Warhammer Fantasy General /wfg/

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>Is it possible for the Elder races to ever get their shit back together and rise to their old heights?

In theory, yes, but as the setting is it's practically impossible, due to the constant threats the world keeps on throwing at them - the Dark Elves, Chaos invasions, Orcs and Goblins, Skaven - they can barely hold their own, let alone rise. With some serious help they could manage it, but that help's not likely to be coming.

Dwarves especially seem despondent about the state of things, since they have lost so much of their ancient empire and knowledge. Elves might feel the same way, but either they aren't admitting it due to pride, or it doesn't affect them as harshly since they've still kept control of their homeland without much loss.

Anybody try Zweihander yet? I'm not at home so haven't downloaded the PDF of the free version yet but it looks neat as a "totally not an unlicensed WFRP 4e with all the copyright infringement scrubbed off."

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>>54158369
The Warhammer roleplay thread isn't up so ill post here. Trying to set up a WHFRP game with some friends but dont have 3rd edition and the pastebin link dont work. Also i could use some pointers and tips about DMing a warhammer game. If any eager volunteers would be willing to DM for us i would also be eternally thankful.

>>54159895
This IS the WHFRP thread, you're in the right place.

As for pointers and tips, it's hard to give you anything that would actually be helpful without knowing a bit more about what you're planning and what you want help with, specifically. Do you feel comfortable with the lore and 'feel' of the world?

>>54159895
I DM 2nd, so I can give you some generalized setting tips.

-This is not D&D. Magic is "common," but most people outside a major city like Altdorf or Nuln will never see a real wizard. Consequently, magic is feared and despised, and not unfairly. That doesn't stop folks from visiting their wyrd to take care of cramps, though.

-People of the Old World are religious. They take blasphemy seriously. Names have power, and uttering an evil god's name is a bad omen.

-People of the Old World tend to be ignorant. Rumors conflict, common wisdom is a confusion of truth and nonsense.

-People of the Old World are fractious. There is little sense of the modern nation-state. Wissenlanders don't like Reiklanders don't like Ostlanders don't like Stirlanders. Religion is a part of this identity.

>>54159895
Tip #1, don't play 3rd, play 2nd.

Tip number 2, these >>54160353

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>>54160142
Yes i know a bit here and there about warhammer, enough to get by.
>>54160353
>>54160411
Ok thanks for the tips ill but them to good use, i dont know much about my players back stories but the first general quest i have in mind is put them on clearing a old dwarf his small mine of skaven,(classic clear the basement of rats job) since the initial meet up of adventurers takes place in western Tileia.

>>54160868
That could work and is a fair gag besides, just make sure to make the dwarf gruff, a pitiless haggler, and very sensitive to wrongs done to him.

>>54158369

2522 WILL COMMENCE AGAIN IF THEY TRY TO TAKE OUR ARQUEBUS!

Age of Sigmar fans/scholars: is AoS more or less comparable to 40k in terms of 'character power level' in general? The AoS RPG from Cubicle 7 will use a ruleset different from their WFRP, so I'm thinking, should the games be financially successful enough for them to get the 40k license too, is it realistic to expect the 40kRP could use AoSRP's system? I know this is all just speculation in the dark, I'm just wondering about the general power scale of the settings

>>54162177
Wrong thread, power-creep

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>>54158369
>Is it possible for the Elder races to ever get their shit back together and rise to their old heights?

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So how do you want Daemons to work in TWW?

>Bele'cuck has to fight off four Daemon armies until Archaon summons them and they automatically confederate
>Bele'cuck must be defeated by any of the four armies at which point they confederate and launch invasions independantly of Archaon
>You must destroy the other three Chaos armies plus Bele'cuck and Archaon
>You may not play Daemons, they just get added to Archaon's army
>Glottkin

>>54162202
Absolutely this.
With the ability to take over any race's territory in 2, you can play as Dawi or High Elves and always keep true to your alliance while kicking everyone else into the dirt and leaving Karl as the condiment in your oldfag sandwich.

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http://warhammer-empire.com/theforum/index.php?topic=33967.0

SUMMON DA ELECTOR BOSSES!

Am I alone in preferring the Doomstones idea as to what caused the downfall of the Dwarfs?

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>>54162644
Summon-summon the Elector-manthings!

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>>54162213
As target practice for artillery fire.

>>54162177

Try the AoS thread, but I can tell you that GW is probably unlikely to give a company both of their big licences.

>>54163311
Wait, isn't Cubicle 7 doing WFRP 4th Ed too?

Wait...
Wait...Jesus, please someone tell me WFRP 4ed and the AoS RPG are different things.

JESUS CHRIST SOMEONE TELL ME THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS

>>54163339

They are two different things, but I mean they probably won't give one small company like C7 Fantasy, AoS and 40K. That's like 6 different books at this stage.

>>54163355
If they've given them two, it sounds like NuGW to put all their balls in one basket. Plus it would be interesting to have all three systems be compatible.

>>54163373

Well they've already said WFRP4E and the new AoS book will be using two different systems.

At the moment GW seems to just let companies bid on their IP, so it depends on whether C7 want to take it on but they don't seem to have shown any interest in 40K. I'm still convinced they were forced to take AoS along with the Fantasy licence, since we knew months in advance they'd made a bid and then it was only a month after the official announcement that we learned they were doing AoS as well.

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Anyone got any tips for running a oneshot for a bunch of D&D, monster of the week etc players? None of us have played WFRP before and I've never GMed before, but I'm really keen to run it. I've read the core book and most of the supplements so I think I'm pretty good on the rules. The session is 4 hours long

Also how should I handle fate points and wounds and healing? I don't really want them to be slaughtered but I don't want it to be too easy.
General GMing tips are welcome too. No bully pls

>>54163403
I've got my fingers crossed, but with one exception I've not been a fan of Cubicle 7s work.

I hope they don't lose money on the AoS gig though.

>>54163432
If its a oneshot, don't worry about slaughtering them. It's better to focus on the story. Speaking of, if your friends like their combat I'd recommend running a fight heavy prologue - something like playing the villagers defending against a beastmen attack, no fate points. Have them get slaughtered, then cut to the adventurers turning up to the burning vilage.

>>54163471

I mean worst comes to worst... it's back to 2nd edition.

Sure 2nd ain't perfect but there's nigh on endless amounts of house rules and fan made stuff to fill in any holes a GM/group doesn't like.

>>54162213

Add them to the mortals of chaos, making demons a separate army was a mistake.

>>54163501
Oh that's a cool idea actually! I might like to steal that. I've prepared a scenario but I was a bit worried it would be too convoluted if you or anyone was keen to CC it.

I mean I don't want to slaughter them all like kill them all an hour in and have them have nothing to do the rest of the evening. if I use fate points like the book they'll be alive, but still at 0 wounds which won't be very useful.

>>54163622
>if I use fate points like the book they'll be alive, but still at 0 wounds which won't be very useful.

Use Fate Points like GM fiat - it takes them out of the situation, but doesn't remove the penalty.

EG: Guy falls down a hole and dies. Spends a fate point - instead of dying he gets snagged on an outcropping and needs rescuing. Just don't be a dick and have him fall again.

Another example - guy gets hit with a cannon and dies. Spend a fatepoint and instead of being killed, you've lost an arm but your friends find you after the fight.

If you're ever in the situation where your PCs are at 0 wounds and spending a fate point every turn, you're doing it wrong.

Also - having a combat heavy prologue that goes bad for the players is a quick and easy way to show them how dangerous combat can be.

>>54162644
>>54162762
That's fucking rad!

>>54163652
thanks for the hints anon!

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>>54162213
I like the idea of the second option, because it seems fitting for Chaos - you have to fight against everyone else in order to gain the favor of the Chaos Gods by beating a champion they've set up for you. And it's a good way to make sure each Chaos faction is fleshed out, allowing you to go mono-god or a mixed force with equal effectiveness.

But, I would also like daemons to be added to Archaon's army, and in a very limited sense to Norscan forces (when they're fighting in Norsca, or in territory with enough Chaos corruption) perhaps as a series of RoR or maybe even summonable by sorcerers. Maybe even Beastmen with the same strict requirements. If units like Chaos Spawn, Giants and Manticores can get shared like that, I think it's fair, and it adds some variety to Chaos forces.

>>54163339
As of now, they are. WFRP4 is based on 2, Smegfinder is its own system.

>>54162644
>>54162762

I've seen some fucking heathens in my time... but this...

Is there any material on running a Skaven rpg? It seems like quite a fun idea.

>>54164717
Check out Children of the Horned Rat.

>>54158369
>tfw I just realized "Dawi" is a pun on "David", because all others are "Goliaths" to them

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So, I'm probably going to be making a nurgle fluffed count as-Wulfrik the Wanderer for my Mono Nurgle WoC-army for which I'd love to get some pointers regarding what model to base him on and the fluff surrounding him. The reason for me wanting to make one is that I'm currently working on some Nurgle Marauders based on the red robed acolytes in my picture since I absolutely adore the way they look which goes double for the concept of a Nurgle Lord riding through his army while his clergy perform a moving religious ceremony around him.
In terms of fluff I want to make this not!Wulfrik of mine some sort of messianic figure who have allied with or tagged along with my army. I probably want him to be some sort of nurglish cult-leader which would explain we he would be constantly surrounded by hooded followers fanatically loyal to him. Besides that I've not thought of anything more.

Any input is greatly welcomed!

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>>54165094
Why this picture for ants? It's a good pic, needs to be looked at in its full glory.

>>54165131
Sorry, I was phone-posting which makes it kinda hard to determine the actual size of internet photos.

>>54164339
Reminder that the Empire hiring greenskin mercenaries and giving Ogres citizenship is canon.

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Kurgan are obviously scythians.
Chaos tribes are amalgamation of famous raider nations.
Personally, i want chaotic Phoenicia like alternative for Huns and vikings.

>>54166680
So Kurgans are actually Amazons?

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>>54166680
>Kurgan are obviously scythians.
Yeah because my included picture really screams Kurgan Lord.
Kurgans are a mixture between Conan's Cimmerians and the stereotypic horse nomad.

>Personally, i want chaotic Phoenicia like alternative for Huns and vikings.
Holy fuck, why have I never before realised how much I wanted this!?
Have them rule the Sea of Dread and be culturally influenced by the Chaos Dwarfs. Human sacrifices made by throwing their own infants into furnaces that are shaped like a god is obligatory.

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>>54167017
Looks about as close to a Kurgan as this does to a Viking.

I mean that suit is literally from the Issyk kurgan

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>>54167165
Wulfrik actually looks like a proper fantasy viking, which is the basis for the Norscan people. Vikings =/= Fantasy vikings.

The Kurgan meanwhile have, as far as I'm aware, always been depicted as a mixture of stereotypic horse nomads and Conan's Cimmerians. To say that they are (only) based on the Scythian peoples is thus not particularly accurate.

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>>54167165
>>54167716

I mean this is perhaps the most famous depiction of a Kurgan. Can you really say that he shares any of the common Scythian characteristics?

>>54163565
>I mean worst comes to worst... it's back to 2nd edition
then there is Zweihänder too

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>>54167784
>most famous

>>54163432
try to handle it kind of like a fantasy Call of Cthulhu, the threat level and the PC mortality is pretty comparable, as is (or can be) the atmosphere of the setting's dark

>>54168459
*pretty comparable with starting chars at least

>>54167017

That's a cool hat, kind of looks like a wizard.

>>54169053
Fancy hat is indeed fancy.

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>>54167716
>Wulfrik actually looks like a proper fantasy viking, which is the basis for the Norscan people. Vikings =/= Fantasy vikings.
In that he has a beard. And furs. Wulfrik is about as far removed from real vikings as the Kurgan are from real central asian nomads.

I wasn't the one arguing that they're just Scythian anyway. They're obviously a mix of groups.
To go back to the Turkic argument from yesterday, many of the Kurgan tribes have names either lifted from real groups (The Dolgan are a real Turkic people) or very obvious borrowings (Khazags/Kazakhs)

>>54169266
>Wulfrik is about as far removed from real vikings as the Kurgan are from real central asian nomads.
Nice strawman buddy. No one is claiming that the Norscan people are exports of real vikings. As I stated in the part you quoted, real vikings are not the same as fantasy viking. Pretty much the only thing the two have in common is that both are seafarers from northern regions.
It's extremely obvious for anyone who have read just a hint of Norscan fluff that the Norscan are fantasy vikings.

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The Vampire Wars trilogy are the best WH Fantasy books. You can't prove me wrong.

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>>54169551
What's even the argument here any more?

All I'm saying, personally, is that the Norscans are Fantasy Vikings, the Kurgans are Fantasy Turkic/Indo-Iranian Steppe People and the Hung are Fantasy Mongols.

None of them are particularly close approximations, but it's obvious from the names at least.

>>54169708
Since "best" is subjective, then we can only prove it isn't to us.

>>54169762
Is this a dwarf among the chaos warriors? There is this one picture showing bretonnian knights, I think, with one dwarf hidden among them, walking with them. We joked how the dwarf was just lost and didn't want to admit it. I like to imagine that he really gets around.

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>>54169920
I think he's a human with his legs cut off by the mound.
The other picture you're thinking of has Valten, Karl Franz and some Imperial knights in it to. It's from a Storm of Chaos book (Darkness Rising I think?), so I imagine it's depicting the alliance that went to relieve Middenheim.

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>>54169762
>What's even the argument here any more?

I'm not so certain myself any longer. All I've done is arguing your claim that
>Norscans are Fantasy Vikings, the Kurgans are Fantasy Turkic/Indo-Iranian Steppe People and the Hung are Fantasy Mongols. My jimmys just got rustled by that guy who wrote that the Kurgan are not!Scythian when it's clear that that is not the case. Perhaps I should take my autism-tablets.

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Since it looks oike Goblins are squat, this Kickstarter may be a good way to get anything your army is missing.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2076383099/goblin-hood-2-little-john-28mm-fantasy-miniatures

>>54170631
Untill something concrete is confirmed I'm just going to go with the assumption that they are awaiting repackaging.

>>54168456
Holy fuck anon, I didn't even think of that. That's wonderful.

>Kurgan tries to sneak into the Empire to spy for Archaon's forces
>all he's done is shave his hair crudely
>"It's a disguise"

>>54169266
I like the idea that they're Turks myself - and the Hung seem to be Mongols or at least Mongol-like - technically the Jurchen, the people who would become the Manchu, weren't Mongols, but most people wouldn't look that close.

>>54158369
What happened to Skarsnik, is there a mention of him in Age of Sigmar? I know he left Eight Peaks after Gobbla died, but what about him?

>>54172569
Dropped plot. GW doesn't give a shit, so no resolution on it, shut up and buy Sigmarines then shut up some more.

Josh Reynolds tried to answer fan questions about the dropped plots and give some resolution until GW gave him a Cease & Desist order.
His Skarsnik was Mork incarnate. He arrived at the final battle and cleaved his way through Chaos. After the death of Grimgor he became the supreme greenskin, Gork and Mork in one. He was one of the last beings to die, with his green horde actually gaining ground against the Daemons as the world faded to black.

>>54172569
Speaking of named characters, what ever happened to Wulfrik, Vilitch and Scyla?

>>54173381
I find it weird how so many named characters at least get mentioned as having died, but so many still slip through the cracks.

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Please help me /whg/, I cannot for the life of me decide between greenskins or skaven for my second army.

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>>54174422
Greenskins.

Don't you want a super green army?

>>54173381
>>54173596
See
>>54173050

>>54174422
I considered Skaven.

But they have baggage. Cannot ever ally with other races, tied to Chaos.

So I went greenskins.

>>54172569
>Gobbla died

Only in Black Library, which doesn't count.

>>54173050
>Josh Reynolds tried to answer fan questions about the dropped plots and give some resolution until GW gave him a Cease & Desist order.

They did? Fucking great, I hate that feminist faggot and his shitty novels and shitty original ideas. Anything he says should be ignored, he's just a feelancer anyway.

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soon boys, soon

empire state troops aliv

>>54175727
Your ass sounds like its been ravaged quite thoroughly.

Also, he's the best writer at GW sadly enough. They may have middling crunchwriters, but Gav, Matt, and the rest are trash.

>>54176219
Not only is Josh a terrible author who never got Warhammer (I don't know about his AOS contributions, nor do I care), but he doesn't even write for the game, he's just a freelancer at BL. I'm not sure why you're bringing up Gav, since he's just a freelancer nowadays as well, but he was the Loremaster during Warhammer's best edition.

>>54174422
What's your first army? And what appeals to you about the different armies? My go-to recommendation is whichever army is most different to the one you currently have - to give you a different flavour of gaming and building.

>>54176501
What's the story with the Black Library hate? I've been out of the hobby for a long time, but I keep seeing people treat BL like it's different from GW. I thought BL was just the literary branch of GW?

>>54178290
It's output is generally poor. There's a few good authors in the mix, but the majority of Bl writers are godawful. If I recall correctly, Reynolds was the author of the Bretonnian series, and it sucked donkey balls.

>>54178343
But is BL canonically non-canonical, or is it just a case of not liking shit authors ruining a good setting?

>>54178445
BL is probably the lowest grade of canon. It's the source with the most content and the least oversight.

Consider the following, I suppose: https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Black_Library#Is_this_Canon.3F

>>54178588
Cheers, brotheranon. I suppose it can't be any worse than ET and AoS in the big scheme of things.

It's a little contentious to say, but I've always been of the mind that the truth of the Warhammer setting is whatever the group you play with chooses it to be. At the end of the day, that's what really matters. If I want to hop onto a Siberian Massage Imageboard and discuss what it would take for the Dwarfs to set up an underwater mining station, then the canonicity of whether that was even possible shouldn't matter.

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Based GW. Eat shit cucks

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>>54178865

I know total war is /v/, but I thought this would be a better place to ask.
Is the advisor in warhammer total war a character who already existed in the setting? If so, who is he?

>>54179742
He's totalwarman

>>54179742
He did not exist before Total Warhammer, no.

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1) Was this model released prior to you-know-what?
2) Is Sarthorael's tentacle staff unique to him? I don't recall seeing it in any other Lord of Change art or model.

>>54179742
Not that we know of but my personal theory is that he's different from the reveal trailer light wizard, who is actually Egrimm van Horstman. I recall CA saying somewhere that they weren't the same character, at least.

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You know, these seem too skinny for demigryph.

>>54179807
>>54179804
>>54179770
Alright, thanks. The details with him being blind and having a white raven pet seemed oddly specific, I guess.

>>54179867
I'm pretty sure he's meant to be the reveal trailer light wizard, and there's some theory floating around about him being a sorcerer of Tzeentch or something.

>>54178260
Im building an empire army at the moment, but would also like to work on both simultaneously. Skaven would be fairly similar in terms of artillery, but I dig the overall lore and models. Orcs and goblins are different, and I love the flavor and character they have, but Skaven have more depth and motivation.

>>54178343
he wrote the blazing sun book which was great

>>54162177
Don't go to the AoS thread, it's a full on shitshow.

Power level changes per faction as usual, but the setting is more magical. one of the recent novels takes place in a city where you can buy 'prophecies' via a special magical alloy that is used in the city as currency and the most important research subject. Some of the citizens get addicted to this and become junkies addicted to 'shimmerlings'

Another city is build in 2 realms/planes(fire and life) and features a portal that connects the two and is also used to have a river of lava flow from the fire realms to the life realms for industrial reasons.

However, humans are still humans and the empire soldiers still serve the cities as guards and soldiers(they are now organized into 'guilds').

>>54178865
You know they are just getting reboxed with round bases right?

>>54179834

Holy shit, yeah I think they may need to be used as horse replacements. Base looks so barren.

>>54179742

TW made him up as a tutorial basically.

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>>54175775

Bret alternatives standing by.

>>54174422

I picked Skaven, buy Spire of Dawn and you get half an Elf army for free and it comes with squares.

>>54170905

Nigh goblins are probably coming back, forest/normal goblins may be dead since their models were old as fuck.

test

>>54158369
>Fantasy general is three hours older than AoS general
>AoS is a fucking wasteland of 28 posts and mostly shitposting
>fantasy page 3 and three times more posts and less autism
Why are AoS fags so delusional of their false success as a game?

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>>54181438
Don't kid yourself. we run this general

>>54181438
>Slav shitposter migrated from /WHFB/ to shitpost /AoS/
>fantasyfags come to /AoS/ to shitpost
>wonders why people don't want to engage with shitposters and just keep to themselves

Alright so...can we revenge shitpost? You guys more than deserve it.

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>>54181473
Our memes are too strong for you

>>54181473

Your shit posters are home grown.

They were born in AoS, moulded by it. By the time they saw square bases they were already a man...

>>54181512
I will take the indigenous shitposters but you guys have to take back the slav shitposter.

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>>54181528

>>54180896
>However, humans are still humans and the empire soldiers still serve the cities as guards and soldiers(they are now organized into 'guilds').
They aren't soldiers, my dear fantasycuck, just worhless police.
>>54180915
>just getting reboxed with round bases
And AoS, rules and names, soon there will be sign of your dead game.

>>54181457

SBG have been pulling the strings all along...

Seriously if they'd made AoS like that I could have got behind it.

Anyone know if there's any good art of Chaos Dwarfs? Mainly the newer style Infernal Guard.

>>54181576
SBG? Excuse my ignorance, but what does SBG stand for?

>>54181593

There's not much, they only featured in that FW book and the art was this weird pastel stuff that wasn't great.

>>54181616

Lord of the Rings/Hobbit strategy battle game.

>>54181483
>dead game
>memes
pick one

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>>54181660

I choose memes then.

>>54181576
>Seriously if they'd made AoS like that
Well, they've added one mechanic from LoTR

>>54181651
Thanks

>>54181678

What as that?

The whole SBG was good to be honest, I play a lot of historical skirmish stuff and the SBG and Bolt Action are by far the two most ripped off systems.

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>>54181660
>dead game
>steam best seller
pick one. Fantasy is beyond the reach of crude physical. It shall live forever in the stream of human consciousness that is the internet

>>54181698
>>steam best seller
Then go to /v/ and /vg/

>>54181678

Oh I get it... they're both dead games.

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How goes your chaos hunting /whfb/>

>>54181773
To be fair AoS is also death, soon it'll be only 40k and it's many flavours.

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>>54181770

We will as soon as you go to /toy/.

>>54181770
See
>>54158369
>Total War Warhammer: store.steampowered.com/app/364360/

>>54181782

I hope you played this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGU1P6lBW6Q

>>54181693
>What as that?
Double turns

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>>54181808

Fuck...

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>>54181782
Something that I really loved about playing Bretonnia, after suffering through far, far too many Skaeling raids and a Chaos invasion that struck down my Norscan territories, was surviving and building a large and strong enough army to begin hitting the Norscans back in their own territory - and that's something Bretonnians are a lot better at than defending.

If it weren't for how difficult it is to survive there, how little I understood of the scale of the place and their remaining territories, and a war with Estalia and the Wood Elves brewing that turned my attention south, I probably would have smashed the whole faction, maybe the Vargs as well, instead of just razing three or four settlements. As it was, I got to feel good about leaving them broken for so long that it took them many, many turns to start trying shit again. It was a pity at that point it was so late in the game that I had little else to do than finally finish the main campaign.

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>>54182105
should be 'a Chaos invasion that struck down my Nordland territories,' sorry. It was actually sad to have put work into making friends with Nordland and then see them get wiped off the map while I was still struggling to keep a hold on Marienburg.

>>54179834
They seem too skinny for dromedarii

>>54179834
>for demigryph.
Why do you even use them as demigryph knights?

>>54180729
I bet Josh took every opportunity to masturbate about how much better Myrmidia is compared to other war gods because she's female.

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>>54182350
Myrmidia is pretty much athena.

If you don't have the Ambidextruous talent, do you take a hit to WS for the purposes of parrying with a weapon?

End imes

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>>54182572
*blocks your end times*

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>>54182572

>>54182508
No.

>>54158570

Dwarves are completely fucked due to where they are on the map.

High Elves on the other hand have a safe continent. There is literally no reason for them to be going extinct other than writers wanting it. Seriously, dark elves are the same race and they flourish despite being much more violent and murdering each other like crazy.

>>54182350
Myrmidia is better mostly because she doesn't have strictures like 'only ever charge like a retard' or 'convince your enemies that you're killing anyway that you're brave by not wearing a helmet.'

>>54181770
How about you go back to the Paizo forums, newfag?

So how can WH Fantasy be fixed to make it more popular?

>>54180896
That's hilariously gay. You guys should go find the World of Warcraft general.

>>54183234
Doesn't need any help with that, the video games sell like hotcakes while AOS dies on the vine.

>>54183185
Was there ever a good reason for the low high elf brth rate? I just can't remember it.

>>54179834
I fucking told you, that's an awful idea. You're better off using elephants

>>54183185
>Ulthuan
>safe continent

>>54183324

Compared to rest of WH world it's a paradise.

>>54183258

Warhammer TW sells like hotcakes because it's the first good fantasy strategy game in ages. If it was set in LotR or GoT it would sell even better.

>>54183281
Special elf biology I think

>>54182572
We don't talk about that abomination of books here

>>54183352
>it's a paradise.
Only Inner kingdoms

>>54183380
But dark elves don't have these problems, and I never heard of wood elves suffering under it as well.

Is there some sensible homebrew for making spears not so overpowered in WFRP?

>>54183457
>Is there some sensible homebrew for making spears not so overpowered in WFRP?
>spears are overpowered in WFRP
That's like the opposite problem of every other RPG ever.

>>54183480
They're throwable, fast, don't weigh or cost anymore than hand weapons and don't do any less damage. There's no point at all to not to take one.

>>54183369
Sad how true that is. I literally saw "LotR" and my dick twitched.

Although, I spent many a night wiping my monitor clean with the 3ATW mod so I'm a lil' biased.

>>54183452
Ehh dark magic? But more likely just plot or lazy writing. I think someone in Geedubs said that there are always enough Delves because plot or something, bu I'm not sure

>>54183540
>Sad how true that is. I literally saw "LotR" and my dick twitched.

Why? I love Middle Earth for its mythology and the stories and the history. But I can't help but think Warhammer beats it as a setting for a video game. There's just more stuff. More monsters, more factions, more reason for conflict that isn't purely good/evil. Whenever someone tries to inject new material into the setting it sticks out like a sore thumb.

>>54183639
Whenever someone tries to inject new material into MIDDLE EARTH, that is.

c.f. Shadow of Mordor

>>54183657
OTOH, Third age 3 is the best LOTR game ever made because it respects the fluff.

>>54180416
Character trumps depth, and orcs are more different than skaven. Go orcs.

>>54183516
Superior Spearfags represent.

>>54183457
Just give them a neg WS mod to opponents who are too close.

>>54183516
They also can't parry without a parrying stance and use Fast if used one handed, as mentioned either in core or the official errata.

>>54184066
>Just give them a neg WS mod to opponents who are too close.
This. Besides really close combat there's a reason that the spear have been with humanity since before civilisation. It's just really fucking good at its job for its price. Modern militaries of today have even seen use of it in the form of the odd bayonet charge.

>>54184109
I just checked this, and couldn't find this in either. They can parry with a shield if one handed.

>>54184066
How do I classify too close? Do they get attacks of opportunity if my PCs try to get close, or give opportunity attacks trying to move away?

>>54174422
>Tfw play both VC and O&G.
Feels goodman

>>54181678
I'd still hate AoS even if it had the legions of middle earth rules.

>>54184305
If you're using minis, base contact is too close and let them attack from 1 square away.

If you're goig abstract, treat them as normal on the charge but downgrade the spear to a staff when they fail an attack roll. Go back to treating it as a spear after the succeed with an attack.

>>54178865
Kys aos-cuck faggot!

So I run the basic adventure from the 1st ed WHFRP rulebook. It's fun. I hope to end up with running campaign.

Are there any information on Solland before it gets retconned?

Is there any sensible information on gnomes?

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Reminder that this is what the creator of Warhammer feels Orcs should look like.
Grey and red, not green and black.

>>54184591
These orcs have been out in the sun for too long!

>>54184591
Blades look like they are made out of stone.

>>54184591

Which creator?

They still look greenish to me.

>>54183369

> GoT

Take that fan-fiction shit and get out of here you bum.

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>>54184820

>>54183281

Same reason western countries have low birth rates maybe. Life is easy for them, lots of things to do.

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>>54184835
https://youtu.be/XAAp_luluo0

>>54184896

I knew it would be that awkward bastard.

He does these things on purpose. If you tell him khorne demons are red he'd purposefully g out and paint some yellow to piss everyone off, but no one can say shit to him because he made the game.

>>54183305
Yeah, at least they come with bows so I can use them as "pistoliers".
Other idea:
Plastic landsknechts with sikh turban heads and a feather (once they come out).

>>54183185
Dark Elves flourish because they have bloodsexorgies and pump out thousands of kids to avoid how many of them get backstabbed. Say what you will about Dark Elf society, if you're good at backstabbing you can work your way from the bottom up to the side of Malekith himself.

>>54184962
Its because he likes variety and hates there being a right or wrong answer to anything. He's the reason there's more Space Marine chapters than there are individual codexes.

He's a strong proponent of local canon being the only real canon and what's in the books having as much meaning as the background to a starter set.

Hell, his version of Storm Of Chaos would have ended with a suggestion that players go back and try it out with Valten leading Chaos and Archaon being Sigmar reborn and lore coming after being that both died and not giving a concrete answer to the events so however it went in your community is not retconned.

>>54185060
>Valten leading Chaos and Archaon being Sigmar reborn
Still gets kicked in the nuts by everyone's favorite loony toon.

>>54185060

Yeah but as we've seen with AoS, most people like ground rules.

>>54182105
There's something fishy about that lord's horse...

>>54185108
All we've seen for AoS is people will eat anything.

>>54184962
I don't really see the problem with that. He's not saying that khorne daemons can't be red, he's just making it so it can also be yellow. Sure, it'd be more frustrating if he painted Pink Horrors green and Blue Horrors orange, but I'm glad that he's leaving room for variety without cutting off ideas entirely.

Something that I've found depressing about most of the settings I like these days is that I no longer trust who is in charge of the canon to do a good job. And comparatively, a fluid 'there is no real answer' is a lot more comforting than the idea of what I like being 'ruined' forever because some new idea has retconned an old one I like, or has made it so a headcanon I like no longer matters.

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>>54185108
There's a difference between hard ground rules (Bloodletters are always ref), suggested ground rules (here's red Bloodletters, now here's an example of blue and feel free to try yellow), and Sigmar's Funhouse (Bloodletters are actually tiny interdimensional beard men who fuse to form a Megabloodletterzord).

>>54184835

You know CA wanted to make a GoT game but license was expensive as fuck?

>>54185402

Thank fuck they didn't.

IN 6th edition, if you issue a challenge to a mounted enemy, do you still get to direct your attacks to the mount?

I'm building a dwarf force and was thinking about getting a Dragonslayer and kit him so he can deal with a WE lord on dragon

>>54185019

This is complete bullshit. Elf women can't get pregnant as often as human women. That's the justification for low birth rate.

But if dark elves can have a population growth despite living in far more dangerous lands, fighting all the time and murdering each other there is absolutely no reason for high elves to go extinct.

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>>54185429

They will sooner or later.

>>54185468
Gav literally answered this.

When asked why one story says four casualties is a terrible loss for High Elves when another has tens of thousands dead and is a great victory he said they just bullshit numbers for each story, there are as many Elves as the plot demands.

>>54185431
Yes, it's on the same base.

>>54185566

So he admitted it's just shit writing.

I really wish Chaos would go back to how it was in 1st edition of RPG.

>>54185468
I'm pretty conflicted about what runes should i get him tho.

I already decided for a rune of might (doubles your S against enemies with R 5 or more, so i'd go hitting that fucking thing with S8)

and a rune of skill, so he'd raise up to WS 7, which is nice

but what should I give him between a greature rune of speed (ASF) or a greater rune of vengeance ( weapons deals 1d6 wounds with every hit)?

I figure that him, being a slayer, would not last against a WE on a dragon, so i'm torn. Should i make him strike first, and hope he lands enough hits to kill the dragon before getting eaten, or do i trust him to resist a first attack in exchange of a greater chance to kill off the dragon in a single turn?

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>>54158369
Did some more editing to this homebrew.

>>54185468
Dark Elves have a lot more sexy women that want to have bloodsexorgies than High Elves who only care about the missionary position? That seems logical to-

>Sorceresses aren't allowed to have babies

Uuuuh Malekith forces all the Dark Elves to have bloodsexorgies so he can have more troops to fight the High Elves. Forces the population to boom over and over.

>>54185615

Why are the Elves a dying race in Tolkien?

>>54185816
It's still shit

>>54185855
They aren't, they are a leaving race.

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>>54185816
And here's the one for magical and divine marks. I'm trying to come up with marks for Hedgecraft magicians. I have an idea for one more positive mark that grants Very Resilient and Hardy but I don't know what to call it.

>>54185615
Inconsistent writing, at least. Honestly, the four dead elves tragedy is the borderline retarded one.

>>54185855
because they're actually leaving en masse and nevere have children

>>54185876
>>54185911

Well the Elves did the same thing, there empire ended and they retreated back to their island.

>>54185945
>there empire ended and they retreated back to their island.
Except they are keep dying in wars across the whole world

>>54185945
The difference is Ulthuan is still part of the world and perfectly reachable by distaster, war, famine and other nasty shit

Valinor is literally Paradise

>>54185911
>and nevere have children
But that's wrong.

>>54185972
Who doesn't?

>>54185990
There are no depiction or mention of elven children in the whole of LoTR

the only "child" described is Elessar's son, who is actually an half-elf

>>54185979
>and perfectly reachable
Reachable, yes. Perfectly, no. Reminder that it's basically Melnibone with less edge.

>>54185402
bullshit
>telltale can buy GoT rights but SEGA can't.
ebin

>>54186067
Norscan raiders get to Ulthuan all the time, as do Dark elves

the don't leave, but still can get there quite easily

even Grom the Paunch, a fucking goblin, managed to get there

>>54186124
Just because some writers decide that danger needs to get there or they want some character to beet up some elves doesn't mean that all the magic bullshit around Ulthuan stops functioning. At some point someone has to make it. Yes, some come there, doesn't mean it's perfectly reachable. I never stated that it's perfectly unreachable as well.

I hope this isn't just some argument about semantics.

>>54186207
>doesn't mean it's perfectly reachable
Say it to Ulthuan western shore

>>54185972
>>54185979

I think you guys take the dying race too literally, they mean their power is waning compared to the lesser races, the dominion of Elves is ending, they're not the power they once were and are now comparable to the Empire, Cathay and other races that were seen as inferior.

>>54186232
Don't forget that now they have to rely on other races to support them since they can no longer afford to send armies everywhere. Instead of doing all the trade with Cathay themselves, they have to help humans maintain it and make sure they get a slice. Instead of holding off the armies of Chaos as they once did, they have to let the Empire do it. It's not just that their power has waned, but they have to rely on the more youthful races.

Just like how the Dwarves, for all their grudging, probably wouldn't last half as long if there weren't humans regularly fighting off Orcs as part of a crusade, or taking the brunt of some Waaagh running across the Empire or Bretonnia.

>>54186207
I always imagined the magic bullshit protecting ulthuan as mostly illusions and shit that make you lose your course and crash on some rocks.

The kind of shit that works only if you don't know where your're going

>>54186124

Malakith knows the way home.

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>>54185819
>>Sorceresses aren't allowed to have babies
>no horny sorceress waifu who allows you to go bareback because she wants a baby desperately.

>>54186410
That's what they are doing and it works mostly. It doesn't make Ulthuan unreachable, but I can imagine even a fleet reaching the shores unorganized and all over the place helps them a lot. As the other anon stated, only the dark elves seem to manage to get there on a regular basis.

>>54185615
Yep.

GW mentality mind you is the story sells the models, the models are the company focus.

So it doesn't need good writing. Instead of trying to put out the best product possible and attach their name to it, its just commission work for a client done professionally but without passion. "Its just entertainment, its not supposed to be Shakespear".

>>54186124
>Norscan raiders get to Ulthuan all the time

Cute bullshit. They almost never make it to the shore. They get fucked by elf navy, sea monsters or sharp rocks. Norscan raids on Ulthuan are incredibly rare to the point they are no danger.

Grom was literally the only case greenskins ever made it to Ulthuan because insane luck happened.

The only real danger are Dark Elves.

>>54185945
The Elves were never really intended to leave their island. They were a work of art designed by the supreme creator, to adorn the crown of the world.

Humans are Eru's story in print, Elves are the beautiful gilded artwork in the margins, Dwarves are the binding.

>>54185015
I'm sorry for yelling and cursing at you, I just had a shitty day.
Pistoliers use pistols, these guys have bows. If you play ninth the Empire can use horse archers so they're perfect for that. Other than that the Bretonnians have Yeoman Peasants on horses, that's a good use for then.

>>54186791

This is only true for later editions. You know, when WHFB started going to shit and bleeding players.

I still remember stuff like half of magic colleges heads being hot chicks. Then the 40k people started writing Fantasy and it all became retarded grimderp mess for 14y old fags.

>>54186124
Don't forget that Empire/Elf politics began when humans managed to reach the island and were escorted to Lothern to build their embassy.
>>54186232
Naw, they're literally dying out.
Read up about Yvresse. Tiranoc is just the one with waning power.

Hell, a Chaos Champion gives Morathi a long speech about humans being the maggots in the corpse of the Elven world while she rolls her eyes.

>>54186623
Sorry anon, that's how it works. All the sorceresses are ritually married to Malekith, so they can't marry or bear children. Probably part of his way to control the use of magic in his lands, since he doesn't want a male magic user casting him down.

>>54186073
And there was that shit, rushed RTS game.

That license simply can't be that expansive.

>>54186312
Other way around. Dwarfs are unable to deal with shit because they keep 70% of Skaven and 95% of Night Goblins busy. Empire and Dwarfs cannot exist without each other.

>>54186905
>I still remember stuff like half of magic colleges heads being hot chicks
I need pictures.

>>54186953

Realms of sorcery 1st ed.

>>54186912
>Naw, they're literally dying out.

Books say how they are dying out and then few pages later they talk about high elf military being the most powerful on the planet. And then describe apocalyptic battles with giant elf armies.

>>54186847
Actually Eltharion intentionally was luring the greenskin population of the world to Ulthuan. So its likely that many would reach there barring ET.

Successful Chaos raids happen because Dark Elves or a Champion lead the way.

Do we have 1st ed. WHFRP repository?

>>54187026
Exactly.

Because there's as many as the plot demands.

There's so few left and are at constany war that there will only be a few more generations at most, thinks Tyrion as he leads ten thousand armed Silver Helms into a charge against Dark Elves.

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>>54186984
Sweet, look at this orcs toned ass.

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>>54186928
Sega buys licenses from Fox. They can buy from HBO anytime.
>>54186914
No, true love conquers all!

>54187133
>No, true love conquers all!
Lore > waifufaggotry.

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>>54186851
The Elves were never really intended to go to their fucking island in the first place.

>>54187133
I mean, it's not completely impossible - Malus Darkblade himself is the child of a sorceress - but it means that things are gonna be a little bit fucked up because of the political play that would entail, since you gotta keep Malekith from killing the baby and all, and you gotta find a sorceress that wants a baby and isn't gonna backstab you after you help her out.

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>>54186124
>Norscan raiders get to Ulthuan all the time

>>54187998

Seems about right.

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>>54187639
>Complex politics-obsessed race of millions spread across the oceans and continents
>Only three political affiliations, Malekith/Morathi/Hellebron

Y'all loremasters need Priestley.

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>>54188075
There's probably more based on the individual noble houses, but it makes sense to me that those three would be behind just about everything indirectly, even feuds between two noble families under their control (to weaken both and keep them under their thumb). It adds to the sense of paranoia around the Dark Elf race and how futile their backstabbery is overall, since as soon as someone more powerful comes around they have to swallow their pride and grovel.

It still doesn't make sense at all if you look beyond the surface, but they're still a more interesting antagonist than 'lol Chaos wins forever in the end!'

>>54188157
Eh, its the problem with modern GW writing.

Its all about the posterboy.

"Fuck your OC faction, play Von Carstein. Fuck your OC, they're a redshirt Von Carstein, Mannfred killed the others."

It doesn't fit the vision of the loremasters, so it must be forbidden and more must be added to wank their own favorites.

>>54181770
Total War Warhammer is welcome here.

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>>54188400
A FUCKING PARROT
cute

>>54188400

So they are going to have 6 types of flying monsters at release?

Like if elven archers with armor weren't scary enough.

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>>54186067
Ulthuan needs more edge honestly.
Maybe not Melnibone levels, but it's just a little bit too utopian for my liking. Taking a few more leaves from the Ancient Greece book might be a good way to do it.

>>54188400
THat shit is fucking adorable.

I have no experience with WFRP, though am familiar with the 40K RPG's, are the mechanics of the various editions similar?

And my main question, if I wanted to play a Necromancer (I know, I know), how would I go about doing it?

>>54184591
>>54184896
Huh, I never knew this.

Honestly I can't comment, I'm one of those people who thinks Lizardmen should be blue (but not so much that it annoys me that they're not, in TW2).

>>54188651
They needed to dial back the dying race trope a lot and decentralize.
In most BL books we get a lot of bullshit about how High Elves are mostly on the outs because they're so obsessed with politics that they screw themselves, but we only see that in the War of the Beard and maybe Aislinn skullfucking Marienburg once before saving it and everyone forgiving him.

We need Eataine fucking up those Caledorian bastards and a heresy of Hoeth in Saphery going to war with Isha devotees in Avelorn. An election crisis for Tiranoc and Chrace having to invade the damn Warp itself to stop the fucking Daemons from coming down from the ski lodge.

Some serious War Of Rose shit going on.

>>54188651
That's mostly just the inner kingdoms. In the outer kingdoms they have the goddamn shadow realms.

>>54188651

Go away 40k fags. If anything rest of WH world needs less edge.

>>54188735
That anon was being misleading.
Priestley said that's the colors that he likes for them because they pop when you take a picture of them, not that it should be the canon color. Priestley probably dislikes them only being green, but its against his writing philosophy to say anything is wrong.

On an unrelated note it looks like Shieldwolf Miniatures released a preview for their third Kickstarter. Looks like female Space Marines and girl Archaon.

>>54188469
Bretonnian gank squads are going to fear the High Elves

>>54188758
Less edge, more action.

Give High Elves back an Old World colony, heat up the civil war by giving Dark Elves a fortress and port in Nagarythe while High Elves have the same on southern Naggaroth, and progress the Eltharion VS green plot with a WAAAGH made up of smaller WAAAGHs all crossing the sea towards Ulthuan with a Grudge-avenging Dwarf fleet not far behind.

>>54188075
There are lots of subfactions, as we see in the Malus Darkblade novels. It's just you don't argue with 3 of the oldest and most powerful living elves in the world. Not directly, anyway.

>>54188651
They already keep slaves.

>>54188075

This is the main problem with GW writing really. They focus on heroes that have minis and ignore everything else.

>>54188758
If you don't like edge, go back to LOTR or AOS.

>>54188917

What? High elves keep slaves?

>>54188932

Earlier editions had less edge and they were much better. When Fantasy started getting 40k levels of edge everything started going to shit.

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>>54188695
WFRP 1e and 2e are roughly similar, 3 is its own monster.

In WFRP 2 (the best one), to play a necromancer you could do a large variety of career paths. the most direct would be Apprentice Wizard -> Journeyman Wizard and then take Dark Lore (Necromancy), though you COULD go Hedge Wizard -> Witch -> Warlock and then grab Dark Lore (Necromancy).

Note that Dark Lores, while more powerful, have a terrible price (higher risk of Tzeentch's Curse, worse side effects, good chance of being murdered by anyone who catches on).

>>54188941
They're referred to in the Gotrek & Felix novels, where Gotrek sneeringly mocks some high elves for the practice. And he's not just conflating them with the druchii.

I believe it has been largely abolished in Ulthuan, however.

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>>54188758
It's just that a lot of the other races have interesting internal conflicts. The Empire is very fragmented with barons warring against one another and cults gnawing away at the roots of society. Bretonnia has a shiny facade hiding a huge class divide, the Dwarfs have grudges and clan feuds written down in blood.

The High Elves had one big falling out with unambiguously good guys and bad guys. They all seem to live the lives of nobility with clean white robes despite having no slaves or serfs to work for them. There's politicking, but they remain united.

I should mention that I think Dark Elves could do with a bit of edge-removal at the same time. They could do with a bit less baby-eating and a few less spikes and the High Elves could do with a bit more surprisingly-bloodthirsty Khaine worship and a Peloponnesian War equivalent.

>>54189026
How would High Elves have slaves when nonelves aren't even allowed anywhere but a small disctrict in Lothern?

Also where does Gotrek get off giving High Elves shit when Dwarfs keep Goblins as slaves?

>>54170336

>Hung are Fantasy Mongols

Indeed. Hobgoblins too are mongol-like, see Oglah Khan Wolfboyz

>>54189123
>Also where does Gotrek get off giving High Elves shit when Dwarfs keep Goblins as slaves?
Because they are goblins.

>>54189145
Dwarfs don't keep goblins as slaves, or if they did, that was added after the G&F novels. (Of course, dwarfs don't count the dawi zharr as dwarfs.)

It's an intensely stupid idea, too, since goblins are worthless labor.

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>>54189190
Miners use them for dangerous jobs.
That's why the Miner kit comes with one locked in a cage. They use it as a mine canary until its time to use the fucker on a suicide mission.

>>54188965
6th edition is literally the best edition.

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>>54189077

High Elves would probably be more interesting if they were more British Empire and less fairy tale Atlantis.

Other races living on Ulthuan as slaves/2nd class citizens would be interesting.

Or maybe make Dark Elves more like that instead of being some blood bathing retards.

I liked how NGNL did elves as an expansionist empire and largest nation on the planet. More settings should do that.

>>54189418
6e was 5e's retarded grimdark brother.

>>54189127
As are ogres from Mountains of Mourn. I like to think that MoM ogres are racially different from the classic tusked Middle Mountains ogres.

>>54189439
You don't have any good high elf art, do you?

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>>54189549

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>>54189549

Only porn really.

>>54189613
That's cool, haven't seen that one yet. Thanks.

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>>54189665
Leave.

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>>54188202
It does kind of go against attempts to create an OC if you can't declare a new noble house and such.

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>>54189705
Nay, thou.

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>>54189549
Depends on what you think is good. I like my high elves more on the human side than the alien side.

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>>54189668
NO problem. Sorry its not higher res, trying to find it readable.

Have a Swordmistress.

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>>54189791

That's a wood elf. And a crappy one.

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>>54189804
That's fair enough, as long as they are badass.

>>54189817
Yeah, the text is unfortunately not very readable.

>>54189847
And that's an animu elf, the epitome of crap. Please keep that shit out of here.

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>>54189847
>Posting thin pale Wood Elves

3/10, would not stalk for days before trying up and dragging to a deep place never to be seen again.

>>54189900
Please masturbate before posting. Please post on-topic pictures.

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>>54189929
I wish GW had made that one.
>>54189918
Oh come on, it was a joke.

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>>54190025
Would you shoot this with a cannon and send it screaming into the jaws of Slaanesh?

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>>54190143

>>54189847
What eroge?

>>54181693

LotR was such a good game. Gorgeous sculpts, eminently affordable, and the mechanics made slamming two shieldwalls together feel great. I miss it.

>>54192417

It's making a comeback under FW tutelage.

They regularly publish articles on warhammer community.

>>54192553
Hobbit isn't as good though, I hope they can give us legions 2 electric boogaloo but with all the units actually existing come the next version of the game.

I've never done an RP before either as a player or as a DM and i want to hop into Warhammer RP

Where can i go to play and how do i not be a noob?

>>54184397

I tried replying to this last night but I kept getting a bad gateway error. Just wanted to say that I am going abstract and definitely using this. It's a really simple and elegant fix to it I think.

Thanks

>>54192553
You have to go back, shill

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