Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

SHADOW WAR IS DEEEAD

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>Orks are a melee race!
>...

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second for arresting abbadon and stuffing him in a van

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Hugs for everyone!

++ Vanguard Detachment (Imperium - Inquisition) [10 PL, 140pts] ++

+ Elites +

Acolytes [5 PL, 70pts]
Acolyte: Needle Pistol, Power maul
Acolyte: Needle Pistol, Power maul
Acolyte: Needle Pistol, Power maul
Acolyte: Needle Pistol, Power maul
Acolyte: Needle Pistol, Power maul

Acolytes [5 PL, 70pts]
Acolyte: Needle Pistol, Power maul
Acolyte: Needle Pistol, Power maul
Acolyte: Needle Pistol, Power maul
Acolyte: Needle Pistol, Power maul
Acolyte: Needle Pistol, Power maul

++ Vanguard Detachment (Imperium - Astra Militarum) [10 PL, 162pts] ++

+ Flyer +

Valkyries [10 PL, 162pts]
Valkyrie: 2x Multiple Rocket Pods, Multi-laser

++ Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Adeptus Ministorum) [37 PL, 694pts] ++

+ HQ +

Celestine [14 PL, 250pts]: Celestine, 2x Geminae Superia

+ Elites +

Arco-Flagellants [4 PL, 75pts]: 5x Arco Flagellant

Death Cult Assassins [3 PL, 85pts]: 5x Death Cult Assassins

Ministorum Priest [3 PL, 39pts]: Bolt pistol, Power maul

Ministorum Priest [3 PL, 39pts]: Bolt pistol, Power maul

+ Dedicated Transport +

Immolator [5 PL, 103pts]: Immolation Flamer

Immolator [5 PL, 103pts]: Immolation Flamer

Who's your least favorite Guard Anon? Mines all of then.

>>54087443
>arresting abbadon
>abbaddon is armless thus immune to handcuffs

Checkmate Arbites

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Mk7 > Mk4.

>>54087450
Mines any who actually like those hideous fucking cadian models

>>54087440
>M5"

>>54087465
I chuckled when i read Cadia cut Abbaddon hands in Gathering Storm.

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Nth for this isn't bait, it's cute.

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WIP at the moment.

Thoughts?

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>>54087517
>mfw nobody translated the 40k doujinshi

and no, it wasn't hentai.

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>>54087440
>Tau are a shooty race!
>BS: +4

THREADLY REMINDER THAT MANLET MARINES WILL BE OFFICIALLY SQUATTED BY 9TH

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>>54087529
A-anon? You didn't make this right? ANON?

>>54087529
Is that a Bolt Rifle with a scope attached? Looks dope.

>>54087534
I need this. This is something I need.

What if flamers had this rule:

This weapon automatically hits.If you target a unit with more than 10 models this weapon is Assault 6 instead of Assault D6.

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>>54087558
I'll post what I have. Unless you meant Japanese Hentai Doujins. Then, well, just find R34 or commission one.

>>54087529
Grade-A bait.

>>54087529
Looks decent
kill yourself furfag

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>>54087578
If I remember, they released some unique models in Japan. I think they're trying to increase sales there.

Repostan from previous thread.
Currently making my very first babby's first 40k army, namely some fluffy combined arms T'au. No commander spam bullshit or mecha bigger than my crisis suit team. Can anyone recommend the sort of magnets you should use if you want to be able to change weapons on models (for instance, changing burst cannons to fusion blasters or vice versa on stealth suits, or the many combinations of loadout possible on crisis suits, or even just changing strike teams to breacher teams by changing to pulse blasters) and any general tips on using them?

"2+/4++" implies that the piece of equipment lets you take both the 2+ armour save and the 4++ other save, instead of getting to only take the better one?

>>54087595
If they wanna boost sales, just release large Sisters of Battle models that have changeable outfits.

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>>54087595
Can't remember if this is the right one. But it'll do for my point.

>>54087606
You have both, but you can only use one save.

Up to you to choose which.

>>54087595
This is amazing for the reactions alone.

>>54087606
2+ is the save
"4++" refers to the Invulnerable save

You only get to make 1 save roll, but you can choose which one to use

Other abilities that let you ignore wounds are often called a "save" by players but they are not actually a save, so you can take any number of those.

>>54087622
Cassius has tyranid ptsd?

Hmm is there any instance where something does 1 damage but does something like -4 to AP?

I ask because the 'All is dust' rule adds +1 to your saving throws. Would this then give them 4+ invuln against 1 damage weapons?

>>54087595
And they shall know no fe-

>>54087650
That or he's REALLY into role playing.

>>54087450
People barely talk about Guard. The only people who post are like 5 anons who play and post pictures of their games. People only talk about Marines and occasionally Eldar and Ad Mech. The fuck are you on about.

>>54087655
crisis suit plasma rifles are Ap3 1 damage I think? and they can take ATS to make it ap4

If it doesnt specify it modifies the invuln save then it does not modify the invuln save

>>54087655
>Would this then give them 4+ invuln against 1 damage weapons?
Yes.

>>54087529
Why does he have a bunch of ribbons on his helmet? I mean, I see the ears, but ??

>>54087715
It's MLP

I have this thing about smelling people before i decide to game against them. Any non sealant ways of doing it without making it look like I'm being a creep?

>>54087690
All is dust gives +1 to your saving throw.

Invulnerable rules just mean it cannot be reduced by AP.

So it can be buffed from how I read it.

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>>54087650
>>54087659
The guy has done several, but I have no idea where to get them for free.

That one is called Death Struc Force. Artist name is R-Worcus.

This is his second one.

>>54087728
Ah, OK then. Just curious.

>>54087735
That's pretty creepy in general.

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>>54087450
If my retarded sentinels do not bring you joy then I am sorry anon.

>>54087735
Suicide I hear is pretty good.

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He also did this one. Again, I have no idea how to get hold of it. The name in Moon is.

C87冬コミ/ウォーハンマー40k個人誌2

>>54087746
No

Invulnerable save is different from a regular save. It cant be reduced by AP.

You can choose which save to make.

Read the rules

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And this one is C92夏コミサークル参加申し込みしました!

>>54087773
That depends on your definition of 'Saving throw'.

Because all is dust buffs that. Is an invulnerable save a saving throw?

>>54087772
>asaruto sutoraiku fosu

my sides

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>>54087772
>this is a page from the book

Wew.

>>54087792
The rules define a saving throw and an invulnerable throw

Read the rules you twat

>>54087755
Are they drunk?

>>54087792
Yes, all is Dust should effect Invul saves because it doesn't specify that it only effects Armor saves. Just Saves in general.

>>54087655

Man 20 man blobs of T Sons seem like a good walking foot force

>>54087790
Wait what? C92 is this August.
Do the moon runes speak of "preview"?

>>54087537
Just like Marines/Chaos Marines/Daemons/Eldar/anyone else with access to invisibility psychic power would

>>54087755
WHY

>>54087811
There is no such thing as an "Armor Save", there is only a "Save" and "Invulnerable Save"

Stop making shit up and read the rules

>>54087878
N E W

>>54087825
They are. Reserve some points for surprise flamers and grab a sorcerer, and you can slowwalk across the board and dakka everything into flaming gibs.

>>54087748
>>54087772
>>54087790
>>54087803
GW japan need to hire this guy for advert department.

>>54087897
What's good for armor in this edition?

Is armor shit this editioN?

>>54087755
This cant be legit...

>>54087529
RAINBOW DASHSTARTES!!!

How are you so cool anon?
>kysses

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>>54087831
Think it's just the preview from his site telling buyers he's got another 40k doujin at C92. A preview page.

>>54087915
Slot in some r&h and get guard tanks. Vindicators are gud. Laspreds are very handy. YMMV with land raiders, but if you want a metal box for your scarabs it's what you will be taking.

>>54087878
Hilariously angry wrong. HA

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>>54087831
I finally understood these numbers on doujinshi.

>>54087915
Armour is shit because according to /tg/ the answer to everything is conscript spam
>nobody does conscript spam
>MUHMATHHAMMER!

>>54087898
Well, seeing as he draws loli's... I dunno man. Plus he's obviously a neckbeard. He plays D&D, AoS, Steamcity and a few other things. Or at least is interested enough on them... I doubt they'll isk it, sadly. They'll just get tumblr to do it for them. Oh and DA.

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I think I have a problem

>>54087450
Anyone who says the Leman Russ actually looks good.

>>54087985
Only problem is how small those all are compared to the new dread

>>54087964
Took me awhile too to realise it mean Comiket No.X back in the day. We need a based Nip and or based Nip based person to go buy them all and translate them and upload them.

>>54087985
Having this much money to casually toss on toys is the opposite of a problem. Go get 'em.

>>54087995

>He thinks the Telamon doesn't dwarf the Redemptor

Huh, AP is a modifier on the save roll, so, for example, Prince Yriel's cursed ability that requires him to re-roll saves of 6 means that it doesn't work vs weapons with an AP value

>>54087995
Telamon is bigger than the new Dread.

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>>54088018
Still smaller than knight.

>>54087529
Well, at least it's based on the best one.

Buy and field a 3rd Basilisk Y/N?

>>54088059
Can a knight fit in a building? Checkmate, atheist.

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Custodes Dreads look sick, I might have to run a detachment of them in my Dread army.

>>54088090
>not buying Earthshaker emplacements

Wewwwwwwww ladddy boy!

>>54088097
>Custodes Dreads
>40k Rules

WEW LADDY BOY THE PIPES THE PIPES ARE CALLING

>>54088059

A leviathan can wreck a knight easy, Telemon will probably juggle them if it ever gets 8th rules.

>>54088104
Different anon, I don't understand the difference between an Earthshaker battery and an Earthshaker carriage battery.
I thought both were stationary cannons?

>>54088128
Towed artillery vs fixed artillery.

Does Ghazghkull benefit from his own Great Waaagh! ?

If he does then he gets to advance and charge and gains +1 attack correct?

The new Leviathan Dreadnought staline looks insanely good to me. I have only one problem though: Where do they fit in to a chapter's organization? For example, would they be part of a normal company or would they be a special unit? Would, say, Blood Angels have Death Company Leviathan Dreadnoughts? Or Dark Angels Deathwing Leviathan Dreadnoughts? How exactly does this work?

Does anyone have the Squiggoth rules / stats from Forgeworld (regular squig not giant).

>>54088152
Not in the rules. They're exactly the same except a carriage battery has 4 guardsmen and a debuff where they can be killed and the gun doesn't fire. The platform/battery can just fire on it's own, no need for crew or shit.

>>54088128
I don't either. It's a mistake imo.

>>54087972
Japan is progressive free country, they dont have any objection to lolis.

>>54088152
Aren't Earthshakers like 72" range? Why would I ever want to tow that?

>>54088104
Cmon man, let us pretend that FW is actually competent and will make nonbroken 8th rules for 30k cuckstodes.
i just want my glorious bananamen

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>>54088178
"They don't have an objection" kinda sounds like "they have an obsession"

>>54088183
240"

>>54088164

A chapter will generally have roughly 2 boxy dreads assigned to each company, and may have spares if the chapter is particularly old or well equipped.

Contemptors are going to be rarer, leviathans and Deredeos are kinda a your chapter is damn lucky to have even one deal. Relics like that are gonna fall outside day to day operations.

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>tfw your army triggers people

Has Chaos every fought Necrons/Bugs in fluff?

>>54088183
FORGE THE NARRATIVE

>>54088223
Guilliman consorts with Eldar now. It's still cancer, but nobody cares anymore

>>54088221
So would it be possible for one of the special snowflake chapters to have a a Leviathan land in one of their special snowflake companies? Or no?

>>54088238
Fucking FW with their obsession for moving artillery guns and Alien Powerloaders.

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>>54088247
Leviathans are only temporary: the pilot burns out.
You see Culln here? He'll degenerate in a quick order.

>>54087448
Aren't you missing a HQ in the Inquisition Detachment?

>>54087863
>>54087919
Was how I used to do wrecked, back when that was a thing.
Thought I'd take a photo before I glued 'em upright.

>>54088281
So they're grimdark versions of Dreadnoughts where the pilot is constantly replaced like the Servitors in Mechanicus walkers? Interesting.

Just a friendly reminder of our fallen brethren

http://webapplications-webroster.rhcloud.com/rc/web/#!#%2FrosterCreator

Thankyou posters of reddit and facebook for drawing attention to this.

>>54087966
I don't have enough guardsmen for that crap.
I'd rather fill out a brigade instead.

>>54088285
Vanguard just ask for 1 HQ and 3 elites

>>54088281

>Leviathan as an HQ choice that'll probably give the reroll ones to hit captain buff

Be right back, I need to go take care of my erection.

is there a picture that compares a primaris redemptor dreadnought with a normal one?

>>54088281

>Twin assault cannon

Carab why don't you just take a superior storm cannon like a normal person?

>>54087807
Apparently they wrecked af

>>54088348
So that's one big Vanguard detachment of both Inquisition and Ministorum?

My bad, the formatting made me think it was two Vanguard detachments

>>54088379
Red Scorpions and their special snowflake syndrome of course. They HAVE to be special even if being special makes them worse.

>>54088059
Why is the smaller custodes dred giving it the ol' razzle dazzle?

>>54088398
Yah my bad for not editing the horrible format of the aboration that is battlescribe.

Even if the image listbuilder was a full of mistake it's format was good enough

>>54088304
Lol, i thought its some wierd WAACfagging to lower their profile XD

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Hmm so apparently these are going to be the new 'primaris' guard models.

2 wounds, 2 attacks and a bigger base.

I think they look quite cool, better than your standard Cadians.

>>54088104
>Using p2W FW instead of munitorum approved vehicles.

PLEB

>>54088438
You already posted this

>>54088438

Don't forget the longer range guns with better rend.

>>54088155
He should. He's ORK INFANTRY, and auras tend to count on the model creating them, unless specifically noted.

>>54088155
Yes.

>>54088438
I can't tell if this is really inoffensive bait or a really bad joke.

>>54088445
20pts for +1 save +4 wounds isn't really that bad, fliers exist to shoot your artillery no matter how much you try to hide them?

>>54088438
>Cost the same as a regular marine
Where is your god now?

>>54087410
Isn't Typhus all overachiever like "Papa loves me more!" in DI?

>>54088475
Oh they don't cost the two models they replace?

>>54088525
upgrading to a heavy weapon team in an infantry squad is free, just buy the heavy weapon
heavy weapon squads as seperate units (I believe) are only 4ppm

>>54088521
He thinks Mortarion is a failure and that he's the true Nurgle champion, which to be fair, he's not wrong in thinking

>>54088521
kind of? I mean Mortarion sat on his ass for 10,000 years in Nurgle's garden so...

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>Friend puts a deathstrike missle behind ruins in his deployment
>Puts around ten squads of guardsmen with commisars as far forward as he can
>Has a hellhound rush my lines
How the fuck am i supposed to deal with this as a SM player?

>>54088475
They're somewhere between 9ppm or 24 ppm.

>>54088155
Yes, +1

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Are thunderhawks actually good as a LoW choice? They seem fairly durable but I'm not sure about their firepower for their points cost

Also do you actually have to go into hover jet mode to disembark?

>>54088547
>Magnus.jpg

>>54088550
steel rehn

The local WAACfag is getting wrecked after jumping onto the "DE is OP now" bandwagon. It's fucking glorious!

>>54088565
>Also do you actually have to go into hover jet mode to disembark?
not unless it says you do

>bikers no longer have relentless
Are attack bikes shit now?

>>54088550
Oh no, he brought something that might cause 6 mortal wounds to a vehicle with >12 on turn 3, maybe.

>>54088550
DROP PODS. AIRCRAFT. And what's there to worry about? It's a Death Strike, it can only fire once.

>>54088547
Don't forget the time draigo carved a name in his heart. even though we all want to

>>54088550
Scouts snipe commissar.
Drop pod Deathstrike.
Charge with mainlines
Die.

>>54088550
Fliers.

>friend has a defiler, renegade knight, and two heldrakes

I really really want a pylon but I can already see the tears. Am I a bad person?

>>54088582
almost nothing has relentless

>>54088582
'Bout as shit as Razorbacks

Got two sets of DG.

Thoughts on simple lists for starting out?

50 Power Level:

Lord of Contagion - 9

Malignant Plaguecaster - 6

Noxious Blightbringer - 4

7 Plague Marines - 9

20 Poxwalkers - 6

20 Poxwalkers - 6

Foetid Bloat Drone - 10

75 power level:

Extra 7 marines.

Extra sorcerer.

Extra bloat drone.

>>54088611
No, you're just shit at warhams.

>>54088521
I haven't heard about him in Dark Imperium but that's kind of his thing.

>latent psyker that impressed village shaman with his power
>one of the first death guard
>hid his psyker abilities from the legion and discovered he's very good at combat as well
>became first captain
>orchestrated his legion's fall to nurgle
>carries a unique plague called the destroyer hive
>calls his primarch lazy
>defends nurgle's garden from a khorne invasion, offers bloodthirster innards to nurgle's cauldron, and coats his scythe in the stew
>can also interface with his ship like imperial knights do

>>54088584
>mfw Death Strikes will never be good

It hurts.

>>54088619
More bestwalkers.

>>54088619
Please chop off the adjectives for the sake of my eyes.
Oh and remember if you're playing power to stack those icons of fear.

>>54088550
1 missile? who cares, D is gone.

>Flamers are now 8" range
>Drop pods must be 9" away from enemy
The fuck were they thinking?

>>54088660

So that you can't land 10D6 guaranteed auto hits?

>>54088660
They were trying to prevent deep strike cheese.

>>54088651
Only have 40

>>54088669
That's the only thing that drop pods were good for though.

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Waaaaat this dude is amazing. Hits on 2+ and rerolls 1 to hit. That's some daemon prince level badassery right there.

>>54088686
You can shoot and assault out of them, don't whine.

>>54088686
And that doesn't matter to me because my Terminators can deep strike for free and usually get the charge :^)

>>54088681
There's really not much room for list fiddlage in two sets beyond 'just field what you have', priorities are pretty straightforward (and you have figured them out) and power gives heaps of leeway.

>>54088619
The units are all very good but I recommend converting one of your Lord of Contagion models into Typhus. Same cost of 9 but he's better in every single way. He'll also buff your Poxwalkers to S4, T4 if they are within 7".

>>54088686
Drops pods are more detrimental now. Because they can't move they can be charged and locked in combat and you suddenly can't move away from your opponent to shoot at them. I've seen games and objectives lost because of this, essentially giving your opponents mob immunity to shooting for a crucial turn or two

>>54088706
I try to play fluffy and Iron Hands don't have terminator squads.

>>54088722
Easy, run your termies as Iron Hands who have fallen to Chaos (so they don't care) and get a sorc to warptime them after they deep strike.

>>54088722
Well that's just too bad for you isn't it? Play a non-squatted chapter next time :^)

>>54088358
Culln is Chapter Master. He should provide full re-rolls.

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warpsmith with a posse of hellbrutes/ contemps, yay or nay?

>>54088689
he is not effected by his own aura ability.

>>54088763
Dies to conscripts.

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>>54087529
Defile your models all you want anon, but don't inflict it on us.

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I'd love to see chaos try to invade Catachan.

I'd love to read about demons getting their shit kicked in by tank sized scorpions that jungle fighters lured near them using dead plague marines as bait.

I'd love to see khorne marines getting progressively more angry as every time fighters attack them they just dissapear into the jungle before the khorne boyos can get their bloodlust on.

Paradox had some of that where 6 jungle fighters killed 2 plague marines with just knives and then charged their ranks with heavy bolters mountes on space horses but I wanted more.

What do you think?

>>54088769
He has the carnifex keyword, and his aura affects carnifex units. What's the problem?

>>54088776
this meme is really ruining these threads

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So typhus costs less and does more than a lord of contagion, am I missing something or is there no reason to use the new fancy model for anything other than a proxy?

>>54088776
According to /tg/ everything is inferior except plagues of Conscripts

>>54088763
If it's cool and fluffy fucking do it

>>54088776
>look mom, i memed again!

>>54088788
How does Catachan even have a high enough population to sustain the number of guardsmen they ship off?

>>54088792
>carnifex units
Exactly this. It effects Carnifex Units, not CARNIFEX keywords.

>>54088797
Uh, if you wanted a list with two Lords of Contagion? Since Typhus is unique. Beyond that, I don't see a reason to use the vanilla LoC.

>>54088788
You'd have to be a Khorne worshiper to invade a death word.

Does Catachan even have anything of value?

>>54088824
He is a unit, and he's a Carnifex.

>>54088824
>lets have fun with rules lawyering, fuck the obvious intention

>>54088842
Or nurgle. Dump bioweapons, wait, SUPERDEATH WORLD.

>>54088788
Catachan is being invaded by Orks and a Void Whale. Why would Chaos want to?

>>54088824
So are you saying things like the Kroot Shaper which buff "Kroot Units" literally only buff units named "Kroot"? Because those don't exist. Same with Tau Ethereals buffing Battlesuit and Infantry units. Those aren't the names of units, they're keywords.

>>54088842
skulls

You can do lots of things with skulls, like pile them up and roll around in em

>>54088867
Why does Chaos do anything?

>>54088848
He's right you know

>>54088848
>>54088862
>>54088875
No.

>>54088798
>dies to removal

>>54088882
I'm always right.

Even when I'm wrong.

But in this case I'm right: Old One Eye buffs himself.

>>54088897
Yes, see >>54088875

Deal with it.

>>54088905
No.

>>54088879
Yeah but why Catachan when there is more worthwhile places to invade?

>>54088769
>>54088792
>>54088824
>>54088848
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>>54088882

Works every time hunh?

>>54088897
Answer this question:

Is a single model a unit?

>>54088911
Yes.

>>54088918
>I was only pretending to be retarded!

>>54088824
>I don't know how keywords work

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>>54088925

>>54088922
No.

>>54088937
not that anon, but Old One Eye's ability doesn't actually reference a keyword.

>>54088915
>Yeah but why Catachan when there is more worthwhile places to invade?

Chaos wiped out Cadia. Now they're going after the only other planet home to plastic guardsmen.

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>>54088939

>>54088940
Don't be a moron. Every entry is a unit.

That's the wrong argument even tho you have the right conclusion

>>54088960
Shit

This answers everything

>>54088769
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>>54088966
All of you please answer this poll
http://www.strawpoll.me/13323854

>>54088818
They actually breed in litters.

>>54088948
Carnifex is a keyword.

You'd have a better case if you tried to argue that Old One Eye can't be within 6" of himself.

>>54088960
But the fluff says only Orks are.

>>54088719
A self destruct option with moral wounds on Melee enemies might be the solution here.

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>>54088939
Yes.

>>54088995
That would be cool ...

>>54088818
Sex.

>>54088989
One could argue that keywords are always bolded when referenced, and you'll often see non-bolded reference to unit names?

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>>54089002
WRONG ONE REEEEEEEEEE!

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>>54088550
die

>>54088875
The examples you listed buff <KEYWORD FORMATTING> units. OOE buffs "carnifex" units, without the keyword formatting.

Part 6 is out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jahCLBmqHnI

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>>54088818
Most are shipped there first from other worlds, get gud, then leave as terrible minis

What's a Chaos legion that specializes in Terminators?

I love terminators.

Iron Warriors? Black Legion?

>>54089064
delete this, it's going to distract from our intense rules discussion about whether old one eye enjoys buffing himself.

>>54089027
You could argue that, but it'd be wrong. Although most references to keywords (and indeed the example in the main rules) bold those keywords it's never explicitly stated that all references to a keyword will be in bold rather than normal type face.

>>54089048
Well there isn't a unit called "Carnifex," there's only a "Carnifexes" unit.

This entire argument is stupid.

>>54089027

Carnifex isn't a unit name though.

There's Carnifexes, or units with the "Carnifex" keyword

Speaking of Keywords, why did they make Longstrike's buff only work on vanilla hammerheads instead of using the Hammerhead keyword that they made for exactly this sort of purpose?

>>54088521
He just hates Mortarion, he views him as a lazy nerd who spends too much time with books and not out spreading disease.

>>54089085
Actually there is a unit called carnifex. The datasheet is just plural because you can take them as one unit of multiple models, and then later split them up as singular models.

>>54089067
Black Legion, being the "super best" of the Chaos forces they have more elite units like Chosen and Terminators.

>>54089027
>>54089048
There is no unit called carnifex in the game, only a unit called carnifexes.

I think it's poor formating and editing on gws part.

God dammit people, pg. 179 of the rule book
>Some units - usually characters - have abilities that affect certain models within a given range. Unless the ability in question says otherwise, a model with a rule like this is always in range of the effect.

>>54087410

Ok, I just played the following 1600pt ynnari list:

>Vanguard detachment
Warlock skyrunner - Singing spear, Conceal (94)
Autarch skyrunner - Mandiblaster, 2x Death spinner (120)
10 shadow specters 230
10 shadow specters 230
10 shadow specters 230

>Outrider detachment
Farseer skyrunner - Singing spear (178)
Yvraine (132)
5 Swooping hawks - Exarch, Sunrifle (89)
5 Swooping hawks - Exarch, Sunrifle (89)
5 Swooping hawks - Exarch, Sunrifle (89)
Venom - 2x Splinter cannon (95)

I knew it was strong on paper, but holy shit, it's OP as fuck

>>54089119
Where does it say the name of the unit changes if there's only one model in it?

>>54088570
>Boreale was a military genius ahead of his time all along

>>54089134
People are arguing that Old One Eye's ability is affecting carnifex units specifically, and not the keyword, because the carnifex word in the ability description isn't formatted like a keyword.

>>54088788
Isn't catachan + chaos basically pandorax?

>>54089113
Because they felt like it, and so it's easier to keep track of which units buff each other. GW wants to avoid stuff like Azrael giving 50 guardsmen a 4+ invuln so they've tied special characters to sub-factions.

>>54089158
Boreale was just a normal Space Marine player.

>>54089134
OOE is not a carnifex, he's OOE.

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>>54089134
No.

>>54089161

Which is how it works RAW right no.

But I agree it's not RAI and will be likely FAQd soon

>>54087675
Make that 6 it's just that I talk but no one responds.

>>54089125
But the Carnifexes entry doesn't have the CARNIFEX keyword, but the CARNIFEXES keyword.

Thus the only model that can be affected by Alpha Leader is Old One Eye.

Can all of us in the Carnifex debate agree that it's poor writing on GW's part either way? Because as-written, either OOE affects a unit that doesn't exist, or affects a keyword which the clearly intended recipient of the buff does not have. It would also be strange if he were not included in his own buff, given that the vast majority of aura characters benefit themselves, and he clearly is the same type of Tyranid as the targets he's intended to be buffing.

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Best Matte varnish to finish off minis?
I'd rather use canned ones, but i've got an airbrush if need

>>54087790
Are those rhino shoes? Oh god my sides.

>>54089142
>1600 pt
Mind giving a quick rundown? I'm curious

>>54089211
Dullcote

God dammit are we going to have stupid rule discussions til we all fucking die

>>54089192
Jokes also on you, they're treated as separate units when they deploy!

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>>54089192
>you're right

>>54089245
But does it say their name changes?

There are so many problems that simply don't crop up if you aren't autistic.

>>54089241
Until people and GW learn how to properly write and understand English, yes.

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>>54089251

>>54089245
Jokes still on you, Monsterous Brood doesn't alter their CARNIFEXES keyword.

So Alpha Leader still doesn't affect them.

>>54089182
This

>>54088634
Is it worrying that I like Typhus more than nu Ahriman?

How strong is supreme command detachment greater daemon spam?

>>54089291
That's right, a unit of Carnifexes containing multiple Carnifex models splits in one-model units which are all Carnifexes units, each containing a single Carnifex model.

This is so stupid.

>>54089303
He just needs a new model.

Here's another rules question: is there anything stopping me from plopping a homing beacon down next to an enemy tank, and then manta striking a commander+his attached drone unit down next to the tank, so that the drones are within 1 inch of the tank?

>>54089303
>more than nu Ahriman?
Guilliman's Eldaifu ended Ahriman's character arch. She casually completed what Ahriman spent 10,000 years attempting.

>>54089300
I don't blame people for not understanding, as the rule is an openly worded example rather than an explicit definition of how Keywords work.

>>54089192
This is some top tier autism, holy shit. Is this the type of person I can expect to encounter when I start 40k'ing irl?

>>54089308
Depending on the Daemon.
Overall I'd say Mediocre.

I'm looking to expand the Death Guard army that I got with the Dark Imperium box.
What should I be looking into? More drones? Demons?

I'm completey green regarding the tabletop, so I don't really know what's good.

>>54089308
Dies to equivalent points in conscripts.

>>54089319
More stupid if someone actually tries to fight you on that rule just so they're not effected by Old One Eye.

And if it's at a tournament, sock him in the face.

>>54089327
Not at present, but outside of Farsight, you probably don't want to be in melee.

>>54088842
Nuclear toads

>>54089340
Totally. I mean if people are bitching that "Carnifex" unit doesn't exist so it must mean keywords, it stands to reason to point out that the CARNIFEX keyword doesn't also exist. (Besides for OOE)

I'm curious, wouldn't the space marines huge pauldrons make it difficult to use swords and other handheld melee weapons? Why not just have a blade mounted on gauntlet?

>>54089365
I'd rather have my drones in melee with an immolator than have it shooting at my troops.

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>>54089329
You just know she's going to show up and undo all the plague Mortarion and the Death Guard bring to the Ultramar system.

>>54089182
This. All units with the Carnifex keyword are carnifex units. Old one eye, Carnifexes and Stone Crusher Carnifex Brood all have the Carnifex key word and are therefore ALL CARNIFEX UNITS.

It's literally RAW and RAI at the same time there is no debate aside from autists trying to prove a point by pointing at poor edition and not reading the actual rules.

"For example, a rule might say that it applies to 'all Carnifex units'. This means it would only apply to units that have the Carnifex keyword on their datasheet".

End of discussion

Anyone got the new rules for Lias Issodon shitting about? I don't really care about the rest of the book, but it's not in the OP either

>>54089399
But... The Carnifexes unit has the Carnifexes keyword, not the Carnifex keyword.

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>>54088059
>>54088018

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>>54087894
>>54087951
Show me in the rules where "Armor Save" is written

>>54089399
>to units that have the Carnifex keyword on their datasheet".

Except vanilla Carnifexes do not have the Carnifex keyword.

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>thunderhawk deletes 1 MEQ unit per turn with just its heavy bolters alone
>grey knight thunderhawks can upgrade all heavy bolters to psycannons to delete medium vehicles too
>turbolaser and missiles together can 1 round most ground vehicles
>can safely deliver 15 terminators or 30 veterans right up your opponents asshole and into rapid fire range
>at its most expensive is still nearly half the cost of a war-hound

>>54089418
Are you being retarded on purpose?

>>54089418
>plurals don't count as their base word

actually they do

>>54089344

>Mediocre

That's great! Completely middling power is the ideal for list building.

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>>54089383

The pauldrons are motorized and move with them

>>54089440
Can we get a citation for that? It would be very helpful if true.

>>54089421

Yep, the Telemon would dwarf that thing.

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>>54089399
OOEs rule does not reverence any Keyword.

>>54089182
>>54089399
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>>54088689
Yet another rule that needs to be FAQ'd?

Most play tested edition ever?!?

>>54089350
Pls respond

>>54089467
(Well, aside from the <Hive Fleet> keyword, but that's not the bit being discussed)

>>54088445
>p2W
so gw models are free?

>>54089467
Where does it say keywords are only in caps?

>>54089350
>death guard
>I'm completely green
Nice.

Honestly, I'd wait a couple of weeks to see what else they're getting, it'd be a bit silly to fill out to 2000 points then realise you've got no room in the army for the new shit. Morty, terminators and some form of tonk are rumoured. Also, if you are that new, you're probably better off playing some games with a smaller army to get the hang of things.

>>54089433
>half the cost of a warhound titan to delete a MEQ per tuern
>can't even delete half a conscript squad per turn

lmao

>>54088875
Kroot Shaper buffs KROOT, not Kroot. There's a difference.

Keywords are not a complex system

Is there any kind anon with the new IA book out there who has scans/or could just post the rules for Malakim Phoros and Tyberos

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>>54089467
Neither does the Broodlord.

>>54089489
Would have been more funny if you spoiler tagged it.

>>54089491
Nigger >>54089182

>>54089467
The "carnifex" word is not in bold and thus has no significance rules wise.

Old one eye allows all <hive fleet> units to reroll ones in the fight phase, full stop.

>>54088037
wrong, re-rolls are applied before modifiers

>>54089505
Where does it say keywords are only in caps?

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>>54089467
Nor Prime

>>54089495
Yeah I went to my local GW store to find some pople to play with, but apparently nobody is willing to bother playing a game below 1000pts.

>>54088173
No, carriages can be towed via Centaur Tractors, thus are movable.

>>54089500
KROOT do not exist, his special rules are meaningless by your logic.

>>54089471
It doesn't need an FAQ, people need to use their brains and apply basic logic

>>54089510
Right. Duh. Forgot about that.

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Termagant entry doesn't exist, so Tervigon doesn't buff anything?

>>54089508
Woo, so Longstrike not only buffs FW hammerheads, but literally all T'au Sept units! Nice!

>>54089497

But it'll kill nearly an entire conscript blob per turn, especially with psycannons

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>>54089516
But the Tyrant Guard do.

>>54089510
>have plus one modifier
>re-roll misses
>hit on 4s
>roll a 3
>gets rerolled, is now a 2
>+1 makes in a 3 again
thanks gw

>>54089520
Oh. Well they still smell. Since they're more expensive. It's not like the platforms need to move. Plus they look cooler.

>>54089142
Swooping Hawks and OP do not belong in the same sentence.

>>54089467
Irrelevant. Look at this photo
>>54089182
Replace "adeptus astartes models" with "carnifex units" which is the debate. You get
"For example, a rule might say that it applies to 'all Carnifex units'. This means it would only apply to units that have the Carnifex keyword on their datasheet".

How is it not perfectly clear to you?

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>>54089539
As do Etherials.

>>54089551
The carriages look much cooler than the platforms.

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>Longstrike can no longer be put in a Forge World Hammerhead

FUCKING GW/FW REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

>>54089522
Exactly right.
>is one eye a carnifex?
>yes
>so does it benefit from rules that effect carnifexes?
>yes
Simple.

>but then WAAC fags suddenly pretend not to be able to read and cry about it

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>>54089508
imagine being this fucking stupid

>>54089209
Yes it is poorly worded, but the intent is VERY clear. If they wanted it to effect OOE they would have put it in the keyword font.

>>54089549
Reroll are optional. You can take the three

>>54089497

You know conscripts can't even kill their own points in conscripts per turn

>>54089577
Autistic AND stupid. This thread is enough to convince the staunchest leftist on the benefits of eugenics

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>>54089564
And Kroot Shapers.

OOEs rule references the very specific Unit that is Carnifexes, not the blanket KEYWORD as referenced by other datasheets.

God damn is this autist STILL GOING

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Do you guys think the grenade harness is supposed to have AP -1 or AP +1?

>>54089620
no the original guy gave up a while ago this is some new shit poster

>>54089518
Ah, right, that's a bit of a bugger. In that case, I personally would add some plague drones for the mobility, and a helbrute with lascannons for some antitank. I don't actually know how many points that is, but those seem like useful things to have at 1000 points.

>>54089608
Great example. Good thing we have a genius like you to point out that the kroot shaper's ability to let kroot use his leadership doesn't affect himself. He's stuck his own leadership instead.

>>54089622
>tfw weapon is so shit that it gives armour to your opponent.

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>>54089521
How can you be this stupid

>>54089622
>+1 to your opponent's armor save
kek

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Crossposting from /wip/:
I just bought Sergeant Harker and Colonel Straken as well as Ikit Claw, they should be arriving next week. I'm intending to turn them into Chaos characters. Any recommendations for heads to use?

>>54089575
He has the CARNIFEX keyword but OOE is not a unit named "Carnifex"

If they wanted his ability to work on himself then they would have used the CARNIFEX keyword

>>54089636
I can't help you if you can't read.