EDH/Commander General

>>54049048
>What's a deck you're either been working on for some time or a general you couldn't quite get working?

Reaper King. I've tried building so many variants of the deck but have never stuck to it. It started with some janky Ally tribal deck before BFZ was even announced and I've since tried eggs, ETBs, and other things. Just nothing seems to stick and I've had this foil Reaper King mocking me in my binder for years.

Biggest issue is the mana base, "budget" five color mana bases are dreadfully slow and I don't really want to invest in like a full shockland/fetchland manabase, let alone duals.

>>54049048
>What's a deck you're either been working on for some time or a general you couldn't quite get working?
gw selvala stax has been a multi year project for me it wins in competitive tables but its just not right theres something off about it and I just cant get it to perform the way I know it can.

my 75% angry omnath deck always seems really disappointing also, its so much fun but its so all in on such an expensive commander.

mono black paradox engine has also been a chore I think ive almost got that one working though.
Ive been playing a jori en splinter twin list and thats been an inconsistent mess from day one

>>54049107
>Reaper King

holy shit same

although the biggest problem for me was having the deck do anything when reaper king was out of the field. the deck was mostly changeling creatures, mass flicker spells and some tribal effects, so it couldn't really do anything if reaper king was out of the game. i never built the deck because of that

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>>54049048
>Thread Question
OG Ghost Daddy.
I really wanted to build him as some sort of board wipe tribal, but the isn't enough payoff to having a 4/4 that drains for 1 sticking around.

>>54049159
From my experience he's a pretty tough buildaround and mostly he's there for incidental value.

Best success I had was an eggs deck with him. One of the fun combos was Reaper King + Heap Doll + Glissa, the Traitor. Basically becomes 1: Exile target card from graveyard, then destroy target creature. Also Salvaging Station was boss with Heap Doll and Jawbone Skullkin.

The deck also played other combos, mostly Mikaeus, the Unhallowed with Chainbreaker/Grim Poppet/Wingrattle Scarecrow for some mass permanent destruction.

Reaper King is just not a good general though but he's so cool that one day I will finish him.

Copy from last thread since I missed the redirect.

>>54047356
Impact Tremors, Purph, Pandemonium, Warstorm Surge, Sleep/Cryptic Command to force the alpha strike in, Arm with Aether considering Locust God, colorless anthems like Coat of Arms and Mightstone, Battle Frenzy, Betrothed of Fire, Breath of Fury, Deepchannel Mentor, Day of the Dragons, Dragon Rage, Favorable Winds, Furystoke Giant, Goblin War Drums, Hellion Eruption (Day of the Dragons is better though), Keeper of Kees, Lavafume Invoker, Lightning Volley/Flame Fussilade, Mana Echoes won't be a win but could be worth it if you can use it to go infinite or psuedoinfinite, Mindwrack Liege is a heck of an anthem and lets you flash out Locust God as soon as you get him back for cheaper than casting regularly, Mob Justice could be a surprise kill, Orcish Orilafamme, the Paragons, Sprite Noble, and maybe Tears of Rage for the epic alpha strike.

>>54049159
What about a clone tribal Reaper King deck? Sounds about as janky, but the clones at least do something when he's not out and act as Vindicates that you can reanimate all sorts of ways.

Are any of the Chandras even good for EDH, they all look awful.

>>54049230
4 ability one is good

>>54049230
Flamecaller is pretty strong. Sometimes she's just a 4RR 4 damage to each creature but she can draw cards and present a persistent threat with the two 3/1's (which can also serve as sac fodder if needed).

Torch of Defiance kinda fills everything you want. Card advantage, mana ramp, and removal, with a game winning ult.

Pyromaster is basically just Outpost Siege with some more utility. The +1 does pick off smaller mana dorks or remove blockers.

>>54049230
Torch of Defiance and Pyromaster give you repeated draw in mono-red and Torch can ramp you if you'd rather have that than the draw. I'd say both are... not format staples or anything like that, but at least playable.

>>54049219
that could work actually. but better to focus on very temporary clone effects because it's typically not worth it to burn a 4-mana one-use clone just to vindicate something. as in, splinter twin = good but sakashima = bad.

i might just build that actually

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>>54049048
How does Blue keep getting away with shit like this?!

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Do you have favorite tokens?

>>54049324
Blue has gotten clone effects from the graveyard before (body double)


But blue getting a mass reainmator effect does feel like a massive bend even with them being copys.

>>54049348
Body Double was Planar Chaos, so it's always been stretching it.

>>54049348
That's literally one card in a set where color pie fuckery was the theme. Wizards is just stroking Blue's dick at this point.

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>>54049395
>>54049385

Also this.

>>54049324
This card isn't even good why is everyone bitching about it.

We had embalm in Amonkhet and no one really complained, and embalm was essentially a blue/white mechanic.

>>54049439
Dreams of the Dead too since who cares what color the creature you're reanimating is since you only need blue to use it.

are storage lands any good?

>>54049048
>"Thread Question:
What's a deck you're either been working on for some time or a general you couldn't quite get working?"


I've been working on a Rashmi deck for a tourney at my LGS tomorrow. Only Standard legal sets allowed for your cards. EDH Banlist, not the standard one. I think I almost have it. I'm just trying to ramp out big spells.

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Garbage fire, coming through!

>>54049516
Not really, but if you consistently have extra mana lying around, they could be helpful in a long game.

>>54049541
Well shit.

>>54049541
fuck me why is red so goddamn GARBAGE all the time.
I weep for monored and burn players.

>>54049541

The shuffle rather hurts it. Which is a pity when Scry is in red's part of the pie.

>>54049516
They're way too slow, even with Atraxa or something.

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>>54049340

>>54049521
>standard legal EDH
I can't think of a more boring format.

>>54049340
I got tokens for my Brago deck, Eventide Spirits and Kaladesh Thopters.

>>54049541
>doesn't even have flavor text

>>54049541
>>54049583

>cast 20CMC for 6
>bad

Que

Why do I hate Golgari and Rakdos commanders so much when I like the colors themselves?

There is only one commander in each color I like and that is:

The Scorpion God because he looks like he can play some control with a side of card advantage built in, which appeals to me.

Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons is the Golgari commander I like because he seems like he could work similarly to my Tally deck. He looks like he can control the board and get some good advantage from tons of Deathtouch Weenies.

My group only plays multiplayer and I am not a huge fan of infect but everything else is on the table.

What's wrong with me?

>>54049668
Maybe you should reread the card, anon.

>>54049708

>four cards
>cast 5 or less for free

Yup, 20CMC for 6

>>54049612
The LGS owner does a new EDH tourney every 2 months. Last time it was tribal (creatures had to be in the creature type chosen and a minimum of 20 creatures), before that it was PW commanders (nonflip, ugin or karn) peasant (commons and uncommons allowed). They're pretty fun. And whatever deck wins gets banned so it can be used next time we have those rules. So, Tamiyo won the PW-Peasant tournament, so if we use those rules again, Tamiyo can't be used (the EMN Tamiyo).

>>54049700
Lyzolda and big dick Olivia are pretty fun Rakdos commanders. Not the most powerful, but you can be somewhat competent with them.

>>54049739
ya you only need to exile all your lands with that big blue fatty creature

>>54049668
its somewhere between 0 and 20
which would be 10 on average for 6 mana.
you also need to put a relatively high number of cmc 3-5 into your deck to even make it matter.
and then it also is random.
and then this is not the only red GARBAGE card and your 20 cmc best case scenario doesnt even kill your opponent turn 6.

>>54049746
I guess that's more interesting. I don't quite follow the banning logic though if the format changes every tournament.

>>54049817
It's probably a failsafe to keep people from trying to netdeck the winning deck and encouraging diversity. It's not hugely relevant, but it makes sense from the perspective of people trying to be careful with an unofficial format.

>>54049758
Okay so we run Trench Gorger with Hazoret's Undying Fury. Then the rest of the deck needs to be 5cmc to make sure we get our 20cmc worth. But we'll need a way to cheat Trench Gorger into play...
Okay so we use a 5cmc tutor to tutor for Corpse Connoisseur, put Trench Gorger in our graveyard, play a 5cmc reanimate spell, bring back Trench Gorger to exile all our lands, and then play Hazoret's Undying Fury for crazy value!

>>54049324
>How dows blue keep getting away with shit rares and mythics
I dunno man, i also wonder...

>>54049758
Or the two mana spell that does the same thing.

>>54049048

Newzuri.

Everyone in my LGS packs faster combos and wraths but I'm not giving up. It's gotta be faster and stronger

>>54050094
Just play him with Aluren + Cloudstone Curio and combo people out with Sage of Hours. Alternatively just dumping all the +1/+1 counters on a Blighted Agent works well too.

>>54050094
Ramp into T+N for Hornet Queen and Sage of Hours.

>>54049541
>Garbage fire
>make cube
>use conspiracy cards
>magic christmas land into casting 4 copies using this card
lol

>>54049739
>>54049668
>my deck is nothing but 5 cmc non-land cards

>>54050270
Man it's so weird seeing all these decks with etb taplands, random beaters with barely any synergy and awful acceleration and interaction.

Like, I get it, you don't want to be try hards. But packing bad cards and no answers is just asking to have an un-fun experience. You don't even need to break the bank to do it, just takes a little bit of thought in deck construction. If this describes you, you need to stop sucking.

>>54050317
Even then, that's optimally 6 mana to kill 4 creatures and not having your lands untap.

Could I make Gruul Wort Landfall work for under $200?

Maybe some token doublers and things like Purph and Impact tremors?

I want to make it more combat based and not just burn or land des

>>54049048
>a general you couldn't quite get working?
Alesha
Oona
Horde of Notions
Jori En

>>54049107
>>54049159

Reaperking is meant to be played as a MLD stax general

>>54049541
Wow, this might be the worst rare in the set so far.

>>54050537
>making a fun commander unfun
For what purpose? He's not even good at stax because he comes online so late in the game.

>>54050537
It's totally not. Stop being retarded. Besides
>5c stax

>>54050608
>Reaper king
>Ever "fun"
The whole deck is vindicate land destruction.dec the biggest goals I see in reaper king decks is stuff like rite of rep with kicker or blade of selves.

All of the actual creatures reaper king decks run are really weak, and ideally you just blow up all of everyones resources and grind it out.

It's a very Johnny style deck, but I wouldn't pretend it's any better than stax, since when it works they are largely the same.

>>54049395
>Wizards is just stroking Blue's dick at this point.
My sides I can't stop laughing

>>54050696
That's like saying winning via infinite mana and capsize is stax. It's not.

>>54049324
>How does Blue keep getting away with shit like this?!
because the color pie is already lopsided pro blue so they will get shit for a while.

>>54050951
I'm not the guy who said it was stax, I'm just the guy saying from a "fun" perspective there isn't any difference between the two (or winning with infinite capsize buyback for that matter)

>>54049324
It's just a scalable body double. Holy shit people, calm down.

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Wew

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>>54051279
I don't have time for this.

>>54051279
So terrible. Confiscate is 6 mana and does so much more. This is a shitty control magic and a double shitty treachery.

If they wanted to make it almost worth it they could have at least given it two targets

Reaper King is meant for 5c artifact goodness. Dis thread sux.

>>54051721
>Confiscate
>Treachery
>Control magic

Can be removed, as they are all auras.

The downside can be mitigated by playing decks with dorks, rocks, or other untap mechanisms.

>>54051279
>control magic but with a shittier drawback
fuck that

>>54051721

It could be worse. It could be >>54049541

>>54051810
If you are implying that you can't stop the effect because it's a sorcery you are wrong though. It's definitely not worth making this an 8 mana card. Shit son, look at Gilded Drake.

>>54051927
>Gilded Drake.

Only targets creatures.

I don't think Kefnet's last word is a must include in decks, but I think you guys are ignoring its versatility in having different legal targets and the fact its indefinite.

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>What's a deck you're either been working on for some time or a general you couldn't quite get working?
Malfegor, but I have never really put all that much effort into it. Anyone have a good list or some spice?

>>54051975
Blatant thievery hits every permanent type, steals multiple permanents, is as indefinite as this, and effectively costs less mana.

It's just a bad card anon. None of the cards in this cycle we're good.

>>54051975
only time I could ever see using that card is if you already have a static orb in play

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>>54049048

>What's a deck you're either been working on for some time or a general you couldn't quite get working?

Blue Braids. I love the card, but I just can't make it work in my meta.

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>>54049541

>shuffle your deck

Fucking why

>>54051279
this couldve been UU counter target spell dont untap your lands next turn
wtf

>>54052267
>Strictly worse counterspell
I would have settled for a 1 CMC mana leak with the cycle drawback

>>54051279
So B>G>W>U>R for this cycle? I might be placing W too high, but it seems fun after using necropotence or a few turns with Bob.

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>>54052233
we wouldnt want to make it op now anon :^)

>>54052112
>effectively costs less mana

There's a huge difference between costs and "effective" costs. I'd much rather play Deep Analysis than Tidings.

>>54053008
that's because deep analysis is flexible and you can choose whether you want to use its flashback or not
kefnet's last word is always 8 mana 'spent' over two turns and will punish you even if you exclusively pay for it with mana rocks and/or dorks - in which case you'd be able to cast blatant thievery anyway and get much more bang for your buck

it's not really comparable

>new cycle of gods
>white and green get shafted again

I want to start buying manabase for a 5 color commander but don't have a big budget.

Let's say a third of my deck is green so I can ramp/color fix.
If I can't buy everything, is it better to have the four GX bi/rav/fetch/whatevertheyareLands so I'm always sure to have green;
or get more basic forests and have the non-green dual lands so I have pretty safe basics and can get more colors with the non-basics.

>>54053477
>Let's say a third of my deck is green so I can ramp/color fix.
that sounds like my 5c deck
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/16-08-16-mana-mastery/

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>>54053477
>mfw somebody plays a fugly five color deck near me

>>54053552
>.png
>9000x9000
>407kb

what witchcraft is this?

>>54053397
>is always 8 mana 'spent' over two turns

What if you pay for it with a land, a Sol Ring, and a Signet?

>>54049948
>>54049817
Because we'll go back to Tribal, PW-Peasant, Standard Blocks Only and so on. And then, when the banlist gets too big, he hits the big old reset button and we start over.

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>>54049048
>Thread Question:
>What's a deck you're either been working on for some time or a general you couldn't quite get working?

This fucker right here.

So I'm thinking about doing a Neheb, the Worthy commander, what are some vital cards that I'd need to have in it?

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>>54049048
Every so often I pick up a few cards for Doran, but I've never actually put him together because I've never heard of the deck doing amazingly well.

>>54054084
Depends on the build you're going for. I play enchantress, so many of the discard enchantments are a must. I also play garbage such as Cover of Darkness so there's that.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/breya-etherium-shaper-competitive-combo/
Can I get some advice on what 7 cards to add?

>>54054118
looking at he art up-close makes me think of speedlines, which brings to mind:

very fast tree running at incredible hihg speed

>>54054203
Swiggity swooty, he running on his rooties

>>54054084
spooky neheb

>>54054118
>>54054203
>>54054258
this is why treefolk is best tribe

why that shit gotta cost money tho

>>54054183
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/breya-etherium-shaper-competitive-combo/
mystical tutor

>>54053753
Are you misreading the card? All lands you control don't untap, not just the ones used to play the spell. If it stops you from using your other mana sources that turn, it effectively costs you what you can't use

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I'm building pic related and would like some help cutting cards. My focus is mainly on discard and zombies

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/01-06-16-lili/

I'm feeling pretty burnt out with my decks (Breya and GrimGrin) Any good deck recommendations?

>>54054183
Enlightened tutor.

>>54054364
scarab god

>>54053753
and what, you're just not going to use any of your other mana to cast anything else?

of course, if all you've got is a land, a sol ring, and a signet then fair enough, but you're still going to have at least one or two other lands because it's cast on t3 at the minimum with that setup

>>54054364
Yasova.

>>54054263
?

>>54054356
i cut the most obvious shitty cards out

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/lili-copy/

i didn't dare cut more because i don't know what exactly you'll want to do with the deck. i think you should focus less on reanimating your own stuff (your creatures are mostly low cmc) and more on discard and card draw. alternatively, focus less on making your opponents discard, and instead run lots of creatures that you can yourself discard into your grave to reanimate later.

you should consider running Greed, Sign in Blood, Night's Whisper, Promise of Power and Read the Bones off the top of my head. they're just plain good draw spells and they will thin your deck nicely

>>54050377

/tg/ cannot into mtg. It's people who barely play, complaining about people who do play and why the people playing the game are making it worse.

And spikes. Fuck spikes more than anything.

>>54054356
>>54054800
oh and the third option is stax with tons of zombie tokens and lots of force saccing like Smokestack and Magus of the Abyss and so on. so either commit to those tokens or dont. otherwise cards like Dark Salvation are kinda weak because they take so much mana to cast and you don't want to discard them either.

>>54054328
>>54054468
I'm saying you only have those things.

>it's cast on t3 at the minimum with that setup
Actually, that's doable turn 2.

>>54051279
If I need the flexibility, I will pay the 2 mana rather than skipping a turn for Confiscate. More likely, I'll play Control Magic or Treachery.

>>54052378
B>>>>>>>>>>>>G>W>U>>>>R or thereabouts.

>>54054824
>run answers
Why would I ever do that when I can instead just complain that any card that costs more than bulk should be banned?

>>54054800
>>54054906
Nice, thanks!
The reason why I want to run cards like dark salvation and rise from the grave is because I love flavorful decks and had a lot of cards featuring liliana lying around.

>>54049107
Reaper King was the first deck I built back when I started in New Phyrexia. Entirely constructed out of my friends bulk and nonsense, it was a beautiful menagerie of terrible commons and uncommons with an artifact theme (thanks Mirrodin), but every time I got to slam down that King and boldly shout "ITS HARVEST TIME", I was as proud of that deck as I have ever been of any deck since. Over the years of playing with this group that got me into Magic (I didn't realize there were even other ways to play besides with 100 cards and a general) the deck slowly gained more rares, scarecrows, and artifact nonsense until it formed into the scariest deck in our playgroup, and the mere whisper of Harvest Time would send shudders down my friends' spine.

Flash forward 6 years, 1500 miles, and at least 50 decks built and retired. I no longer play with those long gone friends, and honestly I don't even have a group to play with that I even like. Still, Reaper King resides in a hallowed space in my deck case, foiled out, with only the most beautiful un-lands, triple sleeved with Perfect Fit Dragon Shields, Yuru Yuri custom art sleeves, and oversized art covers. It's final form a deck so bewildering to behold, so beautiful and terrible at the same time, an amalgamation of artifact and five color combo, that any who face its glory soon learn the terror of the words of the King.

To play Reaper King is to play the King of Magic. To utter his holy mantra is to evoke an emotion previously unbeknownst to those who hear it. To King is to Harvest. To Harvest is to King.

Remember this next time you play Magic, you're only playing a cheap imitation of what it actually is. Until you experience the Harvest, you have not truly experienced anything.

Hear his words and tremble, learn his words and rule. Play the King and only the King, and remember:
"It's Harvest Time."

>>54055066
>IT'S HARVEST TIME

This sounds like a copypasta holy shit

>>54055066
>it's autist time

>>54055167
dont be like that anon

>>54055167
>having fun is autistic
Oh... alright then.

>>54054977
not as far as i can tell.
with your own artifact setup:
>t1, island down and tap it for sol ring
>t2, tap sol ring for a signet
>signet's effect is pay 1 for an effective 1U, your only current source is an island
>even if you put down another island this turn, you only have an effective 1UU
>t3 tap sol ring, use 1 to pay signet for an effective 2U in your pool, tap island for last U, can now pay 2UU, cast the spell
>next turn your islands don't untap
you've now taken control of one(1) creature or artifact that your opponent's got out over the last three turns, and your island still isn't untapping next turn.

>>54055355
Not him but signets cost two mana not three right? So you could go t1 island, sol ring, signet.

>>54055355
>t2, tap sol ring for a signet

>>54055382
Ah, disregard this.

What are some cards I can throw into my mono green edh to prevent asshole blue players from stealing shit from my deck? As an alternative, what are some cards I can throw in to steal them back?

>>54055475
Homeward Path.

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>>54055382
>>54055390
okay yeah, i'm retarded. i don't know why that didn't click in my head.
so yeah, you can actually do it by turn 2. let's hope the opponent's already played some mana rocks of his own i guess.

>>54055475
Brooding Saurian in addition to Homeward Path if theft is really that prominent in your games.

In general though it's not that big of a deal. Bribery or Acquire for your Blightsteel is pretty strong for 5 mana but most of the time they're just cheating the mana a little bit.

>>54054034
Such a good toolbox commander

>>54055539
>>54055601

Thanks for the suggestions. Theft is constant and incredibly irritating, three of my "friends" run blue and they all have bribery and some other stuff to steal low cost artifacts. I'm literally an armory for everyone when I play. I took blightsteel out of my deck the second time we played and I haven't run it since. Words cannot express how frustrating it is to have someone cast my Vorinclex/Seedborn muse straight from my deck every game.

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ARE YOU READY TO START HORSING AROUND?

>>54055799
are you fucking shitting me. first cats now horses

>>54055743
That's a lot of theft. With Saurian and Homeward Path + a few of green's plentiful land tutors (Tempt With Discovery, Ulvenwald Hydra, the new sorcery that tutors two labds, etc) you should be able to blank their theft cards or drop one of these the turn after they steal and thank them for the free cards.

>>54055799
There are a total of 12 horses right now and they print this, amazing.

>>54055799
>lifegain payoffs
I'm okay with this.

>>54055799
>its real

WHY THE FUCK WASN'T THIS A CAT, OR ANY OTHER TRIBE THAT SHOWED UP RECENTLY

Jesus christ wotc what are you doing.

>>54056042
>tfw still waiting for a g/w cat legendary

>>54056042
Bitches love horses.

>>54056042
Don't be such a neigh-sayer, anon.

>>54055066
Is this pasta? Sure seems like it

>>54055799
This is a joke, right?

>>54055838
You wouldn't happen to know if there's a mono-green counterspell? I already have autumn's veil and an asceticism but it'd be nice if one did exist.

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>>54056123

>>54049176
Just use him for flavour and colour enabling if anything. Used to run a similar deck, packed with recursive creatures, more or less used ghost dad as a beatstick if I didn't draw any other threats.

>>54056200
You shouldn't be so surprised that they would trot out a card like this.

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>>54055799
YES! THIS IS EXACTLY SOMETHING I WANTED!
I'm being serious, too. I've managed great things with pic related, but man, that horse is gonna be magnificent. Sadly, I need to take my secret tech away from my deck.

>>54056182
Avoid Fate

>>54056182
Avoid fate.
Also if you don't want your creatures to be countered there is the recent prowling serpopard

>>54056299
>>54056261

Does avoid fate work on permanents on the stack? I don't play blue so I'm not very educated about this wording.

>>54055799
This is fucking amazing for my new Trostani deck.

It's even based on making copies of nontoken creatures, so I'll probably be able to end up with 2 or 3 Crested Sunmares, which will in turn make me half a dozen or more new horses a turn.

>>54056345
No

>>54056345
>avoid fate
permanents on the stack are still "spells" and not permanents.

Avoid fate only helps if they are casting something that is currently on your battlefield (ie a permanent)

>>54056345
>Does avoid fate work on permanents on the stack?
Permanents don't exist on the stack, they're spells while they're on the stack, and only become permanents once they're on the battlefield.

>>54056182
Try seed time, choke, and carpet of flowers to punish pesky blue players.

Please, guys, give me fun/good general recommendations my roomate is looking to build his third edh deck but we need a card to base around
currently hes running nicol bolas and Reyhan/Ishai duel commanders
any and all suggestions are appreciated and thanks ahead of time

>>54056402
fun/good are completely dependent on what the person likes to do.

its hard to give commander ideas based off that.

>>54056385
>>54056386
Damn. Thanks for helping me learn though.

>>54056417
Legit just any commanders you find either fun to play and or good we dont know all the people we can choose from so you guys may show us cards we dont know which we can then order

>>54056391
>Seedtime
I love cards like this. It's why I run summoning trap. Might as well be Smug-be-gone.

>>54055799
Should have been legendary. Pretty cool and fun new card though.

>>54056402
The current set of memes is slobad or wort if you're looking for an out-of-the-way deck. Out of all the stuff Ive built, I personally liked:

-5 color Zada (although if your group allows inktreader I'd say that is infinitely more fun). Bonus points for animating your lands and comboing with Jeskai Ascendancy
- Zurgo (mono red) lends himself to a hyper aggro deck with a low curve. Not really recommended in 4+player games, but he does well in a 3 person free for all.
-Karador non-combo reanimator, enjoy value town USA
-decks with fun interplay are also good to go with - I built a Riku deck with the explicit purpose to copy epic spells as many times as possible - resolving 5+ copies of Eternal Dominion is enough to make everyone laugh

But most importantly of all, I've found its not the deck that is fun - sure, it can be easier to pilot or more to your taste, but in the end you only have as much fun as you allow yourself. Out of all my decks, I enjoy that Zurgo the most (down the long list of 48 other decks I've now built and taken apart) because I just go out if my way to make splashy plays. I run times like REB and Pyroblast, and even Artifact Blast and Glorious End just to have fun with all the unique options mono red has to offer.

Oh and I guess the new scarab god will be pretty fun as well, if you need new blood.

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>>54056475
I love that gotcha moment.

Though if you really want to shut out blue steal or counters, you have to be the mean green staxxy machine . Root maze, mana web, hall of the gemstone, and pic related all put in work.

>>54056434
build zada

>>54049048
>Thread Question

Multiplayer Shu Yun has been a bane of my creation bone since he's come out. I've always had a Shu Yun deck, but it either offs one player and then I get murdered, or it sits around all game doing virtually nothing. Sometimes I'm able to stall out until only me and another player are left and I can win, but it requires tons of politics and luck. Feels bad man.

Also Pheldagriff, I want to make a deck that selectively hugs and I can't seem to get it down right, also there is always the issue with the win condition.

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>>54055799
Competitive horse deck when?

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Thoughts?

>>54056434
Saffir Eriksdotter
Bruna of Light Alabaster
Hanna, Ship's Navigator
Rakdos from RTR

>>54055799
This is one of the best cards I've ever seen in my entire life.

>>54056887
Doesn't suck my dick on etb. Shit card.

>>54054118
I just put together Doran actually, when the rest of the cards come I'll inform anyone who cares how ok it is. I should note that my philosophy is "never pay more than ten bucks for a piece of cardboard" so your results may vary.

>>54055799
Why isn't this a cat? Cats are already mono white and have token + lifegain synergies

Are there even any other horses in amonkhet?

>>54056887
Seems like it would work nicely in Melek.

>>54056887
Cool art but incredibly boring design and not relevant outside of budget EDH.

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>>54057390
Are you saying you don't like horses, anon?

Ok guys, I need the most anime/weeb commander and deck strat you can think of so I can commit social suicide at my LGS next week. What should I build?

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>>54055799
Very much so.

>>54057692
Just build a deck from these with some titty sleeves and a lewd playmat.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/waifus-2/

>>54057390
I was going to object, but then I realized that this is a good point. It feels like they chose the tribe specifically so that the first ability would only apply to the tokens and nothing else, which is a bit odd.

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>>54057692
Make sure it's at least UR so you can include anime Jace and Chandra

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>>54056865
:^)

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>>54057692
They don't call her Mayael the Anime for nothing.

>>54057937
isn't mayael shit now that partial paris isn't standard anymore?

>>54058002
Hell if I know.

>>54058002
Why would that make her shit? You're very slightly more likely to start the game with a fatty stuck in your hand but you should have ways to work around that anyways.
>Quicksilver amulet
>Sneak Attack
>Scroll Rack
>Fauna Shaman
>Survival of the Fittest
and to prevent yourself from drawing them at all
>Sylvan Library
>Top
>Mirri's Guile

>>54058131
>those cards
I'm not a richfag autist jesus christ

>>54058211
Be creative then, jesus christ. Quicksilver Amulet and Elvish Piper are cheap, and there's hundreds of ways to discard cards for value in Naya colors. Then if you want you can run things like Loaming Shaman, Elixer of Immortality, Primal Command, or a creature with a clause that shuffles your yard back in when it goes there. Or just accept that getting fatties stuck in your hand is going to happen and ramp into hard casting them.

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>>54058499
>elven piper is cheap
don't make me laugh

>>54058713
>Amulet and Piper are ~$6
Fuck, not exactly wallet destroying but I had no idea. I was just going off the top of my head. I guess they've just got that much Timmy appeal.

>>54058713
Have you considered either getting a job or getting a new hobby?

>>54055799
Should have been a legend. That being said its going straight into Oloro because why the fuck not.

>>54049048
>What's a deck you're either been working on for some time
Mono-R Goblins. First it was Krenko, then Zada, now it's becoming Grenzo. I can't decide

>>54058211
Then proxy them

>>54058713
Maybe craw wurm appeals more to you.

>>54049048
>Thread Question:
>What's a deck you're either been working on for some time or a general you couldn't quite get working?
Sultai something or whatever. I got Leovold for my birthday and was saving money and buying the piece for a good leovold deck over time since I am brokefag. He got banned before I could finish the deck. Now I know I want to run Sultai but IDK what. I here there's a Snek Legend in Ixalan or the set after that is sultai. Currently can't figure out what to playinstead/do with my leovold. Thinking goodstuff or reanimator

>>54059233
Og sidisi maybe? The memeoplasm seems fun too.

>>54049324
>XXUUU for multiple body doubles
who fucking cares? this'll go right into the trash along with clone legion

>>54049541
I could see an extremely fun and janky doomsday deck running this.

>>54055799
not bad

>>54056887

Cute. Probably won't play it.

>>54055475
choke

blossom of flowers

>>54058211
If your playgroup are cool with it, most of those cards have World Championship Decks versions of them, so it makes it far cheaper.

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>>54057692
Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest.
>He's all about pic related-ing your enemies to death.


You can even include >>54057827 if you want.

>>54055867
>There are a total of 12 horses right now and they print this, amazing.

I bet Ixalan, with its ersatz-Conquistadors, will have horses.

>>54059065
A few anons recommended krenko or zada to me last night for getting into paper edh. How is the deck to pilot? Mono r seems like the hardest color to get going and the easiest to disrupt

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>>54053552
>9000x9000

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>>54054364

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Hey hey hey

EDH is autistic and gay

>>54059593
Your biggest danger with Krenko, Zada, or Grenzo, is that all three are the lynchpin of your deck most of the time, so you can be hated on.

Second biggest danger is blowing through your hand and top-decking for the rest of the game, but you can mitigate that with Wheel and Looting effects. Zada, especially, can turn a shitty instant or sorcery spell with "Draw a card" stapled to it into a dozen cards at once.

>>54059651
>cEDH
For babbies that won't just play Vintage

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>>54059065
Ib Halfheart!

>>54059651
Fuck off furry

>>54059778
Oh fuck he looks fun. Very much a fly by the seat of your pants commander, which I'm a fan of

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>>54059802
Y-you too

>>54053552

It keeps crashing mobile chrome. Use spoiler so everyone will open it, and mobiles will crap out.

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>>54059595

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>>54060509
You're a saint. 9000/10, would laugh again.

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>>54059823
I thought that was Rich Evans at first

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I want to play a deck that is very heavy on removal or control, since my local meta has shifted to a lot of combo. I know I could go for stax but I don't like the playstyle of stax.
I'm thinking Tasigur, maybe Damia. What are some other good options for multiplayer fun police?

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>>54060722
Zurgo Helmsmasher Voltron/Boardwipe Tribal.

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Is this secretly spice?

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>>54059466
>Conquistadors
I'm sorry I haven't been paying attention to the leaks, they're actually doing spaniards?

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>>54060722
Anowon as an enchantment but cheaper?

>>54060882
interesting, there are some serious applications to this

>>54060882
>>54060961

Maybe something like Breya Eggs could use it to cycle through the deck by bouncing and discarding a lot of artifacts.

>>54060882
AHAHAHA FUCK ALL YOU FAGGOTS WHO KEEP TARGETING MY DECK WITH BRIBERY. IT'S TIME FOR BOROS TO DICK YOU BACK FOR TWO (2) MANA

>>54049230
Torch is great and flamecaller is very powerful in the right deck. Drawing 4 from elemental bonds because you plus'd a planeswalker is pretty good.

>>54060882
I already had homeward path but the wheel is a nice touch

>>54061137
this will return any permanent an opponent steals, not just creatures (Hellkite Tyrant)

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>>54060885
Don't leave me hanging anon, I need this.

>>54059450
>flying kicking your enemies with prowess and cantrips
i like this idea much better

>>54060885
Presumably. The next block is Mesoamerica with Dinosaurs and Pirates, so we'll see about conquistadors

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Hey, I need help looking for removal creatures in Mardu, ones that can get rid of other creatures without a) knocking themslves off the board (no Fleshbag Marauder), or b) having a way to bring the murdered monster back (no Banishing Priest.)

>>54061278
Fiend Hunter and a sac outlet

>>54061278
Razia:^)

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>>54061278

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>>54060509

Fucking got me....

>>54061158
In my meta my opponents dont really try to steal noncreature permemants, but theres a lot of reanimator/bribery shenaigans so a bit of redundancy for the effect is nice. I can also pitch it from a rummage/loot for the wheel.

>>54060882
Is Bolas a Johnny? Because this set is full of cards that tickle my johnny

>>54061278
Intrepid Hero
Big Game Hunter
Shreikmaw
Bone Shredder
Noxious Gearhulk
Ashen Rider
Sheoldred
Royal Assassin
Massacre Wurm
Elesh Norn
North/South/East/Western/Pentarch/Lightwielder Paladins
Devout Lightcaster
Shadowborn Demon

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>>54061354

>>54061398
No hes just good at magic and has several legacy decks

>>54049048
How do you pronounce this fucker?

>>54061551
"OO-MEE- ZAW-WAH'S JIT-TAY"

>>54061551
OO MEH ZA WA'S JEE TAY

>>54061582
>>54061583
That's what I was afraid of. I suppose I should have specified the Jitte part but whatever.

>>54061551
TWO MANA PLANESWALKER.

>>54061551
"THIS-FAH-KURR"

>>54061676
Was also waiting for this response.

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Who /johnny/ here?

>>54061278
Royal assassin is always funny

>>54056967
Saffi is buckets of fun and interaction.
Don't forget her pals Sun tiddies, Karmic Guide, Reveillarc, and that recent revolt duder

Hey guys so im building a Bant derevi deck( yes i know) Idea is to pump out eldrazi's with blue protecting it,suggestions? >Inbf lose Derevi

I've googled up and down and can't find anything on which tribes are in c17. Tell me someone here has heard anything? It's my last chance for a green white cat legend till at least after Ixilan.

>>54061813 that card is absolutely brutal,especially in a lifegain/extort deck. Love it

>>54061979
We're not supposed to know yet.
The only reason we know Dragons is one is because somebody done fucked up.

>>54061979
There is a cat dragon in the dragon deck. That's the only tribe that's been leaked though, 5c dragons.

You can check it out at mythic spoiler, and probably every other spoiler website

>>54062081
I know Wasitora and I will build it controlly, but as for cats I need that fucking green.

>>54062099
Er, I mean green and white on the same card. Wasitora is green

>>54060882
>Instant // Sorcery

Bullshit

>>54056597
Don't forget Dosan.

>>54060882
Cast it then destroy all lands.

>>54055066
How do you not post a list while boasting this hard?

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post your best cards under .50

Does sass build into any other deck? Asking because I debated getting everything foil for style points, it's only like 20$ extra

Also I see people talking about 5 color zada, how does that work?

>>54062172
even if they were both Instants, the CMC off of the stack for the card is 6 (due to the new rules change) so its an ineligible Sunforger target to begin with.

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>>54062434
1 wrath spell + 1 ramp spell = always a solid deal for 6cmc

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>>54062434

Hey, any super spicy tech for Momir Vig?

>>54062978
Islands

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>>54062434

Unless your meta is very cutthroat, this is good for all your 3+ colour decks.

What kind of draw do you guys prefer? One time cards like Read the Bones or slower but long term draw like Phyrexian Arena?

>>54063217
Over time. ALWAYS over time

>>54063234
Why? Serious question.

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>>54062434
This is gonna be so good with THE ROCK commander

>>54063240

More cards in the long run, and even though you're drawing one card instead of two on the first go, you would likely never be casting both cards if you did draw two.

>>54063256
Good point.

>>54063014
...
thanks.

>>54063256
Does this apply to control/combo decks as well? I figure if you're trying to go faster you would want that instant few cards instead of waiting for the value.

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Into Selvala you go.

>>54063282

Fast combo decks will prefer immediate draw, but even then they'll just run tutors and shit instead. Slower combo decks will prefer the greater quantity of cards that Arena provides.

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>>54063217
On a stick.

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>>54062434
Xenagos and OG Sigarda's best buddy

>>54063337
Yeah this is starting to sound better and better. Just had a few games where Bloodgify Demon did some serious damage while drawing me cards. I always thought Ponder would be better because it leaves more mana open for counters or removal but this is getting hard to pass up.

>>54063320
Yeah I'm playing a slower control deck.

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>>54063217
I like to draw and discard.

>>54063282
Slow and steady to draw into big splashy card draw. I'm about the exponential game

>>54063384
>big splashy card draw

Like?

>>54063381
GY deck?

>>54063401
Stroke of Genius/Blue Sun's Zenith.

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>>54062434
It's almost a blue Phyrexian Arena if you can use your graveyard.

>>54063414
I can see running one or two of those.

>>54063483
If you have a way to get infinite mana then they're wincons. I use BSZ in Brago with Peregrine Drake.

>>54063483
There are more effecient ways to draw as many cards, but they're not as fun, and if you run them it usually means the game ends in a known fashion which isn't the most exciting thing in the world.

>>54063234
I have got to disagree. I think a mix is always best. Sure, Phyrexian arena is a great card if you can play it turn 3. In a normal meta that thing will probably draw you 5 cards or so before the game ends, assuming it's not the victim of some big wrath.

But if you don't get it til turn 6, it's much worse than a painful truths. Same with when you are topdecking.

>>54049324
that looks bretty cool for my gisa&geralf deck

>>54061965
So no tips? Fair enough.Thanks anyways.

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Ok guys, what should I build for my next deck?
>Oloro Lifegain
>Derevi Stax
>Jeleva Spellslinger
>Shu Yun Beatdown

I need help deciding pls halp ;_;

Tips/advice on playing Jeleva for Commander?

>>54064226

Shu Yun. Bonus points if he is literally your only creature.

>>54064226
Run jeleva spellslinger, since it's the only thing you said that isn't done to death (assuming you don't mean storm).

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Thoughts on a Kambal Stax's deck? Enchantress style control or creature based. My playgroup is pretty competitive, everything from Proper Gitrog to Thrasios//Tymna and everything in between.

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>>54062434
In token decks this card is an all star for basically free mana. On the attack triggers are always great, and at 3 mana you basically cant go wrong. Not to mention it dosnt draw the hate something like Mirari's Wake does.

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>>54061813
This is real /johnny/

>>54064387
I've built Kambal stax both ways. Going creature based with token generators and breaking parity on smokestack and descent into madness feels pretty good. The enchantress build ended up being more of a pillow fort static orb kind of mess where nobody gets anything done and I either extort and strangulate the game for the win or tutor for a combo after the lock comes down.
I'd say the best depends on your particular playgroup. Creature based will punish lower power levels harder but the enchantress I'd say is more scalable to higher levels. Creature based is always just a bit slower.

Gitrog loves sacing things and is seriously hampered by tax effects due to the nature of sifting through a lot of actions so the more d&t style you play the better. Thorn of amethyst, trinisphere, and even lodestone golem would put in work. Same for thrasios, though Linvala is really what you need for him specifically.

>>54060882
Time to barren victory

>>54064510
I love the art on this card so much I just wish it was more useful.

>>54064226
Jeleva
Reason is that I like to play powerful decks but, jeleva is the only one that felt bad to wipe the floor with all my opponents trying their damnest to win.
It was s mill deck an they all literally drew more than half their decks and they could not do shit against it.

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>>54064717
But being a Johnny is playing that beautiful garbage and making it good.

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>>54057066
>never pay more then ten buckaroos

This hobby isn't for you Anon.

>>54064757
Not true, not that anon but, I have a cube and several edh decks worth hundies, as well as one over 1k . I usually buy bulk rares and trade like a mofo. I also play draft and releases to get to open packs to trade standard shit for eternal goodness.

Thus has worked for me well. Buying ftvs and precons is so good when they are available sience they will just be more expensive as time goes by generally speaking.

Choosing good cards with potential is also Good, I don't speculate hard but I did pick up 7 or 8 copies of spellkite and shit like and fetches, caverns if souls, shit that will never be bad, I still have a bunch of pods from before they got banned, from when they were the cheapest, it's easy to know what will increase in price if you can value a card then wait and kill it on trades.

Don't buy shit until it's off from standard and preorder good stuff, ink waiting for shrines to nyx and a few other cards to reach peak price right now to trade them away for cool stuff.

Hey guys, I want to try making an Abzan control list and I'm looking for some help. I need suggestions for a commander (I've been eyeing Anafenza for the graveyard hate and possibly running a partner combo with Ikra and one of the WB partners.) and also any tech you think would be good.

>>54062199
You mean cast it in response to you destroying all lands :^)

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>>54062434

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>>54057502

>horse cock tribal

>>54064757
>two boxes of tempest in the background
this guy aint fuckin around

>>54065612
You don't even know what you're getting yourself into fucking with Rudy
That nigga is fucking loaded and I'm convinced he has more cards than wizards

>>54065632
He has said before he ain't shit compared to channel fireball or some other major distributors.

He has also alluded that the reason those major distributors are such hot shit is because of insider info from wizards, whether that is officially or just some guy in R&D making a little scratch on the side is anyone's guess though.

After the new phyrexia godbook leak I am totally willing to believe that wizards will downright show favoritism to some companies to keep them on top, the same way they did with pro players.

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>>54065738

Cletus, take the fucking tinfoil hat off.

I bet you think the Jews did 9/11 and fluoride is put in the water by aliens you sad fat fuck.

>>54065787
>Being this new
Go look up the godbook leak. Wizards gave full spoilers of sets months in advance to select pro players. They did this because they thought having recognizable faces winning often would inspire more players to play professionally. Giving some players this unfair advantage because they thought it would benefit the company as a whole.

I could see them doing it for channel fireball and a few other sellers for similar reasons. If the larger distributors never fall, it inspires a lot of faith and confidence in the secondary market, and that's good for the game. If it was revealed wizards was doing this tomorrow I wouldn't bat an eye.

More likely than that though is shit like the ixalan leaks. That got through to the public FOR FREE. It's not that hard to believe that these kinds of photos are sneaked often and that people try to sell that info.

>>54065738
>After the new phyrexia godbook leak
huh?

>>54065938
Wizards leaks whole sets in advance to some people, or at least did back in New phyrexia. Those documents were called good books.

The public found out when somebody shared it with the wrong people, and a whole set was revealed months in advance.

Alternatively use google

>>54065995
>Good books
Curse my phone posting ways. God books*

>>54065258
Anyone have any input on this?

>>54063299
75 cent mythic alert

>>54065258
Run a control list with ghave at the helm. You get to skimp on win cons that way, since ghave is like 20lbs of kick ass in a 5lb sack.

>>54066111
Why Ghave though, he doesn't seem like a great threat without the deck being built to synergize with him

>>54064262
You are my eternal nigga. Love shu yun spellslinger to death.

>>54064226
Jeleva, with all the "suspend only" spells. Cast nothing from your hand.

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Am I a dick for running infinite combos in casual EDH? It went off around my 7th turn, I was sitting on 4 land, the wirewood channeler sat in play for a full table rotation, after I worldly tutored for the seedcradle witch (and set it down on the table when revealing incase anyone wanted to read it; they did not.), I feel like I gave the other players every opportunity to stop me short of saying "Hey, I'm about to go infinite, someone should shock that elf". Would not have even been able to win that turn, but someone had an enchantment in play that gave me a 5/1 dragon with trample.

>>54066484
You're a dick if that's the intent of your deck, like Food Chain decks. If you stick them in there as synergistic cards and a backup plan then no.

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>>54066555
The general intent of the deck is play elves, make tokens, turn em sideways; that is the only infinite combo, I won the previous game when they let my commander tap too many times and got overwhelmed by tokens.

>>54066484
I think that's an extremely reasonable combo and they have even less room to complain when you tutored and revealed it the turn before.

I don't like the "no infinites" rule that some people play with. Games have to end sometime and combos have always been a part of magic.

>>54066555
To be fair Food Chain only works with a very specific deck. You can't just cram Food Chain + Eternal Scourge/Misthallow Griffin into every deck.

I currently play Food Chain Titania and the combo can be effective, but it isn't always an immediate win. Basically wins are infinite 5/3's with the combo (Command Beacon + Titania + Food Chain) or casting a massive Walking Ballista.

>>54067446
How is that exactly infinite? How do you get the tokens?

>>54066870
My general rule of thumb for combo pieces in more casual decks is: does it have uses in the deck outside of a combo?
For instance, I run Exquisite Blood & Sanguine Bond in Karlov because both cards work well in the deck on their own, but I wouldn't want to include them in something without lifegain shenanigans. As long as you're not gearing your deck around finding and setting up a combo, I don't see why it's a big problem that some synergistic cards happen to go infinite together.

>>54067575
You have Titania, Command Beacon, and Food Chain on the table.

Crack Command Beacon.
Ability on the stack, exile Titania to the command zone with Food Chain and get a 5/3.
Beacon's ability resolves, bringing Titania to your hand.
You now have 6 mana of any color for creatures and a 5 mana Titania in your hand.
Cast Titania, ETB get back Command Beacon, repeat.

It nets an infinite number of 5/3 tokens, infinite landfall triggers, and infinite mana for creatures.

>>54067575
Use Command Beacon to get Titania in your hand. Titania returns Command Beacon to the field. Use Command Beacon's effect, paying its cost by sacrificing it. Titania and Beacon's effects go on the stack. Use Food Chain to exile Titania, putting her in the command zone and generating 6 green creature mana. Titania's effect makes a token, Command Beacon puts her in your hand, do it again.

>>54067446
>a very specific deck

Also Prossh.

>>54067579
I agree with that as a reasonable level of combo-use. Sanguine Bond and Exsquisite Blood are the ideal scenario because both are totally worth running in that sort of deck but if you get both in play and deal some damage or gain some life then you've pulled off the combo. I use Basalt Monolith + Rings of Brighthearth in any of my artifact-focused decks and feel like that's another example of two cards that are great on their own and combo together. Personally I'll use Power Artifact as well if blue is available and that's getting into more specific combo territory.

Running black Mikaeus + his many combos, Food Chain, and some others are more cutthroat versions. Those decks are much much more likely to rely on the combo to win. A deck that can almost only win by using a specific combo is not casual.

>>54067682
Well there's like Prossh, Titania, and Tazri (Titania's not even that common) but it's not exactly like Deadeye + Palinchron where it's just infinite mana for whatever. It's still a good combo and can be achieved quite early but it can't be slid into any shell and work.

>>54063217

Both, can't rely purely on over time spells because sometimes you need to dig NOW

>>54063217
I really like Damnable Pact in monoblack. Midgame it can usually draw you 3+ cards, late game you can Fireball someone for 40.

Syphon Mind is underrated in monoblack. It's basically Harmonize but your opponents lose a card too (not the best card, sure, but it's still 3 free discards off a four mana draw three).