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One of the few times I have something for the edition.

>>54067753
way undercosted

>>54067753
Yeah, I'm with the other guy, very undercosted. I also don't understand the ETB ability at all. I get how it interacts with the last ability, but it still feels odd.

Cat
Creature - ?
Cat comes into play with 8 life counters.
If Cat would take combat damage, prevent it. Instead, remove a life counter.
1/1

What color would Cat be and how much mana would it cost?

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I like the embalm tech and would like to find different ways to use it.

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Suggested idea for Prism Charm, I actually made this based on that idea somewhat recently.

>>54070907
That doesn't work, because a keyword has to work the same way every time, at least within types. If you want to make a specific name for each creature, at best you could make it an ability word, like Landfall.

Though honestly I think a better technique would be to use DFC. Or hell, even Flip, and I'm not even a fan of Flip.

Also, art in use, Mothrider Samurai.

Also also, no quotes around the name. I see people do that all the time and I have no idea why.

Again, maybe Renown or Exalted?

>>54071013
Mechanic would normally be dfc, you're right. Embalm was just a way to do it eithout dfc. Renown is actually exactly what I thought this ability woupd be a while back, if renown wasnt already a thing.

I actually didnt want it to get a new name, but I was worried how it would interact with other copies on the board. Is there rules text that allows you to add a word to a card name yet?

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>>54071088
No. The absolute closest you can get is adding a new name.

Anyway, why not use Renown or Exalted?

>>54071131
Because i was brainstorming a new way to use the embalm technology, and this particular concept wanted the card to become legendary. Renown is actually perfect for what I want but yeah. Exalted not even close except flavor.

>>54071157
>>54071131
>googling aome ways yo try and make it work
>Find http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/magic-rulings/magic-rulings-archives/313197-genju-of-the-realm
>For the legend rule to apply, both permanents have to have the Legendary supertype. Your lands are safe
Huh
Thats a weird interaction.

>>54072574
You could probably get away with making both abilities static.

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>>54070404
You'd want to make this champion an untapped land, otherwise it's ramp, and even then it's probably still not okay.

>>54070429
Probably white or green, but most likely white. Wording needs work. It'd be pretty much the same cost as an Indestructible 1/1 because it essentially does the same thing.

>>54070907
Yeah I agree you should use DFC for this.

>>54071013
I think the issue here is the B and R modes are way too good. R effect is Barrage of Boulders undercosted by 1R and stackable? Yikes. Even if you argue that Barrage is overcosted because of Ferocious, it's still a 1R effect at best. Electrickery is 1RR for the same effect too, so I feel like 2R is fair. B is usually a single opponent discarding a single card, so having it hit all of them is over the top I think. Unnerve is 3B for two cards from each opponent, so ha;f that would be 1B, at the very least.

Okay, so I looked at Oracle text for a long time, but I still don't know if this works. I feel like I'm missing something. I need to sharpen my search-fu. Based somewhat on Melira, or the idea of her anyway, I was trying to make her relevant to the set AND function outside it. Idea is if you use Manifest with her you can just flip the card up for free instead of having to pay since it can't be face-down. I'm just not sure it works.

So this new keyword in Hour of Devastation, Afflict... it's basically Trample. Why? I mean I guess it's static trample in that it always deals that much damage, even if the creature wouldn't have trampled that much through, but still. I dunno if I like it. Thoughts?

>>54073747
>R effect is Barrage of Boulders undercosted by 1R and stackable? Yikes. Even if you argue that Barrage is overcosted because of Ferocious, it's still a 1R effect at best.
Blazing Volley.

I agree with you on the B bit. Maybe opponents lose 1 life for each B spent to cast it?

>Dishonor
Did you see my idea for temporarily making creatures 1/1's with no abilities?

As for your card, I have no idea how the first ability would even work. Would you just pay 3 to cheat Morph creatures onto the battlefield? And what about non-creature Morphs like Zoetic Cavern?

>>54065883
>Decree of Dispersal
Hm, I wondered about that. And yes, it's supposed to be an all or nothing decision. I'll change it over for now. I can always change it back if need be.

>>54065922
>Braggart
I've changed it, because yeah, it was narrow. I'll post it later when the thread is busier.
>Raider
Ah okay. It seemed like a bit much but I can always tweak it later.

>>54066424
Some okay ideas here, some I had already considered, but I can't use any of the +1/+1 counter stuff as long as dishonor uses -1/-1 counters. I'm guessing you think that should change though.

And as far as dishonoring a creature that's already dishonored, I thought about that. The result is it gets another -1/-1 counter then it dies due to SBA. That's what I want to happen, and it's a reason I really want dishonor to continue to function like it does.

>>54066667
The idea of it being temporary doesn't appeal to me because you can't just turn honor on and off like a light switch. It loses all meaning then.

>>54066675
Exalted is an interesting idea, but Renown is off the table right now. I'll consider what I can potentially do with Exalted though.

>>54074557
>Blazing Volley
Okay, but the issue is that what you have is a charm card, so it shouldn't be playing the same cost to emulate a card as the card itself costs. You have to account for the utility. I will give you that I missed that though. It at least makes it a little less offputting. I like the idea that it can ping your opponents, yeah. Much more in-line.
>Dishonor
Yeah I did, and I answered below.
>Amane
It does say creatures can't be, and since Manifest says you can only turn creature cards face-up, I figured that'd work. But I'm also not sure, as I said. And yeah, it'd basically mean you could cast any creature spell with Morph for 3, but it doesn't trigger Megamorph's counter. I figured that Elvish Piper says that's fine, since she requires Morph creatures and it can do anything. I'm also not sure if it triggers the "when ~ is turn face up" stuff, but I feel like either way it's fine if it does, since that's just a replacement for ETB, but a bit more pushed. How would you word it, if you had to? Or would you just not do it? Now that I look at the reminder text, I feel like maybe it needs a touch up at any rate.

>>54074285
Its basically meant to be kind of like an evasive mechanic as best i can tell, which I guess is why blue was allowed to get it. I really dislike it though. It feels very... mechanical, I guess? Like, yeah it fits flavor, and i presume it will do what its supposed to. But its not compelling at all. Not all mechanics have to be i guess but i dunno. I just hate it.

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>>54074285
Afflict makes combat more difficult for whoever you attack. Trample is worthless against a creature with high toughness, whereas Afflict always guarantees you that the defender will lose life, doubly so since Afflict is lifeloss instead of damage, so it can't be prevented. This means that abilities that require lifeloss, like Neheb's, will always be useful.

Adding onto that is stuff like Unraveling Mummy and Accursed Horde in conjunction with Frontline Devastator and Merciless Eternal. Let's say Frontline or Merciless get blocked by some big creature. Just use some mana to give them Indestructible, maybe Deathtouch too, and you can attack again next turn. Your opponent loses some life anyway, so it's not a bad turnout. Or if they don't get blocked, then you can just use that mana to instead pump them for extra damage to the opponent.

And of course you have things that synergize with themselves.

>>54074285
The only thing I dislike about afflict is that it's Afflict N, which means we'll probably never see it again. It would've been a good Blue/Black evergreen.

>>54074796
Blue getting it feels really weird still though. We've been conditioned for a long time to believe that blue's not supposed to get efficient damage.

>>54074856
I know what it does, anon. Your first statement is basically what I already said. I just didn't see why it should exist since it basically overrides the need for Trample in HOU, and it feels off overwriting an evergreen unless it were looking to be replaced. I don't think it's bad per se, just jarring. Especially since blue gets it.

>>54074903
Still weirds me out that blue has it. But I can see people liking it. You're probably right though, it having an N attached to it means it's unlikely to be an evergreen.

>>54076344
Oh god, are you one of the spergs who got mad at Time anon making Mercs Green and White? Jesus, Afflict is used on Blue because it's to tie into the flavor of the Eternals. I can't believe I have to spell this out to you. Do I also need to explain why Eternalize and Embalm make Zombies for colors that don't normally contain Zombies? Do I have to explain what flavor is? Do I need to explain what top-down design is?

>>54076344
>We've been conditioned for a long time to believe that blue's not supposed to get efficient damage.
Amonkhet is pretty creature-centric, as is MTG in general these days, and blue getting a type of "thinker's evasion" fits pretty well, thought it's obviously no perfect.

>I just didn't see why it should exist since it basically overrides the need for Trample in HOU
Trample and Afflict are pretty different. You can reduce the strength of trample, and its dependent on the attacker's power.

Afflict either does N damage or it doesn't, and it does that damage completely independent of pump.

>>54076468
Don't bring that shit up here. It has nothing to do with anything.

>>54076468
No, because card types aren't the same as mechanics. Card types aren't as tied to the pie as mechanics are, so there's zero point in bitching about white Zombies or green Merfolk. Why would you assume that when the two are very different. All I said was it was weird, not that WotC is wrong. What the hell is your problem? I even gave my reasoning. Calm the fuck down.

>>54076547
I get that they are different, but play-wise they seem to occupy similar niches, or at least that was my knee-jerk. I guess I need to stop looking at it like I was and train myself to see it as a sort of evasion. Which Trample is too, but eh, I'll let it be. No sense in a shitshow, and given all the "block this or don't" mechanics they strapped to it, it makes sense how it works.

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A door to nothingness-like limited win con for my superhero themed set

>>54076628
Why's he GW? I assume since it's a superhero set, it's because he's a hero? It's a kinda neat card though, I have to admit.

>>54076722
All the 'main' heroes and villains are dual colored and GW specifically will have the most access to colored mana

>>54076722
>>54076757
oh and yeah, there is a slight black and white divide between heroes and villains but its not like a big part of the set like the phyrexian spread was

>>54076757
>>54076778
Makes sense. I don't see a problem with it. I have seen a few superhero cards posted without a symbol here and there the last few threads; were those yours?

>>54076802
No, I believe there is another person doing some superhero stuff but I think they are actual adaptations of DC/Marvel material; not sure if they are part of a set.

>>54076824
Yeah that's why I mentioned the "no set symbol" thing. He's been around a while.

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Main colour is black. When secondary colors are added, then their alway H/Colour.

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>>54077061

>>54077061
>>54077083
You've checked pretty much every shitty custom card box. Congratulations.

>>54077509
Tell me at least why

>>54077551
I don't have time to list everything. Here's what you did right:

You found art depicting goblins for your cards about goblins. That's about it.

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>>54076628
Might as well do my take on Apollo, since you used his art. Apollo is, like many of The Authority character, is just a variant take on a pre-existing DC character, in this case Superman. Apollo takes energy from sunlight, and channels it for things like flying, strength, and energy blasts. For some reason my mind thinks casting spells can be read as sunlight. I dunno. Looking for good art, internet connection sucks right now for some reason.

>>54076757
>>54076778
I'm not saying you shouldn't or can't do this, but I do want to say that if you ever reach a point where this division of colors gets in the way of making good, interesting cards, you are totally justified in dropping it. I tried doing mono-color cards with off-color costs for my entire COllection, and I dropped that years ago.

>>54077083
Art in use

>Disguised Goblin
Boros Recruit

>Distance-Keeping Goblin
Skinbrand Goblin

>Goblin Abomination
Spike Jester

>>54077083
Art in use as well, Mimeofacture.

>>54077591
>You found art depicting goblins for your cards about goblins. That's about it.
lol

>>54077700
Whoops, meant to link to >>54077061 Long story short, every art asset you use is currently in use by Wizards, except Goblin Hideout. Which, incidentally, looks like a screenshot of a video game.

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Trying Superboy. Again.

Lore explanation would take a while if I did it the normal way, so I'm going to turn this into bullet points.

* Clone, part Kryptonian, part Human, made from splicing Superman's DNA with Lex Luthor's.
* Originally didn't have Superman's powers, but instead tactile telekinesis (TTK) that approximated them. That's what these abilities are supposed to represent.

Wait, that didn't take long at all. Whatever.

>>54077944
Needs wording help, since Wizards changed how P/T is changed. As for the abilities, maybe 1G, 2GG, and 3GGG? And maybe exchange Reach with Indestructible? I dunno, it's a weird design. I feel like a Figure of Destiny or Warden of the First Tree type of design would be better. Uh, first ability changes P/T, second ability makes it a Mutant with Indestructible, third ability adds counter?

>>54077752
Couldnt find art of little shids for my cards so I just searched for Goblins on the sites Op has given. Should look up if art is in use before using it myself.

>>54077700
I dont remember people pointing out the in use art thing like this before. It seems pointless. Where do you think they got the art, unless you really think its total coincidence they all got art from magic of goblins? I prefer using existing magic art when possible for random cards because it already matches the look and feel of magic, and it saves time and effort finding new art. Do people do it on the off chance someone didnt mean to do it or...? Not trying to be confrontational, just legitimately wondering what the purpose is.

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Might as well.

>>54078830
I guess you haven't been here long. Or maybe it's just me. But personally, I've seen dozens of people accidentally use Magic art, then replace it after it's pointed out to them. Hell, I had one guy who replaced Magic art with more Magic art! I was so hoping he'd do it a third time.

But yeah, most of the time, people here don't want to use art that's already being used for Magic cards, and they'll change it as soon as it's pointed out to them.

>>54078969
Maybe Im too familiar with Magic art. I cant understand how someone would pick art without knowing it was magic art all that often.

>>54077061
>>54077509
>>54077551
not him but

>Disguised Goblin
generally out of color, black doesn't have a lot of cheap high toughness walls except for literally one in Khans that was more of a tribe thing. It also doesn't really fall in line with goblin design which is small aggressive stuff. The effect, while I understand what you are trying to do, would never be written like that. It would just have a Goblin Human tag.

>Distance Keeping Goblin
Mixing different types of symbols is generally looked down upon. Having phyrexian mana also doesn't really make the card red so giving first strike and haste to what is essentially just a black one drop is pushing it. WotC doesn't like printing cast restriction on creatures but if you had to it would be worded as "You can't cast Distnace-Keeping Goblin unless you control two or more goblins." You never use numbers except when referring to costs and stat changes.

>Goblin Abomination
just straight up way too good. 2/3 with undying and a 2/2 with menace for 1BB is too much. Also Black and Leviathan should be capitalized.

>Goblin Hideout
The second effect should be worded as "Whenever a Goblin would die, exile it instead." Colorless mana is now a {C} notation and mana itself is usually not described as 'one/color mana' unless it was any color then look at any Paradise Bird for the wording. The last effect should be "Put a creature card exiled by Goblin Hideout onto the battlefield."

Overall you really need to learn the wording of effects and how zones work in the game. Custom MTG autists care about this stuff because one of Magic's greatest achievements is a consistent syntax.

>>54079165
woops not black, just Leviathan should be capitalized for Goblin Abomination

>>54079056
I thought this was a lot more interesting on my first read through but the effect really just ended up being a tutor in maybe like four out of every five casts. It's a perfectly fine card, just not nearly as interesting as most other FoF effects.

You pick the card you want, your opponent has to pick two incredibly shitty cards or else you would just pick the two other cards if they weren't garbage. On a fringe case that the deck has very low amount of win conditions and the opponent instead picks the last two win conditions, then it's a slightly more interesting trade-off but still probably in your favor. There is only two modes, you get what you want or you pick what the opponent foolishly gave you. It never has that FoF feel where you also maybe mix that one card into the opponent's pile.

None the less, a reasonable bomb.

>>54079281
>>54079056
Woah read it completely wrong, my bad. But even now that I read the actual effect, it's even more like a tutor.

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>>54079027
Probably. The same is true for me, which is why I point it out all the time. Probably because I spend a lot of time looking at Oracle text and card images. Which also leads to some odd trivia. The 10th Edition printing of Mantis Engine has Oracle text that lists flavor text that isn't featured on the card itself. At least, not on the version of the card Wizards used for Gatherer. Turns out, foil versions of cards from that set didn't have reminder text, even if the normal versions did. So the flavor text for Mantis Engine shows up only on foil versions, since with the removal of its reminder text, Wizards replaced the space used by it with flavor text. The same happened with Mirri, Cat Warrior from that set.

>>54078969
>U/R Sorcery, Mythic
Derp. Had an idea for converted nonpermanents cards into another nonpermanent card. Rolling again.

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>>54078969
rollang

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>>54078969
Rollan

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>>54079481
>>54079596
wew

also I hate land desgisn

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>>54078969
You got me curious why you use this one instead of the other one now. Mixing it up?

>>54079416
This is really cool. Cost seems about right, since it's so reliant on having a good card in your yard AND having the top seven cards hit at least two or three instants or sorceries. Very nice.

>>54079056
Interesting. Turning a tutor into a three card monte is kind of neat. I feel like it's a bit more of a UR thing though, given how it's got an element of "chance" to it. Might just be me though.

>>54078537
>tap up to two target artifacts and/or creatures defending player controls
Insert "read more Oracle text" joke here.
Seems fine otherwise. I like how he feels like an "entry level" Kryptonian, so if you were going for that flavor, you got it.

New version of Mandate. Rip into it, boyos. I get to set up a set skeleton... again... fun times, let me tell you.

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>>54079596
Cant do this one on nightmare mode so skippan, sorry. I have no damn clue. Only ones i could think were etb tapped and tap 2 sac draw and etb tapped etb peak at top card of your or maybe the opp's library.

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>>54079416
>Green Sorcery, Uncommon
What, I like counter manipulation. I'm hoping it's OK to remove counters on Green if it's doing it to your own stuff, since Green seems to be able to remove -1/-1 counters just fine. So, the idea behind removing all the counters is to remove all the counters that negatively affect your stuff.

Rolling for one more.

>>54079708
>You got me curious why you use this one instead of the other one now. Mixing it up?
Basically. I actually think I like this one more.

>Spell Mimicry
Thanks.

>Superboy
>Insert "read more Oracle text" joke here.
Damnit. Complications from overwriting wording of another design I had in my head. Thanks for pointing that out. And thanks for the feedback.

>Mandate
I think it should be spell only. Not sure on this, I'd have to see it in action first.

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>>54079731
Common gold is hard

>>54079958
>Seeds of Vigor
Should be fine. Black is usually the counter removal color, and UG gets to move them between creatures that share a controller, so G stripping them off itself should be okay. W could also have it, I bet.
>Mandate
I have "ability" on there because I plan on featuring a lot of Advisor cards that have activated abilities/ETB stuff that Mandate will play off of. I hope it works out.

>>54080097
I realize you rolled WU, but this could probably be monoU too.

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>>54079958
>UG Creature, Rare
Spin on Mystic Snake.

>>54080097
Idea seems OK, but I feel like it's a bit undercosted, could be wrong though. This also reads a lot better if you move the "until end of turn" bit to the front.

Oh yeah, and art in use, Lyev Skyknight.

>>54080318
I actually had it had just flying and curiosity, but i added the buff to make it worth being WU and to make it feel more like white's jumps

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>>54080361
Above poster might be right; it may need to be +1/+1, but it being WU is fine. P/T buffs are more white than blue anyway. You could make it feel more white by making it an instant too. If you reduce the P/T bonus, you might be able to get away with it at the current cost.

>>54080349
Seems fine to me. I will probably actually have a creature like this in my set since activated/triggered abilities are going to be a secondary design theme (so... basic MtG these days then, right?)

I wanted to do dual lands along the vein of Bojuka Bog and whatnot that ETB tapped but have a bonus when you play them. Is this weak enough? I can nix the idea and do something else if need be. Or I can make it a filter land and slightly buff the ETB thing.

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>>54080695
The problem with this is you have two upsides (the ETB effect and producing two colors of mana) but only one downside. I think these would all have to at least be uncommon. And as for ETB, maybe attach some sort of condition to it, like do something useful only if you control two Swamps and/or Forests. But then again, lands are a nightmare to design well, so I could be totally wrong.

Might as well post my own land.

>>54080791
I'll see what everyone else says, if I can manage to get more feedback that is. I can also make them filter lands, like I said. That might even them out while still allowing common fixing that carries some thematics with it too.
>Danny
Comics are so weird. Wasn't there an Elemental in Ravnica that was basically an animated street too? This seems balanced to me, since the counter ability is so fucking expensive.

>>54080097
Lyev Skynight

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Still trying to get this to the finished pile, and still unsure if I should stick with this version, or the previous version that could get multiple counters from a single source of damage, but could only blow up one thing at a time.

>>54080851
Rumbling Slum? As for the land, do you think I should come up with another method to gather counters so it isn't so expensive? Or is this the best I can get for dealing with a land?

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>>54080991
>Human Bomb
I personally think a single counter per source is cleaner design. Cost-wise I think he's alright; you have to jump through some hoops to get the payoff.
>Danny
I can't think of a cheaper way, no. Sadly land abilities are always going to be expensive as hell. Though, you have me wondering about the potential of a land that has an ability where the cost is discarding other lands; a land Spellshaper, so to speak.

>>54079650
It's almost like a weird Izzet Mox, but also a kind of sac outlet if your spells would be countered?

Anyways, considering you have to cast and then exile at least one spell to get it producing any mana at all, it seems fine.

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>>54078969
Roland "Wee-Bey" Brice

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>>54082330
I hate burn and play Tron

>>54082768
whoops wasn't trying to roll again

>>54067753
Actually a really cool idea, but it needs some polishing. This is how I'd do it:

>Taichi, WBR 3/1
When ~ enters the battlefield, you may search your hand or library for an noncreature artifact card with converted mana less than or equal to Tacihi's power, and put it into your graveyard. If searched your library this way, shuffle it.

Whenever ~ attacks, you may return target noncreature artifact card from your graveyard to the battlefield. If it's an Equipment, you may attach it to a creature you control.

Fluff is different, but. I like it more; and it's more balanced :p

>>54070907
Eh. I'd rather flip and exile upon death. Also, that's Mothrider Samurai.

>>54071131
That's one weird card I didn't know.

>>54072574
This >>54073392

>>54073747
If you're the same guy sas the mothrider, this is a cool spin to the honor mechanic. The fact that you want it to be embalm like, fucks it up terribly.

>>54076628
Lmao. Fun.

>>54077944
I like it o.o

>>54078537
Hm. I get it. Don't like it that much tho :(

>>54079056
Sounds great, and it's actually shit. You're going to get the card that you want either way. Try this
>search three, opponent chooses one for each, no repeats
(to)
>Exile
>Hand
>Third from top of library (could do gy)

>>54079708
Love the name.

>>54080097
This is like. One of the most iconic RTR cards.

>>54080695
This is n i c e.

>>54080791
Don't tell me this is another real hero, CO-chan.

>>54081282
Ehhhhhhh. Ehhhhhhhhhhhh. I think it's too okay-ish for rare. And personally, while well costed, I'd just rather draw three with a 3U sorcery.

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>>54083082
>Amane
Nope, not the Mothrider guy. I was screwing around with an Honor/Honorable mechanic last thread but I tossed it because I don't really need it. The Dishonor mechanic I have is all I need; anything that's not dishonored is already honorable, essentially. I'm not sure if Amane works, but I hope it does, or something close.
>Brute
Thanks. Does the ability word sound at all interesting?
>Shrine
Alright, that's one that thinks it's OP and one that thinks it's fine. I'll have to gather more opinions but so far it's looking promising.
>Sage
Bumped it down to uncommon. I may or may not change "play" to "cast" to make it an actual drawback-ish feeling thing.

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Wanted to make an Ape Samurai, ended up with both these apes. Then I made a Samurai :p

>>54083354
>Shrine.
Look. It's good. For a standard environment, it can work pretty well.- even in the current standard. But ETB tapped is more than enough to balance it; it does nothing on its own.

>Sage
You gave me a really weird idea for your card.
>1UR 2/2
When you cast ~, exile the top two cards from your library.
When ~ ETBs, draw a card. Until end of turn, you may cast a single instant or sorcery card you own from exile. If you do, exile it as it resolves.
---
[theweirdbit]
[1BR], Exile ~ from the stack: Put two cards you own from exile into your hand.

>Market
Well dishonor is interesting. I'm having conflicting emotions, because it's falling into the Bushido category.- where the name itself is a detriment to its applications. That said, I'd make it just turn it face down, and change the name. Then you've got a really cool design space that mixes really well with current designs.

>>54083390
First So-Shi may be a bit much, considering you have a very specific window when you HAVE to remove it else it basically can't be killed. It's a clever idea though. Second So-Shi... I like the bushido idea, but the combo of Unearth and the provoke ability just feels forced to me. Also it's too cheap, I think. Yuujin might be too hard to use unless you give him Shroud. Then he's pretty efficient as a beatstick. It's flavorful, but I dunno where the green is. I'm guessing the not-quite-hexproof counter portion of the second ability?

>>54083445
>shrine
Alright. Well I like to collect as many opinions as I can, so you'll have to excuse me for not marking it finished just because you say it's fine. I'm just glad the concept seems to have promise.
>Sage
Lost me on that last part. I'm not doing shards, so sadly the 1BR can't be on the card. The idea of switching the cast to an instant or sorcery card appeals to me though; I may alter the card to do that and fiddle with the costing and whatnot.
>Market
Yeah I guess, but at least unlike Bushido the concept of honor is a bit more ubiquitous. I mean there's Honor of the Pure, Geist-Honored Monk, Aegis of Honor... etc etc. It'd be a lot less wonky to reuse it than Bushido, but it'd probably never be reused again since it's a mechanic tied to -1/-1 counters. By the way, the reason I used them was so that it could be a simple to implement Turn to Frog that's permanent. It felt better to do it this way because I don't need to use any do-nothing counters and you can use dishonor effects as removal if you dishonor something twice, which is kinda nice to me from a gameplay standpoint. I'm not sure how it doesn't mix any more or less with current face-down stuff as it is already though.

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>>54083465
Soshi's more of an experiment, the first version is a bit more viable though.

The green was more of a giant beatstick, essential indestructibility, along with green.

>>54083506
I meant UR, not BR x_x

>>54083526
along with black* Need my breakfast.

>>54083465
>>54083526
I should clarify that I don't think you should add Shroud to Yuujin, but that he's pretty risky unless you give it to him from an outside source.
>Sage
I see. That makes more sense.
>Stones
Graft reminder text needs an update. It's pretty strong in the right shell.

>>54079056
I want to see this as a Mystical Tutor//Fact or Fiction with fuse.

>>54066460
> Some creature types appear far more often in certain colors than others, or not at all in certain colors. Ergo, color pie.
In my opinion, not really. Not because two things are related to color that it means they are the same thing. I believe colorpie is more of what a color can and can't do mechanically, and can even involve creature type, but creature types are not part of the colorpie by themselves. One big different is that you can have a lot more flexibility about creature type than color-specific effects. Another is that creature type are more about flavor than about affecting the game (exception being on tribal sets and strong creature types). Its easy to stretch something flavor-wise, but stretch mechanics isn't that natural.

>>54074643
> but I can't use any of the +1/+1 counter stuff as long as dishonor uses -1/-1 counters. I'm guessing you think that should change though.
Nah, I was in a hurry, didn't think about that properly. I agree that you shouldn't use +1/+1 counters on your set. (though that idea could work as an aura that gives +5/+5)

> And as far as dishonoring a creature that's already dishonored, I thought about that. The result is it gets another -1/-1 counter then it dies due to SBA. That's what I want to happen, and it's a reason I really want dishonor to continue to function like it does.
Nice. I think this is a good way to handle double dishonor.

> The idea of it being temporary doesn't appeal to me because you can't just turn honor on and off like a light switch. It loses all meaning then.
I agree with you, anon. I think you are handling face down creatively and also by respecting other mechanics that previously used it

>>54080349
Shouldn't there be a trigger for the second ability?

>>54080695
Interesting, though it could be a bit strong for a common. I think if you want it to be common, it should give colorless mana.

>>54080791
I might be wrong, but I think as soon as it stops being a creature, it loses all +1/+1 counters, don't it? I'm really not sure, I would like to know how that works

>>54081282
Interesting.

>>54082647
That looks weird as an artifact, since its a normal human.

>>54083354
Interesting.

>>54083390
>So-Shi
interesting mechanic

> Yuujin
I think the first ability is unnecessary. You could either give it haste as part of the second ability, or just give it regular unconditional haste. Also, second ability sounds confusing and weird.

> #2 So-Shi
I liked the other one better. Also, the bushido seems quite strong.

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>>54081282
>I personally think a single counter per source is cleaner design. Cost-wise I think he's alright; you have to jump through some hoops to get the payoff.
Thanks.

>Danny
Yeah, kinda figured. Eh, I can live with it.

>card
Seems OK, I guess. It doesn't really have a downside, since letting you choose what gets exiled means you'll just choose something you plan to use later on anyway, probably a land.

>>54082768
Oh my god that first ability seems like a totaly pain in the ass. Also, what the fuck is with that ult? Why does it hit you too? And what makes you think exiling hands and libraries is White?

>>54083082
>That's one weird card I didn't know.
Weird cards are my specialty.

>Don't tell me this is another real hero, CO-chan.
Danny the Street was created for Doom Patrol, a superhero team known among comic fans for its weird concepts. Here's a brief excerpt from Wikipedia talking about a few of their villains.
>Red Jack is a near-omnipotent being who thinks he is both Jack the Ripper and God. He lives in a house without windows, torturing butterflies to create the pain he needs to survive.
>The Brotherhood of Dada are an anarchistic group who fight against reality and reason. It features members such as Sleepwalk, who can only use her tremendous powers when asleep (she takes sleeping pills and listens to Barry Manilow before battles), and The Quiz, who literally has "every superpower you hadn't thought of" and a pathological fear of dirt.
>The Scissormen, a race of beings that attack non-fictional beings in the "real world" (i.e., the world the Doom Patrol live in) with their large scissor-like hands and literally cut people out of reality.
Pic attached is another Doom Patrol villain

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>>54085000
>Shouldn't there be a trigger for the second ability?
Damn, thanks. That's what I get for copy-pasting.

>I might be wrong, but I think as soon as it stops being a creature, it loses all +1/+1 counters, don't it? I'm really not sure, I would like to know how that works
Nope, it keeps the counters. I'm honestly curious why you think it would lose them. The last ability only changes the land's types and gives it P/T, it doesn't say anything about counters.

And just so you know, pic related has this ruling
>3/1/2010: Any +1/+1 counters put on Raging Ravine remain on it even after it stops being a creature. They’ll have no effect until it becomes a creature again.

>>54085332
> Animal-Thing-Morething-Thingy
The 4/4 Golem seems a lot stronger than both other forms. "indestructible" is by far stronger than "trample" or/and "hexproof". He could be 3/3 or even 2/2 on the indestructible form. (I would go for 2/2). Actually, here a suggestion:
> Animal-Thing-Otherthing-Thingy, 1GG, Creature - Thingy, 2/2, "1G: Choose one: <cardname> get +4/+0 and has trample until end of turn; <cardname> get +0/+4 and has hexproof until end of turn; or <cardname> has indestructible until end of turn. Choose only one each turn."
You should review the wording, but I think this is far more interesting. It would let you mix stuff (in the picture, seems like he can mix shit up), as well as let you use it as response to your opponent's bullshits. Also, I think that giving the types is a bit too much, seems quite unnecessary really. People get the flavor already from the picture + ability. :)

>>54085369
>3/1/2010: Any +1/+1 counters put on Raging Ravine remain on it even after it stops being a creature. They’ll have no effect until it becomes a creature again.
I had my doubts, but I'm actually happy to know it works like this :) thanks anon (in my head it also makes sense to keep the counters, but sometimes my mind and WotC don't agree with each other haha)

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>>54087677
>Page 10 bump.

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>>54087677
Is the 'it' not ambiguous there?

Bizump

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>>54085000
>Serpentblood Shrine
How about something like this?
>Sage
>Guard
Ok.

>>54085332
>Sage
I changed it to be 1UR, 2/1, and exile an instant or sorcery. I think it's a bit spicier this way. It's also uncommon now but I could change it back.

>>54091574
Seems fine to me. Minor drawback for minor undercosting, since it'd be on-curve at 2GW.

>>54087677
I have never seen this dude before. Hm. I think I agree with >>54091574 that the "it" would be ~ instead, typically. Keep in mind, you can use @ to make sure it keeps the wordiness down too. Pretty sure you already know that though.

>>54094686
>I changed it to be 1UR, 2/1, and exile an instant or sorcery. I think it's a bit spicier this way. It's also uncommon now but I could change it back.
Please give me the exact text of the ETB ability.

>Robotman
I was thinking I might be able to get away with it with how Wizards seems to be making their wording less strict, but I will change it back. And yes, I know about @. I used it twice on the card.

>cards
I don't really know how to balance these, sorry. I will say though that BG seems nigh useless, WB uses a WU ability, and I'm pretty sure the dual lands from Theros all used Scry like the UR one.

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>>54096332
Here's the new sage.

As far as the dual lands are concerned, I was just concerned about being told they were a bit too good a few times. So I decided to see if I could make some decent filter lands that trade the limit of being able to only make two types of mana for having an ETB effec so they play nice with the themes of the set. I do want to make "new, speshul" common dual lands. Or.. maybe I should make fetches that have ETB abilities? Like Terramorphic Expanse, but each one only fetches two types of basic land corresponding to the enemy pairs, and it has an ETB besides that. The land you fetch ETBs tapped, of course.
>Robotman
You caught me jokin'. I mean if you have precedent for it being "it" then by all means. I'm just going off conditioning here.

>>54096451
Hm, now that I think about it I wonder if I should have this be "then discard a card unless blah blah exile...". As it is if you don't have an instant or sorcery you just draw two cards. That's kinda... bullshit. Dunno why I didn't see that at the time.

>>54096509
I was about to say this, but you caught it. Good on you.

>>54096521
I do right sometimes.

>>54096451
>then exile an instant or sorcery card from your hand
Ah, this is what I was afraid of. Your opponents have no idea what's in your hand, so you could just lie and ignore the downside. You'd either have to reveal your hand, or offer some sort of incentive to discard an I/S card. Something like Thirst for Knowledge. Which... Hmm, now I'm wondering if that could be a card by itself.
>1UR
>Instant
>Draw three cards. Then discard two cards unless you discard an instant or sorcery card.

>lands
You realize Wizards has already done this, right? Just look at those cards and compare power levels. But yeah, the hardest part is balancing the ETB ability with producing two colors.

>Robotman
Ah. But I will change it to use @, since the cards I was thinking of don't use the same context.

http://magiccards.info/query?q=o%3A%22%7E%3A+it+%22&v=card&s=issue

>>54096535
>You realize Wizards has already done this, right? Just look at those cards and compare power levels. But yeah, the hardest part is balancing the ETB ability with producing two colors.
I was perusing lands when I made them, yeah, but what specific ones are you talking about?

Old, but I still like it. And it's not like anyone will run a token deck without anthems.

Thousand-Arrow Yoichi 2WW
Legendary Creature- Human Samurai
~ can block any number of creatures.
First Strike
Whenever ~ blocks or is blocked by a creature, ~ deals 1 damage to that creature.
3/3

Honor Guard W
Creature- Human Samurai
Defender, Bushido 2
Whenever you take combat damage, sacrifice ~.
1/1

Immortal Blade of Manji 2
Legendary Artifact- Equipment
Indestructible
Equipped creature gets +2/+1 and has bushido 1.
Equipped creature has all abilities of creature cards exiled with ~.
Whenever equipped creature dies, exile it.
Equip 2

And for what I was going to ask about in general, are these too close to Mana Drain to be workable, or just useless?

Raise the Stakes 1R
Sorcery
Gain control of target land until end of turn. Untap it. It doesn't untap during it's controller's next untap step.

Claim Jumping 2RR
Sorcery
Gain control of up to three target lands you don't control until end of turn. Untap them. They don't untap during their controller's next untap step.

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>>54096592
There's another cycle from BFZ, but I didn't stitch that one together yet and PhotoJoiner gets weird when I try to put it together with these.

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>>54096592
>>54096675
And here's that cycle.

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>>54096598
>Yochi
Hory shet. This dude is nuts. You can't assume they're always going to have anthems even if it's a fixture of the archetype, so balancing around that notion is a bit of an issue, I think. Keep in mind he can divide damage too, so if he blocks three creatures, he hits them all for 2 before they can do anything back if they aren't First Strikers.
>Honor Guard
Simple concept, and pretty neat.
>Manji
Also pretty cool. Feels a touch cheap though. Maybe 3 to cast?
>Stakes
Eh. Stensia Innkeeper and Chandra's Revolution both imply that the "land freeze" ability is a staple-on at best, so it'd probably be R. Or it might cantrip at 1R.
>Jumping
This one seems properly costed, on the other hand.

>>54096675
>>54096694
ohhh, for some reason I thought you were talking about dual lands with ETBs. I was confused. Yeah I know about these, which is one reason I turned them into filter lands because I know as they were just straight up making both colors of mana they were too good by comparison. I posted it anyway because I just wanted to see if the push was possible. Here's what I was proposing as a potential change.

>>54080791
Nice reference. Grant Morrison is pleased.

>>54096728
>Yoichi
Tried to spice up defensive shenanigans, and they can always just not attack into the arrowstorm. I also find it hilarious that he can shoot down ball lightnings and the like.
>Honor Guard
Thanks.
>Manji
Will think.
>Land Grabs
Dunno about cantrips (don't want to give Storm any more toys), but it's really hard to figure a good angle. I had a previous version that awkwardly had to specify you were stealing lands you didn't control (it was costed like a ritual) to prevent too weird of shenanigans. For a continuation...

Theatrical Theft RR
Sorcery
Gain control of target noncreature permanent until end of turn. Untap it. It doesn't untap during it's controller's next untap step.

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>>54097006
>Theft
The idea that red can steal Enchantments with this is a bit humorous. The idea that said enchantment gets frozen is even moreso. I mean I don't think anyone would ever steal an Aura with it, but...

Have a spin on Corrupt Eunuchs.

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not samurai, but just outright fuck emblems

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how bad is this?

>>54098982
If it's intended as a joke, it needs reminder text that it's black
Also, not deal damage, lose life, direct damage is red. There's a difference

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Be gentle?

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some of these are reprints or functional reprints. I included them 'cause...

>>54079056
am i not reading it correctly? isn't this just a tutor that also exiles two cards from your library as a downside?
isn't that a lot of effort from both players just for a tutor?

>>54099813
>tomeatog
>more than 15 damage alone

that doesn't sound healthy.

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What do you all think? Only the mechanic matter, flavor text, name and sometimes images are placeholders.

>>54102707
>bearer of the blue flame
>scry 1 for each
i am not sure but i think it's better worded as scry "X where X..."
>U symbol
i like it, but there is a precedent for "blue mana symbol": http://magiccards.info/query?q=%21Light+from+Within
>it's
"its"
>powerlevel
i think the dude it's pretty fucking strong, but perhaps acceptable.It would definitely be ok to restrict him to blue istant or sorceries.

>Autumnal sprite
while there have been green 1/1 flier, it's a bit of a bend to give green such a strong one. the card is quite efficient but shouldn't be broken.
>add mana... if the revealed card is a land...instead
it's better to reverse the text IMHO "if it's a land you put it in your hand, otherwise you add mana".not all players know or remember that lands are colorless and the wording could confuse them

>High tide fairy
>Nymph
are nymphs faeries? i lost my ancient greece and fantasy racebook, but i would say no.
>"high-tide"
while the name is good it's a bit sad to see a card named high tide that has nothing to do with the original and iconic " high tide" card
>below the top three card
"fourth from the top". for wording see Oust or http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=426706
>your library
NOPE. it's owner's library.
>power level
sounds fine and quite interesting desu.

nice pics on all of them.

>>54103092
Thanks!

The wording is 100% WIP, i made these cards by looking a cool art and creating a card for it, flavor first. So these a just basic ideas at this point.

Bearer only working with instant/sorceries would certainly be a great way to nerf it if he's too strong. Ty for the idea.

Sprite shouldnt be hybrid at all i think. But the effect is really green and the flying is really blue. I really like the design so it's hard to change it...

Yep the concept behind Fairy is cool, but i really have to playtest it.

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Wanted to do Agent Venom, and this idea popped into my head. Not sure if it's good or not, but decided I might as well try it out.

>>54102472
You'd be throwing 42 cards into exile into a super-squishy body, leaving you with about 8 or 9 cards in your library if you attacked with it on turn 4.

>>54099798
Ring of Moonlight having Transcend and Reweave is because I'm trying to decide between the two mechanics, and posted 'em here for critique.

>>54104450
I think you could lower his indestructible cost to just WB. Overall he seems a bit overcosted for a 3/3 that does nothing when he's not blocked/blocking.

>>54099813
>Leap of Logic
Might want to take "Cards with flashback connot be cast" out of reminder and just put it on the card, as there's no innate ruling that Flashback cards can't be cast when cards can't be exiled from your graveyard.

>Misthollow
Seems fine.

>Voidborn
You could probably get away with making this cost U, or at least 1U. See Kraken Hatchling.

>Tomeatog
Hard for me to gauge how strong this is.

>Lands
Seem interesting.

>Memory Trawler
I'm not sure this fits into green. Since it goes into the library, it might.

>Inkflame
Could probably get away with its activated ability costing 1 or, alternatively, lowering the CMC.

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Finally made some cards more in tune with the edition

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>>54107964

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>>54107976
and lastly a phyrexia-kamigawa walker cause why the fuck not since wizards likes crankin em out

>>54104856
Chronatog was playable in eternal formats. Let that sink in for a moment, then re-evaluate your card.

>>54107669
Memory Trawler is a reprint of Riftsweeper, only with different creature types. Definitely gonna rework and rename Leap. That's just the working title for now.

Tomeatog seems to be the most problematic one. I'm starting to agree. I included it mainly 'cause I like the art.

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>>54067225
Rate my talent

Protip: you can't

>inb4 you are a nigger
>inb4 kys
>inb4 the World is not ready for this

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Another go at this. Idea now is to try to represent Venom eating someone and getting stronger. Though I admit it doesn't fit Flash's take on Venom all that much, might use it for Eddie Brock instead. Hmm, or Carnage perhaps.

>>54067281
Shit
>>54067753
Foul
>>54070404
kys
>>54070907
Pathetic
>>54071013
nigger/10 no pic
>>54072574
Repugnant
>>54073747
Deviantard
>>54076628
Embarassing
>>54077061
4 times shit
>>54077083
total cancer
>>54077700
>>54079056
>>54082768
>>54107964
>>54108872
Please stop

>>54109826
ABSOLUTELY AND UTTERLY PRETTY GOOD

>>54109826
Hey this is amazing, good work!

>>54109826
This is the future I can't believe it, MTG take notes

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Uh so I was fooling around with a new keyword idea. Feedback?

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>>54112442
Another example, because I made that card before afflict came out and it seems very similar. I think feint could potentially have mana costs attached to it, and in many cases should. Valuing combat damage is hard but i think the general idea would be to have increased benefit with increased power of the creature that is feinting.

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>>54078969
Lets have a go.

>>54112442
>>54112765
IF ~ would deal combat damage...
You want it to be a replacement effect, as preventing combat damage after it's already dealt is not that big a downside. Though this does prevent you from targeting with the feint abilities.

Alternatively, you make feint a keyword that just lets you prevent damage, and then have triggered abilities when you feint, like exploit.

>>54112442
>>54112765
I'm not a huge fan of using damage prevention for this, since prevention can be circumvented with certain cards. I think I'd use something like
>Whenever ~ attacks and isn't blocked, you may have it feint. If you do, [...] (A feinted creature is removed from combat.)
And just remove it from combat entirely. But that's just me.

And as for Shieldmistress, what is its purpose? Why give it protection basically by the time combat is over?

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>>54113008
I couldn't come up with a good name. Lets try again.

>>54099787
I like disintegrate, but I'm not totally sure about the rest of it. Interesting ideas though, and I'd love to see some more concrete cards for the tribes.

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>>54113272
Actually a little difficult to do with nightmare mode.

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>>54113450

>>54078969
Roll it up

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>>54113674
Oops

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>>54113589
One more before I go to bed.

>>54113983
Way too little energy to repeatedly clone things, and is in no way black.

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>>54113686
Tried to make a sort of limited directional card, RG was energy aggro so. I wish I could have made the card feel a little more johnny-ish. I tried to have spellbomb type pay M or N and get both if you pay MN but I couldn't get that to less than 9 lines

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>>54114046
Forgot to roll again

>>54114046
Seems really expensive for an aggro deck.

>>54114046
Why is drawing a card a may effect?

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>>54114257
Originally had it as rummaging but decided against it and forgot to fix it

>>54114288
>>54114257
Just made a similar mistake here, let's see if someone sees it

>>54114288
Can't get the text any shorter but I like this ability so whatever

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>>54114718

>>54076628
>mister million
>1,000,005
you had one job my dude

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Because the mechanic I thought Eternalize was going to be was actually a thousand times better than what ended up being.

>>54114046
>>54114288
>>54114725
Please stop using MTG art.

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>>54113258
Doesn't removing it from combat also protect it? That wouldn't really work for the purposes of making combat damage a tradeoff- by removing it from combat they would never be able to be killed by combat damage right?

>>54113154
I was trying to hit as close to exert as possible, seeing as right now exert COULD be used as a targeted effect. Could you explain more how you would template feint as just a damage prevention effect?

Here's current updated format.

>>54116934
>they would never be able to be killed by combat damage right?
>and isn't blocked

>>54116435
>hey guize look how smart i am! =D

>>54117287
Oh yeah well then that is just a different effect entirely than what I wanted. That's just reverse afflict. Feint ideally happens whether you are blocked or not, so that you might trade your creature for the effect if it is more valuable in that situation.

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Another go at Warmachine. Again, this version is based on the Dark Reign period where he had the Stanetech armor, which allowed him to basically assimilate any advanced technology into his armor. The idea was pretty cool, I think. Added the last bit just because I thought it needed something more, to be honest. Might remove it or replace it with something entirely. Maybe an ability that grants him keywords if he has so many equipment attached to him.

>>54117867
Hmm, then let's try
>If ~ would deal combat damage, you may have it feint. If you do, [...]. (A feinted creature assigns no combat damage.)
Of course you get to the strange scenario where you have a creature with Double Strike, which decides to deal regular combat damage during the First Strike phase, then feints during the regular combat damage phase.

>>54117867
>>54118096
Another thing on Feint: You could also let it feint for whenever it would deal combat damage. This does mean though that you could have multiple Feint triggers per combat.

>>54118096
That was exactly one application of feint i was looking into. Seemed cool as hell.

>>54118109
How is this different than what I have now? I had originally had it worded as whenever, but i don't really understand the implications of whenever vs if. If was suggested to make it a replacement effect, but the keyword is supposed to prevent combat damage being dealt by the creature anyway, so I'm not sure i HAVE to use the word if.

>>54118457
This would be what both those changes look like, and it seems right insofar as I can tell.

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>>54118484
herp

>>54118457
>>54118493
When I don't use >, don't copy exactly what I say, interpret it, think for yourself. Replacement effects still use "if" not "when" or "whenever". I was talking about wording
>If ~ would deal combat damage, you may have it feint
vs.
>If ~ would deal combat damage to a permanent or player, you may have it feint
(The second wording is what I was getting at with >>54118109) The thing about combat damage is that it's all simultaneous (First Strike damage is separate from regular combat damage, but even then each one is simultaneous). Let's say we get a creature with Feint that's blocked by two different creatures. Let's ignore the exact P/T here but assume it has enough power to hit both blockers. AFAIK, the first wording would mean that you could have it feint once, and all combat damage it would deal to both of them would have no damage assigned to them. But with the second wording, you could make it feint on one, but not the other. Or you could have it feint on both and get two feint triggers.

>>54118493
>>54118628
On the creature used in my theoretical model, I'm assuming it doesn't have Double Strike.

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>>54118628
>>54118739
I wasn't considering the possibility of feinting only for part of the combat damage. Didn't realize that was like, possible. Option two is kind of bonkers.

This is my first attempt at using feint with double strike. Not sure if my current wording on feint allows for this though. I feel like it should specify which combat damage is prevented. like "prevent the next combat damage a feinted creature would deal."

>>54119278
>Whenever ~ would deal
Replacement effect. What did I saw about this in my last post?

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>>54119376
Ok but like, the second question in that post. the keyword seems too open ended right now for Redplate Marauder to work

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Is there any way of making a stronger "Fuck you I'm gonna cast creatures and do green things and you can't stop me" effect to this card? The point is not giving Green any sort of extra turn, just making it mostly impossible for their creatures to get countered, bounced, exiled, all that stuff during your own turn since you're hidden so far off in the woods, but couldn't someone cast a Cyclonic rift in response to the untap step and get around it anyway?

The Vichehold is a forest on par with Krosa for flavor

>>54119458
Getting around all forms of removal is a fool's errand. Make an uncounterable spell that makes your creature spells uncounterable for a turn. It's not perfect, but nothing is.

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>>54119501
But then they just get bounced, or exiled, or polymorphed. By turning everything green at the start of your turn there's nothing they can do but act in response, which seems to be the best I can think of in terms of locking out opponents in a way that's still Green.

>>54120085
That's supposed to be "Other Treefolk you control" but I dun goofed with the editing and saving

>>54098814
Just no. Emblems are intentionally uninteractable.

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>>54120085
What did I just say about getting around all forms of removal? Look, Progenitus can be dealt with in a hundred different ways. Nothing is impossible to remove.

However... the closest you could get is with the wording
>can't leave the battlefield
I don't recommend you use it, however.

>>54120662
Before anyone asks, this is legit Magic wording, this was made by Wizards. However, it was made as part of a Theros challenge deck. The idea is essentially Archenemy, except instead of a player being the common enemy, it's a challenge deck, which is made to run itself.

>>54121807
The basic idea is, that you can cast these cards for free and you try to kill the enemy in 5 turns. Im not that familiar with wording, so if the effects do not work as I said, then I apologise.
I like the abilities to pay life to get stronger;high risk high reward.

>>54119457
Wayy too pushed for 2 cmc, even with its "downside".

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>>54123724
>When you mess up the very first sentence and notice it a microsecond after posting

Well it enchants creatures

>>54116435
While Legacy is more interesting, how did you even come to this conclusion when Adorned Pouncer never had that third ability?

>>54123724
Sounds like a "Target player loses the game." with a few extra steps.

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>>54124335
That particular card is from a set I've been brain storming, badly named EDH Nexus, where it's like preconstructed EDH decks from certain planes, but with the power levels played up to timmy levels (nexus of mana being why, kinda like Zendikar but applied to other planes). This one being Lorwyn, those Kithkin could very easily be 7/7 double strikers when they hit the field, tribal is a huge deal in the decks.

If I post in these threads I should disclaimer all my cards are EDH fodder because I play that the most. This is the Kithkin lord on the other side (It's green vs white, Kithkin fighting Treefolk since everyone is strong and mad).

>>54120688
They did actually playtest it in a real set (I forget the name, had sort of a viral ish sound iirc, like Strain or somehing maybe), it was in EMN and Emrakul had it. I can assume they probably dont ever plan to use it though because they didnt bother to censor or otherwise hide it.

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A card I've messed with for a while for funzies. It was made to be a card I could possibly one day print for my friends or as a commander as a card anyone could use so we could sort of have a card as a whole.

>>54125912
Memory issues everywhere. The effects are lackluster. Two Xs in the cost means you can only pay mana in even-numbered increments.

>>54121807
A few things. First, this wording is awful. Second, these are busted as fuck. Third, you can't pay life if you can't lose life. Citation: Platinum Emperion.

>>54123724
It's MosswOrt, first of all. And I'm not a fan of this design at all, it just screams "break me" I think I'd like it more if it gave the pump ability to the enchanted creature. And just give it Indie instead of Regen, since the troll basically has Indie anyway. And why are these Kithkin so buff?

>>54123834
I don't understand this. What is the intended use of this?

>>54124592
I like the idea of having these Lorwyn-Shadowmoor lords, but I dunno, I feel like this just doesn't fit Kithkin to me.

But I'm really curious where you go from here. Are you going to focus on the Lorwyn side or the Shadowmoor side? Or maybe mix them up, maybe focus on the main color of each tribe?

>>54126481
Seems cool.

>Firey Equilibrium 1RW
>Enchantment
>If a land would enter the battlefield under an opponent's control that wasn't the first land played that turn, you may search your library for a basic land card and put it onto the battlefield tapped, unless that player has ~ deal 3 damage to that player.

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>>54127070
Too slow to hose fetches in modern/legacy. Not enough life loss to deter EDH players.

>>54127100
How would you fix?

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>>54126593
The effect is supposed to be big and huge, I mean Mosswort (fixed the spelling) added +20/+20, that's over the top for the sake of green, and that's what I was going for with the enchantment. The Kithkin are buff because they realize it's a huge threat and send a squad of their finest soldiers (everything is stronger here because of zendikar like mana leylines) to deal with it (and then they get eaten and you gain life).

>I feel like this just doesn't fit Kithkin to me.

I'd have like to do something in flavor with the Thoughtweft but I can't think of anything that's not just a copy of new Odric, so I just went with "community" dialed up to 11 with anthems and buffs.

>Are you going to focus on the Lorwyn side or the Shadowmoor side? Or maybe mix them up, maybe focus on the main color of each tribe?

Lore says the Great Aurora doesn't happen anymore, so there technically isn't both anymore (I guess?), just a regular day/night cycle, so maybe that means a mix of both planes. And I'll be focusing on color yeah, usually mono colors fighting other mono colors (in the precon deck context) fighting against the other since excess mana build up has resulted in everyone being stronger and more elementals being formed. This also ramps up tribalism and racism, which plays a big part

>>54127146
I'd make a Burgeoning variant instead.

>>54127266
Mossbridge Troll required significant hoops to jump through to get +20/+20. Your invocation just requires 5 mana and you threw in trample for free.

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>>54078969
Let's roll this shit.

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>>54127351
Well perfect, I have one already half finished and ready!

Ach!

>>54127266
Did you read my post? My suggestion was to give the enchanted creature Mossbridge's pump. Also, what >>54127318 said. And as for buff Kithkin, the one time they had P/T greater than 3/3 is Thoughtweft Trio, which is justified since it's a Champion. You're just saying "Because reasons" which makes me wonder why you don't just change the types around and set things on Zendikar. Do you actually want to make good cards that accurately represent the tribes from Lorwyn-Shadowmoor or not?

>>54127266
>>54127431
OK, I did miss Battletide Alchemist. But my point still stands since that's only 3/4.

>>54127408
Ult isn't green.
3 cmc yet +1 isn't good in the early game.
Very high starting loyalty to offset that the -1 is the only thing you can really do.

>>54127516
Yeah, was trying to make a Goyf-themed walker, but that ult needs retooling. Any suggestions for something to stack graveyards in his favor?

>>54127574
Not him, but have you considered making Lhurgoyf tokens?
>Create a green Lhurgoyf creature token. Its power and toughness are each equal to the number of creature cards in all graveyards.
Not an exact match, I know.

>>54127574
>>54127634
Oh whoops, I think that should be
>[...] token with "This creature's power and toughness are each equal to the number of creature cards in all graveyards."

>>54127634
Ooh, I like that. Undercut the ult's cost so that he can effectively do the same thing Gideon, Ally of Zendikar does with those emblems, but with Goyfs.

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>>54127318
Fair enough, what about 7 mana? The text box is already pretty full so I could probably see ditching the kithkin life gain to add some kind of requirement, but I can't think of anything that fits. Tapping creatures makes it into a wall of text and it looks like shit.

Mossbridge Troll has more hoops but it also doesn't give your opponent 20 power and defense in a tribe that buffs its creatures real well, that's the trade off.

>>54127408
Seems like it should be Golgari instead of mono green?

>>54127431
>"Because reasons"

The reason is because the custom cards are set in a plane where power levels are dialed up. Kithkin are a close knit family type community that's monowhite, why are strong anthems not representative of the race at all? Lorwyn is now a place where Treefolk are actively growing groves of soldiers to fight Kithkin, while Kithkin are training every day like their village is about to be literally run over by a forest.

I like the setting, and if it were Kamigawa Nexus you'd have Samurais that did stronger things as well, though I admit a lot of this is just throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks. I'm not brushing off the things people say, I post here for the criticisms, these cards are just made for a precon EDH Timmy deck is all, not any other environment.

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The speedforce can be used to give or take away speed. This is my attempt at displaying that. Hopefully the wording here makes it clear that not all the targeted permanents have to either all untap or all tap, and that you can tap or untap different permanents at once.

>>54128212
You choose targets before the ability resolves, thus for his first attack you can't choose any targets.

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>>54128280
Good catch, thanks. I'll see what I can come up with to get around that. But otherwise, do you think the ability has merit?

>>54128212
Needs to be red. UG can't have haste (G can barely have it)

>>54128510
>do you think the ability has merit?
It's alright, but totally in the wrong colors. Green/blue doesn't want that ability, but red/white does.

>Grifter
Remove haste (and don't replace it with anything). You're not going to attack without having ample mana to protect him.

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Alternatively, it ETB with one speed counter on it, attack trigger just tap/untaps for each speed counter on it, then it gets a speed counter at the end.

Also, finally got some better art.

>>54128527
>>54128548
I'm not sure about mono-Red or RW. Maybe UR?

>Grifter
OK, thanks, makes sense.

>>54128596
I feel like these abilities should give the tokens a set color and type. Maybe Mutant? And that the first should just be
>Choose another target creature. Create a green Mutant creature token with power equal to that creature's power, and toughness equal to that creature's toughness.
Or something. Could be wrong though.

>>54128633
Eh... I think it's OK?

>>54128702
Swear I've seen this before. If not this card, then this art. Anyway, card seems interesting enough.

>>54067281
Needs an "as long as ~ is attacking" or reword it to work on defense as well.

>>54073747
This breaks too many things for little gain. For instance, what do you do with a manifested sorcery?

>>54077944
Neat

>>54078537
Locking down two blockers each attack is very strong at 3 mana, regardless of all the other goodies he has.

>>54079650
Would be better as an artifact.

>>54083390
the Deathless is very strong for how cheap it is.

>>54083526
Design is at odds with itself. It wants to come down early to give other creatures counters, but has to come down late to get counters in the first place.

>>54085332
"As enters" is replacement effect. "At the beginning of your upkeep" is a triggered ability. You can't mix them together.

>>54097587
You should put the choose target part in front for clarity, since you don't get to decide what to target once you know how many cards to bottom.

>>54131157
>For instance, what do you do with a manifested sorcery?
I guess I didn't do a good enough job with the reminder text on that. I'll try to fix it up. I do want to keep it if I can, or make it work along a similar vein.
>targeting
I can change it around, yeah. "Choose target creature" then the requisite followup text oughta do it, yeah?

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>>54131157
>"As enters" is replacement effect.
Since when? Are you thinking of something like this?

>>54131157
>Needs an "as long as ~ is attacking" or reword it to work on defense as well.
I lifted the wording from Butcher Orgg, which seems to imply that it only works on attack. I think I will try to add a blockers ability though.

>Locking down two blockers each attack is very strong at 3 mana, regardless of all the other goodies he has.
I'll try going about it another way that's less oppressive then.

>"As enters" is replacement effect. "At the beginning of your upkeep" is a triggered ability. You can't mix them together.
I'm pretty sure "as" isn't a replacement ability, but I'm going to change how it works anyway. Still having trouble coming up with good bodies though.

>>54124197
Because of how Bestow works.

>>54117755
I am. Thanks.

>>54133431
Well that's pretty dumb, considering that Bestow isn't just reminder text.

>>54128212
> Barry Allen, the Flash
> UG
> Not having "Flash"
wut

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>Eddie Brock was the first host of Venom, though he eventually got rid of the symbiote. What he didn't know was that parts of the symbiote were still present in his bloodstream, just inactive. After being affected by Mr. Negative's powers, the symbiote remnants attached themselves to his white blood cells, transforming Eddie into Anti-Venom, granting him many of the powers he had as Venom, as well as new powers allowing him to cure others of their impurities (counter-removal).

Anyway, I guess I'm mostly concerned about the counter-removal ability. I want it to be useful without being too powerful, or without making the ability so integral to AV that he can't function without stealing counters.

>>54133515
I've never really seen much reason to give the Flashes, well, Flash, since none of them have ETB abilities. Plus most of them don't have G or U, and I even changed that one to UR. You can see the updated version here >>54128866

>>54133467
That could be. It's also beyond-way-fucking-tarded to make a mechanic like Eternalize. And I liked Embalm. Which by the way, was done by /tg/ around 18 months ago.

>>54133878
/tg/ did a project? Like, jointly?

>>54134852
No like a guy in these threads came up with an idea and it made it into the game at a later stage but WIZARDS WOULDN'T STEAL IDEAS FROM THE HACKER KNOWN AS 4CHAN and it's just a coincidence.

I'm not even that guy who claims to have made it, but as someone who's spent a lot of time on /vg/ I'm entirely convinced game devs regularly browse reddit and 4chan for the odd good or interesting idea, the blood diamond among the aids if you will.

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>>54134852
>>54134852
No, it was a mechanic an anon made. I think it might've been Time anon, I'll see if I can find it in his sets. But it's very similar to Embalm, just without the stuff that changes type, color, and mana cost.

But on the other hand "Flashback for creatures" isn't exactly a novel idea, convergent design does exist. Pic related.

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>>54134852
>>54135020
Ah, here it is. And yup, it is from Time anon's second time set, color me shocked.

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>>54135079
Yep. Another anon made a Crew mechanic which was better than WotC's with a really similar concept. And I came up with Spell Mastery about a year before Origins. There's many one of's from /tg/ that are in sets aswell.

Like this >pic, which when Great Oak Guardian I felt someone was taking the mickey out of me.

>>54135020
That was my post :3

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>>54136198
This is the Undying/Monstrous I had made.

It even says whenever. 10/10
goodol'.

Can a creature change it's colour upon becoming a planeswalker?

>>54137801
Like, a DFC creature to planeswalker card? Sure, I guess. But you'd need to have a good reason for it.

>>54137839
What I am doing is a sadistic UB general with "Shroud Defender Clip 2
When a creature is put in the graveyard from play, put an ammo counter on General Otto von Geobls.
Remove an Ammo counter from General Otto von Geobls,{t} : Tap or Untap target permanent." that will become RB upon becoming a planeswalker.

>>54137933
I mean, sure you can do it. But why make it change colors in the first place? Like, if the personality of the character changes, why represent it with one card? Look at how Sarkhan changed over time.

>>54132358
>614.1. Some continuous effects are replacement effects. Like prevention effects (see rule 615), replacement effects apply continuously as events happen—they aren’t locked in ahead of time. Such effects watch for a particular event that would happen and completely or partially replace that event with a different event. They act like “shields” around whatever they’re affecting.
>614.1c Effects that read “[This permanent] enters the battlefield with . . . ,” “As [this permanent] enters the battlefield . . . ,” or “[This permanent] enters the battlefield as . . . ” are replacement effects.

>>54138020
it is a part of a WWI themed set I've been working on.
http://imgur.com/a/1Jzhf

>>54138211
Well that's weird and unintuitive. What is it replacing? Nothing?

>>54138249
It's replacing the act of entering the battlefield, with the act of entering the battlefield plus an additional effect. "As enters" effects would make way less sense if they were triggered abilities.

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>>54138867
Just any combat damage? Not combat damage specifically to a player?

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>>54139256

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>>54139276
>http://imgur.com/a/1Jzhf

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>>54139300

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>>54139256
You made this in 2013? Have you been working on this set for four years?

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>>54139335
Clip X (* enters the battlefield with X ammo counters), unless otherwise stated, "Remove an ammo counter" as an ability cost always refers to the card it is written on.

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>>54139355
no, but the engine I use to make cards doesn't allow for mythical "A", so I just change to the first option that allows mythical on the drop down menu, which just so happens to be 2012

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>>54139408
I only made this card, because I felt there wasn't enough "Magic" in my set

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>>54139525
Accidently posted the old version. Occupy was just too OP

this is the current version

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>>54139556
Fun fact, most of these card's art is made by WWI era artists.

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>>54139582

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>>54139605
first reprint

>>54139582
>>54139556
>>54139525
>>54139493
>>54139480
>>54139464
>>54139430
>>54139408
>>54139364
>>54139335
>>54139323
>>54139300
>>54139276
>>54139256
http://old.photojoiner.net/

There's an image limit dumbass and some of us like to post cards to

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>>54139628
Another scrapped mechanic: Hype. Basicly I wanted to reward players with giving information to their opponent

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>>54139639
Oh sorry.
I have an imgur link to the set here http://imgur.com/a/1Jzhf

>>54139639
>Implying we won't hit the autosage first and then make a new thread

>>54139687
Yeah we know you have an imgur gallery. You only posted it three times.

>>54139694
Shhh, you might give him ideas

>>54139687
>Ancient Lancers
I'm very glad you scrapped this.

>Bullet Spirit
I... what? And why are you using P/T counters that aren't +1/+1 counters or -1/-1 counters?

>Bursting Shell
>unless it is controller
Out of all the common English mistakes I see, misuse of the apostrophe pisses me off the most. In terms of wording, you have quite a way to go. How long have you been designing custom cards, and how long have you been into Magic? Because one of the basic rules is that cards only ever go into their owner's hand, graveyard, or library. I'm not totally sure on the card itself, I just don't know if the bounce is good enough to actually be effective.

>Canine Support Unit
Needs a trigger. And better wording. Let's try
>When ~ enters the battlefield, put an ammo counter on target creature. Regenerate that creature.
Also, Regen died years ago, Wizards uses Indestructible now. There's an article in the OP that Wizards did about color pie mechanics that should get you caught up to speed with what's going on now.

>Devastated Battlements
Eh, no idea, sorry. Though I feel like it should have a completely separate ability.
>T, Exile a creature card from your graveyard: Add 1B to your mana pool.

>Drill Seargent
Misspelled, "Sergeant". This doesn't work as you think it does, since you could have creatures attack, then activate this ability. Gaining Defender doesn't remove a creature from combat. It's actually kinda interesting. "This creature can't attack/block" are better understood as reading it as "This creature can't be declared as an attacker/blocker", since you could quite easily put a creature with Defender onto the battlefield attacking with an effect like Alesha. Additionally, with stuff like Meandering Towershell, the first time it attacks it triggers stuff that care about attacking, like Raid. But when it comes back to the battlefield on your next turn, it doesn't, because it wasn't declared as an attacker.