paints.

>>54166206
I've play with recasted metal models. Idiots at WW grab it and thought it was failcast

It was a SoB model. GW has no idea what their own products are made off

>>54166102
Where did you get data with the flyers? I see them in Elysians but not under normal AM?

>>54166221
Given how the system works, wouldn't be too hard for them to give you back your Basilisks too.

If they do, I might just because I want to use the sexy as fuck Legion Basilisk models FW has.

>>54166186
>Is my index invalid now?
Not at all. Even with the pace we’re planning on releases these new codexes, it’s going to take well over a year to get to all of them. No single codex will cover all the contents of an index book, so you’ll get plenty of use out of all your indexes, don’t worry.

60Pl 1150ish Astra Militarum
BRIGADE DETATCHMENT 14CP
HQ
Company Commander - Plasma
Pistol /Power Fist
Tempestor Prime - Command Rod / Power Sword
CREED

TROOP
Infantry Squad X2 - Autocannon/Grenade Launcher
Infantry Squad X2 - Missile Launcher /Grenade Launcher
Tempestus Scions - Melta X2/Vox
Tempestus Scions - Volley gun X2/ Vox

ELITES
Ogryn X3
Tempestus Command - Plasma x3/Med Kit
Master of Ordinance

FAST ATTACK
Scout Sentinel X3 - Heavy Flamer, Chainsaw, Hunter Killer

HEAVY SUPPORT
Basilisk - Hunter Killer/ Heavy Flamer/ Storm Bolter
Manticore - Hunter Killer/ Heavy Flamer/ Storm Bolter
Wyvern- Hunter Killer/ Heavy Flamer/ Storm Bolter

Besides the PL memes how's this look vs Nids and Death Guard in a 1v1v1 tonight after work? I plan to sit back in the corner and be a piece of shit with my 14CP till I can cap with the Scions.
Sorry for the format Im phone posting on the shitter atm.

>>54166370
Overriding is a cash grab? Or releasing them was a cash grab?

What I'm saying is letting Indexes remain legal would be incredibly shitty. And I bought all five.

>>54166302
I should just heed common wisdom and just use flame crisis suits.

++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (T'au Empire) [58 PL, 1090pts] ++

+ HQ [12 PL, 288pts] +

Cadre Fireblade [3 PL, 62pts]: Markerlight [3pts], 2x MV7 Marker Drone [20pts]

Commander [6 PL, 160pts]: 4x Fusion blaster [84pts]

Ethereal [3 PL, 66pts]: Equalizers [1pts], 2x MV7 Marker Drone [20pts]

+ Troops [12 PL, 168pts] +

Strike Team [4 PL, 56pts]: 5x Fire Warrior w/ Pulse Rifle [40pts], 2x MV1 Gun Drone [16pts]

Strike Team [4 PL, 56pts]: 5x Fire Warrior w/ Pulse Rifle [40pts], 2x MV1 Gun Drone [16pts]

Strike Team [4 PL, 56pts]: 5x Fire Warrior w/ Pulse Rifle [40pts], 2x MV1 Gun Drone [16pts]

+ Elites [34 PL, 634pts] +

DX-4 Technical Drones [2 PL, 32pts]: 2x

XV104 Riptide Battlesuit [17 PL, 299pts]: 2x Plasma rifle [22pts], Drone controller [5pts], Early warning override [8pts], Heavy burst cannon [55pts]

XV9 Hazard Support Team [15 PL, 303pts]
. XV9 Hazard Battlesuit [5 PL, 101pts]: Advanced targeting system [8pts], 2x Double-barelled burst cannon [32pts]
. XV9 Hazard Battlesuit [5 PL, 101pts]: Advanced targeting system [8pts], 2x Double-barelled burst cannon [32pts]
. XV9 Hazard Battlesuit [5 PL, 101pts]: Advanced targeting system [8pts], 2x Double-barelled burst cannon [32pts]

++ Supreme Command Detachment +1CP (T'au Empire) [36 PL, 910pts] ++

+ HQ [30 PL, 800pts] +

Commander [6 PL, 160pts]: 4x Fusion blaster [84pts]

Commander [6 PL, 160pts]: 4x Fusion blaster [84pts]

Commander [6 PL, 160pts]: 4x Fusion blaster [84pts]

Commander [6 PL, 160pts]: 4x Fusion blaster [84pts]

Commander [6 PL, 160pts]: 4x Fusion blaster [84pts]

+ Elites [6 PL, 110pts] +

XV25 Stealth Battlesuits [6 PL, 110pts]: Homing beacon [20pts]
. 3x Stealth Shas'ui w/o support system

++ Total: [94 PL, 2000pts] ++

>>54166361
They let people do this in AoS and probably figured out it was dumb as shit.

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>mfw iron hands don't get any special rules in the codex

>>54166410
Z Repressor is actually better than the FW one.
He has the fucked up cast version from FW so you need a lot of cleaning

>>54166343
Army painter is MUCH better than GW.
GW 's paint only redeeming feature os that you get the same exact color as Lord Duncan.
The biggest FLGS in Paris sell 20 non-GW paints for each GW paint they sell, and its not for the couple of bucks you save..

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>>54166221
Seems like there will be.

>>54166420
Those legion Basilisks are beautiful, it pains me that IG Basilisks don't have missle racks on the back so it just seems retarded

>>54166361
I second this, our local waac fags would have brought units from 4 different editions if the new codex didn't override the old. Should be the same with 8th.

>>54166420
IW already got them back. R+H Basilisk have the CHAOS keyword.

Xenos Grand Alliance coming, thanks GW.

>>54166343

Army Painter Matt Black is probably the best in the business, and I've tried almost all of them.

>>54166423
So what we'll see here is also likely new units for every book they put out. We already know Primaris are going to be the big new stuff for SM, but I wonder what Grey Knights may get to justify giving them their own book?

I'm also noticing, at least initially, a pattern. SM then really specialized SM chapter, then CSM, then specialized legion. Wonder if this will be how they do things going forward.

>Not just correcting the index books with a pen or post it notes based upon the codexes that will inevitably wind up in the OP post
I'll just copy my faction specific rules and wargear onto a single page and keep it with the index. Bam. Problem solved and it'll have more content if I want to mix parts of my armies (CSM and Daemons in the same index for example)

>>54166354
Tsons should get their own codex anon.

>>54166424
Get a priest and a valk for those ogryins

>>54166367
The only Citadel paints I've disliked are their metallics. That said, their newer white topped metallics are much, much better than their old ones.

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>Codices override Indices
>More psychic powers added for armies
>Models are also able to be changed entirely
I really hope that they fucking make the Maleceptor and Mawloc viable and the Tyrannofex not a worse Exocrine. I'd even settle for just getting the Devourers fixed.

>>54166455
Not quite the same, given that is shooting at BS4 instead of BS3.

But yeah, you can technically do it.

>>54166446
Missile racks?

>For you gamers out there, one very exciting addition are new rules representing specific sub-groups in many of the major factions; these range from old classics like the Space Marine Chapters or Chaos Space Marine Legions to returning rules for individual craftworlds, as well as previously unexplored groupings like Necron dynasties and Adeptus Mechanicus forge worlds. These will be included in each codex

GW YES

WILL WE SEE PRMARIS Centurion big marines in bigger armour

>>54166428
Not him. looks like a good list but I dont understand what are the 15 Warriors for. at this point just take more suits instead, of pathfinder for the sweet markerlight.

>>54166343
anon, army painter is much better. Especially the Black and Whites.

>>54166487
Devourers fixed how?

And I think you could do that with Tyrannofex by points adjustment, honestly. Like, it's got potential, a few tweaks could make it a legitimate contender.

Same with the rest, really.

>>54166491
Just the actual missles themselves. The IG basilisks has nothing to show getting loaded into it so it looks dumb, where the Legion Basilisks have missles along the sides of the back loading area as well as marines holding missles to load into it

>>54166471
Yeah, but I doubt they will. Two chaos books coming out, I'm betting they'll not get their own this time. After all, you can basically fit most of the 'new' TSons stuff into a subfaction section.

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Is this a new guy on the CSM cover or have we seen it before?

>>54166343
Army painter is life.
Just try it..

>>54166525
Oh. The SHELLS.

Yeah.

Theoretically you could just use Legion Basilisks for your IG army and say they're old relics. I'm tempted to do that. Hell, I'm using modified Rhino/Razorbacks as 'Taurox' on that premise.

>>54166505
Primaris Agressors would be the closest thing.

>>54166530
That shit looks like corrupted Gravis Armour. Has the belly and everything.

>>54166530
Seems like a generic CSM honestly.

>>54166496
I just want to know if the models from 1997 will get an update this edition.

>I just bought Index: Imperium 1 – what should I do with it?
>You’ll want to keep hold of your index. Codex: Space Marines doesn’t include rules for playing with Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Space Wolves, Deathwatch or Grey Knights armies, so you’ll still need Index: Imperium 1 to play with those. You’ll also need it for using some of the more unusual models such as the 30th Anniversary Space Marine, the Legion of the Damned and the Terminus Ultra Land Raider.

Huh. Guess that means those will be getting their own books, given GK are.

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>>54166507
The Devourers were twin-linked and got nothing to show for it in the transition to 8th. It was a hard kick in the balls for anyone that bought the FW arms. And yeah, if they just lowered the points across the board for things more it'd be a possibility

>>54166530
He's a Blood Gorgon. Old art.

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>>54166343
>Using GW paint after 12
>Ever

>If I have a Blood Angels, Dark Angels or Space Wolves army, will I need to buy Codex: Space Marines to use my army?
>You don’t have to. Other Space Marines factions not covered in the new codex will continue to use all the datasheets, rules and points values in the index until their own codex is released. Rules for new models not covered in the index (like the upcoming Redemptor Dreadnought) will be available in the box with the model and matched play points for these units will be made available online.

Huh, wonder if this means only new units going forward will be online or eventually all units will, ala AoS?

I have a hundred man Minotaurs force I haven't finished yet but is in various stages of painted/built, should I just sell that shit because biglies?

Is there anywhere that the chapter specific boxnaughts can be found apart from just trolling ebay on the very off chance one comes up?

>>54166587
>Manlets are squatted

>>54166411
Are you daft, I literally said Citadel is good because of its consistency despite its limited range. There isn't anything false about that whatsoever

>>54166599
Well, they outright say the older stuff is getting codices so no.

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>>54166559
>Guess that means those will be getting their own books
The thought of the Terminus Ultra Land Raider getting its own book is funny. It'd be like a hardback pamphlet.

>>54166559
>>54166587
>Huh
>Huh
Quakeguy pls go.

>>54166506
They are there for 3 things.
Be a meatshield, provide 6 drone wounds, and help get me the 3 troops I need for a battalion. It's just that for antihorde the list uses 3 xv9s so antipersonel weaponry isn't lacking.
I might just be better off getting rid of the xv9s to add more fire warriors and make it into a proper bunker (everything hangs out around the riptide for protection against deepstrike and to boost the marker drones) and some more suits.

>>54166587
Only the points will be online. The rules themselves are in the box.

>>54166596
China

>>54166551
Why would they, faggots buy those warp spiders on a daily basis

Meta hasn't even settled and they're already ruining it with codex power creep?

>>54166496
We are certainly not seeing Biel-tan again.

>>54166610
Well, I meant the chapters, but yeah. Was that thing ever even sold or was it just a conversion they had datasheets for?

>>54166307
This is why I bought a FW Index and nothing else.

>>54166632
Now you're just inventing things to complain about.

>>54166611
Huh?

>>54166632
The meta is using lots of Stormraven, and countering them with lots of Triflamer suits

>>54166643
I expect to see Stormravens get hit with a nerf in the Codex for just this reason.

>>54166622
You need to learn the joys of p3, army painter, and vallejo.

>>54166638
You know it's going to happen, fucktard.

>>54166643
Only in the internet.

>>54166649
Maybe. Although they may wait till the Chapter Approved book at the end of the year.

>>54166642
Huh!

>>54166428
It basically look like what i field but I wonder why you want to field A fireblade and 15 Warriors ? put those 250 points in something else.
The list is so strong it doesnt care about 1-2 command points

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>>54166665
Like throwing pearls to swine.

>>54166649
>Stormraven are now dedicated transports

>>54166664
They're release everything within a year and most of it in the next six months. That's not a lot of time for "codex creep" to fucking matter even if it were true.

>>54166697
>Still hasn't posted any miniature because like all GW paint user, he is actually a shit painter

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>>54166697
>vallejo, army painter, and p3
>walmart

>>54166473
Considered but it's a hard 60PL limit. I WAS worried about their mobility so maybe I should run 10Ratlings instead?

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>have an 8th edition 1000 point tournament coming up at local FLGS, most players there are usually pretty casual
>just dumped everything into 2 squads of rubric marines in rhinos all with warp flamers + 1 sorcerer hq tax

On a scale of 1 to yes how fucked am I but how amusing will it be?

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>>54166683
I-is she single? Just.... asking for a friend. An Aeldari friend I mean. Yes...Aeldari....

>>54166705
And yearly rebalancing, don't forget that.

>>54166671
Huh...

>>54166693

Yeah, having to take 5 scouts for each is TOTALLY going to ruin the list.

>>54166666
Nice pents, you Slaaneshi fuck, but I don't know. I doubt it'll take that long.

>>54166186
So Tau Commander nerfs incoming huh? Ah well, it was fun while it lasted

>>54166747
It's funny, I read that as being a buff, not a nerf.

>>54166666
What's chapter approved for if codex are coming?

>>54166428
You should either loose some suit and bolster those FireWarrior squads if squat them entierly.
3x5 is going to be too weak in 2k, and it can even backfire if something fats charges you, kill you easily + consolidate into something more expensive

>>54166507
Twin linked devourers with brain leech worms got nerfed. Specifically they should fire 24 shots based on their 7e profiles, but instead fire 12. Some people think this is an error but more likely is its intentional because they could glance vehicles to death in 7th.

The problem is they're outclassed in every way by Deathspitters with slimer maggots, which are exactly the same except better and evey model that has access to either has access to both. There's no reason to ever use them.

I I don't think very much thought gets put into tyranid weapons.

>>54166527
Unless theyve got new stuff now. They confirmed death guard and "basically" confirmed Emperor's Children in the comments on their Facebook page. But I guess we will see. Would be nice for the featured 4 to get their own spotlights.

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>>54166666
Fucking heretic.

>>54166755
Probably newer stuff they didn't include in books?

Or more esoteric options. I mean, looking back at old Chapter Approved, that's where you got weird stuff like Cursed Foundings and funky IG doctrines. I doubt we'll see a version of vehicle designer again but the other stuff should be possible.

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>>54166728
Oh no, it's retarded.

>>54166725
Don't you dare bring old canon back.

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>>54166252
>Beware of expensive shit on ebay, recently i have seen loads of stuff that is cheaper from GW, especially their webstore-only things.

So much this, I've seen a lot of Sisters of battle stuff selling recently at up to 5 times the RRP, because the seller has incorrectly labelled them as out of production.

>>54166764
So ? FW just want to discontinu the model, and everybody was proxying them anyway so no sale for anyone.

literraly a non issue

10 codexes in 2017

1. spess meens
2. chaos spess meens
3. ward knights
4. deff gurd

Predict what the other 6 will be

5. Craftworld Eldar
6. Orks
7. Tyranids
8. Guard
9. Tau
10. Necron

>>54166613
fair enough. Report back how they fare tho

>>54166790
At least I have a mommy.

>>54166767
Hmm, well they do have the unique models, but not sure its enough to justify its own book unless they add more? Like, Scarab Occult terms and Tzaangors are the only units, and characterwise you've got Magnus and Ahriman. That's less than the Ultramarines, who are just part of the SM book, so I doubt it?

They'd have to make new models, and if they are already giving Death Guard and, yeah, Emperor's Children stuff, I don't really see it happening.

I mean, I hope not, cus TSons are my favorite of the aligned legions, but still.

>>54166223
Imperial Armor 14, whenever that eventually gets released.

>>54166487
mawlocs are guud tho

>>54166781
They just restocked those and sold out. I have my order of 9 pending. Expect tons of over priced resales a "nib oop" shut because GW does restock them...they just sell out fast.

>new codexes
>Hardbacks
>$$$$$$$$

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Coul this be Visarch's chance to do something useful for one fucking time?

Story probably end up doing fucking nothing worthwhile since it's just a BL book. Maybe they did fully awake Ynnead with 5 swords but it end up being weak af and get the shit beat out by Slaanesh

>>54166764
Wondering if maybe like adding some form of rending or rerolling wounds onto devourers, or some LD hit or something to play up the 'brainleach' part of it might fit. Would fit the fluff, at least, and make things an option.

>>54166755
Yearly point rebalancing. But on top of that new general game rules like new missions and narrative play scenarios. Expanded advanced rules like city-fighting. A place to put rules for new scenery. Probably campaign rules too. Basically anything new that doesn't fit in codexes.

>>54166795
>No Daemons or Slaanesh
>No Adepta Sororitas

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>We know that everyone wants new miniatures. We're going to try to get around to everyone. So just be patient and you'll see new chaos space marines... Riiight after we put a space marine inside of a space marine inside of a space marine

>>54166832
He is protector, mentor and adoptive father of Yvraine.

>>54166832
>they fail
>eldar as a faction are squatted
>the khan genocides the dark eldar so they are squatted too

>>54166850
I honestly am more expecting that for GK than CSM.

If Emperors clones all had daddy issues why don't we see only Nurgle Primarchs?

Wonder if any other factions except Death Guard will get new models for Chaos. I started with them with Dark Imperium but a Chaos Undivided army with new models could temp me.

>>54166863
Because sometimes daddy issues make you into an angry asshole, so you end up with Khorne.

Sometimes they make you a paranoid asshole, so you end up with Tzeentch.

Sometimes they make you a gay asshole, so you end up with Slaanesh.

And sometimes they just make you an asshole who hates all dads, so you end up unaligned.

>>54166866
Like you know what a family is.

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Anyone play GK in 8th yet? It was always an army I wanted to start but I was a fug and heard they were OP before so never bothered.

I know the codex is on the way and it might change things, but is a mostly GK terminator list viable?

>>54166891
>Being this Eternally BTFO

>>54166874
God damn I hope they reveal them soon if they are going to updated regular CSM because I'm fixin to bite the bullet and start a heavy conversion job on some CSM

>>54166391
I buy mine just because I like to have a physical book with tabs.

>>54166828
AOS battletomes are hardcovers and arent that expensive

Theyre cheaper than the 40k 7th paperback codexes

>>54166857
He's lost on the Path of Just a Friend.

>>54166901
>>54166905
>suckling the dick this hard
Dark angels player right?

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>>54166710
Not him. But I'm mostly happy with GW paints and feel I paint pretty well for a tabletop standard.

>>54166826
SoB restock is such a mystery for me.
Either GW is pulling a Nintendo with a massive old stock or they are actually making metal models just for SoB

>>54166366
Its not gonna happen but i want to believe

>>54166898
Yes, actually. Though you'll have issues with model count, you can actually do some nasty stuff with smite spam cus all your units are psykers, even with the nerfed smite they get. Very few other lists have sources of easy mortal wounds to the same amount.

>>54166842
i assume daemons will be in the chaos book or with their respective chaos marine faction (ie: nurgle daemons with the death guard)

>>54166934
Unironically phin your taints.

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>>54166898
I saw a guy play them and he said that he's getting used to them not being so overpowered now. So that's a good sign. Although everybody who plays Grey Knights seems to play them for the baby carrier. No matter what, every GK player has a baby carrier, and that is exactly why I never played Grey Knights.

>>54166947
It's probably the latter. "Heretic Astartes" probably won't have any daemons save the Daemon Prince

>>54166817

Meh, not really

They pop up, deal a couple mortal wounds and then pray not to be blasted into pieces.

>>54166465
>I wonder what Grey Knights may get to justify giving them their own book?

Probably an unholy abomination that is the fusion of the Index + 7e codex.

Hoping GKs as a whole get the ORDO MALLEUS keyword or a way to get it.

>>54166947
This is my thought as well; making it such that Daemons will often accompany CSM, and grouping their rules together. Not sure what a Death Guard codex is going to be full of if they don't include Nurgle Daemons. Doesn't DG only have like 5 units or something?

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>>54166953
I don't get how someone can defend gw paints this much. They're horrible outside of a few washes.
This for example is a thick grainy sludge that barely covers anything and on more than one occasion some paints are so thick they don't even move if you open the lid and hang them upside down or are so watery they flow with abandon.

>>54166898
Here's a battle report with an all termie GK force. Basically your dudes will be very scary but you'll be incredibly outnumbered and vulnerable to bad dice rolls as a result.

youtube.com/watch?v=uIOc_HulB8g

>>54166886
A+ post.

>>54166898
GK were actually pretty tame in 7th. Their biggest problem was janky internal balance, with Strike Squads/Purgation Squads just not worth it, compared to Terminators/Baby Carriers. Paladins were ok but overcosted, and Purifiers were ok as a fighter/warp charge battery, but their partybus gimmick was killed in a FAQ.

Sadly, the main reason people ended up taking Grey Knights was so they could ally in Draigo to a unit of Grav Centurions to get a guaranteed Gate of Infinity. However, the increased popularity of the Culexus, as well as "ITC Invisibility" both rapidly rendered the Centstar obsolete. (Amusingly enough, Tyranids also didn't give much of a fuck either, assuming they had Mawlocs)

>>54166424
Just found out dude is bringing Nidzilla for this. What's a good way to deal with a few Carnifex plus Flyrant and Trigon with this? Just focus fire each Monster in order of distance with the Arty?

>>54166974
That would really cuck daemons players if their faction is spread over 4 books.

>>54166428
How are the Hazard suits playing now?

>>54166959
They are friend. Any texture you're seeing is from them being old metal models and having a bit of pitting here and there in the metal itself.

>>54166989
Yes, p3 is consistent and easy to spread and the dropplet paints make it easy to control just how much you're getting on your palette.

>>54166980
Nigger you keep ignoring the main argument that people bring up which is Fucking consistency. People like Citadel because you are guaranteed the same fucking color every time. The range is limited and there are some of their stuff is bad but people all agree the consistency is bar none the best

>>54166931
You don't call girlfriend "girl", he is her dad.

>>54166934
Heavy Bolter Retribution.
Memes are real eh?

>>54166965
105 points for a great distraction unit.

>>54166936
I'm gonna call them shortly and find out if my order is still pending this afternoon. I'll ask wtf are they doing as they charged me. I'm secretly terrified they over sold for stock they don't have.

>>54167004
They look like they were dipped in various hues of latex. Are the models really that shit?

>>54167008
My experiences are very different from yours anon, they concostently have been awful.

>>54166992

Lascannon HWTs

Lascannon HWTs everywhere

As for tactics, focus the flyrant cause it's high mobility, bubble-wrap your heavy weapons in cheap infantry to prevent trygon+fexes doing damage.

>>54166959
That's old metal model texture and low grade sculpts

>>54166997
This is true. Maybe universal CSM and Daemons books, and then god-specific books? Not sure how they would fill those 6 books, though.

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How awful would it look to do an army of primaris ultramarines in this style

>>54167021
And you go back to sniffing markers.

>>54166980
That's sounds like bad batches, which does suck, but is not really the same thing as the performance of the paint itself.

>>54167008
Were not fighting Hitler anymorw grandpa.
Machines regulated the color at the scale of 1/320000000
Every single decent paint manufacturer as the same color consistency.

>>54167045
Do it.

>>54167052
I must just be unlucky then because it happens half the time I buy gw paint.

>>54167045
Nostalgia / 10

>>54167045
Is that 1990s GW style...?

>>54166943
I normally play heavy numbers, so I wanted something that plays quite differently. Sounds ideal.
>>54166960
Have you seen one converted to not look terrible? Just curious. I see your point.
>>54166982
Yeah like above, I'm hoping for a different play experience. Thanks for the link tho! I didn't know WintersSEO had a GK batrep up.
>>54166985
Yeah all that is white noise to me lol
I feel kinda happy I would be starting fresh with no taint (for better or worse) of 7th on my heels.

>>54167045
look how tiny guillimanns hand is on the sword pahahahaa

>>54167032
Considering I just learned NURGLE guy is doubling down on Drones and a Plague Hulk, this is probably my best bet. Even with 4T I doubt his Plague Walkers will be enough of a threat to warrant a H Bolter.

>>54166123
Sternguard or Deathwatch veterans? Which is more effective for the cost, Sternies with special weapons or Deathwatch with combis?

>>54166992
monsters are shitty this edition, especially for nids. you will just have superior firepower and board control. always kill synapse first and wrap up his carnifex before they can get to anything with armor

>>54166547
You're an idiot.

I want to do Genestealer Cults.
Are Leman Russes with triple Heavy Bolters and a Battle Cannon viable?

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Reposting my list from last thread. How is it

>New Codexes announced
>First 4 are ALL space marines

Do'n get me wrong, I've learned to expect twice as many power armour releases than anything else, but this is taking things a bit far isn't it?

>>54167099
>a Battle Cannon
no

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>For you gamers out there, one very exciting addition are new rules representing specific sub-groups in many of the major factions; these range from old classics like the Space Marine Chapters or Chaos Space Marine Legions to returning rules for individual craftworlds, as well as previously unexplored groupings like Necron dynasties and Adeptus Mechanicus forge worlds. These will be included in each codex

wtf I love new-GW now

>>54167093
>monsters are shitty this edition

So sad, so true

They doubled wounds and tripled the damage of anti-tank weapons, which basically cuts their survivability by 30%

>>54167005
sorry anon, i'm too deep in the citadel paint cult, 98 pots in and i'm to scarred to commit to another (better) brand

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>>54167020
You mean the shine? That just because they were lit from the front by a very bright lamp when I took the picture. Very, very few black acrylics are truly matte.

In fact, if you want really, really matte blacks you should get some black 2.0. it doesn't wear very well and so requires a clear top coat, but it works nice for gunbarrels and other places where you want a deep matte black.

>>54167122
Such is the NPC life...

Is space marines a good army to start if you don't want monster size models and don't want to paint loads?

>>54167122
I was happy to see Index 1 with all marines inside one big book at it should be.

Now we are back to marines to infinity, now with added spikes variety!

>>54167131
What memery is this?
Battle Cannons are great you sperg

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>>54167162
>kills one guardsman a turn
>great

>>54167099
You're better off going BC, Las, 2x HB. But yes, that's the best main gun for GSC russes and is an ok pick.

>>54167149
>NPC
>Factions that have proper transports
Pick one. If your army does not have access to transport that allow shooting from inside they are NPC.

It is basic knowledge.

>>54167134
Man...I miss Pete Haines. What I wouldn't give for another "build your chapter" system. Hopefully one that wasn't internally unbalanced.

Pete may have gone overboard, but I always got the feeling he was more an enthusiastic hobbyist rather than a corporate shill.

>>54167180
>non npc
>deldar

Pick one and only one sweetie

>>54167162
you are wrong

>>54167176
Why the fuck are you still shooting a battle cannon at guardsmen?

>>54167186
I loved that in the 5th (?) edition codex where you could pick individual strengths and weaknesses of your chapter traits

>>54167059
Except they don't?

>>54167176
1.17 guardsmen. But why are you shooting it at guardsmen?

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>>54166186
>>54166444

...I don't see any Army Lists or new units or anything. So we're really going to need the Indexes for stats, specs and points costs from now on?

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>>54167180

Did I hear someone saying StormLord with 18 HWTs?

>>54167224
>dark eldar
>points don't matter?

>>54167073
It's funny, cus I've heard babycarriers are actually shit this edition but I dunno.

>>54167204
He's right though. It's the best Russ gun with more than 24" range and a pretty solid all around choice.

>>54167213
It was the 4e one. By Pete Haines and Graham McNeill. Of course, this was the one where you could choose one or two advantageous traits, in exchange for taking completely unrelated drawbacks. "Oh no, I cannot take Drop Pods? However will my Tank Hunter Devestators throw Krak Missiles downfield?" "Oh no, I can only take one Land Speeder? How will my Drop Pod army ever cope?", etc.

The Guard codex of that time had similar issues: "Oh no, I cannot take Ratlings? However will I live with my entire army gaining free Deep Strike?"

I still prefer this system far more than "uh...they Count as White Scars?"

>>54167204
Stop shooting it at Guardsmen you idiot

>>54167117
How did you get aircraft? I see them under Elysians but not normal AM? Or for that matter, the saber platforms?

Hell, what data are you using in general?

All in all, though, seems good. The spotlights are something I want to try out too.

>>54167232
*Manta Strike behind u*
nothing personel, Guela
*Fires the Quad Fusion*

>>54167246
Their new fancy name is Drukhari.
Drukhari = Drew Carey.

>>54167222
because thats what all the local waacfags at my store field.

im already missing 7th ed when i was the only one playing IG

what should i target with them then?

>>54166487
>>54166565
>>54166764
How did they get 24 shots?
According to my old Nid codex, Devourers w brainleech were Assault 6.

CArnifexes/Tyrants could replace a pair of scytals with TL-devourers. So 2x TL devourers. That's just Assault 6+6 twin-linked, which as fasr as I remember, was just re-rolling misses.

Right now they're assault 3, but you get four of them max so Assault 3+3+3+3. Just no twin-linked.

IMHO they should just do the old re-roll to-wound to keep them different from Deathspitters.

>>54167232
See not an NPC faction.

Another way to tell if your faction is NPC is to see the numbers of releases they have.
If they have a lot, it means GW needs to try extra hard in order to sell them. Non NPC do not need so many updates because they are already good

>>54167224
No. The codexes will have the datasheets and points.

>>54167302
>Quad Fusion
>Outside half range
>You scratch the paint, it pastes you the next turn.

Good job.

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>>54167314
>npcs actually think this

>>54166755
I'm guessing new units (with warscrolls/datafaxes).

The codices didn't sound like they'd have too many new units.

>>54167302

>Damn, we just repainted that armorplate

*Suit is blown apart by lascannon fire*

>>54167312
Right, Devour with Leech is Assault 6. Two-twinlinked is thus Assault 12, Twin-Linked. In 8th, that should just be four Devourers, so Assault 24.

>>54167331
That gif must be in the top 10 of best gif ever.

>>54167330
>>54167339
You dorkazoids act like it will be only one commander.

>>54167135
dont forget point increases

>>54167312

Twin linked for all other weapons was translated into 2x shots, so Ass12

2 of them => Ass24

>>54167308
Bigger stuff. Vehicles, big models, stuff with lots of wounds that you need to blast.

You take Punishers with HB for hordes. Your best bet is to get, like, a magnetized turret and swap out the gun as needed.

>>54167089
Deathwatch pay for special bolter ammo in the model's base cost.

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>>54167308
Vehicles or Monstrous Creatures mostly. Leave guardsmen to your HB sponsons and other similar weapons.

How friendly is this general.

>>54167358

You taufags act like my conscript will let you deepstrike in melta range from the tank

>Heretic Astartes codex comes out
>Emperor's Children codex may come out within 6-12 months and invalidate all the relevant details

Fug.

>>54167204
>>54167176
Ah yes, the same mathhammer that didn't pick up that a tourny winning list would consist of a SM flyer wing with support, then afterwards, people started braying about how good SM are.

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>>54167382
>he doesnt know what an average tau list look like.

I hope you field 600 conscript, because 200 aint gonna save you.

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>>54167312
A pair is 6. Two were 12. The twin-linked weapons were given a flat out double to their shots. So, a pair should get 12, and two should get 24. The problem is that none of them got doubled shots.

>>54167177
Thanks. Yeah lascannon sounds good, could need some more anti tank i guess

>>54167394

Tbh i was running DE air-wing only from before that tournament

>>54167358
Well, that would mean an average of four wounds. So, lets say you drop four commanders on it. That's 16 wounds, on average.

And then next round, he blasts you with all the HWT, and Vulcan mega-bolter, and HB, and...

Well, you get the picture.

How good are obliterators now?

>>54167394
how many battle cannons were in that list

>>54167389
>Emperor's Children codex
Yeah, riiiiiight.

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>Play Nids and DE
Welp i'll guess i'll just use the Indicies until 9th then

>>54166186
>ten new codexes before Christmas
>At least four of them are guaranteed to be space fags.

Fuck you gw.

Do any any of the rules from Farsight Enclaves apply in the new edition, or is it that we have to wait on dedicated faction books for updated 8th edition changes?

>>54166652
Vallejo is shit m8, never bought a consistent colour from them.

>>54167421
Wait

>>54167346
>Right, Devour with Leech is Assault 6. Two-twinlinked is thus Assault 12, Twin-Linked. In 8th, that should just be four Devourers, so Assault 24

Except Devourer w/ BL Worms is A3 in 8e
You may trade one arm slot for two Devourers w/ BL Worms (A6)

Amd have two arm slots for A6×2 or 12 total.

>TLDR: Double Devourers got nerfed.

>>54167410
Not great. They turned into Orks.

>>54167410
They're not.

They're overpriced for what they are. You have a ton of other options that do it better. If they cost a bit less, might be viable.

>>54167153
Yes. Relatively small model count and easy to paint.

>>54167421
Nothing from prior editions counts in new edition. Not a single bit.

>>54167414
When Fulgrim, Lucius, and new Noise Marines come out in the same way Death Guard get Mortarion et al. it could happen

>>54166795
Let's see...

stuff they hinted at in the announcement:
Adeptus Mechanicus (forge worlds)
Necrons (dynasties)

most probable (fluff/divisions already there):
Orks (clans)
Astra Militarum (regiments)
Asuryani (craftworlds)

Stuff they probably have to make up:
Tau (septs)
Tyranids (hive fleets)
Drukhari (kabals)

Stuff that will probably be in because of past stuff:
Dark Angels
Space Wolves
Blood Angels
Blac....lolno

Dunno man:
Adeptus Sororitas (need models to go with release)
Genestealer Cults (new ish)
Inquisition (are they going to split into ordos? probably not?)
Imperial Agents (folded w the Inquisition?)
Ynnari (3 unique units lol)
Harlies (do we have enough of these?)

Dunno dunno:
"new race" (Hrud? Demiurge? Squats are back?)

>>54167429
Yes, that's what we're SAYING.

We're saying what they SHOULD BE, not what they ARE.

>>54167410
They do well, unless you're a WAAC faggot who can't handle a little randomness.

>>54167362
>>54167346
>>54166764
Maybe, just maybe, GW thought that devourers being literally the only choice ever taken on MCs was poor design/balance, and acted to rectify that by reducing the number of shots per devourer. You're not entitled to keep whatever was OP in the last edition, you know.

>>54167382
Ahahahhahaha
Oh wait he's serious hahahhahahhahahahahaha
I don't even play tau I play aeldari.

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>>54167429
We know they got nerfed, you nonce. We're explaining what the problem with their shot total is.

>>54167465
Except it wasn't even OP.

And now it's flatly never even a thing you'd take?

You will always take twin deathspitters now, you will never ever take devourerers.

If they wanted to do that, they should have kept it as it is, given Devourers their 24 weaker shots vs the Deathspitter fewer stronger shots to make it actually a decision.

>>54167382
Tau can deep strike within one inch of enemy models.

>>54167418
>>ten new codexes before Christmas

>Space marines
>Grey Knights
>Chaos Space Marines
>Death Guard
>Dark angels
>Thousand sons
>Blood angels
>World eaters
>Space wolves
>Emperor's children

>>54167489
Funny thing is, that doesn't even change anything? Against the tank in question, that changes average wounds of a fusion blaster from 1 to 1.17.

So, with four commanders, you may get like two or so extra wounds off. Tank still alive, every squad still is going to erase you on its own shooting phase.

>>54166649
That's extremely unlikely. The marine codex is coming out within a month, it's probably in print already. GW making serious balance changes in that amount of time is super improbable.

My guess would be a points cost hike in chapter approved.

>>54167409
How many wounds does that faggot have? Tau players usually have to tools need to wreck a unit of their choice in one round of shooting.

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>>54167465
>Devourers
>OP
>Anything in Nids circa 7th being OP
You're just baiting at this point. Take a long walk off of a short pier and never come back.

>>54167505
>every squad still is going to erase you on its own shooting phase.
With "Lasgun" ? lol. Savior protocol + bodyguard.

>>54167330
>more than half range
Sweet summer child.

>>54167409
Except my crisis team with infinite flamers also dropped in and annihilated those guys.

>>54167488
>Except it wasn't even OP.
Good one anon. I'm sure all those tournament players packed as many brainleech devourers in as possible into their nid lists because they liked the model.

>>54167454
>SHOULD BE
Not all Twin weapons got double shots.
IG Exterminator Autocannon didn't get double shots. IG Wyverns didn't get 8d6 shots.

>>54167526
They're IN THE TANK.

You can't hit them.

>>54167527
Good is not the same as OP

Which goes back to my point that all they did is replace one monooption with another.

>>54167526

Wow, your flamers can hit units inside transports?

Fishfaces are really good this edition

>>54167536
Thats great. Still should be.

>>54167308
>what should i target with them then?
Taurox Primes with Gatling/Volley Guns/Stormbolter. Scions with FRSRF and vanilla hs-las.

>>54167510
26. Its a fucking LoW.

How anal are people about having rules for units in front of you?

I want to bring a Leviathan at some point, but I haven't bought the FW index; is some fat neckbeard going to shriek at me for not having that book in front of me?

>>54167537
>>54167556
I think he meant dropping them on the conscripts the guy said he was using to bubble wrap.

>>54167575
Print it out or something.

>>54167410
Triple-nerfed.

7e
>Multiple weapon profiles, pick one. Can't use the same one twice in a row.
8e
>Random Gun. You're now an Ork.

7e
>Got a Power Fist, so could do backup melee in a pinch, or punch vehicles.
8e
>Lolnope. Enjoy whiffing against Tacmarines.

7e
>Can be run in units of 1, acting as a "solo"/troubleshooter.
8e
>Minimum squad size of 3.

This is before accounting for the current limbo where they have no Marks/Legion Tactics, save mods making a 2+/5++ less meaningful, etc. 8e Obliterators are basically a lazy carbon copy of Dev Centurions, only without meaningful guns or base toughness. Half the "advice" on how to use them revolves around suicide Deepstrike or them being able to shoot after advancing.

In short, what were once hulking yet ponderous weapon platforms are now functionally equivalent to suicide Landspeeders. And that's just fucking wrong.

>>54167537
Except your hwts can't fire either, because I deep strike a drone within one inch of the tank. Gg no re.

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>>54167504

>>54167575
Print off the EPub page in the OP and tell them you don't have a portable eReader

>>54167301
>aircrafts
Profiles were in the AM.catz file, just not indexed in the list. Just had to add them with the data editor.

>Sabre platform
Created the profile (quite simple, I just used an existing profile as a base to work on)

>>54167585
Except he replied to me that never mentioned that.

Conscripts are a meme anyway, and I'm actually interested in seeing tau commander spam. Will be fun to table it in like two turns.

>>54167504
You joke, but this is terrifyingly plausible

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>>54167585
>I think he meant dropping them on the conscripts the guy said he was using to bubble wrap.

>conscripts die to flamer

> Stormlord is safe

They did their job

>>54167558
New edition new profiles.

>Let's talk about another issue: boltguns used to ignore Guardsmen's Flakk armour in 7e they should be AP-2 to continue ignoring it in 8e.

:^)

>>54167346
>>54167362
>>54167403
oh, you meant what they *should* have for 8th.

I think the reason they lost the whole TL shebang is that they did get a points slash. Used to be 15(?) for TLpair (assault 6), now it's 8 for two (assault 3 x 2). So they lost the re-roll/twinning, but are at like...60% of old cost.

I don't mind, makes fexes much cheaper *and* brings them down to a level where you actually consider getting a pair of scytals instead of another one.

>>54167592
Except the tank can move and then fire. No longer within 1", gg, no re.

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>>54167415
I play nids and I've been looking for a second army myself, not sure what it should be though.

So is Nids best anti-tank the Stonecrusher Carnifex for D3 mortal wound then 4 attacks hitting on 4s re-rolling at S12 D6 damage?

>>54167517
>run out of arguments
>better tell him to kill himself

>>54167551
Well, it was good enough to win tournaments using brainleech devourers for a large part of the army's killing power. And let's not forget scatterbikes were widely considered OP for doing the exact same thing of spamming S6 dakka.

>>54167610
Wish they'd add them into the main. I do most of my building on my phone.

Thanks for the info.

>>54166697
At the very least swallow your pride enough to do yourself the favor of trying army painter's washes
You'll never use nuln oil again

>>54167629
I'm not saying he's smart or that is even a good tactic.

>>54167592

Step 1) Fire one squad at drone
Step 2) If all Drones are dead fire rest of the squads at Commanders, else repeat Step 1.

The Marauder Destroyer looks pretty good in 8e. 8 Hellstrikes, 6 Autocannon, 2 Assault Cannon and 2 Heavy Bolter means you're cruising around firing 18 Heavy Weapons off a Hard To Hit chassis and bombing fools for 460 points.

Makes me want to make an Admech flyer. What would a Mechanicus flying gunboat look like?

>>54167642
It has to fall back, which disqualifies the units within it from firing.

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>>54167409
How are you getting 4 wounds per commander ?
each commander has 4 shot that hits you on 2+ and wound on 4+ and you got no armor. of anything its 7 wounds per commander.

>>54167634

Wow so a dakkafex would be (ignoring base model cost change) a whole 14 points cheaper while being 33% less shooty?

Great deal.

>>54167632
You're missing the point. We're saying that in the transition, they obsoleted devourers. There is zero reason to ever take them on a MC.

I'm glad things have changed. I'm saying this was a poorly designed one and they messed up.

>>54167653
Horde, Nidzilla or Flying Circle flavour of Nids?

>>54167673
None of your units can fire at a drone within one inch of a friendly unit without a special rule or pistol weapons. Read the rules npcfag.

>>54167634
Except no, you just go double twin deathspitters or double paired scythes.

There is zero reason to ever use devourers.

>>54167592
The tank can just kill that drone before the things inside fire. Then they're eligible again.

>>54167675
No, because THEY didn't fall back, because they were never in combat.

>>54167654
nid best CQC anti horde is stonecrusher with wrecking ball, the best CQC anti tank is the heirodule shot by swarmlord

>>54167632
You know who else ignored guard armor?
Tau.
Let's not give them access to a bunch of cheap str 5 ap -2 shots.

>>54167465
They just replaced twin linked devourers with twin linked deathspitters as the only viable gun. They both have the same range, same number of shots, same damage and are both assault weapons, but deathspitters have +1 strength and AP -1 making them totally superior in all respects. They just replaced the single ubiquitous weapon with another ubiquitous weapon.

They may as well have just given devourers +1 strength and AP -1.

Though I don't think you're actually going to understand this, because you don't come across as being very intelligent.

>>54167685
>There is zero reason to ever take them on a MC.

And in 7e there was no reason NOT to take them.

And as A12 PER devourer set they'd obsolete EVERY other single option.

Explain why they nerfed Acolytes?

8 points or 1 PL for single Guardsmen seems stupid

>>54167703
They won't be eligible if the tank fell back to shoot the drone. Does the tank have special rules or pistol weapons that allow it to fire without falling back?

>>54167694
It's a mixed bag as it should be with most armies this edition but I want to run a malanthrope with 90 gaunts and see how it does. Adaptability would make horde absolutely broken and the debuff to shooting allows them to make it across the table in a slightly bigger mass than normal

>>54167694
Whatever you like best. All are viable.

>>54167729
Because a 3wound human in basic flak armor is ludicrous?

>>54167708
Read open transport rules and FAQs npcfag. If the transport falls back, units in it can't fire because it is as if they fell back.

>>54167702
Right now there isn't because twin deathspitters exist now (they used to be just ordinary DS). So what they need to do is give back the Devourer's re-roll to-wound (or I guess give it more shots). Something to differentiate it from the stronger Deathspitter. But right now they are just a cheaper, shittier Deathspitter.

>>54167732
It has rules that let it fire after falling back. Also yes actually, it can fire heavy bolters or flamers at things that are in melee AND its other guns at other targets.

>tau can deepstrike 1" away from you
>ignore snipers with drones
>can fall back and still shoot
When will these cancerous weebs actually play by the fucking rules?