MODERN GENERAL MTG

>>54043030
>Brewing?
>Playing?
>Hating?
>Next Purchase?
>FREETWIN?

Question for a long time player who just started playing at modern locals; outside of something like supreme verdict for U/W control, how viable/important are boards wipes as atleast sideboard slots?

>>54043047
Not brewing anything on modern
UG Infect
Ballista and Chalice
I will wait till the next card that can save infect
No. Free Jace

>>54043165
If you're in red it can be good to run Pyroclasm or Anger of the Gods for stuff like Affinity, Dredge, CoCo, and random aggro decks that crop up.

In other color combinations Engineered Explosives can be a very powerful sideboard card because you can use it to sweep small creatures, tokens, Lilianas, Blood Moons, Ensnaring Bridges, etc.

If you're playing midrange or control and don't maindeck any sweepers putting one or two 4 mana wraths (like Supreme Verdict or Damnation) in the sideboard can help with the aforementioned swarm decks, but also stuff like Bant Eldrazi or Eldrazi Tron.

>>54043047
>Brewing?
Some shitty GY deck that isn't any better than dredge or living end so people will call me stupid for playing it
>Playing?
UW control
>Hating?
Tron. 4 spreading seas and 4 ghost quarter just aren't enough some games... (most games)
>Next Purchase?
Nothing planned yet. wait and see what expands dong
>FREETWIN?
free walletsculptor or batterforge mystic

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Reminder that if you're a burnfag and you don't run 1+ Ramunap Ruins you are ignoring the core principles of your deck, using counterintuitive logic, and missing out on one of the only card Wizards will ever purposefully print for your archtype

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>>54043410
>tfw cucks thought this was going to be a lightning bolt invocation
L
M
A
O

>>54043410

is there really not a better version of this type of thing? overcosted burn spell on a land?

>>54043503
Barbarian Ring but its not legal in Modern. And that still sees play in Legacy as a one of occasionally for the same reason Ramunap would be run, insurance against flooding. Thats despite Legacy burn being so much more powerful.

>>54043503
isn't a mountain better...?

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>>54043503
wizards doesn't like printing good utility lands much anymore

>>54043410
Barbarian Ring is three mana cheaper and can hit creatures if you ever need it to.

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>>54043557
Legacy Burn also takes extra damage from any nonbasics via running Price of Progress.

>>54043572
>Mountain
>Tap for R
>Feels bad to flood

>Ruins
>Tap for R and a sensible tickle
>Feels good to flood man

Been running hot on Jeskai Ascendancy lately. Ideas Unbound, Wind Zendikon, and two infinite engines make it absolutely insane! Gitaxian Probe would mean T2 wins, but T3/4 is attainable with consistency.

I can forsee the ubiquitous discard effects being problematic if I take it to FNM, so I might maindeck my Leylines of Sanctity like I do on Ad Nauseam. Jeskai Ascendancy has the advantage of being able to filter them away & has a similar speed.

>>54043721
Barbarian Ring requires Threshold, which nonbos with Lavamancer and is vulnerable to all sorts of gravehate. Barbarian Ring also doesn't tap for colorless freely, if you're paying for tax effects or casting Skullcrack.

BUT! it's a Legacy card! that's right, it's not a legal card, much like Chain Lightning and other cards that are infinitely better than Modern burn cards.

Barbarian Ring is an AMAZING fucking card, it would be a 4of in Modern burn without question. BUT IT'S LEGACY!

>>54043763
Shiet my dude you run some of the same jank I do. 1 Noxious Revival is fun as you're sole phyrexian mana turn 2 enabler

can miracle grow work in modern?

>>54043047
>Playing
GW Pillowfort

>Brewing
Just new sideboard tech for the deck

>Hating
Nothing really. Kinda amusing how few enchantment removal people have in their 75

>>54043030
That card is actually really good if it's in the right deck (taking turns).

Also what do my fellow Turns players think about splashing a color? Do you guys think it's better to run Mono U or UB/UG or some other combo?

With all this talk of burn in thread, I've been meaning to ask - if I'm building burn, should I stick with mono red, or try and got Boros for lightning helix and soul fire grandmaster?


Also, I'm looking at possibly building skred and / or Turns. Any advice or suggestions on which is best?

>>54044592
Also, might try and build a janky sliver tribal sometime. So which of the four would work best in the current format, which seems most fun, etc? Burn is cheap enough for me to build regardless, although goblin guides are a pain in the ass.

>>54044592
what the fuck burn lists play grandmaster?

stick to fucking helix and boros charm stupid head

>>54044592
>go Boros for lightning helix and soul fire grandmaster
>soulfire grandmaster
>in burn
lol this guy

>>54044609
>>54044649
Well I was intending to go mono red, but a friend pointed out my lightning helixes I got laying around, and when I thought about anger of the gods with a soul fire on the field...

But is mono red faster and more reliable overall, or is it worth splashing white?

>>54044695
Successful Burn lists in Modern are almost universally RW, with a splash of green for Destructive Revelry. Some lists expand the green splash for Atarka's Command and/or Wild Nacatl. Only shitters play Nacatl burn though

>>54044695
here's an example of a recent competitive list. this is the ideal, although the land base is fairly flexible. for example, the scalding tarns could be bloodstained mire and do literally the exact same thing for a fraction of the price

>>54044723
>Only shitters play Nacatl burn though
Works in my meta :^)

>>54044729
it might help if I don't forget to fucking ctrl + v
http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=15927&d=297923&f=MO

>Playing
UBx Tezzeret, been fun so far but encountered so much fast aggro at my LGS it's starting to be an issue.

>Brewing
I like that Esper Goryos list that's been going around, bring back Ghostdad and Jace seems sweet

>Hating
Blood Moon, is no fun

>>54044695
GM is a do nothing, doesn't beat face well/hasty and doesn't improve your clock. You're on burn, your life is irrelevant, you just want more damage

>>54044736

Your meta doesn't play cards like

>fatal push, path, terminate, lightning bolt

very interesting

>>54044759
a cunt at my lgs was playing that esper goryo thing last friday, except he had a special 1 of as his spice

>end of my turn he activates jace
>they usually flip him on their turn but yeah whatever
>discards fucking jin-gitaxias
>slams goryo's vengeance
>I don't have removal
>oops my hand is gone
>cunt clubs me for 5 then draws 7 before being exiled
>I lose shortly after
shit was gross

>>54044816
That post was obviously ironic retard.

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>>54044834
THAT is fucking spicy and now my dick is erect

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>>54044834
juicy j always gets my dick hard

Will I learn at least the basics of how modern works, such as my local meta, how to play against various decks, the general feeling of the format, etc, by using Stompy?

I'm willing to get into it with a more expensive deck but I want to dip my toes in first to see if I even like it.

>>54045248
Playtest it on Xmage first

>>54045248
How is using a deck like Stompy going to help you decide if you like the format or not?
If you like Magic you're probably going to like Modern, it isn't like it's EDH or some shit

>>54045272
Modern is pretty as tbqh familia but the diversity keeps its fresh af

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>>54045248
Most modern decks are pretty straight forward. If you don't like stompy you really can't go wrong with burn. You can build a reasonably competitive burn deck for like $35 and for the most part all the cards stay viable up until you replace them with their non-budget alternatives. It's not like you're going to need to dump hundreds of dollars worth of fetch/shocks moxs etc.

>>54045355
*ass

>>54045365
The only it's ever ass is because of the current meta, not really the formats problem though.

>>54045365
compared to what, standard or legacy?

>>54045358
Please tell me that's a good movie.

>>54045416
Eh....The special effects peak at this scene the angles look likes something out of the 90s.

>>54045446
>angles
Angels

jesus fuck.

>>54043030
Fairly new player here. Gonna meet this guy who sells playsets of foothills and mire. All cards are original ONS (in bad condition). All i see at my LGS are reprints, never saw a single ONS fetch. How worried should i be about fakes?

>>54045525
You should always be wary of the possibility of them being fakes.
Most of the counterfeits going around right now are indistinguishable while double sleeved but outside of them you can normally tell the difference.
Point is, if it's a fake, you'll probably know.

>>54044759
>>54044729
>>54044723


Okay, thanks- I'll probably build mono red, then slip in the helixes once I get a feel for it and want to grab the fetch lands and stuff.

Any opinions on skred or turns though?

>>54045600
Skred is really sub-par, just run normal burn.

>>54045575
Okay, but a playset of ONS fetches is nothing wierd?
Can you tell me some signs to look for in fake cards?

>>54045600
If you're considering skred, I would suggest ponza as a better alternative, and I'm not a fan of the way turns plays, if you're considering that type of deck I'd recommend watching the guy that got into top8 at GP Vegas and see if you like it.

Now, about the burn thing, it was my first serious modern deck and after all it lies now as my least favorite, the way the deck folds to life gain and slight mana flood is just something you can't really do anything about if you don't have the right spells, coming back from the opponent gaining 9+hp or stabilizing the board is also almost impossible.

These days If I want to be really fast to destroy the slower meta of the day my choice is Revolt Zoo

>>54045644
No, that isn't really that weird.
The best things to look for are that they're either going to be too glossy or too matte, the back might be too orange or too dark, set symbols can be off and hell, I've even some some that are miscut to hell but those aren't nearly as common now.

>>54045660
Seen some*

How many people here just stick to a pet deck regardless of meta? I've played UWr control since the inception of modern and I'll probably keep brewing it forever

Currently fiddling around with spell queller, that card is fun as fuck

>>54045644
>Okay, but a playset of ONS fetches is nothing wierd?
Have you seriously never seen old grogs at FNM with ONS fetches, RAV shocks, and a bunch of 3ed-5ed basics?

Where can I watch all the GP vegas coverage? Youtube only seems to have round 1 and top 8 for some asinine reason

>that poor guy getting matched against a 6 year old on camera
He was fucked regardless of whether he's win or lose

>>54045674
Where is that game?

>>54045644
ONS fetches are fine, good tests are that fakes tend to be weirdly colored, or have a wrong printing point pattern. Take a looking glass to a card you know is real and check the little dots that make the back color. You are also able to see through a real mtg card if you hold it up against the light, fakes tend to have thicker paper that you can't look through

Just google this stuff there are tons of guides online

>>54045691
https://youtu.be/s6y9lO9THIY

It's really impressive Imo, she obviously misplays but has a good understanding of cards

>>54045674
>matched against a six year old
Exactly what i thought. You win: great job, you beat a child. You loose: good job beating a child.

Also
>two kids in the modern grandprix
>magic is a game of skill and knowledge

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>>54043047
>>Brewing?
Coffee
>>Playing?
Thalia & Friends No-Fun Taxstravaganza!
>>Hating?
Everyone!
>>Next Purchase?
Orzhov Pontiff for that guy that maindecks Lingering Souls.
>>FREETWIN?
Yeah sure, why not?

>>54045674
>Game says 13+
So who wants to report SCG?

>>54045781
>So who wants to report SCG?
An angry autistic manchild most likely

>>54044231
Splash white and remove all the cards that say "Take an extra turn after this one" with "prevent all combat damage dealt to players this turn"

>show up with unsleeved cards
>opponent completely dumbfounded

Is there a bigger mind-game than this?

>>54045358
>>54045416
Don't want to share the title anons?

>>54045664
I've played Grixis Delver for the entire time I've played Modern but thats because I'm poor and can't afford anything else

>>54045722
lol, the cards look huge in her hands

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Devour Flesh or Geth's Verdict?

>>54046359
How much do you need to improve your DS match up?

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>>54046359
Devour Flesh is infinitely better against DS.
I'm still on the Condemn train though since I'm crazy and enjoy white.

>>54046341
It's Noah, a 2014 movie.

>>54046347
Trade your delvers for death's shadows. Your deck will be instantly better.

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>>54043047
>>Brewing?
Bring to light scapeshift + madcap emperion

>>Playing?
Bant spirits

>>Hating?
Lantern. Always lantern.

>>Next Purchase?
Considering a couple of engineered explosives

>>FREETWIN?
FREEBBE

>tfw no Death Shadow player in your FLGS
Feels great man

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>>54044834

That's disgusting, I love it

>Brewing?
"Grixis" Tron
>Playing?
Grixis Tron
>Hating?
goodstuff.dec
>Next Purchase?
Ugin and/or Karn
>FREETWIN?
Free Modern by actually reprinting staples

>>54046541

Are you getting the new Bolas? I'm surprised to see grixis tron

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>>54046552
I don't know yet
The new Bolas doesn't seem to be as annoying as the first
Same for the Planeswalker Deck Bolas
I'm not ready to go full Bolas tribal yet

>Pic related turns your classic Gx Tron into [Anything] Tron

>>54044592
Don't play Grandmaster, senpai. If you want a spicy creature play Satyr Firedancer

>>54045664
Played Affinity for a few years. Deck is always tier one and the core hardly changes. I can take a break for a couple years and come and only spend a couple dollars to update my deck. Good choice overall.

>>54046496

This one?

https://www.channelfireball.com/videos/channel-pardee-time-madcap-scapeshift-modern/

>>54046684
Hot damn that is pretty spicy, I won't lie. Where would I fit it in though?

>>54046903
You don't. Well, you could try and fit 1-2 in the sb against Elves, CoCo decks, any deck wanting field small creatures. I doubt it will help much, though.

>>54046903
secret soul sister tech

>>54046944
Fair enough - I know at least one guy is going all in on elves at my local place at least.


What would be the best substitute for goblin guides till I can actually buy them? Just stick with swiftspears and eidolons?

>>54046957
A friend of mine actually suggested I made some sort of wretched soul sister / burn deck.

>>54046726

Yeah, pretty much. I find repeal useless, I run echoing truth instead, and a couple other tweaks here and there

>>54046967
No Goblin Guides is rough, but you can make due. Vexing Devil can work (but is always going to get you the worst choice.) I had some success with Spark Elementals and Mogg Fanatic when I was in a tight budget. If you want to go up to 2 drops (which I don't recommend. Even if you're mono red, 2 drops are pretty loaded already), Keldon Marauders will always get damage in one way or another, and Stormblood Berserker or Lightning Elemental are okay choices.

>>54046684
Shit that sounds great for dealing with elves. Lets me kill anglers with searing blaze too.

>>54047034
Damnit. Hellspark Elemental, not Lightning Elemental. I always get those two mixed up.

>>54047034
>>54047071
Thanks anon, I'll check it out. I know goblin guides are probably worth it in the end, because they see play in a lot of aggro decks.

>>54044834
uh where did your hand go? you're not supposed to check the number of cards in your hand vs your maximum hand size except at the very end of your turn, so JinGit shouldn't force you to discard... am I missing something here?

>>54047174
I actually got it. He reanimates JinGit at the end of your turn before the cleanup. Fair enough.

>>54046305
Anime slut items, the confidence to play with them makes your enemies start to crack.

Can someone give me the pros and cons on GW hatebears over D&T ?

I reeeeaaaally want to try out the Ramunap Excavator + GQ combo when HOU comes around but if Black is better than Green then I might not bother.

After the rotation i'm done with standard and i will have a deckbox and some sleeves to fill. Recommend me a cheap and fun modern deck that i can use if i'm fed up with my burn deck.

>>54048582
>cheap
Give us a budget. What's cheap to me might not be cheap to you.
>fun
That's also subjective. What playstyles or archetypes do you find enjoyable?

>>54048582

Mono green stompy

If you want a complete meme deck you could try somethign like Swan Hunt

>>54048582

Someone posted this last thread, I thought it had some interesting ideas:

https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/34vz16/10_modern_decks_around_30_part_4th_be_with_you/

Warning, some of these decks are no longer $30 because prices keep spiking on anything remotely playable in Modern, like the Living End deck.

>>54048666
>cheap
Around 50-60$, i already spend alot on my naya burn.

>fun
Something not streamlined tthat could also win some games. Thought about mono green infect or stompy but i feel those are just turning creatures sideways. Maybe a janky combo.

>>54048830

>janky combo

Duskmantle mindcrank

>>54048830
>Maybe a janky combo.
New Perspectives.

>>54048830
>50$-60$
Yeesh. Even most budget decks run 100$.

Lots of modern decks turn dudes sideways. You can try Duck Hunt ( https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/598202#paper ). Had a bunch of wierd lines of play. You can do mono red burn for about that much (without Eidolon or Gobbo Guides). Check MtgGoldfish's budget section. It's pretty good.

Other than that, I'm not sure what your options are. You can always start brewing, then find budget option replacements.

>>54045728
It really doesn't reflect well on the game that some average ten year olds can be competitive in elite tournaments.

>>54048830

>Maybe a janky combo.

Swan Hunt is a mega janky combo

If you want some more options you could just go through the Budget Magic section on mtggoldfish until you find something you like

Be aware that 60 bucks is EXTREMELY budget in Modern, most stuff labeled "Budget" will run you 80-120 dollars

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/series/budget-magic

WB Aristocrats works pretty good (Goes 5-0 in the videos showcasing it) and the article even has an ultra budget version that's 50 bucks

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/budget-magic-96-40-tix-wb-aristocrats-modern

>>54048582
>i'm fed up with my burn deck
How?
Burn is like the definition of autistic fun.

>>54046347
>too poor
>Deck runs 4 snapcaster, 8 fetches, multiple shocks, fatal push
k

>>54049537
He might be playing poorfag manabase with with tapped lands and evolving wilds and shit

>>54046699
It's cause affinity has so many tools. Most damage you do flies, most blocking/removal they do is ineffective because ravager. You can get life from vault skirge, infect with inkmoth etc. I wish I had an affinity deck but holy fuck ravager inkmoth and moxs are retardedly expensive.

>>54050828
Just win a tournament or two anon. Sell your bulk too while you are at it.

What's the best strategy for the first deck in Modern? I've decided to try UR Storm, is that a good choice?
I've been playing Standard for 7 months since I discovered MTG, and now I'd like to build a deck in an eternal format.
Burn looks too boring, Affinity is too expensive, Tron isn't really interesting. Also thinking of Collected Company Elves

>>54043030
So I know most people play stony silence in my meta. Affinity is the only modern deck that I currently have available, what do I sideboard against that? Is wear//tear enough?

>>54052133
>tfw no modern scene in central Oregon

what's the best site to buy older basic lands? like is there a sight where they have more than 2 or 3 in stock?

>>54052260
Imo storm and burn aren't too different since they're really both pretty linear. Only difference is burn is ban proof and can be built on a budget.

>>54052896
cardkingdom

>>54052260
Storm is the kind of deck that almost plays on it's own and I believe it has the potential to reach the "I'm sick of playing with this" state faster than other decks.

Ultimately though, what's the way you like to play magic? If storm is what gets you going, go ahead.

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rate my memebrew /tg/

>>54053863
This is not a brew. It's also not a good deck.

>>54054181
But dude, the synergy between Algae and Urborg
It's a brew, no one has ever thought of this before.

>>54053674
What other decks are you talking about? Like, Lantern Control or something?
Well... I play Standard with RG Aggro and I really like it.

>>54054413
I mean the path for the deck to win is almost a straight line and the way it walks through that line is very much the same every single time, I feel like Dredge,Living End, Ad Nauseam, Soul Sisters and Storm and good examples of this type of deck.
I haven't actually played much agaisnt lantern to have a opinion of how enjoyable it is of a deck to play, but I already know it's not my type of deck.

If you want to replicate the RG Aggro aspect in modern, Revolt Zoo is a very fast deck that shares those colors, albeit the mana base is somewhat expensive, since it requires 12 fetches and 4 shocks at the least.

>>54054413
Lantern isn't anything like that senpai

Is unburial/gifts the latest hot meme?

>>54053863
whatifjundwasbad/10

>>54044816
More likely his meta doesn't have giant eldrazi and death's shadow running around in it

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COULD YOU NOT HAVE WAITED TO PRINT THIS AS A FAERIE
FUCK

>>54055058
You already have clique which is better in almost every scenario

>>54055203
>UU
>legendary
>doesn't have cycling
>can't be used to counter abilities
The situations in which VClique is inferior are innumerable.

Bruh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvajT6AvFJw

>>54055398

What a dumb deck that I'm going to build, probably.

>playing standard on xmage
>its a casual unranked game
>opponent is playing some retarded control deck
>they leave the timer on so you get to play 1.25 games

biggest waste of time

>>54053863
seems like sylvan scrying should be loam and surgicals should be some configuration of scavenging ooze, nihil spellbomb, and collective brutality
i'd probably go to 4 tec edges too

>>54055904

Yeah you're right, playing standard IS a waste of time.

>>54056139
MENGUCCI SAID STANDARD WAS SAFE AND I SHOULD PLAY IT OKAY GAWD

>>54056238
Mengucci is a fucking fraud. I've never seen a ''pro'' be so awful at the game

>>54056410
you take that back right now you heathen

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I'm trying to build a cheap(ish) eldratron deck that I can upgrade as I play because it's what I always wanted to do back in high school and I nutted when I heard it was viable now

anyone have any better suggestions? I'm a returning player so I have like no fucking clue what I'm doing, I just want to hold out against neckbeards at FNM

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/27-06-17-budget-eldrazi-tron/

Is xmage a good way to test my shit decks out?

>>54057106

Yeah, as long as you don't join rated games where people actually want to practice and play competitively.

>>54054820
That's always been a thing. It's just never been particularly good, because its components won't win you the game on their own while making you a pot of coffee and sucking your dick.

>>54057012

-2 dismember
-1 endbringer
-2 hangarback
+2 all is dust
+2 ballista
+1 of some sort of hate card, maybe relic of prog

Emmy is cute but is pretty dead for the first 4ish turns.

Does running humans have any benefit over elves other than Bob/Snap being in tribe?

>>54057369
Thanks
I'll try to pick up All is Dust and Ballista as soon as I can but they're kind of expensive at the moment

Emrakul is my girlfriend but I will let her sit in my binder if she isn't that great
Though, I was kind of having her sit around until I get a Karn or Ugin

>>54057645
Neither of those are played in humans senpai.

>>54058033
Does humans have any other redeeming factors over knife ears?

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>>54058244
Elves do not have perfection. :^)

>>54058320
I've been trying to make a midrange deck that does all the interactive things but using creatures so that effects like Thalia remain one-sided as possible.

It hasn't been great. At a certain point I'd rather jam Trinisphere.

>>54058470
Yeah, she is better in legacy. Still pisses people off quite a lot tho.

>>54058320
>Elves do not have perfection. :^)
Elves are the superior race. They are perfection.

>Eldrazilands are banned
>Ancient Tomb printed at Rare
What happens?

>>54046496
>picture
>not replacing F in both words with phyrexian symbol that is essentially a greek F
> replacing them with PH and using phi as O instead

Is that what's supposed to be 'triggering' about those flakes?

>>54055251
with Clique you don't have to choose between a body and an effect

>>54058244
lin sivvi

>>54058685
Decks start slamming turn 1 chalice and modern babbies collectively REEEEE so hard every ear drum at wotc HQ bleeds, then they ban it.

where is the standard thread? i need to know if there is good enchantment removal

>>54059215
>modern babbies
I don't care who you are, chalice on one, turn one, is not fun

>>54059239
Dead, like the format.

Here, https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/kaladesh-removal-list

I'm sure a list like this exists for every standard block.

If you surgical the simian spirit guides from ad nauseam do they still have anyway to win?

>>54059284
Just cast abrupt decay, retard.

>>54059355
>everyone plays gbx and has decay in hand

>>54059215
>>54059284
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>>54057369
You dont need to play 2 titans in the deck also i would recommend only using 1 Sanctum of Ugin since when you use it the game is almost over.

>>54059455
>His deck isn't 50% decays that he hides all but 4 of behind other cards

>>54059325
They could stick lab man then AN or use Slow lotus, but generally speaking it should slow them down enough that you should stomp them before they win.

>Modern-izing an old Standard deck for FNM
>tfw you realize the HYPEST shit from seven years ago is pure shit now
Damn, Epochrasite aged like milk.

>>54059284

It's pretty fun when your opponent is playing brainstorm tribal and you curve into blood moon the next turn after.

>>54059355
>decay
>not revelry
LaughtingBurnPlayer.png

>>54060398
>implying I don't have chalice on 1 and 2

>>54060415
>implying I don't also have Wear//Tear

>>54043047
>Brewing?
A gixis delver list that doesn't suck balls
>Playing?
Ad Naus
>Hating?
Grixis Death's Shadow cause I suck at piloting it
>Next Purchase?
None for a while, I spent all my money finishing ad naus at GP Vegas
>FREETWIN?
Unban: Twin, Bloodbraid Elf
Ban: Deceiver Exarch, Death's Shadow

>>54059990
Bloodmoon and delver are still good and good cards are timeless. No matter how much wotc talks about muh meta, good cards always outperform bad ones when played correctly.

>>54053863
main deck the spreading algae you pussy
also why is surgical in the main deck?

>>54061668

If they ban Death's Shadow, why not just ban Tarmagoyf too? Both are just low-mana-costed conditionally super powerful vanilla creatures.

>>54061781
shadow costs 1 mana, goyf costs 2 mana
if goyf cost 1 mana it would be banned

>>54061781
>they are banning a 1 mana 13/13
>why dont they ban a 2 mana 3/4

>>54062003
Shadow never that big

>>54043047
>Brewing?
Bant thopter/sword
>Playing?
UWR
>Hating?
Anything that plays like jund
>Next Purchase?
probs nothing for a while, i have the cards for a few other decks if i want to switch it up
>FREETWIN?
And jace, sfm, probe, bloom

>>54043726
>Legacy Burn also takes extra damage from any nonbasics via running Price of Progress.
Rarely, legacy burn is usually mono-R at least pre-board

>>54062084
reading comprehension

>>54059284
explaining how Shattering Spree works with Chalice on 1 is kind-of fun. It becomes actual fun if they have to have a Judge explain to them how Replicate works.

>>54062164
desu it isnt very intuitive

>>54062084
that's what I meant, they are disincentivized from running any non-basics at all, and yet Barb Ring is good enough to be an exception.

I'll take a poor man's Barb Ring any day though, stoked to pick up 1-2 for R/W burn

>>54053248
thanks Anon, they had exactly what I wanted actually

>>54052896
tcgplayer, depends a little on the land though.

>>54062304

>tapping 5 lands and saccing 1 of them to deal 2 damage

Yeah that's not complete shit at all. Burn players, everyone.

>>54062826
>not being so burny that even your lands can burn for a final hit

its about having the options to do so when you need to, not having to do so every time. metacucks, everyone.

>>54062826
Can you think of one singular better thing you could otherwise be doing having hit a 5th land in a burn deck?
The opportunity cost is peanuts.

>nonburnbro weenies everyone

>>54063065
>Can you think of one singular better thing you could otherwise be doing having hit a 5th land in a burn deck?
going to game 2, sideboarding, then choosing to be on the play

>>54063065
no one has ever played more than 4 lands ever in a match with a burn deck

>>54062991

Do you know why people put singleton conditional cards in their decks? It's because while they're conditional and can be a dead draw sometimes, they also have a powerful effect that can steer the game in your favor if they stick. However, that card does nothing for the disadvantage it creates. It fucking reeks of draft chaff.

>inb4 barbarian ring for modern

Barbarian ring is good as a singleton because it can deal with problematic creatures while getting around taxing effects/lock pieces/counterspells, which that piece of shite can't even target. Not to mention its drastically lower cost. Funny how it's not worth piss even in your ridiculous scenario where you have 5 lands out, haven't drawn into gas, and haven't conceded yet.

>>54063065

See >>54063130

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unban it

>>54063238
FREE SFM

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>>54063170
>5 lands is a ridiculous scenario
>threshold isnt

in a deck where drawing 3-4 of my 16 lands is a bad time, having one of those lands be a expensive shock can be the ace i need. literally no reason not to run it in place of a mountain or 2.

and for barbarian ring, things like scavenging ooze can be a problem. with ruins i can use if i have the mana. who says i HAVE to have five lands in play when i use it?

>>54063347
threshold is met pretty easily if you have fireblast

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Stop playing lands in front.

>>54063643
Playing lands is front is actually pretty stupid

>b-but I learned how to play that way

>>54063722
LSV played lands in front on camera

>>54063755
I don't consider him an exception

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>>54063142
actually factually untrue
>>54063130
throwing away a win, nice one
>>54063170
>5 lands
>havent drawn into gas
paradoxical. the land is gas.

basically
>le scoop replies

The difference between mediocre burn players and good burn players is topdecking the final burn spell.
The difference between good burn players and great burn players is running Ramunap Ruin.

Again, /tg/ being shit at Magic

>>54063825
>actually factually untrue
proof?

>>54063825
>so you're saying ramunap ruin is going to be secret burn tech?

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>>54063852
my autism grows stronger with each (You)
to be fair it's jeff, who may be the only burn player ever to have reached 5 lands ever.

>>54063895
it won't be a secret for long famalam.

wait til it's actually printed, played, and listed in top8s, only then will the filthy netdecker scum realize how op as balls it truly is.

>>54063825

The mana is the engine, the spells are the gas, and the creatures are the transmission.

>>54063993
What the hell is happening in this picture? Is Mat conceding on 7 life? Does he only have 2 lands turn 6+?

>>54064040
i think he's just tapping lands

>>54059990
SaffronOlive managed to build a pretty janky mono-white blink deck that used Epochrasite, it was pretty funny.

>>54043047
>>Brewing?
Mono-blue tempo
>>Playing?
Grixis Shadow
>>Hating?
Other shadow decks
>>Next Purchase?
Second blood crypt
>>FREETWIN?
Sure, but i'd rather them ban tron lands. Banning tron lands frees up midrange decks from being death's shadows variants.

>>54043047
>Brewing?
Nothing at the moment but I was thinking about building a UW blink deck just for the hell of it
>Playing?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/infinite-combo-norin-sisters/
>Hating?
Online I hate Tron but at my LGS everyone plays DS so that
>Next Purchase?
Not a clue
>FREETWIN?
I don't have a problem with it since I'd gain life from all the shit they get and it would just cancel out.

>>54064730
they also would have infinite blockers until you remove the twin'ed creature

>>54064735
>implying I need to swing in to kill them
Bwahaha

>>54064746
>implying a twin deck would let you assemble a combo

>>54064777
The game is just gonna stalemate then

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>>54064730

>UW Blink

You know what to do

What would you sub for Obliterator in monoblack if he's out of budget? That HOU croc?

>>54065426
Desecration Demon? Abyssal Persecutor? Ashenmoor Liege? Erebos's Titan?

>>54065502
>Titan
First time I've regretted missing Origins. Thanks anon

>>54065502
>Origins
>WE CAN'T REPRINT INQUISITION BECAUSE OF LORE REASONS
>BUT HERE, HAVE A FUCK TON OF LORE RELATED CARDS IN A CORE SET
>HELL, HAVE A FUCKING AVACYN IN ONE
>JUST A STRAIGHT UP AVACYN CREATURE
>BUT YOU'RE NOT HAVING INQUISITION, IT DOESN'T FIT WITH A CORE SET

>>54065565
but muh devoid flavor
heh enjoy ur transgress the mind
coulda cost B instead of 1B

>>54065339
>yiss
4x Augury Owl
2x Trinket Mage
1x Vendilion Clique
3x Restoration Angel
3x Akroma, Angel of Fury
4x Path to Exile
4x Mystic Speculation
1x Pithing Needle
1x Engineered Explosives
4x Momentary Blink
1x Telling Time
4x Cloudform
2x Supreme Verdict
2x Entreat the Angels

This is basically throwing the brews at the wall and seeing what sticks. The idea with Cloudform is to reduce the deck's vulnerability to targeted removal, while a fair bit more scrying is trying to set up Cloudform more easily. Trinket Mage used to be hot tech and seems like it has some strong options for not a lot of maindeck space so I'm trying it, and Entreat is there to test the feasibility of a Blink/Scry engine in setting up Miracles.

In the end none of this is likely to be any good, but I enjoy toying around with the ideas anyway so it's worthwhile even if nothing sticks.

>>54063993
Jeff isn't the only one to flood that hard. It happens to me all the time, and my burn list only runs 19 lands.

>>54065773
>No 4x Serum Visions
Come on there's brewing and then there's just bad deck building.

>>54063993
Keldon megaliths already exists and it sees zero play, doesn't hurt you or require you to sac it either. Pretty sure the new desert won't see any play.

>>54065820
Megaliths enters tapped.

>>54065832
Megaliths is reusable

>>54065840
It takes 3 turns for Megaliths to do the damage that the Desert can do in 1 as a topdeck. Like nigger just stop, the Desert is a fine 1-of in Burn because of obvious reasons.

>>54065814
If Ponder were legal I'd 100% be running that. But it's not, so Mystic Speculation is the way you dig three deep without running the risk of accidentally drawing an Akroma or an Entreat when you don't want to, so I figured I'd give that a try since the deck's gimmick revolves around fixing draws.

>>54065906
So basically you're choosing card disvantage over potentially drawing a card you don't want to draw despite the majority of cards in your deck being cards you want to draw.

Alright.

>>54065916
I won't argue that Serum Visions is the better card in a vacuum because it clearly is, but it's also a nonbo with the two win conditions I've brewed the deck specifically to try out. So I decided to go with a worse card that fits the gameplan better to see if the gameplan is worthwhile, and if it feels that way try substituting a "better" option that might sometimes strand me with a card in hand that I don't want.

>>54054733
Thanks! I'll condisder this.
>>54054761
What? Did I compare it with anything? Sorry, I don't get your post

How does Turns even play? Anyone have any good videos?

>>54067254
>get to turn 5 without dying
>chain extra turn spells
>???
>you win the game

>>54067596
I guess ??? is just part the waterveil now?

>>54067617
and Snapcaster beats. :^)

Can Teachings be good in Modern? Fatal Push certainly helps the deck.

>Uw enchantment fort
>use endless horizons to pull all the lands out of your deck
>finish them with charbelcher
HOW DO THE FUCKING JAPS KEEP COMING UP WITH CRAZY SHIT?

>>54068478
I thought of that a long ass time ago and posted it on here. Not long after, I was called a faggot and dismissed. Maybe the difference between us and the Japs is that the Japs don't dismiss everything.

>>54068498
Nah the japs just have a lot of small, meaningless tournaments that non-Japanese people take seriously for some reason.

>>54068478
It's a pretty neat deck.

>>54068558
So it's exactly like the states then? Lots of small tournaments, most of which literally don't matter, and non-Japanese people take them too seriously.

>>54068702
They don't really. I hear about these japanese tournaments far more often than small non-japanese ones. Last time I heard about a non-japanese one was a 9 man tournament with an atrocious mill deck coming 8th.

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If it's shit deck tech hour check out this spicy death's shadow staple
>play at end of opponents turn
>draw 2 cards
>replay shock on your turn and grow your shadow

>>54068345
Hardcore control of most flavors is great against Shadow and robots, but lacking against Tron.

>>54068757
>3cmc
opinion discarded

>>54068757
The strength of Death's Shadow decks is that they play a pile of strong cards then eventually have a huge Death's Shadow. That, however, is not a strong card.

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Building a shitdeck with my cardfu, what are some obvious autoincludes?

>>54069434
Arcbound Ravager.

>>54069434

>artificers intuition
scrap trawler

>>54069504
>that price

Any ghetto budget alternatives

Doing Abzan humans like a scrub. Any spicy suggestions?
Also are allies fun?

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oops let me retry this post >>54069712

yo i need investment advice

i bought one of pic relateds back in last november or something for my monoblack edh deck, and apparently your sweaty little format has driven up its value to from 7 euros to 17 euros in europe.

i don't need mine anymore, so i was wondering if it was a good idea to trade it away right now, or should i wait?

>>54069604
Atog

>Brewing?
UW Control mostly.

>Playing?
Living End a.k.a $0.25 Commons: The Deck

>Hating?
Nothing in particular. I don't get to play much paper magic, so I don't have any real experience with the current meta to comment.

>Next Purchase?
Probably playset of SSG. I still need two more Fulminator Mages, but I have Avalanche Riders for now, so the monkeys will be more helpful.

>FREETWIN?
Eh. Could be interesting to see what would happen, but I totally get why it's on the banlist in the first place and will probably stay that way.

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>>54069727
>I'm so poor that 2 hours work of minimum wage is worth wasting other neets time for

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>>54070425
17 euros is like 170 gray merchants of asphodel, not exactly chump change in edh

>>54069605
>Also are allies fun?
Fun? Yes.
Good? Kinda.

>>54069727
Go ask the sub-human mtgfinance Jews on Twitter

>>54069727
Trade it away right now while Eldrazi Tron dominates the format

>>54069605
>Also are allies fun?
Depends on what you think is fun. At it's care, Allies are "just another CoCo deck".

Excluding Elves and Druidcombo, all CoCo decks are the same and it doesn't really matter what you get out of your 6 cards, because CoCo is just a busted card. Coco Humans, Coco Warriors, Coco Goblins, it really doesn't matter and more or less always plays the same. You pay 4 mana and put two creatures into play.

Allies are less "powerful" than Naya or Humans builds, but they are capable of exploding harder. For example, curving Hada Freeblade into Kazandu Blademaster, into Kabira Evangel and finishing with a CoCo revealing two Akoum Battlesinger is basically game over.

Tuktuk Scrapper is also a hilarious card against Affinity. It's slow and doesn't get cheated out with Coco, but it's really funny.

>>54069727
Lol I own two playset of the regular art, and a playset of the promo. Same shit happened to me with chalice, Bauble and crucible. The secondary market is fucked

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>>54070439
>memecenter_smug_pepe.jpg

fucking normie get off my board

>>54070439
>170 gray merchants of asphodel
>in a singleton format
Leave now, brainlet

>>54071353
>He doesn't have 170 EDH decks!

>>54071421

>he has an edh deck

Go back to your containment thread.

>>54071484
I personally got rid of mine ages ago when it became apparent that the format was a combo-centric shitfest with zero moderation At one point my Nin the Pain Artist deck was worth around $1600 and had a crazy winrate at my LGS

Modern General, mismatched Tron Lands, yes or no?

>>54053674
You haven't played storm, have you. The deck is difficult to pilot, as there are so many different lines you can take. Its a lot like ad nauseam in a sense, except with even more lines.

>>54068345
The format is so diverse and powerful now that the endgame Teachings provides (on its own) can easily be outclassed by other decks. To overcome this, you can use bombs like Sphinx's Revelation or White Sun's Zenith to put the game away, but at that point you might as well run a more streamlined Esper Draw-Go deck without Teachings.

>>54053674
As an ex-Gifts Stormfag myself, I got burnt out quick.
In your good matchups, you win, in your bad matchups, you lose, very rarely does that change, and the only reason it would change is when your deck or the other player's deck just caves under itself.
I stopped playing it because it felt as though I was playing poker. It got to the point where I showed my opponent my hand, displayed I could get there, sometimes even through interferences they might have, and if they wanted, I went through the motions.

It's too linear, too much a gamble of who you sit down across, and doesn't allow for very much interactivity so it feels less like playing magic and more of a masturbation session.

>>54052260
tl;dr - Don't build storm, it's competitive, cheap, and instantly wins G1 against many fair strategies, but it's not fun to play for you or your opponent.

However, I will provide a counterpoint, if you build storm, once you learn your deck and all the motions, it will allow you to learn other decks more because yours is so linear you don't really need to focus on the interaction, so it is an okay deck to start playing modern with.

>>54067254
I have a turns list built up that uses extraplanar lens to ramp a turn early into your turn chains and ending with Part the Waterveil and/or Emrakul

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i'm kind of at the end of my bux that i'm willing to put into modern, have lots of staples already but really don't want to spend another ~300-400 to be able to build whatever i want... so i should get proxies? any horror stories or recommendations for best practices when using them?

>>54072504
Always double sleeve if you're using proxies, don't even try to chance it.
As long as people aren't picking up your cards and taking them out of the sleeves you'll be fine.

> mono w d&t
> bw eldrazi
> eldrazi d&t
> merfolk
> burn

what do I take this weekend?

>>54072690
Yeah, pretty much. Just play them unsleeved for a bit

Also don't be a dick and trade them to Timmy

new UN- set when?

>>54062020
>1 mana 7/7
>2 mana 3/4
Hmmm. Shadow makes goyf a bard card.

>>54072968
Is goyf is a 3/4 you're deck is shit

>>54072939
December 8th.

>>54073123
>I'll do you this playset of Mishra's Baubles for a measly $150, goy!

>>54073182
Can they just reprint this stupid thing? Why wasn't it in MM17 anyways?

Imagine it getting reprinted at rare/mythic. Hilarious.

>>54072968
You know what is weird? Deaths shadow has been around since 2010 how comes it has only gained popularity recently/last year?

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>>54073226
>Iconic masters pre release at GI JOE con 2017
>Guy opens pack 1, mythic rare shivan dragon
>pack 2 rare is royal assassin
>pack 3, this is it.
>slowly reveal the rare slot card
>sees the set symbol is slightly crimson
>artifact background
>fucking mishra's bauble

Why does everyone here complain about Death's Shadow? It's a fair, interactive deck that decimates shitter homebrews. What's not to like?

>>54073338
>1 mana 7/7
Seems fair to me.

Are you better at modern than Dana, a 6 year old girl who doesn't use a sideboard?

>>54073338

Yeah it is, but it is simply too efficient and any deck that could beat it folds to Tron. I think Thoughtsieze and Streetwraith are too blame. Also ban Urza lands.

>>54073359

They're at 6 health to do that. Using a shaky manabase. Maybe try taking advantage of the plethora of removal spells available. Abrupt decay exists if you're too stupid to play around countermagic.

>>54073432
>Abrupt decay exists if you're too stupid to play around countermagic.
Most creatures in the deck aren't legal targets. Which means Decay is bad against Death's Shadow. Which means the 1 mana 7/7 slips under the radar.

>>54073432

> GDS would even let you have it in hand

Youd have to top deck that becuase anything that would threaten the Shaodw has been removed from your hand by 8 main board 1cmc discard spells + snapcaster.

>>54073314
It made waves at the Oath PT. I came up with Zooicide watching it, but so did everyone else

>>54073338
>BGx gets Push/Decay, Lili/Thoughtseize, and Goyf/Shadow
People have been complaining that BGx gets literally all the best toys practically since the inception of the format. That's only gotten WORSE over the years.

>>54073338
>interactive
>playing fatties and thoughtsieze is somehow interactive
wew

>>54072767
merfolk is not bad right now imo

>Brewing?
Grixis Budget Death's Shadow (The stock list -4 snapcaster +4 delver)
>Playing?
UR Gifts Storm, but with a lot of locals maindecking Leyline it's not good.
>Hating?
Locals maindecking leyline
>Next Purchase?
MM3 Fetches. Still need 2 Tarn, 3 Mesa, 3 Flats and 4 Misty to complete my 40.
>FREETWIN?
No. Twin is the yardstick against which all other decks in modern should be measured. If it's on par with or stronger than twin, ban it. If it's weaker, it's fine.

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>>54074133
>grixis without snapcaster

good luck winning any games

>>54074133
So you can't afford four snaps but you can afford 12 fetches, 10 of them not even in your deck?

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>>54073756

>name off the non-interactive cards in the deck
>this makes it a non-interactive deck

Anyone have that 5 color tribal flames Deaths Shadow Zoo list that topped (?) a recent Grand Prix?

>>54074158
I already HAVE 10 of the 12 fetches the deck needs, and DESU I don't see why a deck playing 19 lands needs 12 fetches. Too many dead fetches IMO

>>54074177
>playing a land is interactive

>>54074211
>why does a deck with Death's Shadow in it need cards that hurt you
Gee anon, I wonder

>>54074241
They need cards they hurt you CONSTRUCTIVELY, not cards that let you pay 1 life for literally nothing. 10 fetches and 9 fetch targets seems less likely to give you situations of "draw fetch with no legal target" in the midgame.

>the best deck to beat face with Angel tokens in Modern is _

>>54074293
>situations of "draw fetch with no legal target" in the midgame
If you've already fetched all your lands, you have plenty of mana to cast anything in your deck.

>>54074303
UWR Geist

>>54074303
Enchantress. Really good Shadow matchup, but basically instant-scoop vs Tron.

>>54074293
I mean it grows your deaths shadow and gives you something to delve away with tasigur and gurmag angler.

>>54072939
You don't want that.
You know how awfully unfunny attempts at humor in flavor text is.

>>54043030
>>the best deck to beat face with Angel tokens in Modern is

DSJ. Deadly Sun-Titan Jund

Is the idea of Mardu Death's Shadow as dumb as it sounds?

>Push
>Bolt
>Path
>Condemn to fuck over opposing DS
>Bob to drain life and feed you more cards
>Kola Command
>Potential SB Nahiri'mrakul package

Jank, or JANK tier jank?

>>54074464
You're giving up one important thing... snapcaster

>>54074502
Doesn't stop Jund DS. Is there a reason we can't just load up on removal and win by having the only threat to stick?

>>54074464
Because you gotta snapcast those bolts, anon


I have no idea. I've stayed in my burn bubble for 4 years

>>54074464
Yeah it's dumb

You don't need a shitload of removal because you have 6-8 discard spells and your deck should have lots of cantrips to find your 4 Push and 1-2 Terminate, Dismember, etc.

Bob is too slow for DS decks and runs a high risk of actually just killing you

Your only good beaters in Mardu (other than DS) are the Tasigur/Angler, both of which benefit much more from blue cards like Thought Scour

>>54074386
There has to be a way to work in adequate hate for Tron. No way a deck that's been around that long should auto-lose to Tron.

>>54074386
Too bad. Unless you can 2 Nevermore's naming Ugin and O-stone, you are fucked.

And even then, Karn kills Nevermore and frees Ugin/O-stone...

It's a mess and just not possible.

>>54074464
Not saying it would be awful, but the best Mardu deck is probably still just Pox.

>>54074526
Thing is jund has access to tarmogoyf, abrupt decay and traverse the ulvenwald.

Of course you can try mardu deaths shadow and have some success with it but I wouldn't suggest running bob.

>>54074571
If the manabase can support 4 GQ and some number of Tec edges, you could run Surgical and some beaters like Aven Mindcensor in the SB, alongside Stony Silence. That set up works decently against Tron when I play Martyr Proc, but it will be harder for Enchantress because they can't get lucky with agressive Ascendant/Martyr draws.

>>54074717
Nevermore kindof helps but without a quick clock, it could be brutal.
Maybe a blue splash for Spreading Seas or a red splash for Blood Moon could help? Or monowhite with a lot of GQ/Edge

>>54072504

Don't use them to trade, be sure to age onslaught fetches a bit, double sleeve everything

always villa zheng or black lotus. There's a subreddit with a lot of reviews/pictures

>>54074712
>>54074539
I just want a deck that doesn't insta-die to everyone playing maindeck GY hate, and doesn't cost a kajillion dollars. Blue-based DSA has been pushed out because none of the delve cards can reliably be hardcast, and it's also making gifts storm impossible to run.

I'd make burn but no blood moon. I'd make Pox but no LotV. I'd make Zoo but no Goyf. I'd make Infect but no Hierarch. I'd play standard but the store voted to drop sanctioning it.

The fuck am I left with?

>>54074571

You cannot hate out Tron, the deck is inevitable. You are faster or you disrupt them enough for you to pull out a win. Any well built Tron deck will have ways to deal with land interaction. Best you can do is discard or couterspell, and guess which is better.

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>>54074464

I've been playing around with this in xmage

It's in no way top tier, but works well enough

>>54074717
I was thinking an interesting route to take would be to marry it to Bant Worship. Enchantment-based ramp into hexproof threats, rounded out with disruptive enchantments and Worship.

Or something along those lines. I haven't sat down and hashed out what it would look like.

>>54074853
Looks cool. Minor curiosity, why nihil spellbomb over relic of progenitus or tormod's crypt?

>>54074816
Soulsisters maybe? The most expensive card seems serra ascendant and you can run the nahiri emrakul combo if you play boros soul sisters.

Or affinity but ravagers, inkmoths and mox opals are pretty expensive.

>>54074899
Relic hits both players when you pop it, which hurts Reveler/Souls. Tormods is good but doesn't cantrip.
Nihil is a decent option in black decks that want to keep their yard.

>>54074899

Draws a card and doesn't touch my graveyard like relic does

My hand tends to go empty really fast, and any draw helps

>>54074972
>>54074960
That makes sense. Is manamorphose just A non-blue cantrip to fill the yard?

I'd need DS ($35), a few of the fetches (need anyway), and the bedlam revelers (bulk box)

This seems doable.

>>54075020

Cantrip and occasional fixing. Blood moon decks never expect it

>>54075039
>"I'll tap my non-basic mountains for red, cast manamorphose for a white and a black, path your guy, push your other guy"

Okay. I'm sold.

>>54075039
>Opening hand is 3 land and 4 Manamorphose
Nice job nigger.

>>54075020
Manamorphose is also just free. There is virtually no downside to having it, unless you don't have a 2 or more drop to cast or there is something like Rule of Law or Eidolon of Rhetoric out.

Manamorphose and Street Wraith mean the deck has 52 cards. That's pretty neat.

>>54075085
>what are mulligans?
Not every hand is a godhand retard.
I draw fists full of lands all the time playing burn.
It isn't some crazy scenario that never happens.

>>54075214
If 4 copies of Manamorphose magically made decks smaller then more people would be doing it. That deck needs some Gurmag Anglers like REAL bad famalam.

>>54075085
A statement like this can be applied to any deck.

>>54075085
>>54075214
Honestly I'd keep for the meme if I know my opponent isn't on Burn or D&T. Turn 2 you recycle your entire hand and still can lay any 2drop you got in the first 3 draws.

>>54075306
The only decks that are capable of drawing a hand full of uncertainty are decks that are digging for Bring to Light or Ad Nauseam or something. You're supposed to be playing a goodstuff deck, the fuck do you want Manamorphose for?

>>54075345

potential turn 3 reveler

>>54073401
Is she actually 6?

>>54073401
Probably not. After all, I am a burn player.

>>54075569
Do you play every single creature that you shouldn't? Because that dude was literally playing every creature he shouldn't. I saw Vexing Devils and Soulscar Mages.