>tfw you actually prefer right to left

>6'1"
>5'11"

>>54049076
t. manlet

It's kind of an unfair comparison, a modern dynamic sculpt to an old static one. That the one on the left is a Primaris marine is kind of irrelevant.

That being said, I can also understand why some people prefer more simple and easy to read miniature designs compared to the modern tendency towards overdesigned dynamism.

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>>54049076
Then you're going to be swimming in cheap models soon.

>>54049076
Manlet meme aside, the one on the left is just ridiculously overdesigned and utterly unsubtle. Sometimes less is more, guys.

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>mfw two threads about triggering chad memers with manlets pop up within about 10 minutes

>>54049076
>That 90s painting on the primarine
ngggghhhh

>>54049132
t. manlet

>>54049132
>overdesigned
Actually I'm happy primaris aren't that overdesigned, I was afraid they were going to be AoS kind of overdesigned and they actually look nice, simple and smooth

>>54049132
I mean, that's the whole point of Marines. They are supposed to be flashy and colorful because they are wearing extremely resistant armor. They are supposed to run out and be nigh indestructible.

They are so boring though. They are literally Superman tier boring. I wish I liked Marines, I do. I wouldn't feel so left out at the shop as everyone sits there talking about Marines and Marine books. The stories they talk about are so uninteresting though. No one has any personality, I'm just so confused. I don't get the appeal.

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>>54049182
That's why I go for chapters like the Legion of the Damned for the death metal aesthetics or Black Templars where they're basically crusaders in space because it's not just generic space marines.

>>54049205
Maybe I should look into some of those. I want to be able to add something to the conversation.

Anyone got any book recommendations that would turn around someone who doesn't care much for Marines?

>>54049150
>>54049099
>r9kucks

>>54049098
>>54049099
>>54049144
>>54049150
When will they learn?

Gotta say, models aside, the primaris is painted Very nicely.
Surely a step above the standard box art tier painting.

>>54049205

Dis nigga gets it.

Edgymarines (order) or bust

>>54049250
t. manlet

>>54049182
Ultramarines suffer from superman syndrome, but there are plenty of interesting space marine chapters that don't fall into the same trap. Black templars are my personal favourite, stories like "the visitors" portray them as more terrifying to the common imperial citizen then the orks they slaughter. https://imgur.com/gallery/tCOHn

Then you have the red scorpions, literal space nazis, the carcharodons and flesh tearers, insane murder cultists, and so on.
The default supermen are bland as shit yes, which is why GW has been pushing UM's roman aesthetic more recently, but space marines as a whole work brilliantly as a frame for interesting ideas to fill.

>>54049238
>book
just read the codices and whatnot, don't bother with novels, they just make every chapter sound boring.

Space Marines are about gimmicks: slapping a specific warrior archetype over the basic space supersoldier template.

So with black templars you got fanatical crusaders, with blood angels you got vampire knights with renaissance imagery, with dark angels you got gothic monk knights etc...

If the basic gimmick of a chapter hooks you up and sparks your imagination, that's all you should need

>>54049304
This.

Space Marines are a framework for you to hang tons of baroque decorations and imagery upon. That's why they're popular: they're easily customizable and you can get really creative with them.

>>54049182
It's because they decided to make Marines brainwashed religious fanatics with no sense of humor. Literally the boring collection of traits a character can have.

They should have kept marines as psychopathic super soldiers, at least that would have left them open to having some kind of personality.

>>54049336
brainwashed religious fanatics ARE a kind of psychopath.

>be the size of imperial guard soldier
>see this thread and people complaining about size

My fucking giga sides

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>yfw chaos marines will get extremis chaos space marines when their codex is released

>>54049336
>>54049326
>>54049310
>>54049304
Fair enough. I guess I'll look through the indexes and codices and see what pops out some.

>>54049336
Primaris marines apparently have hobbies and personalities now, just like great crusade era marines, so Horus Heresy 2.0 impending.
And, I mean, I for one love the warrior monk side of space marines, and space wolves, despite how much I hate their faction's lore and models, are actually usually written interestingly. It very often comes down to the writer, ADB made the fucking emperor boring.

>>54049363
I guess, but the brainwashing and fanaticism makes their personalities monotone.
>>54049387
>Primaris marines apparently have hobbies and personalities now
Hmm, maybe GW finally realized they were writing themselves into a corner with the whole knightly monk thing.

>>54049387
There are so many different Chapters that you'd think they had the space to allow both.

>>54049421
>>54049387
Space Marines have always had hobbies, usually something to do with craftsmanship and fine arts.
Chapter artificers aren't the only ones who decorate armors and guns

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40k is kill

>>54049542
Ow the edge

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>>54049262

Guy's called Garfy, he's got all sorts of Marines in his army, old and new. Shows how much a modern paintjob can affect the older minis.

>>54049149

is that a good or a bad 'nggggghhh' ?
could be a bit of an orgasmic one

>>54049560
Oh no, skuuuulls

>>54049560
>WAAAH WAAAH 40K SHOULDNT BE EDGY
the skull mask is their only redeeming quality

>>54049542
So happy to not be a Marine player. I would be super butt roasted about the new models and how my old ones will be ignored or just straight up look like shit next to the new biggins.

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>>54049542
>>54049560
Why is this edgy?

>>54049702

it's like that anon doesn't realize the entire setting is like GOTHIC SKULLS AND DEATH< BUT FUCKING YUGGGE

>>54049702
I count at least 22 skulls. Did I miss any?

>>54049799
I got 24.

>>54049542
>2 skulls
These guys are actually pretty tame when it comes to skull count.

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>>54049182
marines are basically doomguy just less cool than him. Personality is for fags rip and tear.

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OW DA EDG ITS SO EDGEE

>>54050174
>when your too edgy for the french foreign legion and they get mad at you for wearing a skull mask
>>54049569
thanks for source anon.

>>54049378
>Alpha Legion already has the Primaris Geneseed

I really hope that just becomes their unique theme.

>t. 5´11 "male"

Sorry, but you're no competition for Chad Thundercock and neither are your marinlets.

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>>54049542
I like them.

>>54049076
I think they're better models, I hate the fucking lore. That said I still acknowledge that it exists since it is a thing, and depending on the army would probably use a few in some situations if I get into muhreens.

>>54049076
Do you eat mud for dinner? With shit taste like that, it would surely be a heavenly dish.

>>54050129
>2016 Doomguy has no personality

>>54049076
one on the left looks easier to paint without having to worry about glue fucking up the paint.

>t. mid to low tier painter.

>remove Robert Downey shoes
>make them more static, so you don't have entire army of marines all doing the same epic hero pose
>make them regular marines without fucking up the fluff, people can suspend their disbelief when playing the game with toy soldiers holding a gun bigger than his entire body
fixed

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>>54050510

90s plastics are the best miniatures GW ever made. Not an inch of pretentious overdetailing on them.

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>>54050626
I agree with you on overdetailing. Way to much gubbins on most new models IMO.

This fucking garfy guy can make the proper old shit look good. pic related.

>sign up for 25mm game
>oops 28mm
>oops 34mm or however fucking tall Primaris are
>also at some point they altered base sizes
>at least Epic is coming b--
>oops 8mm

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>>54050689

Yep, a lot of the old stuff you only ever see in faded scans of printed White Dwarfs, which never helps a sculpt; but with a modern approach even the goofiest monopose plastics can look pretty sharp.

>>54050626
>pretentious overdetailing
This is what you call having quality molds, got you.

>>54049542
>sonic weaponry
>terror tactics like flaying enemies and hanging them from trees

Oh no Guilliman baby what is you doing?

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>>54049542
>lul so edgy
Yes, there has never been something this edgy available for vanilla space marines ever.
Absolutely ever.

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>>54050754

It's a direct quote of this legend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cx8sl2uC46A

>>54049542
Paint them black and they look like the coalition troops from rifts

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>>54050754
nah. They just can't live with flat surfaces. Gotta put some gubbins on it not matter how shit it gets.

>>54050626
>>54050689
>>54050744
>>54050818
I love all of these. Does any company still make miniatures like these?

>>54050818
nice video.

>>54050818
I have never been parodied so goddamn well.

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returning the the hobby /tg/,

should I start deathwatch?

>>54049616
It's not absurd enough. One skull makes it look like someone thought a skull mask would be genuinely cool. A dozen skulls is GRIMDARK and hilarious.

>>54050933
No, you should be a Salamander, friend.

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>>54050933
Obviously you shouldn't because deathwatch has too much going on on their models. lel

>>54050365
We Infinity now

>>54050365
So they're power armored scouts.

>>54051047
what the f

>>54049104
>dynamism
the right one is so based exactly because it is not dynamic but stoic. it say
>i don't give a shit that you shoot at me, my armour and the emperor's blessing will keep me safe, xeno faggot

>>54049099
>>54049113
>>54049150
t. GW employee samefag

>>54049266
i like mine more futuristic special forces style

>>54051250
t. conspiracy manlet

>>54051360
kek

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>>54050365
I like them alot also. Thinking of making my chapter a raven guard sucessor that has a high amount of the dudes.

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>>54049696
the new models aren't even close to being my favorite marine models.

>>54051360
t. caught red-handed GW employee on damage control

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>>54050877

You can pick up a lot of this kind of stuff on eBay cheap. Reaper Bones, Oakboumd and em4 spring to mind too, generally they're quite old school.

>>54051424
t. "everyone I don't agree with is a GW employee on psyops" short person

>>54051381
Ditto. Probably not all using that head, but the slimmed down armor looks good for a stealth chapter. Just grab some of the arms from the other kits when I need some Intercessors or Hellblasters.

Just need to wait for the normal kits so I'm not stuck with the 3 same monopose models.

>>54051568
I think beakie heads would look nice also. Im probably gonna fill in the leg gap though.

>>54050714
Basic humans are still 28mm tall, and It's always been marketed as 28mm (HEROIC GAISE) for as long as I can remember.

>>54049542
Chad marines are ok, but this is new level of hype.
No terrible gorget, no huge chestpice ornament.
I can already see them running across the battlefield shouting "outta my way, chaos fucking shits"

>>54049603
good nggghh

>>54050365
>special traning and wargear
>it's knife and bolt-pistol
Top kek

>>54050243
That wasn't the legion, that was public opinion, thanks to the "scary photo of a scary death soldier" photo being published for the average cvilian faggots to be upset over.

>>54051890
>>54051890
>"This image is not representative of France's action in Mali," French military spokesman Colonel Thierry Burkhard said at a news conference.

Original source no longer exists, but there is a shitty escapist write up.

Either way you take bullets for their political aims, and they cry about skull masks.

>>54051890
http://www.ledauphine.com/vaucluse/2013/11/22/orange-l-ancien-legionnaire-au-foulard-du-mali-condamne-hier-pour-s-etre-presente-avec-une-kalachnikov-dans-une-pharmacie

You have to trnslate it with google from frog.

That picture fucked his whole life up. I knew I read it somewhere.

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To person who did this, thank you

>>54050365
The skull mask in that picture looks way cooler than the ones on the actual models.

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>>54052060

>>54052060
>>54052222
Kek

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>>54049542

>Skull helmets
>Edgy

So edgy and never seen before, 40k is truly dead

>>54049542
>wearing assless chaps

This has gone too far.

>>54049076

I don't like that particular 2E sculpt, but I do prefer both Primaris and marinelets. I have a lot of resin guys with entirely mixed marks, like Mk IV helmet, Mk V chest and legs, Mk III shoulders, etc.

>>54049132

The one on the left is a fucking ranking officer. You're comparing an HQ to the lowest trooper.

>>54049542
Looks mostly fine but what the fuck is going on with their greaves?

Looks like they're wearing the power armour equivilent of shorts and trainers.

>>54050365
>skull faced
>masters of terror
>vox-amplified roars
>fade back into the shadows

So GW literally just combined NLs, EC, RG, and Carcharodons into one unit?

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>>54052452
No, they're a completely new unit, created from scratch by the genius intellect of Roboute Guilliman, master of all warfare, no other influences.

>>54052570
>mfw Aggressors are just going to missile terminators with HF strapped to their hands

>>54049542

>dose pistols tho
>want them for my commanders

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>>54052570
Indeed. Guilliman has never met a foe he could not defeat.
>>54052631
Would make them useful at least.

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DEFEND THIS, MARINELETS! YOUR DAYS ARE COUNTED!

>>54050365
>Spelling reaver reiver.

Like wtf GW

>>54052752
>Spelling reiver reaver.

Like wtf anon

>>54049702
Its because its not grimdark edgy its hot topic jack skellington edgy

>>54050365
Sooo, they're just like ALL Space Marines ever then? Except with skull masks. Have the Chaplains heard about those yet?

>>54052872

Chaplains get new larger Primaris skull masks. Think bobbleheads.

>>54049542
You look away for a year and when you pay attention again GW has made truescale marine models and done some jewmagic with the lore so they can sell both the truescale ones and the old chibi marines.

Never change GW.

>>54052872
I don't really see how a skull mask is going to make a spehs muhreen any scarier that it already is. It's like putting a halloween mask on a tiger, no one's going to care about the mask because they're more worried about the 300kg big cat behind it.

>>54050877
especially for fantasy,
Black tree design makes a lot of old-school stuff.

>>54049560
>>54049609
>>54049616
>>54049702
>>54050813
>>54052305
That is not at all why I hate these miniatures. It is because they are trying so damn hard to be cool and srs compared to their contemporaries that it comes off as pathetic and desperate.

>>54049132
>ridiculously overdesigned and utterly unsubtle.
>overdesigned

Mutherfucker, primaris marines so far have been clean and simple. You must go blind whne you look at an AoS, Chaos or any chapter specific marine. Fuck, your soul must explode from your body when you see a space wolves army, to be tormented for a thousand years in a pit full of legos and pepperspray if you think that primaris marine, whom is pretty fucking bare bones, is overdesigned.

I don't even like GW sculpting, but I can see primaris marines are some of the best models they have made in years if not decades (ignoring the reivers and the floaty boat guys. Those guys are stupid looking)

>>54053223
Hello gw employee. Now fuck off

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>>54053223
I agree, I'm tempted by the chad marines, because of the clean lines. (also the gravus armor captain looks shit) I'm glad Im not a chaosfag anymore.

>>54049238
Night Lords Omnibus.

>>54053249
Hello manlet. Can I interest you in some snap fit chads?

>>54053255
chaos marines look like a bitch to paint

>>54053285
They're about as hard to paint as you make them. You can easily just do a bunch of drab base coats and a wash and call it a day because the details make it pop.

>>54049076
Test

>>54053313
Failed!.

>>54053249
I'd say suck my dick, but your marinelet stature wouldn't let you reach it even if I sat down. No, I play other games, not warhammer, and dip into the GW pool of aids only long enough to grab the diamond they shit out once in a while.

But someone who calls primaris marines overdesigned by default clearly has not ever looked at anything else in the GW selection. You can't argue that.

>everything GW designs that's not a average space marine looks like trash.
>flying bubble men
>skull faced basketball shorts guys
>skip-leg-day-naught.
>Fat body short arm commander.
>Tank looks decent ish if you snip off the turret.
Literally the only primaris things that look decent are the marines. GW can't design anything new.

>>54049076
I prefer the one on the right because according to the rules he's a useful min-max expenditure of points.

Primaris Marines are just a waste of points. The ONLY good Primaris unit is the Interceptors at this point. Intercessors and Hellblasters are hot garbage. I can get a unit of devastators using better guns for CHEAPER than Hellblasters.

>>54053349
Yeah, because the fact that one model is overdesigned is clearly a property related to other models. Are you retarded? Your autism is clearly showing.

>>54053420

The Inceptors are overpriced. Hellblasters are the good ones, they are longer range plasma that doesn't lose you a special weapon when they take a single wound.

>>54053454
Hellblasters aren't really good. They can't take good cheap transports as whatever Primaris Rhino will likely be godawfully expensive in both senses. Meanwhile all you need to kick the teeth in of everything this edition is a gunline of marines with devastators and tacs focused on weight of fire backed up by HQ's dropping re-roll buffs. That Ultramarine annihilated most of everything and IIRC they didn't even have Primaris in it.

>>54053425
the ratio of overdesigned to not minis in GW selection is staggering. Nearly every single chapter specific model is a cesspool of turbo-literal vomit on top of a space marine. Chaos are horrendous nowadays, though arguably, thats how chaos should be. Primaris marines, the foot slogging types are, as a whole, not overdesigned, especially not up to the par of GW models. If you can't see that then I'm afraid you might want to sterilize yourself. It's not silly ha ha GW sucks opinion, its a goddamn fact.

If it makes you feel better, PP is the same level of garbage, but worse because they can't make models that aren't heaps of shitty unwanted details anymore. GW can at least meld the elements together once in a while.

>>54053420
>Intercessors and Hellblasters are hot garbage. I can get a unit of devastators using better guns for CHEAPER than Hellblasters.
A squad of long fangs with 5 missile launchers is 30 points more than a hellblaster squad.
Missiles are fucking cheap heavy weapons.
WTF are you on about?

>>54053545
PP models are too chunky, that's why all the details clutter them
Citadel models have a much finer sculpt, so the accumulation of details is less awkward

>>54053586
It's not just that, PP has gotten worse and worse as far as proportion and detail level. They keep trying to cram more and more into less and less space. Trolls were once amazing, interesting and intricate with skin folds, scars and bony chunks. Now they just have hands coming off their fucking elbows and RUNESTONES on top of RUNESTONES on top of SCROLLS AND AXES. Oh, sometimes runestones. But every faction has spiralled on the cartoonishly over the top level.

GW has been slowly, but surely pulling back, as if they see what their mistakes were but are too scared to just jump out of the burning building. So, they are putting out fires. Controversial choices, certainly, but the new nurgle models, for example: busy, but well done. Not a million textures and shapes, recognizable bits and bobs... Well done. Primaris marines are damn clean and pretty simple, overall. If they are overdesigned, then ultramarine terminators are overdesigned.

>>54053675
I feel the nurgle models are still too busy. Nurglites probably like them though

>>54053711
I hate them, I personally like the older style plague marines, expsepcailly forgeworld ones. the new ones are too much like AoS with out the right helmets

>>54053711
at least they're readable

what bothers me about them is the cartoonish horns that look like something Tim Burton or Johnen Vasquez would draw. I know it's supposed to look reminiscent of Wayne England's style but it just looks silly. It's exactly the kind of shit Maxime Pastourel likes to sculpt, he's got that cringeworthy early 2000s noëliste sense of humor that makes him approach 40k in an excessively light-hearted and goofy manner.

Which is extra-stupid because on his own nurgle army he usually avoids that kind of shit and sticks to a more industrial look.

>>54049304

The classic mistake of thinking that edginess = nuance

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>>54052305
>The finger on his right glove isn't pointing at the viewer

EVERYTHING I KNOW IS A LIE!!!

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>>54053732
Well shit, I am mistaken.

>>54053781
>noëliste
I have no idea what that means. Even google doesn't help. We don't actually know who sculpts what anymore do we? Impressive you can pick it out.

The only nurgle I can stand is pre fall versions.

>>54053675
You don't really know what overdesigned means, do you?

>>54053914
>senses
The new death guard were sculpted mostly by Maxime Pastourel, who's famous for his heavily converted nurgle marines army he started 10 years ago. He was hired by GW about 4 years ago and you can see shitloads of callbacks to his own army in the new Death Guard minis.

Noëlistes are a French internet subculture made up of autists with a quirky lolrandom sense of humor and I'm pretty fucking sure he's one of them.

>>54053249
t. manlet

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>>54054038
>Noëlistes are a French internet subculture made up of autists with a quirky lolrandom sense of humor and I'm pretty fucking sure he's one of them.

ha ok.

>He was hired by GW about 4 years ago and you can see shitloads of callbacks to his own army in the new Death Guard minis.

Interesting.

>>54049076

I like both desu. One of my goals is to have at least one squad from every ed of 40k. Already got 2, 4, 6 and 7.

>>54054082
faggot

>>54049542

Why the fuck are the grenades on the FRONT of their chest armor? I feel like thats dumb, even for a game about armored muscle space wizards from the future.

>>54053176
Sounds like you're projecting m8.

>>54050365
Is cool and everything but it looks like something from a different setting.

why can't girls be space marines?

>>54054838
They're too short

>>54054838
Because they don't have male genetics.

>>54054859
But males are genetically female technically first.

>>54054838
Because girls are yucky. The Emperor says so himself.

>>54054838
Girls don't have a bolter.

>>54049076
golden times for you on ebay then i guess

>>54049542
D-does the codex astartes support custom face masks?

>>54050365
Wait? This is an officially piece? That pic looks like shitty fanart at best, especially the font.

>>54054623
Sounds like you're overcompensating.

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>>54054945
>Girls don't have a bolter.

>>54054871
Y-chromosome says otherwise.

>>54055092
That's not how fetal development starts though.

Pretty glad that GW is systematically purging the people who prefer the old aesthetic. Great strategy on shifting the demographic.

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>>54054838

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>>54055262

>>54049076
God I hope they release cloak & Sniper rifle variants...

Masks are not my cup of tea though. Leave that edgy shit to LOLCHAOS

>>54055219
Not him, but that anon said "genetically". Because of that, females and males are different.
On the mere development level yes, there is stuff that must b triggered after, and that's regulated by Y for males.

>>54053711
Eh, too many horns for my taste.

The pinnacle of Nurgle model design for me are Putrid Blightkings from fantasy and the only Dark Imperium model that matches their greatness is the Blightbringer with his censers, the butcher's apron and the bell.

Though I gotta admit, the dude with the Blightlauncher from the upcoming Easy to Build box looks damn fine, too, but that might just be because I think Horus Heresy Destroyers are really cool

>>54053363
Yet they're all vast improvements design-wise over Storm[nouns] and Centurions.

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>>54050626

'You can't even tell what this is...!'

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>>54050754
A lot of their newer sculpts are overdetailed. New raptors for instance. Almost no flat surface anywhere on this mini outside the jump pack, and it has fucking teeth on it for some reason. I mean half of my complaint is that they ditched the older, much cooler raptor jet engine packs, but it still looks bad regardless.

>>54057144
the problem isn't the amount of detail, it's the general lack of elegance compared to the previous raptors

>>54057214

>The problem isn't the amount of detail

It is though, there's not much blank canvas to work with. Your Raptors must look like Teethy McSpikeyfaces, instead of being plainer miniatures where your colourscheme has more of a contribution to the overall look.

Coupled with how GW cut up the miniatures on sprue now making a lot of units, particularly single HQs, essentially monopose, the technology and mold quality is clearly better, but it's all a bit dull.

And this is before thinking about how the Design Studio has little of the permanent talent it did a decade or two ago, and the over-reliance on texture stamps and the like in CAD programs.

>>54052060
Hey baby, ever had your asshole licked by a fat man in power armour?

>>54057512
it's a problem because it's a clumsy attempt to embellish graceless miniature.

that amount of detail would be absolutely great on raptors that are as dynamic, elegant and stylish as the old ones.

>>54049696
Worse being a dark Angels player
>be butt end of every joke
>have some bitchen models
>some of the coolest first company lore despite having the worst terminators
>have the worst payker disciplines
>get access to none of the cool toys like contemptor, cataphractii, or tartaros
>with chad marines realize you will never get new deathwing or raven wing models

>>54057836
>be butt end

:^)

>>54054838
The same reason why a middle aged men can't

>>54058083
Too kawaii?

>>54050626
>gravity land!
Oh boy saving the big laughs for the end

>>54057104
Joke aside what the fuck is that?

Dwarf riding a winged colour coded Cerberus?

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I often see people defend GW with the old "waaah! I hate change" reply to any criticism. Yet I also feel that a lot of people don't really take the time and really look into how much of established aestethics really change in the new GW designs. Take the reavers for example, they are not edgy because of a skull mask, but rather their design is the antithesis of everything we have seen of the classic space marine, they look more at home in the infinity universe than they do in 40k, they are so lithe, their boots look tacticool rather than the heavy imposing boots and greaves of the space marine.

As a skaven player I just gave up when the end times came out. I can barely put into words how much I hate the new rat ogre things.

They look like they would be more at home next to a Cryx Slayer than a horde of skaven slaves.
Nothing about them is skaven. The warp stone is refined and not jagged, the plate armour don't look hammered but welded, the use of rope and crude edges is more or less gone aswell, I mean look at all the previous skaven kits in the previous generation. They all have some sort of jagged metal bits, from the slaves to the grey seer... pieces of rope, again from the storm vermin to the plagueclaw, these new things have nothing of the established skaven aestethics.

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>>54050365
pronounced "Reyvers"

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>>54054161
>>54054038

I hate that his stupid "plaguebones" chapter symbol has appeared on the new models as a pseudo-mark of Nurgle.

It's the fucking East India Trading co. symbol. His conversions are great, but how the fuck did he not realise this?

>>54049616
>waah waaah
>supports edge
are you a child?

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>>54059101
What are you talking about? I really like the art direction the new Primaris Heavy Mkx Gravis Armor Catastropher Destructus squads look with their direction, just like the Primaris Reiivers.

>>54049702
it actually makes sense with the gothic style.
fuck you blanche is great

>>54059890
You missed the point.

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>>54059890
Blanche is shit. He's a fetish artist who can only see in red, yellow and brown.

Battlefleet Gothic and the 3rd ed rulebook cover were likely coloured (or even drawn) by someone actually competent.

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>>54059948

>>54059101
the old aesthetics were garbage and you know it, if you leave the hobby then good riddance, the community will be better off without you

>>54059948

The only people who like Blanche are skill-less faggots who can't even draw to save their life, like the talentless hacks on this board.

>>54059948
>>54059967
I never liked Blanche art style desu, but it looks way better on models. His conversions are pretty cool.

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>>54053675
>GW has been slowly, but surely pulling back,

>>54049182
Agreed. Also why Imperial Guard will always appeal to me. An average joe with a standard issue rifle standing up to daemons, eldritch abominations, aliens and superhumans never gets old.
Space Marines with the exception of Deathwatch are bland and uninteresting, and their fluff is often cringeworthy with these hundreds of years old veterans acting like teenage boys.

>>54060082
I can't even understand if half of the things in front of him are connected to the body

>>54053176
>they are trying so damn hard to be cool and srs compared to their contemporaries that it comes off as pathetic and desperate.

it's like you closed your eyes and screemed "LALALALALALA" for the last 10 years

>>54060052
>I never liked Blanche art style desu, but it looks way better on models. His conversions are pretty cool.
they are the shit my dude.
>>54060044
>draw
I was talking about his models.
concept art is fine too, liked the skit.

>>54060024
>defending AoS designs
Kys

>>54049076
Good old second company, the comfiest company in the imperium.

>>54060337
No. and WHFB was a bloated overcomplicated mess

>>54059101
had the same problem with the end times dorfs.
>dorfs use a lot of chain mail
so of course the long beards and hammers are wearing grombiel armour with flat edges.
it never really fit to me.
Also the posing seemed odd, the old hammerers had a very dynamic sense to them but the new ones are just limply holding on to their hammers

>>54060400
>WHFB was a bloated overcomplicated mess
the game system or the design?

>>54049542
>Skull face
>Blue armour
>Gold trim
>Red detail

Night lords confirmed

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>>54060400
>WHFB
>an overcomplicated mess

>>54060400
>WHFB was a bloated overcomplicated mess
Brainlet please

>>54060400
We are still talking about aesthetics? Because calling WHFB designs overcomplicated and bloated is like the biggest bait I've seen in weeks

>>54049182
Space marines were interesting as an aspect of the Warhammer 40,000 setting. They are not interesting as the cast of the Space Marine Saturday Morning Cartoon Action Block.

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>>54049174
I think they're a fair balance. They aren't insanely over designed and do their job well.

Plus they look 1000x better than the old marines.

>>54051391

>most based chapter

mah nigguh

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>>54049542
I like the one without the full helmet but the skulls look pretty stupid. Then again you can't make skulls look more stupid than the Legion if the Damned and other marines.

>>54053586
Wut? PP models are fat compared to something like Infinity models, but compared to modern GW models they're practically anorexic.

>>54061213
I mean each element is thick and chunky

the details aren't finely sculpted

>>54052752
can't copyright reaver

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>>54052570
Yeah.

>>54062422
This doesn't become any less retarded the more you repost it.

>>54049238
The appeal of the marines is that you can create your own chapter/theme and theme try to puzzle out which codex/legion rules would work best for your theme. The fun is building your own individual trooper and units to fill out your chosen codex list. If you create your own chapter you can pull inspiration from any power armor army or story or playstyle. You should read "Betrayer" or "Horus Rising." GW fluff has never been any good. if you want to understand 40k you should read Eisonhorn and Necropolis. otherwise you need the 2nd edition rulebook or the Nercomunda sourcebook. Everything esle is just so much chaff

god I hate what's happening to 40k

are these just an excuse for GW to make the billions of Space Marines already sold obsolete?

>>54053105
never stop being you

>>54053105
comment of the day

>>54062613
I think there is something to it, but I think its a good development

>>54053781
yes!

>>54060595

I'd implant my geneseed in that neophyte

>>54054161
Am I the only one who thinks his army looks retarded? Newfag is ruining 40k

>>54061330
Can't copyright reiver either probably, it's just a Scots/North English spelling of reaver.

>>54064092
His lord of skulls or whatever the tank monster is into the nurgle thing is pretty cool but I think the rest of his stuff is pretty average to meh tier.

>>54059101
Wow that would have actually really sucked. I feel you. I am only just relising we are all feeling the loss of Jes Goodwin miniatures. This is the fallout, how lucky we were...

>>54060024
Pull your head in anon newfag

>>54052404
lol this

>>54064182

Goodwin designed the Primaris

>>54049076

Yeah I do, right is a miniature and left is a toy.

>>54049099
/thread

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>>54049076

Wow it's really fair to compare that 1993 snapfit miniature to this cutting edge shit.

>>54049076
On one hand, this is a really awkward solution to the fact that Space Marine models are about the same height as normal humans. On some level I think declaring a phase-out would have worked better - at least then you could have stubbornly stuck to the old models instead of trying to awkwardly jam the new in. And the older marine styles aren't that bad, especially since they've gotten a lot of kits and there's a lot of mixing and matching you can do with them, and there's a lot of armor marks and even different edition styles you can use to help make a very mixed, interesting-looking force - whereas the Primaris Marines do not have near as much vareity as of yet.

On the other hand, Primaris Marines have more of a sense of movement rather than the awkward squat, and while they're a bit generic now, they might get Blood Angel or Space Wolf or Dark Angel flavors in the future, not to mention other chapters. GW has pushed them forward, sure, but they haven't pressed them too hard or completely overshadowed the old marines yet. If they somehow manage to get some competent writers on it, it could be fun to play with the clash between the old and the new, the plight of marines with thousands of years of experience getting snubbed by those that are only physically better, or even the sacrifices they are still expected to make even as they are left behind by Gulliman's vision for an Imperium that does not include them.

>>54055219
So, at what point do chromosomes get added to a fetus? It's been a while since I sat in a biology class, but I'm pretty certain the sperm and the egg contain chromosomes, upon which the baby is formed.

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>>54049182
Superman is actually pretty cool if you're willing to look close at him. But when it's Superman among a cast of other heroes, so many of them with similar abilities, suddenly Superman is not as interesting.

Still mad that Supes got dissed. Batman doesn't deserve to beat him over and over.

>>54064377
If Superman and Batman fight in the comics 8/10 times Batman gets his ass kicked. Unfortunately one of the few time Batman one is the story which gets adapted.

>>54049542
Is no one going to comment on their greaves and boots? Maybe it's because I'm used to Buzz Lightyear boots, but they look like they're wearing heels.

>>54060082
Not all their new models look like this though. Far from it in fact

>>54064455
>>54060082
additionally it makes sense for Cawl to have a shit load of gadgets and gizmos, he's old as fuck and has been adding onto himself for millenia

>>54064317
>unpainted basing material
>basing material stuck to the rim of the base
>used the gay backstreet boys head
>shoddy paint job
>green deathwatch
Get the exterminatus...

>>54049132
>Overdesigned
Say what? They're actually too plain for my liking sonce I wanted to make rhem BT.

>>54064540
I do hope they release marine conversion kits

>>54064555

These are already compatible with the upgrade sprues currently made, so it won't be too quick

I genuinly hate every single one of the people who posetd in this thread. I hate you so fucking much. Go put a bullet in your brain so that noone has to suffer you again.

>>54064720
No

>>54064586
Not the BT one! Only pauldrons and helmets. Weapons and tabards aren't, and those are the most important ones.

>>54052752
>he doesn't know the original spelling
check your fucking british history anon, read a book the border reivers.

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>>54049076
>left one
>2k17
>GW still cannot in details
Angels of Death > Babylon godess of degeneracy

>>54049113
If this is true I may return to the hobby.
Want to do an England/Britain based Chapter.
The Albion Reavers or something.
Basically Red and White colour scheme with vets and captains having some blue(Union Flag Should pads or helms) thrown in.

>>54050626
>>54050689
shit started getting too fucked up around the release of Nagash IMO, maybe even Space Wolves, I'm guessing GW wanted to try to pick up some of the market from WoW?

>>54055219
Fetal development starts as neither gender. A girl is not simply a boy that lacks a penis.

>>54065405
They are INFINITYing the 40k range!!
This is outrageous!!

>>54065405
>injection mold plastic has less detail than spin-cast pewter
is that supposed to be new information

>>54050626
You need to seriously remove you nostalgia googles if you think those models look anything more than pure undiluted garbage for today's standards.

It always amazes me when one of your kind appears in a thread with their "muh goofy deformed plastic blobs" bullshit.

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>>54066257

Aha, alright mate don't get too wound up. Enjoy your £40 Bloodshocking Bloodletting Bloodsecrators or whatever GW says is cool next. I'll keep it real.

>faggots ITT shitting on Blanche
So it's finally come to this.

>>54066339
I don't even play 40k, I just have enough taste to apreciate modern models and don't overrate shitty old ones like you.

Why do all the other chapters go with Row Boat's "Primaris marines will be in squads where all of them have the same weapon" plan? Supposedly all chapters are getting them, so why do people like the Space Wolves and Black Templars who treat the codex as just a book someone wrote once still distribute the chad marines as instructed?

>>54051990
journalism should be illegal

>>54066506

Because GW want to put certain sprues in certain boxes and reach the largest market available for that. Simple as.

>>54066506
Because everyone obeys Guilliman.

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>>54066455

>taste

kek

The only thing that's definitely improved over time is the technology available to cast miniatures. If anything, particularly with GW, the creativity has taken a nosedive though.

>>54050877
wargamesfoundry.com

>>54066389
Nothing new about that, it has happen from time to time for years.

>>54066655
> Light dies before thy uncreating word

>>54066655
>things aren't exactly the same
>it's because GW is lacking creativity
Say what? Also, since when was GW ever creative?

GW's quality certainly took a hit when they switched to CAD, the models look a lot less "alive", for a lack of better word. But keep your 80s turds away from my eyes, there's nothing good about them.

>>54066655
That's garbage. I understand it was hot shit when it released and you didn't know any better, but you can't claim those models are better than any modern model, "creativity" is not a factor in this. A model is good if the execution is good, period.

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>>54049076
>tfw you actually prefer right to left

>>54049702
even the bird on his staff has a fucking human skull

>>54049076
I hate the new bolt weapons

The older boltguns aren't particularly elegant themselves, but at least they had the decency to not cover their casings in useless tacticool rails and panels.

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>>54066840
>>54066855

>But keep your 80s turds away from my eyes, there's nothing good about them.
>That's garbage.

I actually feel bad for you lads, you clearly don't have a clue.

>>54066936
I guess the penis tatoo makes it extra refined?

>>54049304
If you haven't read anything about the ultramarines past the memes and I, CATO SICARIUS then I can see why you'd think that, but ultras are reasonably tame otherwise. The Uriel Ventris books are where I'd start with ultras, it has actual character progression and doesn't have every make the most perfect decisions.

>>54049378
Naw, we'll just finally get Chosen models that aren't snap-fit and will just so happen to be a bit bigger than marinelets. Just like Thousand Sons and Plague Marines got a bit bigger. Turns out the most common form of warp mutation is growing taller.

>>54063890
They'll never come out and say you can't use your old models before, but, yes, these will eventually replace the marinelets.

>>54049542
You know what? I've always hated Space Marines because I thought they were boring but seriously, honestly, I actually am kind of tempted to make my own army now.

>>54066977
But Cato is one of the most flavorful and characterful parts of the Ultramarines.

>>54063890
they'll never be obselete.

they'll eventually stop getting sold though.

>>54049182
they were interesting in Rogue Trader when they were litteraly Space Nazis, the Ubermensch of the Imperium.
Now they are nothing but Super Heros...

>>54067049
He's still the most perfect child of the ultramarines.

>>54055072
>He thinks he meant the literal weapon
[Spoiler]he meant penis[/spoiler]

>>54050174
French Foreign Legionaire

>>54052686
they are missalighned, making it an unfair comparison.

>>54049182
>>54049182
It's the Mary Sue appeal. They want some cool, usually noble super heroes they can imagine as themselves. It's pretty common among people who have poor self esteem, they need either a flawless or edgy fantasy version of themselves to fantasize about, with an aesthetic and backstory they wish they could pull off.

>>54067049
what? no

Calgar, cassius, agemman... shit even graham mcneill's ultramarines have more character to them than cato. Largely because they get faced with hard decisions and have the ever loving shit kicked out of them despite their successes.

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>>54066130
>They are INFINITYing the 40k range!!
BOSTRIAED

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>>54066936
kind of related, can you or any other oldfag present tell me about this guy? I came across him but can't find any other pictures or information, even the rogue trader marines i find on google images are more put together

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>>54067245
ork tinboy

robots made in the image of the major races

>>54067264
cheers. I wish Orks were still this amusing

>>54067310
They haven't really changed much. Only problem is publishing three full background books for a single army is a thing of the past.

Waaargh Orks, 'ere We Go and Freebooterz should be mandatory reading for any ork fan.

>>54067108
He's an arrogant hothead.
>>54067193
Cassius is the only one of those that have any characterization at all.

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>>54066130
>This is outrageous!!
Nope, it's perfect

>>54067245
just your average 80s gw sculpt for a marine, anon
look at how beautiful it is, none of the overdetailed clusterfuck mess of modern gw can ever compare

>>54049569
Yup, Garfy is a really strong painter. His posts on the blog "Tale of Painters" are all solid. He even has Golden Demons.

Also, this photo illustrates how ridiculous the Centurions look. Not even a wicked paintjob could save those things

>>54049099
what does that mean?

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>>54049702
Because Reavers are cowadoody

>>54053278
Sisters models when? Also, nice platform shoes.

>>54064523

better than any shit you do, man

>>54059889
Cheif? Is that you?

>>54053112
This

>>54067245
>>54067264
These look damn fun, but not sure what I'd run them as in 8th. Look a little small for Killa Kanz.

>>54069776

Either mingle them in with Orc Boyz or maybe Lootas or something, they're small.

>>54050744
Damn, Battle Masters... that's taking me back, when we played Hero Quest with neighbours and brothers.

>>54069887
I do still have some Madboyz that I'll probably just turn into a small boyz mob (with an old weirdboy as a Nob), so they'd fit in well enough.

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>>54069896

I got some of the bits from it, unfortunately they came with some awful primer that I simply couldn't shift, so I made the best of them.

>>54067187
>all this projecting
Do you want to talk about something, anon? One can admire heroes without self-inserting.

>>54049542
>>54050365
>Night Lords wannabes

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>>54054161
>Plague Marines
>Clean
Not buying it.

>>54067407
Nice mashup of MLP and overwatch.

>>54070249
>MLP
where?

>>54062422
We Eldar and Infinity now

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>>54066172
You can still do much better than marines with hard plastic.

>>54066977
Problem is that Dead Sky Black Sun poisoned me towards Ultramarines long before Ward was a thing, as it perfectly described their greatest problem:

Chaos Lord
>What are you doing on my planet, Ultramarine?
Ventris:
>Penal Crusade.
Chaos Lord:
>What, did you get punished for taking a wrong turn in front of your temple or something?
Ventris:
>No, saved a few planets from the Tyranids, but not the way the Codex says I should have

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>>54071122
They specifically made primaris less detailed so people would paint own insignia on them.

>>54071291
So in order to prove your point you post the most overdesigned Primaris Marine.

I mean, the sword alone would give me nightmares. How would you even?
Then the rope over the gold design over the brestplate and then the two trillion details on the boltgun. I mean yeah, everything else is nice and smooth, but still.

>>54071291
And that's just lazy, you can include plenty of detail without putting on chapter specif iconography and without interfering with peoples ability to do so.

It also assumes that the person painting the model is either blind or 12, but hey that's probably GWs intention.

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>>54049076
Primaris is a genuine art design improvement and you have to be autistic to actually care enough about the fluff to be offended by them.

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>>54071602
Well some of them are, you posted just about the worst primaris design made by GW.

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You know is it just me or does making a marines head 15% smaller make them look a hell of a lot better?

>>54071631
GW will always do some kind of design fuckup and for some reason run with it.

>>54069776
They were like familiars for Mekboyz iirc. There was also a teeny mini-stomper called a Runtbot to provide protection for snotlings.

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>>54071653
Right so it also turns out that if you increase the size of a Primaris space marines head by 17% they have the same proportions as an old space marine.