Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

So what really changed with today's errata? I can see some complains here and there.
For Tau all that changed was shield drone nerf, I think technically Longstrike and Ghostkeels got buffed

First for <wu-tang clan> and fielding ten units of one boy.

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WHY DID GW NERF THEM /TG/
WHY

>>54128674
ork klan <Fly> Watch us soar!

>>54128659
What happened with the shield drone?

xth for 8pt 1w acolytes are bullshit

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So can someone explain to me what the lore is on Ork clans?
From what I've read there are only the six clans, and everything else is a tribe. So no more custom clans?

>>54128659
Ynnari rules were changed so that you can now field detachments of non ynnari units with them.

That's the biggest deal I think, besides the tau drone thing.

>>54128681
Tell that to my fucking starcannons!!!

>>54128681

Now they're a glass cannon rather than a dedicated melee unit. I'm kind of disappointed as well.

>>54128642
New thread, excellent. This way my questions won't immediately fall off thanks to hitting the bump limit.

I'm curious about getting into 40K. I have a friend who plays 40K and is really excited about the new edition. But when I was talking with him about it the other night, I didn't get around to asking him how someone might get started.

So, is there somewhere someone brand new to the game could learn about all the different armies to help pick a place to start? And what is the bare minimum to get in a game, even a very small-scale game?

>>54128685
They're useless for soaking wounds from infantry and suits.

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>>54128659


Double dipping confirmed

>>54128695
What do you mean you don't want to pay 18 points more for 12", -3 AP on all wounding rolls instead of just 6s, and 2 less shots?

Fuck it, shuriken cannons all the way.

>>54128713
there's a decent sized community of Tabletop Simulator players for 40k. You can try before you buy (or never buy).

1d4chan gives awful tactical advice, but does have okay summaries of each army.

>>54128685

Drones when saving take a single mortal regardless of the damage and do not make a save.
This impacts shield drones cause they are useless now since they cant attempt a save when savioring
This makes gun drones strictly superior, same cost but has double pulse carbines

The Yncarne and Avatar of Khaine in the same army! Get fucked, bitches!

>>54128681
They didn't because in a special safe space known as an anon's retarded brain he gets to supercede FAQ purely because he paid money for a rulebook and any accompanying indices. So if you go and buy the books you can nitpick which rules you like and which you dont, because you paid money for them. Hell, go on ebay and buy a 1st ed rulebook somewhere. Because you paid money for that, you can use those rules too!

I'm tinkering with a primaris lieutenant, trying different heads and conversions.

What are the loadouts these days? I want them to still be usable.

Power sword and plasma pistol? Power fists? or is it just default equipment only?

>>54128659
>Longstrike and Ghostkeels got buffed
Nani?

>>54128713
The old way of bare bones was 2 Troop choices and 1 HQ. I would try that or get one of those start collecting boxes + a troop of your choice.

As for learning about races, play Dawn of War. Browsing the GW site would be a good way to get an idea too.

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>>54128722
>If a model is equipped with 6 scything talons

>>54128754

Based off what I read
Supposedly Longstrike buffs himself now, giving BS 2+ even when moving.
And Ghostkeel drones now benefit properly from stealthing

>>54126465
Who said guardian spam was a good idea?

>>54128722
>>54128763
>Yet Trygons + HTs with 2+ Talons only get +1 attack
retarded GW is retarded

>>54128760
You need 1hq 1 troop for a patrol.
that + whatever is probably a better start. No reason to give people irrelevant advice.

>>54128742
I'm honestly more interested in lore and painting than how factions play.

>>54128722

>Astartes assault squads storming the lines with all dual chainswords
>Death Company squads armed with dual power weapons

In the name of the fucking God-Emperor

>>54128693
There all sorts of clans all of over the place, it's just that the 6 major ones are the biggest by far. But WAAAGH!s of none major clans have happened before, and non-major clans own all sorts of territory.

>>54128767
Noice. Bought 2 ghostkeels so im excited.

>>54128784
power weapons don't give you extra attacks.

>>54128693
There are as many klans as chapters as you want but then there are the main klans.

Goffs are no nonsense and best in a fight
Deff skulls are all lootas and mechaniks
Blood axes are smartest and most tactical
Evil suns are expert pilots and love going fast.
Bad moons grow the most teeth and are thus the wealthiest
Freebooters are space pirates

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>>54128780
j-just wait for the codex!!! t-they'll fix iiiiiit!

>>54128783
Get lost in a wiki then. Pick one army to read about first, and if it seems interesting to you, keep reading it. Otherwise move onto a new army.

1d4chan and Lexicarnum are both okay for fluff.

Beasts of Nurgle or Chaos Spawn, /40kg/?

>>54128780

Yep, this FAQ had a few outright "yes, we know how we wrote the rules, no, shut up, do it this way we won't change the wording to something that can be played as it's written (because we're too fucking stupid to without fucking it up again)" moments.

Same shit goes for the Battlewagon shit. Why did you bother to write the rule about open-topped transports and their special rules if you're just going to say "it doesn't work" on one of the most obvious, simply play-as-read instances of it in this edition so far?

>>54128760
>>54128781
OK, even some of this terminology goes over my head. I take it an HQ is some kind of leader that every army has to have and a troop is a group of models that share stats?

>>54128798

Alright I can live with just dual chainswords. I can fucking live with that.

>>54128745
Wow, that's awful. What are people even going to with their shield drones now? Tarpit?

>>54128748
Nice to see you totally didn't get upset over it, huh?

>>54128767
>>54128795
They only changed stealth drones so they don't stack.

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>>54128681
>Our electro-priest sale did not go well, you need to buy more of these gay stormcasts.

>t.Game Workshop.

>>54128701
They're not "glass cannon", being glass cannon they need to be actually scary, they're just a turd that can move slightly faster.

>>54128801
HOW FUCKING DARE YOU FORGET THE SNAKEBITES!

hoooo boy!

>>54128841
>tarpit
Exactly. You can still deepstrike drones directly into combat, skipping overwatch, with homing beacons.

>>54128722
So Khorne Berserkers could attack 8 times a turn.

My Seraphim could take 2 S3 d3 6" flamers

Or

Two fucking melta guns

Hhhrrrmmmm

>handflamers to d3

Why?

>>54128835
Each unit in 40k has a battlefield role, being HQ, Elite, Troop, Fast attack, Heavy support, Lord of War and Fortification.

When you make an army, you organize units into detachments which have slots you need to fill with certain battlefield roles.

>>54128832
The battlewagon thing makes sense to me.
It says you get it's modifiers and penalties or whatever but not it's special rules.

>>54128783
Play Horus Heresy then.

>>54128832
that battlewagon faq was fucking infuriating

>>54128854
Oh right, the retarded cosins of da more modern, right finking Ork.

>>54128862
I don't think berzerkers can take dual chainswords.

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Wyches and reavers everywhere! How'd everyone's projects go this weekend?

>>54128180
Can confirm, am undefeated as Ynnari.

>>54128830
Spawn, Nurgle beasts suck now

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>>54128681
WHY DID YOUR EMPEROR DO THIS TO ME, KHARN?!

>>54128917
correct, they could do axe/sword but it isn't much better than sword/pistol.

What are you opinions on Primaris Marines?

I like them and I will build a Primaris Army but at the same time I really don't think GW needed to redesign for bigger marines. Or at least they should have been honest and said "these are the new marine kits, the old ones are being discontinued."

I guess I just appreciate it when people are up front about their intentions.

>>54128961
Man, Angron is tragic as fuck.

>>54128924
A giant pile of Reavers because two boxes of Gangs of Commorragh. Converting some wraithshit to eldar empire robots for elfhammer 20k. Cloaks. So many cloaks. Also 6/0 with spiky elves. This is a good edition to be edgy.

>>54128969
It bothers me that I don't understand chapter organization anymore because of them.

>>54128858
Tell me about this deepstriking gimmick, how does it work?
Because I thought only the units that said they could be placed on a Manta to deepstrike could do so, rather than "anything with FLY".

>>54128990
Yeah I got gangs and a start collecting and man I hope I'm not a dick for fielding all of them at once.

>>54128961
It really does seem that Emps was an unreasonable cunt to Angron to then 11th degree - all the others got stuff from their worlds
Him and Konrad are the only 2 that legit have reasons to turn

>>54128984

>MUH GLADIATOR RAPE BUDDIES
>I JUST WANTED TO DIE WITH MY FRIENDS
>FUCK THE EMPEROR I WILL JAM NEEDLES INTO THE BRAINS OF MY TROOPS AND MAKE THEM FEEL MY CRAWLING IN MY SKIN THESE WOUNDS THEY WILL NOT HEAL

nah fuck him

>>54128990
Also what on earth is elfhammer??

>>54129028
If your dad denied you the right to be the huge cock-gobbling faggot you are, you'd be just as mad as Angron. Thankfully your dad lets you practice ddeepthroating on him so you don't understand why Angron was mad.

>>54129028
>MUH YIFF RAPE BUDDIES
>I JUST WANTED TO DRINK WITH MY FRIENDS
>FUCK THE EMPEROR I WILL STILL USE PRIESTS WITH PSYCHIC POWER AFTER NIKEA
Nah fuck you.

>>54129025

Angron was a petty child who never grew out of adolescence. He had a chance that day to learn the value of sacrifice and lead his Legion into battle on the bed of his fallen comrades, becoming a truly heroic liberator. But no, he constantly bawwed like a bitch and the Emperor ended up having to do the business himself.

>>54129045
>MUH RELIGIOUS TEXTS AND MONUMENTS
>I JUST WANTED TO WORSHIP A GOD WITH MY FRIENDS
>FUCK THE EMPEROR I WILL STILL WORSHIP A GOD/S WHO ACTUALLY DEMAND FEALTY

>>54129047
>Oi "Dad" how come all my brothers got to keep their childhood companions
>How come you couldn't teleport my companions up here
>Why didn't you intervene and save them

>Shut up No12 here's your Legion
If the Emps had used his noggin a little more with Angry-chan, that would have 1 less traitor legion

>>54129058
>>54129045
>>54129028


I want one for each please.

>>54129058
>MUH FORTIFICATIONS ARE BETTER
>I JUST WANTED TO HELP FORTIFY TERRA WITH MY FRIENDS
>FUCK THE EMPEROR AND DORN I WILL BUILD SPIKY FORTRESSES INSTEAD AND THIS ONE IS ACTUALLY A BOMB
Nah fuck you.

>>54129013
You can take drones with lots of tau units, including tau units that deep strike from a manta. These drones are considered part of the original unit until after they are set up on the battlefield.

Stealth Suits let you place a homing beacon. Each turn, you can deep strike set up with the manta rule within 6 inches of a homing beacon, WITHOUT REGARD TO ENEMY POSITIONING.

So you set up your commander in the manta, with attached drones. Move your stealth suit into position near an enemy you want to tarpit. Deploy the homing beacon. Deep strike the commander and drones in, placing the drones within 1 inch of the enemy. The drones are now in combat with that enemy. It can't shoot normally, it must fall back. Also, since the drones separate from the commander, the commander isn't similarly tied down.

Does /tg/ hate the Ultramarines, and why? Or is it just a meme?

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>>54129047
Anon, at De'Sheah the Emperor could have stepped in and fight alongside Angron with both the War Hounds and 10000 Custodians.
But he chose to abduct Angron instead.
He could have earned the respect of the Red Angel by bleeding together, but he chose not to.
And that's the thing: nobody knows why. And when people don't know, they think of the Emperor of being just a dick.

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>>54129075
>MUH FLAYINGS AND CRUCIFIED PLANETS
>I JUST WANTED TO TERRORIZE PEOPLE INTO COMPLIANCE
>FUCK THE EMPEROR I WILL LET MYSELF GET KILLED BY AN ASSASSIN TO SUPPOSEDLY PROVE MY POINT

>>54128854
I have 5 or 6 boar riders from 2nd ed sitting in a bin. Snakebites used to be a regular part of most forces, but now they don't really have a niche except "my Runtherd is a Snakebite..."

I guess my boars count as bikes unless GW brings the unit back.

>>54129075
>MUH MAGICS AND MUH SORCERY
>I JUST WANTED TO USE AMAZING SUPER DUPER WARP STUFF AND DOOM MY ENTIRE LEGION WHILE BEING A MELANCHOLIC KEKOLD
>FUCK THE EMPEROR AND LEMAN RUSS I WILL JUST FUCK THE GOLDEN THRONE UP

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there we go boyos, doom marine all done. still not happy with how he looks (green blob and just super boring imo) but at least i actually finished one

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>>54128924
Decently slow. I've been working on this dude, now all he needs is his pedestal painted and some Nihilakh Oxide to add wear.

So I was looking through FW Chaos and the HF Falchion looks like the dumbest unit in the game. for 777 points, which is a playable amount, you get basically a double IG Shadowsword. Eight Lascannons and a Twin Volcano Cannon, except the Falchion is bs3 and heretic astartes <Legion> so it gets prescience and reroll 1 from a lord. So it can get 2d6 shots of 120" s16 -5 2d6 damage hits on 2+ reroll 1, with reroll wounds against titanic. It can kill a knight in one round.

>>54129104
>MUH FIRST LEGION
>I JUST WANTED TO HUNT BEASTS WITH MY FRIENDS
>FUCK THE SIEGE OF TERRA I WILL BE FASHIONABLY LATE BECAUSE REASONS

>>54129109
That looks pretty dope! Use any special rules for a piece like that or just use him for purrdy cover bonuses?

>>54128801 don't forget them snakebite wild boys. They boast the most grots and squigs.

scout or armored sentinels for gsc? also what weapons/wargear for them?

>>54129127
>MUH XBOXHUEG SELF-SUFFICIENT UTOPIAN EMPIRE
>I JUST WANTED TO RULE ULTRAMAR WITH MY FRIENDS
>FUCK THE IMPERIUM I WILL MAKE A 2.0 IMPERIUM WHICH WILL BE EVEN BETTERER AND MAKE EVERYONE FEEL BAD WHEN I WAKE UP

>>54129133
Thanks! The BRB has some rules for him, I believe it helps with cover.

>>54129108
Very nice. Rip and Tear, my friend.

>>54129077
>Each turn, you can deep strike set up with the manta rule within 6 inches of a homing beacon, WITHOUT REGARD TO ENEMY POSITIONING.
Ohh, because what matters is the beacon only deactivates when the enemy ends their move within 9" of it, right? So you could drop it even closer if it is your turn.
>The drones are now in combat with that enemy. It can't shoot normally, it must fall back
Don't you mean "the units must now fight"? I suppose the Tau are still going first because it's their turn, despite they didn't charge. But what would you want to be in combat with in such a way? Sounds like those drones wouldn't do much and would swiftly die in your own turn from morale, thus simply wasting your drones.

>>54129148
You can tarpit vehicles with this mostly. Units with lots of ranged firepower, very little melee, that can't fallback and shoot.

>>54129109
all you did was drybrush most everywhere and apply some mild wetbrushing to the edges of certain parts of the model.

>>54129171
Go on...

>>54128969
Visually they're much better and I finally have a desire to start an SM army. Lore-wise they could use some work.

But ya, it's pretty obvious Primaris are the future and marinelets are being phased out. They're probably just trying to sell their excess inventory before they fully commit.

>>54129140
>MUH TREASURE HUNT
>I JUST WANTED TO BE A SUPER NICE GUY WITH MY FRIENDS
>FUCK YOU I AM SUCH A NICE GUY THAT WILL BE KILLED OVER AND OVER UNTIL I AM NOT A NICE GUY ANYMORE

>>54129171
Your point?

>Custodes, Pri marines and SM are super human

If one is clearly more super human than the other. Whats the over all difference between them? Whats a good comparison?

>>54129170
How many drones you said are now in combat with the enemy? Because I was thinking Devastator marines and those can still hit back. So, maybe vehicles as you mentioned, or perhaps IG Heavy Weapon teams.
...do people still use those or is the meta entirely Memescripts and Russes?

>>54128969
I like them quite a bit, the DI novel really sold them to me, especially the aggresors which I can't wait to see the model for. They will never find themselves in the ranks of my void brothers, but I think I might make a tiny detachment of totally not traitor true scale traitor marines.

>>54129194
Custodes are to Space Marines as Space Marines are to humans. Primaris Marines are in the middle.

Not even primarchs would fuck with a custode. The primarch would win hands down, but he wouldn't be walking away from the fight in one piece.

>>54129080
Proof that angron could never understand, he traded one good clean death in freedom for an eternity of slavery

>>54129194
Well Primaris have much better tech and 3(!) more organs than the old marines. Not sure what makes the custodes better besides gear.

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>>54129218
He didn't fight for daemonhood, anon. Lorgar turned him into one.
Born a slave, all he wanted to do was to have a warriors death. Now he's sentenced to an immortal life of combat. And he knows it.
That's why he's mad as fuck.

To be completely honest, I don't care about the lore or the scale of the models, I just think Primaris look better and they are more proportional in that they actually have a torso.

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>>54129198
Huh. I didn't realize SoB hand flamers were 2 points cheaper than Blood Angel/Deathwatch ones and had d6 instead of d3 hits.

But even with them cheaper and getting almost twice as many hits I still thought they were bad on seraphim. But now they're shitty for everyone, including the dedicated pistol using jump squad actually capable of using them effectively.

Could have just buffed the BA/DW ones instead. Maybe death company would have gotten slightly better.

>>54129028
The world eaters mostly put the nails in their heads themselves so they could try to become more like their father. Although not like angryman tried to stop them.

>>54129108
That looks really good

How good is DE? The local WAACfag is blowing ass with it. Amazing.

>>54129240
Er, didn't mean to reply to anyone with that.

>>54129258
DE are in a pretty good place atm. so that's kinda funny

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Ork repairs and finishes are coming together at a steady pace. Assembled and painted 12 more slugga/choppa boys (the red ones in the lower right) and finished up a few additions of a shoota unit that is meant to go with some 2nd ed orks with hats and sunglasses a buddy of mine painted back in the day (the dessert camo guys on the right). Got my first battle coming up in a week, and once I get my trukk and Nobz finished (not pictured), I'll have a fully painted army to deploy. Which is an interesting feeling, since I don't think I've every had a fully painted army, always one or two guys not done at least.

I repaired a long busted up 2nd ed era Deff Dread my buddy painted decades ago, along with finishing basing on a few HQ units. I am getting so close to done on major chunks of my army, I'm considering buying a SC box and maybe a burna/loota box to flesh out some undersized unites and just give me more options.

>>54129260
I-it's ok, anon. It's n-not as if I liked that (You) or anything!

>>54129102
Aren't kommandos basically all snakebites?

>>54128642
Why is the FAQ "Tau Tears Edition"? I've seen way more anguish about Acolytes dropping to 1/3rd their previous wounds and some about Starcannons having their damage dropped than anything that hurt T'au. I suppose shield drones are a bit less useful, now?

>>54128969
I don't understand going back to Legion squad set up. There's no reason (other than balance) that Primaris squads can't take special weapons.

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>>54129272
They're Blood Axes you grot!

>>54128854
I dont fink he forgot dat sneaky lot, deyz jus so sneaky he dint fink of em

>>54129272
Blood Axes. Dey sneaky gitz

>>54129218
Angron had no idea he was being led into the grasp of Khorne. He was manipulated.

He saw the Emperor as no different from the ringmasters at the gladiator stages — someone who denied him his freedom to die a man.

>>54129272
Nah, snakebites generally are very low tech. Kommandos just do the snek good. I'd assume their mostly blood axes as stealth is Morea ummie tactic than an orky one.

>>54129274
They're useless now, but players will simply switch to gun drones now.
Btw do you test to wound on the protected unit's stats? For example a Ghostkeel's?

>>54129272
Always seemed more of a BloodAxe thing to me. Though I'm sure you could reason out a cool Snakebite kommando unit, with sort of a primal hunter look to them intstead of looking tactical.

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Is anyone working on converting Primaris to 7th ed rules? Or an 8th ed conversion system?

Not trying to sound like a stubborn cunt, I've just been working on a Kill Team campaign for like a month and we're not sure what to do.

>>54129194

>Marines
Production model

>Custodes
Executive model

>Primaris
Production model II

>>54129283
the little compass always gets me

>>54129266
Is it good enough that you can spam purely dark lances and win?

>>54129299
>>Marines
Volkswagen
>>Custodes
Bentley
>>Primaris
Audi

>>54129295
Yes.

>>54128659
A battleforged tyranid army that contains a single neophyte hybrid as an auxiliary support detachment can take an entire Astra Militarum detachment without penalty.

>>54129303
i mean, in this edition you need to have moving down pretty hardcore. and their other gear is pretty solid as well. But yeah, Dark lances are the tits

>>54128713
Just look at the models on the website and read summations in the PDF army books available at the top of the thread. They're your dudes, you gotta like your dudes for who they are not how they play. Picking an army is some Harry Potter sorting cap shit.

>>54129171
It's actually all drybrushing. Been putting myself on a lighter load since I have been doing about 10 months of painting at least 3/7 days a week. Longest break was about 5 days or so.

>>54128659
Scion Command spam

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So I'm reading the first Last Chancers book and just finished chapter 6. I'm really wondering... does wetback mean something different in England? Because it was unexpected to say the least.

>>54128713
Tell me what class you played most in WoW

>>54129295
It now reads as you testing on the protected unit's stats. And Shield drones do have the TINY niche of being the superior drone unit for the simple purpose of bubble-wrapping characters, if all you're going for is longevity. Whether the tiny better durability is worth the loss of the fantastic value firepower is of course debatable, but it is a hypothetical use. Here's hoping that the codex gives them a purpose again.

>>54129274
My thoughts exactly
Someone is just half assing things

>>54129295
Yep, roll to hit and wound, then decide whether to saviour

>>54128659
What changed is confidence in 8th dropped.

>Gw the most playtested edition ever

>Also Gw lets take these clear RaW rules and faq them to something completely unintuitive undonig the benifits of a streamlined and tested edition and undermine confidence in the new ruleset.

>>54129236
And that's why he attacked the Librarians trying to stop Lorgar making him a daemon, right?

>>54129334
Not them but I'm curious what you'll say. Rogue. Specifically combat/pirate

>>54129334
Not him, but I was a hunter main.

>>54129328

Must be. Although I suspect maybe not since further on they meet Pvt. Tambo, Cpl. Chink, and Sgt. Kike.

>>54129358
>Tambo
?

>>54129377

Sorry, making a bad joke.

>>54129340
The random and arbitrary difference between chainswords and massive scything talking really indicates that they're going to be willing to violate the core rules whenever they want to try and make small balance changes. Which is exactly how every version of 40k ever got fucked.

It's just going to go back to being an unstable and unituitive ruleset if you have to have totally different interpretations for otherwise identically worded effects.

>>54129352
You probably like Ravenwing, have a soft sport for Dark Eldar and spammed Eldar Jetbikes when they were OP.
>>54129355
You like Tau and tend to value troop-based heavy support units (like Daevastators) rather than tanks or other mechanised units.

>>54129391
I had a tauren moonkin shaman

>>54129386

I got what you were going for, but that word I've never heard before

>>54129347
>A
He hated those librarians already, and I doubt he was thinking
>B
I remember it was actually Lorgar who aural projected the fuck out of them and killed their souls.

JESUS CHRIST THAT PURESTRAIN GENESTEALER BUFF

AHAHAHAHAHAH W H A T

>>54129419
by buff you mean made them the same as actual genestealers?

In matched play, am I able to take Havocs with Death Guard? From what I gather you can, they just won't get any Death Guard bonuses.

>>54129429
Now they're 2 points cheaper on top of getting Cult Ambush

>>54129419
They are the exact same as regular Genestealers now, like they should have been.

>>54129432
You can, they just can't be <Death Guard>

>>54129434
They still have to buy rending claws

>>54129437
Except GSC don't pay for rending claws

So Tyranid genestealers are 12ppm, Purestrains are 10ppm and get Cult Ambush for free

>>54129432
You're better off taking a laspred, honestly.

>>54129021
They aren't top tier units and they drip with flavour so fuck the naysayers in the ear with a poisoned chain-dildo.

>>54129439
That's what I thought. I don't think it's a massive downside if they are hunkered down way in the back.

>>54129453
I just saw that and was just about to post correcting myself. GSC Genestealers are still better than regular ones, but only just barely. Good shit.

>>54129328
holy shit that blurb at the bottom, tell me that's an edit.

>>54129037
FLGS is hosting a Fall of the Eldar campaign soon. It's elves vs the world and also vs elves, thus elfhammer.

>>54129459
That's what I'm planning on right now, I just began pondering missile Havocs for some reason.

>>54129465
I mean sure, but they'd just be a group of bitches that were either hired or slave after your goo marines

>>54129403

It's not really in favor since it's archaic, but it's been eclipsed by "nigger" as the go-to pejorative term for black people.

>>54129448

Rending Claws are free in the GSC index.

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Anons I require a name for my Dark Apostle.

Something with a K, maybe?

>>54129476
I did that too, but missile launchers cost the same as lascannons (25pts). the extra firepower that you get over swarm armies is kinda mitigated by lascannon's ability to wreck big shit, which is usually more of a threat. just be careful you not being baited by a distractionfex or some shit.

>>54129469

Are there buffs to genestealers from Synapse? Or is the difference completely unfounded? Possibly they're trying to keep Tyranid Genestealers from eclipsing their other mass melee models.

>>54129493
The 40KKK

>>54129448
No they don't and didn't before. They had to buy scything talons, which are now also free.

>>54129493
Kool Kaos Klan

>>54129493
KULT-KUN THE VERSED

>>54128858
Drones don't have the Manta Strike rule. Unless you mean attached to Crisis, which is the only large source of drones outside the FA type. But then you need to take a lot of Crisis, which are point inefficient compared to Commanders. A large flamer squad might be OK in certain situations though.

>>54129138
Plasma cannons are fun for armoured, otherwise Scout's are cheaper and better.

>>54129470
The last chancers books are probably his best. I unironically enjoyed them.

>>54129496
Synapse gives all <HIVE FLEET> units immunity to morale when within range. So yes.

>>54129496
It's easier to give Fearless to Tyranid Genestealers with synapse, yes, but there are other GSC buffs that are only possible to give to GSC stealers.

Nothing about this change was a nerf to regular Genestealers, it just made the Purestrains even better.

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Thinking about playing Iron Warriors, are there any fortifications worth taking this edition?

>>54129527
Loyalist bastion and defense line are ok, but why build walls when you can tear them down?

>>54129391
>You like Tau
Actually space wolves, but I do love infantry

>>54129415
He calls them traitors seeking his brother's blood and attacks them.

>>54129078
?

>>54129516

I was wondering, because changes across different factions, including unit interactions, but influence the price of certain similar minis and upgrades.

It's "White Room" analysis, where you might as well examine something in a featureless white room than observing its interaction with other units in an army.

Still, as >>54129523 suggests, it seems a little unfounded as to why they are different. Are there other units they interact with differently? Ways that can give them an edge over Pure Strains? Or perhaps they just lack Tyranid's larger, harder creatures and need to be brought up to level to compete?

>>54129108
i like the khaki gun anon, what helmet is that?

>>54129516
GSC cult genestealers aren't <HIVE FLEET> so don't benefit from synapse.

>>54128659

Tau can also now take a single understrength Crisis Suit. You know, that thing we used to be able to just take normally. Fun for a yolo flamersuit

>>54129320
DE must not be too OP then because he was the biggest WAACfag in 7th yet struggling in 8th.

>>54129479
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Tambo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O._R._Tambo_International_Airport

some pejorative lol

>celestine's act of faith ability cannot affect the tanks
Sistersfags BTFO, I fucking told you scrubs they would FAQ that.

>>54129078

Old Mat Ward fluff made them the vanillist of the vanilla, while also the baddest asses. It made them kind of irritating given there were other, more compelling Chapters to focus on, but instead they squeezed the uniqueness out of one Chapter and made it the standard by which all Marines are measured.

If they played up the Roman-ness of the Ultras, and made them as much conquerors and city-builders with a heavy Roman flavor, they might be more tolerable. As it stands, they need their distinctiveness back and the other significant Chapters need to make more of a statement and fluff impact.

>>54129496
GSC Genestealers are an elites choice, they can Cult Ambush instead of deploying normally and are not affected by Synapse or the buff from broodlords, but are buffed by Patriarchs and other units that affect GSC infantry.

>>54129557
As a spiky elf player since elves first grew spikes? Tactics have changed quite a lot from 7 to 8, he'll have to adapt both the lists and the usage. Hell, footslogging elfmob is back after a decade of non-viability.

>>54129316
That was already a thing, that's not new.

>>54129566

Seems I got my pejoratives mixed up. Apologies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sambo_(racial_term)

>>54129557
Dark Eldar were never OP in 7th so if he plays them exclusively, he's probably not that much of a WAACfag. Maybe he has the attitude of one, but Dark Eldar weren't meta at all in 7th.

>>54129545
I'm not sure. But their stat lines are identical so having parity in base cost makes sense as both armies have synergies to get turn one charges with Genestealers or other units. The unaccounted factor is that Rending Claws are free for GSC as there are models that don't benefit as much from them as Tyranids do.


>>54129552
Reading comprehension.

>>54129506

No, they're 2 points now instead of 3.

>>54129453
It's kind of silly that Acolyte Hybrids are now more expensive than Purestrains.

They should have fixed all the points costs at the same time.

>>54129596
He plays DE exclusively now because the Internet told him they're good. He wasn't DE in 7th.

>>54129545
Lore wise, the Purestrains are more effective than the mass produced Hive Fleet Genestealers anyway. It makes sense that they'd be a little better and it helps define the faction a little bit more.

>>54129582
It was in the FAQ, previously it wasn't clear if you could actually include <HIVE FLEET> units in an army that contained Astra Militarum units or not, hence it being in the FAQ.

>>54129623
It's a little weird that the way they chose to make them better was to be completely identical but cheaper in points, though.

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>>54129390
>It's just going to go back to being an unstable and unituitive ruleset

Yep the writing on the wall is clear with the first actuall Faq

Flash Gits and Battle fortress were another, it was clear cut RaW and about as close to RaI as you can get and good ol GW shoot themselves in the foot to faq it just to make flash gits useless again?

I know people who now have rules questions they dont want to ask GW because they dont want to deal with the lolrandom faq rulings even though the rule is simply an obscure RaW. Theyre not even Waac they just want the supposedly competitive ruleset to have some ongoing standardization.

>Let that sink in

Going half and half on effort for a competitive edition is worse than 7th, at least you knew it was an unreloable cluter fuck then, now its one trying to pretend its a ruleset closer to MTG with its pretend universal rules terms and psudo stacks.

Except its not fucking set up well at all.

Were going to see 9th very soon as a patch fix to this cluster fuck same as 6th and 7th,

>>54129631
You don't get Hive Mind benefits, so they are prone to morale rape.

>>54129623
Lore wise they're the same exact thing.

>>54129611
Read the FAQ again, the Talons are 0 now, not 2. The Rending claws are also 0 for Genestealer Cults.

That means a Hive Fleet Genestealers is 10 points +2 points for rending claws = 12, while a Purestrain Genestealer is 10 flat and gains Cult Ambush.

>>54129630
It was clear, just not to people with reading comprehension issues.

Working off of whats in Dark Imperium and those new Plagues Marines we'll be getting, I'm trying to work out a 1k list. 1k just to learn the new edition and how the army goes. I'm just not sure what to spend spare points on, doesn't seem like I have many options.

HQ
Typhus - 164 pts
Malignant Plaguecaster - 110 pts

Troops
7 Plague Marines: 2 Blight Launchers - 175 pts
10 Poxwalkers - 60 pts
10 Poxwalkers - 60 pts

Fast Attack
Foetid Blight-drone - 158 pts

Heavy Support
Chaos Predator: Twin Lascannon, 2 Lascannons - 202 pts

Total - 929 pts

>>54129493
Karl the Kuck

>>54129631
Only if they aren't near a Patriarch, which is pretty much the same as Hive Fleet stealers except the latter have more options for synapse.

>>54129634
>unreloable cluter fuck then

Unreliable cluster fuck

>>54129671
Meant for >>54129644

So what's the deal with Be'lakor? What exactly is he and what's his place in the lore?

>>54129527

triple void missle battery c'mon.

>>54129592

ah that makes more sense, thanks

>tfw they added my Biovore fix to the FAQ word-for-word that I posted here on 4chan
GW actually reads these boards, gents. We should probably shape up our behaviour a bit.

>hellions and scourges can't ride in Raiders

Way to kill my fun gdubs

>>54129704

Can't they already fly?

>>54129702
Tell them to make the Haruspex better than a single melta gun. Its shit for what it costs because 4+ to hit with only 4 attacks.

>>54129724
There's a hundred and one other things they need to fix for nids but it's nice to see at least one of them done properly.

>>54129724
Isn't it 4D3 attacks?

>>54129656
>It was clear, just not to people with reading comprehension issues.
Reading comprehension isn't the reason that question was asked. What the rules clearly say and what GW intend the rules to mean are two completely different, often unrelated things. Basically everyone read Brood Brothers and concluded that it says you can take astra militarum with tyranids.

Which is inconsistent with the previous edition and has no governing precedent anywhere else in the rules. Knowing that GW routinely write rules either outright incorrectly, requiring errata, or in ways that are bizarre and unintuitive it needed a FAQ to determine what their actual intent was.

>>54129737
Yeah but that's still garbage.

Average 8 attacks, miss half of them because WS 4+, they'll kill like 2-3 conscripts a turn. It's pathetic for a creature described in the lore to "devour entire platoons of men in seconds".

>>54129704
>Not expecting that to get fixed

I'm suprised at the lack of butthurt eldarfags complaining that you can no longer have units that are not Infantry or Bikes (aka Wraithknights) do a Soulburst with that one psychic power. Or did the WAACfags already abandon that army now it is no longer auto-win ?

>>54129731
Really? The only outliers I am picking up on are the Haruspex and Hive Crone being total shit.

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>>54129687
Be'lakor is the First Daemon Prince of Chaos, and only Daemon Prince of Undivided. He is called the Firstborn of Chaos because he is the oldest servant/creation of the Chaos Gods.

He has led a rampage across the reality and ruled over thousand civilizations as a dark god. Be'lakor was the apple in the Chaos Gods eyes. Each gods tried to lure him to his service but Be'lakor manipulated the Chaos Gods into grantng him more power and blessings before hitting the road doing his thing rather than the bidding of the gods. Tired of his shit, the Chaos Gods realized the mistake of making Undivided Princes. The Chaos started to elevate Daemon Princes loyal only to them singularly. They siphoned the powers they gave Be'lakor in order to do this. Reduced in power, still remains the greatest of the Daemon Princes. However, he is out of favor with the Chaos Gods and is extremely pissed. Be'lakor now burns with dark jealousy and any champion high in the eyes of the Chaos Gods should beware the wrath of Be'lakor.

Recently Be'lakor has shadowed Abaddon. Helping the upstart to become the Chaos Ascendant so that Be'lakor might steal the destiny that the gods willed for Abaddon for himself. Using that power, Be'lakor plans to topple the Chaos Gods from their thrones and rule the Warp as the ONE ULTIMATE CHAOS GOD.

Be'lakor is the HERLAD OF THE END TIMES and it's said that his hand will usher the end of the galaxy.

Also Be'lakor is one of the most beloved WHFB villains

>>54129567
They did not have to. the tanks clearly do not have the "act of faith" rule. I never thought you could and i did not play that way.

Did they really even need to nerf Scion command squads? They were glass cannons to the max, drop in + kill thing + die.

It defeats the purpose of even having them be an Elite slot instead of HQ.

>>54129746
Soulbursting Wraithknights was a fun idea but Eldar still wreck easy.

>>54129756

Uck foff Carrac.

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>>54129702
>Implying our culture doesnt directly affect every other GW communitie and that you cant watch it spread through them in real time if you want.

They dont come here for us to have the opportunity to speak to them, theyre hear to have their finger on the pulse.

GW fix your rules interactions with embarked units where the rule that interacting comes from a unit outside the transports, cus RaW that works and RaI i have no clue since your first shit Faq with its lolrandom rulings on things that were straight up RaW.

Consistency you fucks.

>>54129750
Crushing Claws are useless on Carnifexes, Hormagaunts are horribly outclassed by almost all other melee troops in the game point for point, Lictors are still tepid crap, Tyrannofex is pointless compared to the Exocrine, nothing in the army can snipe out Characters, I'm sure I could come up with more if I had the time right now.

Hopefully most of these issues will be fixed in the Codex release though.

>>54129737
It's just 4, but you get an additional attack with its good weapon if it kills a model with its shitty weapon, which you won't do, because you'll use its good weapon because that actually makes sense. It's utterly shit, especially at killing hordes of infantry, which is explicitly what it is supposed to do.

>>54129098

I don't think he actually died.

>>54129773
Its shit weapon makes D3 attacks instead of 1.

Is it worth taking Guilliman in a general imperium army

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>>54129765
Worship the Dark Master. WORSHIP HIM!

>>54129742
And this thing is 278 points. Would WS 3+ and 6 Attacks make it worth taking?

>>54129772
>Codex release
Oh boy I can't wait to see what Shitace decides to remove when it comes out in 2 years.

Holy shit my Deathwatch get a 5++ if they have a Terminator in their squad now
Nice, makes my dudes a bit more tanky.

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>>54129621
Oh. My mistake then.

Sounds like cancer. If it wasn't my army, I'd wish him ill.

>>54129298
Maybe don't start working on a campaign 2 weeks before a new edition releases if you can't change system easily. Can you not just play it with 8th edition rules? Besides, primaris stats should just port straight over, they're just 2W space marines with longer range bolters.

>>54129780
Then I guess that Talon did not really manage to reclaim his severed head from M'shen, and somehow the Callidus assassin had a nice cup of tea with Curze while she crafted a look alike that was so realistic that it could fool a space marine.

>>54129783
You right, but it's still terrible.

And also isn't the way it fights completely backwards? Shouldn't it be shoveling things into its mouth, rather than mouthing things into its shovels?

>>54129798
It also means that the second you fail that 5++ your Terminator begins to take wounds and the moment he dies you lose that 5++

>>54129797
>Would WS 3+ and 6 Attacks make it worth taking?
It would go from eating 2-3 conscripts a turn to 8-9 of them, which is pretty decent I guess, but still bad for the points.

But its spammy weapon is D3 damage so it seems like it's designed more for attacking things with multiple Wounds. So idk really what they intend this thing to be used for.

>>54129819
I suppose...
Whats the best optimal kill team for Deathwatch?

>>54129798
incorrect. if you look at the page reference and the datasheet it is referring to is for the Deathwatch terminators unit. it doesn't change the rule in the deathwatch veteran squad.

>>54129814
>And also isn't the way it fights completely backwards? Shouldn't it be shoveling things into its mouth, rather than mouthing things into its shovels?
Yeah, that's another issue I have. Every kill with the weak weapon lets you attack with the big ones, which you don't really want to be using on the stuff you're attacking with the weak weapons in the first place.

It should be more like every model you kill with the ravenous maw lets you make another D3 attacks with the ravenous maw, and also they should re-roll hit rolls against Infantry.

>>54129843
Oh, hm. Okay well, I don't mind that

>>54129833
Conscripts are a fairly bad comparison as they're super efficient wounds. It looks a lot better if you're eating more expensive infantry.

>>54129864
Yeah but nids could use something efficient at clearing out massive blobs of cheap weak infantry, and that's exactly what the haruspex is supposed to be.

>>54129189
>MUH SUPER STEALTH TANK WARRIORS
>I JUST WANTED TO BE A SUPER STEALTH 10 FEET SUPER SOLDIER WITH MY FRIENDS
>FUCK EVERYTHING I'LL GO SUPER DUPER STEALTH AND ABANDON EVERYTHING, NEVER MORE

>>54129833
>So idk really what they intend this thing to be used for.
Smae. You would think at that points value it would be going after heavy vehicles and TEQs but its AP -1 weapon wont kill a Terminator squad before they can swing back and the claws wont do any significant damage to vehicles before they drive away. If it were closer to 200 points it might be cool.

>>54129864
At that point you could just throw some beefed up Warriors at the same targets and get better results. That's a damn shame.

ATS on Tau suits essentially means each suit has a close combat weapon with AP now
So Str User, AP-1, D1

>>54129875
Can't nids use their own blobs of cheap infantry to eat blobs of cheap infantry ?

>>54129875
It'd need drastically different weapons to be good at that.

What can I proxy Riptides as?

>>54129898
Dildos

>>54129898

Maybe FW Riptides, Stormsurge as well if you put in effort
Other than that, proxy as deadweight?

>>54129881
The Haruspex would be tougher so there is that trade off. It's still definitely way overpriced though.

>>54129892
That's pretty much their only option right now, yeah. And the only thing that actually does that cost-effectively is devilgaunts. Which are the least durable infantry model for their points probably in the game.

>>54129898
A 7th edition WAACfaggot cheese army, or eBay after 8th edition hit

>>54129907
How about as a unit from another faction?

Someone gimme a quick rundown on how Tau got even more nerfed?

Where in the FAQ are shield drones even addressed?

>>54129933
Drone Look Out Sir bullshit got made reasonable.

Tau are still ridiculously good this edition, literally don't listen to anyone who tells you they're bad, those faggots were being carried by OP Riptides last edition and don't have a fucking clue how to play this game.

My veteran Sgt can finally take a Storm Shield

But my sternguard still can't have a hammer sarge

>>54129936
Changes to savior protocols.

>>54129936
The Index : Xenos 2 FAQ perhaps ?

>>54129797
All the big close combat monsters suffer from the exact same problems they had in 6th. That being that they can't actually hit anything in close combat, which is even worse this edition since units can fall back. What happens this edition is a close combat monster charges, fails to kill anything, the unit it charged falls back and it gets shot to death by another unit with a couple of special weapons in it.

So yeah for carnifexes, haruspex, toxicrenes, harpies and hive crones, all of those things should be WS3+

If AoS is anything to go by 99% of the datasheets will be reprinted verbatim in the codex releases with only minor adjustments to wording. I wouldn't expect units that are bad now to be any different after the codex comes out.

>>54129973
>If AoS is anything to go by 99% of the datasheets will be reprinted verbatim in the codex releases with only minor adjustments to wording.
Fuck, I'll be so angry if this is the case.

>>54129943
>>54129952
Ah thanks. the formatting of the drones keyword apparently screwed up my search function, kept searching for drone.

>>54129973
>If AoS is anything to go by 99% of the datasheets will be reprinted verbatim
Is this really what happened?

I'm confused lads so Trukks read that they come with a big shoota but the points at the back say model without weapons, do I need to buy a big shoota or does it already have it.

>>54130000
It comes with a big shoota that you have to pay for.

>>54130000
You already have it but you have to pay for it.

>>54129981
Seriously, go look at the AoS compendium warscrolls VS the battletome warscrolls. Very few units got changed significantly.

What you'll get in each codex is a list of relics, warlord traits and some formations. Unit point costs might get adjusted too, don't expect any "broken" units to get "fixed".

That goes for every army.

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>>54129756
>>54129789
>Be'lakor is the HERLAD OF THE END TIMES and it's said that his hand will usher the end of the galaxy.
>can be easily defeated by his ultimate weakness
>rocks
Then chaos is fucked and humanity ascends to galactic supremacy

>>54128832
The battlewagon seemed made as a flash git shooting platform RaW and RaI.

Now with a faq ruling that doesnt even feel intuitive imo, gitz might just be borderline unusable again.

>>54129940
Sounds like a guy I play with from time to time at my shop. He's been bitching non-stop about how he's just gonna sell his Tau because they suck ass now that all the blatantly broken shit he was abusing got nerfed. Like Buffmanders; or BS 5 markerdrone spam, Double Riptides and Suit spam. He played cancer in 7th and still called his Tau bad cause he would occasionally get shit rolls.

I play a literal gimmick army in the MT+Tyranids and I didn't bitch as hard as he does.

>>54129890
It specifies weaponry, not the suit itself. Suits aren't armed with close-combat weapons, so you don't get the -1AP.

>>54129930
Sure, proxy it as a unit of 7 orruk boyz, no more, no less

>>54129940
>Tau are still ridiculously good this edition, literally don't listen to anyone who tells you they're bad, those faggots were being carried by OP Riptides last edition and don't have a fucking clue how to play this game.

lel, tau has been salt everywhere as it bounced all over the tier list
bottom? no, mid? no, top? no, trash? no, balanced? of course not

>>54129756
>Be'lakor is the HERLAD OF THE END TIMES and it's said that his hand will usher the end of the galaxy.
>Beaten up by one understrength company of Imperial Fist rookies
>In the space of two paragraphs

>>54129940
Please enlighten me as to how good Tau are, because as far as I can see, in comparison to about half the other armies, they are dogshit. Doesn't mean I won't keep playing them, though.

>>54130017
Top kek

Those Terradons must have really rocked his world

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>tfw realized that giving my CSM Terminators and other characters Powerfists and Chainfists prevents Death to the False Emperor
Someone please mathhammer which is better against Imperial units, Axes or Fists of either variety?

>>54130015
Well time to homebrew. At least this time around all the Tyranid fixes are pretty straight forward. The only unit that is going to require creative thinking is Lictors. Everything else needs only very minor stat adjustments.

>>54130015
Did anybody actually expect anything different? The first codexes will be hitting way to soon after the indexes to be "balance updates".
Balance updates will happen when there has actually been time to see what is OP etc.

>>54130017
This is the funniest fucking death I've ever seen next to a Hammerhead being wiped out by power swords.

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Dark Angels fags BTFO lol

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>>54129988

>>54128767
>>54128767
Naw, unfortunately, he isn't a "Hammerhead" he is "Longstrike" and only "Hammerhead"s get his BS bonus. Why they removed the "other" I have no idea.

>>54130094
Huh... I think that's quite unintended. They should've just changed the WS.

>>54130138
I cannot believe you actually went to the extent to prove your point but I was going to take your word on it anyway. Fuck all the people saying to wait for the Codexes.

>>54130112
>Did anybody actually expect anything different?
People who haven't played AoS, or people who mistakenly believe that GW actually give a shit about the gaming aspect of their products.

>>54130149
See, but it does do that with the -1 To Hit, effectively making them hit on a 4+. The problem is that DttFE happens on a hit roll of a 6+ instead of a 6. I just noticed this and it's really bothering me. If I had a facebook account I'd ask GW about this, but I feel like they'd go with RAW in this situation.

>>54130145
No, he has the keyword 'TX7 Hammerhead Gunship'. He is a Hammerhead.

>>54130175
Old One Eye.

>>54130172
Yeah I get you, that's why actually changing the WS via the weapon would've been the proper solution. You could always go slaanesh and slap banners all over. Don't recall if termies get 'em though.

>>54130094
Also, on averages, it seems axes are the go-to.

>>54130175
His ability doesn't reference the keyword, so it doesn't matter. They removed the word "other" from the text specifically so that it didn't falsely imply he was a TX7 Hammerhead, because he is not, so that word was unnecessary.

>>54129759
We should really have seen that one coming.

Technically they didn't nerf command squads. They just nerfed the ability to spam shit tons of them.

But to be honest, considering that a platoon commander is 20 points, and a tempestus prime is 50 points, it's really not that hard to still get tons of command squads to spam special weapons. And the prime helps with overcharged plasma anyways. So just pay your tempestus prime tax and you can still deep strike a couple Scion command squads.

>>54130094
Are you really being anal about a fluff-inspired special rule that barely comes into play against a single other faction in the game ?
This is almost as pathetic as that DAfag who was crying that he only gets a bonus against Fallen units rather than all Chaos Space Marines now.

>>54128837
They can't take 2 chainsworss sadly

Death company that is, idk about assault marines

Also does anyone else feel like death company need a buff? 3 attacks on the charge at s4 really isn't that good

>>54129759
We told you the nerf was coming.

Should have probably listened to the people who know what they're talking about.

>>54130175
Because GW don't know how to follow their own design schema they for no good reason whatsoever sometimes have abilities refer to units by the unit name, rather than by their unit keyword. Being a <TX7 HAMMERHEAD GUNSHIP> does not make something a TX7 Hammerhead Gunship.

It's completely fucking retarded. But these rules were written by Robin Cruddace, so now everyone gets to know the pain that Tyranid players have been feeling.

>>54130201
Then why the fuck does he have the keyword 'TX7 Hammerhead Gunship' if he isn't one?

The ability reads:
Fire Caste Exemplar: You can add 1 to hit rolls in the Shooting phase for friendly <T'au Sept> TX7 Hammerhead Gunships within 6".

Longstrike has the keywords Character, Vehicle, TX7 Hammerhead Gunship, Fly, and Longstrike.
He is within 6", he is a TX7 Hammerhead Gunship, and he has the T'au Sept faction keyword.
He is absolutely able to buff himself.

>>54129710
Yea, but T3 5+ kinda hurts. I just thought the idea of a raider pulling up then a bunch of fucking bees flying out is hilarious

>>54130219
No I'm just bothered by it, and I don't know why. Like, I don't particularly care in reality, and I'm going to build my dudes however way looks coolest. Fists seem better because of the multi damage which means against termis and other bigger things they can bring the pain.

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>>54130017
>imperial beurocracy didn't sanction your use of rocks and you get sent to the penal legions after destroying meme'lakor

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>>54130235
>TX7 Hammerhead Gunships
In lowercase, not the KEYWORD font.

See example.

He does not target himself and therefore does not buff himself. They removed the word "other" from his rules text because he is not a TX7 Hammerhead in the first place so it was unnecessary and caused confusion by implying falsely that he was.

>>54130232
This makes absolutely zero sense. Drones can be taken by Crisis Suit units, that does not make them Crisis Suits, because guess what, they don't have the keyword 'Crisis Suit.'

>>54129272
Snake bites breed the best grots and squigs as well as the big stuff like squiggoths.

Theyre boys are generally pretty low tech but theyre tough as hell and they upgun their grots.

>>54130259
>crippling autism : the post

>>54130259
No, 'other' meant that he was excluded. And they key difference in the picture you posted was that it specifies 'Termagant UNITS' and "Carnifex UNITS'.
'UNITS' are the thing being specified.
Longstrike's rule specifies 'TX7 Hammerhead Gunships', not 'TX7 Hammerhead Gunship UNITS'

>>54129072
Reminder these events weren't real and the Emporer wasn't incompetent though flaws of his own.
Some writer needed to fabricate a reason for Angron to fall, which was intended from the start. This was just a half arsed justification.

>>54130285
>the rules don't work the way I want them to work so you have autism for pointing them out to me

>>54130289
It still doesn't target a keyword.

>>54129493
Which Legion?

I wish celestine gave buffs to general imperium units

Seems like a wast to have such a nice model only really benefit the shitty sisters model range

Wouldn't going with the "Admech are completely retarded and don't understand their tech at all" thing be pretty much the same as assuming that the Guard can only do human wave attacks and never use any semblance of tactics, Commissars and Inquisitors constantly shout "Heresy" before BLAMming or calling down Exterminatus at the slightest provocation and that every single Chaos follower is a naive idiot where none of them will ever make it good (as opposed to a few managing, anyway).

I actually don't mind the Admech committing a billion atrocities, check out the Thallax and tell me they honestly care about menials, but losing Billions of Skitarii for no reason is a bit off considering they're actually at a proper scale relative to entire galaxies and sectors, it just seems like GW pulls numbers out of it's ass without even stopping for thirty seconds and thinking "is this within about five orders of magnitude of a somewhat feasible number?" I can see billions of Skitarii being committed to a campaign easily, but not all eradicated by magma that would apparently have done nothing if they were in a Chimera.

>>54130017

Actually, you know it's not him since at the time of that battle he was crowning Archaon who subsequently banished him.

Also Be'lakor cannot use portals and in fantasy he cannot be harmed by anything physical as long as he sees them coming.. It's in the text.

Anyways, Be'lakor DID pronounce his judgement on the WHFB world and it was his Prophecy that toppled the Prophecy and caused the prophecy of the Old Ones to fail and lead the Lizardmen to flee the world, such is his power. And you know what? He is doing the same in 40K.

>>54130076
>his Iron Warrior allies failed and got themselves killed
>the Phalanx was swarmed by Legion of the Lost
>The Chaos Gods refuse to reinforce him and replenish his army

He got screwed over by the plot but its not the last you gonna see of him. 8th ED confirms his role in the storyline. It wouldn't be End Times without Be'lakor around.

>>54130301
Even of you take her alone with your guard she will murder anything you point her at. But yes. Plastic sisters when.

>>54130306
Yes. Doesn't stop people.

>>54130294
It doesn't target units. The only possible thing it can target is models with the keyword, because units are not specified.

>>54130289
Both termagants and carnifexes are bought in units that can contain multiple models. In this instance it's almost certainly the case that the reason it doesn't say "units" is because hammerheads are a single model.

>>54129941
No, but your Scout Sergeant can.

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Read em and weep, mortals. 8th ed is the edition of BE'LAKOR THE DARK MASTER OF CHAOS.

>>54130299
Word Bearers

>>54130321
It doesn't matter if it says units or not. It targets 'TX7 Hammerhead Gunships', which is a thing with its own datasheet on the page directly across from him. It does not target 'TX7 HAMMERHEAD GUNSHIP models', which would include him.

>>54130323
This guys got it.

Has forgeworld said anything yet about putting something in their indexes that would allow chapters and legions with specific army lists like death guard, thousand sons, space wolves, and deathwatch to bring stuff in their books and have it use their appropriate keyword?

>>54130346
Forgeworld FAQ is coming out next weekend so maybe you'll see it then.

>>54130351

First line:
>Fuck guys, we're sorry. We had like 5 days to bang this shit out. Anyway here's Wonderwall

>>54130335
Kagan is an Aramaic name that means priest.

>>54130351
Neat.

>>54130351

The FW FAQ, oh boy that'll be something.
Either we get the War & Peace of FAQs or FAQs that retroactively make the indices worse

>>54130361
>AH SED MAYBEEEYYYYYYY
>YA GONNA BEY DA WUN DAT SAYVES MEEEEEEEYYY
>*obnoxious production continues in background*

>>54130343
Then please explain why Longstrike has the keyword 'TX7 Hammerhead Gunship', if not for the buffs. He has the Vehicle keyword, and the Character keyword, which both affect weapon types and buffs. If he is not a Hammerhead, why does he have its keywords?

>>54130378
>Either we get the War & Peace of FAQs
Yeah, honestly there's so much shit to fix they should recall the Imperial Armour indices and print new ones. If I had bought one I'd be demanding a refund.

>>54130160
Now you can see with absolute clarity the dark future that awaits us.

>>54130335
Kleomene the Poet

>>54130378
Or breaks as many things as it fixes. Or only answers things we figured out, and ignores the most pressing issues.

>>54130388
>Then please explain why Longstrike has the keyword 'TX7 Hammerhead Gunship', if not for the buffs.
Because a ton of models in 8th edition have keywords for future-proofing things that do absolutely fucking nothing.

Deathleaper has the LICTOR keyword even though there's nothing that references it, because he's a Lictor lore-wise.

>>54130406
same with "jump pack" at some point there will be something that will effect "Lictor" or "jump pack"

>>54130391
Their 30k book Inferno has at least as much, if not more shit that needs fixing, including things like tourists not photoshopped out of the ruins they used for their 'in universe' photos. Yet there hasn't been a peep from them clarifying what they're gonna do about it.

>>54130406
Okay, but there is a rule that references TX7 Hammerhead Gunships, and it's on fucking Longstrike, and that's what we've been arguing about. You can't use something that has no relevance when talking about something that does.

>>54130429
You asked why a special character has a keyword that does nothing outside of being there for lore reasons, I provided you another example of a character with a keyword that does nothing outside of being there for lore reasons.

His ability doesn't target a keyword, period, so he has absolutely no way to benefit from it. Just like Old One Eye.

Played my first game of 8th.

As predicted it was terrible.

>Power points made the game mismatched from the start.

>Terrain was meaningless, the swarmlord could be targeted from behind a building because his sword was poking out

>Rhinos were hilariously resilient , taking massed exocrine fire and being charged by an MC and not dying until turn 4

>Nids still suck , synapse is easy to pick out and abuse.

>Units are hilariously swingy and random in what they do. One demolisher round kills three tyrant guard and deals 4 or so wounds to the swarmlord, next turn it kills one genestealer.

>Hordes>everything else. 30 boyz can basically kill anything in the game whereas a carnifex will be lucky to kill a handful of marines.

>Daisy chains , daisy chains everywhere

>Morale was meaningless. Either an army ignores it outright or a squad will nearly always roll enough to ignore it.

>Combats were a confusing mess mostly due to the alternating system of resolution making multiple combats a cluster fuck to play out properly.

How are any of you enjoying swallowing this shit ?

what is a group of mechanicum called like a group of space marines is a chapter, chaos is legion etc

mainly what a group of dark mech are called if there is a name for them

>>54130307
>implying daemons can't be at two places at the same time
>implying there's more than one single and only undivided daemon Prince
>implying rocks being it's weakness wasn't made Canon when he was literally sealed inside one at the end of EoT
BELAKEK FAGS ON SUICIDE WATCH!!!

>>54130450
>>Power points made the game mismatched from the start.
Ahahahaha.

Take a wild guess why I didn't bother reading the rest of your whining.

>>54130429
I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and assumed you were annoyed about the use of unit names rather than keywords for the targeting of rules since that is explicitly what they are for and there's no good reason to do it when keywords exist, but now it's just apparent that you're incapable of understanding the difference between a unit name and a keyword.

So I'll just start calling you names now.

You're a moron.

played a game friday. Tzeentch vs necrons. kairos, LOC, a chariot, changeling, and belakor with about 500 reinforcement points vs necrons with obelisk. We were trying some stuff out, but I'm really liking changeling. I ended up summoning a 30 man horror squad which I was surprised to find out that horrors go to 30. as well as an exalted flamer. one of the funner moments was casting treason of tzeentch on deceiver next to a triarch stalker and nearly killing it.