Tarot

Can someone get the stupid JoJo references out of the way real quick so we can have an actual thread?

>>54054903
the only one here that made a reference was you, my friend

>>54054903
>tarot
>JoJo referencie
>not Jodo reference

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>>54054878
>im-fucking-plying
Knock knock, it's boundless potential, bitch. Getcha edgy ass up.

>religous practice
>game

This thread is off topic, anon.

>>54055163
But Tarot began as another card game, anon. It was just co-opted by religious weirdos, that doesn't take away the original intent.

it's just that the mystical stuff is more fun to talk about

Are there any systems that use Tarot cards in interesting ways?

>>54055241
Ravenloft... DMG? Has guidelines for if the GM wants one of the PCs to get a Charokka(which is basically Ravenloft specific not!Tarot) reading. But I don't remember any that actually use Tarot as a part of the game.

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>>54054903
No.

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Devil2lewd

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>>54054878
Hi.

>>54054878
The Devil really is an underrated card.

A lot of people look at It and treat it as the "big mean evil" card, but it's a lot more then that. It's aspects of passion, bondage, and addiction are completely overlooked, along with it's supreme sexual aspect.

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>>54054903
What about Persona refrences?

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>>54054878
It's The Tower.

>>54055241
Anima: Beyond fantasy has them as Summons. Normal and Reversed. World Reversed is fucking vicious. Requires you to fail at life, and even fail to make a pact with it.
But when you manage to summon it, it causes EVERYONE to fumble literally every roll they make for a period of hours.
Standard Wheel of Fortune is also pretty weird in that it randomly uses one of the other non-reversed Arcana, depending on what you roll.

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>>54056926
This

>>54054878
Fool! I anon have already found a tarot beyond the useless bondage jockey of the Devil! Like a DUFF stuck between a the finest supermodels in the world, left with no one to sleep with even in college, it pales in comparison to THE WORLD!

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Bitch please, best Major Arcana coming through. Accept no substitutes.

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>>54056926
>>54057041
Greetings, fellow Towerfags. I see you have excellent taste as well.
Devil's good too.

>>54057011
>Requires you to fail at life
Nigga I do that all the time for free.

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Hanged Man, all day every day.

Also Crowley-Thoth is the GOAT deck.

The World is best waifu!

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Always been partial to >filename<

>>54057971
Is there a complete deck somewhere?

>>54057746
>>54056926
based taste

>>54054878
Hello Lacrobat.

A bonus is anyone actually gets the reference.

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>>54058042
yes

>>54054878
The Tower in the major arcana, Knight of Swords in the minor.

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>>54056926
Rider-Waite is shit. SHIT.

>>54056926
Truth

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>>54054878
bitch plz

>>54058503
fuck kind of card is that

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>>54057971
>leftie
die

>>54054878
The World is the best.
Not even jojomeming.

>>54058620
the eye of night arcana. i thought it would be obvious?

>>54058620
It's a silent hill 3 reference

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I'm partial to the Star myself, but Fool, Emperor, Chariot, Wheel of Fate, and World are the ones with the highest power potential.
Unless you count inverted hangman.

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>>54054878
>what is the best tarot card, and why is it The Devil?

After reading Tim Powers' "Last Call" I know a hell of a lot better than to fuck around with Tarot, even in a joking manner.

That being said, Tower.

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In the Cluster series by Piers Anthony, introducing the Tarot to galactic civilization is one of humans most important contributions.
They also have one of my favorite aliens ever, the Polarian.

The devil card in short is all about obsessions that chains you. Not a good card.

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>System has a mechanic for Astrology reading
>Has minor impact on how the game goes depending on your reading
>Two characters have been developing a relationship
>Man asks me to do a reading
>Inverted Hanged Man
>Inverted Lovers
>Death
>My face as I tell him the cards are unclear today and quickly clean up the cards

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>>54058170
Amano did a Tarot deck.

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>>54060262

holy shit

>>54054878
Go back to /x/ with that shit

>>54054878
my favorite is the ace of swords

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>>54060262
That temperance looks familiar

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>>54055124
Is there really any other option

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Real talk though, what's the best Minor Arcana and why is it the Two of Wands?

>>54059701
I hate that I know about that thing's sex life.

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It's pic related.

>>54061693
Seven of Wands is superior.

>>54055777
Is the green spirit the old woman's late husband?

I got this nice Halloween themed tarot deck for myself a year or two ago, and it is such a beautiful deck.
Personally, I use a three card spread to represent Past, Present and Future, and the few other spreads I've experimented with do not work well for me.
I am not fond of the complexity of the Celtic Cross spread, but if anyone has some spread suggestions I will try them out.

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>>54062411
Oops, seem that the bottom got cut off while I was stitching these together in paint.

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>>54062498
The art of these are all very high quality, and I love to use them even when they are not seasonally appropriate.
Temperance and The Devil are prime waifu material btw.

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>>54055163
If faggotry was a game, every post you made would be on topic.

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>>54062543
Since these are Halloween themed, the normal suits are replaced. Pentacles/Coins are replaced with Pumpkins.

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>>54062581
Ghosts replace the Cups suit.

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>>54062609
Bats replace the Swords suit.

>>54061693
Two of swords is more enigmatic

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>>54062629
And Imps replace the suit of Wands.
And that's the deck! I really recommend this deck, it is full of great art and personally I have had some entertaining readings with it.
I still need to memorize the card meanings so I do not have to rely on the little booklet, but so far that hasn't been a problem.

>>54060871
>Literally getting mad about a card game being posted on /tg/

>>54061693
Pretty gay desu

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>>54062696
I also got these dice with the tarot on the faces, I have yet to use them in a game, but I look forward to seeing my players reactions to them. Sorry if the image is flipped!

>>54062696
Pumpkins>Imps>bats>ghost

>>54062651
seconded

>>54055241
Some RPG used Tarot for exp system, I don't remember its name

>>54056926
This is the best answer possible.

>>54060262
Dissapointedly he only did good art for the major arcana, the minor arcana get no love.

>people unironically believing this shit

I thought the religious fags posting the fedora meme when you call them out were retards, but this is a whole 'nother beast.

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>>54057598
Best girl

Anyone have any good ideas in how to incorperate a tarot deck into roleplaying?

>>54066683
>>54066683

Use a game that actually uses tarots.

The strange thing is that I don't know of GOOD games that use the tarots itself aside from Helle 4 Leather wich doesn't really use them aside from meaning certain characters. Ganakagok seems interesting but uses special cards; so does Everway.

>>54066297
Tarot is a card game invented by the Italians in the 15th century. The "religious" angle was developed by autistic people, such as yourself.

>>54067141
Which religion uses the tarots?

>>54067172
None. They're a generalized mystic tool now.

>>54056926
Wasn't expecting so many people to like Tower like I do.

>>54058712
yr an idiot

For anyone who hasn't seen it:

http://menducia.atspace.com/primarchs/I.html

Tarot symbolism is used to characterize the 20 primarchs, extrapolating the missing ones from the two remaining cards.

>>54062696
Those are really neat, thanks for sharing.

Death is fine. Tower is the one you should fear.

>>54067519
I always got this feeling too.

>>54056926
1000% Tower

>>54066683

Just remember: Death card doesn't mean literal death nor bad things are going to happen.

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>>54056833
I can still hear it in that dub's voice

Okay, what's the good spin on the Tower?

Devil is temptation and desires, but also resisting them.

Tower is ambition to ruin. How the hell do you spin that good?

>>54067723
literally turn it upside down, now you are escaping/acending to the heavens

>>54067772
... Isn't that Star?

>>54067723

Destruction of your enemies!

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>>54067911

>>54067445
Is the Emperor the Fool, then?

>High Priestess Primarch
>Understood everything that the Emperor wanted to hide
>Powers more subtle than Magnus

>Fortune Primarch
>Lucky as shit
>Too trusting, too freedom loving

No wonder Emps had them exterminated, if that's the sort of people they were.
Now, what would their Legions be?

>>54068007
I'd put Emperor as The World.

http://hello-heydi.deviantart.com/gallery/28855761/Heydrich-tarot

seriously...

>>54068007
>>54068033
Emperor is The Fool.

Chaos is The World.

>>54062543
That Temperance and Devil are qt

>>54068807
The second baby on a chain gets it.

>>54067723
Sheer audacity, followed by a glorious disaster. Something ruinous but that will live on as the stuff of legend, like the Trojan War.

>>54067723

It might also mean an englightening crisis. Being free of bullshit, especially materialistic bullshit, as you will.

>>54055831
I don't know which I like more. Wheel of Fortune or Death

>determine birth arcana
>get Devil and Lovers
I don't understand

>>54068402
Kill yourself Carnac.

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>>54054878
Sacrifice is important and has interesting applications.

>>54068007
>>54068033
I think The Emperor would represent both The Fool and The World.

>>54054903
I'm here for the Binding of Isaac references.
And also for actual tarot stuff, hopefully. I'm rather fond of The Chariot (though it's one of the worst in Isaac).

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Tactics Ogre had some nice card designs

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>>54055241
Tokyo Nova is a Japanese tabletop game that uses tarot cards both as a classes and as a mechanic for the GM to introduce new things to the scenario. Basically they would have their own deck of tarot cards mixed in with some Unique Card for the system and every time they draw one it changes or adds things to the current encounter.

>>54054878
Can someone do me a crashcourse on how tarot actually works?

I see it referenced here and there but what the fuck do each card mean and how are they supposed to tell you your future? I pull a random card, it's the reaper and boom! it's means I'll die?

>>54069840
The Death card rules over transitions, it doesn't literally mean you are going to die. If you get upright death it means something major is going to change in your life.

Each card has an upright and an inverse meaning so the idea is you shuffle them while rotating half the deck each time so that some cards will be upright and others will be inverted. Both the cards you draw and their orientation is important for the reading.

>>54069899
Ah, noice. Is there somewhere* were I can read the meanings? I mean, of course if google "tarot meanings" I'll get thousands but most are probably asspulled or contradictory like that time I tried to understand chinese horoscope.

>>54069840
Meaning is inferred from the name and the aesthetics, but applied on the metaphorical level. There are also "traditional" reading of cards, but you can honestly just make up your own if you want; the idea is that you pull a combination of cards, then try to use them as a mirror for your situation at the moment, as a sort of reflective tool. A good tarot reader is working off of what you associate it with, guiding you to conclusions you want to come to.

>>54061693
I like the Nine of Swords, in part because it's been relevant a lot to me, but also because the Rider-Waite art always looks like someone woke up in the middle of the night, seized by the thought "why the everloving FUCK did I buy nine swords?"

>>54066297
>implying
I'm fond of several of my characters because they share traits with me; this must mean I believe them to exist.

>>54067723
Well, Tower is destruction of something important. While this can be something like a business or a scam, it could also signify being shaken away from a fundamental falsehood you believed true. It will certainly be very difficult to accept, but if done, it opens up potential to grow further than preconceived notions.

>>54069962
You'll get personal preference at best. However, most places will generally agree on the major principles of a card - Death is the end of something (life, relationship, delusion), The Fool is the start of a journey often with much to yet learn, The Sun is positive, often happy stuff, that sort of thing.

Snek entirely unrelated.

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>>54070077
Fuck, wrong snek.

>>54059768
wut system

>>54069992
>Meaning is inferred from the name and the aesthetics

So I'm fucked if I get 6 swords because I'm gonna get stabbed?

>>54070157
Well, that's a valid, if a bit straightforward reading, but you also need to read the cards in combination usually.

>>54058170
That one you linked to isn't even a Rider-Waite card, donglord.

>>54062629
>bats don't replace the suit of wands
But! MISTAKE

>>54062543
just look at Devil's hips, man

>>54058170
Nah, the art is much better for iconography.

>>54070157
It's more abstract than that.

Swords are associated with stuff like conflict or intelligence, and six is an harmonious number in numerology, especially as it follows five, which is more chaotic.

So the Six of Swords would be about a sudden insight or twist of fate that makes you overcome or escape a tumultuous conflict.

That's just one possible reading. Tarot comes in a variation of interpretations depending on the version and the spread you're using and the combinations themselves can have more sophisticated meanings.

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I've always been partial to The Emperor.

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>no wheel of fortune posters

This thread needs some improvement

>>54070829
I don't know, it makes sense to me.
Swords=Air=Bats
Wands=Fire=Imps
Coins=Earth=Pumpkins
Cups=Water=Ghosts

>>54056926
I like this art style, does anyone know which deck this is from?

>>54072130
>Bastone
>Bats
>The joke
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>you

>>54067519
There are no bad Tarot.

>>54072093
>I just got lucky: the card
wheel of fortune fans, everyone

>>54072978
Tower isn't bad, it just fortells of disaster iirc

>>54055241
Created my own Persona game where it's used for task resolution.
Minor Arcana from 1-10 add their value to your stat.
Page, Knight, King and Queen add either 0 or 12, depending on whether you are willing to take a consequence for taking 12.
Major Arcana add the Social Link Rank you have in that Arcana x2.

Also in battle if you draw a Minor Arcana of the same suit as is associated with your weapon type, you get a bonus effect.

>>54068176
That deck gives me the feels

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>>54054878
The best tarot card is the High Priestess. Play the Fool's Errand sometimes, and its sequel, The Fool and His Money.
Meanwhile, dumping dumb frog cards.

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>>54073842
If we're being entirely honest, The Fool and His Money is probably THE best puzzle game of the decade. You should seriously try it, guys.

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>>54073862
It also has card trick-taking games based on actual Taro as some of its puzzles.

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>>54073883
And the prose is just a joy to read, the whole text is whimsical as fuck, like in its prequel. Quite reminiscent of James Thurber, really.

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>>54073913
3 in Three is also a pretty great puzzle game made by the same guy and I also heavily recommend it.

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>>54073940

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>>54073977
And this is it for now. I got more somewhere on my PC, but I don't wanna bother looking for them.

>>54069760
That hanged man looks like he's about to hit on the next person who walks past his tree.

>>54073977
>no number
>no animuing
what a tragedy

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>>54073632

>>54068176
>>54074620
what in god's name

>>54075530
The best part is the artist claims to be offended by the neo-nazis who show up in her comments, and by their repellent ideology.

>>54075881
>make entire tarot set dedicated about a Nazi
>get angry at the Nazis interested in it
I have no fucking clue what goes through these people's minds

>>54055241
There's a Mage: the Awakening book about it, not as rules so much as themes and mysticism to put in a game.

>>54075881
>Getting offended by NSDAPaboos
>In any serious occult circle

They were more serious about that shit than 90% of the losers in occultism these days.

which tarot would you

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>>54072093
my waifu (gaifu)

>>54075881
>>54078074
Obviously I understand why you guys are baffled but really it's just a natural consequence of the insane ideas of shipping fandom -- which virtually every "nerd" girl is wrapped up in.

In practical terms, being a Reinhard Heydrich fangirl is literally the same behavior as being Draco Malfoy fangirl. Substituting Heydrich just strips the flesh from the bones; the mere furniture of "school kid in a children's novel" is removed, showing the structure underneath.

This bitch comes from a subculture where it's totally normal to sympathize with and even fetishize the villain, and where the social norm is to not give anybody even a little bit of shit about it. Of course she thinks it's totally reasonable to have a girlboner for literally the worst Nazi (a real achievement, in a way), the architect of the Holocaust, and then get offended when Nazis mistake you for a Holocaust fan -- her entire social circle has totally normalized this kind of deranged logic!

TL;DR women should never be allowed to form their own societies and subcultures because they invariably become morbid, twisted up havens of nameless sicknesses.

>>54067723
It's an act of deconstruction. Tearing down ideological or habitual structures that may be more bad than good in your life. It's about making big or dramatic change as opposed to subtle change. That change can be violent, dramatic, or traumatizing, but it can also (not as alternative but in addition to...) be a necessarily abrupt end to harmful things. Kicking dangerous habits, escaping shitty relationships or professional obligations: making the clean break where weening off won't do.

>>54069797
>>54055241
What he said. Nova uses minor arcana kind of like dice where you play and draw your hand to determine outcomes to major actions. The trick is that you have incentive to intentionally fail actions because if you only ever play your good cards you'll keep getting rid of high and keeping low, until you're eventually stuck with a shit hand and plot that needs doing. So you balance what actions you think are more or less important and your pragmatic failures help give the GM hooks to work with.

But my favorite bit is that the major arcana are the class system. Every card has its own class, but every characters has 3 classes: a Public, a Private, and a kind of Side class. It goes with the Japanese idea of Honne and Tatemae, the public and private face every person is understood to have. Unlike occidental ideas about a singular essentialist self, the Japanese assume no person actually acts in public the way they do in private and consider the two personas interchangeable in appropriate context.

So for the game's class system you might choose Justice as your Public class because you're a cop and a strict adherence to rules and equity are your prerogatives on a professional basis: what upholds those values drives what you say and what you do. But maybe you take Devil as your Private class because you're actually a selfserving manipulator when no one's looking, or only in close company. Put those two together and it makes you a crooked cop.

But then while you're running around as a Justice:Devil maybe some of your associates include a HangedMan:Justice, a person bound to their job for better and for worse, a salary man halfway up the latter, too far to turn back yet nowhere near the top; but in his heart he wants to uphold order not just in his workplace protocol but in the world at large. And in addition a Justice:Justice just a fanatical workaholic cop who eats sleeps and breathes the law. It makes good synergy

>>54054878
>Everytime I self reflect with enough self criticism and severity, I draw devil
>Everytime I play ogre battle and want an iron hand ruler, I draw devil with high as fuck stats
>Everytime I ask to a reader what is the life quest I must fulfill, devil, followed by 10 of swords.

>Still unfazed, still prefering tower and inverted hangman.

Devil isn't the best card, if anything it represents the subconscious aspects of your personality.

>>54082609
That sounds pretty damn interesting, I'm assuming the system did get translated at one point?

>>54082806
Heh, when I was with my ex, her mother did readings for us every new years eve.

I pulled Lovers 3 years in a row.

>>54082368
Yes they do

In b4 Heydrich did nothing wrong and was as much of a victim as the untermench that were evacuated

Watch Kenneth Branagh's Conspiracy, should be a stage play

I do find myself liking the Heydrich Tarot, less occultism (obviously the black sun wheels) and more introspection/self obsession which the tarot gets used a lot for

>>54083308
So, did you hook up wiv her mum u pleb?

>>54083352
In a sense, I'm having a way better relationship with her than her daughter.

>>54083372
This could be read a couple different ways.

>>54069734
What attracts you to the Chariot the most? I'm a Nameless/Death man myself.

>>54068007
Emperor at the start of the Great Crusade as The Fool, him on the Golden Throne as The World.

>>54083488
Just like the cards!

>>54083308
Devilfag drawer here,
read all following comments,
>Ain't that some shit mang?

But also consider: maybe she knew sleight of hand or had worn out that card on purpose and wanted you to marry her daughter. I've seen five women do that to me, all of them milfs though.

I still don't know what my spiritual quest is, my life IRL is currently in potato status after having been full war for quite a while. When I went to /x/ for answers someone said something about Odin (different tradition) and someone said that I must be evil and corrupt. The laugh that followed made me feel better instantly.

>>54062738
nice

>>54083214
There's a translation of Tokyo N@VA the Axleration floating around out there, though the translator wasn't too particularly keen on having it released to the general public. A quick google search is your friend in this case.

>>54055831
What exactly is the difference between a High Priestess and a Hierophant? Aren't they both like the high clergy? Or is a hierophant more civil administrative?

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>>54061566
I've always admired Mark Smylie's set.
http://swordandbarrow.com/wp/?page_id=107

>>54089847
The Hierophant is all about following the ways and traditions of a group, while the High Priestess is all about following your own intuition and what's right for you individually.

>>54061768
It's weird how many decks include that these days.

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>>54069840
In modern society, DEATH is THE END.
In feudal societies? Death is omnipresent, so its not the end. So instead of being the end, it represents what it was: Change.
Properties changed masters, priorities changed, hierarchies was redrawn, new masters, CHANGE.

>>54070157
Swords are Clover in some languages.
Heart tends to focus on blessings.
Pentacles on worldly possessions.
Wands / Batons / Clubs / Staves / Clubs would be the leftovers, whatever that is.
Its really really really symbolic, and that often goes over peopels heads, badly.

>>54088013
>>54083214
>>54082609
Here's the link to the Tokyo Nova translation.
https://mega.nz/#!oBABVIAQ!hF9D_ofyL_3T2wbgyD9ys6WbtHp_zeXynSUItDB1DvI
Rules are solid. You will need a deck of regular playing cards for resolutions, and if you can find a tarot deck that will also be useful but it's not completely required.

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>>54092767
THIS IS THE LINE OF DIVISION

>>54073997
I feel like in a Pepe deck this one should be called "Robot" or something.

>>54056640
oh, so its going to be THAT kind of game, eh?

>>54063853
I want these. Where did you get them???

>>54073083
i think it's typically sudden change, for good or bad.

>>54056926

Just here to say that I'm part of Team Tower.

>>54097111
No, that's Death

>>54086339
Not that anon, but I am fond of The Chariot because it represents a lot of the things I think I lack.
Stregth of character and will, confidence, etc.

>>54072444
Checked and bumped; I want to know this too

>>54072444
>>54097538
It's these: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0738700266/