You may not like it, but this is what peak paladin looks like.

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>>54148989

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>>54148989
>Paladin

Sure, sure, I'll be over here with my superior peak berserker.

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>>54148989

Blatant lies! Here's a true peak paladin and his cohort.

bumpi for Best Rider

>>54149042
>No squatting
What kind of Lawful is that?

>>54149092
Judging by the fact how the drawfag spelt "graal", I would think he knows much more about slav culture than you do.

>>54149014
Sam became such a mary sue as time wore on, also the discworld books got preachier?

>>54149042
the nike slav is wearing Adidas shoes

>>54149105
>also the discworld books got preachier?
And less funny.

>>54148989
Peak paladin is...being a little girl? OP, you're a fag!

>>54149229
>girl

HAH.

>>54148989
I like how large and perky her breasts are.

>>54149239
Shut the fuck up, /tg/. This incessant meme of misgendering all pics of cute girls is getting tired and even morose.

>>54149239
>>54149262
It's not, unfortunately.

>>54149272
Please see >>54149262.

>>54149272
>It's not

Explain, because it looks like that "guy" has large breasts and a feminine face.

>>54149229
>he hasn't read Orlando Furioso or the Carolingian cycle

Crossdressing for your heartbroken buddy and then fucking a trail of maids across France is what all CG paladins do, anon.

>>54149239
>>54149283
>>54149284
No anons, that "girl" is a fucking trap.

>>54149299
Prove it

>>54149299
Traps do not typically have extremely large breasts.

>>54148989
>__rider_of_black_fate_apo(...).png
>>54149229
>>54149304
>>54149324
Look it up. He got memed in another thread, he may be a bit of a meme in that franchise too.
>>54149288
If that was the actual reason for the character's depiction, I'd be impressed.

>>54149334
http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Rider_of_Black

Oh, shit. Looks like I owe you an apology.

However, I would like to point out OP is a fag.

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This is the apex of servants. You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.

Does /tg/ even like Fateshit?

>>54149602
Male Saber would've been so much better than Female Saber.

>>54149640
The game would have been otome trash then.

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>>54149105
I like fifth elephant and night watch. And most of thud. But yes, it got preachy.

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>>54149324
>>54149284
Those aren't breasts though.

>>54149648
This is an issue...?

will crossdressing help me smite heathens?

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>>54149640
Maybe, but without Original Saber, we never would have got Best Saber.

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>>54149602
Yes, I'm currently playing a Monk rip-off of Edmond Dantes in 5E.

Is this the Nasu thread? Fuck I guess mine is superfluous now

>>54148989
>peak paladin

Is that like hitting peak oil? Are we going to have year-over-year decreases in paladin thread frequency until they're all gone?

>>54150513
No, we've hit peak paladin, not peak paladin thread

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>>54150513
Makes sense. Think about it, how many crusades to take the Holy Land have been launched in the past 500 years? We went from once per decade to once per millennium. We need alternative, renewable sources of DEUS VULT.

>>54148989
His INT is too high to be a paladin.

>>54150630
He is literally one Charlemagne's twelve Paladins created the modern usage of the word.

>>54149027
I haven't been paying attention to Fate stuff, but this is supposed to be Kiyohime, right?

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>>54150678
It's simply her stage 4 ascension.

>>54148989
>canonically the weakest Paladin in Charlemagne's court
>peak paladin

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>>54149602
fate is just as you said, shit.

>>54150831
Fucking hell

>>54150831
>Anon puffs up with laughter

>>54149005
4chan was made for anime.

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Alright since the thred I made for this went nowhere

Have you ever run a game in the Nasu-verse or similar? Was it a grail war, was it mage shenanigans (considering the families are Mage's from White Wolf in all but name...)

Most Importantly: If George Washington was a Heroic Spirit, what would be his Class/Stats/Skills/NP. This is important, because reasons. What other figures from the Reneissance/Enlightenment could we turn into Heroic Spirits?

>>54150831
It's still missing Mysterious Heroine X (Alter)

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>>54150936
Napoleon hasn't shown up in the Nasuverse yet, but I think that at some point Jeanne mentions that Astolfo (the trap OP posted) looks a lot like him.

>>54150936
I like /fgog/'s dead writefags' take on Archer Washington. He can summon parts of the Continental Army at will and his Delaware Crossing lets him effortlessly pass into bounded fields like Achilles'.

>>54149014
Shut the fuck up Wayne.

>>54150936
Sorta. I was building a setting inspired by Drifters, rather than Fate, for 5e DnD. Heroic spirits summoned to a fantasy world where the big bad was basically the Beyonder from Marvel, except instead of testing Spiderman and friends for his own entertainment, it was the PCs.

One of the things I discovered was that people can get really fucking uppity about the personification of certain controversial figures. For example, it was insisted that Jefferson be classed as a barbarian because he allegedly kept raping his underage slaves, then sold their mixed children to others. I just used the stats for the common noble, rapier and all. That started trouble.

>>54151018
People need to learn to leave their fucking shit at the door

If they can't handle it, simply say, "this is not jefferson, but the idealized idea of jefferson as it exists in the common consciousness"

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>>54150831
>especially my son at the beach

>>54150990
Archer Washington would be a great idea, especially with battle continuation, since the fighting retreat was what he excelled at as well as logistics

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>fa/tg/uys get their hands on Fate
>they make it about actual historical figures with magical powers instead of a massive chuunifest where fun and KOORU always trumps facts
If you can't give me a Noble Phantasm with a name that would make Nasu himself cream his pants, you need to get out of this thread.

>>54150936
He would probably have extremely high Protection from Arrows, or some variant of it, and either A++ or EX rank luck, because fucking hell, no one should have been able to survive the stupid shit he did all the time.

The number of times that Washington by all rights should have been riddled with bullets, but miraculously wasn't, are practically uncountable.

>>54150831
Still missing
>altered alien me
>french me
>altered french me
>altered santa little girl french me
>roman me
>lovestruck roman me
>goddess of love roman me
>japanese me

>>54151149
The trend of taking a real historical figure and giving them super powers is pretty annoying for sure.

>>54151149
"Fine Ol' Solution" - NP where you just burn everything and anyone, but only those of a particular sociocultural background.

Obviously to be used by the Berserker, General Sherman of the Union Army. Inspired by his march on Georgia.

>>54151226
Those are Saberfaces, not Sabers! They're completely different lorewise! Completely different!

>>54150990
>>54151128
I feel like he should also have some conceptual bullshit that makes him better against monarchs.

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>>54151274
>they made arcueid a saberface

>>54151320
No, they made saber an arcueidface.

>>54149042
Can someone explain this to me? I'm retarded/autist/ dont understand the meme. I get they are slavs, just what is the while graal thing

>>54151320
Don't blame me, blame Takeuchi's inability to draw more any than three distinct female faces.

>>54151116
>>54150831

1( Saber I don't give a fuck how big your Sentai team is I am going to talk the shit out of your Son and your Beach Son. I will fight all of you to do it.

2( We all know you don't give a fuck.

>>54151149
Zulfiqar - Split Sword of Conquest

>>54151309

Honestly, not that weird anymore. In the mobile game Mordred's NP does bonus damage to all Arthur and Arthur-accessories.

>>54148989
Don't be silly. Galahad is the peak paladin-sue.

Astolfo didn't even ascend bodily into heaven.

>>54149159
The duality of man.

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>>54150990
>>54151128
George Washington
Archer
Neutral Good

>Stats
Strength: C
Endurance: B
Agility: C
Magical Energy: C
Luck: A+
Noble Phantasm: B

>Skills
Battle Continuation - B
Independent Action - B
Disengage - C
Charisma - B
Command of the Strategist - B
Mana Burst (Canon) - B
Military Tactics - C
Protection From Arrows - C
Strategy - B
Subversive Activities - C

>Unique Skill
Republican Revolution - This servant enjoys increased parameters when in opposition to an enemy that could fundamentally be percieved as a monarch, monarchy, or otherwise authoritarian ruler. Anti-King, Rank C

cont with NP's

>>54151149
>If you can't give me a Noble Phantasm with a name that would make Nasu himself cream his pants, you need to get out of this thread.

Assassin Yamato Takeru

Skills
>Wine Serving: Decreases single enemy's ATK (2 Turns)
>Rebel Crushing: Increases Star generation and Critical damage (2 turns)
>Serpent Strangulation: Increases Quick card effectiveness and Damage against dragons. (3 Turns)
>The Attendant's Assassination (Replaces Wine Serving): Decreases single enemy's ATK and DEF (3 Turns)

NP
>Kusanagi - The Borrowed Sword of Heavenly Winds: Deals heavy damage to one enemy, and light damage to all enemies. High chance of Burn on all enemies. Chance and damage of burn increases with Overcharge.

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>>54151149
>Noble Phantasms
Ever-Ready Patriotic Army of Citizen Soldiers: Anti Army Rank B

This noble phantasm summons forth the ghostly soldiers of the Continental Army, particularly the famous Minute Men who were said to be able to be roused for battle within mere moments. Each of these citizen soldiers is individually weak, but is empowered by the nations desire for freedom and self-governance. The soldiers wield mana firearms and man cannons that fire mana balls. Furthermore, due to his station as Commander in Chief, Washington may seize control of any military unit or asset related to or owned by the United States military. As a result, in his home country of the United States, Washington also has full access to the military power and hardware of that country. Including it's nuclear arsenal.

Historic Crossing of Boundaries: Anti-Fortress, Rank A

The embodiment of Washington's willingness to go anywhere and do anything in order to achieve victory for the Republic, this noble phantasm represents his ability to overcome any fortification or impediment to his war be it physical, pyschological, moral or spiritual. Historically, Washington recklessly crossed the ice filled Delaware river in the middle of the night on Christmas eve to slaughter his enemies in their sleep. In that spirit, this Noble Phantasm allows Washington and his forces to cross any boundary. Castles, Walls, Fortress Noble Phantasms, and even reality marbles are no impediment to Washington's Crossing. However, this Phantasm has one key limitation - it can only be used offensively. Once Washington has crossed the Delaware, he cannot retreat by means of this ability. He must seize victory or death.

>>54151553
>>54151565
This is a kickass Servant writeup.

>>54150871
4chan was a mistake.

>>54151565
>Furthermore, due to his station as Commander in Chief, Washington may seize control of any military unit or asset related to or owned by the United States military

>be carrier dude
>inna japan, having shore leave
>motherfucking Washington shows up and steals the ship
>I've passed a law outlawing Japan we begin bombing in five minutes

Man, Fuyuki Grail Wars with him are the pinnacle of international incident.

>>54149640
Saber (male) would be shit. People judge men and women differently for the same behavior, and no amount of "feminist" preaching and double-think will change that. Pretty much all of Saber character in F/SN and F/Z is, at least partially, predicated on her inner dilemma of being torn between an eternally adolescent girl and the Platonic ideal of an Arthurian king. Take that away, and Saber is just a whiny, limp-wristed faggot.

If you want to do Saber (male) right, you have to completely redo Shirou, Rin, and Sakura, and I really doubt that there's anything to be done with Saber (male) that's worth throwing away all of Shirou (and don't pretend that there's anything of note that could be salvaged from Shirou if making an Otome protag).

>>54151642
Don't worry, the Church will cover it all up.

Somehow.

>>54151642
Honestly the US base in Japan was what I had in mind when I wrote that (as well as their military presence around the world) since it's a general rule they don't allow Servants in their home country for fairness sakes.

Incidentally Washington is the ONLY historical american figure I can see having enough myth belief behind him to overcome the late age he was born in (besides Benjamin Franklin) so i'm not sure why Nasu went for fucking stupid ass Edison over Washington to be empowered by all of America's presidents.

American Servants i'd pick out would be Washington, Franklin, Geronimo, Crazy Horse, Pecos Bill, John Henry, and Paul Bunyan.

Also possibly Walt Disney for extra san roll inducing horror

>>54151642

And then Roland shows up and cleaves it in two.

>>54151763
>i'm not sure why Nasu went for fucking stupid ass Edison over Washington to be empowered by all of America's presidents.
Nasu doesn't really like America.

>>54151771
True, but by then Washington has already withdrawn to rouse the 3rd Marine Expeditionary force and the 130 USAF Jets in Misawa and Kadena. While all this chaos is going on the Continental Army fortifies Mt. Tennozan and begins bombardment of Kyoto

What would Berserker Ned Kelly's Noble Phantasm be?

How powerful would Teddy Roosevelt be if he became a Servant?

>>54151860
>"What makes Ned a legend is not that everyone sees him the same—it's that everyone sees him. Like a bushfire on the horizon casting its red glow into the night." - Martin Flannagan

Last Bushfire of the Lawless Outback
Anti-Army (Self)
Rank: A+

An advanced form of battle continuation, this ability allows Ned Kelley to fight on and function long past sustaining injuries that should reasonably have resulted in their death. Simply put, as long as Ned Kelly is able to fight (IE, not dismembered or obliterated), he will continue to live until he is completely or utterly put down.

Incidentally Ned Kelly could be Berserker, Archer, or Avenger

>>54151891
Weak. Teddy lived in an era with too little magic. He'd probably be folded into Washington's power, since Washington is the Primogenitor President

>>54151966
>Anti-Army (Self)

That's a strange NP classification. I'm not sure I quite get it.

So basically, if he deploys his Noble Phantasm, he can't be defeated unless you cut him apart or disintegrate him, right?

>>54152037
Any NP with the self tag means that the NP is used on the self. In this case Neds con buff

He can be defeated, just not killed. You could still say, beat the shit out of him and take him prisoner, but that's pretty impractical to do to a servant.

Friendly reminder Kelly SURVIVED his standoff with the police and was tried and hung, and his last words were basically "oh well"

>>54151642
And he looks like that >>54151565 because the most well known legend about him is him chopping down a cherry tree when he was a kid.

>>54152076
The Self part I got, it was the Anti-Army part I didn't understand.

>>54152115
It seemed the most applicable since an individual HS is probably going to be quite able to cut someone to peices or blow them apart.

>>54152102
I prefer bishie Washington to shota Washington

Unless we claim Washington was secretly a girl

And then give her a seiba face

>>54152133
>>54152076
>>54152037
Amusingly enough this would make Need Kelly immune to Chulainns 'sure kill' NP Gae Bolg

Cu cannot catch a break

>>54152133
Huh... Doesn't that make this NP kind of useless then?

>>54151623
You're not wrong, but he has a point.

>>54152167
He's a modern age Servant, what do you expect. He's going to be inherently weaker. Also >>54152165

>>54152165

Stabbing him in the heart might not work, but blowing him the fuck up with the thrown version looks like it might work.

>Assassin: Timothy Murphy, Frontiersman

>A soldier of the Continental Army, Assassin's greatest achievement was the killing of General Fraser and Sir Francis Clerke during the Saratoga campaign. However, due to the smallness of his myth, he has been partially subsumed by the greater myth of the American Frontiersman, which he was in life, granting him increased Presence Concealment and [insert wilderness-related skill.

Four Shots at Saratoga - It Is Necessary He Should Die, Do Your Duty
Anti-Master
Rank C+

The manifestation of Assassin's sole heroic feat, this Noble Phantasm consists of the act of firing four shots, as he did at Saratoga. The first shot will miss the target, and grant the target awareness of the functioning of the Noble Phantasm. The second will graze the target. The third will seriously wound the target, risking death even with medical attention. The fourth will kill the target instantly. If Assassin is injured during firing, the Noble Phantasm becomes inactive.

>>54151149
SGM Mike Vining.

>>54152198
But if you summon him as Berserker, he'd get a boost to all his stats.

>>54152275
It's a neat idea but your write up even concludes the myth is too small. He would likely be absorbed into a more larger than life Frontiersman figure, like Bowie or Crockett

>>54151763
>so i'm not sure why Nasu went for fucking stupid ass Edison over Washington to be empowered by all of America's presidents.
Edison was seen as an innovator, thus the things he did changed human society.

>>54151763
Geronimo is a servant in FGO

>>54152325
Edison should be subsumed into Franklin. In fact, one second

>>54152318
Collective amalgamation Servants are usually pretty weird.

Just imagine what a Servant based on EVERY SINGLE Unknown Soldier throughout history would be like.

>>54152325
>>54151763

Also, kind of the point of FGO is that shit's a little fucked up in the universe which is why you can get quite so many weird variants on Servants and people who shouldn't even be counted as heroes (Like some Divine Spirits) being summoned up.

For instance, under normal circumstances Scathach should not be summonable because she's an immortal and thus still alive in a regular nasuverse continuity but can be summoned in FGO (when they release her goddammit) because the timestream has been fuckled.

>>54151763
I'd add in The Zodiac, but do some fuckery that made him into the personification of all American serial killers.

Benedict Arnold Lily

>expect traitor
>get loyal american

Man, a grail war is an amazing concept, but there's no real way to simulate it effectively, either through video games or TTRPGs.

>>54152426
I'm glad they finally explained what they whole "Lily" thing meant, and it's much less silly than other directions they could have gone with it, which is note what I expect from Type-Moon.

>>54152459
>but there's no real way to simulate it effectively
Especially if you want to have a proper, bullshit Nasu-type one, where the facts don't match reality half the time.

>>54152473
Wait, they explained that? What does it mean?

>>54151553
Why the dickfuck does he have so many godsamn skills

>>54152494
Younger and less experienced versions of the Servant

>>54151553
>berseker crushington when?

>>54152513
Huh? What, so at any time when summoning a servant, you could accidentally get the Lily version?

>>54151685
is confrontation with his future self heroic spirit ?

>>54152494
It's basically a younger version of the servant.
Arturia Lily is from her time Traveling around with Kay and Merlin after pulling out Caliburn but before assuming the Throne.
Medea Lily is from before she met Jason.

>>54152459

>either through video games

I mean, I'd argue it isn't simulated in video games, it IS video games; both the original VN and then several later actual serious games - though most of the ones with series gameplay don't use the Fuyuki system.

>or TTRPGs.

Man, don't I know it. I have several players who know some things about Fate and would probably play and I'm a huge sucker for history and mythology but it's such a pain in the ass to put a mechanical framework on even with all the obvious tabletop/vidya influences in the fiction.

>>54152399
Special Quality for American Heroic Spirits - E Pluribus Unum

Written upon the Seal of the united states itself is this phase: out of many, one. Born too late as a nation to accrue the many myths and legends of older cultures, and in an era with a weakened Mana sphere, America never the less has a rich history of folk tales and myth. As a result, America's Heroic Spirits tend to be analgamations of various individuals predicated on American IDEALS and mythology, rather than on any one individual human figure. As a result, their forms and abilities may vary slightly, but they are all born from the same root. They are:

>Myth of the American Founder/Leader
May be summoned as George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Teddy Roosevelt, various founding fathers and US presidents

>Myth of the American Innovator
May be summoned as Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Edison, Oppenheimer, Henry Ford, etc various famous inventors or creators

>Myth of the American Military
May be summoned as Washington, Patton, various famous generals, Maddog Mathis

>Myth of the American Frontiersman
Bowie, Crockett, Paul Bunyan, various other real and fake figures

>Myth of the American Cowboy
Billy the Kid, Wild Bill, Doc Holiday, etc

Any myth/archetypes I missed? This let's anon have their cake and eat it. There's really only X number of heroic spirits, but they take different shapes and draw from a general mythos. As a result their Noble Phantasms tend to be weaker but they have a wider variety of skills and traits.

>>54152494
Young idealist version, before the bad parts of their life. So you couldn't have Herc Lily as Berzerker maybe.

>>54152574
or dericious shota alex

>>54152572
Citizen-Soldier?

http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Lily_Servants

>>54152604
I feel like that's covered in the myth of the American Military. Incidentally Washington fits into almost all of these categories making him the de facto strongest American HS probably

Simply put, Washington IS america

>>54152544
Some high weirdness during a Christmas event ended up summoning a Lily version of Jeanne Alter that ended in a frantic conspiracy to give her even a slight connection to the originals legend so that she could continue to exist.

>>54152643
And now she is "Jeanne d'Arc Alter Santa Lily"!

>>54152574

Herc (lily or no) without his Zerking as probably an Archer would be pretty scary. All that power in a guy clever enough to solve some of his labors who's still strong enough to choke a lion to death.

Though I don't think anybody other than the Einzbern can actually afford to pay the mana on God Hand.

>>54152633
>not Truman-sama

>>54152687
>Not Abraham Lincoln who wields an axe and gets a bonus vs undead

>>54152675
Just imagine Odysseus' men begging their leader to apologize to the Gods while he just continues to outwit their punishments.

>>54152675
It depends on how much you're willing to sacrifice ultimately

>>54152745
Speaking of Ody, wouldn't he make a pretty good Rider?

>>54152572
>Myth of the American Oppressed
Geronimo, Harriet Tubman, Sitting Bull, Crazy Horse, John Henry,

>>54152715
that was a better movie than it should have been

>>54152756
He would, as well as Archer

>>54152745
Some Trojan War Servants would be pretty hard to work with.

>Paris is tasked to liberate his Aunt
>takes Hellen instead
>before going home, he goes around having grand adventures and comes back with a wife and a bunch of ships

>Rider Jason can summon the Argo and the Argonauts
>Including Hercules

Get blown the fuck out, Alexander
You got your army, Jason has the fucking Avengers

>>54152633
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l7iVsdRbhnc

>>54152809
My bro Hector tho

Best paladin before that concept even existed

>>54152813
Pieces of the Argo are incredibly valuable catalysts, since like fragments of the round table, they can summon heroic spirits from an infamous mythological group. In this case, the Argonauts.

>>54152633
Technically, NOBODY is allowed to outrank Washington

>>54152756

He'd be capable as either a rider or an archer - he was famous for his bow which only he could string. Different NP form depending. Archers are sneakier classes generally which fits his cleverness though.

He'd need a disguise or presence concealment skill regardless. And also probably a low key version of Love Spot because every mediterranean woman he runs into wants to bang him even though he just wants to get home to see his wife, his son and his dog.

The FGO weapon triangle also works if he's an Archer and thus weak to Lancers

>>54152841
Right, they made him America's first and only six star general so no one could ever have more

>>54152874
>spoiler

yamero

>>54152874
I feel his Trojan Horse gambit ought to be factored in somehow.

>>54152899
? I don't recall Odysseus ever getting Mercd the story just kind of ended when he got home

>>54152905
Probably his noble phantasm. Remember Caster Cu literally summons a giant burning whickerman and drops it on people

>>54152905

Probably be an NP. Summon a giant wooden horse which is really tough or reverse-taunts or something (you don't want to destroy a gift, now do you?) and then it explodes into fire and angry Achaeans.

>>54152633
It's the distinction between the generals and the men.

>>54152675
IIRC Archer Herc is pretty much Serious Gil tier.

>>54152945

There's a lost epic called Telegony which covers Odysseus post-war years. His son by Circe, Telegonus, is looking for his dad but also has no sense of direction and attacks Ithaca by mistake, and stabs Ody with a sting-ray spear.

Then he scarpers with Penelope and Telemachus back to Circe's island where Circe marries Telemachus and Telegonus marries Penelope.

>>54152550
Once you strip out all of Shirou's hero idolatry, the Archer-Shirou interaction is empty. Plus, Archer's fate is inherently highly masculine.

>>54152905
An Odysseus Assassin I once had possessed the ability to use the Trojan Horse Gambit on anyone and anything

So he'd lead you into a seemingly empty fighting arena, only for hoplites to pour out of literally everything and everything

>>54153045
He could just as easily worship male Saber

Plus, Arthur (Prototype) is different than Arturia (F/SN) in a lot of ways. They're not just genderbent copies

You know, the one class I just don't grasp is Rider. Every other class is defined by their mode of combat. Sabers attack with swords, lancers with spears, archers used range weapons, assassins specialize in sneak attacks, berserkers attack in a berserk fury, and casters use magic in combat.

Riders... Ride stuff?

>>54153110
Riders are the Servant class that specializes in Command, whether that Command is one of Armies or of some really sick mount

>>54153117
So not just mounted warriors, but great generals and commanders are Riders?

>>54153069
>>54152961
I see it as more of a conceptual thing, where the "Trojan Horse" is Odysseys capabilities as a liar and lets him get you to accept things that seem good but are terrible for you provided you make the mistake of listening to what he has to say.

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>>54153117
So why aren't they called Commanders then?

>>54153085
>male Shirou
>male Saber
Does not compute.

You're right that Saber and Saber (male) are quite different, but that's my point. You can't just slap the male into Fate/Stay Night, and that means you can't just claim that Saber would be better as Saber (male).

>>54153146

In most cases though, i think the NP is supposed to be or have association with a physical item which embodies the legend of the Heroic Spirit. Odysseus is well known for the Trojan Horse (so much so we use "Trojan" as a shorthand for computer exploits) that I think by normal rules it would totally involve an actual wooden horse.

Though the concept of a kind of reverse reality marble where instead of sucking you into his personal world he can just show up in reality out of nowhere with some angry greek soldiers is also pretty baller.

>>54153045
how so ?
why a girl wouldn't be wishing to sacrifice herself for the sake of world peace ? that actually sound more feminine than masculine

>>54153166
t. anon that doesnt get aesthetic

>>54153196
But it's easily done and I just did

>>54153242
If it was all aesthetic they should have just fucking called Assassin class "Killer."

>>54153233
>sacrificing yourself for society
>feminine instead of masculine
Are you pretending to be retarded?

>>54153270
except killers aren't stealthy you absolute bitch

so they should be called sneakers

>>54153294
No, sneakers doesn't capture the essence of the assassination attack the class represents. It's clearly a moment of killing, so they should be called Killers.

>>54153270
>>54153294
you're both fucking retarded

the results of the American school system ladies and gentlemen. happy 4th

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>>54153270

>>54153339
king hassan tho

>>54153336
>Assuming I'm from America

Come on now.

>>54153336
this bitch is just mad cause he never summoned some air jordans

>be a Mage Association magus of highest breeding, selected as a master for the Holy Grail War
>family has been preparing for this for decades, carefully selecting a catalyst to summon a high caliber servant of pedigree, like a Classical one or a Knight of the Round, a Saber or Lancer
>The ground is prepared, the family bought out an old hotel and is putting parts of it "under renovation" to use as a fortress
>Got a sweet penthouse workshop, teams of homunculi servants, familiars roaming the halls, the works.
>Only downside is you have to bang your own sister to keep the magic circuits up but w/e
>Just gonna kick back and let the war come to you.

>A few days in there's a knock at the door
>You didn't order room service
>Open it up, it's a slightly weatherbeaten and grizzled waiter, he says "Complements of the Chef, sir"
>Well, can't be all bad, take the cart, pull the top off the tray
>IT WAS HOPLITES
>THE WAITER WAS ODYSSEUS WHO IS NOW SHOOTING YOUR SERVANT WITH A LOT OF ARROWS
>His master is the punk-ass "spare" everyman with like no magical talent that the grail picked to fill out the ranks - how on earth did a beleaguered and somewhat clever but otherwise normal guy pull a high level servant like that? It's like he has the favor of god or something
>get stabbed by hoplites, Servant is gonna run out of mana
>Nomag hillbilly steals your sister-wife and escapes into the night on a wooden horse while Odysseus taunts you

>>54153393
Oy oy oy, you can't just fucking greentext it like that without specifying what servant the first magus summoned. Without a servant, how the hell did he get targeted by Ody in the first place?

>>54153393
wooden motorcycle

>>54153110
Bro, you clearly don't get Fate.

Saber class if for Saber. That's why they call it Saber class.

Archer is for people that use swords but aren't Saber. Gilgamesh? Shoots swords and has a sword Noble Phantasm. Emiya fights in CC with swords.

Lancer is for people with spears, super high agility, and terrible master compatibility. It would be difficult to devise a worse Master-Servant pairing than Diarmuid and Hot Wheels.

Assassin is supposed to be for Assassin. Like Saber, the class is named for the Servant. Fake Assassins summoned by other servants need not reply.

Caster is for servants with excellent Master-Servant compatibility. If you ever get into a Grail War, just summon Caster and immediately fuck off to the other end of the world. In fact, isn't this what happened int he 3rd HGW?

Berserkers are for people that are clearly not intended to win the HGW. Summoning this one guarantees that you won't be the victor.

Rider is for servants that are all around total bros.

>>54153393
>assuming being a chad isnt magic

>>54152421
>Zodiac killer
>becomes a servant in his afterlife
Heh

>>54153339

Shut up Hassan, nobody likes [that hassan]. It's all about Sasaki Kojiro and Carmilla.

And then later King Hassan and Hassan of Serenity

>>54153372
Grand Order is the best thing to ever happen to the Hassans.

>>54153434
>Caster is for servants with excellent Master-Servant compatibility
>Medea geeked her original Master

>>54153117
Bullshit, a lot of Riders are commanders for one reason or another. Probably because horses, chariots, and vessels have historically been associated with the rich and powerful. But it is by no means the nature of the class. Look at the OG Rider from Stay Night. A hermit rape victim who lived with and was bullied by her two sisters.

>>54153434

>Rider is for servants that are all around total bros.

Fuck-buddies, please Anon. What do you think I'm doing with Medusa in MyRoom all the time?

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speaking of Fate, we actually tried to run a party
the idea was that the players would play mage teaming up and sharing the command seals, while the servant was controlled by the DM (DMPC, i know)
after the two players made their characters, i had them find a REAL object tu use as a catalyst to summon their heroic spirit, using internet and in less than a hour.
would they not be able to find a catalyst, i would have give them a random heroic spirit.
They always had the possibility to summon hassan y sabbah, and could force the heroic spirit to take the berserker class (if available). If not, the class of the hero was chose randomly between the class he could be
the hard part of this was that i had to made up the stats, noble phantasm and other on the spot

pic is the catalyst they used to summon Richard Lionheart, and as Saber those lucky gitz

Best Servants for side characters?

>>54153481
>"real" master
>never even shows up in the VN

>>54153515
>not francis drake

>>54153393
What would be Odysseus wish be, to get home to his wife and son now or make it so the Trojan war didn't happen so he'd never have had to leave his wife and son?

>>54153534
berserkah

>>54153284
sacrificing oneself for others is a what a mother do
and it's not like there isn't a precedent, see boadicea, cleopatra or jeanne d'arc

>>54149673

So the middle one is "me", the "altered me" is the one of the far left? The "past me" is the one in the middle left, the "theoretical me" is on the furthest right?, the "alien me" is the one of the center right and "my son" is the trap on the middle far right?

>>54153515
>>54153537
>Not Iskander

Couple of faggots right here.

>>54153569
No. And Saber's son is a girl.

>>54153581
il meloi plz,

he has a penis

>>54149334
>If that was the actual reason for the character's depiction, I'd be impressed.

It is.

Astolfo is famous for being a cross-dressing twink who could easily pass himself off as a girl. So, in Type Moon, he is a trap.

>>54153569

Assuming I get the references correctly, from left to right its:

Lancer (Alter) (theoretical), Saber Lily (past), Blue Saber (original), Saber Alter (altered), Mordred (son) and "Mysterious Heroine X" (alien).

This also isn't even all the Sabers, let alone Saberfaces.

Needs "me at the beach", "divine me", "altered me as Santa" and "evil alien me"

>>54153669
don't forget evil theoretical her.

>>54153669
>Needs "me at the beach", "divine me", "altered me as Santa" and "evil alien me"
Most of those except the "evil alein me" are in this one >>54150831

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>>54153688

The one shown is actually the Alter lancer, the regular Lancer looks like so, which I called "Divine Me" because she wields a holy lance and is classed as a Divine Spirit.

>>54153494
And she commanded the pegasus

>>54153694

And that'll out of date all too soon. Ayako Kawasumi won't stop until she's voice a Saber of every class.

>>54153720
Yes, we call that "having a mount" or you know, "something you ride on".

Although canonically being really good at riding people sexually qualifies as well (see Medb).

>>54153758

Technically I think Medb just confirms the long-standing joke that the Riding skill (which isn't exclusive to Riders, they're just usually the best at it) applies to sex.

>>54148989
Why does he wear the dress?

>>54153804
>>54153758

There's also the implication with Anne Bonney and Mary Read riding each other, since they never actually owned a single mount, they just served on a ship (which they don't even get for an NP).

>>54153838
Blackbeard is also a Rider though. I think it's natural for Pirate Captains to be Riders.

>>54152675

It says a lot that even with all the "what if"s of FGO, they have never made Heracles anything other than his normal Berserker state (aside from his current super berserker form that just came out). It's almost like they don't want to make Tadahisa Saizen give him a normal speaking voice outside of when he died to Saber.

>>54153566
>implying mothers go to war to sacrifice for country/tribe/family.

>>54153872
Oh it very much is, but Anne Bonney and Mary Read weren't captains. They were just notorious crew members on a ship.

>>54153805
The dress is canon oddly enough.

>>54153880
Strange/Fake has him as an Archer

>>54153951

Really? Wonder why that was never added to FGO

>>54153712
big fat tiddies

>>54153972

It probably will be sometime. If Strange/Fake gets an anime or OVA or something for sure.

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>>54153972
There's an agreement with the author not to put any Strange Fake servants into F/GO until its done. The author got really pissed over both Edison and Enkidu being added to F/GO as it is. The excuse for the use of both of them is because Strange Fake Edison is a berserker and extremely different from Caster Edison (though that is where the lion head idea came from) and Enkidu is almost sorta from other franchises by virtue of Gilgamesh going on about him all the time.

>>54154010
God willing. I want Fake Jack, Pale Rider. and the nameless Hassan.

>>54154077

Also now, god willing that Apocrypha has an anime there will be a crossover event which can get the few servants which aren't already in the game like Avicebron and Semiramis.

(And also I pray has Mordred Rate Ups)

>>54154135
>brodred rate ups

this plz

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>>54154135
I think they already data mined a line addressing Avicebron, so I think its all but confirmed their on their way. I'm betting we won't get an event until the anime is wrapping up though, so as to avoid spoilers.

>>54153951
I thought that Strange/Fake was just weirdo servants in a broken ritual, so I looked it up and WOW. I didn't think it was possible to turn that into an even bigger clusterfuck but mages have exceeded my expectations yet again.

>>54154135
Maybe Siegfried will stop being terrible.
Probably not

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>>54154291
Mages being huge fuck ups that ruin everything is my favorite running gag of the Fate franchise.

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>>54154291
They gave us Fake Hassan though, so their idiocy can be forgiven for the delicious muslim waifu that we got from it.

>>54154351

Sumanai.

>>54152412
/k/?

>>54154351
b-but he pretty and edgy

he is truly best four star trash

>>54153737
And considering that one of Arthur's legendary weapons was a dagger that could shroud the user in shadow, and was used by him to slay the witch Orddu daughter of Orwen, Arturia could straight up be Assassin class if they really wanted her to be.

>>54152893
Pershing actually earned the rank while alive. Washington got promoted in the 1970s backdated to July 4, 1776 to make sure he had seniority over Pershing.

>>54154464
>Furry: rank EX+++

>>54154487
I really wish they had gone that route and left Mysterious Heroine X as an April Fools joke.
Or made her a Berserker, since I can't think of any part of King Arthur's legend that would fit that off the top of my head, and then they wouldn't have had to make MHX (Alter) to fit that tole.

>>54154567
MHX is a meme Servant.

>>54154567
I still expect a joke Saber Lion (Berserker) at some point.

>>54154586
Yeah, but she is treated just seriously enough that I feel she decreases our chance of getting a real Arturia (Assassin).

>>54154567
>that time merlin and arthur straight up executed a boat full of kids to prevent mordred from growing up to fuck over the kingdom

>>54154586
Are not all Servants composed of memes?

>>54154567
But MHX alter is the 2nd best saberface

>>54154487

Well, we already have MHX as a Saber who is an assassin - but yes, if they wanted her as an assassin who is not a gag it would work. Same with the shield which also might be a boat to make a Rider who is not santa.

Then I guess Caster Saber is just one who studied under merlin instead?

Morgan Le Fay should totally appears as a saberface caster though.

>>54154659
>a Rider who is not santa.
I want an actual Rider Saint Nicholas.

Just a fat man beating the shit out of Casters with candy cane maces and exploding presents.

>Saving up for Tamamo in burgerland FGO

Also why is Dracula so weak?

>>54154657
But that's wrong.
>1st:Nero
>2nd:Lily
>3rd: Vanilla

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>>54154695
You're right on #1 at least.

But MHX Alter is a good second.

>>54154694
He isn't.

He just needs a high level and a bunch of support before he can start casually one-shotting bosses on the first turn.

>>54154651

Technically yes. Servants work because they're heroic spirits of legend - the bigger and older the legend the more badass they are. It's why Arthur(girl), Gil and Herakles are so top tier. Gil is such a super top tier because in nasuverse rules the more original something is the more powerful and the Epic of Gilgamesh is one of humanity's oldest stories.

>>54154686

And his NP is his legendary sleigh and 12 reindeers which can travel fast enough to deliver presents all over the globe in a single night.

St. Nick would actually be a hella strong Servant empowered by all those beliefs of children.

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>>54154710
It just feels like my Vlad does less damage than a Hercules of the same level. I just want him to be good.

>>54154695

I'm sorry, you seem to have misspelled Mordred, Mordred and Mordred.

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Let's get this out of the way.

>Jesus heroic servant

possible?

>>54154694
are you blasting classic lincoln park and evanescence in the background while youre using him?

>>54154686
Given how both Saber Alter and Jeanne Alter Lily have become Santa, I think Santa has some weird shit going on in the Nasuverse.

>>54154727
why is non alter jeane so shit?

>>54154743
Under the Saver class from Fate/Extra maybe.

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>>54154753
She was good but she had to one up normal Jannu.

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>>54154743
I really hope so. They've already done Buddha.

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>>54154756
But how strong would he be? Technically he'd basically be the original messiah, right? That should make him pretty fucking OP.

Or a Moses servant.

>>54154743
Anything too divine is usually disqualified (until the inevitable exception is made anyway. It is the Nasuverse after all), but if possible it would probably be something similar to saver or ruler

>>54154776
>Or a Moses servant.
Would Moses be Saver or Ruler?
Yes, he's important to Judaism, but he doesn't have the same place in it that Jesus and Buddha do in Christianity and Buddhism.

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>>54154776
Moses already has a design thanks to a flashback from Ramses, so I'd expect him at some point. He'd make for a bitching Caster or Ruler. I think Martha Ruler's skills mention him as well.

>>54150861
>Anon falls like a puppet with his strings cut

>>54154791
Caster.

SINCE YOU REFUSE TO FREE MY PEOPLE
ALL THROUGH THE LAND OF EGYPT

>>54154882
>>54154809
>>54154776

NP is 10 Plagues of Egypt.

>>54154895
>>54154882
Moses is the Grand Caster.

>>54154899
Isn't that Solomon?

>>54154882
You can't just do that and not post it

>>54154882
Ramses is a good brother and did nothing wrong!

>>54154809
qt

>>54154933
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-tVTEyuCKn4

>>54155123
good job

>>54149324
Astolfo is a boy, and has probably made me bi in some way

>>54149105
They did. But that doesn't change the fact that Sam Vimes was always Lawful Good done right.

>>54155277
Its fine if its Astolfo. Thats like, a historical fact.

>>54151763
You could have the Roswell alien as Rider.

>>54155277
He looks exactly like a girl. You're not even remotely bi.

>>54155454

You can make Servants by amalgamating weaker ideals, fictional characters and urban legends - so combine Roswell and other UFO mythology with something else - like HPL or some Ancient Aliens bullshit, and it totally works.

>>54154686
>tfw you'll never get to see Gilgamesh's face when Gate of Babylon get countered by limitless numbers of spears made of magic candy cane.

>>54154743
It isn't possible under normal circumstances.

Jesus' divinity is far too high to be summoned under normal circumstances.

The only way to summon him would be if he intentionally hijacked a Wraith or Saint Graph from another servant. So technically, you can have Jesus taking the wheel on for instance, a Caster Moses, and then it would be a Jesus Servant, although it would be in Moses' body with portions of Moses' abilities.

>>54155454
Chariot of the Gods - An advanced spacecraft from a distant galaxy. Because it's very nature is "alien" to the Earth it is impossible for any being of the Earth to comprehend what they are observing when looking at it.

The Black Hole of Time - A NP that cloaks the aliens actions in mystery by affecting the memory of those that encounter her. Anyone who interacts with the alien while the black hole is active will find all but brief flashes of their interaction deleted from their memory.

>>54155828
>those that encounter her

You are not allowed to genderflip the Roswell alien just so you can stick your dick in it.

>>54155880
Don't act like the alien would be a cute girl! There is precedent in setting for cute girl aliens!

>>54154686
Santa would be kind of terrifying. I don't think anyone can really tank a blast which is powered by children's happiness backed up by a legion of elves. I could see him being one of the toughest riders

>>54155880
>implying aliens are not mostly girls
There are more female TYPEs than males.

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>>54148989
Don't feel bad you didn't get the right image, anon. You did your best.

>>54155880
>he doesn't dream of going to space to fuck the stars
>he doesn't dream of pulling a captain kirk and screwing every alien chick in the known universe.
anon plz

>>54155880
>You are not allowed to genderflip
You must be new to Fate.

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>>54149288
Wait what? I read the Carolingian cycle, but I don't remember anything about crossdressing - unless you count how many people kept assuming Bradamante was ja guy. Then again, the edition of my book was compiled back in the 19th century...

So in UBW Archer mentions that Gae Bolg is stronger than Gungnir, how could he possibly know that?

>>54155933
>1.9 Billion children in the world
>Huge portions of them believe in Santa in some shape or form
>An entire month practically belongs to him, where people across the world set up effigies of him, dress up as him to affirm the beliefs of children, and play songs repeating his legend over and over across every speaker

Santa would be incredibly bullshit if summoned. Probably every parameter would be two ranks higher or more from the sheer power of his legend.

>>54156035
He probably faked both of them.

>>54156037
Imagine the boost he'd get during Christmas.

>>54156053
I don't think he can just bullshit a Gungnir into existence. He has to have encountered the weapon or some kind of schematics or something.

>>54156037
That's not even getting into the various nasu shit that might get attached to him. What if he has noble phantasms from the various forms of his original myth, or ends up getting powered by consumerism or something? I genuinely can't think of a stronger rider

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>>54148989
Pink. The word you wanted was Pink Paladin. Of the various color-coded paladin orders. Their co-op teams are pretty cool when brought together and their usual divine intermediaries are Coatls, working closely with the Rainbow Servant operations.

>Pic related, one of their chief antagonists, the Mirror Warrior who has no color at all.

>>54156093
Archer had gotten around quite a bit as a counter guardian, but I also remember shirou instantly identifying legendary weapons whenever Gil summoned them with his sword eyes

>>54153652
So Artoria's a girl because King Arthur was famous for being girly/a girl? I'm not really up on all my Arthur lore past "red dragon star or something"

>>54156096
>Gets resurrection sorcery and storm control from the myth of Saint Nicholas
>Gets all of the bullshit powers that the myth of Santa Claus gives him
>Gets Aqua Tofana and the Manna from his relics
>Gets an at-will version of Swallow's curse from the concept of [Consumption of resources]

Santa Claus could solo an entire Grail War of servants at once if he had everything that's part of his legend.

>>54156096
Is Santa Alter the Krampus?

>>54149064
> besuto Raidah
> not Medusa
> not Sexdusa

I shiggy diggy the diggy shiggy, my wiggy.

>>54156130
Huh, maybe Gungnir was a spear Gil threw at him I suppose. Or maybe he fought in Ragnarok as a counter guardian.
Maybe he's fought in some super bullshit altuniverse Grail wars, he does have Caladbolg after all.

>>54156135
No that one was for fetish purposes.

>>54156167
I wouldn't put it past him to be able to bring in his own sub servants. Elves, demons, 6 to 8 black men, it's insane.

>>54156171
Of course.

>>54156135
No, Arthur's just a girl because Nasu wanted good sales for his eroge.

>>54156171
Santa is so OP I could almost see Krampus being summoned with him as some sort of balancing act. Like every time Santa is summoned the Krampus appears as a counter guardian

>>54156135
No, that was so the game would sell.

>>54151149
Boy I really, really want to fuck Minamoto no Yorimitsu.

>>54156202
>>54156217
>>54156233
>sexualizing the Arthur
Blimey

>>54153805
To soothe the raging libido of his cousin Roland, after Roland was turned down by some thot.

Not that he's gay, they Eiffel Tower a long list of women together.

>>54156237
She would rape you unconscious and then crush your throat because she's angry that you don't love her enough to keep up with her inhuman stamina.

>>54156244
The also did it to Francis Drake, but played it off by connecting it to that old conspiracy theory that Queen Elizabeth was actually a man. They flipped that so that Drake is actually Elizabeth in disguise.

So where do Arturia Santa and Jeanne Santa fit into Santa's legend?

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>>54156345
There is a long and respected legend of whores dressing up in skanky santa outfits.

>>54156400
Ho ho ho ho

Low hanging fruit I suppose.

>>54156345
There is a "Mrs. Claus", isn't there?

>>54156564
The inevitable Medea Santa.

>>54156564
But they aren't Mrs. Cluas, they are Santa himself.

>>54151149
I want to give Brynhildr all the love and affection she deserves.

>>54156731

Okay, but you know that means she's going to spear the shit out of you, right?

>>54156801
Don't worry, I'm into pegging.

>>54156217
>>54156233
Also, IIRC, the guy responsible for Saberface basically had a tantrum and said he wanted to draw more cute girls.

Can you imagine how that meeting went down?

>"I just want to make King Arthur a little girl and draw her cute butt getting pounded by the protagonist. Why would you be against this? Why are you so gay Nasu?"

>>54157250
So much of the Type-moon universe makes sense when you realize that Nasu wants to tell a story and worldbuild, Takeuchi wants to draw cute girls with the exact same faces getting fucked, and the editor just wants to pander to otaku who have more money than common sense so he can make money hand over fist.

Everything in the Nasuverse is a random mashup of those three arguing nonstop.

Except for Septim. That only exists because no one thought to check whether or not the writer they assigned to do it was retarded before hiring them.

>>54157420

Just finished Septim the other day - it really is kind of lackluster. As an actual servant though, Nero is cool. Tanky as fuck.

>>54157420
>Takeuchi wants to draw cute girls with the exact same faces getting fucked
That's only post F/SN. Prior to that he wanted to draw cute girls in maid outfits getting fucked.

>>54157672
good man, good taste.

>>54157420
>Fucking Takeuchi
>Why I got to write so many sex scenes
>I'm not any good at this shit
>Why'd I save them for last
>I could be eating dinner right now
>Fuck I'm hungry

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Diogenes caster when?

>>54155880
It's probe or be probed anon.

>>54156801
>>54156831
that's hot

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>>54155880
It was the best chapter of Shaman King.

>>54158646
>not 'im the fucking shaman king'

Gonna make a new bread

>>54158961
new thread
>>54159004

>>54151362
sunflower seeds in paper cone

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>>54149602
I used to be a big fan of Type-Moon when there was still hope for them doing anything but rehashing Fateshit until the end of time.

The original VN is amazing, but caring about servants is just sperging out over surface-level plot elements.

>>54154743
What class would Jesus even be besides Saver from F/E? Caster? Could we have Berserker Jesus whose NP revolves around throwing the money changers out of his temple? Actually, what's would Berserker Jesus be like?

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>>54159804