MtG Hour of Devastation 28/06 Spoilers

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>Razaketh's Ritual
>Sorcery

>Search your library for a card and add it to your hand. Then shuffle your library.
>Cycling B

I really love the Vizier but damn 4 mana is a good chunk. Its a fair price but man.

Is it the international day of bad spoilers?

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>>54047238
The Vizier looks strong, if only they print some good embalm creatures

>>54047238
Might work.

>>54047238
>buried alive effect
>in blue
I want off this fucking plane

>>54047314
Embalm's had its set, anon. You're never going to see another Embalm card other than those already printed.

Eternalize, on the other hand, still has a few possibilities.

>>54047325
Embalm is UWand Eternalize seems UB
An Embalm/Eternalize tutor in blue isn't that far of a stretch

>>54047244
Good in limited everywhere else trash
>>54047255
Way overcosted not even cycling will save this
>>54047265
Again way overcosted
>>54047267
We dont have fast mana so in the trash its goes

>>54047255
>B
>Draw a card
Nice if you struggle to get to 40 cards in limited

>>54047363
Oh shut up you negative Nancy. Stop assessing everything through the lens of nonrotating formats.

>>54047613
But they're all awful even in standard.

>>54047265
I like this, it's like Into the Roil, but the kicker is an overcosted discard spell.

>>54047878
It's more like Disperse+

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>>54047613

>Standard in 2017

>>54047921
Recoils bigger and much slower cousin. If you ever cast it for 7 this will be no joke.

>>54047272
That's been all week though

>>54047238
Interesting card but a tad too expensive to really be great.

>>54047613
The sphinx is mediocre, the ritual is slow but good for cycling, the desert is janky in anything but limited, and the only reliable card is the Into The Roil since it hits basically anything and doesn't need shit to be tapped. I'm surprised they printed that as an instant.

>>54048701
>5 mana at least
>YOUR graveyard
>Sorcery
It's like they had a good card at one point and dialed it back to oblivion.

>>54048701
>blue having psuedo reanimator

Why does blue do everything now? Why can't mono-black blow up enchantments but blue can do everything?

>>54048761
because blue is better than U

>>54048761
Blue's always been able to make token copies, these token copies just target the graveyard instead of the battlefield.

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>>54048761
>Blue can do everything
>when it's been right above Red at the bottom of the power scale since Khans.
>when the only formats you see blue is Legacy and Commander
>when the only good blue cards are from innistrad and before

>>54047613
t. MaRo or former Hearthstone player

>>54048735

It scales very well! At 7 you get two 4/4s, and at 11 mana you get four 4/4s! Of course in most formats, limited especially, you should already be winning if you can make 11 mana.

>>54048701

>5 mana to pseudo-reanimate a single creature.

It's ehhhh?

Why the fuck can't it hit your opponent's graveyard anyway? The Scarab God does that.

>>54048761
>blue can reanimate now
>Body Double isn't a card
It's like you haven't actually been playing the game that long and are just parroting what older players say.

>>54048701
Or you know just play the scarab god.

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>>54048897
because of limited, they probably think it'd be pretty insane to play this in the late game and not only flood the board but steal all your opponent's emblam/eternalize creatures.

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The more they make us wait for Hazoret's Last _____, the more I worry it will just be some wide and weak pump spell for your creatures

>>54048990

I dunno, the red Gearhulk was the last revealed, and while not the most powerful it definitely was the most interesting.

>>54048967
I guess that makes sense. This is the limited format where they want us to pay 3 mana for a bolt. Can't have us having too much fun.

>>54048990
SPOILER:
Hazoret doesn't actually die, according to the art books. She's the one god that remains alive, leading the survivors of Amonkhet into the deserts after being bested by Bontu [who tries to sacrifice her to Nicol Bolas to prove her loyalty, only to get killed by Nicol Bolas] and after finally killing the Scorpion King by impaling him on an obelisk.

>>54048990

Its red, so it will most likely be garbage. Shame because Hazoret as a card is pretty good in all in aggro.

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>>54049045

No jokes, no faking? Hazoret is my favorite of the Amonkhet Gods, so i will be happy if true.

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>>54049094

>>54049043
Yeah it comes with the territory unfortunately, another great example is the hellion that bolts everything but costs 7, that thing would have probably been fine as a 5 mana 5/5 or 4/4 in standard but in limited that would be pretty insane.

>>54049138
got anymore of those page spoilers?

>>54049138
But assuming the card effect as any kind of flavor, doesn't that mean the scorpion god will eventually return?

>>54049207
Todays story showed the scorpion god being killed and returning

crumbled to dust after Oketra shot his head off, and immediately uncrumbled and killed kefnet and oketra

>>54049138

>The living initiatas managed to topple the scorpion god onto an obelisk

Uh

How?

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>>54048701
Since when is reanimation part of Blue's suite of capabilities? Who fucking signed off on this? Why are they legitimately making Blue the best color? Is Maro somehow behind this?

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>>54049138
Rip scorpion god forever remembered.

>>54049264
Samut planeswalked to dominaria for 5 minutes when she sparked and in that timeframe saw a dude giant growth himself, then she came back and giant growth'd everyone and they bullied scorp god.

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>>54049289

WoTC apologists will point to pic related and pretend that this is somehow the same thing.

>>54049353

Shouldn't he go back to Bolas' hand?

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>>54049289
Since Innistrad

>>54048282
>It's been every week since 2004 though

FTFY

>>54049289
Im not sure if people decrying this are just stupid or dont understand how the color pie works or if this epic pretending to be retarded level trolling or what. All colors can care about the graveyard if its on theme for a set, blue can make token clones, and making clone tokens of things in the graveyard doesnt infringe on any of blue's supposed weaknesses. Theres nothing wrong with this. Why did no one bitch about embalm like this? This is almost literally just embalming but on a spell which makes it even MORE blue.

>>54049377
nah dude he's just arrested, can't attack and block.

>>54049207
Pressumably being impaled on the obelisk will keep him stuck even if he regenerates

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>>54049342
Hmmmmm

>>54047363
Thank you for your assessment. I had no idea how to feel about the cards before I read your post.

>>54048035
>filename

kek'd

>>54049432
HOT
SCORPION
DICK

>>54049399
> All colors can care about the graveyard if its on theme for a set

Alright. I'll buy that. >>54049392 is a good example of that. It still bugs me, but it makes a bit more sense now. Thanks for clearing that up.

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>>54049432
>snek so shocked his monument is also flabbergasted

>>54049468
>Shuffle your library
gayyyy

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>>54049468
G A R B A G E

>>54049468
You've got to be fucking kidding me.

>>54049468
Not bad? Could be worse at least?

>>54049468
remember red can't have fun, it always has to be random with them.

>>54049138
Wait wth?
When was then artbook released? I thought it was on july???

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Without the ugly advert.

>>54049468

Oh for FUCK'S sake.

Go fuck yourselves Wizard.

I'm actually mad

>>54049468
>cast this
>reveal four lands
>tfw

>>54049488
That monument is all about what is about to happen next

>>54049476
A color can be made to care about pretty much anything, as long as it doesnt take away a weakness. Maro doesnt like hornet sting because its a non creature way to kill things that doesnt need you to have one, or hornet queen because green is supposed to have trouble with flyers and Hornet Queen is especially good at dealing with them, or chaos warp because it can kill enchantments with a high chance of not giving them anything in return and theyve arbitrarily decided red shouldnt be able to kill enchsntments, etc. A recebt example of a really weird thig a color did that it never reslly grts but could do because it doesnt invalidate any weaknesses is white being able to sac permanents in SOI to give the color a way to put things in the grave.

>>54049529
the artbooks have consistently been spoiled early since Battle for Zendikar.

>>54049536
Probably going to end up jamming this in a deck with Neheb and wildfire eternal

>>54049138
HAZORET? NOT MY NIGGA RHONAS? COME ONNNNNNNN.

>>54049536
>>54049468
>make garbage card where all the other cards in the cycle are very good for their cost
>call it undying fury

Are they trying to be meta?

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>>54049536
Who is that shadow?

>>54049650
Rhonas existed to be worfed by the Scorpion God.

>>54049138
Got anything about Bolas himself?

>>54049659
Look like a scorpion's tail.

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>>54049476
you'll get used to the weirdness as the sets go on.

>>54049659
Scorpion daddy.

>>54049536
This wouldn't even be playable without the land don't untap downside.

>>54049045
>>54049353
> Hazoret doesn't actually die she's the one god that remains alive, leading the survivors of Amonkhet into the deserts
>Samut planeswalked to dominaria for 5 minutes when she sparked and in that timeframe saw a dude giant growth himself, then she came back and giant growth everyone and they bullied scorp god.

This is the perfect storytelling. You might not like it but this is what peak performance looks like.

Amonkhet plot.

-The Gatewatch kill Razaketh, who bleeds into the Luxa river as the Hour of Revelation begins, revealing a huge necropolis and 3 sarcophagi

-The Scorpion God appears out of the first, slaying Rhonas who went out to meet it in combat.

-The Locust God comes next, his locusts devouring the Hekma and unleashing the desert.

-The Gatewatch fight to save the people, but Bolas only mocks them as they fight. Gideon is next to Oketra as she is also killed by the Scorpion God. Kefnet is also killed by the Scorpion God

-Bontu and Hazoret, the only 2 living Gods, fight to win the God-Pharoh's favour. Bontu incapitates Hazoret as she is also fighting to defend the people of Amonket. Bontu brings Hazoret to Bolas as an offering, but Bolas only kills Bontu. Hazorat escapes with her initates as Bolas faces the Gatewatch.

-The Scarab God emerges last, leading the Eternals, Bolas new immortal army. They retain the skills of their former lives, but none of their old memories.

-The Scorpion God chases after Hazoret, who are followed by Samut and Djeru. The two humans leads Hazorets remaining initiates against the Scorpion God and some Eternals, finally managing to impale the Scorpion God on an obilisk and kill it. Hazoret, as the last remaining free god, promises to protect the people of Amonket and the heart of it's people.

-It's unclear how Samut's Planeswalker spark ignites, but it occurs after she saves Hazoret from the Scorpion God. It may be possible it is due to his poison.

>>54049650
If any were going to live, did you really think egyptian snake god would live over thr god damn jackal?

>>54049701
-Bolas wants to humiliate the Gatewatch and show them his power. He starts by baiting Jace into reading his mind to learn his secrets and plans. Jace falls for it and Bolas crushes his mind. The catatonic Jace planeswalks away. He targets Liliana next, forcing her to use the Chain Veil, and then completely overpowering her despite it. She retreats as well. Nissa tries to use the life force and leylines of the plane, but Bolas has warped them to the point that death is stronger than life magic. Chandra tries to overpower him with pyromancy, but Bolas simply grabs her in his palm. She flees before being crushed to death.

-As the last standing member, Bolas taunts Gideon about his failure to lead the Gatewatch. His invulnerability is useless against Bolas's strength and he too is forced to flee before being impaled on his claws.

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>>54048701
>Hour of Devastation is going to be the only time besides Conflux where the name of a card in the set is the same name as the set itself
>Both times it's the result of Bolas scheming

What does it mean?

>>54049659
KEFNET THE ETERNAL INCOMING

>>54049468
>most expensive of the cycle
>really unreliable effect
People sure aren't kidding when they say Red gets shafted.
The only remotely good thing about this is the art with Hazoret using her spear/bident as a flamethrower.

>>54049717

>the gatewatch get defeated
>lol j/k


god fucking damn it why won't they die???

>>54049432
>there is no need to be upset

>>54049650
Hazoret before she was brainwashed along with Oketra, was one of the only gods to last stand Bolas, if anything its surprising Oketra bites it as well.

>>54049724
It means that MaRo fantasizes about Bolas balls.

>>54049701
>>54049717
>Scorpion God kills the other gods
>They're indestructible, but he does -1/-1 counter stuff

Actually a good example of mechanical representation of flavor.

>>54049771
They were defeated, they just weren't killed.

>>54049733
That's clearly Dwayne Johnson.

>>54049712
This is true but Rhonas was the coolest god. I hope he gets reincarnated through his acolytes somehow.

>>54049771
You dont need to kill characters for them to be defeated. Fuck, this legitimately soonds like they did kill Gideon so there actually was a death, and Jace is fucking braindead. What more do you fucking want?

Feels weird if they really did kill Gideon though. He never got back to Theros to face his demons nor did we get the civil war type dealie they were setting up with Jace

>>54049607
rtfc

>>54049468
That's not ba-
>Shuffle your library
What?

>>54048701
This is pretty cool though weird as blue card. Had it been multicolored like the God itself it would have made more sense, atleast to me.

Kinda wishing that it either could steal from opponents graveyards or was a bit cheaper.

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>>54049536
>Oh, hey, it's a new Mind's Desire
>Oh, it's only four cards. I guess that's a fair trade for no Storm.
>Oh, it's only CMC 5 or less. It can't even play itself. Well, nu-magic mirite?
>Oh, your lands don't untap. wat

>>54049814

I doubt he's dead but having every single one of the others defeated before him is crippling for a guy who defines himself by his ability to protect others.

>>54049814
>Fuck, this legitimately soonds like they did kill Gideon so there actually was a death

>-As the last standing member, Bolas taunts Gideon about his failure to lead the Gatewatch. His invulnerability is useless against Bolas's strength and he too is forced to flee before being impaled on his claws.

?????

>>54049802
Could of killed one, but no just defeat them. Hell, even comic books allow their heroes to die and come back to life, but for fuck's sake they still die

>>54049814
>he too is forced to flee

Nah, it sounds like Giddyman made it out alive.

>>54049839
Sounded to me like he tried to leave but got impaled. My bad

>>54049814

I WANT THEM TO DIE AND GO AWAY FOREVER SO MAGIC GETS BETTER REEEE

If Jace was stupid enough to think that reading Bolas' mind wouldn't have any consequences then he fucking deserved to have his mind crushed.

>>54049833
I'm just mad I can't scry my cool shit to the top.
Whats the fucking point of making you shuffle.

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>>54049468
I'm legit mad.

>>54049536
LOL SOOOOOO RANDUM XD

>>54049836
If its inentional and they highlight, the bitter irony of the gatewatch, a group that defines their purpose as the ones who stay when all others would leave, all end up running away in terror from Bolas when theyre needed the most, is so god damn good. Its fucking poetry. I feel legitimate emotion for this situation if they take advantage of it.

>>54049207
Eh he's part red, so probably got discarded ir something ;)

>>54049536
I honestly can't believe they printed this TRASH
I was going to buy a case but this is one of the worst rares I've seen in a long time so now I really don't want to

>>54049865
This isn't even the first time it's happened; Jace tries reading Bolas' mind in Agents of Artifice, and the only reason he survives then is because Bolas finds the fact he even tried so impressive he actively helps him avoid going catatonic.

I'm really starting to think I'm just going to buy a foil Nicol Bolas and be done.

>>54049468

Literally unplayable in limited.

Which means I am going to get two of these at the pre-release.

Rest of the artbook photos are too big to post, just read them here
>http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/magic-storyline/778747-amonkhet-art-book-discussion-spoilers

>>54049981

Jace is a very stupid smart man.

>>54049717
> but I have invulnerability piercing claws!
Bolas is literally That Kid.

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>>54048990

I kinda like it.

>>54050020
Why do you think he's such a fan favorite?

These all suck

Where are my CoCo tier cards Wizards?

>>54050056
CoCo was a mistake.
Of course, this means they are only ever going to print slightly less broken cards but they will have to be creatures now.

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>>54050020
Bolas has access to Red and Black, which both have ways around Indestructible.

>>54050056
Didn't they once say they never intended CoCo to be this good or something?

>>54050090
And yet by the description, he isn't using any magic, he's just overwhelming him with raw strength. Which is retarded.

>>54048701
So I was upset about the mana cost but then I realized the optimal way to cast in limited would be 4uuu giving a CMC of 7. Or the number of bolas. Not sure if intentional.

>>54050110
MaRo admitted it was "more powerful than we realized."

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>>54050151
It's been done before.

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>>54050024
How?
It's awful in almost every single way
Do this 10 times and I guarantee you're going to whiff every 9 of them
Then the one amazing time you hit 4 great creatures and flood your board, you get hit with a bontu's last reckoning and you're fucked
It's an awful card
Worst of all the fucking cycle and it's a fucking insult

>>54049880
Because the point is to cast truly random cards, like Mind's Desire. The mana cost and the effect make it very clear they used that card as the basis for this one. They just nerfed the ever-loving shit out of it.

>>54048701
They're really afraid of making anything strong. They even wasted great art on this garbage fire of a card. If they do create something strong, it's super busted.

>>54050194
Still seems cruel to deny u/r the chance to set something up.

>>54050024
they could have at least given the creatures haste so it is a final ditch card that can make or break you?

This isn't funny anymore... I don't even get mad at this point. I'm just sad. It's like some systematic bullying scheme. As if someone at WotC takes pleasure in frustrating red players.

>>54049289
2014
>REEEEE HORNET QUEEN GREEN SHOULD NOT HAVE ACCESS TO FLIERS
2017
>DUDE THIS IS TOTALLY IN THE BLUE'S COLOR PIE

MaRo is a hack.

>>54047238
>Vizier of Consecration
>In blue magic, the best friend of the unholy desecrating circlejerk of black.
>[Angry White Noises]

>>54049981
Oh, then never mind. He should've been brain dead, the idiot.

>>54050335
Reminds me of c16 with the undaunted cycle. W gets wrath, u gets mass bounce, b gets double murder, g gets double regrowth, red gets... double polymirph. Kekarooni.

>>54048808
We're talking about mechanics, not power here.

It doesn't matter if every blue card gets another 3 mana stapled onto it from hereon out, if it can do anything it wants regardless of color pie or flavor then why the fuck are other colors so restricted?

>>54050418
Which is pretty good. The others are pretty much always shittier versions of other spells if you play normal 4 player. The red and black ones are the only interesting ones.

>>54050433
Theres nothing out of color pie for that card. Name one thing that card does that blue cant do.

>>54048808
>Blue can do everything
Blue CAN do everything
>when it's been right above Red at the bottom of the power scale since Khans.
Except for Torrential Gearhulk, or something.
>when the only formats you see blue is Legacy and Commander
It's a damn shame Snapcaster Mage isn't played in anything. Or GDJ isn't modern deck.
>when the only good blue cards are from innistrad and before
Then what happened between Innistrad and Knans?

>>54049138
>Samut
>getting any cartouche

>literally recycling Urabrask into Hazoret
Bravo

>>54050450
Uh, no, the double polymorph is absolute shit and easily the worst of the cycle. The wrath and bounce are not exciting but those effecta are good in multiplayer. Regrowths are good in commander, and the double murder is efficient for what it does. Polymorphs are total shit pretty much everywhere for anything.

>>54049432
RHONAS
REMEMBER WHO YOU ARE

>>54050455
How about make zombies out of dead creatures?
You can't use Innistrad as a precedent because Innistrad is all about that kind of shit.

>>54050455
Enough mana means its effectively mass reanimation of your graveyard.


That doesn't seem blue at all

>>54050521
That's a pretty flaccid argument. The only plane that doesn't count towards the color pie's operations is Domaria's color shifted cards.

That said, no, blue really shouldn't be able to reanimate.

>>54050521
And so is Amonkhet, in case you haven't noticed the White Zombies stumbling around, or the brand-spanking new Color Pie Free-For-All of Skeleton Zombie Golems made by a God.

>>54050521
And so is Amonkhet. Why is it something only Innistrsd can do? Do you have a problem with the other off xolor zombiew from embalm or just other eternal sin this set? Eternals are also in mono red.
>>54050545
Blue can make clone tokens, blue can make lots of clones, and blue can care about the grave. What is the problem?

>>54049814
>What more do you fucking want?
I want them gone forever

>>54050024

Oh yay! More EDH chaff for red! Wait... even the lamest of EDH nerds would never play this because it is bad in every way possible. Over costed as is, 4 cards is too little would have traded 6 cards for 4cmc limit, should give haste to all creatures put into play this way, then maybe it would be fringe playable.
I get they aren't trying to reprint coco, but they would have make this a playable card. But nah, red doesn't get many of those anymore.

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>>54049724
You forgot one.

>>54050192
it's considerably less retarded when eldritch abomination reality warpers do it.
> b-but Bolls is an ancient dragon and he knows how to do this stuff with his claws too!
see >>54050020

>>54050603
So is your argument that blue can do anything and the other colors are just fucked?

>>54050603
You are correct, all those are blue, but the sum of its mechanics makes it seem incredibly not blue.

A good example would be a green creature with deathtouch and ETB fight another creature.


Green has both death touch, and fight under its color, but if you make a creature with that, it effectively becomes a destroy target creature spell, which is not part of greens pie.

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>>54049468

>>54048701
>>54049468
Holy fucking shit they know how to kill any interest I had in this set real fast. The only place these belong is in the trash; I'd take COMMONS over these in limited.

>>54050627
I chuckled.

>>54050668

Hour of eternity wouldn't be terrible in limited. 5cmc for a 4/4 isn't terrible for blue, and it might even have some good abilities stabled on to it depending what you reanimate.

>>54050603
>shitposting while having a stroke

>>54050633
Any creature type can be in any color if the flavor if mechanics justify it. We have
mono green merfolks next set, and rhis set got monored zombies and mono white zombies. Do you have a problem with that? This has nothing to wih blue in particular.
>>54050641
The problem with hypothetical deathtouch token fight card is thst it doesnt need you to have an existing creature. Green can have removal, theyre making more and more with green lately with one sided burn based on power now, but it needs a creatue to do it. Colors can configure their tools in any way they want as long as it doesnt undermine a weakness theyre supposed to have.

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>>54049536

>"Bolas hoped that the presence of such a terrible interplanar threat would mobilize Planeswalkers to battle them and he could profit from seeing how a group of Planeswalkers would handle such a threat. Events on Zendikar didn't unfold as he had planned, since the appearance of Ugin, whom he had though dead. But the events on Zendikar and Innistarad, where one of the Titans had made it's way to-provided Bolas with a lovely gift: a little band of Planeswalkers he could manipulate."

>>54050721
Yes, but that's besides the point. You just listed of a bunch of mechanics, and now you're talking about creatures. I'm still talking about mechanics. It's reanimation that bothers me, not zombies. Well, that too. Some creatures should just be some colors, I don't care what you say. If it keeps going like this then it's pointless to even have colors. Just make everything 5 color like the custom card faggots always wanted.

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>>54050765
Wait, Nicol knows that Ugin is alive?
That was all Ugin had on him

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>>54050509

>>54050774

I don't know man some of my favorite cards have been ones that completely break the "color pie" bullshit, but there is no way you would mistake them for anything other than the color they were printed with.

>>54050721
This does undermine a key weakness of blue though.


Blue color pie does not include reanimation of its creatures. The first example of a clone doing it (body double) was already a bend.

Pump mana into this spell and you effectively get mass reanimation.

So undying fury and imminent doom confirmed for most laughable red rares in how long?

>>54050839
>when imminent doom could have at least been a fun but underpowered build around
>but wizards hates red so much so they cucked it by removing "or less" from the clause

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>>54050839
Don't forget pic related

>>54050858
What was wrong with Lightning Strike?

>>54050858
That's not a rare.

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>>54050856
>great name
>artwork
>concept
>ungodly terrible execution

Oh you know it's gotta be red

>>54050774
What he fuck are you talking about? Someone bitched that they were zombies, someone else bitched it didnt feel blue. I answered both points. Blue is capable of reanimation if its method to do so is making a token copy, and it has no restrictions on how many things it can make copies of, since being able to make token copies of things in the grave dont help blue with any of its weaknesses, whatever they are. The way they differentiate between things multiple colors can do is how it does it (red deals damage and black causes life loss, but if a block has a theme or mechanic, the two are interchangeable for example) Black would have done this by just pulling the creature back directly. Blue doesnt do that, but it can make copies of things in the graveyard if the block cares about the grave.

>>54050858
Not rare, but I don't see why we should leave out non-rare forms of red cuckery.

>>54050627

Hey! You stole my joke!

>>54050858
Why is this allowed?

>>54050830
Blue's weakness isnt "cant reanimate creatures", sorry. It can do it if theres a way to do so using its own tools. Which there is.

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>>54050858
I would rather play that over this>>54049468
GOD AWFUL fucking card any day of the fucking week
I would first pick this over that fucking bullshit

>>54050856
Why would it ever be "or less" instead of "or more", we don't need a deck that's 26 bolts and a couple dooms

>>54050883
Blame Dave Humpherys.
This is the same twat who was the lead Developer of Avacyn Restored, Journey into Nyx, and Fate Reforged.

>>54050858
We're not gonna talk about that

Meanwhile black has steadily gotten an influx of playable rares and removal

>>54050915
except it is?

Blue does not get reanimation in its color pie, check out the color pie article that came out a few weeks ago.

Body double was one of the first things to do it, and even then it was considered a bend.

This is body double but on steroids.

>>54050892
Okay, so when do other colors start to get their color pie creep with handwaves and workaround then?
How come the "Block justifies it" excuse only ever seems to need to be trotted out for blue? When's the last time you saw blue ever take a backseat for a less loved color to shine? Even on fucking Kaladesh, the plane of invention and innovation, blue was the color of invention, red was the color of EATING inventions and and shitting aether.

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>>54050839
>>54050858
Also not rare but
>mfw WotC thinks being able to ping creatures is too good for standard
You hear it here first, Tim is too good for standard, instead you get a shitty "fixed" Tim with 2 extra attack on a creature used for it's abilities.

>>54050956
Blue doesnt get "return target creature card from the graveyard to the battlefield". Blue CAN get make a token copy of target creature card in a graveyard.

>>54050987
which once again, body double was already seen as a bend. Back from the brink isn't any better.

A spell that does that, but in mass amounts is only more grievous.

>>54050193
Maybe play it 10 times in a deck built to run it before you REEEE about whiffing 9 times out of 10.

>>54050971
I can kind of see this one because a good amount of creatures in all colors in Amonkhet all have 1 toughness so it's kind of just wrecks everything
Then again, this immediately dies to splendid agony so it's kind of terrible regardless

>>54050969
We got FUCKING MONO RED ZOMBIES, MONO WHITE ZOMBIES, AND EVERY COLOR -EXCEPT- BLACK GOT AN EMBALM CARD LAST SET. This isnt about blue. EVERY SET bends the xolor pie in a way that fits the themes of the world. The premier artifact deck from Kaladesh was WBR, and we got GREEN cards that were friendly with artifacts.

>>54048701
Wizzards so afraid of power creepthey make good cards bad.
>>54049468
gg another expensive red trash rare/mithic card

>>54051046
It's a garbage card, you lost long before you can cast it.

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Now consider this next to control magic.

>>54049468
>overcosted
>shuffle library
>nonland cards
>cmc 5 or less
>sorcery speed
>lands don't untap
remove any two of these for a decent limited card
remove any three of these for a good card

>>54051018
White doesn't get "Creatures your opponents control get -2/-2" or "Each opponent loses 1 life and you gain that much life", but a set's themes can override the color pie at times.

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>blue gets even better and better cards
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>54051091
You can solve three by casting it w wildfire eternal

>>54050476
Wait for Return to Amonkhet, when the Eldrazi image and turn everything into dragons, or Bolas's pyramid opens and suddenly the world is Semitic mythology instead of Egyptian. Scrappy heroes will prevail!

>>54051087
Playable.

>>54049701
>Bontu brings Hazoret to Bolas as an offering, but Bolas only kills Bontu. Hazorat escapes with her initates as Bolas faces the Gatewatch.
damn bolas you fucking cruel

>>54051018
Every set bends the color pie to some extent. So what? Thats how each set can craft a unique identity for its colors. On Amonkhet, the world where everything that dies comes back to life, blue can get cards that do that if it has the tools to portray that mehanically. It doing so en masse doesnt change anything because the way its doing, blue isnt restricted by number.

>>54051064
So no precedents outside of this current disaster of an abortion of a block?

Oh, you mention Kaladesh, but nobody ever said that green has to hate artifacts 100% of the time.

>>54051087
couldn't they make an extra turn for that mana cost without untapping your lands?
it should be fair right?

>>54051150
Evey innistrad block, scars of mirrodin block are the most obvious examples where a theme made really strange cards off the top of my head

>>54050969
>How come the "Block justifies it" excuse only ever seems to need to be trotted out for blue?

Elesh Norn.

>>54051087
>literally all the gods get playable cards except the red one

wew lad, it's like WotC hates red or something

>Embalm was mostly UW
>Eternalize seems to be mostly UB
>People complain that Embalm/Eternalize-like effects are blue

>>54051198
They didnt make it cause the card alrwsdy exists, Savor the Moment

>>54051220
savor the moment costs one less and make you skip your untap step entirely
control magic exists too, what's your point?

We still have hour of devastation to come so we are going to get at least one more pathetically bad red rare

>>54051123
>pyramid opens
>turns into a spaceship
>Amonkhet is a sci-fi kang society by the time return hits

>>54051103
Wow, it's shitty Persuasion.

>>54051198
>pay 4 for timewalk
>your lands don't untap
>basically reading 2UU after this combat phase, there is an additional combat phase. Draw a card

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>>54051087
>>54051103

good shit

>>54051150
>Oh, you mention Kaladesh, but nobody ever said that green has to hate artifacts 100% of the time.

Oh, you're upset about Hour of Eternity, but nobody ever said blue doesn't get to reanimate creatures 100% of the time.

>>54051202
>>54051150
Alsp, fuck you dude. I didnt bring up kaladesh initially, I was just using it because it was brought up. By what fucking metric is what Eternalize does bad and Oviya Pashiri caring about artifact creature tokens okay because "no one ever said green has to hate artifacts ALL the time"? Its literally baked into greens flavor that it hates technology, at least blue has inherent flavor reason for not caring about creatures in the grave other than it just normally doesnt and thats usually black's thing mechanically.

Swriously, eat a fuckig dick, I dont know how you could make that post with a straight fucking face.

>>54051276
>2UU after this combat phase, there is an additional combat phase. Draw a card
>REESE, additional combat phases are red!!!

>>54051266
Hour of Devastation will be Black.
Whatever Red's Hour is, it'll still be bad though.

>>54050926
I don't remember Fate Reforged being all that offensive, but I didn't play it much.

>>54051306
>at least blue has inherent flavor reason for not
Has no

>>54050024
Alright, lets talk about how this fails timmy, johnny, spike and vorthos
>Timmy would not play this because it taps your lands in the lategame and you can't do anything next turn. Timmy is also turned off by randomization like this with very little payoff
>Johnny does not like this because you cannot manipulate your library beforehand, and it taps all your lands, leaving yourself vulnerable if it whiffs
>Spike hates it because its an overcosted piece of shit that not even the EDH crowd would touch
>Vorthos hates it because it is part of a cycle, but does not have the same "last reckoning" naming convention to it, and it costs 6 mana instead of 5, the cg art sucks dick, and we get nothing flavorwise out of the art or card; Hazoret is corned; that's it.

>>54051087
I'll be first picking that, thank you very much

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>>54051276
As has been mentioned, there already is one of those.

>>54051309
They are though

>>54050151

You know what touching bolas does, don't you?

>>54051362
>The joke
>Your head

>>54051331
Nobody remembers Fate Reforged, except that they printed Ugin in it, and the Legendary cycles for EDH. There was very little else noteworthy.

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>>54051330
>Hour of Rebirth
>At the beginning of combat on your turn, return target creature from your graveyard to the battlefield. It gains haste. Exile it at the end of turn

>>54050383

Copies of creatures in a graveyard has appeared before

>>54051397
It's a Sorcery cycle, anon.

>>54051267
>Tezzeret is pharaoh-regent
I'd forgive a lot of Wizards' fuckery if they ran a full on Afro-futurist block, with unattributed Sun Ra quotes for flavor text.

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>>54048701
Say hello to the new UW reanimator standard.
T5 48 power

>>54051397
>>54051330
Red's will be Bolas himself showing up, right? Surely they're going to at least try pushing it a little.

>>54051423
Read Desolation twin again, and come back to me.

>scorp got killed
>locust god uses locust swarm to get scorp off the obelisk
>hazoret gets the HOT SCORPION COCK

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>>54051423
when you cast
sorry I'm an idiot

>>54051423
>Cast
Read the card you fucking pavement ape.

>>54051419
Shit you're right
I can't see them making anything red and have it be good or playable

>>54051276
It's like manadorks and mana rocks don't exist or something

>>54051436
No, Black will be Bolas himself. Grixis is Black primary, with its allies Blue and Red, so Black is Bolas' main color. Red will probably have the Scorpion on it.

>>54051387
>woe-reaper
>valorous stance
>shadow spear
>strike leader
>bloodchief
>merciless executioner

Also Tasigur. FRF pushed warriors from a pipe dream to reality, I will never forget how exited I was on day one of spoilers when Mardu Shadowspear and Strike Leader were revealed.

>>54047244
>began to speak after the second sun aligned
wow so fucking useful

>>54051494
Bolas cursed them to be unable to speak before it was too late iirc, they were the only ones who witnessed what he did to he plane or something

>>54051330
Black already has hour of glory though

>>54051487
You forgot the most important card that was printed in fate reforged: Gurmag Angler.

>>54051494
That's what Sphinxes are about. Warning people in such a way that it doesn't matter but they still get to say "I told you so".

>>54051480
Bolas has an equal mastery of red/blue/black

>>54051423
Jean Pierre, rentre chez toi.

>>54051480
There's only one card left in the Hour cycle and Scorpion already took Black.

>>54051520
I completely forgot about that, my mistake.

>>54051440
When do we get
HOT SCORPION DICK 1BR
Exile target creature, player reveals hand and discards all other copies of creature

We'll have the full set by Friday, correct?

>>54051530
I just remembered it as I hit enter.

>>54049468
>not 6 or less to enable memes with mind's desire

it's not even good at having fun.

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>>54051423
If you can't go big, go wide.

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>>54051468
>playing UG

>>54051046

I'm gonna have to agree with >>54051070
on this one.

The card has a neat effect, but it comes at a very high cost and has a detrimental side effect. To get the most out of the card you'd need to get at least 12 mana worth of casting out of it, at an average cost of 2 - 3 per card for 5 cards this doesn't sound too bad, but remember that about 33% of your deck will be lands, so realistically you're gonna be seeing 2 - 4 cards that you can actually cast, so you'd want an average cost of 4 - 6 per card instead. Which means that the card needs your deck to be fairly top-heavy to get back its cost in mana reliably.

>>54051387
They had duals in each pack. That was cool.

>>54051572
HOT SCORPION DICK GB
Instant
Target Scorpion you control gains deathtouch until end of turn and deals damage equal to its power to target creature.
"It's time."

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>>54051572

>>54051346
That's a lot of failure.
Seriously what the fuck were they thinking with the shuffle. It would still be shit but you could try to have some fun with it.

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>>54051602
Or play white servos and not be complete shit.

>>54051572
More like
>5BR
>Sorcery
>Put five -1/-1 counters on target creature.

>>54051135
>Implying he didn't kill her to eternalize her as thanks

This set is so weak. When does Ixalan come out?

Pretty shitty set.

>>54051644
Not Good Enough

>>54051672

September.

>>54051672
September 29

>>54051602
Could work.

>>54051657
But would it be competitive though?

>>54049536
The only conceivable way to make this good is as the top card in a doomsday pile, and there are infinitely better things you can do with doomsday.

>>54051672
there are over 210 goat breeds in the world

>>54051814
it.shuffles.

>>54051840
read doomsday

>>54051840
With doomsday itd exile all your cards, it doesnt matter if you shuffle. Its actually an okay use of it.

>>54049536
>shuffle

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE WIZARDS YOU JUST FUCKED IT ALL UP WHY DO YOU ONLY CATER TO TIMMY AND HIS STUPID DRAW LOTTERY SHIT WHY DO WE GET THIS RETARDED ASS CARD THAT YOU CANT EVEN SET UP FOR AND IT MAKES YOUR NEXT TURN USELESS FUCKING HELL EVEN YOUR 3 MANA BOLT IS BETTER THAN THIS UTTER TRASH AND I THOUGHT THAT 3 MANA BOLT AS SOMETHING TO SHOOT MYSELF OVER NOW I JUST WANNA BLOW MY BRAINS OUT THANKS WOTC YOU REALLY DID IT THIS TIME

>>54051726
Considering it has all of 15 seconds of thought behind it, probably not.
I've already seen servo swarm ideas when Aether Revolt was spoiled and then everything went silent, but maybe blue helps.
Maybe a sort of UW control deck that reanimates as a finisher ? Or go all-in tokens Gideons, mimic, servo lord and the guy that gives flying.

>>54051726
dunno, but is better than brood monitor since if you also have annointed procession you would get two 5/5 fliers and 8 3/3 servos

>>54049536
At this point they might as well bring coinflips back.

>>54049536
Might be fun trying to set up the scr-
>shuffle
For what fucking purpose.

>>54051888
>>54051877
oh allright, i've mistaken doomsday for another card.
still doesn't sound better than the other things you usually can do with doomsday.

>>54051905
Red mages on suicide watch.

>>54051944
i mean, casting the 4 cards you exiled at once for 6 mana is pretty good. as long as you have the cards remaining in your deck to combo off, you win.

>>54051981
More like izzet. How is a red mage going to set up the cards he wants on top.

Well would since you cant fucking do that.
It would not have been overpowered to not have the shuffle considering the card is fucking shit even without the restriction.

>>54052054
Eternal of half truths is not too bad I suppose.

>>54052054
Despite these being limited fodder they look so much more appealing than Hazoret's

>>54049468
I'll play it with Doomsday

>>54050024
This is so fucking bad in so many ways. Even without the lands don't untap clause this would be beyond horrible

>>54052054
Harsh truths seems fine
The other two are straight garbage

>>54051346
>Vorthos hates it because it is part of a cycle, but does not have the same "last reckoning" naming convention to it
Then Vorthos needs to step up, since it wouldn't qualify as last anything since Hazoret is the only one who survives. The rest is on point.

>>54052084
>>54052168
If he was 1U with only afflict 1 he would be playset playable, but then again he does dodge Non-revolted fatal push this way.

>>54051652
>what the fuck were they thinking
They saw Marvel back in November of last year and made a panic edit.

Amonkhet honestly reeks of last-minute power edits.

Red is gonna have one of those rare cards that the set is named after and it's going to be fucking garbage

god I can't wait

>>54052429
What the fuck is this resolution?

>>54048897
Scarab is also black, which DOES get to reanimate everyone's shit.
Blue is getting to slide because it's making token copies of your own shit (that happens to be dead)

>>54052429
That's... not bad

>>54052448
Now this is a good card

>>54052448
Oh yes

>>54052448
I was leaning towards u/w away from my usual u/r but this may bring me back.

Nah probably not.

>>54052448
>A card that could have set up for Undying Fury
>If Undying Fury didn't SHUFFLE THE DAMN DECK
Good card on it's own though

>>54052448
Sometimes better than putting it in your hand if you're playing Miracles.

>>54052448
Noice

>>54052033
>How is a red mage going to set up the cards he wants on top?
He doesn't because he's a dumbass red mage.

>>54052429

Seems ok as a staller in some sort of Grixis Control deck.

>>54052448

Maybe playable? Looks ok to me, just not sure the rest of a shell is there.

>>54052448
that's a pretty fucking good body and combat abilities to put any additional effect on. looks super hot in draft and possibly playable in standard.
i have no clue if that's enough to be playable in miracles, it looks a bit worse than anything legacy miracle has going on.

>>54052501
UR tempo is in a good spot actually

>>54052503
Im so fucking mad.

>>54052333
>Hour of Apathy
>5R
>Sorcery
>Deal 6 damage to up to two target creatures
>Your creatures get +1/+1 until end of turn

>>54052569
Yeah but I hate gideon and the idea of getting rewarded for exiling him gives me a huge erection.

>>54051091
I remove Nonland Cards and Sorcery Speed.
Lands not untapping is what makes it part of the cycle and is kind of important. The CMC 5 or less restriction is obviously there so as to not chian them (and if you're running this thing, it's the highest cost thing there). Getting 2-3 things for free is a strong effect - make it cheaper and it's Better Red CoCo.
To go for the three-of, I'd remove the shuffle.

>>54052598
My guess is
>Hour of Devastation
>XRRR - sorcery
>Deal X damage to each creature and planeswalker

it's gonna suck

>>54052333
>Hour of Devastation
>Sacrifice all permanents from the Amonkhet and Hour of Devastation expansions.

Who here /never plays red and is kind of bummed that red mages keep getting shafted but ultimately don't care because not my color/?

>>54052448

HOLY FUCKING SHIT A DECENT IZZET CARD WHAT IS THIS WORLD COMING TO?!

>>54052746
>Anything touching opponents' planeswalkers in this era

They've been going out of their way on quite a few cards to make sure they can't interact with planeswalkers. Kefnet's Last Word is the most recent example. No reason it shouldn't be able to nab a walker.

>>54052786
I'm a W/R player who usually uses red as a support colour, and yeah, I get that feeling pretty heavy.

>>54052786
I play BR almost exclusively so it kind of sucks but black and the hybrid cards in general have usually turned out pretty well as of late.

>>54052801
They go back and forth on that. See something like Dragonlord Atarka.

>>54052763
I would laugh my ass off.

>>54052786
When certain colors are gimped, it hurts the health of the format as a whole.

I think one of the issues with red at the moment in standard is the format has been pushed hard towards midrange/walkers - a place where red has never done well traditionally, but made up for it by having oddball cards that could disrupt midrange and combo decks and being the 'fast' color.
With how thing are going now, red has lost a good deal of its speed and wotc has been reluctant to make hosers and direct damage spells. Without anything really unique to it besides 'lol so randum XD', wotc makes shitty, overcosted cards because they're terrified of accidentally printing something good. Meanwhile, they let slip shit like Emrakul and Marvel.

I think Hazoret's card, for example, would have been better as something that summoned some 2/1 jackal tokens, gave them haste, and took control of an opponent's creature for two turns.

>>54052801
Why do they want planeswalkers to be huge so badly?

>>54053010
>standard has been pushed hard towards midrange/walkers
Standard is actually very aggro at the moment: zombie and vehicles can win consistently on turn 5/6

>>54049842
They don't want to do the revolving door of death, which is why the only one who's dead who's going to come back is the one they blatantly made a plane just to set up for it (Elspeth and Theros).
When they DO kill someone, they are gone.

>>54053023
>why do they try to make a situation wherein the card type they've been pushing down your gullets since Lorwyn, that is exclusively at the most expensive price point in the game, that causes morons to buy packs, is gradually made into the best cards by a mile across all formats

>>54052786
as someone who loved playing izzet token aggro with teleportal in the innistrad-ravnica days, it sucks to see red get so shafted now.

>>54050110
>>54050056
>>54050165
They barely even tested CoCo, and when they tried it it was exclusively in monogreentribal.dec
Like werewolves.

>>54053023
Face/Story/Character cards. When marketing pushes the hell out of something and then someone can finally play with their awesome and amazing jace, it's a feel-bad moment if he just dies to hero's downfall.

>>54053064
Vehicles leans heavily on Gideon. When he rotates the deck is going to be without its key piece. The new Gideon can sort of work in AoZ's place, but it's far weaker overall.

Zombie decks are not aggro at all, it's a value/midrange deck. If you try to play it aggro you're just going to get fucked.
>>54053072
While yes, there's intention there to sell packs, why do you act like it's a bad thing? WotC is a business.

>>54047325
>1 creature
>narrow scope
>4CMC
It's shit.

>>54052578
Your anger is imperishable?

>>54052881
>I play only the worst two color pair

Not sure if dumb or masochist.

>>54053184
See i so mad i not grammer right

>>54053153
>why do you act like it's a bad thing
I don't. I'm one of the few people that doesn't hate limited for existing, or blame it for the pitfalls of the game. (It's design being bad at making limited sets more than anything else), so I'm not even against packs as a concept.

I'm just sick of the 'chase mythics' method of selling packs.

>>54049289
>garbage card somehow making blue the best color

ok

>>54051210
>8+ mana control magic
>playable

maybe in limited

>>54052801
There is one thing every color has access to that can take care of planeswalkers. Care to hazard a guess as to what it is and why they would do that?