40k 8th Edition T3 Humanity Thread Guard, Inquisition, Sisters,

>>54055582
Do you know by chance how are Skitarii rangers and vanguard? Heard there were some nerfs but I don't know any stats.

>>54055676
https://mega.nz/#F!64wmnBZR!rWcm37EkOOeToeueqhPjpA
Rules are there. I don't know how they are.

>>54055582
>all gonna get Squatted to make room for more huegmehrines

>>54056021
After all the Manlet Marines get upgraded to Chad Marines, the old power armor will be given to Guardsmen and they will become Guard Marines. Skitarii and other Admech units will get new crafted bodies to be bigger and strong to become Robot Marines. Sisters will get testosterone to become Tranny Marines.

>>54055582
now that lasguns can pop baneblades the humble t3 str 3 guardsman got a whole lot stronger

I am going to run some napoleon-themed guard. Infantry in double or triple-depth lines with a character on one end, lots of rough riders for cavalry, big artillery at the back for killing hard targets.

How viable is this likely to be?

>>54056086
Stop giving Ward ideas, you bastard!

>>54057610
Never! Marine hammer will happen thanks to Lord Ward!

>>54056766
Rough Riders are good, infantry is good, artillery is good. Everything seems to check out.

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Would it be effective to run an Admech army with Space Marine allies for some flyer and deep strike support? I haven't played before but I'm interested in starting admech and it's the one thing they seem to lack. I think the Iron Hands and some metalica admech would look pretty good together.

>>54056766

Gun-line IG is unfortunately still one of the most expensive armies in 40K.

Plus unless you want to spend stupid amounts of money you tend to be locked into Cadians sculpts which are the most boring IG faction (although Catachans are also pretty shit).

Mordians or Praetorians are probably the closest in looks to Napoleonic but you would be spending silly amounts of money on building either.

>>54059133
I play Inquisition Guard and Ministorum and with all my conversions and tons of bodies, I've dropped so much money. It's ridiculous.

>>54055676
Skit troops are 6"move, 3+bs, 3T, 4+ save. 6-7 Ld. Our boys no long have feel no pain and the guns are 4 or 3 STR, 0 ap and 1dam.

>>54059133
Perry/other historical minis would be fine. Buy piles of Las guns on ebay, and since historicals are so cheap you'll end up the same or better price than cadians.

>>54060046

At least Ministorum stronk right now until crusaders and arco-flagelants get nerfed with a update.

>>54055676

Skitarii player here. The loss of the special rules that gave us more speed than average hurts us. We're on average with the other foot sloggers now, and we have no transports. So lack of mobility is bad for us. Vanguard don't shit out quite as many wounds as they used to, but they still do their job pretty well. We lost feel no pain, but the removal of the instant death rule really helps us actually so it evens out. Overall I feel like we are in a decent place, but we are even more heavily dependent on gun lines than before since we are less mobile. I see rangers picking up popularity since their range will make them more useful compared to the vanguard who will have difficulty getting into range.

>>54060217

Most historicals aren't anywhere close to 28mm. There are off-brand sculpts of course but if you want 100% GW approved non-Cadian IG it's insanely pricey.

>>54059067

I used guard as my allies personally and then fluffed them as tech thralls, but you could do iron hands. I think it would work pretty well. It depends on exactly how you wanted to do it. Why do you want to add in allies? What do you see them doing for you?

>>54060251
>>54060251
They definitely won't be nerfed. No one uses them, just like no one uses Inquisitors and Acolytes. People like to think shit gets nerfed, but it won't until next edition.

>>54060280
Perry make good sculpts. Sort of DKOK in proportion.

But yeah, GW only puts a damper on that.

>>54060383

I do in fact use them. I fucking love them so much. Crusaders in a rhino is wonderful these days.

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>>54060444
I've used them one game and they are amazing. I was really happy with Bullgryn too. I used some tzeentch acolyte models for Crusaders this game, but I chopped them up to look a little different after this game.

>>54060504

I kitbashed my crusaders out of Grey Knights, Scions, and Sigmarines, with a bit of green stuff. I really like em.

>>54060317
As >>54060273 said, the admechs problem is mobility, my thinking is space marine allies would give them some good deep striking (terminators) air support (stormavens) or outflanking(landspeeders) options. As I said, I've never played before, but as far as I can tell it would be the best way to bolster an Admech army. Besides throwing in an imperial knight.

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with this any 'other' wording- the squad doesnt have a sargeant, can i simply take 4 sniper rifles with my 4 vets? or does it simply mean any that hasnt taken a heavy weapon?

>>54060273
Don't forget that Arquebuses are crazy good now. Being able to pick of characters is crucial.

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>>54060609
That sounds awesome. I'd love to see them. This is how mine turned out. I also use Sisters of Thorn as Rough Riders and Witch Elves as Death Cult Assassins. Going for a whole religious feral world thing with them.

>>54060619

Have you considered Ironstriders? I use a large number, and they are still really fast, and a lot more durable than they used to be. A decent sized group of those is a pretty serious threat that can draw attention of of the rest of you army and do some serious work. That and they are still pretty cheap points wise.

>>54055582
Are GSC allowed here? We're about as human as Admech.

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Any other krieg players hype for this edition. Only thing I was disappointed by was the bizarre removal of the hades drill from the krieg specific list and the inability of engineers to ride it into combat.

>>54060727

What are the autogun sculpts like in your kits? How many in the box? How hard to convert to standard IG if I want something other than Cadian lasguns?

>>54060755

Haven't seen the Krieg stuff yet. I've been seriously considering building a Krieg army for years, it's just i haven't been able to save up for it yet. How much did it set you back all told?

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>>54060687

Don't have a picture of the finished product on me right now, but this is what i had made.

>>54060620
yes

command squads are just special weapon squads with better BS and no spare bodies to catch bullets

>>54060772
The sculpts are stellar, but a lot of the hands have very slight claws. A bit of filing and the right paint job could turn the carapace into a carapace plate.

Big problem is the shoulder. Cadians sculpts are fucking giant.

>>54060816
That's cute/10. Good job.

>>54060848
Are command squad snipers ever worth taking over ratlings?

>>54060921

They can receive orders, don't know if that's worth it but its something.

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>>54060710
Yeah, I definantly want to use some of those. Which would you recommend? The Ballistarii have a couple nice guns and the Dragoons sound cool, but I know haywire is sadly no longer a thing.

>>54060913

I'm told it reminds people of digger knight.

>>54060972
>can't unsee the gimpsuit

>>54060816
fuck that's a big sword.

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post rough/death riders

>pic related, Lord Inquisitor Phisticus

Chaos Chosen models when?

>>54061043
Where is that model from? I have to know.

>>54061098
It's a Dark Elf Cold One rider with a Skitarii helm, Scion arm + powerfist.

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>>54061043
>no rough riders with special weapons and missile launchers

>>54061125
I'm hoping Attilan regiment rules are like

>vets can take horses
>command squads can take horses
>HEAVY WEAPONS TEAMS
>ON HORSES

>>54060972

Dragoons are really good. Ballistarii are nice, they play into gun line pretty good, but what you want the Ironstriders for is for fast moving units that can disrupt the enemy and Dragoons are great at that. They hit like a truck at s8 3 attacks with exploding 6s.

>>54061007

Yeah...I've considered swapping it out for smaller swords rather than keeping the fuck huge ones. What do you think?

>>54061183
>no cowboy regiment
>no double plasma pistols on a horse

>>54061239
You can do that with Death Riders.

Is named HQ spam a meme or a winning strategy?

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>>54061233
maybe something like this?

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Any Guard players In the thread?

>>54061313

Maybe, but they are supposed to have power swords is the thing. So if i replaced it it would probably be with smaller swords.

>>54061371
>>54060504
Here I am. Though I'm finally getting my Inquisition and Ministorum units ready so I'll be more of a Guard + those player.

>>54060802
A friend gifted me a squad of Grenadiers and engineers when they were first released in 07, picked up a couple kits in between now and then which I probably spent about 100 on. I've been buying from China cast for a while. Have about 400 dollars worth of krieg shit for a quarter of that.

>>54061421

China cast any good?

>>54061371

I play scions. Is that close enough?

>>54060273
You must realize that all Vanguard now can do pseudo-fleet maneuver that let them shoot after run due to the new Assault rules, so their threat range are 30" instead of 24" like usual. And their calivers lost their Gets hot! rules, but loosing a burst is kinda bitch ( they got cheaper tho, like 14 pts per piece, and with overcharge they can be real pain in the ass for light vehicles).

Personally, i think they are one of the most mobile and versatile infantry in the game. But yeah, they'll need those metalbox pretty hard.

>>54061470

Their guns only have a 18 inch range. even with the additional 6 that only brings them up to 24

Chaos Chosen models when??

>>54055582
When is the book coming out for that art work?

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I posted this list in the general but all I got was some goon who thinks platoon commanders are better than Company Commanders. Rate? Its for casual play.

>>54062686
Not a fan of vox casters personallyl. Otherwise looks fun.

>>54056086
>Guard Marines.

I believe those are called guard crewmen.

So I'm mixing and matching parts from three different space marine tanks to make three different Sororitas tanks...

Has anyone ever put a chimera hull on rhino treads? Is it as easy as I think it'll be? I want to make a nice tall repressor.

>>54063291

out of curiosity would you mind telling me how you are making it all? What bits you are using for what I mean. As a fellow sisters player who does a lot of converting I'm interested.

>>54057610
>>54058324
Ward quit fellas.
Cited "creative differences"

>>54063343

Thought he was back. Or is he gone again?

>>54060444
I'm debating whether to take Crusaders or Bullgryns, so far the Bullgryns are winning because I can take them in my valks and I dont think Crusaders can ride in them.

>>54063385

They can't i'm afraid.

>>54063393
Fucker. I kinda needed them to tag along with my Inquisitor and his team of needle pistol power maulers. At least I can carry a priest.

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>>54063309
I haven't done any of the requisite dry-fitting, except for the rhino which I'm pretty satisfied with. So take this with a grain of salt:

Rhino -
Rhino hull (vindicator kit)
Vindicator armour plates
Vindicator top plate (I cut the rhino doors to fit the top vent, not really neccesary, but fill it with something)
Vindicator front-plate with Rhino front-plate flipped, cut to a T shape and fitted into the hole where the cannon goes (end result is nice, but took a lot of time, regular rhino plate works with a few minor adjustments.

Exorcist -
Rhino hull (baal predator kit)
Rhino armour (optional, forgeworld in this case.)
Stalker top plate
Missile launchers of choice mounted to the stalker turrets (if it doesn't work out, I'll just use the razorback or hunter top-plates and mount a whirlwind or space marine anti-air missile whatsit turret inside the hole)

Immolator -
Rhino hull (vindi kit)
Vindicator armour plates
Hunter top plate (adjusted to fit as close to the front of the vehicle as possible, if possible)
Baal predator turret (mounted inside stalker hole, or razorback hole fitted inside stalker hole)
(alternatively, I've considered using the stalker top-plate and mounting the flamers, bolters, or meltas on the little turrets, but that extra range flamer deserves a turret, I think.)

Repressor -
Chimera hull (Or Rhino, maybe parts of one on top of another.)
Rhino tracks (Stalker/Hunter)
Stalker/Hunter armour plates
Dozer blade (vindicator)
Spare chimera track pieces over the lasgun array ports to make them look like proper firing points. Or something to that effect.
Figure I can mount a flamer to the hull and line it up with the dozer blade's gap.

That's the very rough outline of how I think it'll go down. The vindicator to rhino makes a satisfyingly chunky looking transport and is basically stand-alone, the Immo, Exo, and Repressor would all take parts from each other, hypothetically, so I'd need to build them as a set.

Food for thought.

Plausible army?

Pair of Inquisitor characters
Like, 3 squads of Acolytes, packed out the gills
with 4 combi weapons of some type each. all riding in blackstars.
10x Crusaders
The rest being IG rabble or Sisters for bulk.

>>54063535

Is there any particular reason you don't just want to buy the immolator or sisters rhino kits from the site? I mean I get the repressor since fuck forge world, but what's wrong with gw's kits?

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>>54060755
Krieg will never fail again. Krieg will never be failed again.

Rules look pretty good. Orders are nasty and varied, Cult of Sacrifice is a good army-wide for your blobs. Engineers look much like they always did, though yeah, bummed about the Hades drill. Weird, seeing as it was originally a Krieg specific thing.

>>54063556

You wouldn't happen to have the pages would you? Or at least be able to tell me where i could find it? I was under the impression that the forge world stuff hadn't been leaked yet.

>>54063554

I want them to look chunky: up armored with a more military aesthetic. I'd rather they look like proper fighting vehicles with scroll work and religious devotions written on them after the fact than literal churches on treads.

I actually really like forgeworld's take on their look, but they've discontinued everything SoB but the rhino doors.

>>54063544
Could work. I'm doing an Inquisitor in terminator armor deepstriking with scions and another riding in a taurox prime with storm bolter acolytes backed up by Bullgryn, DCA and Crusaders in transports. Rest is Guard tanks and Conscripts and infantry squads.

>>54061371
I am.

>>54063669
I've only seen a few pages and talked to some anons who got their copies early. Mine's still in the post.

>>54064051

could you maybe tell me a little then out of your memory then? I won't have money for mine for some time. Are the orders different from normal guard? And what is the Cult of Sacrifice rule?

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Would this list benefit more from having Basilisks or Wyverns? I'm leaning toward the Wyverns for more antihorde and I get 30 points to spend on stuff.

Cannot for the life of me find rules for the loyalist version of the knight Atrapos. It's the only big stompmachine I like to run with my skitarii.

Can anyone point me to book/page?

>>54064286
FW astra militarum index.

>>54064108
CoS is no morale from shooting.

>>54064306

They still better at melee than the average guardsman?

>>54064299
You're wonderful. Thank you.

>>54060755
Love the rules so far, especially how i can mix them with other pattern of tanks (plain cadian, styges) but eeh, the mars alpha patterns seems pretty cool against hordes

i have only two major grudges
>no more hades drill engineers, which is too bad because engineers are cool as ever
>to outflank you need a rough rider command squad, nothing bad because of the orders... but damn that means that i will have to buy 10 death riders instead of 5, even if i must admit that ten of those guys are terrifying.

im looking forward to sell a few things and buy a macharius vanquisher from a friend of mine, so my krieger blob can use it as mobile shield.

the storm chimera looks sick, again having +1 save against 4-s attacks

>>54064340
yes, they hit on a 3+

also the cqc oriented orders are cool

>if one guy dies in combat, he immediately makes an attack
>all the lasguns and hellguns become pistol 2 so you can shot them in the face point blank

>>54064622
>the storm chimera looks sick, again having +1 save against 4-s attacks
And that is what my engineers will be riding in

>>54056766
Don't forget command squads with sniper rifles to act as sharpshooters on either end of the ranks

How are Death Korps of Krieg in 8th? Are they playable or are their rules borked since FW handle their index?

>>54060117
No special effects on a 6+ to hit or wound? I was hoping at for AP-1 at least on a critical hit.

Starship troopers tier armor for special ops when?

I dont play, but i'm painting skitarii in a custom bluegrey/red scheme
I also like the Scion models and think combining the 2 together would look nice.
If i was to ever actually play the game (8th has made it more tempting) is this a valid army?

>>54064981
they look pretty playable, you wont destroy the world because of the lack of frfsrf but stuff like death riders, mars alpha patter tanks and the general compatibility with normal guard (now kriegers can ride on vendetta/valks) makes them pretty good (and now without the need of full command squads they consume less points, even if stuff like the quartermaster got seriusly buffed by giving a 6+ invul and the medipack ability.


and hey, they ignore battleshock for casualties that got shot and cavalry can get orders as well.

>>54061540
We have to hope for new models with codex or Fires od Cyraxus.

>>54060422
empire troops probably have the right look.

just use plasticard to add the angled shroud thing to their guns, say they've got laslocks.

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https://victoriaminiatures.com/

I just got some arcadian guardsmen/guardswomen from Victoria lamb and they are just gorgeous. She really captured GW's imperial guard aesthetics and they will fit in nicely with any gw kits.

female guard FUCK YES

>>54065445
I bought the imperial noble and 2017 pilot from her. I proceeded to cut them the fuck up for conversions. You're right they are nice.

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Why does no one ever talk about this series?

>>54065765

Haven't read it. Any good?

>>54065829
Yeah its pretty.

I wanna do an arbites army now

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>>54065829
it's excellent

>>54065765
It's crap on a par with Brunner.

>Mary Sue is transferred to a new sector thankfully she knows all the customs, politics and traditions and is perfectly equipped to solve all crime in the sector.

I really wanted a good series of Arbites books, sadly this was not it.

>>54065829

Depends on what you want out of a 40K novel. The first book at least (only one I've read) is super heavy on the world-building. Like, it goes into some pretty detail over the mundane everyday aspects of Imperial life. Yeah at least once every other chapter or so someone is getting either shot, stabbed or bludgeoned with a power-maul but overall it's much more in the vein of something like Law and Order: Extreme Edition then a true run n' gun 40k novel. It makes the Eisenhorn novels look like Space Marine Battles stories in comparison.

If that's your thing you'll love it. Also Shira is cute CUTE!

>>54065944

This is some pretty epic shitposting.

> she knows all the customs, politics and traditions and is perfectly equipped to solve all crime in the sector.

>literally the entire first novel is centered around how she feels like a fish out of water in Hydraphur and is repeatedly embarrassed or fucked over in her mission due to not understanding the local politics or customs

>>54065982
>Law and Order: Extreme Edition
Does ever chapter begin with DUN DUN written in all caps?

>>54061561
With the new assault weapon rules you'll have 6" mov+ 6" run+ 18" range= 30" threat range m8.

In 7th they can only either do 24" assault or 12" run, since assault weapons can only give you ability to charge after shooting and they don't have the dunestrider ability. 8th give them waay more reach and mobility than before.

>>54060504
Are the orange dudes conscripts? Good idea for a color scheme!

>>54066392
Thanks! And yes they are. My favorite unit I've made so far. I'm hoping to come up with some good colors for my ministorum units, but I haven't decided yet.

>>54065445
My GW store wouldn't allow the full models, so should I just replace the heads? Or maybe the torso and heads?

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I think Space Marines ruin 40k for me. I play Daemons so there isn't much shooting, but you at least get to feel spooky and rush down enemies/make them run away. Space marines are just the anti-daemons. It fucking sucks, they don't get scared, shoot you before you can touch them, use rhinos to become even more stupidly mobile, and even in close combat have a pretty good chance of surviving.

I like IM/IG, they are fun to fight. They get spooked by daemon hordes, they fight back with reasonable weaponry, and actually make me feel like I can enjoy myself in a fight. Ive only played like 3 games though so it's not like my main hobby or anything, but i'm just worried that space marines are going to ruin me being able to enjoy this. Why would anyone play space marines anyways? They just ruin the mood of the game if you ask me.

>>54068160
I'm pretty much in agreement with you. They are boring in setting and boring to play against. You get a lot of weak and untrustworthy homosexuals in this hobby, so it's understandable they would play Marines. Guys like their power fantasies and Marines are basically that to the extreme.

That said, Guard are really strong this edition, so I stomp Marines every time. Daemons would be fun to fight, I have a lot of melee units so it would be a good clash.

>>54068160
Marines are pretty much a middle of the road army that can be build to any given roles, gunline, fast attack, shock and awe, mechanized, you name it.

>>54068160
I totally agree, Marines suck. Super bland, and they look like garbage.

Just starting Mechanicus after some time away from 40k. How should I build the troops from the starter and with what special weapons, if any? For Onager I read that Icarus and the laser are best.

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>>54061043
wip steel legion lancer

gonna make a few the recast a bunch of them

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Fires of Cyraxus when?

So at first I thought Chumeras were a waste of points this edition, but holy balls are they great. They're cheap enough that you can take a few and provide too many targets for anti-armor to ever kill over the course of the game.

>>54068737
>In the Name of Kane! Kane Lives in Death!

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>>54056766
I've been running an army a lot like that to great success. Pic related.
>>54059133
I think the Vostroyans have a great Napoleonic look, (a main reason why I paint and play them) but like you said are stupid expensive.

>>54069684
Love your army every time I've seen it. What list do you run?

>>54055582

Where do you get the point values for armies. I've found the base rulebook and a bunch of the imperial armour books with the specialty lists, but I haven't found the points for the base armies yet (SM, guard, sisters, inquisition, etc...)?

>>54070496
They are at the back of the books. Look for the 40k general, they have all the PDFs and epubs in the mega OP link.

Question to all the guardfags

which version of the destroyer its better? the laser array one or the one with the demolisher?

Heavy weapons squads worth for krieg? Is there any reason to not take Venner every single game?

Tempted to include
>thudd gun Heavy 4D6

>>54068737
I don't think Fires of Cyraxus is going to be very helpful to you if you're planning on playing Dark Mechanicum, anon, and I doubt that it's going to give us rules for loyalist versions of Daemon Engines.

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>>54069684
>Vostroyans

Why don't any military organisations higher than regiments exist for the Imperial Guard. Is there no 13th Cadian Corps or 18th Elysian Airborne Division?

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>>54065445
I love her mini's. I'm currently in the process of making a nice display piece using her Victorian Guard entitled Orc's Drift. It's coming along nicely, although I bought the wrong fucking spackle for the ground cover.

>>54068374
neutron laser for tank busting, icarus array otherwise
you can build either the troops as:
-vanguards, who have a short range. Give them plasma caliver or electro-rifle for more dakka
you may add a cqc weapons on the alpha

-rangers, who have great range. give them the huge sniper, personally i use them in small 5 men squad with transuranic arquebuse and omnispex for no cover

>>54065136
IG aren't in FoC at all. Only Marines, AdMech and Tau.

>>54072006
Decentralization is supposed to keep traitors from gathering too much strength.

One regiment's leadership goes corrupt. Okay, they convert their subordinates and purge those who disagree and you've got some traitors on your hands. Bad, but not as bad as...

The commander of a division made of 10 regiments goes bad, converts/purges subordinates, now things are really not good.

Hey, gents.
Quick question, in case I missed it somewhere.
So, having a unit embarked on a fortification firing it's weapons only allows it to shoot units further away, while not altering it's bs at all. Does that seem silly to you?

>>54075249
a bit silly, but probably not a bad idea to avoid stupid things like an assissin giving a Macro Cannon BS 2+

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Fellow AdMech players, how do you deal with horde lists? I've recently joined with a small 400-500 points list from the basic box and I seem to have problems against infantry-heavy lists. I did fine in my games vs Necrons, but the orks just tore me apart since my Neutron laser did almost nothing and my 10 vanguards squad went down pretty fast in CC. Dominus held his stand in CC though and whopped some ass which felt awesome.

My thought on upgrading to 1k was getting another Starter Box for Skitarii since I get one cheap from a buddy, but then again what should I equip to embrace the hordes? I'm pretty set on making the new infantry guys 5 rangers and 5 vanguards for Character Sniping and another small infantry unit.

Thanks in advance and praise the Omnissiah.

>>54060117
>>54060273
Why were skitarii nerfed this way? I don't have experience with them but it seems they lost a lot of flavor and balance

>>54077298

look on the admech side of things rather than the skitarii side of things maybe. My answer to hordes was vanguard, but after changes they aren't quite as good at it as they used to be.

>>54077575
>>54077670
Because GW are still sucks at balancing stuff and fluff

But seriously, as my recent experience goes, they don't even get nerved that hard. Vanguard can move+run+shoot now and with canticles, can shit on T3s on 2+ in CC and have rerolls on their plasma so they can overcharge it erryday. They still 30 shots max and since 5 and 6 plus saves are still shitty flip-a-coin-or-you'll-die kind of stuff, they still can kill 10-15 light infantry dudes on average. The only loss that matter imo is those AP, their 6+ FnP are hardly matter and 6+ more wound is a rare occurance. They still great as they are, only a bit toned down.

Rangers are getting it harder but they now a decent sniper platform and can shit on MCs from far far away.

>>54078454

I know vanguard are good still, but the change to the way that wounds work now makes their guns less effective against hordes.

>>54068160
Marines are pretty fucking boring but they sell models so they'll never go away.


It baffles me that so many people enjoy Marines because they are playing the blue ones instead of the green ones

>>54062856
why not? I know they were a big rubbish back in 7th, but they allow for a lot of tactical flex now

>>54067888
as a heads up (hah!) the female arcadian heads will look comically tiny on GW cadian bodies. The male heads look like though

Had a game today. Crusaders and DCA yet again being strong as fuck. They balanced those units poorly.

I ran Pask Punisher, 30 cons, 3 infantry squads, 2 commanders, 2 priests, 2 commissars, Manticore, mortar squad, heavy bolter squad, 9 crusaders, 9 DCA, 5 man Scion squad, terminator inquisitor and Celestine.

Kind of a weird list but I wanted to try those units again. It was against Necrons. He had blobs of warriors and an immortals with a lord and entourage, a ghost arc and some spider tank. It was a fun game but my units tore shit up in melee. He decided to call it when I was close to tabling. He's going to be ready next battle so I'm excited to see what happens.

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How worth it is the Demolisher in this addition?

>>54078496
Only substantially 'less', even there was chance for extra wound in the past it was only on 6+, that was only 3-4 more body at best, hardly matter for hordes that was come with 100+ bodies.

>>54078914
With Pask or a Tank Commander it's super worth it.

I'm thinking of doing Pask in a Demolisher with Lascannon and Multi-Meltas for ultimate anti-tank. That way you can take 1-2 Punisher Tank Commanders and Pask can give them orders to re-roll 1s. 3+ re-rolling 1s is basically what he was before anyway. So you get 2 mini Pasks and Pask on Demolisher hitting on 2+ and 3+ for the other guns if he moves.

>>54065054
Switch the scions heads for vanguards and you can tie it together even better

Arco-flagellants or Repentias?

>>54081514
Depends on what you want to kill. Arcos are better against all infantry, but Repentia are better at killing multi-wound targets.

How can I integrate admech into my tau army

>>54081723
You can't at the moment.

>>54081723
Take a cock down your throat until you don't throw up anymore.

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Rate my list, melta vets start in flyers, missile HWT + 1 sniper HWT + plasma vets + one company commander start deep strike.

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>>54081723
>Allying AdMech with fucking Tau
>Fucking ever

Fuck off space weaboos, our mecha collections are far better than you.

>>54081723
Okay maybe I should rephrase

How do I integrate tau into my admech army?

>>54082165

Corpses hanging from giant cogs.

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>>54082165

>>54082028
>the admech go from a unit in the IG to the army with the coolest fucking robots
Why do the Tau even exist anymore? their whole gimmick got stolen and done way better by a bunch of autists who ree in binary.

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Newbie looking too get into 40K.

I'm afraid if I get into it playing Skitarii and Mechanicus I will be at a disadvantage, or is it just me worrying far too much?

>>54082512

You won't be at a disadvantage. Skitarii are pretty darn good, so is the Admech stuff.

>>54082525
What are both armies good at and what will I need to be wary of, if you don't mind me asking?

>>54082538

As of this point in time it's all one army.

The admech stuff is tougher, and it hits like a truck, but with a few exceptions they tend not to have very many models on the table. If you use servitors and the robots then you lack a bit of presence. Their guns are great on the servitors and the robots. They also have a decent melee in the form of electro priests that got buffed this edition (they used to be absolute shit, but nowadays they are actually pretty decent).

Skitarii are not as tough, but they are cheaper and more numerous, and also more flexible with a wider variety of units. Your troops are either vangard or rangers. Vanguard are shock troops. High damage output at a short range and better than average melee. Rangers have better than average range. Good place to stick a sniper special weapon.

The sicarians are your melee specialists and infiltrators. Difficult to use but you can get good results with them if you figure out how to use them.

Ironstriders are walkers. They have a melee and gun platform varient. Both are quite good. Very mobile.

Onagers are your tank. Sort of. They have really big guns. Really big guns.

The play style tends to be gun line. You can switch things up with ironstriders/electro priests/ sicarians (and you should probably have a few as support for your gun line.) thats not normal. Most of the time you are going to see a gun line with a lot of Skitarii and onagers. Mostly vanguard. New edition so we'll have to see how things will shake out.

>>54070705
Don't own any hwt, but I do own thudd guns.

Of the two games I've played, they've been my first ever.
My first was a proxy as guard since FW hadn't come out yet.
Second I found them lackluster, but I thought the shots were S4, and I targeted the wrong units.

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>>54061371
Yeah, although I've been building them for Shadow Wars and not regular 40k.

>>54082729
Thanks my dude, I appreciate it!

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>>54063669
>>54064051
>>54064108
>>54064306
>>54064340
>>54064645

Here you go!

>>54065079
Wel, if you read the rules, they got kinda FRFSRF, since you can change the type of your lasgun from rapid fire 1 to Pistol 2- This is Kinda like FRFSRF on the 12" + range.

>>54083552

You are awesome man. What's your name imma name an hq after you.

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>>54077670
Well, I had different thoughts on dealing with hordes so far and hoped people around here had experience.

One of the options would be heavy dakka with Kastelan Robits. 18 S6 Ap-2 shots per unit on 36" while having the protector Protocol seem nice. Still only on a 4+ but that would be on average 9 hits.

Another one could be Sicarian Infiltrators. Dealing AP0 hits seems bad on paper, but the sheer amount of hits per turn while having a Flechette (Pistol 5) and Taser Goads (3 Attacks) might be enough to rip apart at least one or two units.

Lastly I'd thought about Fulgurite Electro-Priests. Their attacks are okay (2 Attacks on 3+ with S5 AP-2 D3 Dmg) but the real kicker is their Voltagheist Field (after a charge and reaching up to 1" to an enemy, roll a D6 for each of your priests, on a 6 you deal a mortal wound, kinda like 'Litany of the electromancer' in a small version)
A real survival bonus is the 3+ save when you manage to take a unit down, else it's mediocre 5+. Also having an additional wound ignore on 5+ looks decent.

Anyone having any experience with either of those against hordes? Or what would you pick when you had the choice here? Feels great to have a discussion platform for stuff like that.

>>54082028

its a bit hit and miss.
castellax = amazing
kastelan = wtf

thanatar is the dogs bollocks though.

>>54084027

I havery experience with the infiltrators and the robots, not the priests though.

Infiltrators with flachete and goad are 200% anti hoard. They shredded my buddies guard and nids in shooting and cqc.

The bots aren't really anti hoard per see. They erase elite units pretty well, but they just are too expensive for anti hoard duties. What they are great at is shoring up your line. They act as solid immovable points the rest can rally around. They just won't die, and they punish whatever tries to get at them. Good for leading the charge or for blunting an enemy offensive.

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>>54083992
It's Max ;-)
go figure!

>>54072326
>orc's drift

I like you

>>54084045
>thanatar is the dogs bollocks though.
>hurrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Yeaaaah

Still miles better than Mr. Noarm and shitty landmate ripoff.....

>>54084101

You were in the love and krieg threads weren't you?

>>54084092
Thanks for that info. Guess I'll skip the Robots at my 1k list then and upgrade with another basic box and probably some Infiltrators. My playgroup is pretty horde-based so far.

>>54084374

I'd still say get bots. I absolutely love my bots. They are one of my favorite parts of the army.

>>54072006
Some formations do exist. The Death Korps has explicitly used korps consisting of several regiments, and armies consisting of at least one korps.

Thing is, there is no standardised size for a regiment. All from modern definitions of a few thousand men to several hundred thousand. Compared to modern divisions, you can see why larger units are not standard.

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>>54061183
>HEAVY WEAPONS TEAMS
>ON HORSES

>>54060504
What are the guys with the shield & swords in front of the bullgryns ?

>>54084866

Pretty sure those are what he uses as crusaders.

>>54062066
http://www.blacklibrary.com/coming-soon/august/blood-and-lies-cd.html

August. Eyeballing that arbite in the bottom left, wondering if Calpernia has done enough penitence and found her way back into a different series.

>>54082028
What is that model?

>>54085268

Forgeworld Mechanicus death machine.

How do you deal with Ghazghkull Thraka? My friend and I are torn between throwing a pair of Assassins at him and just wrapping him in Conscripts so he can't do anything. All Imperium solutions welcome.

>>54055582
I'm looking to get into the hobby after really immersing myself in the lore, rpgs, and various tg unit creation threads. One of my favorites was a SoB unit that used IG as grunts/personal operators.
How would I field an IG army that uses SoB as commanders and Sergeants. I'm thinking if I want it more of a kill or strike team using Scions or Storm Troopers.

>>54085480
scions=storm troopers
just an run a detachment with units filled with "imperium" keyword and you're good, though you'll probably lose some either IG or SOB exclusive buffs

>>54085492
Deep, you're right about Storm Troopers. Except don't Kreig have non-Scion storm troopers? What's the other elite infantry army besides Scions?

>>54085769

krieg has grenediers who are very similar to storm troopers

>>54085769

Krieg have the Grenadiers, who are Karskin equivalents in old lore, so basically kinda sorta storm trooper equivalents now. More realistically they are Vets on steroids.

>>54055582
Could Cadia be refounded on a different world by gathering up all the deployed and garrisonsed IG regiments across the Imperium and settling them on a new planet? Even descendants on other worlds would be viable.
Just because the planet is gone doesn't mean the culture and remnants should be allowed to fade away.

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New list for your perusal. I was planning to start a full scion/stormtrooper army this esition, but apparently they're pretty much 'new tau' so I'm trying to think of alternatives. Basic idea is mobile assault units of Vets, with buffs from the HQs and priest, scions fill gaps (and I already have the models). Does this look at all viable?

Also, can the priest count towards my elite requirements for the Vanguard Detachment? If so I could downgrade the backline Vets to an infantry squad for a Batallion Detachment

>>54085956
Plenty of Cadian regiments and civilians escaped to the other planets that make up the gate, and those planets are so heavily fortified due to Cadia holding out so long that the commanders are thinking of retaking it again.

So there are plenty of Cadians still around. And the culture of Cadia could easily have also spread to the other planets that make up the gate.

>>54085997
yeah the priest counts as an Elites for the vanguard.

>>54085997
The vet squad with heavy flamer + plasma guns is a bad combo IMO

>>54085997
if you downgrade the vets to an infantry squad, you can combine the whole thing into a battalion and snag 2 more command points than the vanguard will give you

>>54060620
Yes I run mine with 3 grenade launchers and a med pack. That way they have a light anti armor and a way to pick up any of my bullgryn that may be shoot on their charge.

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>>54086348
Thanks for clearing that up, the keywords thing is still something to get used to.
>>54086505
I would like at least 2 'assault squads' with Hflamers, power weapons and Plas pistols. Ideally they would all have meltaguns, but they don't really seem worth the points in large quantities, and plasma is more flexible for when I run a more traditional list. For 7 pts, I'd much rather have Plasma than flamers.
>>54086558
With priest in the Vanguard and Vets downgraded to infantry, I end up with both Detachments and 7 cmd points

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>>54055582
When do the plastic sisters arrive?

>>54084866
>>54084995
Like this anon said, they are Crusaders. But I've since changed the model some because I didn't like what I did with them.

These are what I use now >>54060687

>>54085262
Is Calpernia the girl from the arbite novels? I have the collection, but I haven't read it yet.

Does anyone have the Squiggoth rules / stats from Forgeworld (regular squig not giant).

I really want to field mine.

>>54082729
Is Cawl still worth it? Should I load up on TPDs for my onager/vanguard gunline?

>>54062686
I'd take more commanders and comissars, personally.

>>54087000
Cawl is better to buff Cult stuff, since they hit on 4+ instead of 3+, if you plan on almost pure skitarii, TPD's are "better".
Although his ability to +/-1 on the canticles table is great to fish for used canticles

>>54085480
Just grab some sob models, toss 'em into a guard army, and treat them as guard leaders/sergeants.

Somebody know a good place to get spare plasma rifles / meltas for guardsmen ? Either GW or others

Already went here : http://anvilindustry.co.uk/Regiments/Weapons
But the weapons look too different from the originals imo

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i have a question for my fellow techno-zealots:
should i mix power sword and taser on my infiltrators ?
the tasers are nice, but the rend on the power swords is nice to chew through Mek and Tek

>>54061183
The heavy weapons teams can be "flying artillery" from the Mexican American war

>>54078914
You need a tank commander to make it work. The optimal number for any tank combo is 3:

Two tank commanders
1 Pask

The Pask orders rerolling ones to the co tanks and that gives them very, very good accuracy. Then on the first or second turn you use strike and shround in whichever two tanks are most wounded while the techpriest you probably bought prioritizes whichever wounded tank is closest to either losing a BS or closest to regaining a BS after being hit.

Be careful stacking multimeltas and other expensive toys on this already expensive unit.

>>54084320
Maybe, im such a oldfag, i can't remember anymore ;-)

>>54088642

cant do tank orders to other tank commanders

>>54090254
As far as I know pask can order tank commanders.

>>54090254
If they're friendly <CADIAN> LEMAN RUSS, yeah he can.

>>54090254
Pask can. Pask plus 2 Tank Commanders is the way to go. Lemans without Tank Commander are shite. Durable, but garbage at hurting things. Pask alone or Pask with 1-2 Tank Commanders is the best loadout for Lemans. Any more and you're wasting points.

>>54067888

Replace the store.

>>54065445

Its a crime she hasn't done Catachans yet.

Vic is a treasure, we are lucky to have her.

>>54090662
I like the people there a lot and it's very close. The only other store that I could go to that isn't GW is full of old men. At least at the store I go to has a variety of ages and some other girls too.

Is running tank-heavy Guard even vaguely practical?

>>54091109
I would do pask, 2 tank commanders, 2 basilisks, 2 Manticores then whatever else you want. Hellhound variants, Sentinels, mechanized infantry and such.

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Tell me everything I need to know about the Praetorians

>>54086896
That's the one. It's a fun series, especially if you want to get an eyeball at the Imperium operating away from an active warzone. Third book has a particularly cool setting, being set on an astropathic void station.

>>54093229
I'd like to read it. I'm really excited for Blood and Lies.

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>>54055582
How do you guard players run inf squads without combined squads? Doing this en masse usually forfeits first turn cause of how many units you have and you don't get as much out of orders.

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>>54086818
stop posting this, it makes me wish i had a reason to go back to /co/

>>54094260
I always go second when I play. I try to seize and always use a command point to try again. Helps some.

I fun them with heavy bolters, plasma guns and sergeant with plasma pistol and power maul.

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>>54088208

I actually like to keep a unit singularly focused. taser goads are great for pouring attacks out, and with canticles, you can get them to S7, which lets them threaten T7 and T6 vehicles more easily than with power swords.

>>54091444
Wiped out to a man at The Battle Of Big Tooth River.

>>54084234
You do know "dog's bollocks" means very good, right?

>>54082028
Its chest and eye lenses look weirdly photoshopped.

>>54094649
No

That word just feel very offensive, especially to non-english speaker. So i'm sorry for being a dirty ESL anon.

>>54097788

Don't worry. The English are just fucking crazy. You can safely ignore them since they don't really matter at all.

>>54060755
Kind of sad at no frfsrf, but we got a bit angrier up close and less points overall, so I like where we're at.

>>54083606
So you go from 2 shots to 2 shots.

Unless I'm missing where pistol 2=4 shots?

>>54099062
Lasgun: 24" Rapid fire 1 s3 AP0
Means ONE shot at 12+"
or two shots at 12+" with FRFSRF

Deathkorps geht Without Mercy:
it changes the lasgun to:
Lasgun: 24" Pistol 2 s3 ap0
So ALSO TWO shots at 12+"

All you miss out are the freaking 4 shots at LESS than 12", but you gain improved melee power!

>>54097788
It isn't obvious? It's like the way "shit" is bad but "the shit" is good. English slang is perfectly clear.

See also: "bad", "wicked", "sick", etc.

>>54085268
Its Thanatar, the main Wreck-it-Bot from Ordo Reductor branch of AdMech. Or to be specific, Thanatar Calix, one of the 3 varian. It was a widespread tech back in the Great Crusade, but now it becomes one of the Forge World's feared relics, along with Castellax and Ursarax.

Its still an HH exclusive thanks to 8th update, but the upcoming Fires of Cyraxus will fix that.

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>>54099503
Oops, forgot the pic

>>54094379
true
plus i realised that admech have tons of other things to deal with Mek and Tek, like plasma vanguard and kataphron
thanks

How many points do Guard players dedicate to support characters? The 2000 point list I'm looking at has over 300 points of officers, commissars and such which seems high.

Why are flyers so shit at shooting other flyers?
Hard to hit seems to apply to everything, and most flyers a have a minimum move that forces -1 to hit on their heavy weapons. It just makes them terrible.

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>>54099164
>English slang is perfectly clear
No god no, I'm English and I sincerely have to disagree. Most of it is going to be regional or class-based though. My examples are going to be the very low of working class but we both know the upper class has their own weird terms, Boris Johnson is not making those words u p

For instance:
"This (orange juice) tastes bum" apparently meant the orange juice tasted good. How in the fuck does that make any sense? Granted it was a very low-class kid from a bad area who said this and I've never heard it from outside that area.
Replacing quid, pounds etc. with "dollar" just creates problems without context, the context being they're chav as shit.
Bees Knees is in the same boat as dogs bollocks (thank you for being a true Brit and spelling bollocks correctly by the way), foreigners are just going to be confused.
Bob's your uncle too.
Bung as in bribe just needs explaining the first time, no one gets it from the get go.
Fit is just confusing to foreigners too.

In fact the problem with most of them is going to be they don't work in text format unless you're familiar with the person saying it.

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>>54099516
damn they look awesome
the big problem with the kastelan is that they are wayyy to clean for half-functionnal archeotech, thanatars pull this look better

>>54100637
Thanatars are fully functional. The problem is they want to be fully functional against as many targets as possible ;)

Seriously, those things are lethal. S8 AP2 large blast that forces cover to be at -1 and rerolled, at BS5. Probably going to be nerfed to shit honestly, since translating that directly is just a D6 shot S8 lascannon that ignores what little cover armoured vehicles will have. Personally I want Ursarax, throwing out a truly insane number of S10 powerfist attacks that will probably hit on 4+.

Also Peltasts will probably do a hell of a job at anti-horde, plus we might get a cheaper HQ in an Axiarch of some kind.

>>54100598
Have another look at the examples in that post and consider whether "perfectly clear" was intended seriously or in jest.

I do wonder how much it's peculiarly English/British/Anglophone though. Every language has slang.

>>54056766
check out warlord games.
They have some great looking napoleon era minis that you can buy for cheap.

The arms look a little weird since they are truescale compared to the paws of pvt. Meaty Hueghands that is normaly drafted to the guard but you could easily slap some 40k arms on them for that clasic grotesque look

>>54101830

I am sure you could find a 3rd party lasgun variant to fit their hands.

>>54100819
oh i don't put in doubt their efficiency, praise the omnissiah, i was just pointing out that the kastelan were missing the traditionnal aesthetic of the mechanicus, with tubes, wires, cogs and cables everywhere

So, trying to put together a Renegades and Heretics list, is there any major chaos options for CC in the heavy support slot that aren't vehicles?

>>54103576
Ended up not bothering, will figure it out later.

Battalion Detachment
Renegade Commander 30 HQ
Slaanesh Covt 0
Plasna Pistol 5
35

Malefic Lord 30

Renegade Command Squad Elite
9 models 54
Banner of Hate 10
54 x 2 108

Renegade Mutants Troops
20 models 80 x 4 320

Chaos Spawn FA
2 Spawn 33 points
66 x 2 132

Armored Sentinel FA
40 points
Sentinel Chainsaw 2
Hunter Killer Missile 6
Multi Laser 10
58 x 3 174

Ogryn Brutes Elite
5 Brutes 150
Boss 10
160 x 2 320

Hellhound 73 FA

Devil Dog 73 FA

Renegade Enforcer 30 Elite
Power Fist 10
40

Renegade Enforcer 30 Elite
Power Axe 5
35

Supreme Command Detachment
Malefic Lord 30 x 2 60 HQ

Psyker Coven 100

1500

How doomed am I with this list?

>>54100819
>Probably going to be nerfed to shit honestly

Nah, at best it'll only get price hiked and a bit of damage nerf, because FW need them to be the IA posterboy who kicked massive amount of Riptides in the ass.

What weapons should I put on my Tech Priest Dominus?

>>54099133
Am I wrong to assume that you can fire into a squad that has been engaged in melee using without mercy?

Rate my List

DKoK 1000
Battalion +3 command points: 457
HQ: 64
Death Korps Marshal Karis Venner
-Plasma Pistol
-Powersword
Elite: 50
Death Korps Command Squad
-Plasma gun
-Regimental Standard
-Grenade Launcher
-Voxcaster
HQ: 32
Death Korps Field Officer
-Plasma Pistol
-Powersword
Elite: 40
Death Korps Command Squad
-Platoon Standard
-Plasma gun
Troop: 62
Death Korps Infantry Squad
-Flamer
-Voxcaster
Troop: 62
Death Korps Infantry Squad
-Melta
Troop: 57
Death Korps Infantry Squad
-Flamer

Elite: 90
Vindicare Assassin

Heavy Support: 316
Mars Pattern Leman Russ
-Battle Cannon
-Coaxial Heavy Stubber
-Heavy Stubber
Mars Pattern Leman Russ
-Battle Cannon
-Coaxial Heavy Stubber
-Heavy Stubber

Heavy Support: 170
Heavy Quad Launcher
-Crew
-Keyword Death Korps of Krieg
Heavy Quad Launcher
-Crew
-Keyword Death Korps of Krieg

Fortification 0 command points: 100
Fortification: 100
Aegis Defense Line
-Quad gun

>>54107541
Alright, counted 3 times and i'm over by 43 points I think.

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>>54072326
>Orc's Drift