Gravis Armor

>>54127007
Its termie armor for the Primaris marines.

>>54127007
Pretty much. GW is probably trying to make 2+ saves a unique Termi benefit.

>>54127007
>crotchbling

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>>54127108

>Has a bone over his crotch armor

>>54127007
Exactly. DI litteraly says something along these lines, that it's more resistant than normal PA but not as much as Termie.

It seems GW has decided to make Primaris play really different from SM, they're not just upscaled Marines with clear assault marines or devastators.
Sure enough we have tacticals, but for nox, those are the only troops that seem to pplay in the same way.

I don't know if this lack of similarities is good or bad, more on a fluff point of view rather than crunch. At least SM chapters were standardised and their organisation between Tac, Ass and Devs made sense.
Here, it seems a bit wobbly in that regard. Wait and see.

>>54127007

T5 W2 3+ might actually be better than T4 W2 2+

>>54127151
>with clear assault marines or devastators.
>Inceptors and Hellblasters

>>54127169

It has to provide terminator level strength increase if they can fucking duel wield heavy bolter smg's

>>54127169
From what we've seen Inceptors don't have CC weapons and hellblasters seem to use special rather than heavy weapons.

It kinda changes the dynamic of the battle.
Of course if they're given what I've said above, they will, indeed, be the same.

>>54127151

>DI litteraly says something along these lines, that it's more resistant than normal PA but not as much as Termie.

Sooo, artificer armor?

>>54127540
Artificer armor isn't always more resistant, at least fluff wise. It's more bling first and foremost.

But I guess. Just less bling and more mass produced, since no artificer armor is the same.

>>54127134
>DA let primaris marines join the Deathwing

>>54127134
please don't remind me these fucking things exist. 74$ for a single plastic model is enragingly expensive.

>>54127158
Considering the changes to how AP values work?
Yeah it's objectively better.
Now S8 doesn't wound on a 2+ and most anti-infantry weapons wound on a 5+ or better.

The only thing you miss out on is the 5+ invul but big guys take halos anyway.

>>54130742
Where do you live where they cost $14 MORE than australia?

>>54130802
>tfw Necrons get 2+ and T5 for nothing

The Flesh is weak motherfucker!

>>54127080
Also Honor Guard.

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>>54127493
>From what we've seen Inceptors don't have CC weapons and hellblasters seem to use special rather than heavy weapons.

They both fit the archtype of the unit but not the exact role. Seems to me like Inceptors are meant to be used like Seraphim and Hellblasters are a whole other thing.

It's looking like Primaris Marines are doubling down on a mobility focus, and that's pretty neat.

>>54127540
Well... yeah, kinda. I know lore wise Artificer armor isn't always just better armor, but it seems like Mk X is supposed to be the new and the best, stands to reason it would be on the level of some of the better standard Mk's.

>>54130648
None more faithful famalama

Speaking of Gravis armour, is there a way to build the DI box Gravis captain with a different backpack? From what I can tell, the model doesn't have a similar mounting point as the MkX suit have.

>>54127007

The equivalent of artificer armor for numarines

>>54132698
>AA
>3+ save

>>54132726

numarines dont have relic armor.

In time manlet marines will disappear and numarines will be the only marines.

Gravis is just the artificer equivalent even if the rules are different.

>>54132790
Why do 30k legions get AA, they're nu.

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>>54132895

Because 30k' lore is horribly thought out as it was supposed to be a splendorous age of legends but GW decided to be lazy and make it 40k-Lite

>>54133175
>Because 30k' lore is horribly thought out

Or Artificer Armour is master-crafted power armour, not an old piece of shit that somehow got better as time went on.

Gravis armor is for female space Marines.

>>54133175
These look so bad.

>>54133586
>hating tartaros suit

How dare you insurt grorious forge worrd designu!

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Still the best

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>>54133175
>when the poses are better than what chaos termies get but the models themselves look like shit

>>54127007
It's armour designed to conform to the Numarines ideal, which like many African cultures, sees gluttony and obesity as a mark of privilege and inherent respectability.

>>54127108

>7 pauldrinas
>maybe more

>>54130822
he's a kiwi.

>>54133887
in this case it's plastic's fault.
The tartaros suit can look pretty good.
mostly on pretty boys

>>54132895
because it's a time where the craft was far expanded on.
40k has forgot more methods than they've learned them

>>54134914
So all 30k suits should be 2+?

>>54134894
It's not the plastic, it's the eavy metal paintjob as opposed to the FW studio one. The plastic tartaros are exactly the same as the resin just less chapter specifics.

>>54132523
>Speaking of Gravis armour, is there a way to build the DI box Gravis captain with a different backpack?

Not unless you get rid of or move the ammo box for his wrist gun.

>>54134951
no.
the need for mass production throws a spanner into that work.
Artificer is produced by artisans and given to particular people who have shown themselves worthy.
that's why squad sergeants can get them. It's not that every sergeant has one just that through the several hundred years of nonstop war a number of even low ranking men got theirs (men who would be heroes in 40k).
this is why it's the age of legions.
Every small command has a few heroes of some renown with kit special made for them in their honour, while their fathers, minor gods walk their earth.

>>54134961
i would have thought otherwise.
see the mk 3 are different no?
different leg shape, different proportions.
Either-way such is my point the INFERIOR TO CATAPHRATII ARMOUR can look good when draped in iconography

>>54135006
Well, replacing the fist arm was my intention, but the problem is the ammo belt and drum on backpack. I wanted to keep the backpack intact if I even end up using it something else, which would mean I need to replace backpack with one from another kit.

>>54135037
So 40k just can't produce any form of AA and each and every AA is a relic from the past?

>>54135128
Generally speaking that is a bit of the fluff.
>archaic suits get upgraded over time and become this Hodge Podge relic thing
I'm just trying to explain why it makes sense for an equivalent artificer Armour to exist in 30k.
though really what's the effective difference between producing a new beautiful piece of Armour for one hero and tinkering with another until it's a living tapstry of heavy armour

>>54135209
And I'm asking why Gravis the Primaris Artificer Armour, isn't 2+, to which the answer so far has been "because they're new and not relics."

Does Gravis give +1W 3+ save, or is the +1W from being a chadmarine and it's regular power armour in crunch?

>>54135541
Gives +1T, the extra wound is from being primaris.

>>54134961

Plastic Tartaros are not the same as resin ones

You would know if you actually had resin ones. Just look down behind the kneeplate

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We all know what full-fledged Primaris terminators are gonna look like.

>>54136683
>giving primaris old and busted 30k era suits
>not new hotness suits

Has GW even said there's gonna be Primaris terminators?

>>54136683
Not enough Jetpack on those.

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>>54136683
Why isn't the shoulder mounted weapon already a thing? Termie armor has enough fuckhueg paldron for a mounted plasma gun or something.

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This guy's gun still makes no sense.

>>54136743
What's wrong with it?

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>>54136740
>Why isn't the shoulder mounted weapon already a thing?

But it has been since HH.

>Termie armor has enough fuckhueg paldron for a mounted plasma gun or something.

But you can just as well put it on the arm, thus lowering your profile and giving the gun a finer aim.

>>54136804
Drum Mag on a plasma weapon?

>>54136804

Is it a plasma rifle or pistol?

Why does it have a drum mag?

Why does it need a "magazine" in general if the supply is connected via the wire/tube anyway?

>>54136856
It's a combi-plasma.

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>>54136849
Are you seriously this stupid?

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>>54136856
What >>54136862 said.

>>54136909
>>54136743

the autism required to make something like this, goddamn....

>>54136743
Is this standard Termie size?

cus if so goddamn son

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>>54136841
This is true. But having a storm bolter or a las cannon on your shoulder so you can use a huge power weapon or just more dakka in general would be useful. Also, the whole house pauldron thing has gotten out of hand. Cataphract plate looks fukin silly.

>>54137152
>house
Huge I mean. Fuckin auto correct.

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>>54137152
>having a storm bolter on your shoulder

Or just wrist mount it like Logan and GK, and swing a two-handed weapon with ease.

>lascannon

If you're armed with a big long range gun and a big close combat weapon, you might be overdoing it a bit.

>Cataphract plate looks fukin silly.
>mfw

>>54137152
what a qt

>>54137152
>Get knocked in combat by an explosion or whatever
>Lose all your teeth

nice armor

>>54136683

They even have the ab plating

>>54135396
From what DI goes with Felix the primaris capt wearing it thinks about how it's armor was made more with durability vs small arms in mind as some DG are shooting at him and bolts bounce off even more so then regular PA

>>54137564
What the hell is the time scale of the graph, or the verticle axis for that matter (space marine goodness!?)

>>54133175
Lol, 30k is like 40k except literally everyone plays marines.
Worst part is when I finally decided to give in and try it out I find out they dont have blood angel rules for it yet, like the only legion without them lul.

>>54136683
Oh god I hope so, so badly.

>>54140107
>they dont have blood angel rules

Book 6: Retribution, pg. 258-261. Legion rules, RoWs, etc. You're just missing unique units, which are coming, along with DA ones, in Book 8: Angelus. But it's enough to get you started.

>>54127158
>>54130802

Terminators are better against bolters, krak missiles (just), autocannons, meltas and heavy bolters (just) and regular plasma.

They break even with Inceptors on overcharged plasma.

There may be a combination of Str and AP where T5, 3+ is better than T4, 2+/5++, but it's not one that I ran into on a brief run through of common weapons.

(Note: throw in an Iron Halo and this will change: it will definitely make Gravis better than Terminator armour against Krak Missiles and Meltas. But Inceptors vs Terminators; Terminators win on durability)

>>54130648
I'm guessing the Deathwing Primaris are existing DAs who were given the extra enhancements. I can't picture the letting outsiders anywhere near the truth about the Fallen.

>>54136743
From this angle, maybe. It's a combi weapon so if you rotated it you would see that the other side has a boltgun on it.

>>54130648
>>54140443

1. All Librarians are inducted into the Deathwing. This has always been the case. Because you can't keep secrets from people who can read minds.

2. Remember that the timeline has been advanced more than a hundred years and all chapters were given access to Primaris tech. There will now be Primaris marines who had no contact with Cawl. Some may have risen to the Deathwing in that time (100 years is fast to rise to 1st company, but not impossible).

>>54137564
>calling the cursed founding low

Wow what a fucking slap in the face. They're being put in the same category as the Horus fucking Heresy just for existing. They didn't even put Badab on there.

>Lamenters

Kek

>>54140649
>entire founding being a massive failure
>vs.
>a chapter goes bad

>>54140649

Badab was more or less an isolated but heavily recorded incident in a 10k year history full of civil strife and Astartes on Astartes warfare for which records are mostly lost. Some ultraviolent sisterhood hijacking the Imperial Palace, protecting a corrupt fat fuck who seized power from Imperial justice, and keeping Astartes out is a very big low point - but its not noted that way because of the records and the outcome.

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>>54136743
>James Bond in terminator armour
I'm okay with this

>>54135396
k, because i was responding to >>54132895
i don't give a shit about gravis armour

>>54141246
And if you read the previous 3 posts in the chain, you'd see where the whole thing was coming from:
>>54132790
>>54132726
>>54132698

>>54141110
Brother-Commander Iacomus Vinculum of His Immortal Majesty's Space Marines.

>>54141279
i fail to see your point.
I'm only on about the relic armour.
clam your autism

>>54141319
>i fail to see your point.

Well, if you knew the context of the question, you'd understand it a bit better. Anon was saying primarines don't get 2+ because their armour is not old relics, but new creations. Which naturally prompts the question that if you can only have AA through old armour, how come 30k can have AA when all their PA is new.

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>>54141509
>Well, if you knew the context of the question
The context doesn't matter to me.
> you'd understand it a bit better
I understand it plenty, which is why i called it autism.

i was answering:
>how come 30k can have AA when all their PA is new.
to the best of my ability.
At no point did it have to deal with the larger question and i have no obligation to deal with the larger question.

> Anon was saying
come now anon.

if you want an answer regarding

>>54135396
>why Gravis the Primaris Artificer Armour....
I'd assume that it either has to do with artificer armour being scaled back.
I'm a guard/30k mech player so i don't know about the current marines but if my lack of 4+ vets are anything then you likely are unable to buy artificer Armour.
Otherwise it could be the suit is focused on mobility and supporting gear.
The artificer armours were the least advanced armours generally speaking. Also i hear they get built in weapons and shit.
anyway isn't the gravis the new half termie stuff to begin with. Lexicanum suggests mobility but i can't help you more than that what with the lack of fluff books at the time of writing.

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>>54136683
>modernized saturnite terminator armor
YES

>>54140107
>Lol, 30k is like 40k except literally everyone plays marines.
Thats sounds like 40k to me

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>>54140107
>Lol, 30k is like 40k except literally everyone plays marines.
fuck you
Also cults and militias is the among the easiest armies to play, just take your guard army and move it into 30k
t. mechanicum/cults and militias players

>>54140394

Overcharged plasma is often a very big subject for theoryhammer and 8E discussion, almost like it's this edition's grav, but am I the only player who looks at plasma on default mode 99% of the time? I will never overcharge it unless it's a super desperate measure and the guys are going to die regardless/if I don't overcharge and win, or if I have them near an HQ that re-rolls, which I don't plan on having 100% of the time because game states can change. The aura provider may die, or have to go somewhere else, etc.

that is some ugly ass armor. It looks like a fucking egg.

>>54142525
not a guard player are you?
I've enjoyed my plasma so far
>couple hours ago, plasma assassin scions dropt turn one
>guy snickers you have to shoot the knights (fw knight featuring dark magos in relic capture mission)
>dumped overcharge into it, no losses and widdled it down 8 damage
feels damn good.
And with orders there is no reason not crank up the power

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>>54142563
an egg you say?

>>54142591
It's hard to resist going full plasma, but I like giving my command squads medics.

medics are cool

>>54142591

Marine player. I don't consider MT as "guard" since they're so different, sort of like how most people say "I play GK" and not "I play marines". MT are really fucking strong in 8E. I probably would overcharge more if my guys didn't cost what, 30-40 points after buying the gun?

>>54142669
It's not even that with orders, you chop down to a 1/36 chance of death per model.
and with bs 3+ it's damn solid.
but i can't argue with that.
>13 points for a plasma vet
>16 for storm trooper
and we have medics
and orders it's great

>30-40 points
wait what?
marines get a price hike?
shouldn't it be 20-25 on marinlets or are you rocking hellbasters.

>>54142653
I'm mechanized guard so my elites are filled with steel legion vets. I'd love to take some medics but elite is our most overloaded slots.
But you bring a up a good point
I could run like two vanguard detachments, just shove a commissar, a priest and a tank commander for the minimum size and throw in a storm commander and a command squad

>>54142669
shit i miss understood you.
I do consider them that because i play mechanized and i just shove them in my troop slots.
remains battleforged whatever way you look at it.
also them being their own codex was a bit dumb

>>54130742
Honestly the 2 models that have tempted me into recasters. $60 Aud is too much for 1 dude.

>>54142760

Imperial wargear now costs more for some armies and less for others. It's not global anymore.

>>54142952
we talking like 15 for a plas
ew

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Why even use bolters anymore besides the price?

>>54143530
that's the dumbest point
>why use plasmas when you could arm your entire army with plasma blast guns besides the price
THE PRICE YOU IDIOT THAT AND UNIT RESTRICTIONS

>>54136743

I'm glad for the level of autism that brought this thing into creation. It makes understanding how the helmets work easier for my mind and thus sooths my own autism just a little bit.

>>54134715

Looks like a shitty Scibor miniature.

>>54137564
>black dragons
>literally superior to normal marines in every way
>basically primaris marines before they even existed, but even better than them
>genetically degenerated

wat

That's not how you spell evolution.

>>54143530

Why use anything other than Warlord Titans in all your games besides the price?

>>54141714
>context doesn't matter to me
>which is why i called it autism

Ok...

>>54147969

That's a good idea

Just use nothing but warlord titans

>>54127007
>>54127080
>>54127151
>>54127704


It's the combination of both the improved geneseed and Gravis armor that gives them 2 wounds.

>>54148002
no I'm calling the man responding to me autistic.
It is actually one of the most autistic interactions I've had and we've had a number of autists in my store.
so let's just think about this:
>buttbutt i'm concerned with x
>well you had a question about y so i answered it
>buttbutt you have to answer x you should kn ow x.
>no i don't have to do any of that.
>BUT BUT MY CONTEXT
I really hope this is bait for that fella's sake.
Someone being this thick confuses me

>>54142952

Good, It always irked me how Marines got such better value out of their weapon upgrades in comparison to Guard

>Imperial Guard Vehicle BS:3
Replace Heavy Bolter with Multimelta - 15 Points

>Space Marine Vehicle BS:4
Replace Twinlinked Heavy Bolter with Twinlinked Multimelta - 10 Points

I remember crunching the exact values of these upgrades with a friends and when considering what vehicles actually got these upgrades (Storm Raven) we came up with the conclusion that the Marine players got like 2.7x more value than the Guard player.

who the fuck is Gravis?

>>54136909
That's an impressive work.
However, the concept design for the cape is pretty weird. Why would you put on it some pictures of your troops?

>>54150840
>come into the middle of a conversation to answer a question out of context
>accuse others of being autistic

>>54152131
>accuse others of being autistic
not "others" the anon i'm responding to.
and i've done it quite a lot

Over all i find :
>>come into the middle of a conversation to answer a question out of context
to be a weird hill to die on.

>YOU NEEDED TO TELL ME FOR WHAT GRABIS ARMOUR WORKS BECAUSE I ASKED DAT BEFORE THE POST YOU RESPONDED TO.
>nah
>COMMMMTEXT
fucking hell man the fuck are we even arguing about
aside from slinging shitposts

>>54152793
Yes, "others." Other than yourself. The man who doesn't think the context of a discussion has any bearing on him barging in and starting to reply to posts.

But hey, scream some more, that'll make you seem more reasonable.

>>54153122
>But hey, scream some more
God i wish i had my smug folder still
> you're emotional therefore i'm right

>that'll make you seem more reasonable.
To who anon? I'm just a faceless, nameless poster in a death thread talking to you another faceless nameless poster, who insisted that in order to give my two cents, i need to create a great mosaic integrating something beyond the question i was responding to.
I don't need to know the great context, not that i did not.
You asked a question and i provided an answer to it

>barging into a conversation
what a stupid way to phrase it, this is not plebbit or real life or what have you.
there is no barging, there are no identities.
for all you know i responded to you earlier

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>>54146330
>Looks like a shitty Scibor miniature

U wot m8? Scibor's minis are fucking fantastic, see pic related. The only real bad sculpt I can think of was that one chaos lord that looked like a fucking fridge..

>>54130742
Go home Kiwi, you are fucking retarded and have no concept of Cost of Living.

>>54147929
So, would black dragon primaris have all the genetic mutations, or would they just be normal primaris marines?

>>54130742
The new pricing is absolutely outrageous. To charge so much for a generic monopose marine model is absurd. NuGW my ass.

>>54155814
Kiwis and Aussies get absolutely buttfucked by GW price inflation. It's literally way cheaper to buy from an American store and pay to have it shipped over.

>>54151637
He loves his troops

>>54156018
Prob normal since it stated call fixed everything space furfags and menstrual angels tried to fix

>>54147929
Are you confusing Black Dragons with Sons of Antaeus? Because the Black Dragons were the Wolver-marines with the bone claws and spines and shit, and the SoA were the bighuge tough marines with no canon colour scheme.