Actual Modern General

>>54105022
>What are your favorite decks?
Mono Red Tron, Skred, 8-Whack, Goblinstorm
>How do they tech against your local meta?
I don't have a meta because nobody plays fucking magic around here.
>Do you have any pet decks?
Naya Allies

>>54105143
I see yoy like Red. I also like Red. What's your list for red Tron, why do you play it, and what do you think the advantage is over GB Tron?

>>54105189
I like red Tron because it gives me access to Blood Moon.

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>>54105189
It's basically just a bad tron deck, but it's using Blasphemous Act, burn doublers and Stuffy Doll to meme people out of the game.

If you ask for actual advantages, it's probably better against fast aggro decks that aren't death's shadow. Which isn't horrible, since that's how you usually beat Tron.

>>54105390
That's a spicy meme, friend. I'll try it out next Friday.

>>54105453
Oh and if you can't find a Doll, just Banefire them for 33 and don't give a fuck about Counterspells.

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>top decks are Grixis Shadow and Eldrazi Tron

Does anyone else feel like Selesnya Charm/Selesnya decks could be well positioned as an anti-meta deck? The 5 or higher power is easily met by the Eldrazi/Death's Shadow. If DS tries to to target you with discard, the Charm can make a 2/2 vigilance blocker in response, leaving your hand full of nonland cards like Loxodon Smiter. Similarly, if a Reality Smasher touches down, you can Selesnya Charm/Path to Exile to remove it, then discard a Smiter/Wilt-Leaf to the effect and have it come into play. You've got Wrath of God incase you come up against go-wide strategies like Merfolk and Elves, and the Charm lets your creatures punch through with trample. White gives you access to probably the best side-board silver bullets in the game too, things like Rule of Law to disrupt Storm, Stony Silence against Affinity, and Rest in Peace against Dredge. Plus cards like Suppression Field are just miserable for decks using a lot of Fetchlands or Planeswalkers.

Idk, it just seems pretty versatile, which we've seen can be valuable in a spell like Blessed Alliance, yet no deck is taking advantage of it (or any Green/White decks being played at all).

>>54105572
But how do you win? Just hating everyone else out? Make a bunch of tokens?

>>54105572
Best answer to grixis death shadow is protection from black, which pretty much only white gets. Think about it, how does gds deal with protection from black if u resolve it

>>54105641
They discard it from your hand before you can resolve it.

>>54105637

Hitting them in the face with a 4/4 seems like a solid plan, idk. I wouldn't got wide with Selesnya tokens, it seems like B/W does a better job on the token front (particularly with Sorin) and it hobbles White's ability to Wrath of God effectively.

>>54105022
Is there any good temur decks in modern?

>>54105673
Also, how do you deal with E. Tron's mainboard chalices?

>>54105702
Most of his beaters are cmc 3 or 4, so I don't think he gets hit by chalice too hard.

>>54105657
Leyline of sanctity. Oh no, shields up

>>54105702
Artifact/enchantment destruction is way in green and white. Plus charm and path means they need two chalices out.

>>54105699
Eternal Command is pretty fun.

>>54105699
Scapeshift for the control/combo feels. However it's inferior to titanshift ...

I have a modern pptq soon what do I play, my options are:

eldrazi & taxes, g/x tron, merfolk

>>54106006
Tron

>>54105699
RUG delver is loads of fun but pretty difficult to pilot

>>54106018
thanks m80, I'm thinking g/b with push and collective brutality

I haven't played for a while.
Is the infinite mana + recruiter + ballista combo just straight up better than the old finks combo in chord decks?

Why is the crap thread getting pushed.

I've been running Jund Delerium. Words well enough

>>54106250
It's debatable

Both have their perks

>>54105022

I main Rakdos Tempo Control. Basically blow everything up and become a huge threat.

My favorite deck is my Tribal Rakdos Minotaurs, aka my Moo-Moo deck. My group fucking hates it with a passion.

>Felhide Petrifier + Rageblood Shaman + Neheb, the Worthy = Deathtouch / Trample / +1/+1 / Firststrike / +2/+0

>Lord of Shatterskull Pass + Felhide + Lvl 6 = Swing for boardwipe

>Anaba Shaman + Felhide = (M)(>): Destroy target creature

>Kragma Warcaller + Neheb the Worthy = +4/+0 and Haste and Firststrike

Though Mogis is not a "Minotaur", I run two of him because, c'mon he's a fucking Minotaur.

Also run some Dreadbore, Terminate, and Unlicensed Disintegration for extra removal. I have 4x Darksteel Citadel and 2x Rakdos Signets as artifacts for UD to trigger off of.

Scry with Temple of Malice, and gain life through Whip of Erebos.

I've beat the fuck out of Elf decks with it and have stomped out 34 damage with just four creatures before. Most I've swung with recently was 84 with 9 creatures.

Than, the icing on the cake... Savage Beating. Sweet, sweet Double Strike + 2nd Combat Phase. This also re-triggers Kragma and Neheb, as they are once again attacking and the turn has not ended. So slap an additional +2/+0 for each one of them onto everything again.

>>54107612
this sounds like kitchen table jank 2bh

>>54107637

Oh, it very much is ;)

It was one of the first Tribal decks I wanted to build but it kept falling short. Kaladesh / Amonkhet really tied it together with UD and Neheb.

>>54106034
>rug delver

RUG delver crashes and burns in the wrong hands but holds together nicely if the pilot isn't timmy playing his big fat goyfs with giant numbers instead of sitting on counterspells like a proper tempo player does

>Nonland (37)
3 Thoughtseize
3 Inquisition of Kozilek
4 Path to Exile
2 Fatal Push
4 Serum Visions
1 Countersquall
4 Snapcaster Mage
4 Dark Confidant
3 Geist of Saint Traft
1 Esper Charm
4 Lingering Souls
1 Sorin, Lord of Innistrad
1 Supreme Verdict
2 Tasigur the Golden Fang
>Land (23)
4 Polluted Delta
4 Flooded Strand
2 Watery Grave
1 Godless Shrine
1 Hallowed Fountain
1 Glacial Fortress
1 Drowned Catacomb
2 Vault of the Archangel
1 Ghost Quarter
2 Island
1 Swamp
1 Plains
2 Creeping Tar Pit

Well /tg/? Am I a retarded for running Bob and Tasigur?

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Dick pics??

>>54105657
Oh, so you expect to have a combo of leyline+protection from black? That's unreliable at best.

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>>54107837
Holy fuck this potato camera.
Switch a war marshal for another piledriver, yes or no?

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Lel,

Scarab Nest + Black Sun Zenith is HILARIOUS

>>54107837
>Still using Deadshot Minotaur in the current year

>>54107824
First time taking it out? What sorts of results is it giving you?

>>54108183
dude what

list?

>>54108192
muhfugga a 1 mana cycler is a 1 mana cycler

What else are you going to run in his slot?

>>54108250
List doesn't matter. Just have a Nest of Scarabs out, then cast Black Sun's Zenith for a larger amount. For example if there is 3 creatures on the battlefield and you cast BSZ putting 5 counters on each creature, you get 15 scarabs. I just cast it again afterward :D

>>54108219
Haven't tested it yet, only just put it together and ordered the cards. My LGS is pretty cool about proxies if you're actually making a deck though. It's almost impossible to make a bad goodstuff deck from good cards though.

>>54108289
Something that won't kill my archfiend of ifnir, like more archfiends, or twisted abomination.

Is there any fun to be had with a white life gain deck based around things like ajanis pridemate and felidar sovereign? maybe also ajani mentor of heroes. I'm pretty new to magic constructed but i've been playing the game for quite a while and want to make my own deck at some point soon

>>54108426
Ajani's Pridemate? Yes.
Look up Soul Sisters, runs 4 Soul Warden 4 Soul Attendant 4 Pridemate, as well as some other neat stuff.
Fairly well positioned at the moment I feel too, especially if you can afford a few Aurioks.

>>54108183
Fuck. Was just flip flopping between building fish and faeries and now I wanna build something with this.

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>>54107837

how does the BW eldrazi (not EnT) deck matchup against GDS and ETron?

>>54105022
>What are your favorite decks?
Currently: Affinity, Grixis Shadow.

>How do they tech against your local meta?
Plenty of graveyard hate (Nihil Spellbomb).

>Do you have any pet decks?
Define pet deck.

>>54107837
>Want to take picture of Ponza
>Can't, left it at the shop so a regular could borrow some Chandras for a standard PPTQ being held there today
He'd made top 8 last I heard.

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>>54108408
>Still using 2 mana cyclers in current year

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I really want to like this for some kind of eldrazi or just big guys in general deck but I'm not quite sure.

>>54108721
in modern it may or may not do anything. Stay skeptical though, scry 3 for a blue is pretty nice.

>>54108721
I can see it in some kind of RUG or BUG reanimator or cheat things into play deck. It would need some testing. If you want to try it out you could always try and pre-order a playset.

>>54108463
what a bout a life gain deck in general?

>>54106250
Yes. Not only does it kill your opponent, you can still gain infinite life.

>>54108721
I want to brew some kind of UG Tron garbage with this and UG Nissa

>>54108113
Absolutely, yes.

>>54109004
Tron doesn't run that many creatures though. And half of the ones it DOES run want to be cast.

>>54105657

>"X isn't good against this deck because they can just thoughtseize it"

By that logic even a card that said "2W: Search target opponents deck a choose a card named "Death's Shadow" if you do that player loses the game" wouldn't be good against Death's Shadow because they could force you to discard it.

It's like an even more retarded version of "dies to removal"

Anyone who plays Storm here?
Since I've main decked some apostles blessing to get 0 mana protection from single removal spells the deck seems to win consistently enough against most meta decks, but the few people who play uw make the match up seem almost impossible
Echoing Truth distrupts shit like rule of law, rest in peace and the such, but the abundance of cheap counterspells make it too fucking hard to combo off, expecially since spell snare is a thing and half the deck has 2 mana spells
I already side in dispels and spell snares, have no idea what else to do
Any suggestions?

>>54108721
if only the green part actually cast them it would be top tier anon.

it's still nice for casual play.

>>54105022
there any good izzet decks?

>>54109146
There's nothing you can bring in without watering down your combo, and your opponent still has answers to anything you could bring it. Hope of Ghirapur is great and all but it eats the Paths your opponent left in anyway. Pact of Negation is arguably your best option but it's a dead card elsewhere.

>>54109146
How do you beat Grixis Shadow?

I'd like to play UR Storm, but in my testing, it seems a pretty rough matchup.

>>54109223
-UR Storm
-Possibility Storm
-UR Delver

Don't know if they're good, especially with Death Shadow Grixis making the last one practically obsolete at the moment. Possibility Storm is hilarious because of how you can cast 0 for Emrakul as early as turn 3 with the nuts.

>Lands
4 x Blackcleave Cliffs
4 x Bloodstained Mire
2 x Blooming Marsh
3 x Verdant Catacombs
1 x Blood Crypt
1 x Watery Grave
1 x Stomping Ground
1 x Overgrown Tomb
1 x Swamp
1 x Forest
>Creatures
1 x Dread Wanderer
4 x Insolent Neonate
4 x Gravecrawler
4 x Bloodghast
4 x Prized Amalgam
4 x Hollow One
4 x Street Wraith
4 x Vengevine
>Spells
4 x Faithless Looting
3 x Lightning Axe
4 x Cathartic Reunion
1 x Faithless Looting

>Turn 1
Play an untapped red source, Faithless Looting discarding 2 Vengevines, cycle a Street Wraith, play 4 Hollow ones for 0 mana, get back 2 Vengevines, swing for 8

24 power on the board turn 1. Sounds good to me famalam.

>>54107671
Don't post in this thread ever again

>>54109212
Can you not read?

what modern deck should I buy into that isn't likely to get banned out

>>54108301
True, and the scarab replace the other scarabs.

And indestructible is fuxxxed.

Use that scare crow that cannot get counters on it, and merlinas green guards, janky

>>54109554
forgot to say something on the fast side that's kinda Johnny would be preferable

>>54109522
"put onto battlefield" =/= "cast"

They do this just so they can make a card like that and no one will try making it work with Emrakul.
Don't talk shit if you don't know it.

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>>54109522
>Can you not read?
Right back at you.

>>54109554
Burn has been relevant since the inception of the format and won't see any bans.

For those who think it sucks, it just top 8'd a GP.

>>54109462
Wtf.
5 faithless looting and bad grave yard math.

Now I know I am on 4chan

>>54109554
Can't ever go wrong with Burn.

>>54108721
my 4-color balance deck wait for this card

>>54109648
>>54109660
seems like RWg is the current way to build it, and all I would need is fetches and I have the deck

can't wait to count to 21

>>54109615
>>54109624
I see you guys are so taking the worst kinds of bait

>>54109462
If you want higher variance, just play the Greater Gargadon version of dredge.

>>54109705
>I was merely pretending to be retarded

Your use of "so" makes me think you're underage as well.

>>54109714
Stay mad lmao

>>54109762
Why are you shitposting?

>>54109704
Hope you have fun, brother. Don't forget to slow-roll against Death's Shadow. Horde spells and wait until you can kill them in one turn with spells through counter magic. Pretty soon you'll be spell-slinging with the best of us.

>>54109762
even if he's mad it will pass; you being retarded won't

>>54109798
Why are you responding

>>54109979
How long it take to come up with that, sweetie?

>>54110055
>sweetie
sickest of burns

>>54110230
Obviously rustled your jimmies enough for a reply

>>54110283
retard is a (you) farmer
not surprising, have another one

>>54110515
>he's so mad he HAS to have the last word
Kek

>>54110620
>he

>>54110651
>she

>>54110846
>it

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>>54110846
>>54110651
>>54110620
All of you are faggots, get over it, now to actual business.

Pic related, I play living end and when I saw this, thought naw at first, but thinking a bit more, Im thinking, especially vs aggro match ups this can be brought out early to wall as you cycle into a massive as fuck living end, or post living end, cycle and hard cast for 3-0 mana. Worst comes to worst it's a 2 drop draw a card 4/4 vanilla beatstick.

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>>54110651

Is there a deck that plays 4 goyf and 4 grim flayer?
Is gb/jund delirium even a thing?

>>54111235
I saw plenty of Junk Midrange running both, but that was before death's shadow destroyed the format.

What's expensive in Merfolk other than Vials? Just caverns/mutas?

>>54111329
Just those, yeah.
Everything else is pretty cheap by Modern standards.

>>54111329
multavault is like $10, not really expensive

>>54111506
Oh huh, went way down since I last played. Neat.

>>54111504
Cool, thanks.

>>54111329
Cursecatcher is 8 bucks, which is understandable considering he only had 1 printing
Other than that everything is like 6 bucks or less

>>54111535
Sweet. I might stick to my current deck, pick up aether vials, then see if the EDH shit gives us a Cursecatcher reprint, then. Or I'll get impatient and get it anyway

>>54108183
Should I try making this an alt wincon in monoblack infect? Or is it too shit

>>54111522
Yea its M14 printing tanked the price

>>54108183
what does nykthos actually do for you?

Has anyone brewed anything spicy for this card yet, beyond plopping it into DSJ? I'm glad to finally see a 1 drop reanimator spell in Modern.

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>>54111876
Forgot image.

>>54109554
Affinity

>>54111927
On the one hand, I really like this card. Reaninating has been a kitchen table favorite of mine; my first deck was a GB deck featuring Recurring Nightmare (yes, the gold bordered 1997 world championship deck). On the other hand, I'm not sure which <2 drops in the Modern card pool are worth reaninating. I'll look, but I don't have high hopes.

>>54108183

What's the other enchantment pictured here, with the two mana? I can't make it out. Is it the reason you own all of the Emeria's deck's permanents?

>>54112255
I mean, 2 mana iconic things are a cycle in themselves. Reanimate Snapcaster, flashback reanimate goyf/bob/Thalia. Plenty of good 2 drops.

>>54112255
Uhhh
Goyf
Bob
Death's Shadow
Snapcaster
And just for fun
Sakura-Tribe Elder

>>54112380
>>54112255

Oh, Pack rat and scooze too, because we can.

>>54112366
>>54112380
>Snapcaster
It's okay, I guess. You spend a turn to reanimate>snap>push/bolt/whatever. 4+ mana to get snap and do a thing? Seems kinda mediocre to me.
>Goyf
That's okay too. Just a beater. Not great, but okay.
>Bob
Does anyone play Bob anymore?
>Death's Shadow
To be fair, >>54111876 did say besides DS.

Sakura Tribe-Elder is spicy, though. I do miss playing Amulet Bloom, maybe I can do something with that.

>>54111927
Vexing Devil is only good in Legacy because of Reanimate. Maybe now he'll finally shine in Modern?

>>54112483
The thing is, you're intrinsically looking for a 2cmc card that's busted when reanimated, when such creatures are simply hardcastable.
The card cheats on one mana, you'll want to find stuff like Sakura that selfsacrifice or things that are otherwise hard to hardcast on 2 like Serra Ascendant.

>>54112483

>Bob and Goyf considered not good anymore
>still cost an arm and a leg each

Price Memory is a hell of a thing.

>>54111016
I'm not going to play it.

Exactly what do you plan on cutting for it? That's the first question you have to answer.

The second is that sometimes you'll get to cast a "free" 4/4 but most of the time you're cycling on end-step because you have to bluff the Outburst or have a Beast Within and you're able to cast this thing during their turn. If I were to cast this on my own turn the opponent gets free reign to hand-hate my hand or gets a turn to develop their board/strategy.

I don't play any 2-mana cyclers anymore, they're just too slow for the deck. And that's the worst case scenario here, that you have to cycle thing. If I wanted to cycle for 2 I would play Archfiend and I still don't want to play it.

I could be convinced that a T1 4/4 after cycling two Street Wraiths would be awesome, but again, I want to ask, what card are you going to cut for that?

>>54112705
Its unlikely, but I'll eat my hat if it does.
I actually almost got wrecked by a BR suicide burn build this morning, but I was playing fish with the full playset of sea's claim and spreading seas, so on turn 5 I completely mana fucked the guy and proceeded to beat him to death with a fist full of lords

>>54113029
He's talking about them in terms of a reanimation target, not in a vacuum. Goyf is still the best green creature around. Bob has always been kind of meh, just an okay Necropotence replacement for Modern. But now that everyone's running around literally killing themselves to play Death's Shadow they can't really afford to keep him around.

Why aren't people playing Jeskai Saheeli more?

What am I missing, someone please explain it to me because I feel retarded.

>>54113331
Because they all believed the no-control-allowed meme.

>>54113109
Honestly my meta is way too fast for beast within, its actually going to a sideboard slot now, and probably getting the boot.
Archfiend of Ifnir and Twisted abominations are always good for me, no problem ive run into with those.
As for what i'm getting rid of, i already got 3-4 cards i can swap for something better in a heartbeat.
Btw my meta is affinity, elves, devoted vizieer, gds, dredge, grishoalbrand, storm, eldrazi tron, bant eldrazi, dnt, junk/jund midrange and some other lesser things.
Usually get top 4, or win in my fnms.

>>54113331
because decks that die to bolt are shit
#unbantwin

>>54112312
Not him but it's Crumbling Ashes

>>54113331
Because control a shit

>>54113331
American Control has been a deck since the inception of Modern. The fact that the Saheeli combo exists is just another win condition for the deck. The deck structure hasn't changed; only its win conditions. You can win with Saheeli, Ajani Vengeant, Sun Titans, Resto Angel, whatever, the deck is still the same.

It's always been an okay but not bad deck. It's always been there and most people know the deck is not that great no matter the win condition. Nevertheless it's still a solid and traditional Control deck if you want to play a pure Control deck.

>>54113427
I understand if Beast Within is too slow, but I also feel like the 2-mana cyclers are also too slow. You need 3+ bodies in the yard by the time you get to the third land to put the aggressive decks on the back foot when you End and the 2-mana cyclers make it too slow.

The deck in my opinion only has 4-5 flex slots. Of those slots they can be filled with:
- Beast Within
- 2-mana cyclers
- Faerie Macabre
- a utility land like Wolf Run, Dryad Arbor, or Bojuka Bog

And I don't feel like Hollow One is better than any of the listed options.

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Hey ya'll I'm looking for a spicy brew where I don't have to actually deal any damage to the opponent to win the game. I'm new to modern and after looking at the metagame every single deck seems to interact through the opponent losing (whether combo/aggro/control/etc) instead of you winning. Approach of the second sun looks pretty fun, but I don't know if it's too slow (certainly looks like, maybe I can run it with urza lands?) Anyway are there any decks for cards that say "you win the game" in some way, shape, or form that aren't complete and utter shit?

>>54114193
Approach of the Second Tron sounds pretty fun to me. Maybe go selesnya so that you're in green and can assemble tron more reliably?

I feel like you need a lot of card draw once your opponent knows what you're doing. Not sure what you would put into GW tron for that.

I know there was an Against the Odds for a deck that used Braid of Fire, Upwelling, and Doubling Cube to float a shitton of mana and pour all of it into a Helix Pinnacle to win the game.

>>54109762

>lol I'm so good at trolling
People that do this are never happy or successful in life.

>>54114305
>projecting this hard
I'm doin just fine bud

>>54113331

Please don't give these shit heads any ideas. I like surprising opponents.

>>54114230
Helix pinnacle looks interesting, but I feel like once you have infinite mana (or that amount of mana) there are straight up better cards to play to win the game. I was looking at Maze's end/Darksteel reactor/felidar sovereign but they all looks too slow. Selesnya for Second Sun tron (that's urza lands right) looks good, but then I'm left with shitty card draw, and I don't have the resources to go bant, and it doesn't seem that good if I'm running urza lands. UW seems like it would work, but then I don't have green to look for lands.

>>54114444
Well that's the price you pay for making shitty meme decks

>>54114193
desu i think the easiest approach would be to take a combo deck that draws the library and slot laboratory maniac as the primary wincon.

>>54114580
So Ad Nauseum?

>>54114578
It's true, the spiciest decks do burn the salivating mouth.
>>54114580
Got a list on how to do so? I don't see any lists with specifically set up for laboratory maniac. Either way, while easy I feel like it wouldn't be as satisfying. I want to exodia the opponent.

>>54114636
>>54114639
AN is the obvious one. a grishoalbrand player or two had lab man in the side to beat infinite life, and you could probably fit him into a jeskai ascendancy shell or whatever storm deck ok

>>54114230
>>54114444
The best infinite mana wincon is called Walking Ballista.

>>54109653
Joke's on you I copy pasted the list from a Channel Fireball article.

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>>54105143
Speaking of 8-whack, Has anyone ever thought of using Quest for pure flame in it? It seems like a lot of people assume that you have to use 4 bolts to activate it and forget that it read's source which could just as easily be a gobo. It seems like it'd be pretty cool to have on-demand double strike at instant speed when you're so often swinging wide.

>>54115521
It's actually Banefire.

>>54115676
You get more overall damage out of Quest for the Goblin Lord.

And even that card is too slow imo. You are better off playing more goblins.

>>54115693
Fair enough. What about in a burn-ish mix deck? I've thought of going mono red and using legion loyalist to discourage blocking.

>>54109481

Omg post, faggot

>>54115663

Joke's on you; What are the chances of actually getting this out? That's the problem with CF and all these other groups; They see a T1 - T3 potential and get their little chubbies, but than you rarely if ever get that exact hand and when you can't you guys bitch and complain that the other person was "cheating" or was using a "shit tier deck" or that Magic is "stupid" and the format is "toxic".

Stop building a 1-in-10 deck and start building a deck that's actually consistent, regardless of your opening hand.

>>54109330
go off on turn 4 before they kill you

no really that's it. You have to play around at most 8 counterspells in their 75, and that's only if they're Grixis (which they should be, but some people like to play sub-optimal decks).

Stubborn Denial is usually a 4-of in the 75 which kind of sucks for you, but storm should have Dispel in the side anyway to deal with those kinds of shenanigans. Fatal push targeting Baral or Electromancer kind of sucks but you don't actually need either to go off. They won't play Relic of Progenitus because it shuts off too many cards in their own deck, so you don't have to worry about Past In Flames being a bad card.

>>54116324
>They won't play Relic of Progenitus because it shuts off too many cards in their own deck
Remember Nihil Spellbomb

Daily reminder that both LSV and Gaby cheated on their spouses, and now they're dating.

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- Thread Challenge -

Take a Standard deck from some point in history and make it a Modern deck

>>54118049

>Take a Standard deck from some point in history and make it a Modern deck

So Faeries/Affinity?

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>>54105022
>What are your favorite decks?
Thalia decks
>How do they tech against your local meta?
VERY well. Weaker to Lingering Souls r/n because the store doesn't have any Orzhov Pontiffs in stock, but only one guy is playing BW Processors and Big Thalia does well enough to stop the chumpblock train.
>Do you have any pet decks?
Death & Taxes

>>54118703
Affinity works, but Faeries is hot garbage

>>54107824
So I've done a little testing now.

>-3 Geist of Saint Traft
>-1 Countersquall

>+4 Rune Snag

Geist is too slow and unimpactful. I'll certainly board him in against decks that don't flood the battlefield though. Rune Snag is just great. It's Mana Leak with a late game.

>>54105572
i'll try it

>>54118703
A huge second of the modern field is past standard allstars with extra cards swapped in.

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>>54118049
What about Block Constructed?

>>54118049
I tried Blink/Touch once. Touch is... kind of garbage. Going the other "direction" I've been trying Enchantress, which is also kind of garbage if you're trying to make it as close to a direct port as possible.

It's all a question of picking out the parts of a deck that would actually WORK in modern then fleshing it out. Sadly, it rarely works.

>>54119252
Maze's end is a complete pile, But I approve of anyone trying to run it. If possible you might wanna consider a Crucible in the SB or a Scapeshit in the main somewhere. Maybe both

>>54119252
>>54119402
Seconding MD Scapeshift. This also feels like a deck that wants Life from the Loam and some amount of recursion for your Explores and Bolts. You can probably cut a fair bit of your spot removal for it.

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>>54119252
>>54119402
>>54119481
Is there a way to mill your entire deck minus one, use this and get the Maze win on untap?

>>54119553
If that was possible people would already being doing it and winning with Valakut.

>>54119553
we can build it here.
what are the best mill cards that arnt a$$ raping

>>54114713
How the fuck does Laboratory Maniac combat infinite life at all?
I must be missing something here.

>>54119786

You win. It doesn't really matter how much life the opponent has

>>54119786
Because you win the game regardless of their life total, in gishoalbrand i dont get it though.

>>54119803
Well, that's if you can mill yourself out which I suppose is quite easy.
Don't know of many infinite life combos that don't do something else with it though.

>>54119553
Not all at once, no. Glimpse is probably the best engine for that.

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1-0 semifinals

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>>54119919
3-0 ON TO THE FINALS

>>54108183
>>http://mtgtop8.com/format?f=MO
Does nest/hapatra trigger twice per creature off Black Sun if you pay 2 for X?

>>54114357

But you obviously arent. You got a tiny penis.

>>54116324
>go off on turn 4 before they kill you
>no really that's it. You have to play around at most 8 counterspells in their 7
In my testing, I don't really care about counters so much as discard and removal. When the best cards are stripped away and you have no accelerant dude, how are you supposed to go off on turn 4?

How does Burn face up against Etron, GDS and DSJ?

>>54119786
>>54119820
melira company was a pretty big chunk of the meta for a few months and the matchup is basically a race to combo. sometimes you are 1 turn away from going off with gristle when they get the finks combo but they don't have redcap to actually kill you. maniac gives you a way to not just scoop to 1 million life. he also wins through random hate like bridge and leyline of sanctity

>>54119818
what don't you get?

>>54118049
Play drown in filth my dude

>>54121270
That would be spicy as fuck, but its a sorcery and unlike Decay, only hits creatures.

>>54120378
>being this mad

>>54120378
Hi there, female. Took a wrong turn somewhere?

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SERRA AVENGER MVP

>>54106006
Of you wanna win the answer of those 3 is tron

>>54120929
You let them kill themsleves and bolt them for 9+ through discard and countermgic.

>>54105637
You junk it up.
UNLEASH THE MEME RHINOS.

>>54122213
gud jorb

>>54108643
Its inconsistent and slow. How do you think it fairs vs the all 1 mana deck and the more consistent version of what your trying to do?

>>54108643
Poorly

>>54109435
Ur Delver was not obsoleted, Grixis Delver was. UR is much more Young Pyromancer focused, which is actually pretty alright right now for creating tons of chump blockers and just going wide.

could you slam together Little Kid GW and Vizier Company? I was thinking you generate the infinite mana and win with Rhonas pumps

>>54122869
>could you slam together Little Kid GW and Vizier Company? I was thinking you generate the infinite mana and win with Rhonas pumps
Yeah you could it's called Company already fucking does that.

>>54114193
Play lantern control it wins by doing nothing at all (and so will whoever is sitting across the table)

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Probably slightly off topic for this thread but what's the best way of going about getting my waifu on a playmat?

Also have a friend suggesting that all red decks should just be running snow covered mountains at this point. Is the upside of bluffing you're some variant of Koth Red game one any good? The burn list that top 8'd this weekend did this apparently.

>>54122448
>Wanting to be acknowledged on a Singaporean lolicon anonymous imageboard
Your mom must be proud
>>54123047
I love playing storm against them. G1 is a free win with grapeshot and g2 if they side their bridges you just go t2 empty the warrens

>>54123282
Always ask yourself what the opportunity cost is.

And in this case, it's 0, because there is actually no downside to playing with snow lands at all.

It's nowhere near as hardcore as that one Grixis Shadow player I met online who played a 1-of Temple of Deceit to bluff Ad Naseum.

>>54123617
>Then turn 2 he cracks a fetch for a Blood Crypt, Thoughtseizes his opponent, and Thought Scours himself end step
Top bluffing there.

>>54123617
Is the bluffing even that good though? I can't imagine thinking I'm playing against Skred if they go turn 1 Fetch -> Snow Mountain -> Guide.

>>54123889

It doesn't really need to be that good

Like, if it makes an opponent do a slightly wrong play in 1 out of 500 matches then it will still have been worth it.

>>54123889
It's not that good, but it's free. You don't lose anything, so why not go for it?

What deck allows me to fuck with my opponent's lands outside of RG ponza ?

>>54124146
Living End when players realise that Spirit Guide and Blood Moon should go in the mainboard.

>>54124146
Tron

>>54124146
There's Big Red variants that'll run Fulminator Mages and Stone Rain-type cards. Deck would get access to Blood Moon too.

>>54105572
If you're really that worried about shadow, just run Swords to Plowshares. Absolutely fucks up their strat.

>>54124146
Merfolk.

>>54124313
Is Merfolk fun ro play ? Seems like my kind of shit and it's not that expensive.

>>54124146
loam pox

>>54124146
death cloud

What would you run in W D&T if you don't have vials yet?

>>54124362
Merfolk is fun in the same way burn is fun.
If you are autistic and like doing the same thing over and over and over, it's great fun.

proxyfag here. I can afford to buy actual cards now, but how does one justify $70+ on cards

How bad is jund delirium? T2 or worse?

>>54124628
1. No worry about ever getting thrown out of an event or a shop for having the wrong type of cardboard.

2. The expensive real cardboard for the most part retains value so you can move off of it later for slight but reasonable losses if any at all.

3. Buying product puts money back into the system that for the most part keeps the game alive.

>>54124628
are the BL/VZ proxies usable in FNMs, then? Was planning to doublesleeve either way

>>54124628
The same way some people justify spending 2-10k on a cheap sports car to dick around in
It's fun.

>>54124670
I mean, why play it when you can just play Death's shadow?

>>54124741
Because I don't really like deaths shadow and really like grim flayer

>>54124808
U don't like one mana 10/10s so opt to play a 2 mana 2/2 good choice

>>54124684
I never used those, I had the old stoneman ones from like last year. It depends heavily on the card, and in general I wouldn't use more than 2-3 of a particular card in a deck

>>54125012
Fair. I mostly just want a set of Vials and maybe some Caverns of souls

>>54111309
>"destroyed"
Shitpinion discovered

g/x tron fags, what are your thoughts on walking ballista in the main? Currently testing 2 for more early game and removal

>>54124911
Hey anon you asked why I didn't want shadow and I answered, no need to be mean.

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>>54125099
>nearly 20% of the fucking meta
>lol this is fine
fuck off nigger
Twin was never this bad

>>54125348
nigger that includes esper jund grixis and all in variants

>>54125348
Twin at its worst was ~18%

Twin though existed in a healthier meta for most of it's life.

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freebie for you kids expecting several netdecked d&t lists this week at your shop:

this kills the aether vial deck

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Been playing soul sisters, feels pretty good in the meta because it can go super wide. I like it. The sideboard looks like:
3 stony silence
2 rest in peace
2 grafdigger's cage
2 burrenton forge-tenders
2 sundering growth
1 pithing needle
1 suppression field
1 nevermore
1 dusk/dawn.

Please r8

>>54125571
No it doesn't asstard. Like oh fucking no you shocked me once or twice. How's the Grizzly Bear doing for you?

>>54125629
n-no gideon?

>>54125348
Collected Company shows up in exactly as many decks but no one bitches about that cancer shit for some reason

>>54125571
or just play a noble hierarch deck

>>54125571
>tfw I was gonna build D&T before today, and now I'm just gonna be thought of as bandwagoning

>>54125661
Only a fool would bandwagon in Modern unless it's Death's Shadow you're building. D&T is only performing well because it has a good Death's Shadow matchup. If your local meta isn't steeped in Death's Shadow, you're just building a shit deck.

>>54125651
Don't worry once they hit deaths shadow people will cry about cancer company, this will go on until everyone only plays craw wurms, shivan dragons and grizzly bears.

>>54125644
Was playing gideon, but replaced him with worship, worship gets me auto wins vs shadow decks and some otherapist matchups. Once shadow gets banned tho worship is going out, being replaced with big gids.

>>54125742
That's fine. It'll still win me some games and will be fun.

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>I think death's l shadow should be banned

>>54125774
Other matchups* don't know where tf "otherapist" came from.

>>54125805
Honestly without mother of runes dnt just doesn't feel right. Sucks that there really isn't anything to substitute her.

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>>54125817
That's the thing about other rapists, you never see them coming.

>>54125850
Top fucking kek

>>54125814
Street Wraith ban might be cool.

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>>54125638
>not playing other threats
>not supplementing your Plan A with incidental damage that 'just works' as a consequence of how the opponent's deck plays
are you retarded? where's your tard wrangler?
you know what you remind me of? you remind me of that fucking guy that slams a t3 blood moon against tron and sits behind it for seven turns without pressuring the tron players life total, then you lose to a hardcast wurmcoil engine and run to /tg/ to complain about how OP tron is. fuck off, cockend.

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>>54126018
the answer is not to ban, but get good or wait / develop a better card answer.

pix unrelated

>>54125571
I legit like this guy in the sideboard for Naya Humans.

>>54125638
In burn it's pretty good against certain decks. Also counters company can't go off with it in play.

Fuck tron

>>54126251
Oh no doubt. But if they wanted to cut the power level that's the obvious choice.

>>54123527
>Singaporean lolicon anonymous imageboard
Wow dude. Hilarious. Kys

>>54125434
This makes it worse lol. Every flavour of death shadow doesn't mean it's okay

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>>54119553

>>54125629
Why the hell are you running 4 Ghost Quarters mainboard?
How Tron heavy is your meta?

>>54126839
Because ghost quarter "combos" with flagstones of trokair and thins out the deck super well

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Help me update my Jund, please?
I know I need Push but I need help tweaking.

>>54126865
Yeah, that's a fair reason.
I run the a variant of the Norin version of SS so I wasn't really too familiar with that.

>>54126868
just copy a recent list hommie

>>54126904
I'm personally not a big fan of the norin variant, feels too win-more, and in this meta I wanna race some combo decks.

>>54126868
Not a huge fan of the 3 drop creatures, Finks is good sideboard card I think though. Kalitas is a liability unless you're playing free kill spells like Slaughter Pact or Seal of Fire or something, both of which are laughably bad at the moment. Huntmaster is a fine 4 drop, I would probably play a second one over the first Kalitas but I'm currently playing Olivia Voldaren so what do I know.

You should be playing 4/2 Inquisitin/Thoughtseize. Go down on decays for more terminates and pushes, I personally have 4/3/2 Push/Terminate/Bolt split. You should probably find room in your list for the 4th liliana.

Mana base is a matter of preference I suppose but I would probably find room for the second swamp if I were you. I don't think Treetop Village is that good but if you like it, it's not the worst. Sideboard is all pretty dependent on your meta but Crumble to Dust seems really bad and I don't know what you're bringing in Obstinate Baloth for.

>>54126784
>no hivemind or pact
Poor Form desu

>>54126939
Most are Death's Shadow brews or have Taisugur and I don't know how to pilot those ones.

>>54126962
Courser was for a different meta iirc
Finks are blockers and life gain to refill from Bob/Thoughtseize
Kalitas also gains life back and makes opponents think before chumping goyfs
Used to run an Olivia and wasn't very good in the times I ever got her out (except for one time where I managed to steal classic Emrakul off Tron and win). I like Huntmaster too though.

I suppose Inquisition is stronger now with Death's Shadow meta?
I was thinking drop both Terminates and a Decay for Pushes?
I never really know when to use Command, might cut one for Lili? Or cut the Chandra for her (otherwise I'll upgrade to the Kaladesh version)?

Treetop comes out quicker than Ravine if I need it, I dunno it's fine.
Sideboard is Tron, Jund, and Bant Spirits iirc.
Crumble is for Tron and is strictly better than Sowing Salt like 95% of the time. Obby is for mirror but yeah like I said I brewed this back in like 2012-3 and the only real changes it got was when Deathrite Shaman got banned.

>>54127230
Course isn't really bad I think, neither is Finks maindeck either. I'm just saying those are my preferences. Olivia used to be a lot worse when Bolt was the premier removal spell in the format but a lot of times Fatal Push can't kill her.

Inquisition has always been the more played card in Jund as opposed to Abzan because Jund just doesn't usually have that much incidental lifegain but your deck seems a little different in that regard. You want to drop lightning bolts for Pushes, Terminate kills a lot of creatures your other removal spells would never otherwise touch and is too valuable to cut. I could see moving one K Command to the sideboard and putting in the 4th Liliana, generally any time you could get an on-board 2-for-1 is when you should be using it, it's really good against affinity or small creature decks. I totally glossed over the fact that you had the old chandra in there, new Chandra is a strict upgrade in all cases.

>>54127335
Alright thanks anon i'll look into those changes
Yeah been lazy picking up new shit so that's why I haven't gotten the new one but yeah almost always a strict upgrade

>>54127230
>Most are Death's Shadow brews or have Taisugur and I don't know how to pilot those ones.
Honestly I just copied Reid Duke's list from last month

How come nobody can pronounce Dwynen?

Everybody pronounces it like it's Dwhy-nin.

>>54128698
It's Dwinn-in, right?

>>54128698
nope

>>54128721
Yup.

So what decks do best again an LCS meta where literally every deck runs four inquisitions and four thoughtseize?

Is modern D&T any good here?

>>54118049
I have one, it wins by countering everything my opponents play and casing sphinx's rev for 20

>>54128909
Doesn't sound like a good meta for D&T, I'd recommend playing ETron or some other variant.

>>54126868
Reid Duke top 8'd with a classic Jund really recently amidst all the Shadow shenanigans.

>>54128909
Esper Control is pretty good against Shadow decks.

If you really want to get metagamey though, you should play some kind of pillowfort enchantress deck with 4x Leyline 4x Runed Halo, 4x RiP.

>>54126784
This is the most silly thing I've seen in a while. I think you need more card draw, can't always count on a tracker being alive.

>>54126414
They can just cast a fat fucking ballista and ping it

>>54129411
It shocks on the Devoted Druid's untap ability, which means they'll only be able to get 6-10 mana out of it depending on how much life they have when they start to combo.

what do you guys think of vizier knightfall?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/03-07-17-vizier-knightfall/

>>54105022
What do you guys think about living end decks? Any recommendations or advice? It seems fun, although I need to rest it before shelling out 100 for a play set

>>54129455
I mean, it's already a pretty well known archetype and I personally think it's super annoying.

>>54129599
>it seems fun
I mean, yeah it's fun, but only if the only thing you care about is winning.
Living End is definitely one of the most boring, linear decks out there.
Cycle, cycle, cycle, cycle, cascade into living end, get back fatties and swing.

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>>54128909
play wescoe's gw list from the gp or run standard monowhite with 4 crusaders main and 2 dusk/dawn side. we are quite resilient to hand rape with a proper build. hope u got horizon canopy x4 homes.

>used to think Merfolks were pretty gay
>get back into Magic
>decide to build a Modern deck since cards are rotating out of standard soon
>absolutely destroy people at my local card shop


Last thing I need is my Cavern of Souls and it'll be complete. I absolutely love this deck. I'm just not sure how many Wanderwine hubs I should run. I'm thinking two so that I have and even ten non-basic and ten basic lands.

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>>54129727
you running the chalice version or no? my boi runs 4x chalice of the void mainboard because FUCK SPELLS.
>t1 aether vial
>t2 chalice on 1
>counterspell muh chalice? activate vial on 1, cursecatcher, sac. fuck yo spell nigga FUCK YO SPELL

>>54129825
Gonna have to get those on down the road. I want a set but $400 is a bit too much right now.

Aether Vial is pretty fucking awesome though. One match I drew one land and had that for a few turns but didn't need anymore thanks to Vial.

>>54129628
When you put it that way, I see what you mean. I'm trying to find cool decks that aren't just "goyf / lili / snaps / expensive value cards" the deck. The idea of having a bunch of cool cycle creatures that you can suddenly slam on the field sounds fun. But I guess playing solitaire with my opponent might not be too fun.

What do you guys suggest?

>>54123282
You can get pretty much any image printed by those custom playmat sites like Inked as long as there's no copyright symbol on the art itself. Even if it's very clearly someone else's art they'll print it.

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does Elves have any hope of beating Gx/Eldrazi Tron?

>>54129908
Dunno. I'm currently looking at spirits or rallier landfall because I just like synergies. Of course those will prolly run Snaps/Goyfs respectively. Probably have to go spirits til I have more fetches, sadly.

>>54126865
You can also fetch up Mistveil Plains

>>54129445
Except they only need 6 minimum to stick a ballista that stays and kills it.

>>54130120
That's still 4 damage for 2 mana at worst if they have the balista in hand and 6 mana without druid activation. If you really want to hate out counters company as an aggressive red deck it's a fine sideboard card. The bigger issue is that hating out counters company isn't really worth a sideboard slot in burn.

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>>54129977
Elves is Tier 2 for a reason.
>muh single matchup concerns

It's about the overall. Elves overall does not have enough favorable or even matchups to be tournament relevant.

>>54130169
It's 4 potential damage on the turn they win the game. It slightly alters their win con, but it doesn't actively help your own.

>>54129977
I've done it on Xmage
Its not easy or fun, you need a real nutty hand to pull it off

>>54130257
>Jund
>Tier 3
MAX KEK

>>54131316
>What are usage-based tiers?

>>54131322
arguably the wrong usage of the word tier, but provides more data

On a whim, I picked up a few decks of Aether Revolt. As a brand new player, I want to try and make a "decent" deck that comprises of vehicles and other "tech" based cards. How do I go about doing this without following a cookie cutter net deck? I know of Mardu Vehicle decks and such but don't want to netdeck just yet

>>54131841
>please teach me how to learn things for myself

>>54130257
>Gifts storm tumbling down

Thank god, maybe this time around they won't ban another piece.

>>54131964
>We have finally identified the culprit in the domination of Death's Shadow on the meta. It's none other than Serum Visions.

>>54131978
I'd quit modern if they'd do that.

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>>54107837
->
>>54105390
Did it, lads

>Bunch of Ranked 1 Merfolk decks I've seen on mtgtop8 don't use Cavern

Why's this? Price? Not giving a fuck? That seems like a pretty essential card.

>>54132564
>Essential

It sure is nice but if your local meta doesn't play any counterspells, you don't have to bother.

>>54132611
Good point. Also what's the point of Wanderwine Hub if the deck doesn't run any white cards?

>>54132643
Play around choke

>>54132643
I'm not sure, Path/RiP/SS in the sideboard perhaps. I run mono blue myself.

>>54132313

Let us know how it does.

>>54130257
>Jund
>tier 3

Has ModernNexus killed themselves over this yet? I remember them beating off to the idea that Jund was the pinnacle of all decks because it ran "the best cards"

>>54132643
make your opponent think you have path

>>54132917
Oh okay gotcha.

>>54132671
RiP and SS? Sorry I'm horrible with acronyms.

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>>54132942
>RiP
>Sorry I'm horrible with acronyms.

>>54132942
What does RIP mean outside of magic

>>54132982
>>54133036
Sorry I'm an idiot. But what's SS?

>>54133059
straight shota

>>54132942
Stony Silence.

>>54125742
It does well against tron too.

What's a fun Ux deck that doesn't use Shadow?

>>54133036
https://youtu.be/fKLmZNnMT0A

>>54132313
I love this deck

>>54131841
Mardu Vehicles is a standard deck. You're in a modern thread.

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>>54125814
>I think death shadow should stay in modern

New thread
>>54134281
>>54134281

Real, not custom card thread
>>54134422
>>54134422

>>54124684

I use BL. 0 problems so far, double sleeved. I doubt most people would care if they noticed.

>>54131978
Same, but with thoughtsieze.

>>54134875
I mean the problem with death's shadow is they kept giving black all the good interaction and now suddenly it has the best threat and it's the best deck by far. But the solution should be to give other colors threats, unban jace, SFM and BBE now that the strength of the format has been increased. Then ban tron and eldrazi temple so control can keep up.