Modern General

So, we have Fishmen on Ixalan, what are the odds we get

a) a reprint
b) a playable addition to Merfolks.

I would say very unlikely for A and downright impossible for B given the state of Standard

>>54077458
Maybe a cursecatcher reprint? But for some reason they avoided that like the plague.

>>54077458
Well, Ixalan was designed under different conditions than say, BFZ. I do have some hope for the new sets. While it's doubtful we'll get any meaningful reprints, some new tech for various decks can be hopes for, if not also expected. A lot of the rare leaks were absolutely unreadable, so there might be something there.

>>54077408
Why did Mirrodin lose against Phyrexia?

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under played decks with 60%+ winrate edition

>>54077610
Grixis Death Shadow.

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So I recently joined the SS and built dredge. Any tips from more seasoned players?

>>54077458
If that new fish Kira's ability says 2 instead one 1, it'll be sweet in fish. Text is blurry though

>>54077610
Merfolk gets stomped by Grixis Shadow dude

>>54077610

Merfolk are fun, I've always been a big fan of tribal synergy. I'm just waiting for another couple of good soldiers/humans to push that group into playable territory.

Got 3 modern masters packs in the mail. Here's the not commons. How'd I do?

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>>54078703
forgot pic

>>54078431
deathshadow is easy as fuck for merfolkbros m8

>oh you killed yourself for your shitty 5/5? let me swing for unblockable 20 and help you make it a 30/30
>jk u ded

>>54078703
>not buying chinamen

>>54078739
I should. But idk where to even start

>>54078709
pretty good if you paid them for msrp or close to it.

>>54078709
Decent/10

>>54078759
Imagine being this incompetent

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>>54078709
>mfw opened a half box in drafts
>best card was path to exile
>friend opens one pack on a whim
>fucking marsh flats and path in one pack
>"grats bro nice pull"

>>54078769
Think it was around 8.99$, free shipping

>>54078863
Is it just a case of emailing the dude? Also the worry that they'll be shit is real

>>54078703
Check the commons for max jew value.

Burningtree and spell pierce, those add up!

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>>54078911
>go halvsies on a box with a friend
>crack the whole box while hiking and drinking
>karn, Goyf, and some other shit
>tally up everything notable, barely break even
>go home, back the next evening
>he traded everything for a standard deck
>everything

>>54078731
Except this is how it actually goes retard

>deck has 4 pushes, a bunch of terminates and snapcasters to replay them plus block your low power creatures
>kills every creature you put out while slamming 1 mana 5/5s
>you lose

>>54078731
I'm about 50/50 against ds. I run 2 kira which wins games with lords. It really depends on what they get with thoughtseize and whether they get value k commands, but it's definitely winnable.

>>54079557
>opening MM2
you deserved tit desu

Check out this list /tg/ and if you could give some advice id be appreciative

4 Deaths Shadow
4 Monastery Swiftspear
4 Steppe Lynx
4 Wild Nacatl
4 Renegade Rallier
4 Street Wraith

4 Thoughtseize
4 Tribal Flames
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Path to Exile

1 Hallowed Fountain
1 Godless Shrine
1 Watery Grave
1 Overgrown Tomb
1 Stomping Ground
1 Sacred Foundry
1 Temple Garden
4 Arid Mesa
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Windswept Heath

Too many lands? I could cut two fetchlands and replace them with Battle Rage, Fatal Push, or Become Immense

how much is a playset of modern playables / staples?

>>54080175
Depends on the card. Id say between 20-50 bucks on average with a few outliers like Goyf and Hierarch

>>54080175
Just find a deck you like and learn to pilot it best you can. Nobody buys a whole playtest of staples.

>>54080216
He is asking for a playset, not per card.
Can you imagine paying 20 bucks and getting a playset of Arid Mesa?

>>54080115
Anyones opinion? Thinking of cutting two lands and throwing in Battle Rage, since technically its a 56 land deck with a super low curve probably as low as Burn despite the Ralliers

>>54080335
56 card deck*

>>54080335
Honestly I don't think Tribal flames is worth it. I'd rather just play a Boros Charm and cut the blue, because blue is bad in modern. Charm also gives double strike too so that is another upside.
T. Burnfag

>>54080504
Im not playing any Blue cards, just blue for flames. You are right tho Boros Charm is really good and has the potential to be a lot more then 4 damage. I think ill run it instead of battle rage and ill cut two lands.

>>54080504
blue is the 2nd best color in modern right now. It's less represented than just colorless cards though.

BANT Coral people

thoughts on your deck rn? Stuck between it and merfolk to get into modern again

>>54080546
Might wanna add Ghore-Clan Rampager while you are it champ
that dude is a fucking blowout
>>54080553
Blue is trash desu
Is the colour for cucks who are willing to pay 50% than they need to on their mana base.

what's the likely hood of Karn being reprinted soon

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>>54081538
100%, he'll be in iconic masters
the original karn though

How does mono-red burn fair nowadays?

>>54081603
OG karn is reserved list

Oh yeah, I forget that they used to be able to reprint them in from the vaults

Is Obzedat any good outside of the Goryo interactions?

>>54081957
no. If you have the mana to hard cast him he's a fine threat, but there's no reason to put him in a deck without goryo.

>6

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>>54077408
Tron players HATE him!

Learn this one weird trick to keep Silver Golems and Spirit Dragons off your board!

>>54082603
>Gaddock Teeg
>Against Tron
Laughing_Tron_Players.webm

>>54082603
Is he good enough to play 1 breeding pool and side in uwr

>>54082603
Because they don't just slam wurmcoils and ulamog instead. Sweet.

>>54082603

I know he's going to do nothing against a hardcasted Ulamog, but I'm thinking of sideboarding him in bant spirits just for all is dust

I have lost to topdeck all is dust with the tron player at 1. Never again

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>>54082680
no. he's exactly good enough to side in death & taxes to stop them from ever accomplishing anything because you locked everything but ulamog cast trigger out with thalias, revokers and stony silence. your basic plan is to:
1. stop turn 3 karn
2. turn off oblivion stone
3. lock out wurmcoil engine with path to exile, eldrazi displacer or multiple golem tokens.
4. kill them with flying creatures

extra credit bonus round: arbiter and quarters on time!

the black and white variants don't really factor. you're resilient to removal and hand disruption as a consequence of being a low-variance, high 4-ofs hatebears deck with cheaty mana and card draw effects. as a matter of fact i think the red version is worse because they might be running multiple pyroclasm or kozilek's return, which is a lot more impactful then a thoughtseize-you or a path-your-guy if it resolves and you don't have a selfless spirit on-line.

>>54082680
It's worth a shot if you don't play any Cryptics or Revs.

>>54078431
>DEATH'S SHADOW IS LIKE 70% OF THE META NOW OR SOME SHIT
Fuck off.

>>54083317
its at LEAST 6,000,000% of the meta

>>54083398
don't be silly, we're not standard yet

>>54078431
They do well against Tron though.

You can't have everything, modern decks beat one or the other.

>>54082603
*casts pyroclasm behind you*
shh, nothin' personell, teeg

>>54083438
The next big deck is going to be deaths shadow vehicles.

Dont know where else to ask

Does anyone know any good modern cube lists that let me draft storm and splinter twin?

>>54078431
Pretty sure Merfolk beats Death's Shadow for the same reasons it uses to beat Grixis Delver before that deck RIPed.

Tonight I draft Modern Master '17.

What am I in for? What archtype is a trap

>>54081658
Not too great imo. You'd probably be fine g1, but not having any real sb options would definitely catch up to you. Deflecting palm and path are pretty great. You're best bet is to at least go boros

>>54080115
Have you play tested it at all my man? Rallier seems hard to cast and is 3 mana so cutting more lands makes him harder to cast might wana consider cutting 1 and 1 land to lower your curve if you r worried about flooding but thats just my gut telling me this

>>54081658
The best mono-red deck is 8-whack goblins, followed by Skred. Unfortunately, Skred is pretty bad against Death's Shadow and Tron.

Boros Charm, Atarka's Command and Destructive Revelry are simply too important.

>>54085527
Naya agro is where you wana be

>>54085605
That's where I'll be come dinosaur land

>>54079558
>what is kira
>what are mutavaults
>what is unified will/delay/spell pierce/negate

They will kill a couple of lords sure, then you slam the rest down and they can't do shit about dying.

>>54086183
>what is Thoughtsieze
>what is Inquisition
>what is stubborn denial, Kommand, whatever

See? I can play magical Christmas land, too. :^)

>>54085605
I've seen the literal opposite in that dimir control is the best thing in the set.

Is it just a strong draft set, or are people taking the piss?

Finally got a playset of windswept heaths to get into modern and drew a few test hands after adding them in. Jesus, how did I ever win without fetches before?

>>54086235
Thank you for confirming that deathshadow can only win if they get a perfect hand, based retard.

Hope you enjoy the money you wasted on your fotm meme deck that will be forgotted by next year.

>>54086264

Dinrova horror is bonkers, but you really need things to hold on until you can cast him

I'd say with tri-lands shards are all pretty viable

>>54086293
All i was doing was ironically throwing your stupid fucking post back at your face. You can do this shit to any deck. Turns out, if your answers and threats like up perfectly, you can win! Who knew?

Also, I play Burn and Affinity. I eat faggots faggots like you for breakfast.

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Hey, I don't know shit all about formats, but my friends and I play casually. r8 my dragons.
this is the deck I usually save for when I've lost a few and am feeling down.

4x Dragonspeaker Shaman
1x Archwing Dragon
1x Avaricious Dragon
3x Stormbreath Dragon
3x Thunderbreak Regent
4x Scourge of Valkas
3x Thundermaw Hellkite
1x Knollspine Dragon

1x Sol Ring
4x Dragon Tempest
4x Seething Song
2x Geosurge
1x Panharmonicon
1x Reforge the Soul
1x Divergent Transformations

3x Chandra, Torch of Defiance
1x Sarkhan the Mad

4x Dragonskull Summit
3x Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
2x Spinerock Knoll
12x Mountain

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#UnbanTwin

This is it, /tg/. I finally decided to make the jump to memedern. Should I build EldraziTron or Merfolk?

>>54086607
Whichever you find most fun

>>54086607
Build Death's shadow

>>54086590
>putting all the death's shadow lists together
woah guys, snapcaster decks are 25% of the meta, ban now

>>54086366
Another 2 decks that easily lose, especially affinity post side, nice to see you only play shitters and are a shitter yourself.

Why did everyone drop Infect? I know probe was a great card, but they didn't ban Become Immense. Just run fucking Street Wraith in that slot.

>>54086607
Merfolk only uses cards that merfolk cares about.
Eldrazi tron can be built into either tron proper or an eldrazi deck.

Do the latter.

>>54086661
The information that Probe gives is way more important than filling your graveyard. It meant you knew which games to go all-in, which games to play the tempo game, etc. Infect becomes way more fragile without that info.

>white gets a 2cmc enchantment blatantly designed to hose Tronlands
Why hasn't it happened yet.

>>54086661
Not him, but I think you're wrong. I've played Affinity for three years and I'm usually pretty happy to be matched up against Merfolk. I can probably count the amount of times I've lost to Merfolk with two hands. Also, if Merfolk is good enough to be able to beat 3 of the top decks "easily" you'd think it'd see more play, but it doesn't. Really the only people who have any results with Merfolk are those who've been playing it for years.

>>54086758

as a deck that went all-in, probe was great because it allowed you to see if you could

wraith could be used there, sure. I expect for infect what happened to death's shadow, bannings forced the deck to get better or dissapear

>>54086780
the only expensive cards are vial and cavern of souls which both go into a variety of decks

>>54086842

just reprint price of progress

>>54086899
burn instantly becomes the best deck in the format.

>>54086914
That is, until people start playing less greedy mana based. With the sheer number of lands tapping for 2 colors or more (excluding shocks as those have Price built in) and no reason not to expect more in the future, mana bases should be punished further. However, I'm not sure Price is the correct answer here.

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>>54086972
>Greedy manabases are cancer and everybody should play monocolor decks
Kys faggot

>>54086443
This isn't the thread for your casual deck, friend.
Also
>not running either atarka

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>>54087057
>Mono color shouldn't be viable at all

>>54087122
Why play one color when you can play 3 and get better results? Only autistic kids would want to play monocolor decks to masturbate to it's color wheel shit

>>54087122
just print every legacy DnT card into modern, and unban SFM

>>54087057
Nigger just run some fucking basics, 12 fetches, 6-8 basics +4 manlands/utilities/duals should be enough for even the greediest of decks.

>>54087175
I need dual lands for eternal command fuck you

>>54087057
That's not what I said. There should be risk vs. reward to playing 3+ colors. Right now, there's 0% risk vs. 100% reward because there's no downside to playing 3 colored decks, outside of occasional awkward opening hands. Increase the risk with something that punishes mana bases a fair amount and make people think heavily about risk/reward when deck building.

>>54086630
Yeah. No. Thanks.

>>54086780
>>54086890
Merfolk it is!

>>54087252
I disagree. If you want to talk about what people are playing, right now no one is playing 5 or 4 color decks, and several tier 1 decks are near completely colorless. It is clearly too hard to run colors in modern, and we need triland shocks.

>>54087252
>There should be risk vs. reward
except that the people that makes the game has explicetly said they don't want any risk and that they make monocolor decks strictly worst so the 2 color shit lands they make on any standard shit set are sold no matter how shit they are. dont like it? don't play it

>>54087161
>mother of runes in modern

Please, I could protect my deaths shadow even more. :^)

>>54087206
Eternal Command plays counter magic, its not like you can't hold up spell pierce.

>>54087298
>and we need triland shocks.
I would be in favour of more lands like Murmuring Bosk to tell you the truth.

>>54087398
I'd honestly prefer them to stop reprinting new duals at this point. Just cycle them through standard, there's no reason to have fasts and checks and battles and dance and fart and scratch and sniff lands.

>>54087298
You're right on what people are playing right now. It's a result of DS decks becoming more favored: other decks can't take as much damage from their lands and have adjusted accordingly. I am excited to see how the meta continues to develop. It also doesn't mean that I dont think theres a problem and wont hold opinions.

>>54087323
You're also correct. WotC has made it very clear they WANT multicolor decks in Modern. And that's fine for them and the make the game. It doesn't mean I can't complain about it or hold differing opinions. I love Magic. I want to continue to play Magic. I will have opinions on the game, just like everyone else, but I'll keep playing what and how I want to. Just because i dont like one aspect of Magic, doesn't mean I wont stop playing.

>>54087434
>It's a result of DS decks becoming more favored: other decks can't take as much damage from their lands and have adjusted accordingly
Not really, it's because eldrazi tron became a top deck. Add that with affinity and you've got a third of tier 1 being colorless decks.

>>54087429
>fart lands
This is gonna be a thing in unstable, just watch.

>>54085527
Dimir control / flicker

or u/w flicker

>>54086607
Merfolk so people don't hate you

What are Living End's good and bad match ups?

>>54087429
But thats the point, they do cycles and then will do other halves of the cycle
The thing is most the cycles suck. The fastlands, manlands, fetchlands, and shocklands are the only ones that see play

>>54088494
>The fastlands, manlands, fetchlands, and shocklands are the only ones that see play
Check lands and Filter lands see play, although less than the ones you mentioned.

>>54086758

It wasn't just the probe ban

Probe ban + fatal push release + meta shift

>>54088484
good: fair decks
bad: unfair decks and aggro decks and shadow decks

I fucking miss Gitaxian Probe so much
>can never go on the play turn 1 fetch+shock, Monastery Swiftspear, Probe, Probe, swing 3
>Next turn fetch shock, cycle street wraith, Shadow, Shadow.

>>54089097
I'm sure infect misses it more given that between probe ban and fatal push being printed, their deck isn't good anymore.

>>54089248
I fucking hate Tron, why the fuck do all of its bad matchups get banned when they are just trying to go as fast as possible to beat that cancerous piece of shit deck. Next they'll ban Shadow, Goblin Guide, and Mox Opal

>>54088494
Checklands and Battle lands are pretty good IMO, with checklands being obviously better.

>>54089324
It's not that so much as the fact that even when it shapes a format Wizards is too afraid to print a card that hoses lands. Even a narrow white enchantment along the lines of Stony Silence just won't see print.

>>54089324
The gist of the problem, is that everything good against Shadow is bad against Tron, while Shadow is favored against Tron.

>>54085577
>The best mono-red deck is 8-whack goblins, followed by Skred. Unfortunately, Skred is pretty bad against Death's Shadow and Tron.

Wow, retards post here

Skred against DSJ is fucking easy and it has a 50/50 matchup against tron because it fucking maindecks land hate and fast clocks

>>54089846
Skred doesn't have any fast clocks and it literally can't kill a shadow once it hits the board.

WW
Fuck Urza and his gay lands
Enchantment
If a land would produce more then one mana it produces one mana instead

>>54089942
WWW*

It has to be as bad as blood moon, meaning Tron will still win if they get the play.

>>54089973
Its in white so its already as bad

>>54090104
Man, Grixisfags are the fucking worst.

>>54089874
What is Boros Reckoner
What is Goblin Rabblemaster

>>54090228
>implying Reckoner is playable
>implying Rabblemaster is a mainboard card
>implying Tron isn't on the play and drops the T3 Karn while you hold your shitty blood moons and rains in hand like an asshole

>>54090219
Not even a grixisfag. Favorite color combo is Naya.

>>54088777
This. It's the triple hit that hurts, less info due to probe ban, better removal due to push, and the meta has even more decks with even more removal and hand disruption against us.

>>54086888 is also kind of right. Infect either needed to adapt or disappear and most infect players aren't finding good ways of adapting to the triple hit to us. I believe the way to adapt is to switch away from UG and towards BG. Run hand disruption in place of git probe allowing you to see their hand to see if it's clear and if not you take their answer and get a card in your graveyard for become immense. You get main board removal for big threats and abrupt decay against decks that have non creature problems such as blood moon and especially chalice of the void which is played in eldrazi tron main board which for all intents and purposes is generally their one out against us. Plus you get Phyrexian crusader who is an mvp that makes trades favorable due to first strike and can shrug off quite a bit of the removal in the format and it's just nice to have an additional 4 creatures when dealing with all this removal. it's a great change that allows you to play a grind mid-range/tempo style deck that wins on turn 4-5 while still being able to win on turns 2-4 if you need to.

besides switching your colors infect can still work you just need to play smarter not harder. play tight go for it when they are tapped out and just make sure you have at least 8 protection spells. 4x Vines and 4x Blossoming Defense. While Kaladesh block gave people push we got defense as our new toy and it helps a lot. You can throw 2-4 apostle's blessing in if you still have major removal problems still.

So I just got my first real job and currently am in the process of selling off a lot of my collection in order to focus on just a single deck.

For those who play 1 deck only, how long have you played it and what is it?

>>54090739
How does it feel replying to two trips posters and not checking them?

>>54090747
I've been playing Burn since Theros was released. When I pulled Eidolon at prerelease, I just knew I had to get into Modern. I like to think I'm okay with th3 deck. Do pretty well at FNM at least, but thanks to work and life, I don't ever have the time to go to GPs. Hopefully, I can soon, though. I'd like to test my skills against pro players.

What's the best UWR deck? Kiki finisher, Blade Splicers, Nahiri, Elspeth?

>>54089942
Bro just play stony silence. I really don't think turning tron's matchups into a lopsided sideboard roulette is a good idea since nobody likes coinflip matchups.

:^)

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>>54091157
>Stony silence comes down on t2
>map already cracked for final tron piece and or natural tron in hand
>"just play around it bro"

fuck tron and fuck spaghetti monster tron

>>54091124
I'm partial to traditional UWR Control
http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=15979&d=298335&f=MO

Chinaman users: Do you guys do up your whole deck that way, or just staples?

>>54089324

(RR) Destroy target land that only produces colourless mana. You lose 2 life.

(1W) 2/2 Lands can only produce one mana each.

How about that?

>>54090754
(You)

>>54089846

I play skred dude and I hate playing tron the most out of every deck. If they have the play and you dont draw Simian+ Blood Moon, they will fuck you. You literally need a hand with at least 2 land destruction/blood moon to slow them down, but they you might not have a clock in hand. Any good tron deck has built in redundancey. You would need to play Sowing Salts or something like that, but 4 mana might be too slow if they're on the play with a TKS in hand.

>>54091624

Or wotc could drop the "fun is the only thing that matters" bullshit mentality and reprint sinkhole and/or wasteland so there can be meaningful land destruction before turn 2. It would also help with the greedy 3-4 color deck problem that everyone here incessantly cries about.

>>54091716

>turn 2
Turn 3, excuse me

>>54091705
You can do it by following a blood moon with Crumble to Dust and having a Pia or Koth out to beat down.

Unfortunately, the way how play and draw work, make Blood Moon super awkward.

>>54090747
Been on burn since khans rotated out. I won't lie and say it's super interactive, but I enjoy bolting face so I'm ok with that.

>>54091716
>reprint sinkhole and/or wasteland
How the fuck am I supposed to cast my craw wurm with op as balls no fun allowed cards like that? No thanks fun police, just because you can't sideboard well enough against tron doesn't mean we need broken shit like that in the format.

>>54091716
HYMN OF TOURACH FOR MODERN WHEN?

>2(RP){RP)
>Destroy target nonbasic land

Coming someday in return to new phyrexia

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>>54091963
Done

>>54091921

I honestly can't tell if you're being facetious or not. You mentioned casting craw wurm, but the second part of your sentence is what I imagine a lot of tron brainlets here would use as an "argument".

>>54091963

Hopefully soon, probably never. The card is fair and balanced, but I guess people here would rather have 1 mana targeted discard with perfect information rather than 2 mana discard two random cards that can whiff.

Updated list for Deaths Shadow Tribal Flames

4 Deaths Shadow
4 Wild Nacatl
4 Monastery Swiftspear
4 Steppe Lynx
4 Renegade Rallier
4 Street Wraith

4 Thoughtseize
4 Tribal Flames
3 Lightning Bolt
3 Path to Exile
2 Temur Battle Rage
1 Become Immense

11 Fetches
8 Shocks

Now I could run Mutagenic Growth over Become Immense but im not sure. Please some advice?

Or should the Thoughtseizes become Mutagenic Growths?

>>54077408
Out for a week camping, did i miss anything important?

is grixis deaths shadow still a thing?

>>54092582
No and yes.

>>54092689
oh, when are the next bans?

>>54092704
Once scg has sold all their deaths shadows and street wraiths.

>>54086657

The put the eldrazi lists together too. They're being consistent.

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Does anyone happen to have that image that lists
a bunch of U/R Blitz options?

What deck do I buy if I want to 4-0 fnm every week

>>54092937
Burn

>>54092937
Grixis Sadow

>>54093049
A couple guys in my group are selling out of burn right now because of ds and collective brutality in almost every black deck, plus there is little new innovation in the past couple sets

>>54093133
You don't need new cards to innovate, the modern card pool is gigantic. The recent burn changes are to eskew green almost entirely except for the destructive revelry in the board and instead play a ton of burn spells to pop a DS player who goes too low without being forced to attack. Seeing blaze wasn't played a year ago and now it's a snap 4-of cuz every deck is a creature deck.

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>>54091705
been playing combo for a few months and only got paired with tron once. I'm taking skred today in anticipation of 3-color thoughtseize and snapcaster decks but knowing my luck, i'll probably see 4 straight rounds of tron

>>54092025
>fair and balanced
Someones never had their second and third land hymm'ed on the draw and insta-lost the game. Shit would be busted in legacy, too, if there wasn't zeeo mana countermagic to fight it.

>>54091542
>>54091542
Just staples
If not, the card is not stupidly expensive, so the fake have no points

>>54093228
Whats all that metal stuff all over koth?

>>54093228
This is the fucked part about tron; it has no 55-45 matchups. Either you play like merfolk or infect and crush, or you play almost anything else and get swept. The best stray against tron is just hoping to dodge, and fuck that shit.

>>54093268
...metal

>>54093188
I think the other reason is that the cost of burn has increased a bit lately and is almost as much as other - more resilient decks like affinity and even tron because of fetches

>>54093228

You know whats some spicy tech Ive tried vs Tron? Running a 1-2 of Obliterate. Try and ramp out Chandra and/or Koth and then the next turn ramp out the Obliterate. Only works if they haven't played Karn or Ugin though.

>>54080115
No basics? Are you planning to lose to Ghost Quarter and Blood Moon?

>>54093243

>implying any competent player uses force of will on a hymn

>>54082603
Joke's on you! I cast Eldrazi Titans instead of planeswalkers in my tron deck.

>>54093484
>losing 2 cards of your choice is always worse than losing 2 random cards
>daze doesn't exist

>>54093452
kek i actually have an obliterate in my sideboard right now.
What is your sideboard looking like on the whole these days? i haven't played skred for a p long time so idk what's good besides cage and rabbles

>>54093511
>tfw still play R/G tron

Spaghetti monster is just one of my favorite creatures. ;_;

>>54093514

It becomes problematic when you use force on hymn and they follow up with something that actually deserves a force like lili/leovold/TNN the following turn. You got me with daze, but I disagree that it would be too powerful for modern. I also believe that it's almost never worth countering a hymn unless you're playing some sort of combo deck like S&T or UB reanimator and you can't afford to possibly lose your combo pieces. If it ends up discarding your counterspells, oh well. That's a risk I'm willing to take because if a problem card ends up resolving on their turn then it goes from "maybe I'm fucked" to "I'm 100% fucked if I can't jam an answer very soon"

>>54093611

Pretty standard really. Land destruction to swap out removal vs control, Rabbles for pressure, GY hate, Dragons claw for burn, and artifact removal.
I main deck 1 Obliterate DESU, it can steal games. Hazoret isn't terrible either. I want to get rid of the Eternal scourges... They have done work for me, but I feel like there could be better things I could be doing with 3 mana, and having to recast it when you need to is a tempo loss, plus I feel like blocking with him isn't great either, getting sent to GY and all. Would rather have a few tokens for blocking DS and the like.

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Why could this have not been one mana less? For fucks sake Wizards you were so close.

>>54093942
Blue is not Allowed to be good. Fag.

>>54093942
because you have the choice to cycle it so the main effect must be worse than cancel :^)

>>54093942
We wouldn't want to ruin limited or standard now, would we.

>>54093942
>let's print some shitty subpar 3 mana counters for standard even though it's a format of 3 mana hard counters
It's almost like they don't want blue to be playable. Supreme Will and that should have been 1U. I'm sick of the retarded low power level garbage they've been pushing lately.

>>54093452
Why not wildfire?

Ayy, just bought 5 modern masters 2017 packs and got 2 marsh flats including 1 foil.

>>54094354

Don't worry, they'll definitely print good blue and white cards in Ixalan :^)
I'm not even a bluefag, but I'm so fucking sick of nothing but linear aggro and un-interactive combo decks every single game. That card could have had actual potential, but I guess the only constructed format that matters is the shitshow timmyfest of standard or the mouthbreather draft world. I'm so sick of seeing draft videos from sites like CFB it makes me want to puke

>>54094750
Draft is incredibly boring to watch to be honest.

Unfortunately draft and standard are the formats that make them the most money.

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I'm building my first deck. Is a monowhite vehicle build with a mix of pilots and Fabricate creatures a decent idea, or should I keep searching? The rough idea is that by using Fabricate to create Servo tokens, I can effectively crew larger vehicles with less creatures than normal, while taking advantage of the Pilots' special rules.

>>54094865
Wrong thread, buddy

>>54093188
I never understood why people would cut skullcracks over commands.

>>54094865
Wrong thread friend. >>54085351

From what I know, even in Standard most vehicles are trash, same for the pilots. Fabricate also is not great. It's pretty bad actually. Most Fabricate creatures cost an additional mana or two for the luxury of +1/+1 or a servo.
Just use Improvise or (and this is Modern talk now) Affinity. Gearseeker Serpent and Spire Golem are both decent cards for your purposes.

>>54095013
While were on the subject, is Inspiring statuary good?

>>54094968
>>54095013
Shoot, my bad. Thanks guys.

>>54093885
cool, thanks
i'm on reckoners with 1 scourge main so i wonder if that's good enough to keep shadows at bay

>>54094407
wildfire is a beating against many decks but it kinda sucks paying 6 mana and blowing up your own lands if you don't even kill the reality smasher or death's shadow

>>54095045
Statuary is an enabler. It doesn't change the game state itself, but it might allow you to cast some big 6-drop a few turns early.
I personally would not use it, mainly because I don't know what I would be enabling with it.

That, and there's probably a more effective way to do so. A good rule of thumb is that, if Wizards has purpose-designed a card to do something, it's shit at that purpose. See: Drake Haven.
Tempting/appealing cards are always the ones that actually get playtested, and are therefore the ones that are actually balanced. They're balanced in a field of potentially broken cards or card synergies. See where this is going?

I see more potential in Dubious Challenge, but that card has some of the same problems. Maybe getting a single big creature on board doesn't beat getting 6-CMC worth from CoCo.
Design mistakes and unappealing, unplaytested cards are always going to be better than something Wizards designed for Johnny.

>>54095132
I liked the eater of days/hushwing griff dubious challenge combo but it requires too much set up and will almost always be worse than just casting CoCo.

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This is acceptable as a new toy for UR Prowess.
Barring a hand full of 0-drop/Phyrexian spells, it's a better T2 than Stormchaser.

>>54089942

>WW
Unplayable

>>54095369
Its got no haste tho

>>54093243
The best card against hymn is actually brainstorm and that's why it's balanced

>>54095445
>procs Swiftspear
>better damage than Stormchaser unless 3+ Prowess procs

"acceptable"
It's more that Stormchaser is not good enough.

>>54095506

Stormchaser being a 1/3 is an issue

>>54095518
Maybe if we're trying to avoid bolt, but Flying means we can get away with reduced Toughness.

>>54095528

I was saying being a 1/3 is bad. Even with prowess your aggro creature can't be a 2 mana 1 power creature in modern if you want to really compete

Doing some shitbrewing. Is there a land-based wincon that isn't Maze's End, and isn't banned like Dark Depths or Cloudpost?

I could pump mana into Death Cloud or similar, but that is hardly efficient.

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>>54095680
>Is there a land-based wincon that isn't Maze's End
Literally any Manland
I really wanna like this bad boy here, but it only animates of lands in your grave which makes it feel a lot less useful.

Legend of Serra
W
enchantment
If a land is not enchanted or fortified it can only produce one mana of the appropriate type
~dark rituals and cruel artifice always fails before the might of the righteous for they do not understand where true power comes from~

Also the flavor text is tongue in cheek because serra got owned by black magic and an artificer.

>>54095734
>If a land is not enchanted or fortified it can only produce one mana of the appropriate type
I do not think this wording does... anything
Lands are colourless you mong and the only way that can produce mana they wouldn't normally be able to is if they are enchanted or there is a blood moon, prismatic Omen or urborg out. What defines what "appropriate mana" is? Does this mean Sulfur falls can't tap for mana?
This custom card is fucking garbage.
0/10 go back to the custom card thread

>>54095734
Just ban the lands if you're so buttmad about them.

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I'm moving back to an area close to an LGS.

I plan on picking up mono g tron and crushing fnm every week. How good is this plan?

>>54095720
Manlands got waaaaay worse with %40+ of decks running 4x Push

>>54095720

Ehh I mean most decks are running lots of fetchlands anyway and not too many things are competing to exile them. This card could be a good option for grindy decks, the mana cost is much easier than the dual colored manlands. I think the problem it has is being outclassed in keywords/abilities by tar pit raging ravine and such, just has less utility

>>54096056
Play Lumbering falls :^)
Or Valakut, that's another really good land-based wincon

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Any cheap creatures for burn such as this one that are playable? I'm thinking of adding Harsh Mentor instead of Young Pyro...or should I keep both?

>>54096028
play gw

>>54096341
eidolon
goblin guide

you have done 0 research i see

>>54095829
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?printed=true&multiverseid=210

>>54096375
deck list? I'm playing joe losset's gb one right now with main deck push

>>54095680
Westvale Abbey is always fun.

>>54096406
I said cheap. Budget dudes. I mean if I really MUST get gobbo guides I'll get em. I just want to know if there is a tiny bit of uniqueness I can put into my deck (Boros)

>>54096341
Ash Zealot is good against gay decks that like using snapcaster, but is pretty underwheling otherwise.
Firedancer Satyr is sleeper tech that is great for dealing with decks that run creatures that you NEED to kill. He also lets you kill Tasigur with searing blaze
Wild Nacatl is good against decks that don't run a billion removal spells

That is all I can really think of off the top of my head

>>54085527
I went undefeated with Selesnya Strength in Numbers.

I drafted three Bronzebeak Moas, a flickerwisp or two, and a Restoration Angel, though.

>>54096341
Mentor is a sideboard anon, unless your local meta has enough Affinity/etc. to justify mainboarding.

>>54096481
Nigga Gobbo guides are the cheapest point they have been in years
Fuck even I can afford them and I fucking work at McDonalds
1 days wage nets you 2 guides and your playset of eidolons, its not a whole lot of money.

>>54096513
>tying in phonetic slang
Fuck off.

>>54096552
Ok thanks for the advice.
>>54096552
Ah okay gotcha.
Also what about something like Guttersnipe?

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>>54096564

>>54092443
Your deck is in too many colors. I would look at cutting red first.

Growth has great synergy with Death's Shadow.

>>54096581
Nigga he is playing fucking tribal flames, being a fuckload of colours is the point.

>>54092443
Hold up.
We have White for Nacatl, Rallier, Lynx, Path, and what else?
Nacatl is not good. Same for Lynx. Modern has evolved too much. I assume you're using Rallier to bring back DS, stop. Use K Command.

Why are you in four colors? I don't see a reason.

>>54096624
Okay. It doesn't seem that strong, especially if it means slaughtering your wallet and mana like he has.

>>54096624
Tribal Flames is shit.

>>54096666
I actually agree with you satan. I actually suggested he play Boros charm instead in the previous thread.

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I made this one guy upset for making my creatures indestructible with Boros Charm. Is this like not allowed?

>>54096882
You arent allowed to use that mode, every one knows that.

>>54096028
Depends on the meta

>>54096882
>Firefox AND Chrome

Huh?

>>54097126
Chrome for non-porn stuff Firefox for porn.

>>54097138
VPN?

>>54097105
I'm assuming an open field since it's in a major city

>>54097150
Is it free?

>>54097161
Nah.

>>54097187
I'll stick with my current set up then. So about the boros thing. Any feedback guys?

>>54097227
I think the guy was mad about "slow rolling", basically he knew he was dead to 4 damage, and took the 'slow rolled' boros charm as being offensive, which he really shouldn't have. As a burn player you always try to play around anything that might cause you to lose, and using the other modes on Boros Charm can play around Dromokas Command, Shining Shoal, etc etc. (better safe than sorry kinda deal)

>>54096882
Should've told him you were playing around intervention pact for maximum asshurt

>>54094354
>actually wanting to make supreme will a strictly better mana leak

What in god's name are you smoking? Supreme Will costs more because of its flexibility.

>>54097322
OK I think I finally get it. I didn't realize I had the win if I used the first mode.

>>54094354
To be fair, these variants aren't terrible, but certainly not Modern calibre.

>lets take Miscalculate, and make the cycling cost less while making the countertax cost less!
>lets take Miscalculate, and make the casting cost more while making the countertax cost more!

JUST REPRINT MISCALC ALREADY REEEEE

>>54094354
Why is ponder banned? And other blue cards too?

>>54097541
because blue is not allowed to be good. WotC is afraid that Storm being remotely good with irrevocably fuck the format. Just ban grapeshot FFS
Make 'em dragonstorm their wins or ignite memories.

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ITT: "Villains" that did nothing wrong.

>>54097541
Because the other more broken colors abuse blue's shitty ability to add cheap Delve fodder, scry for Goryos, or tick up the storm count.

>>54097394
and that's precisely why it's shit even for standard. Paying 3 mana for a maybe counter or impulse when you could just play a regular 3 mana counter is not worth the extra mana. Also mana leak is fucking shit so making a little better wouldn't even hurt.

>>54097663
The point is it can do both instead of one thing. Mana leak is a dead draw in some games but supreme will at least has impulse mode attached

>>54097541
Ponder is busted. Serum visions is the 3rd most played card in modern and ponder is about 10 times better.

>>54097663
Supreme Will for 2 mana isn't just a little better than mana leak, it's massively better. I'd rather print Counterspell to modern than 2 mana Supreme Will.

>>54097663
>he wants 2 mana counter unless they pay 3, with the option to pay 2 mana to dig 4 cards

>wotc won't reprint 2 mana counter unless they pay 2, with the option to pay 2 mana to cycle

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>>54095111
checking my own trips and reporting a 3-1, with the last round being clinched on turn 6 with a koth into obliterate. two loxodon smiters, two tarmogoyfs, and a knight of the reliquary bit the dust and the only remaining permanents were koth and blood moon. dude checked oracle and scooped because he had no more basics in his deck
the loss was to titanshift in two. obliterate probably would have won game 2. since i untapped with koth and blood moon in play. card is legit nasty and fixes a lot of horrible board states in your favor.

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Surely >>54099624 and I aren't the only two anons to go to FNM. What was everyone's record?

I went 4-0-1 with pic related tonight.

>>54095008
Pretty late, but. With the unbanning of Nacatl justifying maindeck Green, Burn ran 16 creatures. Meaning, ACommand becomes a better, more versatile Skullcrack. The +1/+1 to all creatures let's you push more damage through AND bolt the dome. It's still good enough to see sideboard play as additional Skullcracks, but with the meta shift towards DS and Affinity meant Nacatl isn't good enough. And less creatures meant ACommand isn't as good and you take more damage off lands. So, we've moved back to RWg.

>>54100326
Basically what this guy said but there's a bit more.

Kitty-less burn started being more favored around the time of infect/kilnfiend/oldshadow, with the rise of kill spells and now push, and the upside of running a much less painful R/W manabase saw people forgoing mainboard green.

the difference between having 15 life and 22 life consistently. though there is absolutely still merit to Naya burn with Atarkas (no kitty tho, never been a fan, that's zoo)

>>54100296

Since I'm stuck 1h 30' away from any LGS, no FNM for me.

Speaking of which, would you bring modern decks against kitchen table? Maybe I should spend summer playing just pure jank

Shadowverse and its qt anime waifus are destroying our game on twitch, bros. Is the end of Magic?

>>54100554
Magic makes fuck all money considering how popular it believes itself to be. Yugioh and Pokemon casually swat it aside.

>>54095734
~
1W
Enchantment
Whenever a mana ability would add any amount of <> to a player's mana pool, that ability adds <> to that player's mana pool instead.

If WotC is going to print hate against fast mana abilities this is what it will look like: they target slightly broader concepts like "artifacts" or "graveyards", price it at 1W, and make the wording as specific and simple as possible. My guess is they'd want to hit Tron, 12post, and rocks equally, because they wouldn't differentiate between hating "fair" and "unfair" fast mana.

>>54100296
I only have two stores in close proximity and one only does standard once a month and the other requires a facebook account to check event dates.

In other words, simply going out to play magic is inaccessible to me.

>>54101180
Well, you could always set up a Facebook account. Fake or otherwise.

>>54100296
My lgs does draft fnm, and then modern/standard/legacy depending on the week along side, but most people draft, because we have modern 3 other days of the week.

>>54101180
>the other requires a facebook account to check event dates.
Surely if you were to go there and ask about events they would tell you. They probably have a public calendar somewhere.

I want to make a shitty meme deck with the goal of maxing my tarmogoyf every single game. maybe pack some delirium shit to benefit off the GY as a side. but the main course is big fucking goyf beats. but I don't really want to play death's shadow and just end up with DSJ. Plausible?

>>54101289
Guy told me "We update the schedule on facebook, go look there".

I reckon this wasn't a problem previously, but ever since a week ago, Facebook doesn't allow you to check events unless you are logged in.

>>54101319
Plausible? Sure. Mishras Bauble, Tarfire, Thoughtsieze/IoK, Streetwraith, just off the top of my head. Maybe cyclers with more than one supertype. Playable? Maybe, but nothing is stopping you from trying.

>>54101348
make a burner account. that's what I did. I just don't admit to having one publicly.

>>54101319
Liliana of the Dark Realms, Tezzeret the Seeker, Chandra Nalaar, Gideon Ally of Zendikar and sometimes Garruk Relentless can immediately kill themselves after you cast them.

>>54101319
4x goyf, 4x grim flayer seems like a good place to start, along with what >>54101369 said. LotV is your best bet for a planeswalker. Vessel of nascency, or seals for enchantments. Fill out the rest of the deck with threats and you got a place to start.

>>54101319
dude at my lgs runs maindeck spellbombs and fucking sigil of the nayan gods for memeogoyf purposes in his junk list.

and sometimes lingering souls flashback lingering souls cast sigil on a token wins the game in long matches. it's really fucking annoying.

wait

core sets are coming back?

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>>54101631
do you live under a fucking rock?

yes, but they're already indicated core sets will be "simple" and designed as "ramps for new players to join the game" which means full of useless fucking dogshit. probably worse than they were before, because literally everything they make has to be simple to understand and cater to new players for some stupid fucking reason.

>>54101664
ive been out of the game for a while so i recently learned that core sets were removed

>>54095680
It's similar to Cloudpost, but Tron is a combo deck where your combo pieces (the lands) can't be hit by thoughtsieze. I didn't know if you were excluding cloudpost because it's banned or because you won't like making big mana.

>>54096341
Monestary Swiftspear is good.

>>54101664
WotC caters to new players because that's who buy their sealed product. Oldfags don't buy shit.

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>>54096028
Buy into Mono Red Tron, the tightest meme in modern atm

Should I proxy jund or jund shadow?

What is the most cancerous card in modern and why is it collected company?

>>54102520
Agreed, green has no right to have playable cards

>>54102520
It really is a tough card. Do only combo decks play it? I've never played it but I would like to know how many times it whiffs.

>>54102825
You literally just fill your deck with the most pushed three drops that have been printed in the past couple years and the deck plays itself

Can I build a rat tribal deck that won't capitulate to literally everything? Pack Rat last night just did so much work

>>54102842
Pack Rat is the only good one, just play mono black control if you want to play Pack Rat

>>54102853
Fair

>>54102842
The dude that brought me into the game said one of his friends had a badass rat deck,

>>54102842
CoCo Rats. Coco makes all tribes tier 2.

>>54102952
Kek.
"CoCo, discard your hand"

>>54102159
>Oldfags don't buy shit.
Because the fucking product is easily 95% shit. Nobody fucking plays with 95% of booster contents not in sanctioned formats or unsanctioned formats like pauper or EDH.

And because the players are so fucking useless and cannot organize a fucking gathering of 8 people to draft without a goddamn store to babysit them it is so inconvenient to try and draft in person to bother buying product.

I want to be excited for new Magic product but I'm not. Because it's all fucking garbage that only an ignorant new player or an actual idiot would buy.

It's like the entirety of Magic products being made in the past fucking decade has the appeal of video game cosmetic DLC to me.

>>54102982
You mean Collected Brutality?

>>54103117
So whats your solution?

>>54103338
No he means collected company into two rats whose ETB triggers cause opponents to discard cards.

>>54103344
I don't have a solution.

But something has to be done to make Magic communities not-shit. Because they're currently infested with man-children that are attracted to the activity because this game's audience suffers from the same problems you would see at a Gambling-Anonymous meeting. You see people being smug to each other while trying to swindle every stranger they meet and while that's not true of all players, it's still a problem and it stems from this horrible secondary market situation.

Nearly every decision Wizards has made in recent years could only sell to the ignorant and retarded, which dick-sucks will justify by saying "well they're a business first and foremost" as if that excuses them for cultivating an environment of moron customers who are too stupid to recognize trash.

And sure, people have been saying the game is dying for years. But now there are real challenges; because digital product (social media/video games) are more appealing/competitive/affordable for peoples' time than card games; online marketplaces are threatening local Magic play spaces; prettier things like Hearthstone.

Wizards is neglecting that they have a superior product and failing to sell it to people who demand a smarter product. The idiot money won't last; it never does.

>>54103531
>dick-sucks
where the hell are you from?

Humans, faeries or merfolk?

http://docker2.deckedbuilder.com:3001/d/311695

rate my MM17 draft concept deck. I probably have an extra path floating around somewhere, in case you were distraught about 3-of path.

>>54103788
Merfolk if you want to win, faeries if you like black and humans if you like memes

>>54094750
Thats because wizards has never attempted to make modern their focus.
If they did im willing to bet they would make a serious killing.

>>54103990
Tough call, but at least humans are out.

>>54104127
I'm pretty sure they tried and accidentally broke the entire format so hard that future modern protours had to be cancelled.

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Where the deck pics at?

>>54104272
Could you give specifics possibly?

>>54104272
Not by adding cards per say but by have serious sanctioned tournaments with serious prizes.. i mean even league of legends gives a mil for first place.. i seriously believe wizards could shed out more than 40,000 dollars to first. Not only that but they could bring back the reward cards, invent new type of rewards for FNMs etc etc i mean theres alot that can be done without actually adding OP cards to the format and this would make wizards alot of money bc lets be honest modern is the funnest to watch and participate in.

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>>54104292
Almost at full build

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>>54104388

new thread when?

>>54104365
Honestly I think bringing back Invitational cards is an easy way to make being a pro player better without actually having to spend more money but Wizards is fucking retarded so who knows

>>54104575
can't do that, bob and tiago are actually good. can't have any more of that nonsense.

>>54104712
New thread
>>54104756
>>54104756

>>54104712
You're right, can't have pro players showing that they can do a better job than R&D

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>>54104764
pls no

>>54104575
Thats what im saying man

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>>54104436

>>54100554
>twitch
End your life

>>54105022
>>54105022
>>54105022


Use this one instead, the other OP is a faggot.

Is there anything more satisfying than chaining out 4 additional lords and a spreading seas while having two merrow reejerey on the field?

>>54105329
Playing a real deck

>>54102159
Boosters are a shitty business model.

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>>54102825
>do only combo decks play it
Not even.
MTGgoldfish has it tracked as the 14th most played spell in Modern. You're paying 4 mana for 6 CMC of creatures. You also have good odds of finding certain creatures you want. The odds of whiffing are incredibly low.

It just is not a good card.

>was shitbrewing last night
>wondering about making Surging Sentinels work
>Congregation at Dawn does exist
>oh, but why not just cast CoCo instead?

>>54106157
>It just is not a good card.

Not a healthy card I mean. It's too good, to the point where every deck you make needs to weigh the odds of running CoCo versus not. Is it worth packing a few 4-drops in since it makes CoCo unreliable? Nah, better only use the 2-3 drops every deck uses.