Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

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FIRST FOR CUTEDAR!

>>54120316

‘Saviour Protocols: If a <Sept> Drones unit is within 3"
of a friendly <Sept> Infantry or <Sept> Battlesuit
unit when an enemy attack successfully wounds it, you
can allocate that wound to the Drones unit instead of
the target. If you do, that Drones unit suffers a mortal
wound instead of the normal damage.’

So what's the point of shield drones then if you can't take their invuln save? Great design team.

Sweet

How are you guys reacting to the no-minimum-squad-sizes in matched play rules change? Is matched play totally fucked? I think it's narrative or bust for me.

>>54120317
It is the most playtested. Seeing as the other ones weren't at all and had some insane retardation.

>>54120147
>>54120147
>I think Night Lords are pretty similar at least. Both are just brutal assholes for the hell of it.

And that's one thing I love. Chaos keeps focusing on the "LOL YOUR A SLAVE TO CHAOS NOW" instead of the whole "Ambitious master of their own fate through the use of dark powers" Kinda thing like Red Corsairs and stuff.

>>54120317
Its a shitty gameplay choice instead of making a fluffy ruling

Wew the ork nerf came sooner than i had thought

HA HA

TIME FOR CLOWN CARS

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Q. The Ork Battlewagon’s Mobile Fortress ability says the
Battlewagon ‘ignores the penalty for moving and firing Heavy
weapons’. Its Open-topped ability says that ‘restrictions and
modifiers that apply to this model also apply to its passengers’.
Does that mean that a unit embarked also ignores the penalty
for firing Heavy weapons if the battlewagon has moved?
A. No.

Welp, there goes Flash Gitz as an option.

Acolytes good options.
FAQ comes
Acolytes even more worthless than guardsmen

https://mega.nz/#F!9zAjGSwI!GH98VYtG1nYcALyUnlf1Eg!szJhSbhA

This archive doesn't want to open for me for some reason. Can somebody check it?

>>54120347
(Fucking system thinking my post is spam...)
P L A Y T E S T E D
>P L A Y T E S T E D
P L A Y T E S T E D
>P L A Y T E S T E D

But seriously, are my GK Librarians allowed to take Stormshields because the index says "refer to the Librarian in Terminator armor page" but also refer to the "Grey Knight Weapon list". It says nothing about the ranged weapon which is the slot that storm shields take up.

>>54120147
>Death Guard are a bit 'meh', no real reason to turn to Chaos other than 'lol and then it happened'.

Typhus causing the majority of their fleet to be flooded with warp plague, yanno, whatever

>>54120369
It's a silly rule though. Seriously, PP figured out "remove from play" versus "trigger on kill" yeads ago...

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>>54120365
so you I can have a detachment of:
HQ - 1 grot spanner
elites - 6*2 squig bombs

ALL OF MY WAAAAAGHT?

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>Q. What does within 1" mean? Does it mean any distance up to 1", or does it mean any distance up to and including 1"?
>A. It means any distance up to and including 1".

This is on the level of "Can my building Scout?"

>>54120423
Yeah, 'and then it happened lol'.

'Lol Typhus strands the entire fleet lmao'.

Suddenly and without buildup aside from the convenient 'surviving poisons and shit' from their backstory.

>>54120437
>You can only include one of this kind of unit in your army.
Rules fucker. Read em.

>>54120460
Fuck, I forgot to remove my name.

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>>54120460
READIN IZ FOR HUMIES
HUMIES IZ GROTZ

well thank god that the restriction is there tho

>>54120347
They'll work fine against small arms fire but it'll be worth sacrificing them agains things like las canons.

>>54120413
maybe they work well in games that use power levels.

>>54120365
I am not seeing it. What changed?

The faq still doesnt address the fact that a warlord titan cant attack a grot in the second level of a ruin in close combat

>>54120347
It's an ability for all drones. If you're taking shield drones just for the extra wounds, you're doing it wrong

Wonder if GW thinks SoB are a melee army.
Most of the Imperium 2 is to make sure the girls get their melee weapons.

Also make AoF even more hard to use

>>54120346
D-does she wear her battle dress underneath?

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>>54120503
This lets me bring nothing but the heavy weapon Scarab Occult Termi which is hilarious from the unit

>>54120503
>primarch guilliman, please use all your tactical acumen to tell us how to best utilise this mighty warlord battle titan
>tell it to go punch that grot over there

>>54120491
If anything they are shit against small arms fire since a lasgun shot is still a mortal wound if passed on.

>>54120524
>>54120460
READ.

>>54120454

Its terrible that Typhus was the one who did it. Old lore was basically 'and then Nurgle picked this opportunity to fuck with Mortarion'. Typhus just comes off as a massive troll for the lulz as a result.

>>54120530
that is why you take the inv save instead

>>54120529
Kill points are kill points you inbred retard.

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>>54120523

Avatar of Kaine: Molten Body - Roll a D6 whenever the Avatar of Kaine suffers a wound or mortal wound, on a 5+ that wound is ignored

Stimulant Injector - Roll a dice each time a model equipped with a stimulant injector suffers a wound or mortal wound. On a roll of a 6, ignore it

Disgustingly Resilient - Each time this model loses a wound, roll a d6; on a roll of a 5 or 6, it does not lose that wound

Goddammit, gotta sell models I guess

jesus christ the rules for cover are so fucking bad

the barricade rules in the faq are extra retarded
i wish gw would decide if this is a model based or a unit based game FFS

>‘When a model targets an enemy
Infantry
unit that has
all of its models within 1" of a barricade, the target unit
receives the benefit of cover if the attacking model is
closer to the barricade than it is to the target.’
cant wait to be resolving the shooting of a 30 man unit of shootas with these sort of rules

>>54120460
I don't see that

>>54120547
Invulnerable saves don't work on mortal wounds.

>>54120547

You can't take invulns against mortal wounds, dipshit. A S3 AP0 Lasgun Shot, when allocated onto a drone, becomes a mortal wound that cannot be saved under any circumstances, instantly killing the Drone.

>>54120551
Someone's angry. Have you tried being less mad?

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>needing pic related

For what purpose?

>>54120582
Tank in a hedge, but halfway visible? Cover.
Tank on a road, only visible by the dozer blade? No cover.

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>>54120585

>>54120605
nerfing, goddamn phoneposter

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>>54120608
yeah

imagine explaining this to a new players
would be the quickest 180 youd ever see in your life

>>54120491

The quality of the weapon doesn't matter, a mortal wound is a mortal wound.
There is no point whatsoever to take shield drones over gun drones with this errata.

Why are opinions so torn on Autocannons?

I see some people say they're utter shit without application, and some claim they're the absolute best all rounder in the game and always worth taking

>>54120401
Aren't snazzguns assault weapons?

>>54120633
no because that would make flash gitz a semi playable unit

cant have that

>>54120417
I'm not sure how many, but there are quite a few books inside. I would really appreciate your help.

>>54120520

Why *wouldn't* you take shield drones prior to this errata? The chance to negate a lascannon shot on a 4+ was the whole point, shield drones are utterly useless now.

>>54120613
My bad, thought you meant it was in the FAQ and was confused

Guess I'll bring 1 Scarab Termi, 1 Normi Termi and 1 DG termi with their heavy weapons

>>54120592
>>54120599
Ok, I'm sorry. From the few games I have played agains Tau I was under the impression that the shield drones gave the unit they were shielding an inv save.

>>54120630
see
>>54120651

how much does an avarge w40k army cost?

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>>54120346
HERESY

>>54120413
>>54120419
Still no ruling on if smite can be used in melee, or if it can target those in melee

>>54120673

Depends on points, army kind and stuff

for every 500pt, anywhere from $50 to $300

>>54120673
Less than a trophy wife

>An animalistic growl came from the gue’ron’sha’s helm. The Imperial warrior put his shoulder down, drew a chainsaw blade, and charged.
>Bravestorm grinned fiercely as the Space Marine’s long strides ate up the distance between them. The gue’ron’sha was planning to get in close.
>A microdec passed, and the commander eye-blinked a sub-routine he had waited a long time to use.
>The XV8 took a stride forward, pivoting hard at the waist. Bravestorm’s massive onager gauntlet swung out in a backhand blow. The Space Marine’s blade was swept aside. The battlesuit gauntlet caught him in a full body blow, crushing gun and warrior alike against the lateral wall of the corridor.
>Bravestorm resumed his gun stance, already firing by the time the gue’ron’sha’s mangled corpse fell in a disorderly pile to the ground.

space marines losing to tau in melee
we melee race now

>>54120632
price, probably

You can get two heavy bolters for about the same.

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>>54120316
Starting a SM army. Planning to go Imperial Fists.
Are tactical marines even worth getting? because bolters seem kind of shit.

>>54120605
Fucked if I know, they were actually in a decent spot and the +1A compensated for the lack of Pistol/CCW attack. Dammit.

Anyone else feels the FAQ intentionally fuck up non marine armies?

>>54120524
Wait. WAT.

So...my IG Brigades get even cheaper?

Troops = Understrength Infantry Squad, 1 guy 4pts

Elites = Understrength Special Weapons Squad, 1 guy, 4 pts

HS = Understrength Heavy Weapons Squad, 2 dudes w a mortar, 9 pts

FA = Understrength Rough Riders Squad, 1 guy w lance, 10 pts
This can't possibly be right.

>>54120704
No, tacmarines are the worst troop choice in the game right now. At least CSM's get a buff depending on what god they chose.

>>54120704

They are good objective grabbers with combat squads

>>54120721
Not really. What sort of things specifically?

>>54120680
Because there doesn't need to be one.
Psykic rules don't check for melee.

>>54120689

Are there really idiots out there that think Tau should never ever beat a Space Marine in combat even though it happens all the time on tabletop and regular humans have been depicted doing it (nevermind that its a suit using a onager gauntlet)

>>54120732
NIGGA.
RRRREEEEEAAAADDDD.
>>54120613

>>54120680
Of course it can, why couldn't it

Advice on a tank army I'm the current edition?

>>54120684
what is the standard points range for w40k, then? 1000-1500pts or more?
I understand of course that there are armies that have more models, then other. how much is an avarge army 20-30 models?

If I'm reading the faq right, Assault Squads can take plasma and meltaguns now. I'm new, in the process of assembling a squad and wondering which weapon to go for. Plasma sounds like the better choice since you can drop them in rapid fire range.

>>54120756
Don't

>>54120756

go flyers, DE or marines

>Many of those humans that complied with the tau, whether directly or through the complicity of inaction, now work the machineries above the magma lakes as indentured slaves. Their fate is a slow asphyxiation, or perhaps a quick and agonising death by scalding when the machineries inevitably malfunction.
>The strongest citizens, the heaviest set, have instead been chemically lobotomised and rebuilt as battle servitors. Their lower halves are cut away and replaced by track units even as their arms are replaced by weapons of war. The most dextrous, those who pass the Trial by Knives with all their limbs and digits intact, are instead sent to work their fingers bloody in the weapons shops. Those who fall asleep at their stations, or even so much as raise their heads, soon find an electro-scourge descending to encourage them back to work. All the while these poor benighted fools are lambasted by deafening Imperial catechisms and hypno-psalms, blasted from rank upon rank of laud hailers. These are ostensibly to reaffirm an errant people’s faith in the one true creed, but it is more likely they are intended to shred what is left of their willpower. Tried and tested Imperial bombast, designed to break a man body and soul so those who witness their fate never stray a single foot from their designated roles.

nope, we still got turbo grimdark in 40k

>>54120732
you still pay the points for the missing guys and guns and you can only have one unit as such

>>54120732
oh, just saw the one type.

So 0-1 understrength X unit. Still saves on a lot of points.

>Lone Bullgryn
>Lone Rough Rider
>Lone Ratling

This is a bit abusable as long as you have slots available.

>>54120651
That's how they we're in the vanilla index, and the errata came out what, just now?

>>54120767

Tournament used to be 1850, looks like the new 8th standard is 2000

Friendly play 1000, 1500 and 2000 are the most common

>>54120768
Just to make sure, you are playing blood angels, right?

>>54120704
Full devastator squads seem better.

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>>54120784

>>54120784
>you still pay the points for the missing guys and guns

No, you don't


>and you can only have one unit as such

That is correct

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/tg/ I need your help. I love the wargame and having painted models, but I can't focus on painting for shit. What's a good, low model count army so I can actually power through and have a painted army?

>>54120793
so a 2000pts army costs around 250-300$ on avarge?

>>54120786
Thanks for the easy killpoint.
>They're all separate units

>>54120768
Blood angels only, although you could just ally them in.

>>54120804
whoops, I didn't read like the cancer I am

>>54120811
Grey knights. Fairly simple paint scheme too.

>>54120796
Oh I should've mentioned that, yes!

>>54120811
Necrons using Immortals?

Elite Chaos, using Termies and Chosen?

Grey Knights?

Ahhhhahahaha all the IG waacfags buying up tempestus command squads got btfo

Reecius was right all along. Get fucked

>>54120811
Harlequins
Deathwatch
Monster-heavy Nods
Any Terminator or bike army

>>54120454

I took it as typhus throwing the entire crew under the bus and the only way out of that situation was to sell their souls to the devil, so to peak.

>>54120816
With high variance.
Shopping eBay for people selling off hold stuff and patience can save you a lot.
As can kitbashing.

>>54120783
>literally copy+pasting your old posts
for what purpose

>>54120818
It's guard. There are already Infantry Squads and multiple officers and commissars up the wazoo. This is about objectives or tabling the other guy.

Also, a single model is a good distraction, especially a Ratling in cover. So what you shoot at it, you're not shooting at the actual killy guys.

>>54120811
Knights

>>54120501
Nothing

Rolled 84 (1d100)

Cool

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>>54120834

GIVE THEM BACK

>>54120811

GK (mid tier)

Flyer spam list (DE or marine, top tier but WAAC as fuck)

Marine dreadnought army (surprisingly good)


>>54120816

I said $50-300 for every 500pt

So for 2000 pt you are probably spending at least $750+

Add to this the cost of the paints, carrying bags, etc, for another $200-500

>>54120834
They're the same as scions. You just need 3 hellguns per 2 specials now.

4 point grot orderly is now my HQ choice

>>54120857

I thought since that was over 12 hours ago, there might be new people online who'd like to see.
Guess not. Don't need to re-share things then

>Exalted Sorcerer point increase

Well here we go, next faq will increase Rubric costs to 23 ppm

>>54120888
I actually find this so hilarious I would be 100% okay with this

>>54120882
Those costs are if you buy GW boxes per squad without just using bitz/conversions. Conversions go a long way towards lowering the overall cost of an army.

>>54120855
I don't realy have an option to buy stuff online. how much would an avarge army cost at a store? Or how many boxs on avarge does an army require. I trying to decide between w40k and AoS, and AoS seems to require 8-10 boxs and around 800$ on avarge to get a fun army and 25% more if the game is suppose to be good.
Is w40k the same or does it require fewer stuff.

>>54120862
You can splitfire with everything now. MSU isn't as effective anymore.

>>54120903
I'm going to paint him as very worried

>>54120862
Different missions though. Objectives differ a lot.

Relic wants things fast enough to grab. Big guns needs hs slots. The two obejective missions can easy be tied my en elite army if they can keep your units from getting within 3". Kill points mission.

Conscript hoard is only super good in the generic multi objective mission.

GW fucked up my AoF combos.

Why does GW hate SoB? They keep selling out every time they are in the store.
Maybe they are afraid people like something else beside marines?

>>54120804
Well fuck, Scarab Occult Death star here I come

>>54120882
shit. I though it was 50$ per 500pts for most armies. why would you need paints to play the game?

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>>54120346
nth for cute tau

>>54120444
Sorry but I don't quite understand this. Is it for the reinforcement that must charge 9" after deployment ?

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>Tyranid changes are clerical oversights only
>No change to Dev w/Brainleech profile
This is all kinds of disappointing.

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>>54120888

>>54120632
No one?

>>54120967
>cute
are you blind?

>>54120888
I wonder....can a Space Wolf army be led by Ragnar Blackmane's wolves without him?

Can't see if they're included in the points cost but it's implied they aren't because he costs +1 power to take the wolves.

>>54120967
AYYY

>>54120834
Even a stopped clock is right twice a day
Stay salty

>>54120346
I don't do drug addicts

So has anybody gotten any field experience with primaris yet? How are they in actual play?

>>54120975
SoB and Inquisition FAQ are basically nerfs and or pointless

>>54121000
Shit.
Inferior to any T3 army

>>54120915
Never buy any GW product unless you get at least a 20% discount, and buy as many collected box sets as possible. For example, if you wanted to do a mechanicus army, 3 Start Collecting boxes and Belisarius Cawl is basically all you would need.

Always start with the start collecting boxes, whether it be 40k or AOS

>>54121000
Just more expensive tac marines. Bolt profiles at rapidfire1 with no AP is horrible.

>>54120920
but you still have to declare targets at the same time per squad

>>54120915
Depends on the army. Full 2k is probably going to be closer to $400. And a pretty limited range.

>>54121008
the SoB FAQ just makes the list work as intended and makes you able to use all the models

>>54120365
Even if it allowed you to spam single model units, everything can splitfire so it's not an issue.

>>54120940
who said anything about Conscripts?

>>54121033
This. Bolt weapons are the worst in the game.

>>54121042
The power of faith moving vehicles faster was very thematic.

Now? It is basically Celestine phase for herself

>>54121063

*cough* lasguns *cough*

>>54121000
Drop unit is good but expensive.
Plasma and generic are worse than taking normal squads with mixed in plasma

>>54121035
>"I shoot your killy unit, except this guy, he shoots your objective camper,"

Wow, that was hard.

>>54121033
Why does GW never update the bolter profile to be useful? Even lasguns are better since you get 3x the shots.

>>54121074
If by thematic you mean totaly broken.

>>54121079
With 'first rank second rank' lasguns are much better than bolters.

>>54121033
Pretty sure bolt rifles have AP-1

>>54121103
with only 5 men in a squad, at rapidfire that's only ten shots.

>>54121100

That is like saying that having BS 2+ is better than BS 5+

>>54121030
Not all SC boxes are equal, however. I tallied the content costs of each and every one the other day.

Best one is the Skitarii one at around 85ukp content costs.

Was sorely disappointed with the IG one at only 70ukp.

Marine one is hilarious at around 67 ukp. Necrons is bad too at around 60 ukp.

But yeah, not all SC boxes are good because some amry builds won't use one or more components - like if you're making infantry IG, you aren't going to use the Russ. The SM one comes with a Dread that you may or may not use. etc.

But in general, yeah. The SCs are great value as long as you're going to use every unit inside.

Also, differs

>>54121033
FYI Bolt Rifles are AP -1

>>54120951
its a hobby and most players see it as a form of mutual respect to allow immersion through modeling detail

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>>54121008
I just can't catch a break with my armies, can I?

>>54121129

That photo of the two Tau players using completely unpainted armies on a featureless board was the best.

>>54121084
and then that one shot misses, fails to wound, or gets saved. now you have to do it with the next squad. and the next. and the next. etc.

and for every set like that, that's one less shot minimum at my killy units.

Thanks, 4 point guy. (3 if conscript. Oh man, I'm going to have to bring along a lone conscript now.)

>>54121030
>>54121039
I was thinking about 2 scion starter sets, and chaos space marine starter set. How many points would that be?

>>54120365
Lone Special Weapons Squad guy with a Demo Charge.

ALLAHU AKBAR

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>>54120967

>>54121113
Sure, but that wasn't the point. 6" more range could also be useful and with AP-1 they'll kill guard, gaunts and boyz more reliably

>>54121137
>$40 unpainted riptides on ebay
Just goes to show that WAACfags were never hugged and always picked last for sports so they are stuck chasing that victory at all costs

>>54120316
>Page 142 – Genestealer Cults Points Values
Change the points per model value for Purestrain
Genestealers to read ‘10’.
>GS got are almost half the price the used to be
ahahahah
AHAHAHA
AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA

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>>54120346

>>54121162
cant run chaos with scions mate, they are opposing factions

>>54120888
Oh boy, now I can actually field a battalion without spending a lot of points on a second HQ.

>>54121179

IG even got suicide cars in the FW index

8th FAQ rulings just keep killing any interest in the game.

For those people feeling burnt on 8e, how are you coping? Sucking it up, going back to an older edition, specialist games or homebrew?

>>54121160
>somehow, all of my shots will miss and i will waste all of my time completely distracted by one dude keeping me from the only objective worth getting.

Lol, ok

>>54120888
take Nitnuckle and Lunk for 0 points

2 grots > one grot

>FW again proves its the WAAC choice

>>54120948
>Death Star
In what way? You can do it once and it's a separate unit (thus targetable first).

>>54121197
How much of a boon is this to GSC? I know nothing about the army.

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Why are Black Library Authors so hell bent on ruining anything chaos related? What they did to Perturabo is ridiculous.

>>54121197
Does anyone here play memestealer cults in 8th? I love the purple and blue of the patriarch and the hybrids and pure stains, and am considering using them as my first army. How do they measure up to other armies?

>>54121216
fuck. so which 2-3 starter sets would give me a good 2k pts army?

>>54121246
What did they do?

>>54121252
1d4chan 40k tactics.

read everything and come back

>>54120888
Da big grot.

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stompa is overpriced by about 300 points
>no change
purestrain genestealers overpriced by maybe a couple of points
>make them 10 ppm
wording on mob rule is hopelessly ambiguous
>no clarification
couple of units have <ORK> instead of ORK
>issue errata ASAP
Battlewagon makes flash gitz vaguely playable
>nerf that shit
Sicaran infiltrators a bit shit but still somewhat playable
>nerf them more
Guard heavy weapons teams and conscripts threaten to break the game
>ignore it
Due to wording on the default close combat weapon rule, some units still can't use it
>ignore the issue
Default close combat weapon has an AP of - instead of 0
>Issue errata ASAP

FFS GW

>Q. If a model is equipped with two chainswords, do they get to make 2 extra close combat attacks?
>A. Yes (though both must be made with a chainsword)

but
>Q. Monstrous scything talons say that if the bearer has more than one pair it can make one additional attack. How many extra attacks does a Trygon, which has three pairs of monstrous scything talons, make?
>A. It makes a total of one additional attack.

t-thanks gw

>>54120733
I see your tac marines and raise you dire avengers

>>54121268
>trusting 1d4chan

>>54121226
8th has only been out for two weeks.

How many games have you played that cause you to already feel burnt out?

>>54120413
They cost a bit more for the Look Out Sir and the being able to choose from a crapton of wargear.

Acolyte w flamer is 17 points
Acolyte w storm bolter is 10 points
Acolyte w power maul is 12 points

they still have their uses

>>54121242
They are now a point cheaper than the acolytes. Also even with cult icons being 20 points each now my list actually went down in points due to how much chearper the genestealers are.

>>54121280
There will probably be a separate points balancing update later on

What's the fucking point of Marks now? I used to be able to get T4 Cultists for cheap objective-fuckers with a Mark of Nurgle. Either I am blind as fuck and the Index does mention any bonuses a mark confers, they've flat out removed mark bonuses (i.e. nerfed and if so for what fucking reason would they nerf chaos Marks???) or the book is so poorly written that it's going to need an FAQ.

What the fuck? Help me out here.

>>54120608
Personally, me and a friend just ignore the new cover and LOS rules, we just replace them with 7th and carry on with our lives. GW don't think anything through.

>>54121251
Thye are good, but very restricted. you need a guard detachment around to provide good AA and tanks. Hybrides are great (both neophites and acolites)
>>54121242
GS are our strongest anti-infantry assult units by far, crazy fast, a billion attacks, wiht a base of ap-1 and potential of ap-3, and all hitting on 2+ if you have a primus or a patricarch nearby

>>54121291
Maybe he plays some historical gamers who just field legions of conscripts.

>>54121281
Look at the wording it fits.
Scything talons say"if armed with more than 1 pair..."
3 is still more than one.

>>54121268
>>54121290
yeah. that and if you can't help then you don't have to be snarky.
First people say that 3 sets make a good army. I ask which one, as mixing seems to be illegal. It is a simple question.

>>54121305
We're supposed to wait for the codex. Then maybe they'll fix it.

>>54121296
>>54121318
God damn, sounds really good then.

>>54121324
The wording was one extra attack with THIS weapon IE with each weapon, which is the same wording as on the chainsword

>>54121305
Welcome to 3 weeks ago?

The index is not the codex

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>>54121210
Space book has been revised to accomodate delicious aeldari waifus

t. Guilliman

>>54121280
>wording on mob rule is hopelessly ambiguous
To who, someone who cant read?

>>54121305
>paying 4 ppm for marks when you could literally just buy another cultist instead.

Marks do nothing but effect which icon you can take and effect which buffs you can recieve from other units.

>>54121305
It's a free army choice indicator keyword.
Like craftworld, hivefleet, etc.
Except rules to refer to those keywords later.

>>54120888
Yes, please do.

DA RED GOBBO RIDES AGAIN!

>Reading the FAQ's, seeing a lot of things that make sense but will cause much butthurt to certain people
This is hilarious, GW properly BTFO those faggo-
>Sees Exalted Sorcerers got a point increase
REEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>54121246
Perty was always just a whiney self-absorbed bitch. Nothing in Hammer of Olympia changed that.

>Farsight redirected a full half of his custom shield’s power into one massive outward burst, sending the cyborgs clambering upon him scattering in all directions. He took aim at the iron padlocks holding the tau captives inside their jail, and bolts of plasma winged out.
>The locks fell away, and hundreds of tau civilians burst from the iron cages in a shouting, screaming mass. They did not flee, but charged straight for their oppressors and the flaming psyker-thing in their midst. Half a dozen earth caste tau barrelled into the mind-warrior bodily, the momentum of their solidly-built forms bearing the Space Marine over the lip of the platform. In a knot of bodies they toppled into the magma below, plummeting down in a flailing mass of flame, flesh and cloth.
>The earth caste scientists screamed as they burned alive in yellow flame, but still they did not release their grip. Farsight watched the psyker sink into the molten rock, borne under by the most unlikely of assailants. The Space Marine screamed in defiance as the liquid magma flowed into his eyes, his nose, his mouth. To him, the incandescent lava may have been like water. But then water could still drown.
>‘We have communality,’ said Farsight in response. ‘It is called the Tau’va.’

lel he just used tau prisoners as a suicide weapon

>>54121312
Personally, I like the idea that anything 50% obscured gets cover. Even infantry.

>>54121375
>Randomly nerfing Sicarian Infiltrators
>make sense

Did they assume they'd always get to shoot their pistols in melee or something? Because they REALLY won't.

>>54121318
Like this:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Genestealer-Cults-Neophyte-Hybrid-Squad

>>54121345
Terrifically sorry, old boy. I haven't bothered to buy an index chaos until now so I hadn't seen the lack of chaos mark bonuses and I was unable to use the internet for weeks. Next time I'll not ask a question in case some anonymous autist gets offended he's seeing something repetitive. Though I did believe you guys loved repetitious things.

>>54120316
New faqs? Oh boy oh boy oh boy

And guess what? You can take coven units in a ynari army.

Fuckin
told
You

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>>54120316

So in this new edition I am finally saving up to buy a titan. Yay. I have decided on a reaver as I think Warhounds are too puny and warlords cost too much.

What I am unsure about though is the weapon loadout. I am definitely going for a volcano cannon because I need to be able to kill other titans at that scale and I have a boner for laser weapons.

The laser blaster seems...not awesome....anymore. Which is a shame because I love laser weapons. Would a Gatling blaster be appropriate? I'm not sure how important killing infantry will be for a titan and the Gatling blaster isn't that great at killing things like Tau'nar suits, which the laser blaster would be good at (wounding on 3's, unless it gets buffed to s16 like the turbo laser and TLD).

Then for the carapace weapon, it seems like Turbo Laser destructors aren't the immediate go to anymore. The apocolypse missile launcher seems ok, but S7 seems like a turn off. The incinerator missile bank seems great because It's a lot of hits vs. infantry, but it's not as good as killing terminators and marines as the gatling blaster. There's also the Plasma Blastgun to consider.

Any thoughts?

>>54121405
eh?

>>54121344
No, it's not.
The qualifier is different.
Monstrous qualify if "more than one pair" you only qualify once, no matter how many more than 1 you have.
Chainswords don't have that qualifier

>>54121423
I hate how IG looks. How are word bearers and adeptus mechanicus? I want a cult or faith themed army. Also, fuck the emperor and aelves.

>>54121252
Let's see some SC x3

Adeptus MEchanicus - 30 guys, 3 tech priests, 3 onagers. good base.

Chaos Marines - 3 chaos lords in termie armor, 3 helbrutes, 30 marines (that can be converted into other stuff). Good base.

Astra Militarum - 3 Leman Russes, 3 commissars, 3 heavy weapons teams (one squad), 30 guys. Not bad, will need more (command squad, etc).

Tau - 3 ethreals, 9 crisis suits, 30 fire warriors. Good base, dunno how useful the ethreals are but the suits are pretty ok. Convert some into commanders and you're meta-friendly.

Dark Eldar - 3 archons (too much?), 3 Raiders (great), 30 dudes, 9 reavers (ok). Decent base.

Orks - situational. 3 deff dreads (ok), 33 boyz (need more), 15 nobz (good), 3 painboyz (huh).

Not good for army building:
Nids (3 hive tyrants...overkill)
Eldar (fire prisms and jetbikes)

>>54121425
yeah, so you qualify, therefor allowing each weapon to make an extra attack, same as the chain sword rules. once you reach the requirments the wrods are the same, so the rules should be

>>54120316
New plague marines?

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>>54121030
>tfw can only get 15% off in burgerstan
to ebay I go, I guess

>>54121094
>he thinks SoB are broken
Tell me on what turn the SoB player table you?

>>54121443
I dont think you ment to quote me, becuase i am very confused as to how the follows on

>>54121394
Tau confirmed for basically ants.

Also plz share book.

>>54121251
I'm normally Nids (and guard...so I guess GSC is a natural progression).

But the sudden price drop on GSC purestrains has me thinking of partitioning some of my 'stealers for a GSC army (I have around 80 of the buggers, mostly the old ones so it's perfect for GSC while I keep the new ones for my Tyranids).

>>54121409
no u cant

>>54121451
Are you blind?
Or just being stupid.
By your argument having 2 pair gives you two extra attacks because each one give you the extra.
Actually the rule is on scything talon not pair. So by your argument, 2 pair gives you 4 extra attacks.

>>54121252
>>54121448
Note that the Ork Start Collection box is technically illegal as an army because there's no HQ.

>>54121372
I understand this logic completely but with T4 and the new Sigmorale system I am thinking that T4 results in more models sticking around. I've seen guard units without a commissar lose 10 models in a shooting phase and another 8 models in the morale phase just because they lost tons of units to cheap massed fire of orks.

>>54121467
>ebay

Just make sure they've got plenty of good reviews otherwise enjoy you're shitty recasts.

>>54121507
>By your argument having 2 pair gives you two extra attacks because each one give you the extra.
yes
>Actually the rule is on scything talon not pair. So by your argument, 2 pair gives you 4 extra attacks.
no

>>54121519
So split up the squads you dummy.

>>54121443
Word Bearers are currently just CSM but have a history of fairly meh bonuses.

Admech are pretty damn good ATM and are about to get a big pile of new stuff when Forge World releases a book for them. We have a couple problems, chief among them high HQ taxes and poor mobility, but we're VERY shooty and can be deceptively tough. Models are a PITA to paint, though.

>>54121498
I honestly don't know if your retarded or just pretending.

>>54121470
Well, my comment was a bit exaggerated. But I think it is wishful thinking to apply AoF to units without the rule.

>>54121528
So stupid.
Well FAQ says go fuck yourself

>>54121538
actually i am just pretending, but i think that only makes it worse

>>54121552
kek, That kind of what i was complaing about in the first place, but you were too retartded to think for a second.

Anyone mind posting the rules for the standard malcador tank for a confused fag?

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>>54120927
>>54120903
>>54120888
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2KRpRMSu4g

>record scratch
>freeze frame
>"Yep. That's me. So yeah, I be right now you're probably wondering how I got here huh?"

>>54121519
Also you could just take poxwalkers in your 《NURGLE》 army. They have effectively feel no pain which makes them much tougher with the new system and they can recruit new members from the same Necron Warrior.

>>54121508
You can probably covert up one of the Nobz as a Warboss or a Big Mek

and/or convert one of the Boyz as a Weirdboy

>>54121533
There is that too but what if I am trying to adhere to a detachment with limited troops choices?

>>54121443
Do Word Bearers Dark Mechanicum

>>54121543
It made sense, the rule simply gave a single AoF to <keyword> Unit.

Celestine could only give one and and you need a 4+ with the image thing to give a AoF to another thing.

It was hardly broken or abuseable.

>>54121573
First FAQ told Wu Tang idiots they were being stupid.
Now they're saying you are also being stupid.

>>54121613
Yes and no. It also makes sense that only units with the AoF rule may make AoFs.

>>54121537
Guess I'm going admech then. At least Kastelan Robots look awesome. Same with skitarii vanguards. Don't you just spray most dudes leadbelcher and then do the robes n shit?

++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (T'au Empire) [57 PL, 997pts] ++

+ HQ [10 PL, 224pts] +

Cadre Fireblade [3 PL, 58pts]: Markerlight [3pts], 2x MV1 Gun Drone [16pts]

Commander [7 PL, 166pts]: Advanced targeting system [8pts], Cyclic ion blaster [18pts], 2x Missile pod [48pts], 2x MV1 Gun Drone [16pts]

+ Troops [12 PL, 168pts] +

Strike Team [4 PL, 56pts]: 2x MV1 Gun Drone [16pts]
. Fire Warrior Shas'ui [8pts]: Pulse rifle
. 4x Fire Warrior w/ Pulse Rifle [32pts]

Strike Team [4 PL, 56pts]: 2x MV1 Gun Drone [16pts]
. Fire Warrior Shas'ui [8pts]: Pulse rifle
. 4x Fire Warrior w/ Pulse Rifle [32pts]

Strike Team [4 PL, 56pts]: 2x MV1 Gun Drone [16pts]
. Fire Warrior Shas'ui [8pts]: Pulse rifle
. 4x Fire Warrior w/ Pulse Rifle [32pts]

+ Elites [26 PL, 485pts] +

DX-4 Technical Drones [2 PL, 32pts]: 2x DX-4 Technical Drone [2 PL, 32pts]

XV104 Riptide Battlesuit [17 PL, 326pts]: 2x Fusion blaster [42pts], Advanced targeting system [8pts], Heavy burst cannon [55pts], Target lock [12pts]

XV25 Stealth Battlesuits [7 PL, 127pts]: MV1 Gun Drone [8pts]
. 2x Stealth Shas'ui w/ Advanced targeting system [76pts]: 2x Advanced targeting system [16pts], 2x Burst cannon [20pts]
. Stealth Shas'vre [43pts]: Fusion blaster [21pts], Velocity tracker [2pts]

+ Fast Attack [9 PL, 120pts] +

Pathfinder Team [3 PL, 40pts]
. 5x Pathfinder [40pts]: 5x Markerlight [15pts]

Pathfinder Team [3 PL, 40pts]
. 5x Pathfinder [40pts]: 5x Markerlight [15pts]

Pathfinder Team [3 PL, 40pts]
. 5x Pathfinder [40pts]: 5x Markerlight [15pts]

++ Total: [57 PL, 997pts] ++
Revised the list because technical drones can only heal once a turn so 5 was a massive waste.
But correct me if I'm wrong here, but drone controller + drone uplink = 3+ sniper drones?

>>54120888
Model him with a big old microphone
>I'Z THE BOSS'S TOP GROT, YOU LOT GOTTA LISTEN TO ME

>>54121590
>Necrons can be raised by the zombie virus

All of my ree

>>54121448
I swear to God am not trying to troll, but what does good base mean? Because 3 starter sets is a lot of money, so if I would have to buy a lot more stuff, then AoS seems cheaper. If it is just one or two blisters or a box, to have a good 2000 pts lists am ok to pay extra .

Also I noticed that all the starter boxs has a leader dude, and can one use more then one of them ?

>>54120673
Depends on army, You can start chaos for nice money this ed.

Hey guys, rate my list.

<IMPERIUM> Vanguard Detachment

>HQ
Celestine (0 Celestine, 1 Geminae Superior) - 54

Azrael (0 Azrael, 1 Lion helm bearer) - 0

>Elites
Deathwing knights squad (0 Deathwing knights, 1 Watcher in the dark) - 5 points

Deathwing terminator squad (0 Deathwing terminators, 1 Watcher in the dark) - 5 points

Terminator squad (0 Terminators, 1 Teleport homer) - 0

Terminator assault squad (0 Terminators, 1 Teleport homer) - 0

>Heavy support
Devastator squad (0 Devastators, 1 Armorium cherub) - 5 points

>Total: 69 points

>>54121644
I would say be warned, Skitarii are not a beginner friendly army, either for constructing or painting. Vanguards/Rangers are a bitch for all their fiddly details. But if its what you want, baptism by fire might be good practice.

>>54121291
Eh, got to test it pre-leak, and the erratas have continually just required too much suspension of disbelief, beyond "muh abstraction".

Mostly, it's just the game feels like a rushjob, the straight copypaste of AOS rules simply not working for a lot of things in 40k. The "can't shoot at characters" part in particular has been...rather easy to exploit, since I have so many leftover Tzeentch Heralds from before the WoM Burning Chariot pricehike.

Also, the removal of IC rules is annoying, since it leads to weird (and frankly anti-narrative) scenarios like "Berzerkers charge, Kharn just hangs back to chill", or "A Farseer hangs out in the open with no bodyguards, knowing he cannot be shot." (And amusingly, his Ghosthelm which is designed to protect against the Warp also works quite well versus Sniper rounds too!)

I also do miss challenges a little. Hunting down Loyalist Marines and herohammer grinding them was *fun* (especially since their sergeants usually didn't bother with Power Weapons).

Also, the fact Chaos Space Marines get a safety mode on their plasma is fluffrape.

Will people think I'm a WAACfag if I take an Imperial Knight with Rapid Fire Demolisher Cannon and as much dakka as possible in a 2kpts army

>>54121655
>Chaos is fickle!

>>54121280
Stompas have always been over priced.

>>54121659
what would I have to buy to start a 2000pts chaos army?

>>54121667
Oh, I've been painting skaven and nurgle for a year. This is an upgrade.

>>54121676
Cron's are designed from the ground up to be immune to warp-fuckery.

>>54121394
They did that shit on their own volition.

>>54121644
You can, but then you have to do all the lenses, cables, guns and bronze trim. Generally most are a little fiddly. They were my first army, though, and they do force you to Git Mediocre nice and quickly.

Also, truly stupendous possibility for converting things, since there's a bullion subcults and orders and whatever that all have their own nonsense.

>>54121655
Celestine and the Geminae Twins can turn into zombies then come back to life too. Are they zombie tears?

>>54121702
Not anymore, enjoy your new zombie-zombie-bots

>>54121693
Start Collecting Chaos

>>54121674
Yes

>>54121640
The same units that are usually inside a transport or can't really use it.

How AoF work you need to be on the table to use it.

Also D3 hand flamers was uncalled for. Guess Inferno pistols all day every day it is the new thing

>>54121718
marines or demons. because there are three starters I saw.

>>54121716
Yo dawg, I heard you like necromancy, so I infected your Necrons with the Poxwalker Virus, so you can have a zombie apocalypse while you have a zombie apocalypse!

>>54121713
If you really want to trigger your friends, buy their armies models and zombify them.
>zombie crons
>zombie primaris
>zombie gemini

>>54121747
Yes

>>54121160
Dude if that shot missed or failed to wound it would have by definition done nothing even if shoot at the other squad.

>>54121756
>trigger
Naw man that'd be cool as hell
Then again I am an Ork, and I love conversions so

>>54121756
>zombie drones

>>54121710
I'm already doing clan skryre stuff, which has some of that. Especially the Ikit Claw model and doomwheels. That guy was a bitch.

>>54121783
>zombie orks

It would be appear the Inquisitor spy has actually defected to tau at the novel's end

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>>54121528
>>54121552
It's not as clear cut as you think.

If you look at the wording: "If the bearer has more than one pair of scything talons, it can make one additional attack with this weapon each time it fights."

So you can actually interpret it similarly to chainswords. If a Ravener has 2 pairs of scything talons, its weapons loadout is:

pair of scytals #1
pair of scytals #2

So it technically has two of them. Since it has more than one pait, it triggers the rule. It can make one additional attack with THIS weapon each time it fights.

If it has two of the weapons, the rule triggers for each one. So +1 for the first pait, +1 for the second pair.

But GW really has to fix some shit there because in the first place, there is no weapon with the name "pair of scything talons" - there's only "scything talons".

So a more literal anal RAW reading, just like "two lascannons = 2x lascannon", a "pair of scything talons" literally means 2 of the weapons with the profile in the pic, named "scything talons".

The problem here is which model is armed with "pairs" of scything talons and which ones are just armed with "scything talons".

Raveners -> "Each model is armed with two pairs of scything talons"

Hormagaunts -> "Each model is armed with a pair of scything talons"

Tyranid Prime -> "...armed with scything talons and..."

IMHO, GW has to standardize the legalistic name for the weapon. We know what they mean, but what is written and what they mean are two entirely different things.

>>54121756
With so many heal D3 or revive single model.
40k officially has said fuck you to thermodynamics

>>54121663
Umm. Okay?
Is this some kind of joke? Or something?
It's not really funny. Like, at all.
So here is a pity (You) I guess. Keep trying... or not. Please, just stop.

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How should I build nobz and boyz? There are so many options that I feel overwhelmed desu. I have two units of each
>inb4 magnetize your shit
Oh sure I will but I just don't know what my greenskinz should carry

>>54121756
>>54121789
>>54121800
>zombie memes

>>54121658
Good base = easy to expand upon but fieldable on its own and yes you can use multiple leaders but their effectiveness varies greatly

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>>54121716
>Poxwalker kills Death Korpsman
>Reanimates sealed inside suit designed to defeat biological weaponry
>Can't bite anyone due to gasmask
>Does nothing but carry Korpsman's equipment back towards the reserve trenches, meaning the Quartermaster doesn't have to carry it as far to reissue it

DKoK: 1
Traitorshits: 0

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>>54121806
>zombie thermodynamics

>>54121816
>zombie conscripts
>zombie stormravens
>zombie pox walkers

>>54120605
just reducing their attacks a bit doesn't matter when you still get to shoot the uzi for 20000000000billion shots

>>54121813
Slugga Boyz. Boss Nobz with Power Klaws.

>>54121382
IMBLYING

>>54121806
Pretty sure 40k and actual science parted ways many, many moons ago.

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How does my inquisitor look? Hopefully inquisitorial.

>>54121813
Going 30 man squad of sluggas and a 30 man squad of shootas doesn't hurt.
Nobs can really vary, but big choppas are actually pretty good this edition. I'm gonna try out a bunch of nobs with choppas and sluggas next time I play, cause I think they might actually be pretty neat.

Exalted Sorcs got a 30 pt bump
Why?

So looks like GW decided to allow haemonculus covens units to join up with ynnari, but it required an errata.

So are the new DG any good? They're my alternative to starting with Admech, as I already own a prince and lots of daemons.

>>54121746
>How AoF work you need to be on the table to use it.
I see no problem with that. Apart from Penitent engines not having AoF.

>Also D3 hand flamers was uncalled for.
I agree

>>54121849
Emprah should have recruited his sister instead of him, she was actually intelligent and well adjusted.

>>54121813
sluggas are real good but shootas aren't a bad choice.

Big choppas are real nice now for the points but you'll always want the option of a few klaw guys

Does anyone have a link for the Imperial munitorum manual?

>>54121668
Personally I feel people calling it AoS 2.0 focus on the AoS and forget how much 2.0 there is.

The character stuff you are complaining about isn't in AoS at all, because long range shooting isn't as common there.

Str and tough are things. Melee stops all shooting but pistols. Easy to get models to attack in melee. There are a lot of improvements over AoS.

>Page 93 – Catacomb Command Barge
>Add ‘Character’ to this unit’s Keywords line.

YES

YEEEEEEEEESSSSSS

>>54121370
It's not clear if you can use another unit's size as your leadership. It's not clear if you can 'daisy chain' leadership between units which aren't in range of each other but are in range of a unit in the middle.

>>54121861
>Going 30 man squad of sluggas and a 30 man squad of shootas doesn't hurt.
Anon, I have only 22 boyz - I want to start with 1000pts army before I will go full waaagh and dakka

>>54121884
It's not hard to be a better game than AoS.

>>54121901
All slugga you grot

>>54121867
>zombie daemons

>>54121901
Only 22, full on sluggas then. Smash da 'umies!

>>54121901
You'll want Slugga boyz and find a way to get 8 more Boyz. Green Tide means we NEED to stay above 20 so we get 4 attacks.

Best way to get into CC is to use Da Jump weirdboy power.

>>54121804
And now it is clear cut and fits what was clearly intended.
Anon arguing for multiple extra attacks is just trying to weasle like the Wu Tang, and like them got told off.

>>54121394
what kinda fucking strength do these guys got??
isnt a spess supposed to weigh like a gorillion tonnes?

>>54121008
You mean Seraphim hand flamers? That's just a correction. Hand Flamers were already Pistol D3 under Blood Angels. And Sister Superiors being able to take Power Weapons and Combi Weapons at the same time is a pretty nice buff.

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>>54120316
Few 40k generals ago had a decent debate if infantry in battlewagons count as having moved after the wagon moves.
GW confirmed nay.

>>54121903
AoS added a lot of positive changes. It was also full of mistakes.
Fix a lot of the mistakes, and you're left with positive changes.

>>54120316
>The FAQ on scything talons doesn't actually answer the question

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>>54120365

I guess it means That Guy could technically spam single model special weapons squads because he "doesn't have enough models to fill out the entire unit", but I doubt anyone possesses a level of faggotry high enough to try that.

>>54121884
That's why it's AoS 2.0
When really it should've been 40k 2.0
It needed fixing, not copy-pasting from a completely different ruleset so that every vehicle in the game now "loses steam pressure" as it gets wounded.

>>54121945
>isnt a spess supposed to weigh like a gorillion tonnes?

According to everything I've seen. A marine weighs half an american ton and his armour another half. So just about one ton together.

>>54121919
>zombie kastelan robots

Are they the new meme?

>>54121986
No, he can't. The "one unit" restriction is still there.

>>54120647
put them in front of heroes with low toughness, like infantry, and your opponent has to shoot them instead of your hero, and they'll get to use their 4+ saves, which will probably be better than most infantry heroes can muster. You can, additionally, use Savior Protocols for sniper shots.

Shield Drones as ablative wounds for Commanders and other tougher heroes is silly, since they are tough enough as they are. For Commanders, might as well use Gun Drones.

>>54120365
Isn't it 1 unit allowed per army?

>>54121986
Non MSU are limited to one so he cant even if he wanted to

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Has anyone bought from these guys before?

>http://resingame.com/f15.html

Forgeworld aren't selling grenadiers anymore for some reason and I really want to start a guard army with 8th.

>>54121990
Have you considered that AOS was just a test to see if their system would fit with their favorite child? GW only uses AOS as a tool to test and tweak ideas.

>>54121995
They existed before, but only as ForgeWorld, so now I bet people will convert zombies out of everything.

>>54121970
AoS was a beta-testing for the new 40k, and now 40k will work as beta-testing for AoS 2.0. In GHB2 we will see a new rules of one so I think it's the new playtesting system for GW

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>>54120417
>>54120644

Somebody narked

>>54121976
I don't think they understand the logical error they made by giving a weapon a rule that grants it +1 attack with it if the model has 2 of that weapon.

>>54120365
You only get one. Not a huge deal.

>>54122008
shhhh they can't read.

>>54121990
Except they kept trying 40k 2.0, we we're at 4.0 of the 3e base. And what we got was a mess.
The core system needed overhauling.
A minor tweek wouldn't have been worth buying.

>>54121658
Yup, you can use more than one "leader" (HQ). In fact, some detachments require more than one.

Good base means that it's a good solid army to start with, which you then expand with more units depending on which way you want to go with your army.

2000 points is a big jump. Most of the boxes are around 400-600 points each. Let's take the Skitarii one. Let's assume a basic build (not sure if they have enough special weapons)

Tech Priest Dominus 125 pts = [145 pts]
omnissian axe, erad ray 14, phosphor serpenta 6

Onager Dunecrawler 90 pts = [143 pts]
neutron+cogstubber 45+8

10 SKitarii - let's assume you split these into 2 squads of 5
5 Skitarii squad 50 pts [78 pts]
2 plasma 28

5 Skitarii squad 50 pts = [100 pts]
2 arquebus 50

So that single boxed set netted you around 466 points. Two sets will be on the way to a 1000 point army, you just need maybe more Skitarii or an Ironstrider.

This is for AdMech though - some armies' boxes sets won't even reach that high. The Astra Militarum one for example is barely 300 points (Leman Russ 200, Infantry 90, Commissar 30).

>>54120648
You literally just got linked the rule with relevant highlights and still got it wrong.

>>54121813
Basically, every option seems viable. You probably want to give most nobz a shoota or better (an easy conversion), since sluggas suck now (but slugga-choppa boyz are fine due to choppas being good). Big choppas aren't bad now, but power klaws are still good and the new powa stabba is great value. Kustom kombi-rokkit is overpriced, but the skorcha one is good. Be sure to take some cheap models in your nobz unit to absorb casualties.

>>54121959
Well HB for IG is 8 points for SoB it is 10. Seraphim hand flamers being better would not surprise me.

Also why Crusaders have AoF while PE don't? Not even Exorcist that work almost like Ork meme magic

>>54122066
Use vanguards you twat. They're objectively better than rangers for combat.

>>54122059
Am perfectly fine with shaking the system up.
Am less fine with having two games operate on basically the same system.
Just feels like a money making scheme.

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>>54120316
Did GW ever establish what an aura ability is?

How does a 20 strong squad of boys in a battle wagon interact with mob rule? Far as i can tell its not an aura its just checking for other units within 6.

Even with the FAQ RaW far as i can tell lets me slap 20 shoota boyz in a battle wagon to mob rule off of for the stuff around it.

It seems to be intentional, but with what the FaQ did to flash gitz im having some doubts.

Am i missing something?

>>54121693
Dark Imperium DG set, Start colecting Nurgle demons, get some plauge marines and pox walkers off ebay for cheap and fill rest with heavy supports, tanks and big guys like demon princes.

>>54121780
assuming it was a one-shot weapon, sure. Rapid-firing bolter? Two shots = 2 potential guys dead. Two shots on a single dude = max 1 guy dead. And it gets better the more shots per weapon you use.

>>54122126
>Even with the FAQ RaW far as i can tell lets me slap 20 shoota boyz in a battle wagon to mob rule off of for the stuff around it.
No it's doesn't? Embarked units are not on the table and don't do ANYTHING.

>>54122111
Totally different settings.
Besides the core stats, rolling mechanics etc were shared between the two systems for a long time.

Friend of mine bought the spedicion fists banner bearer and insists on using it on the 50mm base so he can spread his bubble that much further.

Anyone know a way I can punish him for it?

>>54121813
Kombi rokkits and powa stabbas

>>54121864
dunno, but for those points Im gonna fukin use Dark Hereticus powers, and say Fuck You to any who say I cant.

>>54121919
Pox walkers killing pox walkers
>zombie zombie

>>54122141
>Embarked units are not on the table and don't do ANYTHING.

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