Warhammer 40k general /40kg/

>Guys, look at me! I play the game. Guys? Hello???? I am here! Hellooooooo? Please respond.
Guardfags

First for Necrons are Top Tier

There's already one of these you filthy phoneposter! Also, holy shit 7k images! Delete some of those, you stupid slut!

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1st for Guardfags

Why did GW take out celestine's ability to move tanks with faith?

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>>54151291
Okay let's start with something constructive
Post
>the armies from your most recent game
>who won
>what unit was the MVP of the armies

>>54151317

The irony of your post is delicious.

>>54151368
>IG Vs Tau (Narrative play)
>IG by virtue of hanging on
>a Fire Warrior strike team for dancing around a Punisher shooting them in the face

Granted we only managed to get about half the game in due to time constraints, but it was fun nonetheless.

>>54151334
based guardfag

>>54151402
How is it ironic

>>54151334
Jesus those look horrible.
Don't delude yourself for a fucking second thinking those are 'table top quality'. Those look like shit

>>54151406
>>54151404
>tau
Bloody hell, why?

>>54151368
Primaris Vs Death Guard (Dark Imperium set)

Chaos victory due to the Primaris player destroying the Blight Drone with his Captain, feeling bad and rerolling the fight again, not damaging it enough and then succumbing to its bile flamer shots. But we are still begginers and i wanted to get it all right. Next time i wont go as easy on him.

>>54151413
Your post was begging for attention.

>>54151439
You shouldn't shit on people because they're at early stages of painting skills.

>>54151439
>It begins

>>54151466
>feeling bad and rerolling the fight again
what

>>54151467
>You shouldn't shit on people because they're at early stages of painting skills
There is an age requirement on this site, though.

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>actual ranged space marine captain
>option to leave all melee weapons at home
Color me surprised. Raptors would be proud.

>>54151467
>>54151471
Or maybe you should, so they know not to be content with their current shit skills and try to get better, instead of coasting on 'BUT BUT MAH THREE COLOR MINIMUM' or 'MAH TABLE TOP QUALITY.
Or they just stop posting pics and inflicting their shit on us

Anyone got an idea why all command squads and such were broken up into various heroes and a small base unit, yet custodes' shield captain and vexila bearer are stuck with their mates? I mean, would it have killed GW to actually make the army playable?

>>54151479

I know, but i missed the -1 on the Powerfist or something like that so i decided to reroll the phase again, even though we had been playing very casually to get the basic rules down. I could of kept the result but it wouldn't have been in the nature of the game we were playing. Also the guy was being frustrated over how seeming powerful the Primaris guys were, even though they were really doing fuck all to the main Death Guard players (Lord, Notorious Blightbringer Ect)

Like i said when we both have a better understanding of the basics i won't go as easy though.

>>54151504
>Just one more wound and one more attack compared to their regular versions

That's not special or exciting at all. Now that characters are mostly about supporting the units around them, less about being beatsticks, going for the cheaper option seems more optimal.

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just been writing my own fluff about my warband, gotta say its quite fun. such a nerd

>>54151504
> plenty of options!- NuGW
> rules literally have only the options on the model
> not even allowed to swap for options on the various melee weapons lists, or change to a different force weapon
GW I really want to like you. Just.. why?

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>>54151504
>for the full rules see a book we haven't even teased at releasing in WC
I wonder how long until the good guys get their codex.

>>54151497
Being over the age of 20 does not bestow painting skills on a person.

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Sacristan model when?

>>54151520
So that everything with its own special rules gets a separate dataslate, I guess.

>>54151509
My favorite part is that's not even my army. Posting it is guaranteed replies. It's amazing what can trigger you fucks. This place truly is toxic.

>>54151570
Heh, that skeleton has tiddies.

>>54151368
A Necron Overlord and his posse vs a radical Ordo Xenos Inquisitor and a rag-tag band of assassins and degenerates (and also an Imperial Knight Crusader they picked up along the way)

The Inquisition stands victorious, managing to hold two of the four objectives and acheiving the Kingslayer and Linebreaker objectives. The Necron Overlord, meanwhile, held one objective and claimed First Blood.

Necron MVP: #1: The Cryptek who shepherded two hordes of warriors through the battle.

#2: Said warriors, who stood up against both an Eversor Assassin and the Knight stomping around on top of them.

Inqusition MVP: #1: A trio of arco-flagellants who, alongside their priest, mauled the Necron Overlord and claimed an objective.

#2: The Knight Crusader, for making almost all 5+ shield saves when under fire by enemy Heavy Destroyers, and surviving the battle with 15 wounds remaining.

Disappointments were the Heavy Destroyes (who rolled 1 for their d6 damage three times) and a Daemonhost (who decided to heal himself every turn and miss every shot before dying to overwatch fire).

>>54151504
But power swords are so cheap you might as well throw it on there anyway.

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>>54151334

Vostroyan backlog

>>54151601
All I see is charcoal lumps. What the fuck did you prime with, bumper guard?

>>54151324
In what meta? Your moms basement?
They are the same tier as in 7th as in 4th from the bottom.

>>54151570

There needs to be one, holy shit.

>>54151611

Black paint primer, you fool.

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>>54151334
Reporting in. Let's give those Xenos hell.

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Reminder there's literally nothing wrong with recasting your own bitz.

>>54151504
So a general Codex: Space Marines that includes Primaris is confirmed, there won't be a Codex: Primaris Marines.

>>54151643
>>54151601
>>54151334
Stop

>>54151654
I can't.

>>54151643
Again? Course this time you got necrons to fight!

Make sure nothing gets into close combat this time.

>>54151654
kek, stay mad

>>54151643
>goldnids
Ah yes, Hive Fleet Swag, scourge of so many systems.

>>54151689
>Necrons

>>54151504

I would kill for my Cannoness to be able to just go with decent ranged weapons.

Way too many HQs can't take much on that front.

>>54151643

>Vanquisher
Please fill me in on its performance.

Given Dark Imperium and all that, is there any chance at all of Lion being a traitor? Either "has always been" as some of the fallen claim or "doesn't like the spiritual liege" as a new thing? I always really liked the idea that the Dark Angels primarch had actually been a traitor, because it makes them more tragic and shit instead of just fucking crazy and stupid.

>>54151368

>Deldar vs Tau
>Deldar
>DE:
Squad of 10 bloodbrides with +1 strength, 3 hydra gauntlets and a power sword. They moved from squad to squad of fire warriors and path finders killing them all in a single round of fighting (after being softened up by shooting of course). They were so killy the succubus they were escorting never got to attack all game.
>Tau
I'd say one of his deepstriking crisis teams, was a bit to remove after it landed in cover and took out a ravager after he landed 5 markerlights on it.

>>54151504
Is the Librarian worth it do you reckon? For the powers?

I've never been bothered by the psychic phase and haven't paid any attention to the new rules

Lot of people fighting tau it seems.

>>54151719
Hurts things good. HITTING is the problem. Needs to be on commander+

>>54151728
No. Also
>because it makes them more tragic and shit instead of just fucking crazy and stupid.
ur a fgt.

>>54151368
>Necrons vs Space wolves
>Necrons
>MVP destroyers

-it was a slaughter
-Scarabs screen fire for the first turn and later made a physical barrier denying thunder wolf assault (he tried to go around them to get to my warriors).
-Triarch stalker marked all his rhinos one at a time and popped about one a turn starting with his bloodclaw unit.
-Destoyers mopped up his other armor.
-Without safe transport gauss flayers and My will be done buffed warriors scattered his infantry like leaves (AP-1 is apparently the breaking point for marines).
-small group of immortals with tesla carbines picking off dudes consistently
-one group gets dangerously close to assault range because of target saturation, but is assaulted with a ghost ark (locking them in combat and protecting warriors), next turn thanks to the fly rule I simply disengage and blow them away with more gauss.
-Monolith in reserve and unit of wraiths destroy his long fangs and tie down his artillery.
-rest of the army is wiped out in the press of my marching infantry and the wall of the monolith (with no longer any threat to oppose it).

Only lost 4 scarab models and 3 warriors who were probably coming back anyway thanks to the ghost ark next turn but he forfeit on turn 3.

Lessions learned, My will be done is fucking broken when paired with rerolls from stalker. Destroyers will literally dance around everything in the game and even basics make armor a joke. Everything I have is Imperial but -1 Ap just for laughs. Crytekhs are mandatory. I also need to play less seriously.

>>54151728
Going by the horus heresy novels (which seem to be the new canon), the Lion is definitely a loyalist. He's just a secretive, manipulative dick at the same time.

Iron Warriors Omnibus, good/bad?

>>54151784
Their insane paranoia is kind of redeemed if its made ironic by having the one thing they do trust and put their faith in failing to live up to their ideals.
>>54151823
>>54151783
I don't mean serving chaos, i more meant a pragmatic "the imperium isn't a great idea" kind of traitor. But yeah i guess it won't happen.

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>>54151368
A Necron Battalion against a Catachan force of a spearhead and vanguard. Basically trying to recreate an old edition, with straken and harker alongside Veterans and Leman Russes, against a well-balanced Necron list that leaned heavily on its troops.

The necrons wound up winning it, mostly because the Guard player couldn't roll above a 3+ to hit. Great for his vets. Not so much for russes or valkyries.

MVP was definitely the dice. Barring that, I'd say the MVP for the Necrons was the Ghost Ark that singlehandedly held one flank down, and the MVP for the Guard was the Sniper Squad that put 4 wounds onto an Overlord in one turn.

>>54151777

Also fought Death Guard as DE and tabled them turn 4, his MVP was his Knight that he mistakenly cast the -1 to hit spell on for two turns. Still only survived til my turn 3 even after he stole the initiative.

>>54151358
Because GW hates women and they are closet homosexuals

>>54151368
>Blood angels vs orks
>Blood angel victory
>Landraider Crusader for being an unkillable rapemachine

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>>54151334
I need a new picture and to start finishing up my paint jobs. I started a bunch of models but never quite finished them. I've been building and converting too much.
>>54151601
I got some backlog myself of 10. I just got one squad and some extras to make a Vostroyan vet squad.
>>54151643
Sup GGA.

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>>54151439
Like I give a shit what you think. My tanks are fine and clean, my big models look nice, it's my infantry that Im placing and taking off the table by the tens that only needs to look good from 3 feet away.
Hey look! They look normal from table height!
Abloobloobloo

>>54151713
Anon it's High Fleet Peanut Butter and Jelly get it right.
>>54151719
When it hits and wounds it's actually fairly good. It lets you reroll damage without using a command point which is where it really shines. Oddly enough it was more effective against Nids than armies with vehicles that I've played lately.

>>54151773
I think having something able to Deny the Witch is very useful, and Smite is always fine.

For the wych's no escape ability, what happens if both players roll the same number?

>>54151855
> That one immortal on the far left
> Is this nigga serious.jpg

>>54151896
>>54151334
Do none of you fucks believe in faces? What's with the faceless blobs with just a ugly ass wash?

>>54151899
Your shit looks fine man, at least you've got a fully painted army which is more than I can say.

>>54151291
Question: I already own a unit of Sicarian Infiltrators, and I just got another unit of them. But my first unit has Tasers/Flechette. Should I make the 2nd unit the same loadout, or give them Power Swords and Stub Carbines.

Keep in mind, they are now only 2 attacks a model.

>>54151509
you're a terrible human being and it would be better for everyone if you became anhero

>>54151952
I can't speak for everyone, but on certain models just using a wash over a skintone looks better for a low skill painter than any attempt at eyes.

>>54151899
Can't tell from lighting and blur but shit looks fine for tabletop? and honestly if you care more than that, I don't have words for that

>>54151982
But with pistols you can Dakka into combat.

>>54151957
Don't lie to the lad

>>54151952
kill yerself faggit

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Anyone have the compilation of quotes where Lorgar got told?

Looking to show someone as to why Lorgar is the absolute shittest

>>54151923
Read the 8 pages of core rules, for fucks sake.

>>54151923
>the enemy can only fall back if they win the roll off
well they didn't win, now did they.

Why is basic reading comprehension so hard for people.

>>54152046
In the event of a tie, you continue the rolloff until a winner is decided.

Why is basic reading comprehension so hard for you, in particular?

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Best models for converting Renegade Marauders? Scions seem the best place, but I'd need extra shotgun bits, and a way to make them look Roman.

>>54151996
Their dakka wasn't even that good m8, its only fucking S3. On a fragile unit.

I don't even understand the reason of the nerfbat, they already ripped out from their worth already.

>>54151996
Both Flechettes and Stub Carbines are Pistol. The difference is that Flechette's have 5 shots and Str 3, while Stubcarbines have 3 shots and Str 4.

>>54151999
That's what I was thinking. But on the other hand, a 10 man unit of Flechettes can pump out 50 shots, and still charge. Mulching Mechs is good and all, but your still only str4; your only wounding Meqs on a 4+. Meanwhile, your wounding Marines on 3+ with the taser, and wounding T3 on +2 with tasers.

>>54152067
Avil industires does both gladiator heads and a bunch of shotguns

>>54152012
Lorgar got btfo in a 1v1 by Gulliman didn't he? That alone is reason enough for him being shit. Gulliman is physically the weakest primarch

>>54151900

>lets you reroll damage
Even better, roll twice choose the highest result.

Is there a particular space marine kit with a lot of plasma guns? Not for primaris dudes, for normal size dudes.

>>54151509
>complains about army posting
>doesnt post his army
>probably doesnt even have an army to post

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Putting together an Italian-ish Guard Regiment (honestly, it's just because I wanted to make a lascarbine that looks like a beretta 38/42) but I'm trying come up with a decent name for them and their planets.

I've decided I want them to come from binary planets that orbit their star as a pair, with the outer hemispheres of each planet being volcanic industrial manufactora and the inner hemispheres of each planet facing each other to be more civilized and livable. Just having trouble naming them and their homeworlds and trying to figure out what their tactical themes would be compared to other regiments.

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>>54151509
Post your army anon

>>54152110
not that I can think of, but you can buy marine plasma guns in batches direct from gdubs and forge world though granted you will be paying a quid for each of them

>>54152137
A trash compactor.

Forge World is cancer in 8th edition.

>>54152012
Ferrus did it best.
>Knowing the spiteful thought was petty, Lorgar had sought to temper it. ‘One wonders if you are capable of making anything that creates, rather than destroys.’ He tried to smile, hoping it would rob the accusation of any venom as he stood uncomfortably in the heat blaring from the open furnace.
>Ferrus had cast a glance over his dark-skinned shoulder and watched his fey brother for a moment, not returning the smile. ‘One wonders if you are capable of creating anything worthwhile at all.’

>>54152171
Is forge world still OP? I haven't played against it yet but a guy with two decimators did win my local tourney last week

>>54152130
If you want to showcase their lasguns like a paratrooper's smg, maybe make your dudes orbital droptroopers like the Elysians.

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>setting up for battle against dark eldar
>he hands you this list and begins unpacking his models

How do you deal with THE FLOCK?

>>54152171
>assblasted poorfag

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>>54152176
Chaos fags BTFU

>>54151368
>Tyranids vs Eldar
>Carnifex 8
>One rounded the Avatar of Khaine

>>54152191
About 6 Immolation flamer?

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>>54152191

>>54152205
You can with beastmasters anon. Read the index.

>>54152231
bravo excellent comeback

>>54152144
Maan, i need a bunch of plasma or combi-plasma guns for my fallen. I guess i can give some of them combi and some of them plasma? To make a combi-plasma you just chop up a plasma pistol and glue it to a bolter right?

>>54152271
>tfw the imperium contracts out to elves for their Mary Sue resurrection services

>>54152231
>has transport that allow shooting from inside
>NPC
Pick one.

We all know NPC factions do not have access to proper transport that allow shooting from inside

>>54152231
>Gets absolutely steam rolled on the table
>"A-at least I'm not an NPC, r-right? Haha."

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>>54152012

>>54152231
Do you just fight other space marine players?

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How do I post my list in a non-cancer format?

>>54152307
You still haven't said how you would beat the flock of birds, outside a poor understanding of army composition rules getting you to improperly call the judge.

>>54152324
you dont

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>>54152180
But anon, the fw tau suits aren't that expensive.
Is £34 ($44) really that much money? It's even less than the ghostkeel.
Only the t'aunar and manta are retarded.

>>54152321
I think that's the case, probably because he doesn't want to lose to them.

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Was Titus a heretic?

>>54152324

MS word.
Put good art relevant to your faction in the background and make it transparent.

>>54152371
He's not even real, he's the captain of the second company.

>>54152371
Now this is a PC!

>>54152371
That depends entirely on whether or not we are fit to pass judgement on one of the Emperor's Angels of Death.

>>54152371
Considering Leandros didn't even bother contacting a Chaplain before the Inq, i'd say maybe

Being untouched by the warp is weird as shit, but no worth informing outsiders to the chapter

>>54152180
No. Money has nothing to do with it. The rules are straight up broken.

>>54152186
>still
It wasn't really OP before, but this edition with the half-assed hackjob they did with the indexes it ranges from literally unplayable to utterly game-breaking. Ban it ASAP if you want to enjoy 8th.

>>54152389
I don't know much about imperial stuff, don't you have access to a gun that fires 4 plasma (or melta) shots? Although that might just he Horus Heresy.

>>54152389
Another grav flux bombard.

>>54152404
Name some game breaking units in 8th

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How old can a human live in 40k? I know that Crawl lived for 10k but he's Ad Mech. There's juvenant treatments and stuff, plus stasis and weird warp time shit.

Is it possible for one of the initial Inquisitors from right after the heresy to still be around?

>>54151952
I have more fun building, doing mild conversions and playing than I do painting. I aim to paint at "Glaucoma quality" as I call it. Hold the model at arms length and squint. If it looks like it has color on it, you're good to go.

>>54152420
Stormraven.

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FOR MEDRENGARD

WE WILL DISMANTLE THE IMPERIUM, AND THEN HARNESSING THE POWER OF CHAOS, WE SHALL MAKE ALL REALMS UNDER CREATION BEND THE KNEE TO OUR WILL

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What do I do with the extra 25 points?


++ Supreme Command Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Dark Angels) [25 PL, 545pts] ++

+ HQ +

Company Master [5 PL, 110pts]: Combi-plasma, Relic blade

Company Master [5 PL, 110pts]: Combi-plasma, Relic blade

Company Master [5 PL, 110pts]: Combi-plasma, Relic blade

Company Master [5 PL, 110pts]: Combi-plasma, Relic blade

+ Dedicated Transport +

Drop Pod [5 PL, 105pts]: Storm bolter

++ Supreme Command Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Dark Angels) [20 PL, 440pts] ++

+ HQ +

Company Master [5 PL, 110pts]: Combi-plasma, Relic blade

Company Master [5 PL, 110pts]: Combi-plasma, Relic blade

Company Master [5 PL, 110pts]: Combi-plasma, Relic blade

Company Master [5 PL, 110pts]: Combi-plasma, Relic blade

++ Supreme Command Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Dark Angels) [15 PL, 330pts] ++

+ HQ +

Company Master [5 PL, 110pts]: Combi-plasma, Relic blade

Company Master [5 PL, 110pts]: Combi-plasma, Relic blade

Company Master [5 PL, 110pts]: Combi-plasma, Relic blade

++ Supreme Command Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Dark Angels) [15 PL, 330pts] ++

+ HQ +

Company Master [5 PL, 110pts]: Combi-plasma, Relic blade

Company Master [5 PL, 110pts]: Combi-plasma, Relic blade

Company Master [5 PL, 110pts]: Combi-plasma, Relic blade

++ Supreme Command Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Dark Angels) [15 PL, 330pts] ++

+ HQ +

Company Master [5 PL, 110pts]: Combi-plasma, Relic blade

Company Master [5 PL, 110pts]: Combi-plasma, Relic blade

Company Master [5 PL, 110pts]: Combi-plasma, Relic blade

++ Total: [90 PL, 1975pts] ++

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>>54152428
Isn't that what Greyfax is?

>>54152437
Might be, it should be useful to take out other mechanized units.

>>54152314
thats the one. thanks anon!

>>54152428
Moriana the Black who advised Abaddon was one of founders of Inquisition.

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Okay /tg/
Dubs decides one group in the 40k community that gets thrown out of helicopters, go

>>54152420
You can start with that grav-flux leviathan.

Literally anything with the Titanic keyword.

>>54151291
>slutra slutitarum
>slutperial guard

>>54152469
Tau

>>54152444
That's not forge world retard

>>54152468
>>54152460
So a determined mad cunt who's been after Crawl for 10k years for tech heresy would be possible?

>>54152469
All shitposters.

so are dreadnoughts with a fist and lascannon finally viable? I want one for my red scorpions I plan on doing

>>54152490
>inquisitors caring about tech heresy
>Not a Malagra
Do you even Mechanicum lore, faggot?

>>54152469
Imperials.

>>54152469
Probably all space marine players, both loyalist or traitor

>>54152493
Dreads have always been viable as punching gun platforms.

>>54152469
Jews

>>54152469
Spess Mahreens
>Make sure to toss them from orbit
>Of the sun

>>54152469
WAAC fags

>>54152270
I'm just getting FW versions (pretty much for the same reason) but I do only need 12 plasma guns so it's not quite as painful

>>54152469
People who don't recognize that we're all here to have a good time and it's best for everyone if every faction is well supported.

>>54152507
I'm trying to figure out the lore, it's why I'm asking. After all, heresy is heresy. Besides, I know there's an Ordo whose whole job is unfucking the paperwork and Crawl had to get his resources from somewhere.

>>54152493
Absolutely, but make it Venerable for the 2+ to hit and 6++ FnP

>>54152522
WTF.
Well, better toss the Eldar
>Jews without the pleasure of being partially human

Are the Primaris Lieutenants any good?

>>54152514
Like I said, I don't know imperial stuff.

>>54152539
Sorry bub, but the greater good prevailed. >>54152511

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ColdStar Commander w/TargetLock & Shield Generator x6 = 888 points.

Wtf do I with the other 1112 points ?

>>54152396
Still think Leandros listening to what the chaos dude had to say (it was just the sorcerer's word that Titus was abnormal) was a bigger heresy than anything Titus did. One of the basic rules of dealing with chaos is: the cunts lie, don't listen to them.

>>54152540
Okay well AdMech lore 101: they basically give no fucks at all about the Inquisition, most of the time. AdMech handle their own heresy with their own internal organizations.

Technically the Inquisition still has power over them, but it mostly only works that way on paper or when dealing with low-level tech-priests, and there is rarely a time when they would bother with that.

How do you guys set up games, do you contact a buddy over face book, or throw out an open invite on some other mass media site and just sit down at your lgs and just wait?

I want to go play, but if no one shows up, or they just had enough time to play one game with their friend then I'm just stuck waiting around the store until I decide to leave.

>>54152360

FW gonna sell tons in 8th if they keep their units slightly op relatively per faction

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>>54152478
All women in the guard are quality wholesome waifus, no sluts allowed

>>54151643
Yours are nice, i remember other pics
>>54151334
Bad infantry nice machines
>>54151899
>There's a lot of them so they don't need to look good
Anon, we just want you to have pretty models. Some will screech, some will yell. We all want the same thing, many anons with many many beautiful models.

>>54152428
Cawl having lived for ten millennia is extremely unusual, even for the Adeptus Mechanicus, and is yet another reason for his peers to be suspicious of him. Given his blatant disregard for certain AdMech doctrines, he has likely used forbidden xenos tech to extend his lifespan more than juvenat treatments alone could.

>>54152589
I was thinking that's why 10k years later he still can't nail Crawl.

>>54152551
>Jews
>Human
pick 1

>>54152590
That's why you bring your paints and stuff and work on your models while you're waiting.

>>54152469
(You)

>>54152585
thematically "marked" modest build > generic cowtits

>>54152614
I think realistically any inquisitor would have just given up on that and gone on to do other things.

How are the triumvirate units doing in 8th? Is The Visarch garbage or what?

>>54152585
T H I C C
H
I
C
C

How good are Grey Knights this edition?

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>>54152585
>disgusting cottage cheese ass

>>54152653
All smite all the time with no scatter deep strikes.

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>>54152640
Thus determined mad cunt, but if it's that unlikely I'll come up with a different idea. I just like the concept for a old as balls Inquisitor who is fucking furious with everything about the modern Imperium.

>>54152635
thanks m8

>>54152592
I'd go with siege drill, seems like a waste to have a walking tank focus on infantry as if they're heavy enough to kill it you don't want them in melee with it.

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Alright, this is the rapiest SM list I can make with the models at my disposal, while still adhering to fluff. What does everyone think?

>>54152321
Not him but there's only one guy in my store that isn't a SM bitch, he plays either Necron or SoB.
I'm the Chaos guy.
Is that normal? I'd love to play with some other xenos or i dunno, fucking ORKS

>>54152684
I should add that I went for the lowest unit count possible to ensure first turn.

>>54152668
No scatter deep strikes sound powerful for GKs, but isn't Smite less powerful for them since they can spam it?

>>54152603
You forgot this guy
>>54151896

>>54152698
I don't know what a grav flux does, but I assume it's anti tank. I'd go for the more sure melee over the unreliable number of melta shots myself.

>Mfw there actually exists WAAC fags
>Not making a fluffy as fuck army list

How do you even spend this kind of money on an army and not wanna make it fluffy as fuck? Hell even losing is fun so long as I get into character with my army and deployments.

>>54152728
It's one mortal wound, but when your whole army, including the dread, can cast it on a character that's like 6 mortal wounds right there.

Not to mention other psychic powers.

>>54152736
Why spend money on an army and not try to do the best you can with it? You can make fluff without having to pay a cent.

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>>54152736
This is exactly why I plan to own at least 6 Basilisk. Even if platforms are "more efficient" it's not the army I've had in my imagination.

>>54152469
/pol/ posters

>>54152758
I spend money on the models I think look cool, or have good modelling potential and I couldn't care less about how they perform on tabletop

>>54152753
Then yeah, run that and the drill and your dread is now a dedicated anti big and scary stuff thing.
It's also a giant pulsating bullseye, so watch out for that.

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>>54152768
Making Iron Warriors Basilisks myself

>>54152796
Also valid. Aesthetic and performance are two good reasons to buy shit, but just "making fluff" really isn't.

Why the fuck did they nerf starcannons? From decent for the price to overcosted garbage wtf?

>>54152753
it is only 18" range though. Granted you'll probably be within 18" by turn two but still

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Why do only white people play 40k?

>>54151718
You can take a combiplas or melta and just use it as a plasma/meltagun now.

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>>54152641
They're doing very well indeed, apparently.

>>54152849
Because we can afford it

>>54152831
I agree with this, I will build fluffy lore friendly lists but I will also build lists designed to rape you and all your family members
I hate when someone makes one of those lists and pretends it's another

>>54152849
im one of the nigger tier asaian races tho

>>54152849
There are a few chinks and spics in this thread. But to answer your question, only high IQ races can play a game that requires effort and basic maths skills.

>>54152849
there are a bunch of non whites at my lgs

>>54152585
Cellulite everywhere.

The beautiful and obese woman is a myth.

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>>54152878
>whites
>high IQ
>even using IQ as a measure

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>>54151334

>>54152849
dunno my group's about half and half (possibly even white minority depending on how you classify bubbles and balklanders)

I do live in liberalville though so meh

>>54152596
I kinda want sluts, mixed regiments should be paradise.

>kill xenos and heretics by day
>make sweet love to any number of fit gaurdswomen at night
>repeat

Only way to make it better is a female Commissar to kiss me before my eventual summary execution for impregnating half the regiment.

>>54152736
>"Fluffy" armies can't be tournament tier

The Purge, War Convo and Saim Hann from 7th edition say hello.

>>54152926
Is there a reason you rolled them in shit?

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>>54152954
Just because you're in he guard doesn't mean everyone will want your cock anon, unless you make a cute trap then you can be open to the entire mixed regiment

Been busy lately, haven't had too much time to work on the Chart. I did, however, manage to do my best to update stats for the FAQ.

Changes included:
Starcannons D:3->D:d3
Seraphim Hand Flamers from Pistols d6 to Pistols d3
Skitarii Infiltrators A reduced from 3 to 2
Scattered wargear option changes, like the Baal Predator now being allowed to take a Storm Bolter (I added a cost-calc line involving it)

If you see anything I missed, do please let me know!

Current project is still finishing the cost-calcs for the CSM.

>>54152849
>Has more money
>More thinking than doing
>Whites are naturally more creative than non whites

>>54152997
pretty much

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>>54152736
For tau waac is fluffy.
>The stoic Earth caste of Ke'lshan was almost forced to abandon its plans for developing the R'varna battlesuit due to the monumental cost of these new war engines. Instead Fio'O Ke'lshan Sho'Aun turned to the Ethereal Council's demands for improved stealth and infiltration units, appropriating resources intended for this project to create the initial prototype units under the guise of creating a new Stealth Suit. Renewed Tyranid attacks against the beleaguered sept world of Ke'lshan were to reveal O'Sho'aun's deception to the Council, as the trio of prototype units held back the savage host of organic nightmares that threatened to engulf the Sept's primary city

>>54152849
Nigs play yugioh
Normies play xwing and some magic
Magic has the younger demographic, plus sweaties and neckbeards
PP grabbed many of the 40k hater market
40k has been around long enough to have a wide range of players, most of which are more intelligent than those in other wargames. There are some exceptions naturally.

>>54152585
Hhnnngggg sauce

>>54152474

How about a 360pt unit laying down 12d6 4+ 300" S9 Ap -3 D d6 shots on turn one?

Anny advice for Tyranids army on 1000 counter Space marines?

>>54152995
My thoughts are that males were frontline and I got lucky.

>>54153020
Does Starcannon suck now?

>>54152954
How is impregnating half the regiment a bad thing? A self-reinforcing regiment could hold a planet indefinitely without needing to be relieved.

>>54152684

I prefer autocannon dreds to lascannon ones, but looks solid

>>54153075
It's a substantial hit. It of course doesn't mean much against lower-W enemies (W1 sees zero difference, W2 sees a drop from average D2 to average D 5/3), but larger W enemies, 3+ see a 33% reduction in damage output. For comparisons' sake, I added a pair of lines at the bottom of the damage calculations so you can see for yourself.

>>54153075
after that bullshit nerf it's hard to spend fucking 30 points on them. it's awful.

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What are 40k fags doing to celebrate America day?

>>54153064
The fuck is that ?

>>54152489
So I guess you'll have to ban the SM index as well :^)

>>54153124
>The fuck is that ?

manticore battery with 3 platforms

>>54153124
Does it hurt being this stupid?

>>54153123
Just chilling and drawing some Imperial Guardsmen

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Ok so legit question.
Besides 7ed WAAC faggotry why do you hate Tau? (If you do.)

>>54153158

I don't hate them but always felt they are a superfluous faction.

>>54153145
Show us, friend.
I hope theyre Peach color

>>54153158
They are poorly written Mary Sue's in the fluff

>>54153158
Tau-hate is pretty firmly ingrained from 7e, that's a stink that'll likely take at least half an edition to shake off. Beyond that, a lot of players feel that Tau just fundamentally don't fit in the 40k world. For much of their existence, they've been so small that it was weird they were even a playable faction, compared to everybody else on the block. They seem to have stupid levels of plot-armor and always come out on top because of reasons. The Imperium is hypothetically the way it is because it HAS to, in order to survive as long as it has. We haven't really seen the Tau having to make those sorts of sacrifices, which just makes the Imperium look stupid.

This is all from a Tau player, btw.

>>54153158
I don't hate them, just wondering when the grimdark will cockslap them. They do seem to get away with an awful lot for such a young, naive race.

>>54153133
3 Manticores deal 6D6 S10 AP-2 Dd3 shots, you are pretty far off here.

>>54153065
mmmm
3 max squad of termagauts
a couple tervigon..
Maybe a Trygon and some genestealer or some exocrine backfield

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>>54153158
Weeb bait disney tier goodguys, they don't fit into the universe.

>>54151368
My Thousand Sons vs Necrons, who won. MVP for me were the Scarab Occult Termies, mvp for Necrons were Lychguard, they locked each other up. The former caused tremendous damage, but the Lychguard kept reanimating.

>>54153158
>muh imperium
>muh HFY
>muh grimdark
>tau players are assholes
That's the gist of every single tau rant.

New attempt at JSC

Battalion Detachment +3CP (Imperium - Astra Militarum) [47 PL, 998pts]
HQ [15 PL, 251pts]
Colonel 'Iron Hand' Straken [5 PL, 90pts]
Commissar Yarrick [7 PL, 130pts]
Company Commander, Boltgun, Chainsword [3 PL, 31pts]
Troops [18 PL, 450pts]
50 Conscripts [6 PL, 150pts]
50 Conscripts [6 PL, 150pts]
50 Conscripts [6 PL, 150pts]
Elites [8 PL, 120pts]
Ministorum Priest, Bolt pistol, Storm bolter [3 PL, 39pts]
Commissar, Boltgun [2 PL, 31pts]
Sergeant Harker [3 PL, 50pts]
Heavy Support [9 PL, 216pts]
Heavy Weapons Squad, 3 Lascannon [3 PL, 72pts]
Heavy Weapons Squad, 3 Lascannon [3 PL, 72pts]
Heavy Weapons Squad, 3 Lascannon [3 PL, 72pts]

Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Tyranids - Genestealer Cults) [72 PL, 952pts]
HQ [8 PL, 152pts]
Primus, Bonesword [4 PL, 76pts]
Primus, Bonesword [4 PL, 76pts]
Elites [64 PL, 800pts]
20 Purestrain Genestealers, 20 Purestrain Talons [16 PL, 200pts]
20 Purestrain Genestealers, 20 Purestrain Talons [16 PL, 200pts]
20 Purestrain Genestealers, 20 Purestrain Talons [16 PL, 200pts]

>>54153158
I don't hate the Tau, I just usually can't think of anything I want to use them for.

>>54153123
Working, somebody has to.

>>54153231

Damn, missing 20 more Purestrain

>>54153231
Can you actually use special characters with GSC?

>>54151291
Am i correct when i say that combi weapons don't ahve the one shot limitation anymore and in fact you can both fire your boltrounds as well as the combiweapon?

>>54153250

Yep

>>54153123
eating beer

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>>54153229
>t. Tau player mad his army isn't op anymore

>>54153231
Your army need to share the same faction keyword across every detachment in matched play.

>>54153158
Because their naive thinking and that the grimdark hasnt hit them in the balls yet.

>>54153279

RTFM

>>54153250
Nothing says you can't, and it does allow you to take AM detachments. You heard it here first, literally every AM special character is a genestealer. Every. Single. One.

>>54152995
hawt

>>54153279
Except that you're wrong. Read GSC again.

>>54153251
I'm not assblasted, it's just funny.
Tau are the anti 40k anime army that tells grimdark to fuck off and I love them for that.
Fire warriors are raised from birth to be soldiers to they're like little blue spartans and that's cool.

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>>54153123
Drinking beer and painting Orks

>>54153245
Know that feeling, 2am to 10am today. Got lucky, usually have 10-12 hour days minimum. Yesterday was 14

>>54153277
its still more op than yours, gue'la.
Just wait ffor people to buy Commanxers and 9

>>54153158
Because they whine about being the worst despite still being top tier after nerfs

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What should I pick for Deff Dread?

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>>54153308
>Fire warriors
>spartans

>>54153158
I hate their lore.

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>>54153315
>>54153308
At least I can use proper grammar and spelling :^)

>>54153158
Sometimes I think that people mad about T'au didn't even bother to read their codex - le good guys meme is a proof

>>54153173
>>54153180
>>54153203
>>54153217
>>54153280
Fluff inconsistent with the rest of the universe seems to be the key point.

How could that be fixed?

>>54153038
its a wicked model

>>54153327
Pure melee, maybe a skorcha

>>54153307
Yhea my bad, never red the actual GSC rules actually.

I kinda want this for Chaos and Mechanicum now... Too bad GW hates dark mechanicum with so much passion they would rather make a kroot mercenaries expansion instead.

>>54153355
Retconning the Tau. Or at least Farsight and Friends.

>>54153355
Make them more Orwellian, their story with the vespids should be par for the course for what they do
Also have them actually loose a battle and it matter occasionally in the lore

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>>54153327
Killy, but i've been equipping mine with a combination of 3 Arms and a Skorcha/Big Shoota or 4 arms

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>>54153355

The squat way

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>>54153277
>anymore

>>54153332
Yeah yeah, eat plasma gue'la.

>>54153341
>old dio
ew

>>54153123
Gotta work later in the evening, gonna get home and drink some beer and have left over hotdogs at a friends BBQ before blowing stuff up.

>>54153355
Don't think there's a real way to fix their fluff to fit the setting. Unless they actively enslave the races that work for them Imperial style.

Tau should be kept the way they are, it's a different take on a setting where everything isnt all grimdark.

So DAngels is the way to go if you want a SM airforce? Models look dope.

What if you want a Heretic airforce?

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>>54151509
POST YER ARMY FELLA

>>54153355
make the ethereals totally evil and greedy, throw in some dealing with chaos shenanigans and tada
maybe make them almost get crushed by nids

>>54153355
>How could that be fixed?

Doesn't need to be.

>>54153387
>I, OVA DIO, am the only English dubbed DIO you need

>>54153407
>loyal DA

>>54153173
Ultramarines and (ward) grey knights say hi

>>54153217
>Not the army that literally fires shurikens

>>54153277
Tau are still top teir
WAAC faggots just can't spam riptides to win
How top teir are tau? So much that they already have to nerf shield drones.

>>54153251
>Can't into words
Reminder that all tau battlesuits are salt powered. Your tears only empower them.

>>54153367
>Muh grimdark
Yup, like clockwork

>>54153406
>get buttblasted
>attempt a /pol/ derail
Where did the battlesuits touch you anon?

>>54153379
>Yeah yeah, eat plasma gue'la.

Come and feed me!

Oh, wait, you have the slowest FTL in the galaxy

>>54153391
But everything being grimdark is the whole point of the setting. The franchise tagline is where the term comes from. Why would you want something not grimdarrk in 40k? Or more to the point, if you want something not grimdark why look in 40k?

>>54153427
>dub

>>54153106
Thanks mang. The only thing I think it might struggle against is horde armies, and only once the Fire Raptor dies.

>>54153437
>deflection
>deflection
>deflection
>deflection
>deflection
I'd really like to know the average IQ of a tau player

>>54153355
Don't, they are essentially mankind during their golden age of technology.

>>54153453
Because when you have something so bright in your dark setting, it gives it a more noble outlook.

Which makes it all the sweeter to snuff it out with hordes of rampaging aliens/humans. Or finding out that dark shit is hiding just behind the happy, let's work together mentalities. Farsight left for a reason as did the other Eight. The Etherals don't always give out everything.

>>54153440
>brings up socioeconomics when discussing 40k
It was riptide wing wasn't it?

I discovered how to play Custodes without HQ. You just put a commissar in the army list then use the rule that allows to deploy a unit not at full force - deploy 0 commissars instead of 1.

>>54153437
>Ultramarines and (ward) grey knights say hi
>I get all my opinions from 1d4chan because I cant form any of my own

>>54153453
I'll throw in a couple reasons, much as this never goes well. Firstly, whether one likes it or not the direction of the game has definitely been becoming more nobledark of late with its general themes, like giving humanity space marine marines and Gulliman. And secondly, having a race that isn't a complete piece of shit helps to show off just how awful everything else is. Its not like Tau are all jolly and happy; they're still a join-or-die empire that would be evil in any other setting, if it weren't for the fact the Imperium rarely even gives people the first option.

>>54153421

Well some of the ethereals were trying to get Farsight killed off. Another ethereal mind controlled some water caste waifu into suicide

>>54153538
>so anal-spread he can only meme
If only you lived in a decent place that actually cared about the lives of its citizens. They have the technology to fix that.

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>>54153485
>I only know one word
The absolute elegance of which your counterargument has displayed only furthers the deposition that those whom dislike the greatest glory of which the wondrous Tau Empire shines into your dark and dismal lives and homes.
Embrace us, or shun us from your shadows. The light is ours imperial, and none can take our beacon of truth away.

>>54153606

>Tips fedora

>>54153586
That's not a fair assessment of what happened. Chaos was involved.

>>54153421
About that, they neglect the eastern border.
To the point one engineer had to trick them to get the resources to make suits to save his planet.
Even then it's not like the tau are evil, at worse they are like Romans where they replace a culture with their own.

>>54153523
God damn, you're so smart.

>>54153512
Sure, but that's just subtler ways of being grimdark. Not that 40k is where I'd look for subtlety either, but still.

That anon said he wanted Tau to not be grimdark, not that they already were.

>>54153575
>M-making someone kill herself is totally not-evil guys! T'au need more edge, more!

>>54153622
I thought they let the races keep their culture, just do stuff for the greater good of the empire.

Like Persia.

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>>54153603
>life doesn't matter
That is why you lose.
But hey, maybe Robert Guirlymam will make the Imperium semi decent with his love of space elves.

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>>54153260
???

>>54153639
Didn't she reveal sensitive information to someone who wasn't supposed to learn if it?
I'm surprised her execution was that quick and painless.

>>54153680
blueberry genocide best day of my life

>>54153676
So pretty much most people's perception of how the Imperium acts?

>>54153676
>No, by evil we mean genocidal stalinist maniacs who go absolutely fucking berserk if things don't go their way.
There are implied genocides of alien races not willing to join Tau though.

>>54153700

No, didn't actually do anything but her student-equivalent did.

>>54153693

>brutha, i em thicc

>>54152819
it looks so grumpy

>>54153546
Those seem more valid. Can't say I care for them myself though.

Actually you know what might improve Tau for me? If they decided humanity's psychic tendencies made them as dangerous as Orks or Nids.

>>54153701
>admech
Go walk on lava again.

>>54153757
>I'm referring to genocide of even officers and whatnot.
Literally wiped races from the galaxy.

>>54153748
You cant reason with Orks or Nids. You can with humans

>>54153791
You can reason with Blood Axes and Freebooters.

>>54153757
That doesn't fly with their meritocracy though, a commander us a tried an tested combat veteran with years of experience.
Executing them is just too much a waste of a valuable asset.

>>54153791
That and humans breed stupidly fast, they can shore up the numbers.

>>54153791
Sure. But you can't reason them out of being prone to flooding a planet with daemons. It seems like it'd be pretty reasonable for them to decide humans are a liability the galaxy can ill afford.

>>54153158
I don't HATE them as such, but I feel they do too many things and get too much attention for it.

I'm an Admech player, and my faction's upside is absurd tech, absurd coordination and absurd scale when roused. We pay for that by being a bunch of callous, insane autists who can't work together for shit and have a habit of abandoning allies and stumbling into shit they have no chance against because OOH SHINY.

Then the Tau come along, and do tech better than us because Muh Progress, do social shit better than us because Muh Good Guys, somehow get magically enhanced coordination and perfect timing for plot purposes and ignore any problems related to timing, numbers or enemy weapons because otherwise they'd be "instantly destroyed because small empire", which is somehow an excuse to give them MORE attention and wins rather than less and a more cautious strategy. Also, the enemy is not allowed to use any superweapons or orbital bombardment or any personal gadgets because that would be unfair against the newbie race, and must resort to fighting them only on the size scale of infantry and suits, with the odd light Titan.

>>54153724
Whom they vouched for and brought to a super important meeting.

>>54153821
Reasoning is not the same as paying

>>54153822
>>54153848
Both good points, it would be interesting to see if/when the Tau are assaulted by Daemons and realize humans can purposefully or accidentally summon them they become wary, not having the tech to be able to detect which humans are dangerous or not

>>54153819
But why kill those whom you could subjugate?

>>54153709

The IoM is the way it is because they feel it's necessary for survival.

If the Tau believe their way is efficient enough for the same goal, it makes no sense that they would be equally grimderp.

>>54153606
>RPing with pseudointellectual garbage
Stop I can't handle this much cringe, someone just kill me

New race Farsight Chaos Enclave.
Riptide Defilers everywhere.
Bloodthirsters with Fusion Blades.

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>>54153260
guys
guys
don't dissapoint me guys

>>54153882
While I think you make a valid point, I think I just have to disagree with you. To the layman that just doesn't leave much difference between the Ethereals and your average asshole governor or general who will kill anyone if it vaguely serve's the Imperium's, or his, aims. If he steps out of line, the Inquisition will come knocking and have him replaced. The notion of "grimdark" in Tau comes from the orwellian nature to their own citizens, which even then is only because we put a human-centric view to it.

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>>54153929
soon

>>54153868
>>54153158

I will admit, I came up for an idea of a Forge War book, where the Traditionalist Admech rally a great armada and smash the Tau Empire with orbital firepower and landing expendable fighters on their worlds to fuck shit up before leaving, and attempting to draw away the Sept fleets. If that didn't happen so they couldn't Exterminatus the Sept Worlds, they'd lay siege and grind the bastards down at their isolated strongpoints. The campaign result would be to splinter the Tau Empire into five-ish chunks, two normal Tau but battered and bruised, two under Mech siege and one Farsight Enclaves attempting to do whatever, but also send Tau refugee fleets scattering across the galaxy and setting up wherever they think they'll be safe, to give them an excuse to meet and fight more people and have their viewpoints varied a bit from one homogenous mass to several individual Greater Good variants.

Just to make them more spread out and interesting, showcase a couple of their faction problems and provide My Dudes with a shamelessly self-promoting day in the limelight, although I did come up with a little short story about one of the Admech fleets being betrayed from a Radical Clade within them, who wanted the Tau planet saved from being glassed so they could yoinks and study their tech, as well as taking a chance to get one-up on their rivals.

Hence, Mechanicus fleet No. whatever is gutted of ground-deployment capabilities and heavily damaged when their main warship blasts their troop transports to smoking ruin and slugs it out with their brothers because MY PLANET REEEEEE rather than asking for a week to deal with things, which I thought was suitably Admech.

>>54153975
Idea was that the Mechanicus force starts out unifed, but when they think they've won and disabled the main Tau threats they start scrapping and screeching among themselves, not often with actual guns, but it means that the Tau still have half their empire left. Also provides an excuse for later Admech Schism book if Cawl notes the "senseless waste of resources" and steps in with his Radicals to fight the suddenly militant and sabre-rattling Traditionalists in a grab for power and intra-Admech Rep Points, since we already know he wants to be Fabricator General.

>>54153628
Just informing other custodes players. What have you contributed lately, faggot?

>>54153891
That's just going to lead to tau mecha psykers, immune to the perils of the warp as they channel the immaterium into dakka against the enemies of the greater good.
They'd also reach people about it and how to prevent it.
"Human, if you have this gift, then for the greater good you must master it. Let knowledge be your blade."

>>54153868
>being a bunch of callous, insane autists who can't work together for shit
>downsides

>>54153898
Kind of. No one decided to make the Imperium this way, least of all the Emperor. It's a whole host of things that seemed necessary at the time. 10,000 years of hotfixes have led them to this poin.

>>54153967
Oh right.
That's not what genocide means though but I get what you mean now.

A lot of Tau stories does hint at re-education for too questioning Tau individuals. Also of inquisitive people just "dissapearing".

>>54152191
ROBOTS, all the robots, and nothing but the robots

>>54154019
Is this dark crusade again?
That game wants you to hate them even if you win with them.

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>>54152507
There's an ordo just for cogboys.
Also pic related.

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>>54154040
Men of iron mk 2 when?
Sad part is they fit in perfectly.