Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

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First for da Orks!

first for understrength unit abuse

>>54141070

Oily custodes are best custodes

So what are the lore implications now that Guilliman came back? Does it mean that things will actually start happening now?

Biovores suck and I hate them. How is it fair that they not only wound landraiders and Ard Case Battlewagons on a 2+ without any save possible, but if they miss they can hem it in and make it unable to advance whatsoever with no way to counterplay? Not to mention almost impossible to kill because of Malenthropes babysitting them in cover.

>>54141097

Hmm I think I'm gonna name My grot HQ "Abuse"

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>>54141096
IF YA SMELLLLLLL

>>54141105

Hi BaconCatBug

>>54141114
>>54141097
reminder to always use the forge world special character grots - you get two of them for 0 points
>not pay2win

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Does anyone have any pics of Primaris Marines in Pre-heresy Emperor's Children colours?

>>54141097
All i want to do with it is buy the specialty drones the more expensive battlesuits can,get, but not buy the battlesuits.

Who needs a Broadside when you can just get 6 missile drones?

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>>54141125
WOT DA BOSS IZ COOKIN'!!!

>>54141125
CAN YA SMELL WUT GORKON RAWMSAY IS KOOKIN' ?

>>54141052
>20pts
uh, no they aren't? Why are you making shit up?

Wonder if the SB discount was made to remove SB SoB from stock.

>>54141157

Holy shit they are also full-fledged characters

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anyone have a link to the imperial munitorum manual

>>54141160
>Does anyone have any pics of Primaris Marines in Pre-heresy Emperor's Children colours?
>Implying anyone wants ChadMarines to begin with.

>>54141157

>0 points so free
>pay 2 win

nani?! geez you baka, desu dishonah

>>54141217

>Add an ‘Other Wargear’ table for the following: ‘Cult icon | 20’

>>54141226
>Implying anyone wants ChadMarines to begin with.
Well. I obviously do. I thought that was pretty obvious.

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>>54141234
YOU GOTZ TA PAY TEEF TO THEM FORGE WORLD BOYS YA GIT

WHY ARE GROTS SO BAD AT MEMES
LITERALLY ONLY GOOD FOR KICKIN

https://mega.nz/#F!CVkVTDqJ!qQfT1437iEAZ5ufmEdG4sA

Commented the errata into the PDFs, for anyone that wants it.

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Does anyone play an army whose lore they dislike?

I love the look of the DEldar and their playstyle seems fun but the over the top edge, even by 40k standards, makes me cringe .

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>>54141160
Hawk Lords do? They are purple and gold.

>>54141255
I am honestly shocked by how many people at the LGS bought Dark Millennium. That thing was sold out 20 minutes after midnight, and it's not even a GW store.

I thought I knew those people ...

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>>54141160
Just a shitty edit

>>54141283
DI sold out across my city instantly but one of the local shops had a bro manager and sold me the display/store box for dirt cheap

>>54141274
Sick! You're doing the Emperor's work anon.

>>54141283
I already have a regular Marine army alongside the Guard. I'm just getting the Primaris because my brother wants to get into 8th after a demo game.

>>54141288
Still looks solid though!

>>54141264
Doing god's work. Hopefully the next OP adds this

>>54141270
I mean, the lore is usually fairly malleable

Just use the models you like and fluff your army as edgy as you're comfortable with. Spike elfs who think the incubi have the right way of going about things will probably be less cartoonishly evil than their compatriots.

>>54141270
Chaos is hit and miss.

When its about 'forging a new future, creating a merging of the material world and the spiritual world' its pretty good.

When its about 'KILL EVERYTHING, even if it is a contradiction' I'm not a fan.

Used to play fairly regularly with my friend strictly for fun but haven't played for a few years. How's this edition look for my retardedly Russ-heavy IG?

>>54141353
>vehicles
Lel.

>>54141353
Unless you're gonna play against tournament level WAACfag armylists, pretty alright actually.

>>54141341
I think the Word Bearers trilogy still is the best description of Chaos yet. The battle and the killing are not the main focus, completing rituals, securing valuable assets and spreading corruption is what counts.

>>54141368
ignore this asshole.
Vehicles are a lot tougher this edition. They have saves now, which makes a big difference, and their is no vehicle damage table to make vehicles useless early.

The slight problem Russes have is that blasts are no longer a thing, so you do need to roll to hit. They also are at -1 to hit sponson and hull guns if they move, but that's better than hitting on 6s if they fire their main gun.

Russ-heavy isn't going to be putting out as much damage as other builds, but is very hard to take down.

>>54141444
Vehicles are also more expensive.

>>54141097
>>54141114
see, much as this meme is amusing, I'm not sure how much benefit you can actually get out of it - you still have to pay points for the whole unit, even the models you don't field.

>>54141469
Not since the FAQ,which is what the whole memery is about.

Guys can anyone give me a better wording to explain to my friend that when a pink horror dies you have to pay for the 2 blue horrors in matched play and same for the brimstone? I just cant come up with anymore explanations even though the both the core and index specifically say it?

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Let's talk about people trying to abuse the Understrength Units rule. I have highlighted the bit I want to focus on and underlined the most important phrase.

If you encounter a player using an understrength unit in their army, according to a 'raw' reading of the rule, they would need to prove to you that they literally do not own enough models to create a unit of minimum size.

>>54141469
Holy fucking shit are you literally retarded? Read the errata you dumb fuck.

>>54141341
>>54141405
The thing with Chaos is.. there are different legions who have vastly different goals, personalities, etc.

Word Bearers are the most "chaos" of the chaos factions. They're the ones who worship it religiously and go full on into the horrific chaos-related stuff, as described there. Its trilogy is the best at depicting that flavour of chaos.

On the other hand, Thousand Sons and Night Lords are very different - One is a legion focused on tzeentchian dickery, knowledge, and magic. The Ahriman trilogy reflects this. Night Lords relish the pain and suffering of others, but their legion is scraps trying to survive. The Night Lords trilogy reflects this.

Then you have the BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD flavour, which is captured very well in the Kharn books - Eater of Worlds, and the Red Path.

I don't think any of the chaos series depict them badly, they just depict them differently - because they *are* different. Iron Warriors series is great, though it has the downside of being reliant on you reading ultramarines books. It's all Graham McNeil though, so can't complain.

>>54141492
And outside of breaking the law to break into his house or to break his kneecaps until he talks, what's to stop him saying "These aren't mine, they belong to cousin Carlos and he says I can't use them to play games."

>>54141492
Well, it says "that you do not have the models" - not that you don't own them. "Oops, left them at home - I don't have them".

It does block you out from running multiple understrength units of the same type, though.

So does people thinking you're a massive cock.

>>54141501
Page 242 – Understrength Units
Change the second paragraph to read:
‘If you are using Power Ratings, you must still pay the
Power Rating cost as if you had a minimum-sized unit,
even though it contains fewer models. If you are using
points, you only pay the points for the models you
actually have in an understrength unit (and any wargear
they are equipped with). An understrength unit still
takes up the appropriate slot in a Detachment.’

>>54141453
somewhat, but their toughness makes up for it.

Taking down transports isn't trivial, and taking down main tanks requires a lot of resources. And before just getting a single pen hit made a vehicle useless in shooting for a turn, now that doesn't happen.

>>54141490
If he still refuses to acknowledge that you pay reinforcement points for splitting horrors, tell him that you don't want to play another game of 40k against him anymore if he is going to go straight up flat-earthers level of denial about a rule.

>>54141519
>>54141524
Exactly. It cannot be proven either way, which is enough, by raw, to not allow them to field the understrength unit at all.

>>54141097
its not all that abusable.
its a clause for people who don't have enough for new unit size chunks.

running 3 units of 1 gaursmen each isn't going to fly in any game.

>>54141528
Are you fucking stupid? Did your dad fuck you too hard when you were a toddler? I said read the errata.

>Page 242 – Understrength Units
>Change the second paragraph to read:
>‘If you are using Power Ratings, you must still pay the
>Power Rating cost as if you had a minimum-sized unit,
>even though it contains fewer models. If you are using
>points, you only pay the points for the models you
>actually have in an understrength unit (and any wargear
>they are equipped with). An understrength unit still
>takes up the appropriate slot in a Detachment.’

>>54141551
Lol and by RaW I can claim my conscripts are Toughness 20 and force a roll off. If I lose, I can claim they are Toughness 19 and force a roll off.

>>54141270

Plauge Marines are to gross for me but I play them. Love Mortarion too much not to play his sons. I get around the grossness problem by only using the new DG models for the new units (plaugecaster, blightbringer, etc), my marines and cultists are done with pre-heresy DG colors. I fluff them as having less obvious diseases. Like restless leg syndrome and sleep apnea.

>>54141559
Are you retarded? He literally just linked the errata and you're quoting it back at him

>>54141559
Yes? You only pay for the models you actually have. If my undersized unit is one model, I pay for one model.

Or are you that lascannon troll from several weeks back?

>>54141524
with that restriction people trying to 'abuse' this are going to run through a lot of hoops to get not much benefit.

Unless I'm really missing something, being able to take one man units of different units doesn't get you much of anything. Slightly higher amounts of special weapons, but you can't spam repeat the same unit for the special weapon.

>>54141576
Except the toughness of a model is provable.

>>54141608
There's a difference between grot oiler hq and spamming cp.

>>54141105
The damage isn't that fantastic, but the ability to completely control enemy movement is incredible. Basically, you either need to be able to fly (or otherwise move through enemy models) or win without moving (guard mortar teams) to compete.

>>54141613
No it isn't. I think they are T20 regardless of what the index says. Roll off or you're breaking the most important rule.

>>54141608
Most infantry have a "one special/heavy weapon per X amount of models in the unit" restriction anyway, so that limits the abuse even further.

>>54141259

Fuck I lold

>>54141613
Like my 3 wound Acolytes?

It is right there in the rulebook I pay for.

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>>54141490
Have you tried reading this to him?

If he's denying this, he's a retard.

>>54141645
I say this is AoS and there's no strength or wound values, and I have 2+ to wound.
Roll off.

>>54141613
Is it?
Where exactly does it say that the number under the letter in unit profiles is the value the unit has for that characteristic?
RaW nothing says that's the case. For all you can prove those numbers mean absolutely nothing

>>54141628
okay, what does that do for you?
you have a super cheap hq... and?
besides trying to get more cp, in return for giving up first turn and potential vp from super weak units.

Forge world forgot harath Shen's armor save does anybody know if it's 2 or 3 up?

>>54141696
It's funny.

>>54141696
Or fit every single one of those single unit inside a transport?

>>54141559
>>54141666
>>54141645
>>54141671
I can only assume people like you never actually get games in.
I'd certainly just walk away from sperges like you.

>>54141551
How the fuck do you come to THAT conclusion? The rules don't say "you have to prove you do not own the models, here or at home". It says "if you don't have them". If you show up and left them at home, you still "don't have them".

I don't like it any more than anyone else, but saying "they are not, by raw, allowed to field an understrength unit at all" is a pretty fucking retarded take on it when the rules explicitly say this

>you may find that you do not have enough models to field a minimum-sized unit; if this is the case, you can still include one unit of that type in your army with as many models as you have available.

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>god made of magic and emotions and shit
>bans magic

WUT

>>54141718
You're just mad you lost and now my gretchin are tearing your berserkers apart in melee.

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>>54141718

>>54141718
The acolyte one was rather bullshit.
Sure 3W was maybe too much, but 1W for an elite choice.

8 bloody points each or a 1 PL for a single bloody Guardsmen Sergeant was a stupid as fuck decision. If they are cucking the W3 of the Acolytes to 1, at least reduce the point cost of the bloody things.

>>54141751
You know the rules.

>>54141669
His stupid ass argument is "Well it says add, when a horror splits hes not adding he's becoming those two models" Well if he's becoming those 2 models why arent you smashing the pink horror in half and calling that a split?

>>54141767
And so do I!

>>54141769
Your counterargument should be "then why does it even say that in the rules?"

If he is going to continue being retarded, just tell him you aren't going to play the game with him while he cheats the rules.

>>54141695

Don't even know what you're getting from this lad.

This is beyond even 'just pretending' territory.

>>54141745
I say I'm not mad.

Roll off.

>>54141713
which is fine. Playing against silly lists like that keep the game fresh.

>>54141715
so now you bought at transport to transport useless models.
And?
I'm still not seeing a thing where 'abusing' this gets you any major advantage.

>>54141734

You just refuse the game.

Why would you even want to play vs someone who is trying to abuse this? That makes them an asshole.

Don't give assholes games anon.

>>54141788
Actually now i feel dumb for not using that simple answer. Thanks anons i just can't understand why the 40k base has such a hard time reading.

>>54141739

I would love to see a version of this picture that isn't for ants.

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>friend bought a Vindicare assassin because he got tired of my conscripts shenanigans
SAVE ME

>>54141766
10pts for a stormbolter, with rerolls to hit and wound against either chaos or xenos.

>>54141803
You bought a transport for the useful shit and fill it with the shit you bought for CP.

It is not a hard concept to understand. Specially when you have to deal with tournyfags and wish to take their money.

Elite death guard (or anything, really), will it work? I don't enjoy painting poxwalkers, and want to see if disgustingly resilient can help carry the game.

>>54141815
I agree with this - if someone's being a cunt, just don't play. I can acknowledge that without pretending the rules as written require them to prove they don't own the models at home (paraphrasing)

>>54141769
He is removing one pink horror model (as a casualty) to add two blue horror models. The Split rule specifically uses the word "add". Point that out.

Then: Tell him the internet thinks he's retarded and knee him in the groin.

>>54141827
Should have bought ratlings.

>>54141769
Called it - retarded levels of denial.

Your friend is being an asshat. The fist line of the Split special rule says "Each time a Pink Horror is slain, you can ADD up to two Blue Horrors etc." There is nothing in the rules about replacing.

>>54141836
BS4+

Side note why the fuck doesn't Ordo Hereticus get the bonus against Imperium.
All Ordos should get psyker bonus, it is part of the bloody job description to deal with those fuckers.

>>54141837
then you have less useful shit in the transport.
All this to get some cp.
Where is the big advantage?

>>54141847
Well to be fair the internet is retarded. the reddit scene is a bunch of cucks who worship shit and shun disagreement. While some of the other forums are pretty pants on head retarded. At least /tg/ has a good mixture of retarded and common sense.

>>54141850
I got ratlings, are they enough? 5 s4 shots is kinda eh

>>54141881
>Getting 12+ CP
>Not a big advantage

Do you even play this?

>>54141876
>BS4
yes?
It's still a storm bolter for 10pts including model. With rerolls in a decent number of situations.

>why not Imperium
they specialize on heritics in the imperium, so people who worship chaos, or are rogue psykers.
But rules wise that may have made it more intersting, you basically pick on of the big thirds of the factions.

>bloody job description to deal with those fuckers.
not really, they all deal with all threats to the imperium, but they focus on specific threats.
And not all focus on psykers.

>>54141901

They won't be enough against my 5 Stormravens

>>54141901
The rending is all that matters. Try and up it to 5 if you can. The Massed sniper shots and +2 stealth save make them character wreckers.

>>54141966
I meant 10

>>54141930
Unless you will have to roll a morale test every single turn, get multiple units charged and charge something yourself, you'll barely be able to spend all those CP in an average game.

And Brother-Captain Stern has had a single reroll each phase for ages, yet nobody ever thought he was OP.

things you want fixed from your codex? had a sort of thing like this going on last thread but I missed it
(CSM)
>legion tactics/flavour
>unique units for khorne/slaanesh
>chaos boon table back
>some way to ignore morale for cultists that isnt abbadon

>>54141930
getting 12+ CP also involves taking a large number of troop choices. You can only do the understrength unit for one unit per type, so getting 6+ troop choices isn't just an easy thing.
Using this for multipe different unit options is going to get you +3 Cp. At the cost of having to find places to fit your tiny units to not give up first turn, possibly giving up extra vp if you get the wrong mission type.

And to be honest, having played against a 12cp army, it's a benefit, but not game breaking.

>>54141827
Take more commisars faggot

>>54141827
cant your command squad do lookout sir n shiet?

>>54142010
Or just take 30 points of Grots Wooooo

>>54141957
>hate flyers in 40k as a mechanic for so long
>in 7th they were good but not many people took them so it was okay
>in 8th you can spam them and they're great
Fucking kill me, flyers don't work in 40k on a 6x4

>>54142018
nope. Nork deddog is the only AM unit able to intercept wounds.

>>54142049
Sadly Flyerspam is the way to win now.

>>54142018
looks like you cant >>54141827
get Nork Deddog then

BOOM, back in tha game baby

>>54142006
>>chaos boon table back

Nobody that I know of wants that shit back. Too much bookkeeping for fuck all effect, no thank you. The chaos boon table was half the reason why 7th edition was the most hated edition ever.

>>54142053
Colour Sergeant Kell would like a word with you, maggot.

>>54142006
This is NewHammer you'll get most of those back. But hopefully not the boon table. I hate seeing my Kharn/Typhus become a Prince/Spawn.

>>54142006
>legion tactics/flavour
almost certainly going to be at thing.
Probably will be the majority of new rules in the codex.
Probably unique stategems, and/or detachments with restrictions.
>unique units for khorne/slaanesh
could happen. But that take new models, so not as easy/cheap to create.

>chaos boon.
Lots of book keeping and slowing the game down. More likely to show up as a thing for campaigns and narrative games. The last part of the new rules.
>ways to ignore morale for cultists that isn't abbadon.
could be a thing.

>>54142010
It is the possibility of the retardation that makes it annoying as fuck.

Already had to avoid marine players for their super autistic nature, now GW added everyone to the autistic super show with this retarded FAQ.

On the flip side anyone that tries that will be for ever culled from a game.

>>54142006

Chaos
>Still can lose to NPC xenos like Eldar, Tyranid, and fucking Tau
>Tau not nerfed into oblivion so I can wreck those kids with my relevant army
>Not enough Chaos releases still, just Deathguard bit but tons of Primaris and marine stuff. Give me models for each csm legion stupid GW

fuck GW

Hey tg, thinking of starting 40k now. Was thinking of a Tempestus army, with a Vindicaire assassin because they look pretty cool. How should I go about building my army? Is there anything I should know about before diving right in? Thanks

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>>54142069
>>54142076
>>54142080
>he's never had kharn apotheosise mid-blood rage and go on to singlehandedly win the game
a shame

>>54141492
Don't be an aspie and just play the fucking game.

If people run a ton of single model units, they are gonna get wrecked in KP matches.

GW choose to take the middle ground and allowed people to take understrength units and added a restriction to prevent abuse.

>>54142054
Can't you just box them? They are basically restricted to moving in a square

>>54142053
I'm thinking about doing some Nork and Straken action. Not sure what else to put in the Chimera. Maybe 2 Command squads with them?

>>54142121
This, my Termagaunts are MVP for killing flyers this edition.

>>54142102
or you could just ignore it because it's not going to actually do anything that big.
I think your the one getting a little anal retentive about this.

It's a molehill. They can be retarded, then it basically doesn't do anything. have them lose just like everyone else who tries to be too cute with list building tricks.

>>54142049
what do I flier spam as tau to be competitive

>>54142006
enclaves stuff back
some internal balance stuff
buff some of the stuff that seems useless (ie sniper drones)

>>54142116
cognitive bias.
That was kinda cool, and has happened. But far more often it just slowed down the game.
You don't remember those particular instances, because they are boring so your brain doesn't store them, but that vague feeling that everything just took to long to move along. That's what shit like that does.

Have it be in narrative games and campaigns, where cool weird stuff can happen and long term build up effects have room to grow, and you aren't just trying to finish the game.

>>54142132
> goes into hover mode
Nothing personal... kid
>blasts you to pieces

>>54142006
Vows for the Emperor's Champion, thats all I want and the fact that he has this wonky 108pts cost makes me hopeful that they might be back.

>>54142116
Please explain, because ive had kharn deal 8 wounds to a Soul Grinder, then kill himself with his plasma pistol.

>>54142146
Broadsides with rocket fists and velocity trackers.

>>54142175
sure get charged by a genestealer mob, i dare you

>>54142054
>>54142121
or just shoot them if you don't try and rely on only units that hit on 5+.

I don't see the problem with sub-minimum strength units. You can only have one, they take up a force org slot while they cost the minimum strength points regardless of models in them. whats the big deal?

>>54142175

>loses airborne rule
enjoy your planes being meleed to death by bugs

>>54142193

not a flier but okay

>>54142006
Non retarded Celestians Squads
Not completely useless Repentia Squads
Faith Magic for everyone.
PE being actually usable outside of gimmick build.

>>54142111
The errata to start as it affects how Scions build.

Otherwise, works well as a mechanized list. Use Taurox Prime well. Plasma is your friend, as are Volley Guns.

I was using Valks but honestly if you're doing Grav Chute insertion you're better off using normal guard for cost.

You can take other AM stuff too. Manticores are your friend, as are Hellhounds. Punishers are the best Russ tanks.

Take at least one Astropath. Use him to buff scions in cover. Laugh cus you have a 2+ save now.

You will never be an assault army so don't try.

Good Lords of War are stuff that fills up your relatively lower amount of anti vehicle. I like Shadowswords personally.

>>54142194
> shoot genestealers with 2 rapid fire hurricane bolsters, dual assault cannons, 2 stormstrike missiles, and 2 multimelta
You made me use 10% of my power
> genestealers mob, now down to 4, charges
> shoot all that AGAIN, on overwatch
> kill two more
> the pathetic group does a hull point or two
> retreat with fly in my turn
Nothing personal... kid...
>blast them off the table with the multimelta, mulch ANOTHER mob with everything else

>>54142194

I love Shadow Spectres for just this - to be in reliable charge range you have to eat 10D6, S5, AP-1 OW that autohits.

>>54142257
Seraphims are surprisingly good at hunting flying crap.

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>>54141827
use the command points to auto-pass morale tests

>>54142257
because a nid army only has one unit to charge you with.
yep

>>54142276
I'm waiting for a chance to have my autarch joist a plane out of the sky.

>>54141827
Walk him behind a vehicle

Does FLG suck? Why are they pushing roll off first turn? In my local meta the consensus is first turn mechanic is fine, you can mitigate alpha strike or even build a counter-strike force.

>>54142283
You can only save a single unit. Decimate two, and one of the two is gonna get fucked by the morale test.

>>54142309
>Aerial jousting
>Between a dude on a jetbike
>And a fucking airplane
>Airplane loses

Top kek. Somebody should draw this.

>>54142255

What should I use for the Taurox Prime? And are veterans with meltas any good? I liked the idea of badass suicide squads blowing things up, but if it's not really that good an idea or use for points then I'll look for alternatives...

Are there any alternatives to psykers, or do I have to take at least one?

Noted on Lords of War. Are Knights good? They looked kinda cool so I was wondering. And is the Vindicaire a good addition to the army, or do I not need snipers?

Thanks again!

>you will never crush enemy lines under a drop-pod before assault termies charge out of it

>>54142257
>You made me use 10% of my power
kek

Death Guard new releases w h e n

>>54142049
>flyers don't work in 40k on a 6x4
I feel the same i got assblasted when they did that pseudo remake of Aeronautica Imperialis with actual 40k flyers.

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>>54142405
>assault termies
> needing a droppod
>not just teleporting into the midst of them in a blur of red, messy gore

>>54142429
I guess about 2 weeks to announcement in proper, after the two new starter boxes alongside Mortarian reveal.

>>54142429
Sunday

>people complaining about horde armies
>They are spelling it hoard

Holy shit what happened to 4chan? We used to have grammatical standards.

>>54142340
I've been hunting fliers with Sammael in my DA army. So far he's gotten a valkyrie and two stormtalons under his belt

>>54142473

You need to start adding tiny Kill decals like a ww2 fighter pilot

Anyone else hooked on the new death guard? Just ordered my second set of the dark imperium dg looking for cool conversion ideas to make my plague marines and poxwalkers different from my first set.

>>54142507
I traded my primaris for death guard.

Why go for two boxes?

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>>54142465
Damn anons, I warned you all.
I told you what would happen if you spend your money on plastic crack instead of an actual education.

>>54142526
I wanted to keep the primaris I have a bit of a thing for collecting multiple smaller armies.

Only the dg sprues this time purchased off ebay.

>>54142465

Phoneposters getting auto-corrected, most likely. I've seen a post that said horde in the first sentence, then hoard in the next.

>>54141827
That's what you get for being a WAACfag.

>>54142465
This has been bothering me as well. It started even before 8th edition was released. I know we're all plastic crack hoarders, but please, it's not that obscure grammar !

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OF COURSE THESE FUCKERS ARE GONNA GO OUTTA STOCK WHEN I NEED TO FINISH MY CSM BEFORE THE KONOR CAMPAIGN

Is there a way to play guard beside conscript spam?

>>54142272
you kill about 10 of them and the other 10 kill your shadow specters

>>54142507
Hey look at this faggot.

He's a reddit poster!

Look and laugh!

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/6l3z1z/2x_dark_imperium_death_guard/

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>>54142405
>>54142445
Good goyim.

>>54142624

Those old upgrade kits are so not worth buying. They're either metal or worse, finecast, and they're smaller due to being older/shrinking after casting. You're better off using 30k parts or something.

>>54142683
yes?

>>54141559
You only have to pay for the full unit if you're using Power. The Points cost is lower.

>>54141492
I read what comes right after
>you can still include one unit of that type in your army
You can't really spam it

>>54142701
Free round of shooting if you pull that stunt.
At every unit that does it.
So either you do it far enough that you're gonna fail (they still get overwatch, and there is a support system to reroll overwatch misses) or you present your asshole to blue Shrek.

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Would anyone have a problem if I used a unified color scheme and emblems for Space Marines, Imperial Guard, and Imperial Knights?
I plan to use all 3 in my 2000+ point armies and I want them to look like a single coherent force.

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>>54142765
Yeah I have a problem.

Wanna fight?

>>54142765
FYI a white stripe on their helmet generally means they are Whiteshields, aka Conscripted youths.

I dont think anyone would really mind what your army looks like as long as its painted.

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Whacha working on /40kg/?
Just finished gluing together this Nob squad
Cause Nobz is better than smaller runtier orks

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>>54142780

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>>54142660
How did you... come by this reddit post Anon?

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>>54142764
>muh whatif scenario
>muh triggered tau pansy
I was just enjoying the visual appeal of assault terminators teleporting into a bunch of unsuspecting enemies.
You take it as a challenge to prove you're a better player with a better army.
Shit like this is why people don't like taufags.

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why the fuck are these things in a starter set? like seriously, I loved painting him, but what the fuck is little timmy going to do with this?

>>54142809
Browsing reddit.

>>54141353
Take pask and pair him with 2 punisher russes for extra fun times (bonus points for tank commanders)

>>54142798
working on a hellwright themed on nurgle/admech.

>>54142833
>mfw I removed most of the dangly or sticky uppy details

>>54142821
Pissing in people's fantasies while blasting j-pop is too good a feel to pass up.
Don't get your panties in a twist.

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I'm really itching to try a spearhead detachment of Old One Eye and 3 carnifexes. Comes in at 401 points if the fexes get 2 pairs of talons each. Does it seem worth it? Anyone try it? Is DISTRACTION CARNIFEX!!! alive again?

>>54142833
>little timmy dips model in paint
>little timmy sneezes on model
>little timmy puts model in his mouth
>little timmy touches model with his boogerpicking/dirtdigging/shitsticking finger
Sounds pretty nurgle to me anon.

>>54142006
IG regiment specific rules. We have reserves.

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>>54142798
Humble scrap terrain here. I'm going through a all odd bits have a purpose on the table phase.

>>54142874
take stone crushers, they will wreck face

>>54142833
If I can suffer through Dark Vengeance at 14 they'll be fine.

>>54142821

why can't he whatif killing your whatif

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>>54142877
you know what, i'm ok with this.

>>54142049
This makes my admech triple Icarus onagers dick hard

Is Reecius a good player?

>>54142936

>bloggers
>good
lel

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>>54142873
>j-pop
>tau
>fucking weeb
Holy shit thats hilarious, you got a pic of your samurai sword while we're at it?

Also
>provoking people for no good reason
>muh inferiority complex
>taufags with tiny dicks

DOUBLE KEK
SO MUCH EDGE

>>54142309
Oh yeah how many tourneys have the Nids won?
Let's that I thought.
Psst. Nothing personal... kid

>>54142884
>hot glue ladder

That made me smile.
The child cancer ward made the best terrain, bless those little bastards.

>>54142765

They can have the same color by coincidence, for example a red Imperial Guard, Blood Angels, and red Knights, but to have a truly unified scheme, with the same symbols and everything, there's only one combination that can have that canonically:

Ultramar PDF, Ultramarines, and a blue Knight house that received Ultramarines honors.

This is because IG regiments typically don't have symbols, and if they do, they wouldn't have a Space Marine symbol unless they happened to be that chapter planet's PDF, such as Ultramar PDF. Knight Houses similarly aren't usually allowed to take chapter symbols, unless they were awarded that right by the chapter themselves.

I suppose if you have a very generic symbol for your marines, like a fleur de lis or a playing card spade, then yeah you can find that symbol on the Knight or IG too.

>>54142928
Always remember anon, nurgle loves all.

does any one know where i can get a blood ravens transfer sheet?

>>54142966
>blogger

I don't understand this meme. Like it's completely inaccurate and nonsensical. It's like if I started spamming.

>Orks are a melee race
>Female Tau don't have vaginas

Don't memes have to be true or at least relevant to be poignant or funny?

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>>54142873
MATE

>>54143025
Forgeworld has a nice one unless its discontinued

>>54142833
He is going to want the play the MUCH SIMPLIER Primaris. That's like the point. Each starter set pushes the newfags toward the more profitable product line.

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>>54142918
Do I really have to waste my time on that when I could just be playing the game instead, or discussing something actually interesting?

>>54142873
J-pop is terrible. Not only does it make you look like a total registered-sexual-offender-level loser, but it doesn't even sound good. At least listen to K-pop or good anime openings so at least you have something decent to listen to while committing social suicide.

I'm trying to start an admech army for 8th, but i'm having trouble understanding some things. For instance, the neutron laser for the dunecrawler is heavy d3. I understand the other "to hit" rolls but don't get d3 and d6 in that context.

>>54143038
>>54142977
Keep crying imperial boys, your tears nourish the greater good.

>>54142909
>Dark Vengeance is 5 years old.
And still thought about it as the new starter a weeks ago. Pretty close to call you underage.

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>>54143073
>implying

>>54142873
Yet japs totally hate Taus.

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>>54143073
>he thinks I actually play marines
Guess again, taufag
>posting such terrible bait

KEK

>>54143045
Yeah Primaris are gonna be the 'Babbies first minature wargame' line. If the Reivers are anything to go by, they'll all be monopose and pre-coloured plastic.

>>54143075
>tfw those 18-22 year olds that made you want to literally murder someone IRL are now nearing their 30's
>the current batch is just a NEW wave of infuriating murder-magnet newfags

>>54141125
WOT DA ORK IZ KOOKUN

>>54143007
Hahahah my gf made it and she used to work with kids and learned that there. That is kinda funny.

>>54143115
Thank you for being so squishy.

>>54143120
>What do you not get about "easy to build"
Have you not seen the vendor anon? GW is going mainstream, these are for normies.

>>54143071
Can someone please clarify for me? the rulebook is, not surprisingly, pretty vague.

>>54143039
it seems to have been discontinued

>>54143189
It's a randomized number of shots. So you roll a dice, and then make that many to hit rolls.

>>54143187
This is a worrying trend. I feel enough of an outsider already, what am I suppose to do when the LGS gets overrun by normies and I'll truely be the only autistic nerd in there ?

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>>54143168
>thank you for being so squishy
>that counter
Damn, you totally showed me. I better give up and concede, since you've really proven your superiority to me now.
Oh golly, how will I ever look at myself in the mirror ever again. You've really made me see how much I should reevaluate my opinion of taufags as immature weebs.
Thanks anon, you've opened my eyes.

>>54143242
So it adds another set of rolls to an attack with that weapon? As in one set of rolls to determine how many attacks, then the "to hit" rolls, then the wounding rolls?

>>54143267
Keep on with the butthurt please, other guy went to cry in a corner after posting his meme.

>>54143280
Correct.

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Hello \40kg\
I'll be playing my first game on friday (Dark vengeance with 8th rules; chaos ). Just in case I'd like it and decide to buy into it:
Melee/magic army, I prefer fewer number of models. Loyalist, Traitor or Filth, doesn't matter.
If it would fall on BA's- are bikes with swords compareable to jump packs? Biker Priest with his dudes and normal Lib attached to Prims or Tacts chilling and buffing/casting- retarded or not?

So my attraction to the dark angels were the lore, the lion, and their secretive nature.

In 7th they had some secret stuff such as Deepstrike and missions. But currently they feel like half whitescar and half grey knights.

Will the codex save us from becoming mundane and has anyone else experienced this?

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>>54143283
Took you long enough to come up with a reply I can actually take seriously.

>>54142936
There are actually no 40k players with a blog, youtube or hand in the few X open events that are good players, all they know is were to find the lists that are broken and print them out.

They have no sense of the damage their attitudes do to the 40k community, how many FLGS had seen massive drops in their 40k players due to "Hey guys look at this broken list/trick" nor why their list creation mentality is counterproductive for the majority of players.

Keep tournament players, lists and attitudes to their containment forums.

>>54143304
Thank you so much! Why can't they write the rulebooks in a way that actually explains things clearly?

>>54143347
What exactly has Reecius done or say that make you think he's a bad player?

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Are these guys worth taking in an iron warriors themed list?

With mortars they are 8pts per model and shoot 48" D6 S4 shots and can fire on targets they cannot see.

>>54143347
>he doesn't know a single thing about competitive or tournament 40k
>he doesn't know 100% of online 40k discussion is implying a competitive meta

Did you think when people talk about what units are "good" or what "tier" armies are in 8E they were talking about playing at the kitchen table?

>>54143371
>With mortars they are 8pts per model and shoot 48" D6 S4 shots and can fire on targets they cannot see.
That hit on 5s

>>54143391
not him, but the amount of noise is not a clear indicator of the feelings of the majority.

Tourny players argue a lot more with each other, and get really angry about things. So they make a lot of noise.

People who play semi-competitively, or casually make up a much larger portion of the store players than the internet noise would indicate.

>>54141739
there's a chaos god of atheism too.

How do I play Tau and not turn into a smug asshole?
Ork player by the way. I hope no one minds my fantasy boyz being used since AoS is cancer and they're still in 25mm gw bases, just squares.

>>54141819
It's khorne in a pillow fort with a sign "no sykers" while tzeentch stares at him

>>54143459
go full in on the hobby - no grey models allowed and rebase your models to rounds

What's the best loadout for a Plague Marine Sergeant?

I play in my basement with friends.

It's hot and humid until fall. I was told that can fuck up priming. Should I hold off on priming my mini until the weather passes?

I have little painting experience.
My Pimaris marines. I want them to have shiny like a new car paint job. Should I buy gloss acrylic or is there an easy way yo get the effect without using craft paints?

>>54143476
>rebase your models to rounds
Not happening buddy.

Hoping to get some CC for the list I built. I built it with fluff in mind, but I'm hoping not to get curbstomped.

HQ
Captain, Storm Shield and Power Sword
93pts

Elite
Apothecary
55pts
Chapter Ancient
72pts
10-man Vanguard Vet Squad, Storm Shields and Power Swords for all
250pts
Honor Guard, Power Swords for both
50pts
Contemptor Dread, Kheres AssCannon and CCW
163pts

Heavy Support
Land Raider Crusader, Hurricane Bolters and Twin AssCannon
287pts
5-man Devastator Squad, 2/2 split Missile Launcher and Lascannon
165pts
Razorback with AssCannon
100pts
5-man Devastator Squad, 2/2 split Missile Launcher and Lascannon
165pts
Razorback with AssCannon
100pts

Each Dev squad gets a Razorback, everyone else crams into the LR and murders whatever they charge, hopefully. 1500pts, 3cp, 77 power. I figure I can drop the Honor Guard and use the points to give my Captain a Thunderhammer and the Razorbacks Lascannon/Plasma combo too.

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>>54143283
>Keep on with the butthurt please, other guy went to cry in a corner after posting his meme.

>>54143498
>that attitude
just start anime posting and play grey tau aleady

>>54143489
Humidity can fuck up water based paints drying process. I am lebanese living by thw ocean and it has yet to fuck me up

>>54143499
If anyone cares, I originally was going to build 30K but no one plays it in my area and with them essentially building 7.5 I won't be able to play against the 40K players moving to 8th. So fuck it. It's a Heresy Era Fists Company with Sword Brethren supported by two Heavy squads and a Dread.

>>54143424
>People who play semi-competitively, or casually make up a much larger portion of the store players than the internet noise would indicate.

Then that still proves he's full of shit with his "OMG TOURNEYFAGS ARE RUINING THE HOBBY" spiel.

What's the best way to varnish models? I'm afraid of fucking it up.

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>>54143394
Would it be a better idea to take a Renegade Wyvern?

Ends up being 93 points base.

>>54143459

I don't understand why playing any army would change you're personality

>>54143548
use some testor's model masters lusterless dull cote, shake the can thoroughly, and apply it on a day that isn't too hot, too cold, too windy, or too humid.

It might have a slight sheen to it right the moment it is applied, but it will be very matte when dry. If there is still gloss in the crevices hit it with another coat.

>>54142401
>What should I use for the Taurox Prime?
Autocannon/missiles have the range to shoot on turn 1 but are weaker than volleygun/gatling afterwards and more expensive.

Melta vets are fine in a transport.

Psykers are only good for the armor spell, its usually an ok include if you have something strong enough to bother with it.

Knights are ok, Warden with fist and Rocketpod is the best setup imo. They are more defensive but have less offense than a Shadowsword tank.

Snipers I think take too long to kill a character.

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After 102 years, the Indomitus Crusade finished.

Between the Damocles Crusade and the Great Crusade, how do you rate Giryman's crusade in results and achievements?

>>54143540
it does, though the lesser point of 'people taking the tourneyfag attitude off the internet and applying it to the local store can ruin peoples fun' is true.
But that's basically a general social failing of not realizing that you are in a different environment than the one you assumed.

>>54143619
heresy/10

Girlyman loves getting pegged by his Eldar waifu

>>54143459
i find the smugger the asshole, the more riptides, ghost keels, storm surges and crisis suits he uses. Hammerheads over riptides and no stealthsuit spam would probably be a good start, with a few Crisis suits appearing, but don't overdo it on the mechas.

>>54142896
As tempting as they look, I'm avoiding FW stuff until I try out more of the regular stuff in this new edition. Nobody in our playgroup really uses forgeworld stuff, at least not lately. I'm just gonna try it. If the fexes really suck, I'll just play as stonecrushers until I convert them.

>>54143619
Ultamar is about to crack. Cadia not reclaimed. Imperium split in half. Total disaster.

>>54143594
Sooner rather than later it rubs off on you.
I now seek to see what bits I can scrounge from anything to make and kuztomize everything else and have a prevalence for spouting the word "waaagh!" and talk in a cockney accent when the game starts. As well as not feeling comfortable without rolling loads of dice, which is what attracted me to tau.
I already got choppy, now I want to get ded shooty.

>>54143522
No Fantasyfag would ever rebase his models or take kindly to that suggestion.

>>54143594
>any army

It's only Tau.

>>54143682
>No Fantasyfag would ever rebase his models or take kindly to that suggestion.
go back to your containment thread then with your square bases. This thread is for 40k

>>54143548

Thinned brush on. If you live in an area that's constantly between 45 to 60 percent humidity you won't fuck up your spray varnish.

>>54143670
Saved Baal though.

>>54143567

I dont do guard but that mortar looks like a good amount of dakka for hordes at 4+ that rerolls failed to wounds

>>54143594
playing an army won't.
Associating with and interacting with people will.
If he starts say, looking for advice his army on forums. Talking in chat rooms. Or all of the other common internet interactions we do in learning new armies, he'll connecting with those assholes.

And there is evidence that interacting with people causes you to take on their mannerisms and viewpoints.

>>54143701
Found the AoSfag.
it's only until I can get more boyz

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>>54143619
>Taking a 10,000 year long nap break

Shit/10, go back to your sissy boy nap time Guilliman and leave the crusading to real men!.

>>54143728

40K Orkz are the worst basic orc infantry models GW makes. AoS, WHFB, and LotR all have superior orc models.

>>54143705
You mean Khorne demons saved Baal....

>>54143728
I'm really torn between making any sensible hobby choice at all and buying a bunch more flash gitz

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>>54143567
I just realized neither Warpsmiths nor Hellwrights know how to repair renegade vehicles, I don't know if it is actually possible to fix them if they get booboos :[

>>54143655
>Girlyman loves getting pegged by his Eldar waifu
I'd trade my entire army to watch that in low resolution

>>54143459
Armies that don't assault seem to foster that mentality. Maybe go for a more close range build, flamers, fusion, breachers, and kroot perhaps. If you take a big suit use the yvahra over the riptide/stormsurge.

>>54143741
I miss 3rd edition era art

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>>54143745

>>54143768

Ill try and find some blue armor

>>54143768
What army do you have?

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>>54143745
As much as I'd love to use these boyz something tells me other people won't be too happy about it.
Isengard a best

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Posted in last thread, gave the Cleaved a go. Tell me why it's bad pls

>>54143594
Have you ever met any Dark Angels players that didn't start to act increasingly homosexual?

Literally the /fit/ army.

>>54143796
Dark Angels

Looking to get into the game now that 8th hit. How do you build your forces? I hear force org made its return. Is it keyword wide? Could I take an Inquisitor ask HQ, Sisters of Silence for troops and transport and Guard/SM tanks and fliers?

>>54143811

Did he get gay because he plays DAngels or did he play DAngels because he's gay?

>>54143804
it's a plague marine, it's supposed to look nasty

it looks bad (good)

>>54143804
The ooze is awful, you're much better off getting the Typhus corrosion and painting that into the joints, might also want to add some Nurgle's rot for variety and thicker ooze.

>>54143804
Looks cool mate wouldpurge/10

>Love the Fire Raptor for limitless Dakka
>Simultaneously love the idea of filling a Storm Eagle with Tzaangors so they can experience flight then vomiting into the enemy

>>54143804
Absolutely terrible.
Reason. Your not Nurgle bro-ing it up with me crushing my IoM playing friends.

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>>54143855
It was a weird mix of Abbadon Black, Caliban Green, and Nurgle's rot for texture. But from the source pictures, it doesn't really seem like Typhus corrosion would have the same effect

>>54143844
both

>>54143330
Khorne Berserkers.

>>54142340
autarch can't do enough wounds on it's own.
But 4 attacks, hitting on 2+ rerolling ones, Wounding on 4+, damage 2, -4 ap.

He'll finish the job.

>>54143347
Most of that was a side effect of sixth and seventh being unplayable garbage meant for tiny babies and NARRATIVE games that we're lol randumb. To win in those editions meant manipulating broken rules and combinations that made the game uninteresting and very hostile to creativity or moderation. A strong tournament environment in a functional and balanced game can do wonders to keep it fresh and balanced while pointing out when mechanics or units are badly written/poorly thought out.

Tournament mentality should be a lot less hostile in eighth, the game is vastly better suited to it than the garbage rock paper scissors and 2 rolls determining the winner that was 7th.

>>54143844
Hard to say. Does a lot of "no homo" stuff more often lately though. He also pokes fun and teases people based on faction choices. Calls all nids players girls, space wolves players furries, etc.

>>54143804
I fucking love it anon. When looking through older editions I too thought The Cleaved look cool as fuck.

>>54143785
It's true tho the sculpts are ancient and loaded with mold lines. They're also barely poseable at all and kinda small because of their age.

>>54143804
Why is the only DG mini people post? Always the dude with a grenade

What is the most vampire count like army?

>>54143991
He sounds like a douchebag

>>54144049
flavor, Blood Angels.
Play, Necrons or nids.

>>54143839

Read the rules

>>54144071
Necrons can be pretty damn close for flavor too, they're competing dynasties of immortal aristocrats leading armies of the mindless/dead.

>>54143682
> Mah square basez
Fantasyfags really try to live up to the fag part I see.
How is your dead game?

>>54144049
>massive hordes led by important figures

Tyranids.

>SKELETONS SKELETONS SKELETONS SKELETAL BEASTS

Necrons

>VAMPIRES RIDING DRAGONS SOLOING ARMIES

Thousand Sons with Magnus, Space Marine HQ spam with Guilliman, or Imperial Knights

>>54143540
Because the WAAC tourney faggot mentality, lists and attitude has no place in pick up games of 40k, unless both players wish to do so.
Both players are there to have fun and enjoy the game aspect of the hobby. There is no reason to make the event unenjoyable for one person by being a tosser.

Now you prove that tourneyfags are good for something aside from making shitty battle reports, army lists and events. All of which the normal, well adjusted 40k player can do on their own, without the goal of internet fame and ad revenue.

>>54143990
>Tournament mentality should be a lot less hostile in eighth
I mean, you say that, but bird spam and flier spam, plus daisy chaining would indicate they are up to their old tricks, because they haven't learned how to play like a normal person.

I'll agree especially with 7th, as balance wasn't a reality with that edition.
What is more important is creating missions that help ensure bullshit armies don't auto-win.
With 8th, 40k stands to bring tournaments back in a strong manner.
This can all be shot down by tourney fags uncontrollably fagging out, something we should voice opposition against.
Thankfully GW, or at least their FB guys seem to be on the ball when shits broken.

>>5414405
>Douchebag
I think you spelt Dark Angel wrong

>>54143330
>Melee/magic army, I prefer fewer number of models. Loyalist, Traitor or Filth, doesn't matter.
GK are exactly what you want. Elite, powerful Melee army with few units were everyone is a psyker.

>>54144037
I chose him because he is one of the simpler DG minis to start with, as well as his arms not blocking his torso so I don't need to paint in parts.

>>54144132
>Both players are there to have fun and enjoy the game aspect of the hobby. There is no reason to make the event unenjoyable for one person by being a tosser.
>your fun is wrong

Do you honestly believe so many people do what they do because they DON'T find it fun?

>>54144132
>With 8th, 40k stands to bring tournaments back in a strong manner.
TOs are just going to homebrew their own rulesets anyway like they have done with every other edition

>>54142401
Mostly answered, but keep in mind melta squads in valks are good as grav chute insertion lets you move after so you can close and half range it. Can do flamer squads too.

>>54144167
>MUH RAW
>MUH BRB
>ALL TOURNIES ARE HOUSERULES

Knights always go first and always get First Blood

>>54144180
And always win kill points.

>>54141559
CONSCRIPT 2.0 ARMY: 2000 POINTS

666 SINGLE-MAN UNITS OF CONSCRIPTS.

>>54144213
one unit. read the rules.

>>54143782
We all miss proper art.
It's not because it is digital art, but modern 40k art lacks soul.

Same with the lore, it is not grim and dark, it is just an edge fanfic tire festival.

>>54144213
Anon, that makes no sense. If you have enough models to field that, you can't abuse the rule that explicitly says you must not have enough models to field a full unit.

Also, it's only one per unit type.

>>54144132
>I mean, you say that, but bird spam and flier spam, plus daisy chaining would indicate they are up to their old tricks, because they haven't learned how to play like a normal person.

The game and meta those things create is still VASTLY less hostile than what was left behind, and if GW sticks to it's plan to errata rules and costs to maintain balance then it'll be a temporary blip as GW plays wack a mole with it's own bad writing.

>This can all be shot down by tourney fags uncontrollably fagging out, something we should voice opposition against.

You sound like someone I wouldn't want to play against... Or even interact with. Maybe work on your own communication before calling others for theirs.

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I'm realizing my army needs some heavy firepower and I aim to correct that

Which is the better choice for bringing the big guns to the table, Deredeo or Deimos Executioner. Heavily leaning towards the deredeo but wanted some insight from those who have actually fielded these or faced them

>>54144258
Technically speaking he doesn't have 666 units. So he can fit 666 single models that he has.

Yes I know it is retarded, anyone that tries that should be left alone for ever.

>>54144253
>soul

That's just a buzzword to mean nostalgia excusing shitty art. Actual good 40K artists are more Wayne England and less John Blanche.

>>54144271
I'm rarely disappointed by my Deredeo. Although it hasn't seen the tabletop in 8th edition yet, I used to get quite a lot of mileage out of mine in 7th.

It got considerably buffed in every way in 8th though.
> Points decrease
> Doubled it's shots
> Gained it's full invuln-save in melee instead of only having a 6+
> Now has a Chaos Variant that gets lifestealing melee attacks, and drops BS to gain additional WS as it takes wounds.

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RGG here. Won but it took me 5 turns to table 6 units. I can detail batrep if you all want but I will say that Typhus is a scary motherfucker and only the Tempstor Prime survived the turn on his side of the board.

>>54144271

Of the two, the Deredeo. I'd choose a Leviathan myself.

Razorbacks actually are more cost efficient for guns and wounds per point than Predators.

>>54144304
>RGG

Don't you mean PGG

>>54144037
I think he's the coolest one.

>>54144301
If a dreadnought variant was capable of performing well in 7th then it has to be all the better in 8th

Which weapons do you recommend, I'm planning on purchasing the autocannon array with the missile launcher

Plasma carronade seems too short range for my tastes and even though the heavy lascannons hit hard it seem that this edition favors quantity over quality of dakka

>>54144319
Already got a leviathan and I just realized since I'm running a dreadnought themed army the deredeo is the obvious choice

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>>54144297
>being this wrong
Even bloody Tau art was better back then.

>>54144333
I get that reference.
Long rep or short summary?

why are all the Phoenix Lord aura's other than Asurman's so meh to terrible.
Jain Zar and Karandras are both very medium. Fuegan Maugan Ra, and Baharroth are just a limited Autarch buff. Baharroth gives leadership too I guess, but is meh for small units with leadership 9 already.

Auras might have actually let them be good, but I'll just run an Autarch who will do more and cost less. Autarchs are at least sweet this edition.

>>54144163
Fun at anothers expense is the WAAC fags mindset

>>54144264
Are you blasted about my choice of words? Grow up son. Tourney fags are called that for a reason, and not for the one you seem flustered over.

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>>54144348
I would still recommend the Autocannons, since their 2-damage a shot means they can slam a target with upwards of 20 wounds a volley. And 2-damage weapons are at a very nice place in this edition, since most multi-wound units are 2 wounds, making them HIGHLY efficient. As they rarely have to worry about overkilling things.

That being said, melee got vastly more reliable this edition, so I would strongly recommend giving the Deredeo it's double-heavy flamers instead of heavy bolters. You won't regret it the first time a squad of deep strikers comes down behind your deredeo, only to get roasted to death in overwatch.

>>54144352
>posts an image from a different artist than that shitty BT art you originally posted
>doesn't know who WAYNE FUCKING ENGLAND IS
>thinks Blanche is a better technical artist than England

Literally kill yourself.