/WMG/ Warmachine and Hordes General

>Play it painted
You're assuming I can play it at all.

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my current WiP

feed back?

>>54145995
The spiderweb on the sorceress sells it for me.

>>54145995
2/10

Nice clean space but your charger isn't even look plugged in.

Would not charge phone on.

>>54143010
Damn the Archangel is cool. It and the Hydra are my favorite gargossals. Too bad about those rules though.

The ETC winning team had 3 Skorne players on it. Between their 6 lists, there was 4 heavies.

LUL

>>54145995
Dope

>>54143010
Why does that Archangel have bowling balls painted on the insides of it's wings?

>>54148201
>got your arses reamed by 8th edition
Enjoy your kiddie pool game without points or real rules. I hope you can dance or have a big enough beard for some lucky rerolls. :^)

>>54148201
>lol cucks how's your dead game, really dead in here lmao bet you wish you were playing Age of 8thmar now cucks
You're exactly the sort of person that drove me out of my dying 40k community during 6th edition and, unsurprisingly, the cancer killing 4chan.

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>Guard Dog - While this model is within 3" of its warlock/warcaster and isn't knocked down or stationary, its warlock/warcaster gains Parry and +2 DEF against melee attack rolls
I take it a caster loses those benefits the moment they leave that 3" bubble during their advance?

>>54148470
>>54148470
Yes, I would go with that too since it reads like an aura.

But keep in mind that for free strikes, it's only relevant where you are positioned at the time the free strike takes place, not where you end up afterwards. So if you are within 3" while your advance is interrupted by the free strike, you will have Parry. It doesn't matter if the end-goal of your advance it outside of the aura.

>>54148737
And on second thought, the small on/off aura makes perfect sense. A bodyguard attachment is there to help get your 'caster out of combat, not to magically deliver them deeper past an entire front line.

>>54148879
Right, which makes it super valuable to casters who want to get further up without having a worry. I can't recall right away if Garryth has parry or not, but I'm pretty sure Ravyn and Thyron don't.

>>54148271
54148201 sounds like a dickhead, but you seem to be confusing 40k with AoS when it first launched. At that point in time AoS did have those silly rules.

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>>54149200
AoS has silly rules, 8th ed 40k just has monstrously boring rules. I've played 40k and Warmachine quite happily for years, but 8th's finally pushed me into focusing on Warmachine full-time. The units just don't do anything interesting, you've got so few options on the tabletop now. Just small passive buffs/nerfs and a dumbed down Deep Strike. In Warmachine, I like being able to look over my cards and see how the abilities there can be made to interact, and use those to unpick whatever problem the opponent has presented me with.

And that's before I even get started on the atrocious bastardisation of the fluff and art which drew me to 40k in the first place.

Fuck it, people can whine about mud ded gaem, Soles' incompetence, and PP's lack of business acumen all they like. I love this game. I like the gameplay, I like the world it's set in. I even like the silly, comic-booky art style.

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>>54149287
Time for me to reveal what a fag I am by....
Also saying I really like the game. Its solid, and only improving.

Even trolls will get some lovin, and so will skorne by years end.

Btw here is a simple painted mechanic, not sexy but no pit crew is

>>54149200
Scary Gary is already kitted up to jump lines with Parry and Acrobatics, but I'm eager to see what Thyron can accomplish with an ARM20 Shield Guard watching his back.

/tg/ seems to mostly be Skorne players and they haven't had anythibg new and there's only so much they can complain about.

>>54149287

Our area has pretty much quit Warmachine for 8th edition and Infinity.

I has a sad but I understand, Mk 3 was such a disaster they just left.

>>54147783

Heavyless Skorne isn't rare at all, anon. Nobody plays skorne so the the difference between "what everybody knows about skorne" and "what people that play skorne know about skorne" can get pretty big about some things.

>for instance, Winds of Death is awesome

>>54150049
It was the opposite here. We've gone from 6 full-time 40k players and three 40k/Warmachine players, to 2 full-time 40k players and the rest completely abandoning it for WM. People drifted back to 40k after Mk3 dropped due to the bungled release, but now that PP are pulling themselves together and GW are intent on driving away anyone who wants their games to actually be proper games, Warmachine is coming back in a big way.

>>54150743
>Warmachine is coming back in a big way.

Nah anon, maybe in your meta but as someone that helps organize WMW and RMR, it's drifted down.

Not end of the world, down numbers...but definitely down.

>>54147783
That's how Skorne is played. Surprise surprise.

>>54150863

Collecting data for both lists in the pair can give you the wrong idea, though. My pairing always seems to end up 2/0 heavies these days.

Heavy skorne is a thing, but sometimes they'd best get out of the way and let supported warrior models get shit done.

>>54149287
>Fuck it, people can whine about mud ded gaem, Soles' incompetence, and PP's lack of business acumen all they like.
That's the attitude held by most people who actually play instead of just whining on the Internet.

>>54149333
It's comin along quite nicely anon. Wash and highlights and that guy's good to go.

>>54149697
>mostly be Skorne players
or Skorne players were bitching the most about the game on /tg/ where as other faction players just lurk and go out to play the game :^)

>>54149287
I'm with ya there bud. Kicking off a campaign with six friendo's and I'm looking forward to many games. ded community won't stop me from enjoying the hobby.

>>54146749

this thing has been on the shelf for years and i just put it together. i missed that spiderweb though

>>54150743
What did they fix?
Our local group has been completely dead ever since they ended the Press Ganger program.

>>54148470

that's how it works on nephalim protector. it also starts when you enter the bubble so you can move the thing 3 inches for where you would take a free strike and have parry when your caster gets there

I heard Children of the Dragon was getting reworked, but I can't seem to find anything concrete.

>>54151549

yes it allows character nephalim now

it's in the battle engine errata

>>54151070
No, even through MK2 there were a disproportionate amount of posts about Skorne list building and warlock discussion, and not all of it bitching either.

I would say /tg/ skews more to Skorne and Khador just from what I've seen. I know there was a survey at one point that seemed to make the factions looked fairly balanced, but I know how shaky 4chan surveys are.

>>54151561
That's kinda neat I guess. At least you can run Abby or Thags and still have two heavies, but I don't know if that's enough to give a shit.

>>54151605
abby and thags can both run 3 heavies. and don't forget the theme gives all nephalim unyeilding. Thags1 brick actually looks pretty sweet

>>54151636
I forgot about Azrael. That's actually pretty neat then. I might have to pick up him and dust off some of my Nephilim.

>>54151666

yeah azreal with him is really fucking good. 2 pow 19 range 10 attacks on a 12 22 serpentine heavy

and you can include bfs in theme

Are there any fun, competitive Cryx lists? Not spam lists.

>>54152740
Define competitive. You can build rather cool mixed lists with Scaverous, Skarre2, Morty or Coven.

>>54152780
What's in an average Mortenebra list?

>>54152935
Warjacks and Cryx models

>>54149287
>I love this game
I've found that people that actually play the game feel this way and people who don't just complain endlessly on the internet

>>54152935
Hard to say. I haven't played against our local Cryx player in some time. But it's safe to say it should include some Stalkers.

>>54151434

Yep, throw my hat in the ring here too...the PG fiasco caused the one local PG we had to say fuck it and he just quit playing miniature games all together. Sold his exclusive mini for 30 bucks and said adios.

Since then, once every 3 months or so some guys host a game night at their houses. One game of WM is played usually, then on to board games.

Since then, they've went exclusive forums which are cesspits of CID whining and Facebook groups. Their social outreach consists of employees making bad jokes on twitter. Not sure wtf they are thinking at this point.

>>54150987
>>54153456

Same fagging on an image board is really sad anon :(

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>>54153678
Or maybe it's just a widely held sentiment?

>>54153483
But Mortenebra is a ranged jack caster now that she lost Terminal Velocity.

>>54153756
Then build a list around that. It'll probably work out fine.

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>>54153678
Swing and a miss. Good try though

>>54153751
>>54154014

Photoshopping an image is really sad anon :(

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>>54154108

>>54154108
Not being able to enjoy a game and shitposting about it instead is not?

>>54154231

Oh I can enjoy the game, I just can't take it serious anymore. It's Themes against Themes, gunlines and answers to gunlines and same shit.

Game is just bleeding players.

>>54154859
Yeah I hope they get this theme mess under control fast. But it's not enough to ruin the game. It's one bad trend in a mass of good ones.

I got my ass fisted by circle today, because my Winter Guard can't do shit against an Army of all stealth models.

>>54156508

Can't you spam AOEs downrange for the soft stuff and push other AOEs up within 5 inches for the hard stuff?

>>54156508
Your army has a million aoe's and grapeshot.

>>54157942
>AOE's
Blast 6. Wheee.

>Grapeshot
Wrong Winterguard. Also lolrat5

>>54158013

Sometimes you have to get dangerously close with the rocket launcher, anon. No free rides.

>>54154859
>>54158013
>Wrong Winterguard
That's your fault

>rat 5
That's what Joe is for

>>54156508
Try flares.

>>54158013
blast 6 needs 6s to kill most circle infantry

>>54159023
Shhh, just let bad players be bad

hey /tg/,
I'm running an IKRPG campaign in occupied Llael in the near future and I was wondering if someone has a city map of Merywyn.
pretty please

>>54159151
That's right, don't help other players. Frustration is good for them, it helps build character and the playerbase of other games

So what's the general consensus on the changes coming to No Quarter?

>>54160431
A resounding "meh".

I like the idea of publishing game updates regularly in it, though.

>>54160187
If you read further up you would realize several people had tried to offer help but they weren't having any of it

>>54160431
It's cool, but it's unfortunate no one will ever use the scenarios or terrain. All Steamroller all the time

>>54150049
New player here, why was Mk III considered a disaster?

>>54161398
Depends on who you ask.

The game is better than the previous edition but they bungled a lot of the release and communication post release. They've gotten better since then and things are set to start improving but a lot of people are bitter about it and like to bitch and moan.

Some of it is justified, a lot of it is people just taking a piss and being shitty. Mostly if you play the game you'll find it to be a lot of fun. If you just lurk on Facebook or /tg/ you'll find that it's litterally the worst thing ever created and PP will surely be closing down any day now.

>>54161452
So if I lurk it's 40K and GW? And I'm actually selling my 40K and getting Warmachine, rules seem way better and I've always loved the models. Mostly been playing Infinity for a couple of years now.

>>54161489

Rules are solid (the rules getting cleaned up is the best thing about there being a mk3), models to taste.

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better lighting and new work. what do you think?

>>54161489
It genereally is better. Also the environment is better as well.

If something was crap in mk2, all the best you could hope for was maybe an attachment to make it better.

Now it generally recieve errata

>>54161578
If possible file down the bubbles

>>54161615

bubbles?

>>54161489
Depends on what you want out of a game. Both can be a ton of fun with the right group but with the wrong people it's just miserable

Warmahordes is good fun but better for a competitive game

40k is like the ultimate beer and pretzels game but terrible for competition

>>54161602
>Also the environment is better as well.
Ehhh... Maybe locally but the Warmahordes community on /tg/ is pretty terrible. Like one of the worst you could participate in

No comment on 40k, they seem like nice guys though

>>54161776
No I meant the game design environment.

Tge environment on tg is awful.

Also rule if thumb: tg is the worst at warmachine.

>>54161807
>tg is the worst
Fixed that for you

Someone is selling a mountain king for 82 bucks claiming it's new in box
Should I go for it

So I own a building downtown in a small city about 20 minutes from a college town. The previous tenants just closed up shop and the closest game store with a play area is about 45 minutes away. Would it be worth it to open up a flgs?

>>54162400
Foot traffic, floor space and nearby food: all successful components of a flgs

Ask yourself if you couldn't earn more as a commercial real estate rentier

>>54162400
>Would it be worth it to open up a flgs
Depends in why you mean by 'worth'. A game store is rarely something you do to make a profit.

>>54161124
I read it, and I saw only a single reply, not a wholesale rejection of all advice. Seems like the only players left are the ones who will kill the game with their shit attitude.

>>54163092
>my Khador can't kill Stealth :(
>use your copious access to blasts
>no, blasts are bad >:(
>okay bye
>WHY WILL NO ONE HELP THIS POOR SOUL
Is this really the hill you want to die on

>>54161807
>>54161776
I dunno. /tg/ generally has a more positive attitude to the game than, say, Lormahordes.

/tg/ will generally try to find positives in new releases and make up fun lists and treat the game as a game.

Outside of /tg/ communities anything that isn't immediatly top tier is considered trash and they focus on the SUPER SERIAL COMPETITIVE TOURNAMENTS ONLY GAME

>>54156508
Was it all lady tharn, or kaya2 and shadow pack?

>>54163692
Are you sure about that? Tg is the one whining about how anything but sentinels is unplayable trash and that to not use devastators stick to juggers or behemoth only

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>>54159023
>>54159151
>>54161124
>>54163271
Wew, can't a lad go to bed without having the Powder Keg explode?

This was the matchup. Circle picked a side with two walls and I got turn 1.

After typical maneuvering from both sides, everything was outside of my threat ranges (including walk 6" and look into stealth 5") turn 2 except for some Ravagers, which were deployed on a flank and I wasn't too keen shooting at with the prospect of getting Vengeance-charged and feat bringing the 2 or 3 dudes back I was in range of shooting. I tried blasting away some shit with the mortar and rockets, but I either deviated too far or corpse tokes were spent to prevent damage, so I only killed one witch or something. So I moved a bunch of shit forward and sacced the marauders to bait the warpwolves forward.

Circle Primal'd both wolves, smashed the marauders and got forward with most of his shit. The riders ran and blocked off a Juggernaut and most of a Winter Guard unit. On of the death wolves was close enough to eat his way through 5 winter guard dudes and stand in the middle of my army with a token.

My turn 3 and I finally got shoot a bunch of shit. Vlad tried to kill the wolf with the big axe, but somehow hitting a 7 with 3 dice on 4 tries was too much to ask. The Juggernaut smashed some riders and other juggernaut killed two wolves and a Ravager. A bunch of Rocketeers shot the Pureblood to death and the rest attempted to kill of some stuff, but Signs&Potents doesn't scale greatly against DEF 16.

The game ended over the course of the next two turns. The Ravagers wiped the Winter guard Unit that attempted to shoot some of them and made the Juggernaut explode afterwards with all the corpse tokens they got. The Nightwitch ate 11 models or something and I lost with one Juggernaut, Vlad, 3 Rocketeers and Jozef on scenario.

Overall, this was just miserable to play against, because everything was DEF 16 the entire game and/or had stealth. Field gun was useless, because lolSatyr.

>>54163751
That was one guy with weak bait.
I didn't say /tg/ weren't autistic enough to fall for it.

>>54163774
an all shooting all the time list with no anti stealth tech can be hard countered by stealth. Maybe that spriggan doesn't look quite so damn horrid now?

Drop your theme list into Coven + bane theme next, let me know how it goes.

>>54163774
Try cras or aiming. With harkevitch it should be enough to reliably hit defense 16.

On top of that run a jack near infantry and hit it with a mortar.

>>54162346
>claiming

That's not a low enough price to really stand out as particularly sketchy, unless you already think the seller is sketchy.

The Mountain King is one of the best things in the Trolls arsenal right now, if you play Trolls go for it.

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Is there anything Skeryth Issyen does better than the Spears of Scyrah these days aside from riding a horse and being a point cheaper?

>>54168885
He costs zero points

>>54169556
I guess that's one argument in his favor

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Hey Trollblood leaker, are you there
Gimme the leaks man, I need 'em

>>54169676
> New BE
But our current one is mediocre/bad. Why get another one? Why did we get the Pummler? Why? Why? Why?

>>54169713
Isn't the War Wagon pretty damn good after the errata?

>>54169735
Honestly, no. The best thing about it is the War Wagon is the Pounder and if you miss with that, then all you really get is a piddly POW 12 spray and some mediocre melee attacks.

Not to mention huge bases present movement problems, especially in a medium based army.

The final week battle reports for it mostly tell the same story. Even after all those buffs, it still just isn't that good.

>>54169713
For the northkin theme. Its the hooch hailer. Imposes stumbling drunk, and throws exploding flaming booze barrels.

>>54170030
But the khadoran one finds itself pretty great. And its nearly identical, so maybe it warrants further evaluation?

>>54170063
The Carriage guarantees craters, the Quake Pounder guarantees nothing. Also, the Carriage has two AOEs to the Wagon's one.

Also, Carriage has more armor. The Carriage is just generally more useful.

>>54170038
> Flaming barrels and an army buff.
Extra attacks and an army buff will probably make it worth while. Shame that it seems like it will only be useful in a theme.

>>54170444
>Also, Carriage has more armor.
You're playing Trolls

>>54170063
>Nearly identical

It creates rough terrain and has two shots with that gun and it's in a faction with Khador casters. It's a much better BE.

>>54171271
>You're playing Trolls

Everythingis+2armorbecausenoonecankillthestoneandtrollsalwaysneedtopay12points

>>54171271
Ugh, don't remind me.

I remember a wonderful period in Mk. II when I could run lists without the stone and not feel like I was handicapping myself.

Those days were too good to last, even though they still weren't even that great.

>>54171666
Welcome to Skorne. The faction of pay at least 20 pts to be able to compete.

>>54171894
That's not so bad. Some factions need to bring 75p.

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>>54172130
Cheeky little bastard aren't you

I hope Trolls get more options for providing that protective aura, like Madrak3. It just needs to be cheap enough that it makes the stonebearer feel like a valid upgrade.

Maybe a structure that provides the aura? Or something like Protectorate Wracks?

What factions have mandatory buy ins before they start list building?
Off the top of my head...
>Cygnar: Journeyman
>Menoth: Choir
>Trollbloods: Krielstone
>Circle: Shifting Stones
>Skorne: Beast Handlers
>Legion: Shepard?

>>54172901
Cygnar needs the squire and Arlan Strangewayes too. Khador's got those rad Forgeseers now, so any 'jack list they're going for probably needs those now.

>>54172901
I haven't seen a single Retribution list that had anything less than a pair of Arcanist Mechaniks.

>>54171666
How do I kill the stone if my list is melee troops with a smattering of single target jack guns? I can pick off two ablative dudes a turn max if I can get LoS after my infantry jam up into their beasts.
>inb4 "drop in your gunline instead lol"

>>54148410
Thank god, I hope you drive yourself out from every community, thin skinned faggots are the cancer you speak of.

>>54172901
It wouldn't be a problem if the support didn't differ in quality dramatically.

>Shifting Stones
Not mandatory by any stretch.
>Krielstone
>Beast Handlers
More expensive than most, ineffective early game against a lot of things. They feel like part of your beast that was taken from you and held to ransom for points owing to how your army is just so much weaker without them.
>Shepard
Incredible just because it's 1 point. Every other Hordes faction brings a Gobber Chef and has to put up with whatever it can do.
>Choir
Straight up hard counters a LOT of shit. You can't pick a gunline against Menoth because of this hardcore bullshit. Then when your jacks are going in they get increased damage, as if what you were already getting wasn't good enough.
>Journeyman
And here we have the king of bullshit. The Journeyman is not a mandatory inclusion for any other reason than how phenomenally powerful it is. It should not have Arcane Shield. Straight up. Hordes players are taxed to the high fucking heavens for fucking awful animi they don't even want, and Cygnar gets to pay 4 points for fucking Arcane Shield. My GOD.

>>54172901
Shifting Stones are pretty situational now.

If there's any mandatory buy-in for Circle, it's Standing Stones.

>>54173372
I got tired of Little Timmys 1, 2, and 3 crying for daddy to buy another three Ghost Arks/Vendettas/Wave Serpents for them because they weren't winning tournament prizes EVERY month yet and talking like they were big shit when they finally had their untouchable spam lists together.
Children hate metal models and rules that force them to plan out turns, so I've been enjoying myself a lot more since I made the jump.

>>54173473
If you think Handlers are ineffective and Shepherds are incredible, you're bad at this game.

>>54161807
nobody is forcing you to come here, feel free to fuck off anytime you want

>>54173473
>Hordes players are taxed to the high fucking heavens for fucking awful animi they don't even want, and Cygnar gets to pay 4 points for fucking Arcane Shield. My GOD.
There's a thought. What if animi were optional but cost points? So for example a Titan Gladiator could cost 13+2 points, the 13 being a base Gladiator, and the extra 2 points being Rush. A Mauler could be 14+1 points. You could make some mandatory so for example a Woldwyrd could be 9+0 points.

>>54173544
Handlers are dead points and a liability in the early turns. I've lost them to blasts drifting out of fucking nowhere before. And I'm not saying Shepherds are incredible, I'm saying they're a 1 point model that can actually do something relevant. Being 1 point at all is a big deal in listbuilding.

>>54172901

legion has no mandatory thing but Id say forsaken are more common than shepherds

>>54172901
Skorne actually needs a Titan Gladiator as well. Or a Krea. Speed 3/4 really sucks. You either need to buff it via Rush for 15 pts, or Paralytic Aura for 7 pts if you feel you can tank the ranged fire coming in.

>>54172901
Convergence and Corollary, I guess? You can do it without the Corollary, but it's a lot harder.

>>54171666
>Everythingis+2armorbecausenoonecankillthestoneandtrollsalwaysneedtopay12points

Well, yeah. Not if you play your stone correctly. It's the most important model in your army, treat it as such and it shouldn't be dying.

Side note, never pay more than 9 points for the stone unless you just have 3 points to burn for some reason.

>>54173567
>Handlers are dead points and a liability in the early turns. I've lost them to blasts drifting out of fucking nowhere before. And I'm not saying Shepherds are incredible, I'm saying they're a 1 point model that can actually do something relevant. Being 1 point at all is a big deal in listbuilding.

...Sigh. Play BETTER, anon. That's inexcusable. You have 6 inches to work with, maybe as much as 9. Multiple bodies. Shepherds don't make it to the end. Handlers do.

>they let you be ridiculously profligate with support animii in the early game, and if they're still around in the late game, they're 3rd-tier infantry and last-ditch bodyguard

>>54172901
Deneghra1

>>54175805
>support animii
Is this bait?

>>54168885
Shield Guarding repeatedly can be a challenge for ARM11 models, boxes or no. He's a much harder nut to crack and in his newly defined defensive role isn't as wasted babysitting something important than the Eiryss3 Express Delivery System is.

Hey, I'm trying to get back into the game with my roommate after taking a 3 year break. I currently own Circle and Scyrah models. My roomie has Menoth, Cyrx, and Everblight. What are some lists to try with each of these. I'm looking for some 25 and 50 point lists. I have Wurmwood, Kaya (wild?), and Kromac the Ravenous for Circle.
I have Dawnlord Vayros, Kaelyssa Night's Whisper, Ossyan, and Ravyn for Scyrah.
I'd post what I have for models but I'm not at home to look what I have exactly. I am also willing to try out any other casters/locks.

>>54176339
I don't need list for my roomie. Just some help with mine. Gotta try to remember how to play again.

>>54173042
>Cygnar needs the squire and Arlan Strangewayes too
They don't NEED them. They just happen to be crazy good and also free.

>>54173950
>Skorne actually needs a Titan Gladiator
Can't remember when I last played it. Skorne heavies are approximately the second worst part of the faction. The worst being Cataphracts of course.

>>54176339
25p is really tough. But have this 50p goodstuff.list

https://conflictchamber.com/#c8201b5v4O4M4H4H5e5e5f4U
Circle Army - 50 / 50 points

(Wurmwood 1) Wurmwood, Tree of Fate [+27]
- Feral Warpwolf [18]
- Pureblood Warpwolf [17]
- Woldwyrd [9]
- Woldwyrd [9]
Sentry Stone & Mannikins [5]
Sentry Stone & Mannikins [5]
Shifting Stones [3]
Wolves of Orboros (max) [11]

>>54175363
>Side note, never pay more than 9 points for the stone unless you just have 3 points to burn for some reason

The fact that you didn't assume I was paying 6 + Elder tells me to not take advice from you concerning Trolls.

And your stone can die, even when you play well bud. Other players are smart too and it's not unkillable---and at some point in the game, it will be exposed a bit more than you want due to Fury load/scenario/etc.

>>54175885

...Unfortunately not.

Ok, if you aren't using animii to any meaningful extent I can see how you would think beast handlers don't earn their points throughout the game.

>>54177170
>>54175885

Ok, look anon. Warjacks are better at being warjacks than warbeasts are at being warjacks. By a lot. That's always going to be true. Maybe you should try Khador, or something.

>>54177056
I'll take a look into that. Also I heard mk3 changed a lot of things so I'm pretty sure a lot of my cards are useless now. Is it better to just print your own cards to keep them updated or did they just get of them all together.

>>54177311
Your old cards are completely useless
However, they are now online for free
http://cards.privateerpress.com/

>>54177311
All of them are outdated. The edition change came with a full update of every card (of course some with more and some with fewer changes) and there have been errata since then.

I'd say you have two options:
1) Buy warroom. It's expensive, but worth it if you plan on playing a lot.
2) Go to cards.privateerpress.com and print your own cards. The rulebooks are also somewhere on the PP site. Only theme forces are not available online, at least officially.

>>54177394

Avoid Warroom. Privateer Press can't into computers

>>54177344
Thanks, gonna have to do some updating then.

>>54177416
You can stop now. It works reasonably well, especially on post-2010 tablets. It could be a lot better but so could most things in life.

>>54177394
Yea I'll be better off just printing off cards. Nobody expect me 2 other people play this game so I don't expect to play it that often.

>>54161578
good start on basecoats.

Need moar paint

;P

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>>54177636

been on it

>>54177453
>You can stop now. It works reasonably well, especially on post-2010 tablets. It could be a lot better but so could most things in life.

It's ass and it took 2+ years to even get to ass level. It still drains battery on power devices (I use an iPad Pro) because of the shitty language it was written in.

No, I won't stop and no they can't into computers. Every digital launch has been a failure, quit apologizing for them.

>>54177394
Theme forces are definitely online.
http://privateerpress.com/organized-play/game-rules-errata

>>54178149
Yeah, War Room is shit, but mostly I wouldn't blame PP for that. It's Tinkerhouse that don't know what they're doing.

> plan an app to show static 2D content
> pick Unity
> go home and fuck sister to keep bloodline pure for the fourth generation

>tfw you still only have one theme
>tfw trolls, cygnar will have 4 themes by the time you get yours
>tfw even Grymkin and CoC will have 2 themes before you get yours
>everyone else will have 3 themes
>tfw you won't even have a good ADR roster

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>>54178484
>go home and fuck sister to keep bloodline pure for the fourth generation

haha, funniest shit I've read on a Warmahordes general in a loooonnnggg time

Stay awesome anon

I disagree a bit because of how bad PP front office has handled their electronic IP, even if the devs they ultimately picked were awful...but because your 5/5 post was so damn funny, I'll just give a thumbs up

>>54176339
Alright here is what I own right now. I'll be looking to buy some models to update my armies.

Circle:
Ghetorix
Pureblood Warpwolf
2 Feral Warpwolf
Warpwolf Stalker
Winter Argus
Argus
Wold Guardian
Gorax
2 Shifting Stones
Stone Keeper
Nuala the Huntress
Tharn Bloodtrackers
2 Gallows Grove
Warpborn Alpha
Warpborn Skinwalkers
Blacked Wayfarer

Retribution:
2 Manticore
Chimera
Griffon
Phoenix
Hydra
Banshee
Daemon
Sphinx
4 or 5 Arcanist
2 Mage Hunter Assassin
2 Heavy Sniper Teams

Mercs:
Reinhold, Fibber Speculator
Cylena Raefyll & Nyss Hunters

Also it seems I still had a mini Cygnar list. I remember using it for quick 15 point games. However it was before Gobber became an attachment.

Major "Siege"
Squire
Defender
Charger
Black 13th Gun Mage Strike Team

>>54178368
Just the errata'd ones.

>>54177108
>The fact that you didn't assume I was paying 6 + Elder tells me to not take advice from you concerning Trolls.
Normally I would, but that's not what anon wrote. This is part of the post I replied to

>alwaysneedtopay12points

So... Learn to read the thread before you post?

>>54180080
Did you even look at the document?
3 Cygnar, 3 Protectorate, 3 Khador, 2 Cryx, 1 Retribution, 3 Mercenaries, 1 Convergence, 2 Trollbloods, 3 Circle, 1 Skorne, 3 Legion, 2 Minions... looks like all of them to me.

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>>54181599
>1 Retribution
This is how I know you're wrong.

>>54181692
You mean the two that were only just released in the forces book weren't included in the PDF that was promised to include things a month after release? Holy shit, numpty, well done.

So I've been playing all of the GW games for at least 5 or so years and am starting to consider expanding my hobby and Warmahordes really interested me both model and rules wise.

I have a rough idea of the army(s) I want to start but with little in the way of Warmachine or Hordes players in my area I am looking to the internet for advice on how I should start this hobby.

>>54181909
The starter boxes are a pretty good way of testing the game out without investing too much money in it, so it shouldn't be too hard to convince a few other people to give it a shot. You get a caster and about three Beasts/Jacks plus a rulebook and other bits and bobs for around £30, which is very affordable.

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How good are Legion of Everblight? I'm tossing up between them (my current lean) and Cryx.

>>54181909
Even if you don't want to buy the standard starter boxes, the core rulebook(s) (https://files.privateerpress.com/allnewwar/Prime-Digest-Rules-2016-v2.pdf http://files.privateerpress.com/allnewwar/Primal-Digest-Rules-2016-v2.pdf) and the individual rules for each faction/model (http://cards.privateerpress.com/) are FREE.

Then there are the youtube tutorials, which actually explains how the game works in good detail. If you want to hook friends, just tell them to watch one of these videos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGJqSUoJscU (Warmachine)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJzBa6lI9HQ (Hordes)

>>54182640
Currently, the Legion is lagging a little whilst cryx recently had a revision to make them better.

Has anyone been following that Penny Arcade Warmachine stream? I thought the first one was entertaining, ignoring Will getting half the rules questions completely wrong, but I haven't had the time to sit down and watch any more.

so, given that PP has announced that CoC will be getting a CID cycle in August and the Northkin are supposed to be getting one before that, should we assume that the two CIDs will be overlapping given that we have yet to see Northkin, or should we assume that both will be smaller-scale updates?

>>54184500
I don't like how they don't show both the games anymore. Like they couldn't slot in a 4 hour time spot for this.

>>54184500
Yes, I do.

Jerry is fucking hilarious, his games are a blast to watch.

Can somebody upload the immortality adventure for the IKRPG

>>54184746
Northkin will be at least as big as Trenchers. COC just has less shit to go through so wouldn't take that much time.

>>54184922
Just watching Jerry get all goofy-eloquent while describing his activations convinced me to start playing regularly again regularly and enjoy the game instead of getting salty at my own misplays. Hence the lack of time to watch more, I suppose.

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Does anyone have the new art/splash page of the Black 13th that they used as the cover of NQ68? Just the art without all the overlays.

>>54185366
http://www86.zippyshare.com/v/ZWxPvC9p/file.html

>>54191767
Thanks anon, but I meant http://privateerpress.com/iron-kingdoms/core-products/immortality
this

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>>54191653
That pic is in the same nq btw.

>>54192795
I am a moron man. thank you so much anon

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>tfw you have to kill a beast that has tanked through fucking EVERYTHING the entire game just so that you can get the blast damage kill on the enemy caster
I'M SORRY

So have any of you guys played the IKRPG? Did you use the official system or did you convert it to a different one?
inb4 gurps

>>54193971
I've played a decent amount of IKRPG. Its kinda sad that they stalled it.

>>54194644
Regular (FMF) or IK Unleashed?

>>54194675
Both. Even some old d20 back in the days, but that one had it own issues.

Also, in regards to stalling it I mean the complete cessation of releases. Iosans, Cryx etc. never got the expansion.

>>54194644
Dont know how good the sales are, but I thought it was fucking horrible.

>>54195333
I mean the system. The books where actually really informative. The setting is awesome, I just wished they made a system that was capable of more then mediocre combat

>>54195981
The problem was more that it was like:

"Iron Kingdoms, The Tabletop Wargame, the Tabletop RPG"
Instead of
"Iron Kingdoms, the Tabletop RPG"

Why did none of the casters have a single spell that wasn't just combat related?

Looking to run Dark Host.

Can someone red pill me on Bane Knights?

Also other suggestions on what to run?

>>54197279
Bane Knights are the first line of offence.

>>54196337
This was the same problem I had. There's just so little rules support for anything that doesn't involve fighting. You can't play a smart, non-combat orientated scholar or anything of the sort. It's a crying shame since the setting is amazing, there's so much scope there that I'd love to explore, but the game only cares about dungeon crawling.

>>54197279
>Can someone red pill me on Bane Knights?

Reasonably costed and tough as nails if you bring a Wraith Engine (you're bringing a Wraith Engine). Use them to protect your Bane Warriors and Warcaster on the way into the enemy, then go to town.

>>54197430
>>54197436

So I'm guessing I'm going to have the same plan every game

>Thin Row of Knights in the front.
>Everyone else behind that shit
>Squad of Riders doing flank

IKRPG is fun if you treat it as rpg lite. You need a lot of house rules to make shit work. (Dumb shit like letting any unleashed class that can also pick a warrior be a Kriel Champ instead, because the warrior class in Unleashed blows) It's all about combat so just keep the story light.

>>54197436
>This was the same problem I had. There's just so little rules support for anything that doesn't involve fighting. You can't play a smart, non-combat orientated scholar or anything of the sort. It's a crying shame since the setting is amazing, there's so much scope there that I'd love to explore, but the game only cares about dungeon crawling.

It doesn't really have rules to support dungeon crawling. The combat is too stiff for it.

Really the Iron Kingdoms were adapted from D&D 3e and they actually work really well with D&D 3e.

It requires some houserules and using a alternate magic system like Spheres of Power, and Spheres of Might.

Generally, then to make a story pick a Character level and stick to it. If you want epic stuff, go something like 10-15 and play warcasters or characters like Vinter, you want something lower play a "Solo" and stay at like Level 4-6

Works surprisingly well.

>>54197436
>tough as nails
Especially if you're playing Terminus

>>54201126
Or Scaverous for Death Ward.

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TROLLBLOOD NORTHKIN CID STARTS MONDAY
CHAMPIONS, FIRE EATERS, AND THE NORTHKIN SHAMAN ARE GETTING LOOKED AT
AS ARE SCATTERGUNNERS (for some reason)
IT'S HAPPENING

>>54201954
Oh wait maybe not scattergunners, they reposted the announcement without them

>>54174456
I saw very few Convergence lists without an Inverter. Similar to the Corollary, in that you can do without it, but POW20 Knockdown on a Steady frame was hard to ignore.

>>54202017
In all likelyhood the stone will also be getting CID (Because it's getting an attachment).

The more stuff Trolls gets fixed, the less bitching there will be.

>>54203008
I imagine Warders will also be in CID just cause they are on the opposite end of Champions (the tanky durable elite infantry compared to the Champions smash face elite infantry)

>>54201954
>Fire eaters
I mean Fire Eaters getting looked at is probably bad news for Trolls, isn't it? They're currently pretty strong -- I don't see them getting stronger.

>>54203531
Not necessarily. It could be "Should we make these weaker?"
"No"
"OK"

It depends on how overpowering they are.

>>54203590
Ehh, they need you to bring a Pyre Troll or play Horgle2 to get recurring value out of them, they can in fact die to the fire if it spikes, and that makes them either restrictive for the points you pay or much more expensive, functionally. I think they'll be fine.

>>54203531
They could just adapt them a bit to avoid any weird interactions with new/changed models. I can't see them nerfing Fire Eaters.

>>54203711
Maybe they will even get slightly better? Like having rules that their fires never go out unless they want them too? Maybe extra boxes?

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>Some guy on the Trollbloods facebook is complaining that the CID isn't today
I swear people are never fucking happy

>>54204294
Yup

Regardless Im still happy for the trolls. Every cid (Even if its not for my own faction) is only a good thing. It will result in generally less bitching, and can prevent imbalances.

Lock & Load starts in a week. This year's keynote can't possibly be more disappointing than last year's.

R-right?

>>54205489
Well there was no huge buildup to basically nothing this year. So this year is already better.

>>54205489
It'll still be fucking nothing, but at least we won't be expecting anything amazing this time.

>>54206064

I'm excited to get the full grymkin rules but I'm not excited about the keynote.

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>>54206483
On a Grymkin Note has anybody seen the NQ Flame versions of them?

Kinda puts the whole faction to shame.

>>54206567
that's pretty cool, but the faction is still so scattered I can't get myself to enjoy it.

>>54206567
>"guys I played malifaux and now I want to milk that cash co- I mean pay HOMAGE to that game! Yes..." the faction

>>54206567

dallas kemp is a pretty good painter

>>54206646

I wasn't seeing it until i saw the model for the king of nothing

>>54206593
Fair Enough. I do like the backstory though.

Well, I think this game just died at my LGS. The two Facebook group admins have decided to be autistic shits and switch to 40k. I blame this game for being a piece of shit. There's too many ways for a list to attack you that hard counter other things. God what an actually terribly designed game.

>>54207177
>God what an actually terribly designed game.
Alright. All things considered Its unlikely that I could ever sway your opinion so...Good luck at whatever else annon.

>>54206593

There's an awesome SERIOUS BUSINESS faction to be had in there, I just know it.

Marching ranks upon ranks of Hollow Men. Led by a rogue's gallery of the quasi-divine, people that would have pulled a Morrow if the world had been at all ready for it and Menoth was having any of that shit. Grymkin scuttling about it all, supernatural lice and vermin on what was ultimately a failed half-start at an arcane era. Broken souls and ruined gods.

>pigmen, pumpkin men, and crab-rabbits
>sigh

I'm probably still going to take a crack at it.

>>54207455
>I'm probably still going to take a crack at it.

It could be done with color scheme and slightly alteration.

Pigs Can Be Converted into Demons for instance, Pumpkin heads can be filed down to be more skeletal, or even Emphasising a Plant theme, like plants wrapped around a warped body.

Crab Rabbits are fine mostly.

>>54207492

to be fair the pumpkin men are a pretty neat concept and have cool fluff.

>>54207763
I don't mind em and I think they work fine but Im just giving suggestions for the people who want something more "Serious".

>>54207828

yeah the faction definitely has promise. I'd love the rules for the pigs but hate how they look

>>54207931
Again, they could be filed down into Gluttony demons pretty easily. Just file away pig faces and add a demonic jaw.

>>54208031

i'm thinking about greenstuffing all over them since the 50% pp model thing is by volume

>>54207177

Died here locally too.

Fucking shame but between Infinity and now 40k 8th, it's gone.

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>>54143010

Hey guys, I've been playing Warmachine for a bit, and tomorrow I'm introducing a friend to his first game. I was thinking 25 points. Big enough to get in a unit and some jacks but not so big as to be overwhelming.

Can anyone help me with my lists? I'm gonna have us both doing Menoth. I'm looking for as much balance as possible while still having variety. I've got pretty much everything, suggestions?

>>54212236
Begin without a choir. The choir is a more advanced element tgat works if introduced later.

You know even with Ghost Fleet I feel like people still really underestimate infantry in general.
A lot of them can hurt hard if they manage to get the charge.

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>>54212469

Thanks anon. I was thinking of having as little in the way of support possible, just having a simple assassination game with beat em up units. Here's what I've got for lists so far. I plan on building both and then letting him choose which one he wants. Here's what I've got for now, feel free to call me a retard and make new ones:

Malekus
-Castigator
-Repenter
-Revenger
Daughters
Cleansers (max)

Kreoss 1
-Reckoner
-Templar
Errants (max)
Flameguard (min)

Both simple casters that are fairly easy to use but with spells should he wish to be adventurous, good simple units with their own strengths and weaknesses, but everything will still greatly benefit from their caster's feat.

>>54206567
My big problem with the faction is that it doesn't look like a "faction" without conversion works.

Design themes are so fucking all over the place.

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>>54212638
>I was thinking of having as little in the way of support possible, just having a simple assassination game with beat em up units.

Just for some clarification, my theory on this is that if we begin with units that just hit well and that's it, it'll give him enough of an idea of how the game works to then take a look at some of the support units and be like "oh that would have been really helpful, I wanna use that next time!"
We're both big in 40k and he gets super into strategy and whatnot so I think this is a good way to go. I'm also a little drunk right now so please tell me if I'm being an idiot.

>>54212661
Just mildly Rambly.

Good selection of stuff and your idea is good. Next time you play you could "Upgrade" with points allowing to slowly expand support and army lists.