/HHG/ The Horus Heresy General

Thread claimed for the Iron Tenth, the best legion with iron in the name fuck you Perturabo we called dibs on it first you copycat bitch.

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>>54075412

Old thread.

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>>54100574
Stay butthurt, inferior Iron brother.

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>>54100574
>Be me
>4th Legion
>10th Legion staggers forward
>He's still butthurt
>W-we're the b-best Legion with Iron...
>We c-called dibs...

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>>54100815
>Be me
That's suffering enough.

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>>54100899
Yees

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>>54100948
>>54100899
>>54100815
>>54100749
Stop wasting men.

>>54100979
You're confusing spending men in the pursuit of victory with wasting them.

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>>54100979
Stop not using them at all.

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>>54100899

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So, they release Angelus and now that the game will be complete, they'll release Index: Horus Heresy for 8E immediately afterwards?
And then we'll see the pdf anon did was better,so we'll actually use that one instead?
I say we cut down the middleman and propose 8E rules ourselves. Half of the work is already done. Anon did most of the infantry, Bolter & Chainsword did LA rules.
http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334291-8th-edition-legiones-astartes-2906-i-xx/
Do you think we can propose 8E legion specifics?

>Iron Havocs
>Heavy Bolters with Shrapnel bolts
Loses 1AP, but the targeted unit suffers -1 to their BS and movement (and Advance) vaules
>Hardened armour
-1 to Movement & Advance vaules. For weapons that roll the number of attacks, roll an extra dice and discard the highest one. //
Alt: -1 to Movement & Advance vaules. Add +1 to this model's saving throws
>Deadly Aim
Enemies attacked by this unit can't claim the benefit of cover
>Tank Hunters
When rolling for Damage against vehicles roll 2 dice and discard the lowest //

>>54101138
Looks good

>>54101138
Angelus will only have BAs and DAs. There'll still have to be one book for the WSs, if they plan to update all the Legions before going to 8th. So they'll be lucky to get to 8th by 2018 at the earliest.

>>54101138
>-1 to Movement & Advance vaules. For weapons that roll the number of attacks, roll an extra dice and discard the highest one. //
>Alt: -1 to Movement & Advance vaules. Add +1 to this model's saving throws

I'm in favor of the former. Represents their ability to withstand blasts and flamers. Alternatively, mix the two. Vs. weapons that have a random number of shots, they get +1 armour save.

>>54101138
I'm really not looking forward to a game where everyone from centurion on up hits everyone else in melee on a 2+ and everything comes down to DPS and tankiness.

>>54101138
I for one is happy with 7ed horus heresy for now.

>>54101138
How about an errata for the Legion Special Rules?

SoH: when within 12" and under, all pistol, rapid-fire and assault weapons are +1 to hit.

If you outnumber an enemy unit in close combat, gain +1 attack

I dont know if allies or reserve rolling is still a thing, so cant make a call on that.

>>54101201
Then it's a mix. With the alt rules I wanted to convey their role as the full frontal armour, and that's supposed to be even harder for small arms to defeat (thus effectively 2+) while overstraining the servos (-1 to any kind of move) and still not enough protection as Terminators (only 1W, lacks an invuln of its own)

>>54101343
The Merciless Fighters expy shouldn't be +1attack, but exactly as it is now - 1 extra attack at I1, attacks that normally are I1 excluded.

>>54101456
I thought hardened armour was just armour that's better protected against hazardous environments and shrapnel by securing life support and securing all the weak points, rather than just slapping extra plates on.

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>>54101644
No u.

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So I'm going to be using this guy as a librarian for my raven guard. Other than ditching the DA iconography anything else i need to fix, was the horned skull symbol a thing during the heresy? or is that a later imperium thing.

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>>54100444
That implies Horus won't kill him once emperor for not being traitorous enough

>>54101138
>/tg/ gets shit done
Cool but keep it to this thread

>>54102068
>horned skull
Yeah pretty sure that's codex standard to mark guys out for snipers
Then again Angelus will change it all again

>>54102100
I think he means Lion is going to kill Horus.

>>54102100
>killing the guy who can wreck half your fleet by throwing out his old junk

No tnx

>>54102211
I know my point is that implies Lion can kill Horus before Horus kills the lion
>>54102213
Fulgrim's junk is stronger, especially now he's a daemon of slaanesh

>>54101029
>le ebic hide behind wall man
>using men

to be fair Big G has an emprie

>>54102543
Fulgrim's just a faggot who farts too much (see Dark Imperium), he'll be the first gassed under Herr Jonson's regime

>>54101029
That post applies double to you, Mr. Iron Cage.

>>54100527
>finally listen to butchers nails
>Kharn is Persian
Not sure how to feel about this

>>54102569
>to be fair Big G has an emprie
And Dorn saved an Imperium.

>>54102068

Good luck cutting out that DA shit without it looking like shit aftewards

>>54102592
>the cum farts are canon
Now this is why we tell you to stay away Curzefag
>>54102710
No he didn't, he died to some mook whilst Roboute Guillman made a new breed of space marines, powerful but smart enough not to run at walls

>>54102710

>Dorn saved an Imperium
>Dorn got Daddy G nearly killed and Guilliman is still stuck cleaning up after Dorn's fuckups 10,000+ years later.

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>>54102727
Pic related you IF bitches

>>54102712
I'm just cutting the bulk off and resculpting the cloth. the whole shoulderpad is getting replaced.

>>54102705
I thought he was Russian.

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>>54102705
No he's a slav.

>>54102875
Only when the nails kick in, he moves around quite sedately otherwise.

>>54102710
>And Dorn saved an Imperium.
you mean
>sanguinius saved the imperium

Anyone else find it hard to paint the studs on mk4 calth pads, as this is my thrid coat but the paint still goes off leaving them a silver, although I do want to drybrush gray on later os it's not that essential
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>>54102892
He sounds like how they get the bad tanned evil guy sound in children movies, how is that russian

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>>54102892
>That is why we are the Squatters of Worlds, and the War Hounds no longer

>>54102933
>Anyone else find it hard to paint the studs on mk4 calth pads, as this is my thrid coat but the paint still goes off leaving them a silver

What are you painting them with? It sounds like you're using clear paints over a silver layer like with Thousand Sons or Word Bearers. But I could be completely off.

>>54102971
I used army painter plate metal spray, one coat of that, didn't look too thick, then three thin coats of abbadon black, going for IW vet unit

>>54103006

I don't have any experience with the plate metal spray, but I think you can get a brush on primer such as Vallejo Surface Black and hand prime the studs over the plate metal spray. That should adhere to the plate metal spray.

>>54103006
Picture?

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WIP Praetor for my NL army, just need to replace the blades on the swords for black ark corsair blades.

>>54102068

just get the new librarian coming ot in a week or so? looks better and nothing chapter specific included

>>54104018
Honestly I think he looks good as-is, but go for it.

>>54104044
You mean the giant Primaris in mk.X armor you fucking nonce?

>>54102068
The horned skull is fine.

>>54104044
No he's too big.

>>54104018
Neat.

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>Dark Mechanicum getting new stuff in Angelus
>when they already have better toys than the loyal servants of the Omnissiah
Why is this allowed?

>>54105191
You'll never have a Scoria equivalent.
You'll never have a Kelbor-Hal equivalent.

>>54105209
>Arkhan Land
>"The Archimandrite"
Your argument is invalid.

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>>54105209
DELET THIS

We have Arkhan Land and Zagreus Kane!

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>>54105209
>Teleports behind you
Nothing personal Draykavac.

>>54105191
Yeah. That kind of bothers me.

Like out of...what, 5 characters? 4 are dark mech.

The dark mech characters give army buffs.

And now the dark mech is getting a whole book!

Where's my loyalist dark age tech and heros? :(

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>>54105364

>all these loyalists with no rules

Why are our loyalist brothers even trying?

>>54105425
You could use Cawl rules in 30k.

>>54105437
Man, don't remind me about the king of mary sues

>>54105437
You could, but it wouldn't work well.

The dude is also practically a heretic. Definitely a heretek.

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World Eaters or...

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>>54105883
...Space Wolves?

>>54105883
>>54105897
>space berserker gladiators with cool weapons
>or furries

>>54105883
>>54105897
>angry retard
>just plain retard

>>54105883
>>54105897
Space Eaters. Primarch Angruss.

>>54106047
>World Wolves
>Primarch Leman Ron

>>54106047
>Angrussius

>>54101138

Stop that shit,8th will not come to HH

8th -> fags kids game
7th-> little more complicate game for a little more smart kids

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>>54106619
>correct sides of pyramids are lit rather than just copypasting
Nice.

>>54105969

Space Wolves aren't retarded, its just their leaders forcing the rank and file to commit to retarded decisionmaking.

Am I insane if I want to build a small ultramarine force being a word bearer player?

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>>54107053
>Am I insane if I want to build a small ultramarine force being a word bearer player?

No, brother.

>>54107154
Those look sexy!

>>54106619
Typical Thousand Wrongs logic.

>>54106774
This is what happens when you take all your old viking drinking buddies and make them super soldier officers. At least Lion had the sense to make sure they were at least knights of chivalry, breeding, and monster-hunting.

>>54106766
It's still wrong, because the sun is in the background and the light is in the foreground.
It's also wrong because all the pyramids were built on the west side of the nile.

>>54108037
As the man said, he's not in de nile.

>>54107700
>At least Lion had the sense to make sure they were at least knights of chivalry, breeding, and monster-hunting.

Yes I'm sure those knightly knights made their homeworld a better place to live than Fenris.

>>54108260
>Literal space debris
>Objectively better place to live than Fenris

You said it not me anon

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>>54108320
Do Ultramarines objectively have best homeworld to live? Chogoris might be comfy place too.

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Khan looking kawaii as fuck.

Khan-waii?

>>54108434
Probably? Macragge is described as Utopia, with the exception of dissenters being disappeared. I imagine many worlds in the Imperium would have a similar standard of living as a modern western country like Sweden or Germany, maybe (almost certainly) much higher thanks to far more advanced medical and technological resources.

>>54101504
How would it work though? They threw initiative out the window for 8th; 1 extra attack after your opponent swings? I dunno

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>>54108478
>A world with Guilliman in it
>Utopia

>>54108442
>meant to be commorragh
>literally nothing but a brown plain against brown sky

>>54108594
... And I completely forgot about that. How do we differentiate that bonus from the ones NL and others get?

>>54108619
[hammer/backbreaking meme]

>>54108645
>Commorragh
>Literally the largest realm in the Webway, possibly planet-sized or larger
>Some of it might be brown
>Like maybe an arena or something

Really makes you think

>>54108442
>Rowboat travels with his xeno slut
How deliciously heretical.

>>54108674
>Yvraine
>My waifu
>Hareming it up with Jain Zar and Lelith Hesperax

How dare you criticize this wonderful person

>>54108442
Can this shit be canon? Thats fucking awesome! Have Super Ghengis come blasting out of the Webway on a burning and stolen raider, crash it into [insert badguys] and then go all Mongolian on the survivors, save some guardsmen or Rawbutt or something

>>54108655
Yeah, something not obnoxiously convoluted and whatnot, NL bonus is +1 to hit as well as extra attacks; in a sense the SoH gangfight rule was a watered down version of that.
Maybe:
>After both sides have conducted a close combat round, if you outnumber the enemy unit you may make an additional attack

>>54104140
i guess you could call it Artificer armour.

>>54106579
you're probably right and it's a shame.

8e is a solid ruleset and it was nice when 30k lists could play at 40k events.

>>54108958
>>>/40kg/

Is Anacharis Scoria the Mechanicum Sauron? Mysterious Magos from a Forge World that used to be green and verdant but inhabited by vicious predators, took control after his previous boss was dispatched and turned it into an industrialised hellscape. He almost never appears in person, instead sending monstrous daemonic corrupted robots to do the unsubtle work and Vodian enforcers to do the talking, but when he does fight he swings around an epic-tier mace that knocks out whole squads of dudes with one swing. Sounds like a decent match to me.

>>54109093
they did have artificer armour in then heresy.

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>>54100527
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mexico-archaeology-skulls-idUSKBN19M3Q6?il=0
>A tower of human skulls unearthed beneath the heart of Mexico City has raised new questions about the culture of sacrifice in the Aztec Empire after crania of women and children surfaced among the hundreds embedded in the forbidding structure.
>Archaeologists have found more than 650 skulls caked in lime and thousands of fragments in the cylindrical edifice near the site of the Templo Mayor, one of the main temples in the Aztec capital Tenochtitlan, which later became Mexico City.

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Was it bitterness?

>>54109235
And jealousy.

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>>54109235
Yes

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>>54109210
And we would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for you meddling Crimson Fists!

>>54108442
>How much more can they take from me? First my geneseed, now my jetbike!

>>54109746
Why aren't you on Discord?

>>54109942
>Wanting people to go to that den of cancer and scum
I know you're sick Curzefag, but not twisted. Besides, they ban people there for no reason and act like a bunch of stuck-up twats.

>>54110179
>I know you're sick Curzefag, but not twisted
I'd like to point out this is someone who prefers Curze to Lion or Dorn

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>>54110179
>not twisted
And that's where you're wrong.

>>54110451
I should have guessed you were a Slav.

>>54101213
>everyone from centurion on up
All those three guys in the Force Organization Chart? Captains grant universal rerolls, Consuls could be made to grant specific rerolls to specific units.
Like Praetors having a 6" aura of Reroll hits of one, but Consuls only 3", Siege Breakers having a 6" aura that allows only Heavy weapons to reroll all hits (but not melee) and the Master of Signals having one of 3" that rerolls all to hits for all shooting weapons, plus his bombarding.

>>54110518
I don't know what it says. The image of Konrad soaked in blood was simply too sexy and beautiful to pass up.

Do have Slav ancestry though.

>>54109210
World Eeaters are space mexican gangsters.

>>54109463
Y'know, looking at the third one, I never realized how refreshing swear words in BL would be

>>54110748
It says
>pain... there's pain... how is {unintelligible]

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>>54110795
>Oh frakk!
>Zog 'em gits!
It's frankly stupid to think """adult""" language isn't used by future space brits.

>>54110819
>TFW you will never drink fresh blood out of senpai's wounds while he writhes in agony
Why must I live

>>54110773
That would actually be Night Lords.
Trust me on that one

>>54110902
Ok, Al.

>>54108260
They were born on a Death World and by the time the Emperor arrived they had turned it into a Civilized World by fire and steel.

Not like it's hard to make somewhere a better place to live than Fenris. Morty's dad made Barbarus a nicer place to live than Fenris.

>>54111369
I think I'm not quite understanding you. Morty's dad and his kin was the main reason Barbarus was a fully fledged deathworld instead of merely being filled with toxic swamps. You know, the hordes of undead, human harvests and that stuff. Makes farming difficult.

>>54109210
>To think that once I could not see beyond the veil of our reality... to see those who dwell behind. My life now has purpose, for I have learned the frailty of flesh and bone... I was once a fool...

>>54111369
Really questions Emperor's xenophobia if he let his xenos parented son live

>>54111369
You're assuming Russ ever wanted to """"improve"""" Fenris by taming it.

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>>54111427
Fenris is that bad. Living on space-Grixis is actually preferable.

>>54111676
All this says is "Cold as fuck" and "volcanic islands".
So, planet Iceland?

>>54111765
Does Iceland have krakens?

>>54111984
I don't know, would the nordic island kissed by the wracked sea have water monsters? I would kind of expect them there and not in a triangle whose corner is delimited by fucking Florida.

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>>54111765
Fenris' orbit is so elliptical that during the winter its continental oceans freeze solid and during the summer the world is almost torn apart by the star's gravity. It's not hard to be a nicer place to live.

Here's the full page from Inferno.

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>>54112233
And the rest.

>>54111676

The problem with Fenris is Russ wanted it that way. The other planets in the star system were fully 'modernized' Imperial worlds (before Nurgle om nom'd one of them). Russ wanted it to be a wild zoo; and after he left, it became an animal reserve where the people hold onto traditions just cuz and the Space Wolves have trouble keeping a super fortress tidy.

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>>54110880

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>>54112233
>>54112257
Yeah, kinda sounds like Iceland with even more cold and volcanoes.
What I find more interesting is the reality show of monsters that happen to live there.
>So many super-predatory species exist on a world so unsuited to having evolved even one of them -- so many variations in form and with few common gene-markers between them; why? My inescapable conclusion is that Fenris itself was made to be as it is by some conscious wil. (...) Fenris to me cannot be anything else but a vast and monstrous menagerie left to go wild down the millenia, a manufactured death world, (...) apex species of perhaps a thousand scattered worlds Drawn Together aaaay to fight for survival, and also perhaps with them was introduced the product of arcane science seeking to bring to life creatures that had only ever before existed in myth
>Fenryr Perdita, translated as (...) the Prison of Wolves.
That part does give me the creeps.

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>>54112498
Srsly, those guys do not look like loyalists.

>>54105266
The Archmandrite fell to Chaos.

>>54105413
Well, the AdMech still has the rituals to appease the Machine Spirits in the name of the Omnissiah. DarkMech just binds a daemon to the machine and says "get shit done." Not to say that it's a guarantee that the DarkMech machine will not turn on you, but they're not limited by the same strictures that loyalists are.

>>54107053
No its fine both are traitors and dipshits.

>>54112644
the Archmandrite was jumped by an Emperor killing Daemon undivided.

>>54112595
How so? They look friendly enough.

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>>54109210
Wow.

>>54113695
it's the spikes anon, by agreement amongst all four gods all servants of the warp are required to have at least one, the more, the more important, it's like the guard and big hats.

the wolves hate gets me thinking it's probably better to paint them as the feldpolizei from before russ, but it's yet an other metallic grey scheme :/

[Legion I don't like] are shits.

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Atrapos is coming together bit by bit. Still needs more work

>>54112552
The creepiest reveal in the series is definitely "there are no wolves on fenris".

Like fuck, Abnett, you one creative and disturbed nigga

>>54116133
Really nice anon. Base isn't done yet, right?

>>54116367
Nope. The model still needs more work and the base is going to be painted like rubble.

Why people forget canon lost primarch? http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/The_Angel

>>54116438
I also suspect if one was anti daemon weapon, other was anti xeno and destroyed by Rangdan.

>>54116451
>other was anti xeno
They were all anti-xeno.

>>54116482
Tell that to Rowboat.

>>54109746
Stop building towers of skulls, Senor Scorpion.
>>54110902
I pity you.

>>54116438
>yeah so my OC inquisitor has a superweapon that can destroy armies in minutes that was made by the Emperor himself but was smuggled out of terra in a 10k years old conspiracy
Fucking BL.

>>54116438
After reading the new Perty book, it seems to me that the lost primarchs might have just been ones who refused to accept the Emperor, when Perty meets him for the first time and is asked for his loyalty, the custards are literally pointing their weapons at him in case he says no, suggesting it's happened before.

>>54116683
Leman, Angron and Vulkan rejected him too.

>>54116698
Only initially and Angron was a special case due to the damage he'd sustained, the Emperor took him to Terra to try and fix him.

>reading Retribution
>siege of Mezoa
>all about the invasion of a Forge World
>9 pages of picts and descriptions of Astartes shit
>literally nothing about the Mezoan Taghmata
Why does FW hate Mechanicum players so much?

>>54116994
Well, since if the Taghmata actually fought in numbers reflecting where they were or used any of their fancy toys they'd have easily crushed the Astartes assault force of a few thousand, I guess FW figured they didn't want to draw attention to the entire planet's worth of massive guns they were ignoring.

As usual, Mechanicum is not allowed to win anything without magical Dreadnought Jesus along or being instantly crushed by Marines afterwards.

>>54117135
Yeah, it seemed absolutely ridiculous to me that only 9000 Astartes and 20,000 army troopers (not even Solar Auxilia) were depicted as such a massive threat that almost won when
>a: Mezoa was a major Forge World with a reputation for being incredibly militarized
>b: Mezoa was dug in and had the advantage of defending from fortified positions on their home turf
Not to mention the fact that they were supported by allied contingents of Astartes, Knights, and Solar Auxilia (not that they ever should have needed them)

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>>54117254
Yes. 12000 defenders of Mezoa, including ALL of the Forge World's bullshit, Automata, Astartes, Knights and SA. What the fuck. There's scale errors, and then there's failing so hard your "mighty assault force" should have been blown to shit, stormed and eradicated like pulling off a leech.
Also, since when were Forge World fleets "ragtag"? One Ark Mechanicus is fuckheug enough to tear apart a battle-barge, and those were the standard battleships of GC-era Forge Worlds.

Forge World is then crippled for the remaining decade-ish of the war because one Magos died and the Alpha Legion shot up one Forge-fane with infantry. I think they may be confusing Alpha-class Forge Worlds with small manufacturing bases, guys, because that's some serious bullshit.

>>54112595
That's fanart though.

>>54117670
Everyone seems to be forgetting Cassian Dracos mind-slaving every robot he came across.

>>54117948
That's a dead astartes out-Magoing a Dominus, anon.

>>54117670

To be fair, in GC era politics every manufacturing base under Mechanicum administration would want to be labeled a Forgeworld. Not all Forgeworlds are equal, after all - the ghetto ass confederacy which teamed up with the Thousand Sons is one such example of a Ghettocanicum.

>>54118015
>the ghetto ass confederacy which teamed up with the Thousand Sons is one such example of a Ghettocanicum.
The "guetto ass" that gave them Castellax better than what forgeworlds usually have? The one that gave them better bolters?
They're not a forgeworld: they're just a codex device for marines.
Like Illiastus.
Just like women in movies exist to adorn the protagonist (eh), so do forgeworlds seem to exist to adorn space marines (reee)

>>54118015
Yeah, but even Zhao-Arkkad had a full Titan Legion, dammit, and Mezoa is a major Forge World in a few other bits of fluff. You're right, there's probably some pretty titchy ones, but Mezoa shouldn't give a single fuck about less than 30k enemies even if they were all Astartes rather than just 1/3. There's a Forge World ranking system, too, Xana II is apparently "Primaris-1 Grade" which presumably is right up there.

>>54117948

Which doesn't have much bearing on things aside from making the Mechanicum Domini look incompetent as fuck. How the hell is he doing that, anyway? Did the Mezoans just build a Cortex Controller and some auto-Cybertheurgy engrams into him and crank his access permits to max for all their Boops?

>>54118015
Mezoa was stated to be a top-tier Forgeworld with an absurd level of militarization so that's neither here nor there.

About forgeworlds
Does this list can work?

HQ
Magos Dominus
Laspistol, Machinator Array

Magos Reductor
Abeyant, Archmagos Reductor, Augury Scanner, Chainfist, 2x Cyber-occularis, Djinn-skein, Machinator Array(warlord?)

Troops
Adsecularis Covenant
18x Tech-thrall, The Rite of Pure Thought

Castellax Class Battle-Automata Maniple
Castellax class Battle-automata
2x Bolter, Darkfire Cannon, Siege Wrecker
Castellax class Battle-automata
2x Bolter, Darkfire Cannon, Siege Wrecker
Castellax class Battle-automata
2x Bolter, Darkfire Cannon, Siege Wrecker

Secutarii Peltast Phalanx
16x Radium Carbine, 15x Secutarii
Secutarii Alpha with Omnispex

Thallax Cohort
Photon Thruster, 3x Thallax
Thallax Cohort

Multi-melta, 3x Thallax

Fast Attack
Vultarax Stratos-automata Maniple
1xVultarax Stratos-automata

Vultarax Stratos-automata Maniple
1xVultarax Stratos-automata

Heavy Support
Krios Battle Tank Squadron
1X Krios Venator Tank Destroyer with Extra Armour
1X Krios Venator Tank Destroyer

Krios Battle Tank Squadron
1XKrios Venator Tank Destroyer

Myrmidon Destructors
3x Irradiation Engine, 3x Myrmidon Destructor, Triaros Armoured Conveyor
Myrmidon Lord with Irradiation Engine

Ordo Reductor Artillery Tank Battery
Medusa cannons
Ordo Reductor Artillery
Machine Spirit, Siege Plating, Twin-Linked Bolter
Ordo Reductor Artillery
Machine Spirit, Siege Plating, Twin-Linked Bolter

>>54118220
Why are your units such random sizes, anon?
I'd cut a Castellax and the fourth Myrmidon Destructor, push the Peltasts and Adsecs up to 20, buy the Thallax the Destructor augment and get the Vulturax enhanced targeting. Buy the other two Cyber-Occularis and the rest of the Krios/the Triaros Extra Armour, and maybe give one of the Myrmidons a Graviton Imploder to deal with artificer sarges at the front and such.

If you need to, cut the Augury Scanner from the Archmagos, he's got Occularis to hand out Interceptor in full anyway. Also probably buy him a Cyber-Familiar.

What would be the best way to represent Alpha Legion with mortal operatives? Sacrificial Offering? Army of Dark Compliance?

>>54117670
I'm surprised you managed to type all this one-handed.

I would've thought you were too busy jerking off over the mechanicum to focus.

>>54118354
random becouse of points
2 castellax do not sustai enought damage in mid map, 1 will die for sure the first turn or around it, probably i can take off one siege wreaker to save 20 pts and take the cyber familiar(forgot about it)

destructor augument is useless, if i could i would also remove the thallaxi but they are a must-have, the darklance is to blind artillery, while the melta will DS near the magos with augury scanner.

vulturax ETA is standard included, no need to buy it, they already have it

myrmidon are already 4,3 plus lord

same for peltast, they are 15 plus sergent so 16 in total.

i would like to find the points for one extra armor(only need to the one ahead ),the cyber familiar and eventually one more cyber occularis

>>54106047
>>54106121
lel

>>54118682
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>>54116322
So what did it mean by the end? I always assumed it is because the Space Wolves end up flesh-changing to a wolf in the end, and they are the feral wolves populating fenris.

>>54118801
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;)

>>54118879
>So what did it mean by the end? I always assumed it is because the Space Wolves end up flesh-changing to a wolf in the end, and they are the feral wolves populating fenris.
That is, I believe, correct. The only wolves on Fenris are those who have fallen to the Canis Helix.

>>54118879
It has a double meaning, because Abnett's clever like that.

The more benign one is that the Space Wolves don't deserve their name, since they are bound to the emperor and are not independent like real wolves.

The second, and far creepier one, is that the wolves of Fenris are mutated settlers and failed aspirants

>>54118692
I would cut either the Darkfires or the Wreckers on all the Castellax, no need for them to be kitted out for heavy melee AND longrange vehicle sniping, they're S6 AP2 anyway. Use the points to buy those upgrades, then drop the fourth Myrmidon to get a Graviton Imploder on another Myrmidon, buy Cyber-Occularis #4 and fill out the infantry units to a full 20, you need to keep the Kyropatris buffs as long as possible and no reason not to spend 6 points on another two expendable bodies when all the upgrades are flat costs.

You don't really need a fourth Irrad myrmidon, three is quite enough to ruin a unit wholesale, and the Destructor augments make Lightning Guns and Photon Thrusters rather good at poking hull points off things in the event there's no artillery for you to attempt to blind (only a 29% chance of a blind, too).

>>54118682

Yes, I am a massive Mech fan, but even taking bias into account this is insane.

This is like an entire Legion being seriously threatened with destruction from a couple dozen Custodes, and then rendered combat-incapable for the rest of the Heresy because they managed to kill one Praetor in the process.

>>54109031
>8e is a solid ruleset
In what way? Removing 3/4 of the games mechanics in favor of streamlining and removing customization?

Fact is that they didn't want to move to 8e because the ruleset can't actually differentiate units from one another. Try making 18 LA rules that are all unique when your options are rerolling or +1/-1 to hit, wound, save, move, or leadership. The game gutted core mechanics that the HH revolves around (AV/vehicle rules and reserve rules)

>>54118933
>feeding your aspirants tea that turns them into literal wolves
The 6th legion are a bunch of wacky memers.

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>>54118962
>reminder that one blackshield managed to take on an entire mechanicum flesh-crawler, thallaxi and all ;)

>>54101138
Idk if I'm alone in this sentiment, but I'm not really in a hurry to adopt 8e rules for 30k. 40k atm is very bland and lacks customizability.

Also I feel like 30k is insulated from the majority of the problems that affect 40k 7e-chiefly the backbreaking release schedual and codex creep

>>54119075
That's not true, he just took down 50 dudes and lobotomised half-dudes while his company was fighting a flesh-crawler.
What IS a flesh-crawler anyway? Something cute and fluffy I imagine.

>>54119075
Yeah, that's pretty much what I'm on about. The Mechanicum get treated as a free punching bag by everyone because otherwise they'd make the Marine players slightly sad. Hell, just ONE win, or one description of what a Forge World is capable of that doesn't confuse it with a Guard Regiment and I'll be happy. Not bailed out by magic dreads, sabotaged by random Astartes or bouncing off plot shields because they can't afford to run any numbers against Space Marines. They put the numbers out there and then completely ignore them whenever an actual fight starts.

Still, that "flesh-crawler" seems like something suitable for a counts-as. Maybe equip it with two Inferno Cannon, make it a huge spidery crawler and count it as a Warhound? Still, that's the worst possible Warhound loadout.

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>>54119033
>mfw I'm actually cool with the 30k iteration of the wolves

Ffs you guys Space Marines don't fight enitre army vs entire army, they hit a vulnerable location, punch through and keep moving. Targeting weak spots individually a Marine outclasses most things he's likely to run into by a fair margin.

>>54119381
iirc the flesh crawlers are descrided as giant tracked moving factories, converting a world's population into tech-thralls, hence the name.

not such a warhound really is similar

>>54119445
Except in almost every battle we've seen showcased they DO fight army-to-army, and still win all the time. Istvaan, Mezoa, Paramar, only time they didn't was Xana, and that was probably the closest they came to a loss. Also, saying you can win every battle ever because "precision strikes" is a little much, since almost every time it's happened the enemy has no defences in place at all, the Marines know exactly where the enemy leadership is and the enemy has nothing that can outrun them or keep their aircraft away. Hell, the Scry And Die teleport/assassinate is blocked by Void Shields, we know this from Terra.

>>54119514

That does actually sound really cool, but I don't think there's anything in any book that actually spawns more dudes.
Mastodon, maybe? Load up a couple groups of Chainblade thralls?

>>54109031
8th is shiet nigga

>>54119011
>removing customization

nigger there was only ever 1 way to play most armies with cookie-cutter netlists all over the fucking place

8th isn't perfect but it sure as shit beats stock 7th

it's not like Horus Heresy is perfect either, especially not after Inferno opened the floodgates of half-assed bullshit

>>54119321
>40k atm is very bland and lacks customizability.
Ellaborate

>>54110179
Hi esdeathy :^)
You seem... Cross

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>>54119810
Troll

>>54119802
>playing vs netlisters and making 1-track armies

This is why 8e was necessary for 40k, stay out of 30k, k?

>>54119998
>the game isn't broken if you just ignore the broken stuff
Hmmm...

>>54110179
You seem to have a crippling case of autism. Please leave.

So why don't RG have a first captain?

>>54120026
>the game is broken even if you play this expansion that doesn't use any of the broken stuff
Really gets my thinkering going

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>>54119979
No, anon. As in what should we avoid. There has to be a way to move forward without compromising the flavour of 30k. And I believe it will be so, because this is FW after all and they love to add special rules for characters and units. I don't think we will lose it when we move to 8E (which will happen eventually).
So, can you elaborate on what we should avoid from 8e?
I believe many rules were dumbed down to "Reroll X for Y within Z inches", and yet FW managed to get their marine characters to not only avoid being fucking lame, but actually be worth taking now.

>>54120134
everything after isstvan III has been subject to power creep you moron, it's just not as pronounced as it was in 40k

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>>54120133
He died at Isstvan and 10 000 years later they are still too depleted to compensate. Oh wait, they aren't IH.

>>54120195
>Oh wait, they aren't IH
The Iron Hands have plenty of successors. It's the lazy Salamanders who have never in 10,000 years had enough marines for one.

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>>54120221
At least the Salamanders don't loose their heads when fighting Slaaneshi

Anyone got Sons of the Forge?

>>54120321
Here mate:
http://www20.zippyshare.com/v/xhzH7Z9l/file.html

Got Shattered Legions perhaps? I only want the Unspoken short story.

>>54120393
Thanks man

Don't have shattered Legions but do have Meduson which has the story you want
http://www69.zippyshare.com/v/YwpzD3in/file.html.

>>54120469
Nope, that's Unforged, Shattered Legions is Meduson + Hand Elect + Unspoken.

>>54120513
The formatting is fucked, I can assure you that Unspoken is in that book, it's just together with Deeds Endure

>>54120026
Even the stupid power built 30k lists can be put in a box by most regular lists. Inferno has some broken shit, but even then it is manageable. If you go after only broken shit, you are a faggot who is missing the point of the game. Using only broken shit is what made 40k shit, and bringing that mentality to 30k will ruin that as well.

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I'm back with an updated 8th army list. Will probably finish it this week and then it's time to decide some points.

>If you go after only broken shit, you are a faggot who is missing the point of the game. Using only broken shit is what made 40k shit, and bringing that mentality to 30k will ruin that as well.
How is making your army as effective as possible missing the point of the game if your list is also fluffy? If 30k will be ruined by anything it's FW's blatant shitty rules and poor editing, not "bad mentalities".

>>54120925
May you dine at the right hand of scananon in the halls of breadhalla for all eternity.

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Say, how do Hardened armour operates? Frontal assault! Because in regular 30k those extra metal plates pretty much only help against flamers and those non-AP3 batteries nobody ever takes.
Unless you're a Magos with 2+ Hardened, where you can suddenly reroll Earthshakers to the face.
What I'm saying is: I think it should have an effect against small arms fire.
>>54121054
Shiny and Chrome.

>>54120905
>If you go after only broken shit, you are a faggot who is missing the point of the game.
The Commander format of MtG is in a similar situation as 40k and 30k in that there's a wide gap between casual and competitive play and the two mindsets don't play very well against each other. There's a concept that is used by the rules council to decide if cards should be banned or not which I think is just as applicable here.
Basically, if a card is broken only by intentionally trying to break it through deliberate interactions and combos, it doesn't need to be banned. Competitive players rejoice in how good it is, casual players can use the card without deliberately breaking it. If the card becomes broken just by using it on its own or alongside commonly played cards, it unavoidably becomes a problem even in casual playgroups and deserves to be banned.
How it relates to 40k is that I think a lot of units, options and formations in 7th and 30k fall into the latter category. Even if players aren't trying to deliberately break the game, the way rules interact with each other makes a lot of choices broken enough to make the entire format less fun to play.

>>54121045
Ride the Ironfire, bitterbro.

>>54110179
The threshold is pretty low, you deserved it lol

>>54122446
S-shut up... I'm n-not r-retarded...

>>54112267

The new fluff states that Russ despised Fenris and wanted to take his legion elsewhere but the Emperor forbode it.

>>54111545
In Morty's case the Emperor did kill his xenos father after Morty tried to do it and failed. Morty resents this fact more than anything else. He spent thousands of years tracking his foster father through the Warp, imprisons his soul in a fucked up clock and tortures him with various little bugs. AND THIS STILL ISN'T ENOUGH FOR HIM! No, Morty STILL thinks Emps 'owes' him.

>>54122520
Is this from the Primarch novel?

>>54122815
yeah morty is a retard. Who cares.

>>54122870
Most death guard.
>>54122835
Wolf King.

>>54122899
OK. It's one I probably won't read. I find the face/heel turns BL is putting all the primarchs through is starting to wear a bit thin. Yeah, I know all the memes, but now the memes are starting to look tame compared to the current fluff.

>>54122991
You should.

It explains why Russ is such an asshole during the Heresy

>>54104018
is that a sons of horus chest piece?

>>54120925
How about the Siege Breaker and Master of Signals' abilities are auras?
>Siege Breaker
Units within 6" may reroll failed To Wound rolls vs vehicles
>Master of Signals
Units within 3" may reroll All failed To Hit rolls in the shooting phase.
>Legion Champion
In addition to the rules you wrote, add Must perform Heroic Interventions whenever possible. Or whatever name heroic interventions have nowadays.

>>54122520
>>54123019

It makes sense. Humanity cannot simply run from its problems to another corner of the Materium. Russ had to stay and learn to fight for every bit and piece of humanity - even if he thought it was a piece of shit backwater of the galaxy.

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>>54124345
Typical of you inferior Monkeigh, if you had a place that was between materium and immaterium you could simply run there from your problems.

>>54112267
Well, you shouldn't remove animals from their natural habitat.

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>Want to start Horus Heresy, at least on small scale
>18 legions to pick from
>Luna Wolves sound cool, even if I have to paint white
>Word Bearers I like the background of, and they look good as well, Gal Vorbak are beautiful
>Imperial Fists seem interesting as well
>Ultramarines are actually space romans and i really like the look of them
>Iron Warriors are siege guys with a nice style
>Night Lords look cool and get chain glaives
>Thousand Sons and Emperor's Children too
> I may even be Alpharius

I have this problem in 40k too, I just can't decide on what I like most. So many look good.
Any advice?

>>54125483
Try painting a single mini from each legion to see which one you prefer.

>>54125483
Legions may have many elements you can like.
But what are you looking for in a force of space marines?

>>54126087
I could try that, need to get some more paints for it.
>>54126102
I'm not super sure. Assault and shooty armies both have their appeals, maybe something not super vehicle heavy as to keep it lower in cost, and fairly easy to paint while having a good scheme, and that looks good in MkIV.
Although would MkIV Luna Wolves work?

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>>54126305
>Although would MkIV Luna Wolves work?
Sure thing. If someone says Horus requested MkIV to be issued to his legion first due to his newly invested power as Warmaster (and thus his legion now the Sons of Horus), say both the change in panoply ocurred some time after his promotion and "they're still repainting".

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>>54121101
Hey, sounds legit pdfanon, bullets tend to dislike extra frontal armour on their targets, ask anti-tank weapons through history. :)
Im taking it the vehicles are waiting on the FW index they are putting out? If not then I would be happy to pitch in

>>54118649
Anyone? Please I don't really know much about anything outside of legion forces

>>54126305
>>54126417

Works as loyalists remnants, would have to have the same backstory as other loyalists who were operating deep on the fringe out of reach.

>>54129092
The White Scars did that and for that specific reason they didn't have as much MkIV as other legions that were more on hand to be supplied did.

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>>54128967
Sacrificial offering. The legion now Outflank without using Mutable Tactics for Scout.
Say you're also bringing Dynat.
Congrats, now the marines and dreadnoughts are in the enemy's deployment zone, right where your Tank Hunter Machine Killer +1 to Vehicle Damage Veteran team is on point with their rerollable Str9 AP0 Combi-meltas.
Dunno, if it's gimmicky then it sounds like AL.

>>54126305
Super-heavy tanks are actually pretty good money/points value. So are Land Raiders, infantry of all types, and a lot of Dreadnoughts (their drop pods less so, and don't bother running a Leviathan without one). Poor money/points units include Rhinos, Predators, drop pods, a lot of the flyers, Javelins, bikes, Jetbikes… the lighter stuff.

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>>54118649
That scene near the beginning of Legion is strait up Sacrificial Offering.

Army of Dark Compliance, along with Shattered Legions, is one of those "opponent's permission required) lists because it's easy to unbalance. Still something cool to work towards as your collection grows, but you also need a fully-approved army. Sacrificial Offering is better than just running an allied detachment so go for it. Attack bikes are a dark horse choice that get a lot better when they can outflank. Make a good escort for a bike character, too, since a unit of 5 has 10 wounds and T5.

Any of you folks read the Dark Imperium novel yet? I actually quite liked it and I'm looking forward to the days we actually get to the scouring now. The opening with Guilliman getting BTFO by Fulgrim was excellent IMO and the portrayal of both Primarchs was better that half the shit we get in the HH series.

Also I know half of you cant stop arguing about Magnus doing nothing wrong and theres a bit where Guilliman takes a pot-shot at the Emperor over it that I imagine you'd like.

>>54107154
Recipe for the metallic WB armour?

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Are the Luna Wolf transfers just gone? Is there a way to get more or am I stuck having to practice freehanding?

>>54129629
I saw on ebay going for >$100.

>>54120026
If i can do it in 8th: the spammening, why not? :^)

>>54124273
>Must perform Heroic Interventions whenever possible
The stupid part about that is that even if you're forced to perform one, you can decide to move 0" to avoid getting into combat.

>>54118952
Based Abnett.

>>54129407
I read it. It was pretty interesting, but Guy Haley's a lot better at writing pre-posthumans (Shadowsword was his best, imo). Good info, much less infantile than I expected for a tie-in to a new release, but I could put it down relatively easily.

It does mean we should get some cool stuff for the traitors in the late-Heresy/Scouring periods.

As for Primaris marines, it looks like some of the Deathwatch characters were just about as tall as them. Makes me appreciate that FW convinced GW not to grow the marines in the BaC and BoP sets (though the Sisters of Silence did get biggified - they're as tall as the marines in the box).

>>54126417
It could also just be loyalist Sons of Horus who somehow avoided the purge and repaint their livery.

>>54129629
Making your own transfers isn't that hard. If you don't have a laser printer Staples can do it for like $0.45

https://youtube.com/watch?v=yvBilhOALZg

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Finished the big banana gun slut.

>>54129407
>He hefted the weapon thoughtfully. The firelight danced in his eyes. How it burned was a question of the warp, not of science, for all the machine trappings on the blade and in the hilt. His father had been gifted in both, more so than any other man. The sword resisted Guilliman’s attempts to learn its nature, and he would not release it to any other agency for study.
>For these arts, Magnus had been censured. The retaliation for a warning sent in good faith had created another terrible foe. Another miscalculation on his father’s part – only a human could make so many errors.
Jesus man go easy. He HAD a family.

>>54130706
>The retaliation for a warning sent in good faith had created another terrible foe
This isn't fair. The Emperor wanted Magnus dragged to Terra to explain himself. It was Russ and Horus who burned Prospero.

>>54130506
I really like your banana gun slut. I'd give him some more battle damage and maybe killing counts in one of the weapons

>>54130859
Ooo, I could do this....

Thanks!

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>best legion

Hey mechanicum players what Forge World did you choose? I'm curious how many of you made your own instead of using a canon planet.

>>54131365
I always fancied obscure Forge Worlds. My mechanicum force is mostly from Anvilus.

For example take a look at the alternative Legion heavy weapons. They all have the 'prefix' pattern Lascannon/plasma cannon/autocannon etc. All those prefixes refer to Forge Worlds.

From there, make up your own scheme and fluff.

>>54131365
I made my own Forge World so I could use a green and bronze scheme I came up with, but I haven't named it yet and they originated from a Xanatite Explorator Fleet and have strong ties with them so I can use those sexy Malinax knights and transfers. You can go fairly nuts with Forge World fluff given how varied and OP they tend to be.

>>54131476
>a green and bronze scheme
Like Zhao-Arkkad?

>>54131524
>different colours on the axes
that does not look very pleasant

>>54131566
Chaos isn't pleasant. A khornate axe and a slaaneshi axe.

>>54131572
implying slannesh would give you an axe and not a whip

>>54131615
If Fulgrim had a Slaaneshi sword, I cannot see why some scrub could get an axe.

>>54131226
Reading black library has really made the smurfs grow on me. They're not the boring starch-arses they're memed to be, they do have a sense of humour & are also much more practical than might be expected. (And yes, I was aware of the whole "theoretical/practical" thing, but they really do live it.)

Also, that's one neat paint scheme.

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>>54131643
I like their Roman aesthetic a lot. The UM's really don't deserve the amount of flak they get, especially their 30k era counterparts.

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>>54131555
Darker, and without the schizophrenic orange patterns, orange is just for weapon glows and lenses. Based it on this picture of a Genetor holding a Tyranid head.

>>54131660
Don't worry about it, it's just WBs hating on them and WBs are shits.

>>54131524
>Big Iron Guys
How will those tiny IF ever recover?

>>54131660
>The UM's really don't deserve the amount of flak they get
You're right. We shouldn't downplay all the major contributions they made to the war like

>>54131680
Hey! That's not fair! They

>>54131642
implying a sword is even similar to a brutish axe you mong

>>54131680
killed a whole bunch of word bearers, which is the noblest of causes

that's why the iron warriors are the best traitors, too

>>54131704
>killed a whole bunch of word bearers
Meh, the Word Bearers killed more of them.

Plz no bully WB.

Seriously though, are Word Bearers properly disliked or just open to more than the usual amount of teasing and memes? Shop is full of assorted Loyalists from Traitor Legions, so I thought for my first 30k army I'd provide a cackling cartoon villain to contrast with all the "Noble Demon" narratives being slung around, since I like the OTT aesthetic.

>>54131875
nerd bearers are just the legion with the most bullying potential, don't worry about it

>>54131875
>are Word Bearers properly disliked
No they aren't the Space Wolves. It's just memes and shitposting, don't take it seriously.

>>54101138
Some ideas for salamanders wargear
any sergent/character can mastercraft any weapon for 10pts, the weapon inflict 1 more damage
Praetor can take the elder drake mantle for 30 points, it add 2 wounds
All character and terminators can take a dragonscale stormshield, add 1 to the invuln save roll or give a 5++ if no existing invuln save, still 15/5pts for power armored/terminators marines ?

>>54131875
Bird Wearers are objectively the bad guys, of course people are going to bully them.

>>54131883
>>54131901

Ah, excellent. We have the coolest ships, anyway, even if one of them did get memed by Black Library.

>>54131988

Don't mind being the bad guys, that's kinda the point, just as long as we're cool ones
I was planning a force with a decent number of Gal Vorbak and cultist swarms centered around a huge rolling cathedral counts-as Mastodon, on two pairs of tracks and with a Diabolist standing on a balcony casting a shield over the thing to represent Voids. Back it up with a couple Vindicators and Dreads, of course.

I hear the Mastodon is terrible, but then again so is most Word Bearers stuff. Does anyone know the dimensions of the normal Magic School Bus?

>>54131875
I still think a big part is that people read the first three HH novels, think "that Erebus bloke is a proper dickhead", and then carry that attitude over to the rest of the legion. When they read a bit more, especially First Heretic, they maybe realise that the WB aren't so bad but that Erebus is still a dickhead.

>>54132079
>We have the coolest ships, anyway
The Phalanx is the anointed pimpmaster cribship of the Imperium.

>>54131909
Considering the mechanics of mastercrafted weapons have changed (+1Dmg is simply different to a reroll, and applies in different scenarios), and the way Eternal Warrior works now and how it was broken for Salamander Praetors (Krieg Marshals only suffer 1 wound max per attack) those options won't cost the same.
The mantle could let you either only take one wound per attack, or reroll wounds, or roll two dice for wounds and pick the lowest. I don't know what that would cost.

>>54132081
Erebus did literally nothing wrong

>>54132081
Yeah, Erebus remains a massive dick even though I like his Legion. Still, I get to go properly heavy metal gothic with my conversions, which is always nice.
Up against chill Death Guard hueg guy, chill World Eaters dude, Iron Hands robot guy, dickhead Ultramarine cheese player and hopefully there'll be a Mechanicum army joining soon with a converted themed thing according to DGguy. So far all Loyalists apart from me and Mech AFAIK.

>>54132097

Phalanx vs. the Abyss-class trio vs. Speranza and Iron Revenant, FIGHT!

>>54132300
I thought 10points was a fair price for +1dmg, since most weapon cost less, safe for the heavy ones, who don't really care about one more point of damage
The elder drake mantle rules you suggest seems too powerful in a world where bolter is everywhere, taking off one wound per attack make him immune to small arms, rerolling wounds make the unfluffy bike/jetbike option even more attractive, I still think my temporary solution is the best out of what you offer : no cool gimmick, but not overly broken and rather cheap

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>>54132433
>taking off one wound per attack make him immune to small arms,
No, taking only a single wound per attack. I'm basing it on the way the Memento Mori gives Eternal Warrior to people: got hit by a bolter? 1 wound. Got hit by a power fist with D3 damage? 1 wound. Got D6 hit by an Earthshaker that does D3 dmg, and would recieve thus D6*D3 wounds? Suffer D6 wounds (the times it hit).
The effectiveness of small arms isn't reduced, only the big ones.
And it's not like a T5 EW 2+/3++ MC Thunderhammer Salamander biker wasn't attractive before

>>54105883
>>54105897
For a serious answer, both have nice colour schemes. If you're planning to get the Primarch model, then I'd lean toward World Eaters, since imo Angron is the nicest one there is so far (nice detail, very animated pose, looks vicious with the display base where he's chopping through loyalists), though there are a few tied for a close second.

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>>54131699
>implying the axe isn't the most perfect weapon

>>54133053
>implying the perfect weapon isn't human ingenuity

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>>54133166
WRONG

>>54131680
BTFOing night lords, worst bearers, and world eaters

not to mention fixing the imperium immediately after the war

>>54133206
Surprisingly, that almost works. Should have changed the shields though.

>>54119033
>>feeding your aspirants tea that turns them into literal wolves
>The 6th legion are a bunch of wacky memers.
Actually this has been a thing since the very first Space Wolf novels. The very first one follows Ragnar's time as an aspirant, which not only includes him fighting a fellow Aspirant who changed into a Wolfen, but also another one who dies fighting a TROLL (the fantasy kind that regenerates if you don't use fire).

To sidetrack a bit, I often find it amusing when people criticize bits of fluff as writers adding in crazy shit, when many times they're taking old fluff and mentioning it again.

>>54132081
>they maybe realise that the WB aren't so bad
Yeah, no... I walked away from First Heretic hating everyone but Argel Tal. Frankly the book explains why the Emperor never told the Primarchs about the Chaos Gods. Because he knew he'd end up with someone retarded, like Lorgar, who would suck their dicks no matter how horrible they were.

>>54129226
That sounds pretty sweet

>>54133599
If anything, that says the SW are, and have been wacky memers from the beginning.
What happened to the Terran members of the SW? Was there a cup of the wulfen before Fenris?

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>>54133206
>that picture

>>54133599
>ahh yes you argel tal is what the emperor wanted, a man who cannot refuse his armour and has fallen in love with a blind girl and even if you wished to bone her it would be hedonism and you would bite her with your daemonic dick
Wouldn't be surprised if lorgar was into vore he's already such a masochist

>>54133206
Anon where do you live I'd like to pay you a visit

Are all the legion dice gone as well? They looked nice, i wanted some for my EC.

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>>54120321
Anyone got the audio book? Also any of the newer HH books in audio would be nice.

>>54133599
>To sidetrack a bit, I often find it amusing when people criticize bits of fluff as writers adding in crazy shit, when many times they're taking old fluff and mentioning it again.

I wasn't criticizing anything, merely making an observation. The Swolves are total memelords.

>>54131680
the scouring

>>54132521
This is even worse, that mean he is just as tough against heavy bolter as he is against missile launcher (if he is on this damned jetbike)
Also no I would like to point out that the "cleansing fire" bolter&chainsword propose is absolutely broken : that's a full 30s5 shots with a regular 5-man flamer squad and that would delete a 10man bolter squad with a bit of luck

>>54131875
A few of them are the most mustache-twirling, one-dimensional evil characters in the story, out of a very small number of them.

Lorgar reminds many of us of the annoying kids in high school who believed so strongly in something (usually but not always religion) that it colored every single one of their words and actions.

And they're often portrayed as a stereotypically dumb horde army.

But yeah, they definitely have a cool side to them.

>>54135182
What would chaos be without its just-as-crazy-as-the-imperium's worshippers ?

>>54134659
Thinking about it more clearly now, mere +2W sounds better. The Mememento Mori makes sense for Marshalls because they have mortal stats with a 5++, instead of 6W 3-5++ termie characters may have.
8W is merely upgrading from surviving a power fist to surviving two, instead of "can tank a turbolaser".
And the B&C thing, sure we shall change whatever is exaggerated. They're just proposals after all. Like the Legion specific WTs we proposed back then, and some were "gains EW lel".
The nerve! Instead of buying it :^)

>>54131699
>Marine torn between Khorne and Slaanesh
>Khorne gives him an axe
>Slaanesh, god of excess and perfection, notices he's being outdone
>Gives marine an even better axe so that she can remind Khorne who makes better axes

>>54135648
I don't know why the Slaaneshi weapon isn't a hammer, considering Forgebreaker was forged by Fulgrim. Bare chested and sweaty.
That would allow them to use "get hammered with us" puns and shit.

>>54135790
well, that or a sword, for obvious reasons.

>tfw can't find Crimson King audiobook
anyone been able to find it?

>>54135790
Because Khorne gave him an axe and Slaanesh is not one to be outdone.

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>>54131226
I think you posted the wrong pic, that isn't the Vth legion.

>>54134655
That's post-war and therefore doesn't count. Try again Roboute.

>>54133821
the supplier couldnt supply FW with a steady stream, and FW has decided to find someone else to make them afaik

>>54136727
Reminder that your signature squad will always look like a collection of dildos, no matter how well painted.

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Two new pics, for your entertainment before the thread dides.

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>>54137223
>dides
GJ brain.

>>54137223
>>54137240
>tfw shield captains can't take aquillon armour

>>54137223
>>54137240
>new

>>54137206
You say that like it's a bad thing.

>>54137329
>tfw shield captains can't take jetbikes, duel wield a paragon spear and a solarite fist and get a rule where the extra attacks generated by the spear may be made with the fist
Why live?

>>54137453
>Why live?
Presidium shield + cyber familiar + digital lasers?

>>54137521
IT'S NOT ENOUGH.