Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

>>54089983
>>54090020
I have them. They're right next to me. I could literally copy them out for you. But you're literally begging for no reason. Buy the book and support the company.

Don't like that?

THEN DOWNLOAD THEM ILLEGALLY LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE VIA THE LINK ABOVE.

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1st for Sisters a QT!

tfw you added the 'deader than the emperor' to the OP post thing like 2 days ago and everyone is copying it

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How can you say "no Femarines" to this face?

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Nth for grey knight interceptors in rhinos are really good

If I took a shit right onto the gaming table in the middle of a battle, what units could that proxy as?

>>54090088
The core rules.

>>54090070
The original picture is fucking awful. Terrible fetish.

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Can Pask give orders to his own tank?

>>54090085
>he's not pretending it's a shotamarine

you gay or something, son?

>>54090103
Yes. They can in AoS and every other unit can do that if they have the keyword. How is this difficult?

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>>54090052

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Threadly reminder

>>54090085
>I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M DOING
>I'M SORRY!

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Asked last thread but does anyone know where this image is from?

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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/06/30/a-downloadable-warhammer-40000-army-roster/

Hey guys check this out!

Note that box in the top right that says "Army Faction"? If you put 'Ynnari' there, you don't get to take any of the restricted units in your army at all, but if you put 'Aeldari' there, nothing in your army gets the Ynnari keyword or Soulburst except the three Ynnari special characters.

Just to clarify one last time how that works.

Reminder the FAQ confirming this as correct is imminent!

>>54090103
Yeah, he can.

>>54090143
Looks like it's from FFG Roleplaying game. The only other possibility is IA8. Or whatever the old one with the Raven Guard vs Orks was.

>>54090088
Ah, a fellow beastmen player...

>>54090083
It's like when people added "daily danken" meme videos in the OP and two days later people would still be mindlessly copying it in to each new OP.

>>54090178
Show us your underwear!

54090178
nice samefag

54090178
Report and hide

>>54090178
ABANDON THREAD

I'm debating picking up Necrons as my second army, what would you guys suggest I pick up to start up? Is the Starter box good? What units are working well?

I'm a little afraid it's going to be Warrior spam.

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>>54090178
>the code checks out

>>54090178
post pics

>>54090069
>not in the link above
>REEE PEOPLE WANT TO LOOK AT RULES
If I like the rules I'll buy the book but I won't waste money on rules I don't enjoy

>>54090205
Just make sure you go Sautekh. They have like 4 special characters, can take the 2 non-specific ones. Double shame that, as I like Trollzan and he's shit.

Why do the DAs let the Consecrators do their shit? I feel like they'd be controlling their unforgiven better.

Also, the Mechanicus is the shit. Look upon the legions of the Omnissiah and beg for mercy, Chaos fucks.

Am I crazy for wanting to use Shredders on my warriors? They're objectively better against T1-5 and break even on T6 compared to splinter rifles. Blasters are nice, but Deldar are not exactly chomping at the bit for heavy damage weapons anyway, so I don't see anything wrong with giving up blasters on kabalites.

>>54090229
probably gonna need some context there buddy

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>>54090178
Why haven't I fucking filtered your tripcode yet?

>>54090229
Wha?

>>54090243
The Consecrators are a DA successor of unknown founding with a ton of Heresy-era equipment. They go into the ruins of Caliban a lot to collect artifacts, but I can only find one specific record of them fighting with the DAs, and none of them actively pursuing the fallen.

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Hey /40kg/, newfag here to both /tg/ and 40k... my friend just got me into the game with the new edition, and I bought me the "Getting started with Necrons" pack.

Is there any advice (or general guides) for playing with/buying Necrons? Or painting them?

Also, any good groups or shops to join in the Chicagoland area?

>>54090235
Incidentally, are there any units besides spore mines that have T1?

>>54090178
>shes still around
Please, make the shitposting center around your mediocre fetish. The rules autists are ruining everything

Should I bring my Orks or Deldar to a game tomorrow?

>>54090247
cos you secretly hope she'll post tits and you don't want to miss it?

>>54090264
Additionally, I'm just talking about some of the crazy shit the Mechanicus has, like the Ordinatii and the Speranza. Sorry, I can be a bit clueless sometimes.

>>54090265
Is this your first miniature game in general?
And who the hell told you about /tg/ this is a terrible place.

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What would be a good Voidcutter weapon stand-in?

>>54090152

Are you drunk? You can make as many elligable Eldar become Ynnead worshippers as you like, and the unifying keyword will remain Eldar.

>>54090265
With the new edition drop your best bet is to wait a bit to see what is decent in your army now, the /wip/ thread will help you figure out anything you need to know about painting. I'd recommend a simple scheme to start with that you might be able to add onto later if you want

>>54090274
Not at all. I'm certainly not that desperate for some internet camwhore's attention or nudes. I feel like it's more of because I need a notification of when the thread's definitely going to go to shit. Like, a tripcode that signifies "all thee who enter here, abandon hope".

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>>54090273
Orks you fucking git

>>54090274
>tranny
>tits
wew laddy boiiii.

>>54090270
>She

>>54090278
Yep, first minature game ever. Only now getting into it as I finally have a job and excess funds lying around.

And I live on 4chan, so /tg/ seemed a natural jump.

>>54090216
The are in the link above, that's how the rest of us got them smartarse

>>54090285
Read the rules. Nothing lets you pick and choose Eldar to be Ynnari, you can only do it if the whole army is Ynnari.

>>54090311
Welcome. Should be some cool Necron shit happening soon, especially with the Mechanicus, if what Vetock said is any indication. Do you have any Necron models so far, or are you starting totally fresh?

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>>54090307

>>54090085
That's just an Inquisitor who just feels really bad for all the heretics and xeno who have to die because they don't bath in the glory of the Emperor.

>>54090282
Dunno, but I like the look of your bookshelf

>>54090112
The earings kill the fantasy for me.

>>54090293
>I feel like it's more of because I need a notification of when the thread's definitely going to go to shit.
That happens whenever /pol/ leaks into the thread.

>>54090235
Splinter Rifle RF (T*) 2 hits, wounds on 4s for 1 wound
Shredder (T4) 2 hits, wounds on 2s rerolling for 1.94 wounds
Shredder (T4, T5) 2 hits, wounds on 3s rerolling for 1.78 wounds
Shredder (T6) 2 hits, wounds on 4s rerolling for 1.5 wounds

They're better than the rifle, to be sure... but for 8 points you're honestly just better off buying another Kabalite.

>>54090264
That's because any chapter that isn't a super popular chapter like the Ultramarines or Dark Angels won't have much written about them.

>>54090290
>simple scheme to start with

Not gonna lie, that is part of the reason I picked Necrons, less variety and easier to paint since its my first time and all. Still, was thinking of maybe doing some type of bronze theme with them.

>>54090264
>Consecrators

ah right. Pretty sure safeguarding relics is basically their job isn't it?

If they can raise a chapter specifically to hunt Cypher, I don't see any reason why they can't have one to go relic hunting

(also successor chapters are more about being <your guys> than story line)

>>54090372
Don't make me laugh, /pol/ don't cause nearly as much chaos as this whore does.

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TRANSLATION WHEN?

>>54090344
>if what Vetock said is any indication.
I lost something?

The best possible end for 40k is the Tau winning and eliminating the warp.

Prove me wrong.

>>54090344

Thanks m8. Totally fresh, besides the units in the starter box, which iirc are some warriors, scarabs, an overlord and a triarch stalker.

>>54090378
When I had Necrons I did the Silver with bronze shoulders, chest piece, and guns. Shit looks cash. A full bronze Necron army would look even cooler

>>54090376
Yeah, fair enough. They have showed up pretty recently in Gathering Storm, and I think the Stygian campaigns, so I'm hoping they get some fluff. They have a nice, easy scheme, and some fluffy reasons to have a lot of the FW shit, so I'm probably running them alongside my Mechanicus army.

>>54090268
Brimstones? They might be T2, though.

>>54090375
And when you're raider is full? Generally speaking, yes it's better to have another dude, but it's not practical because you not taking kabalites on foot. Ever.

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>>54090365
Geez, Anon.

>>54090400
The best possible end is the tyranids devouring everything so the Old Ones can start over.

>>54090400
I can't prove you wrong.

Because you are absolutely right.

>>54090085
Via whisper, followed by a melta to the face.

>>54090273

Everyone loves playing with Orks

>>54090394
He dropped hints in the 24hr stream on 8e release day about the Mechanicus having some Necron shit going on soon.

>>54090390
Did you miss the weapons-grade autism ancap vs nazifag thread last night? That's just one example of /pol/cucks ruining threads and it was worse than every genestealer whore derail put together.

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>>54090415
My headcanon is Nids are an Old Ones creation.

>>54090435
>that one thread was teeerrible, it was truly another shoah
No, I didn't miss it. And while it was bad at least it later led to some discussion on the politics of the Imperium and the Tau Empire. This whore causes nothing but derailment and chaos. She is objectively worse than discussion that initially starts out as off topic but later at least somewhat falls back in line.

>>54090407
I just started last October. Started Guard, but switched to Mechanicus pretty quickly. I'm not from the Chicago area, so I can't help much with stores aside from tell you to check out tabletop places and GW stores. 40k is big enough that you'll probably find people who have played it at most stores that deal in tabletop gaming.

>>54090449
That's not headcanon, that's Starcraft.

>>54090449

Tyranids are vanguard organisms for the true ultimate lifeform: Felinids.

>>54090327
Went through every mega link, all the 8th edition ones, the 7th ed ones, and the fw specific megas and the newest IA Index: Forces of the Adeptus Astartes is not there

>>54090453
>he's the fucking nazifag trying to defend his own thread derailments
Yeah, no, fuck off you dumb cunt.

>>54090435
>>54090390
>>54090372
>>54090453
>>54090465

enough, this is plastic crack thread, not who's the worse shit poster

>>54090465
Oh gee, I can't believe it's a triggered plebbit tard who isn't able to handle the fact that his /soc/ whore is worse than le evil nazis.

>>54090449
My nid based headcannon is that the tyranids our galaxy is familiar with are just a single hive mind in an incredibly vast society of hive minds. Eons ago, the hive mind we know committed some crime against another hive mind. And now the society of hive mind's law enforcement agency is chasing it through space. In effect, the thing that the tyranids are running from is a larger swarm of tyranids.

>>54090400
Best ending is salamanders find the last relic and find out its a weapon to napalm all life in the universe webway and warp and decide fuck it.
Rock falls, everyone dies.
Gw releases new game warhammer 40000bc...

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>>54090460
Yeah but they existed way before Starcraft.

>>54090461
Seems fair.

>>54090485
Interesting.

>>54090432
> Triumvirate with plastic Silent King sculpt
> Living Metal can't contain my joy

>>54090463
40k > 8th ed > indexes > forgeworld

Do Flashgitz benefit from the Battlewagons ability to move and shoot heavy without penalty?

I need a chaos use for Cawl, that model is too cool to just ignore.

>>54090494
Any idea why the tyranid tendrils are pointed at the Maelstrom in most of the maps? I'm asking as someone that knows very little about nids.

>>54090474
You have to admit it's kind of telling that the guy who bitches the loudest about the tyranid slut who shows up maybe once every week and a half is the fucking /pol/cuck who derails threads twice a day.

>>54090311
Meh, you'll lose a lot until you git gud.
Your models will look like shit until you practice.
The playerbase can get insufferable at the times.
Besides that, welcome to the fold.

>>54090506
What would the Silent King even do on the fucking tabletop? He seems more like an intellectual than a warrior to me. An aura buff unit at best I suppose.

Someone post the fucking Squiggoth rules from FW.

>just mentioning /pol/ in a slightly negative light is enough to trigger stormcucks into shitposting relentlessly about it.

You guys are the new furries you know that right? Nobody cares how many candles you light in Hitler's name each night, so long as you keep it to yourself.

>>54090518
Have you seen the Chaos IA index? There are some Dark Mechanicus guys in there.

If i have 2 attacks and 2 servoarms i can make 2 attacks +2 with servoarms, or only 2 with servoarms?

>>54090524
>reee reee everyone i don't like is an evil nazi
I'm not the only faggot whining about that whore and I'm certainly not the natsoc you're looking for. Begone thy beta orbiter.

>>54090508

>40k greater than 8th edition

You take that back

>>54090521
Probably just because they're coming into the galaxy from outside and the Maelstrom is roughly at the center, so it looks like they're converging towards there because they're just trying to push deeper into the galaxy.

>>54090454
I was actually considering Mechanicus instead of Necrons, but Necron's design edged out just a bit more for me. Plus, my buddy said to hold off on the admec for now for some reason.

And thanks, thats what I've been searching for. I'm just hoping to find a good and chill group to play with regularly. Been hyping myself with some battle reports on yt, seems really fun.

>>54090524
maybe but this is plastic crack thread

>>54090463
40k>8th>indices>forgeworld>adeptus astartes.
Come on now it took me longer to type out then find it in the first mega link.

>>54090534
Fucking this.

>>54090518
Use him as Kelbor Hal considering thats who he really is anyway

>>54090544
gah you made me snort

>>54090526

>What would the Silent King even do on the fucking tabletop?

Well Triarchs are jump, so ideally be a jump overlord with a Primarch-level buffed up My Will Be Done.

Maybe called Give Us This Day Our Daily Bread.

>>54090521
Aren't they supposed to be be converging to the Astronomican?

>>54090506
I'm fucking excited, dude. Admech gets the limelight, finally, and we get more lovely Necron shit. Also, remember that Bell in the 1st Gathering Storm boom that fucked up a bunch of Trazyn's shit? Any idea what that was? I think it was called "St. Gerstahl's Bell", or something like that.

>>54090533
It's in the fucking mega ffs!

what's the best company for Primaris Marines right now?

>>54090566
I think that got all fucked up by the cicatrix maledictum.

>>54090546
Probably necause they have a new Imperial Armor book slated for release soon. Should bring them some new models.

>>54090576
A trash can.

>>54090563
>not On Earth As It Is In Heaven
Do you even Lord's Prayer bruh?

>>54090526
Overlord on a command barge that replaces its normal guns with lascannons and the triarch stalker rule?

>>54090526
He's the Silent King. Even if he's a leader rather than a warrior he's going to have literally the best body and the best weapons. Expect something halfway between a Primarch and Cawl.

>>54090576
Games Workshop Ltd.

>>54090596
What do I look like, a christcuck?

>>54090526
The same shit Ethereals do?

>>54090545
Yeah, that's a good point. I tend to get tunnel vision with this stuff and miss easy explanations. I did notice that some of the ones going towards Terra turned towards the Maelstrom, but I guess that could nust be them blunted by Imperial resistance.

>>54090617
Nah, you look like a Vargcuck :^)

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>>54090576
Something melee-y

Tau fluff: are there any rebel ethereals that say "fuck enslaving people, let us liberate them instead"?

How come eldar can't have beards
I mean, dark eldar are pirates, right?

>>54090620
If you're talking about Leviathan, it re-routed away from Terra awhile ago after Krytpman's Exterminatus Cordon and Kryptman's Gambit. That's how they ended up in Octarius fighting the Orks for 100 years.

>>54090538
Does the weapon profile say you can make additional attacks? If not, no. You make two attacks.

>>54090641
You can have a beard if you want it anon, you just have to pay the Haemonculus for it. I bet there's a dark eldar out there somewhere who is crazy enough to get a beard, and got it specially equipped to behave like lelith's hair.

>>54090630
Those proportions are fucking horrible

>>54090633
No, fuck off with your noblebright taucuck shit.

>>54090596

How about Forgive Us Our Trespasses?

>>54090654
camera perspective

>>54090630
Jesus christ that Sister's upper torso area is horrifying

>>54090660
noblebright tau are the best though!

While not personally into cucking, I don't have a problem if you enjoy it anon, so long as it's voluntary and fully informed among all parties

>>54090664
No, they're just bad. The shoulders are too narrow compared to the waist, the Eldar's arms are too short, the thighs are shaped weird and are way too long and the cheeks look like shrink wrapped balloons.

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>T'au are a shooting race
>BS4

>>54090641
huh, I don't know. maybe they do have beards but yo never see them because of the helmets

>>54090683
Like the IG?

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>>54090654
says you

>>54090548
What the heck makes scorpion face guns so special that they can boom headshot a terminator?

Hive Fleet Leviathan vs a Leviathan Dread with two Grav Flux Bombards.

>>54090689
>a bunch of conscripted no-training cucks are as good at shooting as actual warriors given better armor and high tech rifles

>>54090651
Rapebeard the Archon. Whips motherfuckers to death with his beard.

I need to get a Dark Eldar archon and a dwarf head now.

>>54090702
T'au canonically have awful eyesight, essentially giving them a racial -1 on BS. This is why they invented markerlights.

>>54090152
Obviously, anon. This was clear before this sheet was even out. The main "army" doesn't really matter, except for this.

Fuck the rules for this even say this.

>>54090689
IG make up for it by their big weapons being blast weapon based, OH WAIT

>>54090691
>that wrinkly fat thigh skin
I puked a little in my mouth

>>54090705
I'm loving this. Please create open chin helmet and have manly bearded chin bursting out.

>>54090691
Now see, that's a picture of a normal human being, when you actually compare it too the image the problems become more apparent. I'm not saying the proportions are bad because the asses are big I'm saying the proportions are bad because they are, see >>54090682

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>>54090683
>using bs in 8th

pleb

>>54090285
Then your army wouldn't be ynnari. The rule doesn't work that way anon.

>>54090723
Get ready for the ">THICC" posts, anon.

>>54090526
>>54090605
He is the Leader of the entire Nercon race so I am thinking Bobby-G level buffing and with the way he is finding his way into ever list I am hopeful.

With the complexity of the character sculpts that dropped this year so far I am exited to see what they can come up with.

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Does 40k have a reason for the similarities between humans and eldar?

>>54090683
>only use commanders
>whole army is 2+

>>54090733
>8" range

Wow a glorified flamer.

I'm so scared.

>>54090748
not really

>>54090694
They can't. Terminators have 2 Wounds.

>>54090691
T H I C C
H
I
C
C

Astartes Señoritas tier

>>54090748
Created by the bipedal old ones

>>54090748
Evolution would honestly be the most logical answer. That the human/eldar form is the most perfect form that tree monkeys can attain.

>>54090748
40k is just medieval fantasy in space, the Eldar are just space elves

>>54090715

Bullshit. If that was the reason fire warriors would be BS5+ for being basic troopers with a racial penalty.

The reason veteran Tau don't have veteran BS is because Markerlights used to trivially boost BS and the rules team were too stupid to catch on that weakening markerlights makes the veterans look like clumsy oafs.

>>54090748
Star Trek syndrome - everyone is human in funny wig

>>54090756
3d6 S6 AP2 3 damage is a pretty good flamer

>>54090630
So Space Wolves or Blood Angels?

>>54090730
I'm thinking maybe an Ironbreaker head. Maybe sculpt a tricorn hat, but that might be going too far.

>>54090774
That's crazy. You're crazy anon.

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>>54090780

Which 40k army would Vegeta play?

>>54090548
>Codex
>I2
>game of gothic on the board
wut?

>>54090757
Seems like it would be pretty easy to explain it away with old ones fuckery.

>>54090777
Fire Warriors are trained from a very young age like Scions and Space Marines, so they would normally have a BS 3+.

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>>54090756
*field 4 Xv109*
*teleport around you*

Nothin personel, kid

>>54090748
Old ones.
It's why were bipedal and nids are 6 legged

>>54090129
Only half this is true.

Nid players are attention whores but "my mary sue chapter dont like the way your mary sue chapter go about being mary sues, let's battle!" is not a compelling narrative.

>>54090801
it doesn't really need explaining, though

just like we don't need to know how the tau evolved their retarded face holes

>>54090717
2 7 p o i n t m o r t a r s q u a d s
1 0 8 p o i n t b a s i l i s k s
1 5 0 p o i n t 5 0 m a n c o n s c r i p t b l o b s

>>54090748
Better question - what did the Necrontyr look like?

And will they ever achieve flesh bodies again? Or even energy forms?

>>54090804

Okay, then explain why the progression up the ranks goes

La: 4+
Ui: 4+
Vre: 4+
O: 2+

It's because balancing against markerlights.

>>54090824
What's the point of a huge universe with a ton of lore if they aren't autistically concerned with details.

>>54090832

>What did the Necrontyr look like?

A Necron with skin.

>>54090841
Space Marine: 3+
Space Marine Sergeant: 3+
Space Marine Veteran: 3+
Space Marine Captain: 2+ (can't be 1+ because nothing goes that low)

>>54090748
Old ones created eldar from human genes. This is also why hybrids may or may not be possible if old fluff is to be believed.

>>54090750
Is this efficient ?

>>54090832
>will they ever achieve flesh bodies again?
No
they'll blow up the setting before they can, and then they'll be squatted in the new spin-off setting.

>sorry for the sloppy structure, just trying to throw together some raptors/RG
>any replies would be nice, thanks
2000/2000 7 CP

*Raptors* batallion
HQ_Lias Issodom-195

HQ_Parimaris Lieutenant-74
-rifle

TR_(10x)tac marines-143
-plas

TR_(10x)tac marines-143
-plas

TR_(10x)tac marines-143
-plas

TR_(10x)scouts-145
10 sniper, 5 camo

HV_5x devestators- 170
-2 las, 2 missle, cherub

HV_5x devestators- 170
-2 las, 2 missle, cherub


*Raven Guard* outrider
Shrike-150

FA_(5x)assault marines w/ jump-80

FA_(5x)assault marines w/ jump-80

FA_(5x)assault marines w/ jump-80

EL_(5x)vanguard vets w/ jump-155
-5 dual claws

EL_Culexus-85

FL_stormhawk- 167
-assault, icarus, typhoon

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>>54090856

>>54090866
unfortunately, yes
2 comanders have about as many weapons as 3 normal suits, and cost about as much, but hit better and have more durability and are characters.

>>54090832

So if the reason Warriors are lobotomised is because they have the mass produced bodies, whilst Immortals are emotionally numb and not great at skills outside their job because okayish bodies and Lychguard and upward have master-crafted bodies that retain most of their personality...

Why the fuck are all their bodies skelemans?

What is the best way to kill Cawl in a 500 point game? Playing Guard/Heretics and he just takes tank shells to the face like nothing.

Comments on my freddy list?

Primaris Lieutenant - MC auto-bolt rifle (74)
Relic Leviathan dreadnought - 2x Grav-flux bombard (275)
Relic Leviathan dreadnought - 2x Grav-flux bombard (275)
Mortis dreadnought - 2x Twin autocannon (141)
Mortis dreadnought - 2x Twin autocannon (141)

Captain - Chainsword, Relic blade (95)
Contemptor dreadnought - Keheres assault cannon, Storm bolter, Dreadnought CW (165)
Contemptor dreadnought - Keheres assault cannon, Storm bolter, Dreadnought CW (165)
Contemptor dreadnought - Keheres assault cannon, Storm bolter, Dreadnought CW (165)

>>54090866
Yup
Tau Commanders are probably the best model in all of 40k. For the cost of 3 crisis suits you can bring 2 commanders and do way more damage every turn, as well as have more wounds and the ability to hide behind models.

Just bring a bunch of gun, marker, and shield drones and you're set

do you guys have a recommendation for a case? Can't rely on shoeboxes and bubblewrap anymore. One of my bloat drones guns got horribly bent and I had to redo it. Sad.

>>54090891
Who the fuck brings Cawl to a 500pt game? That's like half of the point limit gone just like that.

>>54090862

Yes, exactly. Marines have a clear progression, Tau don't.

>>54090884
>>54090895
You guys are aware the nerfbat is coming for them, right?

"A Fallen Champion may replace his boltgun and/or bolt pistol with one item from the Champion Equipment list"

I'm pretty sure this is trying to say that each of these two items can independently be swapped for Champion Equipment, such that if you swap both, you get two pieces of equipment. However, the wording would seem to indicate that you're choosing between replacing one of those items or both of them with "one item from the Champion Equipment list". IE if you choose to replace both, you still only get one champ equipment. Why is GW bad at rules-writing.

>>54090867
What does the Mortal Realms 40k setting even look like?

>>54090900
He brought Cawl, a Dominus and minimun squad of rangers.
Versus my mostly infantry and one tank.

>>54090882

Yeah like that but the skin has been properly tailored.

>>54090902
What in the fuck are you talking about, it's exactly the same pattern as the Tau without the racial -1 to BS

>>54090905
I hope so, and perhaps a tiny buff to the regular Crisis. As a Tau player, I don't want to feel like I'm shooting myself in the foot when I take crisis suits instead of Commanders.

>>54090917
Holy kek what a faggot.

>>54090905
I sure hope so.

>>54090891
conscripts

>>54090897
Just had a thread on this the other day. Unfortunately everyone bitched at one another over Battlefoam instead of talking about various products and their value (welcome to 4chan), but Euros like Felderr, GW is okay, and lots of people just use toolboxes or otherwise make their own.

>>54090929
I feel you

>>54090832
Well if Kreig troop are test tube babies and they have a "soul" and the Primies were grown as well I don't see very much in the way of them getting what they want that way.
They just need to find a body they think fits them just right...

>head cannon is now that Necrons are just Shoe(body) shopping the galaxy for the perfect pair...

>>54090926

Then the Commander would have a 3+ you categorical retard.

>>54090902
It was just pointed out that SM do the same thing, where there's no BS increase until the final rank, same as with T'au.

>>54090934
>>54090936
i have a half build knight crusader, but that's too many points, isn't it?

>>54090897
Email felldherr your army list and they'll get you something perfect. they are the best by a loooong shot.l

>>54090908
the british don't use the word each a lot, get over it

>>54090936

Conscripts to tarpit him for the whole game

If you want to actually kill him, 3 HWS with lascannons

>>54090891
I dunno how much they are but Punisher Russ? Malcador Infernus?

>>54090916
CAD and anime paintings made in photoshop.

>>54090917
> powergaming that hard at 500 points
How pathetic.

>>54090952
Space Marine Captain's would be 1+ but it doesn't go that low

Instead they re-roll 1's so they have a 2+ re-rollable while the Shas'O's have a flat 2+, That's the difference.

>>54090953

Reminder that scouts used to have a more fluff friendly BS3 (would be 4+ now) for a while.

>>54090957
So my initial reading, that this can let you get two Champ Equip. was correct? Doing some list-building and it's relevant.

>>54090908
I think the HQ generally assumes that the players are reasonably intelligent and well adjusted people, they're wrong of course. Maybe the rules writers need to go on some kind of autism sensitivity training

>>54090974
why would you ever trade them both otherwise?

>>54090954
Cawl's own Meltagun will make short work of that. You need to take him out from afar.

>>54090886
The more important necrontyr got better gear.
Put it this way; if the UN decided to give everyone a computer, do you think they'd give starving, uneducated people in 3rd world ghettos the same computer, which they'll probably waste, as politicians, doctors etc? Or will they give the people who will make use of it a far better and more expensive one while savig money by giving the rest something cheap and disposable?

>>54090972
>more fluff friendly BS3

Not really. Space Marine scouts still have more field experience than IG Veterans and probably more years of field duty than Tau average lifespam.

Hey /tg/, i got a question

Say I want to add a some renegade units to my CSM or Chaos daemons, do I have to get another detachement or can I just slip in some basilisks without making a new renegade detachment.

Also; How does this work with assassins ? How the fuck do they make up a detachment without HQ slots.

>>54090957
Vetock is American and he's pretty much the main rule writer.

>>54090908
No, it means you can replace boltgun and bolt pistol. It can also mean replace boltgun OR bolt pistol.

This is so you can replace your Bolter with a Melee weapon and replace your Bolt Pistol with a melee weapon. Or replace Bolt Pistol with a melee weapon or just bolter. How is this difficult?

Every time somebody goes

>HUR DUR GW IS DUMBING DOWN RULES ECKS DEE

I point to examples like this as to why they do it. If adults can't work it out, how is little Timmy suppose to?

>>54090993
WYSIWYG, there's only so much stuff you can physically cram on the model

>>54090974
that is how most normal humans would read it. I'd recommend refusing to play anyone who argues otherwise

>>54091006
>there's not room to glue a boltgun to the backpack

Ok

>>54091005
and his editor and paycheck is from where?

>>54090993
I don't know, there's objectively worse options on other units, or other weirdnesses that don't make sense.

>>54090905
If they nerf Commanders then they MUST buff crisis suits

The only thing keeping Tau relevant is their ability to deep strike and blow something up

>>54090723
Me too.

>>54090999
> Hit post early because I'm a retard
They'll all look pretty similar so the peasants won't know they're getting screwed right away. I imagine there was some pretense so the necrontyr peasants would line up thinking they're getting something less fancy but just as functional.

>>54091027
And here's the
>Tau would be underpowered without Riptide Wing
of 8e

>>54090886
The mind must be able to cope with a familiar body or it will reject it outright. That is why their Flyers have pilots such.

The thing you must wrap your head around is they necrons are not Machines but Living Metal. No 01010101 computer but a working brain. The warriors are simpletons but still need a familiar framework to function properly... now the Flayed Ones are a curse that forces them to take a closer step to that familiar state with flesh.

>>54091002

The majority of marine scouts are on their first tour of duty, though it'll last about a decade before they get shuffled up to Devastator. You don't get many career scouts.

It isn't really reasonable to expect them to have the same level of training as a schola progenium graduate the same age who didn't need to spend half their training time getting surgically roided up.

Astartes are superhuman, but the skill stats measure, unsurprisingly, skill.

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>>54090485
I love reading tyranid head canon. Mine is they are a race that emerged in a galaxy where psykers or warp shit wreaked havoc on planets so a hive mind eventually emerged through evolution to adapt to the harsh psychic environment. To fuel their spread, they required lots of biomass and completely ate away the planet. To continue feasting, they needed to travel to other planets and star systems and developed their hive ships from using genetic material of intelligent species. To facilitate efficient travel of their species and biomass, they break themselves down only to respawn using the newly collected material to enhance and adapt their spawn. Completely desolating galaxy after galaxy they spread and splinter off until they finally show up. The single greatest motivator of any species is to thrive and to survive and that means consuming everything.

>>54091069
schola progenium graduates are bs3+, see commissars, sisters and stormtroopers

>>54090999

No I was asking why they're all Skeletors if they built the bodies rather than just stepping into a magic fleshmetal machine that converted their bodies to necrodermis.

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>>54091040
Oh boy. You never read the fluff of Ghost Arks, haven't you?

>Back in the earliest days of Necrontyr civilization, Ghost Arks took the form of wooden carriages, drawn by beasts of burden, to take away the dead to their final resting place. By the time of biotransference, the Ghost Arks had evolved into motorized vehicles. They were pressed into service no longer to round up the dead, but the living, to drag them to the great machines that would transform the mortal Necrontyr into the mechanical Necrons. The first wave of Ghost Arks were piloted by the grim-faced soldiers, but soon, they were replaced by the first of the Necrons.[2]

>While the nobility of the Necrontyr society had willingly pledged themselves to the C'tan, the civilians of their society were not so willing to abandon their mortal lives. They resisted biotransference, and so the nobles sent agents to force the unwilling into the Ghost Arks to be carried away: all that was needed was a flicker of life and memory, and so they assaulted the unwilling before throwing their broken, barely-living bodies onto the wagons to be converted. Tales of these beatings spread fear throughout the civilian populace of the Necrontyr, and the Ghost Arks' reputation grew ever darker. Those who saw the Ghost Arks traveling through the streets claimed to see the victims' spirits flying thickly around the wagons, filling the air with their mournful voices. The mere sight of a Ghost Ark eventually became enough to drive those who could still feel emotion into terror.[2]

>>54090908
Your assumption is right, stop there and don't try to dissect the meanings of individual words. You hit oil, stop digging.

>>54091069
they also go through a load of subliminal training which most normal humans don't

(I mean maybe schola progenium grads do but I don't remember it being stated that they do)

>>54091044
They would have been garbage tier without riptide wing, that's just a fact

We all saw what the game turned into at the end of 7th. How would tau deal with that meta if they didnt have Riptide Wing?

8th Commanders are not even close to as powerful as the 7th Riptide, and 3 of them don't come close to the Riptide Wing

>>54089329
Ahriman's 'Character Arc' is the most heinous rewrite I've ever known, and the fact Yvraine could cuck him so hard is just an extra kick.

I miss the old Ahriman.

>>54091083

That's what I'm saying: A Schola Progenium graduate will have spent their entire childhood in training, whereas half an Astartes's prep time is spent on their augs.

A 20 year old Astartes getting his first scout duty assignments won't have the same level of raw skill as a 20 year old freshly graduated Commisar.

>>54091089
Soooo Necron's are Tories?

>>54091113
>being this delusional

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>>54091069

>>54091089
What edition is that fluff?

Because it seems like it's awesome and therefore probably outdated.

>>54091119
>A graduate from a specialized officer training program is going to have more skill than a standard recruit
Gee

>>54091069
>>54091119

>Most Devastator Squads are composed of Space Marines who have recently been promoted from Scout Squads. Though veterans of dozens, even hundreds, of campaigns, service in a Devastator Squad will be their first experience in power armour as part of the main Space Marine army
>veterans of dozens, even hundreds, of campaigns

Scouts are veterans on average of dozens of campaigns. You can get the scout that has just got his implants as well as the scout that has an hundred of campaign under his belt. On average they have more battlefield experience of the average lifespan of normal humans.

>>54091148
I remember seeing it in the 5e codex. Don't know about after.

>>54091119
well at least with commissars, half their time is going to spent on leadership/motivational abilities rather than straight combat

>>54091148
>>54091172

Why would it have changed? This is 7th.

Ghost Arks are tasked with trawling for remnants of Necrons unable to self-repair.
Recovered components are set upon by swarms of constructor scarabs that return the fallen
Necrons to full function. Repaired warriors are then locked in stasis until the Ghost Ark is at
capacity, at which point it will either return its cargo to their tomb world or else deploy them
directly into battle. Ghost Arks are often used as conventional transports that ferry
reinforcements into battle – however, they truly come into their own once their grim cargo
has disembarked. Drifting behind the ranks of Necrons, the Arks flicker with emerald
energies as they repair one fallen foot soldier after another. The enemy can only watch with
dawning horror as their best efforts to slay the Necrons are undone.

>>54091178
This. Commissars auto-hit when it really matters.

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So this is 481 points...

537 if you take another 4 Twin Big Shootas. Dishing out roughly 18 48" S7 AP -2, and 30 S5 shots a turn.

Its shit, and regular Squiggoth is just a shit...where the fuck are my snakebite drug upgrades.

>>54091148
It's from Ward codex. 5th edition. Did you actually believed the memes? Even if there are some shit parts the 5th edition codex has more good things than the totality of 3rd edition codex.

>>54091161

Yeah because after they get into scout duty they go straight from Warzone to Warzone for about a decade before they're allowed to pick up a lascannon.

It makes perfect sense for a Devastator to be BS3+, having a scout just automatically be there is more of a stretch. I'd strongly expect the majority of scouts to not make it to full battle brother alive.

>>54091084
Because Necrontyr always looked like skellies, the answer is pretty obvious.

>>54091201
as much shit as those codices tend to get there's always one or two things that I like, like the BA/Necron alliance

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>>54091199
For reference, 195 standard Squig without gun

>>54091089
That's fucking awesome. I'm getting a ghost ark, and I don't even collect crons

>>54091161

Most marines don't even make it to 100, your average scout is still in the same ballpark as a scion (who go through nearly the same training as scouts, they just aren't given nearly the same amount of enhancements)

>>54091113
Ape. You can fuck up everybody with a mix of Firewarriors and Broadsides in 7e, or use buffmander,

>>54091002
>>54090972
reminder that Sisters of Battle have BS3+ (BS4)

>>54091225
By your reasoning guards should be Bs 5+ because you can get the recruit that is barely out of combat training.

>>54091251
Yeah, and they both have BS 3+, that's exactly what I'm saying.

>>54091267

Sounds fine to me t b h. I was just disputing that a scout would be around 100 when they finish and get promoted to devastator, as most tacticals aren't even that old and die before getting their studs

>>54091262
And? They're all Schola trained. If Scions have BS4, then why shouldn't SoB?

>>54091233
why the fuck does stampede trigger on a roll of 2?

>>54091225

I don't think Scouts die very often, or at all really: There's no scout dreadnought pattern which shows their duties aren't really expected to involve serious injury.

>>54091279

Why wouldn't they? The Tempestus codex goes into detail about the training done at the Schola and it's essentially the same shit marine recruits have to do before they become scouts

>>54091199
>>54091233
Im still making them and you cant stop me dad

>>54091282
It's probably supposed to be a 2+

>>54091301

What? Scouts are the most expendable type of marine there is, they wouldn't ever get dreadnoughts because they aren't worth putting in them

>>54090811
>teleports 9" away from you*
Nothin per-
>8" on Flamers

>>54091372
That would be BT Neophytes. But yeah, out of the "regular" units, they are.

>>54091301

Part of me wants to slap you upside the head for thinking the Mechanicus would waste a precious dread chassis on a scout, but the other part of me would actually fuckin' love to see cheap little Killa Kan style scout dreads.

>>54091282
>FW
>Proof reading

>>54091376
>What are homing beacons

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>>54091140
Ultramarines really get all the best characters. I would kill for a generic chapter sgt chronus. I was midway into making an armored space marine detachment with a predator tank commander when 8th killed it as an option.

>>54091282
Nearly every entry in the IA Xenos book has some kind of error in it.

>>54091390
Now I want to see sniper Dreads.

OH SHIT, a fucking shotgun dread, GIMME NOW.

Wearing camo cloaks.

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How good are Rough Riders for Guard? I'm on the edge between running my heretics on teh forge world list or the proper guard, leaning towards guard because I want cavalry. Do Bretonnian knights work as RR?

>>54091397
>xv109 has no deepstrike ability
Whoa there kiddo

>>54091420

Basically a mini penitent engine but with actual cockpit armour.

A relatively disposable little mech that requires a hardy Astartes body with the arms and legs cut off to pilot it.

And yeah, huge shotgun arm and power fist. S/T5.

>>54091431
rough riders are dog shit in melee, the flanking rules and 2W have made them substantially better at being a fast special weapon platform and objective capper though

>>54091420
>>shotgun dreads
So a furioso with a frag cannon.

>>54091420
>sniper Dreads.
psyflenauts were a thing, you know.

>>54091443

>REJOICE BROTHER, YOU HAVE EARNED YOUR BLACK CARAPACE

>Brother-Chaplain, is that you? I... I can't feel my limbs

>AFTER ALL YOU WILL NEED THE CARAPACE TO INFERFACE WITH YOUR NEW BODY

W... What?

>EVEN IN DEATH YOU SHALL SERVE, PRAISE THE EMPEROR

why the shit are there rules for all the arkurian pattern baneblades //except the shadowsword// what the nigger FW. what. the. Nigger.

>>54091431

Brets don't have any guns, their lances don't have explosive tips, and they no longer have an option to upgrade to carapace armor so their armor is pretty out of touch

So, not really

>>54090832
Kinda like human proportioned greys.

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Does anyone know what I should be looking for if I want to find the rulebooks for the first version of Battlefleet Gothic, whatever that was called? It was the one with the weird spaceship designs from GW's even older space battle game.

>>54091483

Okay I'm really digging this idea for some less ethical chapter that has little regard for the dignity of their casualties/sanctity of life.

Load up their less honoured dead, particularly the scouts, in cheap suicide dreads patterned after small penitent engines and have them charge in as vanguard shock troops.

>>54090863
I mean it's definitely a "may" be possible if you use the old fluff, there's a fucking half-eldar space marine Librarian.

>>54091562

Sounds like the Ministorum is the army for you then

That's basically their thing

>>54091562

Sounds like something the marines malevolent would do.

Speaking of which, do you think Gulliman woulda barred the marines malevolent from having primaris?

>>54090085
>talks about fem marines
>Posts typical blood angel

>>54091509
It's called Space Fleet. I still have a copy. There is a ship with giant claw arms and a "mouth" with a huge drill bit covered in boarding tubes that is basically rad as a fuck, it also had cooler looking Eldar ships but half the time people modeled them to fly backwards as it wasn't 100% clear which way the front was.

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What the heck is gw's logic behind arbitrary restrictions on deathwatch characters? No terminator armor for this, no bikes for that, no power fists only for chaplains, no apothecaries or techmarines despite their existence in fluff background. There's even weird restrictions on dreadnought guns, like no autocannons.... like, why? It doesn't even make sense from a selling models perspective.

>>54091201

>implying you read the 3ed codex

>>54091251
You seem to be forgetting the enhanced senses that the Marines would have not to mention the advanced systems in the power armor itself. That would probably be enough to put them about a normal human I think.

>>54090494
Yeah but your headcannon probably isn't.

>>54090101
Dare I ask what it is?

>>54091584
They're not Exocommunicate Traitoris, so sure, they can have Primaris -

Keeping in mind that it's not just the chapters getting "vat-grown" marines, but the technology itself - which includes upgrading marines they already have. Seems like something the Marines Malevelont would go all in on.

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Do any of you gents got a pdf of the latest white dwarf? My /tg/ mates gave me some the Eldar half from Death Masque cause they just wanted the Death Watch. A few weeks ago they told me about the latest edition of the rules being newbie friendly.

>>54090715
Their eyes shift focus slower than a human, so they have trouble seeing fast moving objects. Was really represented by their I2.

>>54091584
>>54091698
Say it with me anons.

Chadmarines Malevolent.

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>Dont want to buy squiggoths and a gargantuan squiggoth
>want to custom design my own with different poses and crushing shit
>Looking into resin 3d printers
>watisthatcost.jpeg
>no other options except the local dinosaur toy store

>>54090799
They're obviously playing each boarding action out as 40k in order to forge the narrative.

>>54091301
Thats because Dread chassis are rare, precious things reserved for honored individuals. Scouts dont get dreads, probably just a fatal dose of painkillers from the apothecary.

>>54091769
You could try sculpting it?

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anyone played against conscript spam yet? is it real or just a meme?

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>>54090780
>human in funny wig
That's not how that works.

>>54091685
What?

>>54091689
Sure. http://imgur.com/a/By9pH

Knock yourself out.

>>54091788
>Scouts dont get dreads, probably just a fatal dose of painkillers from the apothecary.

Otherwise known as a bolt pisol round in the brain. Not even kidding.

>>54091793
im not sure sculpting models that enormous would be a good idea

>>54091769
AoS Seraphons (formerly known as Lizardmen) might have what you need.
Kuro2lewd

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>>54091788

Why would I waste valuable painkillers on a cripple we could simply devour as rations?

>>54091788
Scouts who don't make it usually become Chapter serfs (basically stuck in logistic roles) or Servitors.

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>>54090780
Google Convergent Evolution.

>>54091769
Lizardmen/Seraphon have options but the biggest thing is this beauty and it's expensive.

>>54091698

On ethical grounds.

Gulliman seems the type to get prissy about marines malevolent tactics.

>>54091769
>tfw got a FW Squig for £17 on ebay.

>>54091659
If we exclude the spooky moments from some other race perspective (which admittedly make great atmosphere but at the same times tell basically nothing about necrons except that they are spooky as hell) the 3rd edition codex has less than 10 pages of lore, half of which are dedicated to the c'tan.

There isn't much to read about the necron in the 3rd editon necron codex.

>>54091432
>Can't read a datasheet completely.
Wew there laddie.

>>54091769
Maybe steal somebody's pet lizard, and replace its insides with cottonwool so it won't start smelling ?

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>>54091788
It's called the emperor's peace, and it's given via a stiletto in the reductor or just piston drilling into the progenoid area, smashing all the vital organs in the process.

Can someone please post the link to the mega with novels?

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>>54091831
>>54091816
How big are we talking here, ive seen some of those models used as "Feral Warbuggies"

>>54091809
Emperor's Peace they call it.

>>54091836
The technology is being distributed by the Adeptus Mechanicus to reinforce marines scattered across an Imperium split by the Eye of Terror becoming a scar across the galaxy. He's not personally overseeing the delivery of every primaris marine and AdMech rite dissemination.

Chaos Sorcerers can replace their Bolt Pistol with a Melee weapon, if they want. However, they'll always have a Force weapon in their other hand. Is there a reason why you would want to swap your Pistol for one of the Melee options except maybe the Power Fist? Even then, I'm not sure if that'd be better than a force weapon+plasma pistol.

>>54091821
This is the actual canon for what happens to scouts that get injured.

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>>54091808
>being shocked
she'd just pull the trigger and kill them all.

>>54091769
Well, I would recommend toy store dinos + greenstuff, really. In terms of 3rd party? There is no. So get a triceratops and add shit.

>>54091860
Dread Saurian is big enough that a Empire Soldier can fit in it's mouth.

>>54091885
You could take a melee weapon that provides a bonus attack like a Chainsword.

How stupid would it be to use Gulliman's stats for a dread army warlord conversion?

In raw statline he's basically a dread with 1 lower toughness anyhow.

>>54091663

So like I said, their training is nearly identical but the marines get much better enhancements

Gear is a bit of a wash, scion vs scout is probably nearly identical while sisters are better equipped than either

>>54091910
you'd better use a fancy as fuck dread

>>54091910
Even your average warlord dreadnought is not as inspiring to the entire Imperium as Gorillaman, and most certainly not swinging around the Emperor's sword.

>>54091904
Ahh, I hadn't considered that. Chainsword is the only one on that list which has that effect though, and it specifies the attack must be with that weapon. At which point the Sorcerer is using the hand to get a single S4/AP0, which is exactly what it'd get with a Bolt Pistol at an identical cost, but a better range. Or am I missing something?

>>54091910
that's actually a pretty good idea...

>>54091885
No, not really.

You're already paying near power fist points for that force axe and it's sorta almost as good so what's the point?

>>54091851
Not him but with that ability you set up the suit in the sky, not in a Manta, so the homing beacon doesn't work.

>>54091910
Thats what will happen to Girlyman anyway after he meets my warlord.

>>54091933

Eh the emperor's sword isn't all that more amazing than what other big fellas have anymore: He has a standard dread-like S12 power fist in one hand, and the sword gives up 4 strength for 1 more rend and scoring mortal wounds on a 6 to wound.

It's cool, but not necessarily anything a dreadnought sized power sword couldn't do.

>>54091962
Okay, that's what I thought. Thanks!

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>>54091967
Homing beacons don't work with the xv109, but you don't need them. It's "deepstrike/redeploy" ability puts it on the battlefield at the "beginning of your next movement phase", meaning it can still move after redeploying. You can deep strike it, move to just over 1 inch, and then shoot/charge to your heart's content.