Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

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>>54123474
First for the Dark Eldar!

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Can I use this as a Leviathan dread?

>tau tiers edition

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Yarrick vs Sharkan
Who's better for Cons?

>>54123492
>Zombie Drukari

>that hard nerf to Lootas in Wagons

Orks are finished. I'll check back next edition.

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How can xenos and chaos space marines even compete with the primaris?

>>54123507
It is significantly bigger and a custodes model.

>>54123507
Doesn't he have rules in the same fucking book?

>>54123507
No, wrong size, wrong weapons

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>Page 89 – Wargear
>Add the following before the final paragraph: ‘Models in Assault Squads that have the option for a flamer may take a meltagun or plasma gun instead (replacing their bolt pistol and chainsword).’

>>54123521
Lootas were never good, anon.
Orks are a melee race now
inb4 m5

>>54123530
Transports, special weapons and price.

reposting
what the fuck have they done to the void shield generator ?
they completely gutted it's usefulness while doing nothing to the point cost
with a 5+ invuln and a 6 inch range it's literally worse than a skyshield landing pad while costing more both money and points wise

>>54123531
>>54123536
That sucks.
>>54123532
Can't use it in 40k though afaik.

>>54123530
With Primaris marines being shit on the board.

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What will make a better base for an army
- SC box, Trukk Boyz and Ork Warboss Grukk's Boss-Mob
or
- SC box, Optimised Pathfinder Team and Cadre Fireblade

Imperial/Traitor Knight in a 2k match - worth it?

How WAACfag/anti-fun is it? I don't want my local gaming group to think I'm "that guy". I think the models look fucking great and I love inordinate amounts of dakka.

>>54123545
>Orks are a melee race!
>Initiative: -

>>54123521
>Complaining that lootas in battlewagons are nerfed
>When other people have been complaining about ork boy hordes being OP
>Quits over it

Wew lad

>>54123530
Without even trying, currently. Primaris are only barely viable at the moment.

Nio LGS. Is there a generic green stuff I can get at Walmart or hobby lobby?

>>54123530
Death Guard are doing just fine according to Dark Imperium and Genestealers will massacre any unit they charge.

>>54123555
>Can't use it in 40k though afaik.
Heresy doesn't have rules yet. Of course his rules are 40k.

>>54123541
And BA players around the world rejoiced that their models that have been legal for ages are allowed again.

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>>54123541

>>54123511
Harker and Straken because then you have re roll 1s and orders and 3 attacks if you have a Priest too.

Asscan + fist dread - regular or venerable?

RIP acolytes.

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>>54123530
Easily.

>>54123582
if you have the points venerable, because he hits better and is more durable.

What kind of question is this?

>>54123474
It's just me or anybody else can't see the new Designers' commentary in english? I had to download the one in my language to see it.

>>54123530
Primaris Marines are shit. Except Hellblasters and Inceptors. Especially Inceptors. Those units are fucking nasty cunts.

>>54123419 #
>>54123438 #
No. The restriction is that a charging unit may not move within 1" of a unit it did not declare a charge against with its charge move. There's no restictions on attacks since for normal units that's handled by being more than 1" away.

How fast are your games? I feel like I'm constantly rolling and moving and making decisions quickly yet my games take forever. My GW manager got annoyed with me today for taking too long and holding a table up so I want to make my games faster.

Anyone else have long games as Guard?

Can anyone tell me what the point of Land Raider Proteus are? They're 10 points more and you gain nothing, in fact you actually loose the twin heavy bolter over the normal Land Raider.

They seem categorically worse, am I missing something?

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>Moved town across the country for work for a month
>Head to my local game store and book a game for today
>Went in, the kid I was playing was using Blood Angels
>He pulls out his models
>They are just bases with words like "tact bolter" written on them
>No actual model
>He hates painting and cant be bothered putting them together so just uses bases

What the fuck?

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>>54123597

>>54123530
I'm using the primaris out of the box. Only the flying twin HB guys are doing any good. But I only have 3 of them.

I doubt they will be an army by themselves. Not enough Dakka.

>>54123607
People literally can't decide. I've heard literally every unit in the DI box called shit, mediocre and amazing.

Can't gauge how good they are because everyone's had a totally different experience.

>>54123599
Lootas in Wagons were the only playable orks units in 8e or what?

>>54123599
How are you losing?!

>>54123616
Nope, if you just wanna play a game with nothing then you don't get to play at all.

Try Dawn of War 3

>>54123596
What happened?

>>54123559
That tau starter is pretty solid, if you can find an targeted reconnaissance cadre you can drop the optimized pathfinders and fully round out the base

>>54123613
Long turns maybe.
Just make sure that you do movement quickly and don't take too long making split fire choices.
Know all your numbers and the enemies numbers as well.
Speak loudly and clearly so your opponent knows what you are doing and you don't have to repeat yourself.

>>54123614
Don't they have better pintle options? Like a Multi-Melta?

>>54123640
now 1W, not 3.

>>54123625
DG are a dice-maverick's wet dream. Someone with a limp wrist can't get on with DG since they are a very luck-based army.

>>54123616
Gonna need some pics. Tell him you want to get a photo of his amazing army.

>>54123572
Oops, didn't even look at his rules, I just assumed it was a 30k model.

>>54123599
lmao dude just spam boyz, warbosses, and weirdboyz if you want to win

Can Deathguard be competitive without using Pox walkers? I never liked the idea of hordes of meat shields that really can't do much else.

>>54123623
>I doubt they will be an army by themselves.
Captains, Chaplains, Librarians, Apothecary, Reivers, Repulsor tank, and Dreadnought are coming.

>>54123613
movement trays m8

>>54123596
People have to stop trying to make "Inquisition" an army. You play one of the Chambers Militant and add an Inquisitor if you want.

>>54123654
Could have been 2 didn't need to be 1.

>>54123613
Game has been out for 2 weeks for Christ's sake and it's a complete revamp that has left few heads unscratched. For the foreseeable future here will be a lot of doubt, double-guessing and fact-checking on both sides. Your GW manager sounds like a massive faggot, so just buy some paints to get him off your back or something.

>>54123671
The bloat drone is pretty sweet. I would trade the poxwalkers for another drone.

>>54123653

Yeah they can take a pintle mounted multi-melta but for the pleasure of 20 points on a model that already has 4 S9 AP -3 shots seems a bit unnecessary.

They also loose the front ramp.

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>>54123612
>Models that charged this turn can only target enemy units that they charged in the previous phase.

Fight phase, Choose targets, end of last paragraph

>>54123686
For what they are, they should have been 2.
Or, at least, have options for armor.

>>54123671
>I never liked the idea of hordes of meat shields that really can't do much else
Then don't play Death Guard. That is literally their shtick.

>>54123680
Don't forget Aggressors and the Overlord.

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>>54123680
Also Agressors.

>>54123492
best eldar

>>54123613
Time your turns
chances are, you are about as slow as blackstrap molasses

>>54123565
Kneadatite is the generic name, you can buy it by the foot on eBay and Amazon.

>>54123492
*Drukhari

>>54123680
I've managed to fill up to around 1850 with DI box, +1 hellblaster and intercessor, 2 dreads and a Las pred

How the fuck am I supposed to fit any of this shit in?

>>54123551
>Not the rules for VSG at all
Have you tried reading them?

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>>54123671
>really can't do much else.
Get them within 7" of Typhus.

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>>54123530
I have lychguard, it is the children who are cucked.

>>54123680
Ok, my bad. I meant competitive. Not enough dakka at the moment. I love my primaris guys. But I feel out shot by everything. Maybe the jet pack guys will get a box soon. Have 3 squads of those guys laying down fire! 54 mobile HB shoots of doom!

>>54123717
Why does he have traffic lights?

>>54123703
>They also loose the front ramp.
Meaningless in 8th.

That's your answer basically. Proteus is if you'd rather pay for the Multi-Melta than the Heavy Bolter + Storm Bolter.

>>54123717

Are going to be the super devastators?

I'll probably not like them.

>Ahrimans arc killed by Yvraine in few lines
FOR FUCK SAKE, he was the one character with well developed growth

>>54123716
What are those?!

>>54123756
Missile racks. Agressors are armed with some kind of Cyclone Missile Launcher variant and flamers.

>>54123734
newfag pls go

>>54123740
2k is new meta so you should be able to drop those intercessors,dreads and your las pred and be able to add those new toys

>>54123778
Druk

hari

>>54123749
>muh slow tarpit

Useless unit unless your opponent is dumb as rocks.

Hmm anyone else no longer get the 'religious and authoritarian asshole' vibe from Space Marines anymore?

With introduction of so many more Imperial Factions, all those old memes about Marines purging this and that just doesn't shine. Dare I say it, I see them more 'positively', relatively speaking.

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I still can't decide if a Blitza Bomber is worth it
or if I should take moar Mek gunz or Stormboyz

>>54123781
>dropping a Laspred in 8th
why would anyone do this

>>54123793
you brainwashed fasctist

>>54123781
I just only recently bought the Dreads :'(

>>54123768
And now he's a cuck who got rekt by Girlyman's gf, lifes a bitch.

>>54123793
Only some chapters were assholes.

>>54123789
DRUNK

HARRY

>>54123775
Aggressors are a gravis-wearing unit, though not a jump unit. Have shoulder mounted missile launchers and wrist mounted flamers.

Overlord is a dropship for the primaris marines. Possibly around the size of an old stormbird. has two doors like the corvus blackstar.

>>54123807
Dreads are great.

>>54123793
I haven't gotten that vibe since 3rd desu

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One of my first proper paintjobs. Other than the lack of base texture and that unpainted trigger finger, how'd I do?

>>54123741
i fucking have you aidsmonkey , have you ?
Change the Projected Void Shields rule to read:
‘Projected Void Shields: All units wholly within 6"
of a Void Shield Generator receive a 5+ invulnerable
save against any attacks made in the Shooting phase
(unless the firing model is also within 6" of the Void
Shield Generator).’

>>54123793
Black Templars still exist friend. Its just that Ultras have always been one of the most benevolent chapters and the return of Rowboat has put them center stage in a major way.

>>54123735
Idk anon, idk

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>>54123474
Continued from >>54123353

Is this right?

>The daemon screamed from a dozen mouths at once, its convulsions so severe Farsight was hurled aside. The creature’s flesh was bubbling, now, tiny limbs sprouting from a hundred places across its anatomy to clutch spasmodically at the air. Streamers of multi-coloured smoke poured from its skin as it slowly deliquesced, then turned from liquidising flesh and blood into foul-smelling gas. There was a plaintive wail, and the vaporous thing vanished altogether.
>Farsight slumped, his back against the wall, for a few long moments. Then, as his mind began to clear, he shook his head, hauling himself to his feet and staggering over to check on the fallen human advisor nearby. She was badly cut, and livid scorch marks had blistered the flesh around her eyes, nose and mouth, but she was still breathing.
>‘Do you still live, Mamzel Delaque?’ asked Farsight.
>‘I will,’ she croaked in response. As the high commander watched, the scorch marks faded slightly, and the gouges that had been cut into her flesh began to close up and heal over.
>‘Psyker mind-science,’ he said.
>Delaque choked, the sudden cough turning into a laugh. ‘Yes, if you like. It takes a lot to kill the likes of me.’ Her voice became stronger, more certain, as she got to her feet and rearranged her clothes to a semblance of order. ‘And call me Vykola. Vykola Herat.’
>‘Is that your true name, then?’
>‘Yes,’ said Herat, a strange look in her eyes. ‘That is my true name.’

that inquisitor went from imperium spy to defecting to tau, yes a turncoat inquisitor

>>54123793
>authoritarian vibe
Fuck off Marines Malevolent

>>54123851
this is why you don't have your lines so close to each other

>>54123852
She wants the BBC.

>>54123768
Wait What

Ahriman is kill?

How do texture paints react to being stripped?

Got a predator with some around the treads, and I have a feeling it's basically going to turn to sand in the dettol

>>54123793
I play Blood Angels, Salamanders and Space Wolves. So no, especially when I never got that vibe in the first place.

>>54123840
Solid tabletop quality Ork mate. The next step when you want to take it up a notch would be a few edge highlights. Particularly on the sharp angled red and yellow plates.

>>54123800
Blitza Bombers are good for dropping some mortal wounds on large groups or big things. After they drop though, the guns aren't too powerful.

>>54123563
>I don't know how 8th plays

>>54123886
Thanks man. His name is Big Bane, he's the Warboss of the Wazlandas, which is an offshoot of the Evil Sunz, but with a hearty dose of Mad Max mixed in. I'll look into the edging.

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>>54123612
>>54123707
pic for reference

>>54123875
It will come off just fine.

>>54123793
>tipsfedora.webm

>>54123862
It gives zerkers the ability to come from 30" across the table towards your tanks, its not about lines, its about how far they can actually move from combat to combat

That "all wounds moved to drones are Mortal Wounds" change is so fantastic and intuitive. I'm happy.

>>54123800
blitza has great alpha if as long as you have a decent target to drop its bombs on, but the dakkajet is the better all-around choice

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whats the coolest forgeworld sans mars? and why is it Ryza.

wearing swag for the machine god.

>>54123900
...Do they still have some form of the Screaming Descent rule? I always thought that that was really cool.

>>54123907
not talking about charged zerkers, talking about zerkers already in combat

>>54123871
No. Some Rubrick Marines were given back their bodies and souls to troll Ahriman and then Yvraine lulzed the fuck out of the Marines, leaving Ahriman in a state of dumbfounded horror.

This is a turning point for his character — this means that Ahriman might try get into the Black Library by renouncing Tzeentch and reforming. After his semi-rewrite he only ever followed Tzeentch in hopes of figuring how to restore the Rubrick Marines, but now he knows that the source of the reversal does not have to come from Chaos. Or he will go further into oblivion by trying to mindrape Yvraine for the power.

>>54123840
Jobs a good'un boss

>>54123906
Ifz I takez offa da shiny red gubbinz, will 'e croak?

>>54123852
Not the first time, Inquisitors are the least trusted people not only because of their supreme authority, but because of their close encounters with that they hunt.

Hundreds of Inquisitors eventually turn on their own when they've been exposed to too much daemon artifacts and superior xeno science and ideology.

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>>54123930
definitely Ryza

>>54123840
Congrats. You can base coat AND(!) apply a super heavy wash.
Consider the following:______________________________________________________________________KYS

>>54123944
Itz wood propar 'urt

>>54123907
My mistake. You're correct.

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>>54123622
>Re-cropping pictures of foolish gue'la being bested by based O'Shovah.
>Somehow still believes he's made his point

Living proof of Imperial inferiority.

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>>54123931

Nah, just like the Shokk Attack Gun now has no crazy table.

I mean they're both probably more effective now but there is a part of me that misses those tables.

>>54123957
Yoo'z a big git

>>54123956
lets see your minis anon

>>54123935
No issues doing it in that case.

>>54123956
Wow rude. I'll have you know I also drybrushed some Typhus Corrosion on the metal bits.

>>54123922
I mean between your own units. The zerkers can't get their 2nd pile in if they end up over an inch away from your guys after consolidate number 1.

>>54123559
Orks, you lack mecha in tau.

>>54123852
GREATER GOOD'D

>Ahriman
>Trazyn
>Eldrad
>Cawl
team up to steal tzeentch's godhood when?

I wish Trukks still had the ramshackle table. That was awesome.

>>54123986
aren't guard now prone to long conga lines though?

>>54123931
Nah, they got rid of that. But with the new Supersonic rules, the fucker has to move a minimum of 20" every movement phase without stopping within 1" of an enemy unit or table edge, it just dies. And it can only turn up to 90 degrees.

It'll just end up flying in circles for the rest of the game after you drop your payload and your enemy forgets about it.

Is there much point to combi-weapons anymore (other than on models that can't take special weapons like section leaders)?

Just with sternguard you loose the special bolter when you buy a combi weapon and since you'll probably never fire them both I don't see much point to them.

>>54123975
Up youz.

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>>54123793
Yeah they're definitely moving away from the old religious influence and more towards a shiny, smooth and sleek aesthetic. Tacticool is the way forward.

>>54123607
wrong, the only real viable primaris unit is the lieutenant

>>54123956
It's not bad for a first model. No need to be rude to him.

>>54123994
They'd all plan to backstab each other so much Tzeench would trick Ahriman into Backstabbing the others first.

>>54123881
>no religious themes
>Blood Angels
I'll give you the other two though, and Yiffs in particular are about as anti-Imperium as you get.

>>54123622
Spoiler alert:
the good guy wins

>>54123840
Gonna paint his fingernails too?

>>54123991
What if I pick a box of stealthsuits instead of fireblade?

>>54123994
Ahriman would be all rules-fag about everything and would spend all his time explaining the plan and revising it (to counter any possible outcomes) than executing it. Trazyn would spend all his time looking Cawl's cowl for shiny shit to pinch. Eldrad would be high as fuck all the time and mumble about some grand plan to restore the Eldar while shrugging at every request Ahriman makes for suggestions about the plan. And Cawl would be all "How the fuck do Jokaero do that shit? I must know." every time he thinks about a trinket in code.

>>54124037
I might. Once I get some new not-walmart-brand paints.

>>54124035
But, Aun'Va dies

Guys I'm confused

can grey hunters take Boltguns AND chainswords, or does it have to be bolt pistol and chain sword?

>>54124040
Would be good early threat deterrent and objective play but dont underestimate the utility of the fireblades ability and how it can hold an objective

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>play at around 500pts
7th and 8th because my people are still arguing that 7th>8th in everything but want to play games in LGS too
>skitarii/admech
>1 crawler, 1 techpriest, 10 vanguard squad
>soon to be 750 pts upgrades
>want some nice robots or mecha shit but not footsloggers because I think it's not fluffy
>people keep telling me to buy more footsloggers instead of juicy machines

Is it just my wrong understanding and my love for admech fluff (I mean cmon they got the nicest tech stuff all horded by themselves why not use it) or do people want to really help me by trying to drag me away from going full mecha fluff lists which are bad?

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>>54124057
>Bragging of Aun'va's death
>To the Farsight Enclaves

Thank you?

>>54124008
Combi-flamer is a straight upgrade. Combi-melta does give you a shooting option for 12-24", but that's marginal. Otherwise combis are more just about putting special weapons on sergeants and characters as you note.

>>54124068
Chaos Marines lost the ability to take both, you might have too.

Bolt-pistols work in melee now though, so it's non-issue

>>54123711
So you're saying that if I take mostly Plague Marines I'll have a bad time?

>>54124034
I've always thought of the BA being more spiritual and leaning to mysticism than true religiousness.

If you supercharge a Hellblaster Squad's rifles, and you land 1s with a Primaris Lieutenant in range, do the Hellblasters just die from their failed roll or can you reroll?

>>54124084
get the mad dudes that are on tank tracks (they count as footsloggers with the profiles of tanks)

>>54124084
Only one good robot unit anyway unless you bring in a lot of Forgeworld.

>>54124095
It's probably okay, but I've found that numbers are incredibly strong in 8th.

>>54123978
Someone had to bring him down to earth. His model was shit. Get over and watch Duncan. No one has an excuse anymore.

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>>54124016
>Yeah they're definitely moving away from the old religious influence
What old religious influence???

>>54124100
you can reroll if his aura is based on hit and not wound rolls

>>54124111
any half decent paint job > grey models

how many grey models do you have friend anon?

>>54124068
You can take boltguns and chainswords. CSM lost that ability, but Grey hunters retained it.

>>54124068
Yep, they can have both, the option to take a chainsword on every model isn't a swap deal. It's probably the reason they're 1ppm more expensive than tacticals, you're paying for the chainsword GW assumes everyone will take.

>>54124068
Grey Hunters can have boltgun, bolt pistol, and chainsword at the same time.

>>54124040
A tad better, you will need a solid core of fire warriors (read: more than 1 unit) to get the most out of the fireblade.
But if you do that's 36 str 5 shots at 15". With 5 lights they hit on 3's, reroll 1's, and ignore cover too.

>>54124090

How many special weapons can sternguard take now, is it still only two?

I was thinking command squads may be better now, six with four plasmaguns is still doing the business end of the damage but is much cheaper.

>>54124138
So Chaos Space Marines get to "count as" Space Wolves for another edition. Shocker.

>>54124104
Will check those out. Are they decent enough in 7th and 8th? I kinda need to plan for it.

>>54124105
What would that be? Crawler or k.Robots?

Also need to clarify probably that they recommend more Vanguards or Rangers because "dude shooting is so good wirh AdMech" while they play shit like Necron and T'au.

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Anyone found somewhere where you can download this yet?

>>54124084
> still playing 7th
> don't want you to buy the best option (robots)
Are these 'friend's tau or eldar players, perphaps...

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>>54124084
AdMech enthusiast here. for 7th the Kastellans never disappointed me and were always a fun choice. Destoryers and Breachers re also good with either the grav cannons or tesla cannons.

the Vanguard are great in general, i at 1850 i always had three squads of them.

As for 8th... well, prepare to have what's in my opinion the arguably worst army at the moment

>>54124118
ah, I was just thinking about it from memory of the 1 game I've played of 40k. I forgot supercharge was on hit, not on wound, so only the captain could allow for rerolls of it.

>>54123840
Model needs to be cleaned up. Like red paint on metal areas, brown on the skin, etc. Not too hard.

Edge highlighting will bring it up a notch. Rework on the yellow, looks way too dirty.

You're on the right track. You'll only get better from here.

>>54124156
Kastellen Robots. My favorite unit at least, Crawlers are just tanks.

They probably want you to have more bodies, too many elite units means less models and easier to deal with. Especially when objectives are in play and you can't move your slow robots that fast across the map and so on.

If anything, go with Servitors, they're still braindead robots.

>>54124164
Kek, yes one plays T'au, one necrons, another orcs/necrons and the last csm/DA. And man I love the robots. They seem cool.

>>54124165
Thanks man, really appreaciating! Any reason you find AdMech bad in 8th? So far I had my usual success with them.

>>54124125
A lot! I am still painting them. I don't play unless fully painted and based. You know, so my army doesn't look like shit, and ruin the experience for myself and my opponent. Plus, if your army is fully painted, based, AND fluffy, and younger playing some try hard with a net list and shit looking models, you win before the game even starts. And the opponent knows it too.

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>>54123616
That's how a friend and I used to play warhammer while on the road for work.

Bases and papertape.

>>54124095
Plague Marines are hard as fuck. They should be used in 1 of two ways:

1. To stymie an enemy's advance to objectives — you use their tankiness as breakwaters to prevent an enemy from advancing to objectives, or to relieve pressure from your other units that are heading to or holding an objective.

2 To sit on objectives — you build a lot of fast/numerous shit to draw enemy fire while you use Plague Marines to go to objectives, or you send your PM's quickly to objectives and use the rest of your army to support them. These bulk units can use summons to further delay the enemy advance while your Plague Marines flank and sit on objectives while picking off enemy units seeking to do the same. Once a unit of Plague Marines is sat on an objective they are very hard to dislodge. This is only compounded if the objective is in cover.

PM-only armies are very weak in 8th because they do die to massive amounts of firepower. A PM army should always have a greater daemon or a DP with wings, both is preferable. A T7 W8/10 DP is a fucking bitch to deal with.

>>54124165
>arguably the worst army
>haven't seen them lose a batrep yet

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>>54124195
>Alpha Legion
>Not Iron Warriors

cute

>>54124223
Who is this drawfag? I need seeing their art everywhere but I dunno what their DA is or w/e

>>54124216
>youtubers are mentally I manchildren that get rules wrong
That's also a factor.

>>54124183
Yea. We played with mysterious objectives last time and I had a hard time getting to any of the and scoring points. I mean TechPriest is sturdy but moving alone with him because your Vanguards is blown the fuck away whenever you move in the open sucks for the kind of play. Can the servitors take objectives on their own? They could be a neat addition then.

>>54124216
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIOc_HulB8g

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>>54124229

>>54124093
>>54124134
>>54124138
>>54124136

Thanks guys I was worried I'd made a huge mistake when assembling earlier.

>>54124229

It's official rule book art you stupid faggot

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I bought this a while back and models keep sliding off of it.

Is this preventable? I've already tried a matte coat.

>>54124165
> ADMECH so bad now
What are kastlan robots, neutron lasers, fucking CAWL, cheap easily available snipers, even better plasma, mortal wound spam priests again? Oh yeah that's right, shut the fuck up. Admech are nowhere near the 'worst army'. Sorry you lost your broken ass war convo you WAACfag

>he doesn't run 5 commanders and 1 fireblade
Explain yourself.

>>54124229
Official forgeworld art

>>54124235
Anything can take objectives, but they do count as troops for 7th. But in 8th, it matters how many dudes you can fit on the objective to capture it.

>>54124195
Why are AL players like this, why do their think their guys are such hot shit? Is it roleplay?

>>54124244
>official
>Forge World
>not third-party

> Renegade cultists with basic guns get 4+ BS

>Renegade militia with all the guns have 5+ BS

FORGEWORLD WHAT THE FUCK

>>54124249
Matte the bottom of your bases too

If your matte varnish is the smooth type and not the type that has a texture you're screwed. Might want to go to an office supply store and buy small clear round grippy stickers they use for furniture or desktops

>>54124249
You can't lower it?

>>54124262
Ah I see. Thanks! Will check them out then.

>>54124191
Every one of your 'friends' play a broken as fuck army in 7th (Tau, necrons, Ravenwing DA). And it just so happens that the robots are really really nasty to all of them. Imagine that. Also, get less shit friends.
Also Admech aren't bad in 8th, the other anon is an assblasted WAACfag. In fact, tell your friends you are going to make a War Convocation and see what they say.

>>54123616
Yea, I'll believe this story when you submit pics. LEGO alone proves both kids and adults would at least assemble the damn model! The excuse doesn't hold up: If you hate painting sure, but to hate assembling goddamn models? Then why didn't you buy some marines used off Ebay for cheaper?

>>54124151
Two plus any number of combis. What do you man command squads? Like IG command squads?

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>>54124114
this one
the old gothic-style catholic crusader monks with flamethrowers and chainsaws in space vibe

>>54124165
to keep a long list short, here's the big problems
>Still no transports
>Lost formations which helped compensate for above
>HQ are still largely monobuild and expensive
>HQ is considerably weaker, that 2+ save doesn't take you nearly as far, especially when many weapons do mutiple points of damage per wound
>Battleforged formations require HQ for those much needed command points
>Skitarii lost their Scout movement buffs that compensated for lack of transports
>Vanguard, a solid backbone in 7th, have had their 3 wounds on a 6 reduced to only 2.
>Arc rifles are now also extremely lack luster
>Canticles/Doctrines have been merged and beaten into a sad shadow of what they once were.
>the army, with it's lack of transports and formations to be more mobile is still medium range at best and generally a short ranged army

Kastellans also lost their 5+ FNP save gaining instead +1 to their saves which is largely useless when most weapons will peel your saves away anyway.

overall, what was previously a pretty average army is now pretty bad until something comes along to fix that and as people figure out more tricks in 8th meta for what is powerful their weaknesses will only grow for now.

>>54124216
there's more than a few on youtube and from my own experience along with others in my state tourney scene concur

>>54123851
You have to pile in towards the closest enemy model

>>54124283
In 7th, they're good for just blasting fuckers with Grav until it stops moving, park the Destroyers in cover and let the heavy grav destroy anything he pokes out.

Breachers have arch rifles and a 3+ save so stick them with your techpriest for fixing.

Haven't done much in 8th, so I'm not sure how they do with all the new rules and such.

How do you guys usually army our chaos terminators? Should I be giving each one a special combi-weapon or just stick with combi-bolters? Power/chain fist or two? At what point is the squad just too expensive to be worth it?

>>54124277
It's pretty smooth. Might be screwed.

>>54124279
Though about it. but the ramp goes from floor to walkway flawlessly right now.

>>54124249
https://www.amazon.com/Krylon-3400-Clear-Non-Skid-Coating/dp/B007RHA5KE

>>54124223
>>54124195
>>>/hhg/

>>54124307
Dude those are Black Templars. Their shtick is literally to extremely zealous, religious and fanatic by the standard of every other SM.

>>54124068
grey hunters can have a chainsword, boltgun and bolt pistol

>>54124284
Well, the tau list was 'ok' so far (tabled him 2 times in a row, crawler being a beast). The necron player was kinda shitty since he didn't taught me what gauss rifles did and I lost my crawer very early, and the DA Ravenwing dude is just very good and has a really really good army so far imo (won all games so far, never lost many units etc.)

Thanks for the help. Also, mind explain that 'war convocation' to me? I'm kinda new do I don't really know that much right now. Is it a special formation or some special rule? They're probably ok with shit since they still invoke that 7th will always reign supreme because "muh clusterfuck of rules is actually better than shortened sorted rules"

Also, nice sidenode: The ork played just ordered some broken tzeenth summoning list, I feel like being an underdog all the time but that's fine.

>>54124337
Alright; thanks!

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>implying 5+ save expensive melee foot sloggers with 12" range at best are good


someone here is spending far too much time posting on imageboards and not rolling some dice

>>54124195 (you)

>>54124298

Space Marine command squads can take up to four special weapons and storm shields if you want.

>>54124307
That's Black Templar. They are still very much around and still very much religious and angry.

>>54124340
Could add little pegs, or nails that keep the models from slipping off.

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Speaking of pile in, are you allowed to slide round a model you're in contact with to get into contact with another model deeper into the unit? My gut feeling is no, because you have to end up "closer" if you move and you can't get closer if you're already in base contact, but thought I'd ask.

>>54124379
Reminder only 3+ and 2+ saves are okay.
4+ is a coinflip, 5+ is considered dead, and 6+ is just a waste of time.

>>54124381
Ah, you mean Company Veterans.

>>54124378
It's a special formation you had to buy from GW to get the rules and the models. It's both Admech armies and an Imperial Knight all together with free upgrades and relics.

Most would argue it was the only way for Admech to do anything in the game.

>>54124339
The other chaos dudes wont shut up about teleporting in turn 1 with combi-meltas so they might be on to something m8

>>54123717
is that a boombox?

>>54124404
That is indeed not allowed, because you can't end your move closer to the closest enemy model if you are already in base to base contact.

I am bad at maths, what's the chance of a 9 or more on 2D6 being able to re-roll one or both dice

>>54124422

Do company command squads not exist anymore?

>>54124404
nope, you can only move if you end up closer to the closest model afterwards, so if you're already in b2b you can't get closer

>>54124432
Why combi-meltas ? Combi-plasma generally seems better, even without the overcharge. Unless you just want them to kill very big things.

Reading the rules on battleforged armies I realized something : Eventho all units in the same detachment have to be of the same faction, nothing prevents you to take two detachments of different factions.

Meaning, for example, that you can do a mechanicus army allied with CSM for some sweet Heretek flavor.

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Is there ANYTHING useful in the Renegade army list ?

Besides the obvious "IG artillery in chaos", and the retarded non-functioning "valk chaos summoning" shenanigans

Friend of mine proxied 3 stonecrusher carnifexes with double wrecker claws and they were fucking brutal.

2 more points than a crusher claw + scything talons carnifex, but they don't get -1 to hit, do d6 damage a hit, and reroll failed hits and wounds vs vehicles. They fucking demolished my shit.

>>54124404
Don't worry, his model will have to move closer to you anyway at the end of his fight phase.

What the fuck did they do to my acolytes. 8 point guardsmen now.

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>>54124427
>>54124378
a powerful albeit pretty mobobold formation you could take starting at about 1850pt games and becomes weaker past 2k

it's a strong lost but even this was never top of the game. without it, Admech were only ever average - slightly above average.

>>54124262
In 7th, anything takes objectives, but if two sides are contesting an objective, it's a draw. If your unit has Objective Secured (usually meaning troops in a CAD), it's a tiebreaker, unless the other side is also obsec.

They really shine with the War Convocation. It brings a lot of dakka but is fragile though. Chances are you'll pop Shroudpsalm on your first turn to defend against enemy shooting, before going for Invocation of Might to punch stuff. Incidentally, Sydonian Dragoons become a real pain to remove when they get Shroudpsalm, since they get a turn of advancing in the open with 2+ cover.

That said, you have no psykers, your FNP on the Skitarii units means little since most shooting is S6/7, and your shooting lacks "Ignore Cover". You also lack barrages, Deepstrike, transports, a lot of tools really. Your Dunecrawler should rock the Icarus Array, and whatever knight you take should take the Icarus carapace too; though it does little versus fliers, it's "something" and gives some basic aerial screening.

Alternately, it might be worth skipping on the Convo, since the free points are a bit of a trap and it locks you into taking a lot of cruddy units like Sicarans, and while the Knight rocks, it's pricey. One thing that could be cute would be running a Skitarri list with an Emperor's Blade Assault Company to add complementary cover-clearing and objective-capping.

>>54124453
it literally says across all detachments

>>54124455
Nope, it's shit. There is no point on running R&H anymore outside of fluff reasons. Play them as IG instead.

>>54124311
All your fucking whining comes down to
>WAH no transports and we lost scout
Like you SO RELIED on that extra 6" move for your min unit of rangers in your old war convocation.
> some weapons got weaker!
So did a fuckton of other weapons, and you are crying about fucking ARC? Bitch please haywire in general is dead this edition. You still got better plasma, and plasma is fucking hot now.
> Wah more Hqs needed! Me no more min max as hard!!
Cawl is fucking amazing. Plus a bare bones priest has a role now- making sure all the tanks and robots are working.
I could go on, but fuck you. Stay asshurt WAACfag

>>54124270
>doesn't know what FW really is
>doesn't know what third party means
>is a retarded faggot who should die irl

Pick 1-3

>>54124381
>>54124422
Yeah if you only want five guys you might as well just go with company vets for cheaper guns and the bodyguard rule. The reasons to pick Sternguard at this point would just be if you want some bolter guys or you want a larger squad size.

>>54123800
get the burna bomma, its bombs are the same vs infantry (youll be dropping them on infantry most of the time anyways), it has better dakka and when it dies, it goes BOOM once again - it has its own upgraded crash and burn rules, check them

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>>54124453
While it's true if you play Narrative or Open play, in Matched you are restricted to a common keyword.

>>54124450
>warps in behind you
>blasts land raider apart
>nothing personal kid

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>>54124455
Maybe plague ogryns, and chaos being able to take ig tanks.


Renegades are boring and suck now in general, better off ignoring them honestly.

Rip Bloody Handed Reavers, my favorite part of the army. Pic very related

>>54124499
I left an Acolyte 18" away from the Land Raider. Can't do this.

>>54124478
Read again

>>54124446
There is no unit by that name. Company vets basically are the unit, but in 8th guys like standard bearers and apothecaries are broken out as separate characters themselves.

>>54124446
they are now company veterans as champions/apothecaries/standard bearers(ancients) are now standalone models

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>>54124488
>your entire post
>calling someone else asshurt

>>54124490

I don't know what to do, I'm running 9 sternguard in a land raider with a captain but it's pretty expensive for the sake of 5 special issue bolters when 5 have combi weapons.

I don't know whether to swap them for company veterans.

>>54124270
>third party
It's literally wholly owned by GW and was helmed by a dude who worked for them, and for them. The board of directors at the time approved the concept of FW. The inception of FW was announced in an edition of White Dwarf, GW's monthly product catalog. When you called customer services about a FW model issue or impending delivery, it was GW's number you called and used option 3 for Forge World products since they were held at a different warehouse and distribution center until relatively recently.

QED you suffer from super retard and should euthanize yourself.

>>54124492
Oh yeah, skorcha missiles no longer being one use only makes them loads better. Then ram it into something important and have it explode.

>>54123507
Now that TLOS is out, and B2B Los is back, of course you can.

TLOS was the bane of converters and count-as armies everywhere

>>54124441
28% for no rerolls.
55% for reroll both.
Reroll one or both came out only slightly higher than that. Under 60%.

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Another great day of the 8e and I still don't see any "7th edition general" threads. Is it possible that at the end of the day 7e has nearly no fans, at least on /tg?

>>54124311
It's a new edition. It will be fixed in the following codexes. That's all there is to it.

>>54124530

sternguard are practically useless in 8th, break them down into company vets and tactical sergeants

>>54124404
Legal if you started some distance away. Illegal if you were in base to base at the start. Once you're in base to base you're "stuck" and cannot move via pile-ins.

>>54124541
7th ed fans flocked/fled to Horus Heresy.

>>54124488
>Plasma is hot.
So hot that it autokills you when it explodes, in fact. So hot, it blows up more often at nighttime as you are more likely to accidentally press the "don't press dat" button. So hot, smoke makes it more likely to explode.

Plasma is hot shit indeed, emphasis on shit.

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>>54124533
MAKE EM DO DA BURNY DANCE
FROM ABOVE

>>54124519
you read again
>>54124496

>>54124543
orks were fucked for several years and editions, there's no guarantee. but that's besides the point anyway. the point is as of right now they are in a bad spot.

Are 8e Space marines Bikes usable?

>>54124565
Always the fun part of the job. Rammed my Gorkanaught into combat and it eventually exploded. Killing lots.

>>54124471
Damn that looks pretty rad. Too bad it has a quite high entry point at ~1850 as you stated. But I'll keep that in mind when the time is right.

>>54124473
Damn thanks for that part, really love when you get some explained insighr why X is bad or OP. I already noticed the "no ignore cover" stuff while playing vs DA, their 'lul cover everywhere idk I'mma ride you down and escape in my cover again sunny' playstyle really grinded my gears.

Dark Mechanicus army when?

>>54124530
company vets start as 2 but can go up to 5 so run a 4man and a 5man along with your captain. cheaper and they have bodyguard trait

>>54124553
... Wat ? Their bolters are great for killing most types of single wound infantry, and if you give them stormbolters they're a hard counter to horde spam lists. And Sternguard are not even that much more points than tacticals.

>>54124559
>t.always overcharges his plasma thinking regular mode isn't killy enough most of the time anyway

>>54124602
After Renegade/Fabius-Bile-Primaris Marines

>>54124488
If you're going to advocate for plasma in an army you still need a way to deliver it to the target. as it stands the mechanicus have no transports, have moderately expensive troops at the cheapest and not much durability. especially if you're going to talk about the Plasma Calivers which only have an 18" range. killing a few 4+ vanguard with that sort of range is laughable easy and those cavilers aren't cheap. it almost sounds as if you never even played the army but just base your assessment of them on what you read

>>54124602
July 18th

>>54124570
GW should just allow Mechanicus to use Imperial transport vehicles that already exist. I mean they are the faction that produces them for crying out loud, for what possible reason does GW think they would not use them ?!

>>54124446
They're now "Command Squads"
They're basically 4 veterans, cost as much as four veterans, can take all the wargear options of the old company command squad with actual commander omitted, and can be used like a company command squad if you just stick a company commander in the center of them in-game.


But really, you want to use them as special weapons squads +1: Why take 6 guys that can carry 3 heavy weapons for 24 points and hit on a 4+ when you can take 4 guys with 4 heavy weapons hitting on a 3+? Well the answer is obviously survivability and not putting all your eggs in one expensive basket BUT they share the same roll as full Veteran squads and Special Weapons squads so they ARE an option.

I personally plan on running them as sniper squads, so they'll be far away from the action but still able to bring all 4 of their special weapons to bear.

>>54124629
i can only hope there's a second wave unit release soon. if anything, just to break up the limited options. having so many units that are the same with a weapon change is more than a bit boring at times

>>54124629
Just because the Mechanicum produce mechanical shit doesn't mean they know how to use it. Or want to — they're a very proud bunch who tend to think "the shit we gave you is inferior to the shit we kept"

>>54124605
You can give company vets stormbolters too but company vets also get an extra rule to let them take hits for characters

>>54124276
>Give idiot conscripts AK-47
>Fine
>Give idiot conscripts rifle designed for professional soldiers
>*BANG* *click* "STOPPAGE!" *click, click, click* *BANG* "BACK IN!" *BANG* *click* "STOPPAGE!" etc etc etc ad infinitum

>>54124648
I just want a proper White Scars army like BA, SW or DA. Ravenwing bikers are better than White Scar bikers. That's some bullshit.

So, now that you can have a single undersized unit, what uses have you thought of for it?

A few I've seen so far:

>8 or 9 Necron warriors in a ghost ark to leave room to transport characters upfield, side effect of making Lychguard more viable by transporting them seperately then having characters join them across the board

>Taking a single Kastellan robot, change it to punch mode and run it up the field as a distraction Carnifex

>Taking a single heavy weapon terminator as a gun platform, especially a Scarab Occult

>>54124629
Why would you need transports when you never get tired because you replaced your legs 30 years ago?

Tell you what, "Move Move Move" renders all the IG transports redundant for their cost. So how about we trade our transports for you Neutron Laser so we can finally have an AT tank worth a damn.

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>7E
>talos pain engines are my favourite unit in my army
>work on getting the corpsethief claw detachment just because of how much I love them
>at 3 taloses when 8E announced
>Every game I play 7E, I run a minimum of 2 talos, and they ALWAYS tear shit up
>s7, t7, 3+/5+FNP, furious charge on turn 3, easily able to tear apart infantry, tanks, other MCs, or anything else I send them against

>8E
>they have a significant cost increase due to their mandatory ranged weaponry
>they lost their AP2 abilities
>the ichor injector is basically worthless now
>Fall Back means they can't tarpit troublesome squads anymore
>change to AP means they rarely get their full 3+ armor, and multi damage weapons mean those 8W don't mean much
>they now cost 200 points versus the 140 points they used to

Why did taloses get nerfed so hard, and is there any point to bringing them anymore?

>>54124649
>don't know how to use it
doubt.jpg

but your comment on them being picky about what they actually use sounds likely but i'm sure even they'd sully themselves if they had to.

but for army/marketing purposes i guess it makes sense they'd be getting their own transports. the FW stuff will certainly help when Fires over Cyraxis comes out but that'll be limited as many people don't like playing against FW.

>>54124533
What do you mean by ram? Can you chose to not have it move its minimum?

>>54124577
Sure. They're durable and have very solid shooting. Bikers get to fire both their twin Bolters and any special weapon which gives the unit some extra firepower.

>>54124646
>"Command Squads"
No they're "Company Veterans".

>>54124689
>the FW stuff will certainly help IF Fires over Cyraxis

FTFY :^)

>>54124667
Why not take 2 Termis? You can just bump the squad to 10 and take the heavy weapons

>>54124706
No, but if it lands within 1 inch of an enemy unit, it just explodes.

At least what the new FAQ says.

>>54124481
>R&H is broken as fuck, IG is strictly worse in almost every way without their retarded "everywhere I shoot is dangerous terrain" abilities
The CSM guys take R&H, Guard players stick with guard
>IG now a little better than R&H
R&H all start running counts-as

Faggots.

>>54124667
Main use I see is fitting characters in transports. Very handy for Dark Eldar with Venoms.

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>>54124725
>tfw you're right

>>54123937
Where/when was this? I want to read it.

>>54124667
>>Taking a single heavy weapon terminator as a gun platform, especially a Scarab Occult

I would never not field the additional terminators if you have to pay the points for them anyway.

>>54124689
>>don't know how to use it
>doubt.jpg
nigger 99% of the AdMech just push buttons on a giant ancient machine and manufactures stuff comes out the other side. They may also throw holy oils at cogs or pistons that rattle because it means the Omnissiah it getting upset and wants appeasement.

They do shit purely by rote. The Primaris shit with Belisarius Cawl is unprecedented because he's the first AdMech dude to actually create something NEW for fucking millenia. He was almost lynched by the AdMech because NEW is blasphemy.

>>54124667
Now I can stick a succubus and incubi in a venom rather than wasting points on a raider.

>>54124570
Orks were...ok in 5th, not great but workable. The Andy Chambers codex was cursed by weird point costs from being an early 3rd ed codex, but it had a variety of tools for everything from anti-tank to movement trickery. (3rd ed Turbo Boostas were fun!).

The 4e codex gave point-efficient shootboyz and meganobz, but anti-tank was Klaws, Deffrollas, or Lootas, or boxing in enemies with throwaway Deffkoptas/Warbuggies. 7e made Lootas inferior to Mek Gunz and Kannons, and gave Shootaboyz a price hike, and made Waaagh restricted to Boss-only, but the general principle remained the same. Ultimately, "competitive" Orks ended up being Zhad Bikes and either a Knight or Stompa.

The real problem is Orks are a very dull army to actually play. There's been so much emphasis on "Boyz before toyz" in their design that they're not a well-rounded all-comers army, but a potentially good spoiler/jank. While other armies got Orders, Canticles, Elemental Invocations, etc, the only real "tech" Orks generally got was "when do you Waaagh." The problem was this wasn't even a choice, as it was either "Always" (Green Tide/Ghaz Waaagh), or "Never" (Zhadsnark).

Orks need their flavor, and not the "hurr, random effective gun" flavor, but the "My Grabbin Klaw is dragging your Rhino as cover" kind of flavor, or the "My Lootas commandeer your Riptide" kind of flavor.

Just because they're the comic relief doesn't mean they shouldn't be taken seriously.

>>54124759
>if you have to pay the points for them anyway.
Reading comprehension isn't your best attribute

>>54124759
You dont, as per the just released FAQ/Errata.

>>54124759
you can take 1 unit as an understrength unit without paying for the other dudes/gear

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>>54123492
(pic related) OF COMMORAGH!

>>54124769
I fucking hope they go full War of The Beast with Gazghkull in a future Codex.

>>54124733
Went looking, couldn't find where it says that, could you cap it?

>>54123474
I miss the old warhammer with the saltmine in it's setting and a flint in it's eyes.

>>54124761
Even Cawl has not created much new things. Primaris marines are based on research, notes and blueprints from the Emperor. And the new armour and weapons are just slight alterations of already existing wargear.

So normal terminators can take a missile launcher, flamer or autocannon, but Scarab Occult can take two heavy weapons so long as one model has a missile launcher?

Bizzare.

>>54124761
First up, you're confusing menial laborers with the techpriests themselves when it comes to "no idea how it works" certainly, much of it is lost to them but there's more than enough in 40k literature to imply they are still intelligent and capable engineers.

Now, that aside what you're also missing (apart from possibly the matter between your ears) is that knowing how something works != knowing how something operates and if a fucking IG grunt and drive a chimera i'm SOMEHOW sure any tech adept can ask one for training. damn you're dumb. damn son. damn

>>54124667
A lot of chaos boys were upset that their lord couldnt ride with their terminators in a landraider as the new terminator squad size is 4 minimum, now they can bring him along

>>54124758
Gathering Storm 2.

>>54124667

Where is the faq for this?

'Sup /tg, a few questions.
With 8th ed i want to try to use my Nurgle chapter again, since it was literally unplayable in 6th/7th.

Enlighten me on these:
- helbrutes(love em, got 3 but might get more if they are playable, whoich they simply weren't)

-plague marines

-cultists
and demon nurgle allies-even tho im tempted to cut them out and eventually expand the warband into a full csm with the new Death guard models-when they release.

-Forgefiend
i have only one because everytime I played it it just scratched something just to die to a melta/laser/anything a second later or simply never did anything useful all game.

>>54124815

Weirder: Why do they have a 4 inch move when they're wearing Tartaros armour?

>>54124662
So they shouldn't be giving the idiot soldiers the good guns is my complaint

>>54124851
>helbrutes
Were fine in 7th
>plague marines
poster boys of the starter, good
>cutists
still cheap bodies
>Forgefiend
now far worse, which is impressive in and of itself

>>54124858
Same reason Rubricae only move 5'' : they're not wearing the armour, they ARE the armour. Plus some dust.

>>54124535
Wait, is this true? I have a lot of models I'd like to turn into models for other armies if not for the slight size differences.

>>54124769
>Orks need their flavor, and not the "hurr, random effective gun" flavor, but the "My Grabbin Klaw is dragging your Rhino as cover" kind of flavor, or the "My Lootas commandeer your Riptide" kind of flavor.
This. Orks should have whacky rules, but GW seems to think whacky rules means rolling random shit for every weapon.
They should be effective, but suitably Orky special rules, not just "lol maybe you'll kill yourself if you shoot this gun isn't that funny lol so random!"

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>>54124800
Sorry, I was looking at the errenta for chaos which had a "flier caught in Skarbrand" power.

But the movement rules do state that if it can't do its minimum movement, it just crashes. And you can't stop within 1" of an enemy model so it just dies. Roll for explosion and see what it does.

>>54124862
I think with Chaos cultists it'd be more of a case of them managing to overrun an armoury or something. But anyway, I'm just being pedantic trying to headcanon this, the real reason is obviously just that GW doesn't give a shit.

>>54124881

No, specifically why do they move -4- inches.

Rubricae suffer a -1 penalty

Terminators suffer a -1 penalty

Tartaros terminators don't suffer a penalty.

Total is -1, Scarab Occult should have a move of 5, 6 for the sorcerer.

>>54123937

Ahriman will still serve Chaos and fuck with the Aeldari simply because his Chaos model is too recent for GW to change his allegiances.

>>54124880
>Were fine in 7th
How? unless you armed them with laser they could never reach shooting range.
Shit armor value meant anything(expecially in an edition where laser was king)could make them explode with ease.

Formations were nice but heavily relied on "spam dreddys with laser", which i never liked(dreddys with laser just look plain retarded ihmo)
>>54124880
>now far worse
How is that even possible?
fuck.
Maulerfiend is viable?

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>Guilliman creates a whole new kind of spehs muhreen
>Makes new terminator armour, new dreadnoughts and dropships
>Doesn't teach them how to ride bikes

What a cunt.

When is the Khan coming back from his vacation in Commorragh?

>>54124916
Having a CSM character repent would be fucking awesome. Even better if he started sucking xenos dick.

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>>54124508
Thinking of making all of mine Redemptionists and aligning them with my Sisters

>>54124908
>I pivot 5 degrees, move 16 inches and OH WELL, looks like I can't move the rest of my 20" movement, I guess my dakkajet crashes into your chaos marines
Dude it has fly
>THAT DOESN'T HELP
Dude just pivot it more
>NOPE MADE MY PIVOT AND RAW NOW I HAVE TO CRASH
Dude fuck you

So you're telling me I can apply tau levels of stupid gaming of the system to orks now? I've already been daisychaining and abusing assaults, this looks fun.

>>54124816
>much of it is lost to them but there's more than enough in 40k literature to imply they are still intelligent and capable engineers
And there is also plenty of fluff that says they have no idea what is happening and simply do shit by pressing buttons and kicking stuff. They seek to understand technology but will never understand because the understanding has long been lost to the ages. All the knowledge they possess is fragmented and vague at best, corrupted at worst.

This applies to the Imperium at large. This is Grimdark. While it's easy for AdMil to train a lowly grunt to operate a Chimera, is it so easy for a Tech Adept to learn? The whole point of grimdark is that things are so fucked that nobody really knows anything. The Guard trainer probably will never meet a Tech Adept to train or even know how to communicate with him, and the training manuals that the IG have might be unreadable to a Tech Adept or nobody even has the training manuals. If the manuals even exist, they're probably under literal mountains of other manuals that finding them is all but impossible. The Tech Adept might have no idea what all the buttons and levers and dials in a Chimera do or mean, and he'd be fucking terrified to deductively press them in fear of pissing off the machine spirit that resides within.

You talk about my lack of brain matter but your desire to suck dicks is so strong the suction reflex of your esophagus tugged on that huge niggercock so hard it pierced the roof of your mouth and now occupies your cranial cavity. Damn, son. Just damn.

>>54124925
>riding horseback with naked blades sticking out your back

>>54124912
Carrying all that heavy armour when you're just a bunch of dust is hard. Dust can't even lift bro

>>54124936
So somebody crashes their plane, killing it, in the hope of rolling a 6 and doing d3 mortal wounds

I'm okay with that

>>54124916
Ahriman serves no one besides his own quest for more knowledge. He doesn't even actively serve Tzeentch or seek his approval, yet he is one of Tzeentch's most valuable servants. The irony of that only makes Tzeentch like him even more.

>>54124916
>>54124928
Maybe this is a bet between old Ceggy and Tzeentch.
>I bet I can take him from you, you stuffy old bird.
>Nah, I bet I can get him to mindrape your new hot bitch.
>I'll take that bet you beaked fuck.
>I'm gonna stuff my long hard fate in your ass, CegoBITCH.

>>54124923
BS of 4+ on Forgefiend 5+ if it moved

it's not going to hit anything

>>54124925
When Yvraine decides Guilliman needs help.
Alternatively, when Yvraine asks Guilliman to get Vect off her back.

>>54124936
>>54124960
This is like when someone had the revelation that you can shoot your own units.

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>>54124667
RAW you can only do it if you don't have the models to meet the minimum unit size.
The intent of the rule is clearly to prevent exclusion for players that don't have enough models to meet the minimum size, not something to game your list-building around.
If you're not a WAACfag you'll take minimum sized units like you're supposed to.

>>54124928

In lore, it would make the most sense for him to shift his allegiance to Ynnead simply because he has reached the end of what he can learn in the Realm of Chaos; and then convert his Legion brothers back and turn them away from Tzeentch. But Ahriman only uses the rubric curse as an excuse to accrue more power for himself, so he'll basically be the TS Cypher and continue to do his own thing as an agent of Chaos.

Besides, robots don't question orders.