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Countdown until rogue spacemarine chapters

>>54038287
you mean chaos marines? we already have those anon

Any reason not to Ynnari if I want to play DEldar but with Walkers n shit

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Reposting this from the last thread, because I liked it. To the anon who posted it, is this something original, or in the fluff?

sisters of battle
victory in faith above
blessed blood of righteous

//

with our sword and shield
the Emperor guides us far
victory or death

//

blessed be our sisters
their blood pays debts of many
blessed be our saviors

Battalion detachment:

HQ:
Vaylund Cal (200)
Chaplain (72)

Troops:
10x tac marines with plasmagun and plasma cannon (164)
10x tac marines with plasmagun and plasma cannon (164)
5x scouts with sniper rifles (75)

Elites:
Contemptor dreadnought with multimelta (167)
Apothecary (55)
5 cataphractii terminators (3 combi bolters, power sword, 2 chainfists, 2 double lightning claws, 230)

Heavy support:
Predator with twin lascannon, heavy bolters, storm bolter (174)
Deimos predator with plasma destroyer, heavy bolters (177)

Flyer:
Stormraven with twin assault cannon, typhoon launcher and hurricane bolters (307)

Outrider detachment:

Techmarine with conversion beamer and power axe (83)

Tarantula with twin heavy bolter (27)

Tarantula with twin assault cannon (45)

Tarantula with twin lascannon (60)

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>>54038272
Please dont remind me of the Boyz we lost along the way anon.... I want Wazdakka and Zogwart back something fierce

>>54038289
Rack of Rokkits just sounds too cool to be a 2 shot Rokkit

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>>54038263
I didn't have options to play iron hands back in 5th edition, but that changed. But that also changed back to not having options again.

At least I can use chronus again.

>>54038327
Not really. You can't take haemonculus covens units or mandrakes, both of which are very good, but you more than make up for it with Eldar walkers.

Imagine replacing your entire army of Boys because they released a new Ork boy model that wasn't squatting.

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>>54038363

If I just want to add one assasin to my IOM army, do I need to go the -1cp route with an auxiliary support detachment?

>>54038363
Imagine if I bashed your head in with a rock

>>54038385
No, you can add it to any of the detachments you already have if it fits in there, since all of your units probably have the Imperium Faction keyword.

>>54038342
Wrote it myself. Three separate Haiku arranged as a collective of three.

>>54038400
Thank you, battlescribe confused me.

It shouldn't affect probabilitees at all if I roll Armor/Invul saves before Toughness & Damage right?

Looking for a bit more realism in mah Swa 'n stuff

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>>54038363
>mfw GW release non gorilla-butts boys
I want to play Orks so much but the boys models are just terrible

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>>54038363
You mean like Age of Sigmar did to Ork players?

All the "orruks" in AoS got bigger, and better armored. They dwarf the shit out of original orks now.

Orruk Warboss, Orruk Nob, Orruk boy, 40k Ork Nob, 40k Ork Boy.

Nth for Red \=\ Peach

Rules question I am unsure about:

What is the exact interaction between the Act of Faith Hand of the Emperor (Move as if it were the Movement Phase) and Heavy weapons?

Can a squad...

1) HotE (only Move), stand still in Movement Phase and then fire a Heavy weapon without penalty?

2) HotE (Advance), stand still in Movement Phase and then still fire a Heavy weapon (without penalty even)?

The BRB only says about Heavy weapons: 'If a model with a Heavy weapon moved in its preceding Movement phase, you must subtract 1 from any hit rolls made when firing that weapon this turn.'

Strictly speaking the unit did not move in its preceding Movement Phase, so that clause does not apply.

The ruling is clearer on Assault weapons, there it says: 'A model with an Assault weapon can fire it even if it Advanced earlier that turn. If it does so, you must subtract 1 from any hit rolls made when firing that weapon this turn'

"Earlier this Turn" covers the AoFs as well. The question is then whether "start of your turn" already covers your Movement Phase even when you have to resolve something before making any movement.

>>54038448
>Orruk boy
Wait a minute isn't that just a Black Orc from Fantasy

>>54038435
won't work if there's any sort of rending like ability.

The size of orks are fine being all squatty.

Da smaller, runtier boyz are meant ta' be the sponges.

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>>54038362

Cool

>>54038467
Yeah, Black Orcs aren't as hard as Orruks, so they became normal boyz to them. Normal Ork Boyz are even worse.

Everyone wants to be an Orruk

>>54038452
you can fire normally because you did not move in your movement phase.

It may be FAQ'd, because who knows what the intent was there. It doesn't say anywhere when "start of turn" abilities trigger. It used to be at the start of the move phase, but it no longer specifies.

>>54038452
My take on it is that Acts of Faith occur at the start of your turn in an undefined phase that isn't the movement phase. So for heavy weapons:

You can move (but not advance) with no penalty during the act of faith, for heavy weapons.

>>54038352
Reminder we also lost Grukk. Orks literally only have Snikrot (non HQ), Ghazzy (faction leader with ancient model), Zagstrukk, Badrukk and grotsnik.
Orks have fewer named characters than tau now. It's one thing when new armies like AdMech have limited named characters, but orks are the tied oldest army in the fucking game and we have 5 fucking named characters. At least Eldar get to keep their 2nd ed sculpt phoenix lords, imagine if they were just all removed one day.

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>>54038422
Very nice stuff anon.

>>54038530
That's not how it is. All orcs are now Orruks.
From my understanding, it goes like this
>Ironjaws: Biggest and Baddest of the Orruks
>Bonesplitterz: Savage Orruks who are completely insane
>Greenskinz: Regular old Orruks

>>54038577
Was sad when Old Zogwort and Wazzdakka left, now my Grukk model is just there to look like a cool Warboss.

They at least need to give us Nazdreg or some other named Big Mek.

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Does this mean I should hold off on Primaris space sharks?

>>54038614
Maybe limit your space shark primaris to characters.

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>YFW Chenkov returns in the 8th codex

>>54038605
I was about to buy grukk to use as himself or as a standard warboss, like how I use Zhadsnark, but when they removed his rules I really began to wonder what the point was.

spoonfead me pls

If I wanted to get a case for the Dark Imperium box models, what is my best option?

>>54038603
>Greenskinz: Regular old Orruks
Which are being squatted and replaced.

Just like how old dwarf stuff became the "dispossessed" and have been replaced by steampunk kharadron overlords, and naked fyreslayers.

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>>54038614
Looks to me like he's giving it (Primaris Carcharodons) a go with that "ability to gene-forge them" line. Not that canon should stop you from a cool scheme or anything.

I too was thinking of painting a Primaris Marine or two as a Carcharodon.


anyways these Reiver guys, it's like GW is specifically tailoring things to make me specifically want to buy something, because I have an unnatural hard-on for cheesy skull masks. It's so hilarious but I love it.

>>54038645
His model really is fantastic, he's enormous

>>54038614
>via certain other contacts
carcharadons confirmed for becoming traitors

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Starting to move from 1000 to 1500 points. List feedback welcome. TRYING to avoid the conscript meme in favor of an organized regiment, but I get the feeling I'll end up taking them sooner or later.

Really, wondering if I should drop the 4th TC in favor of more infantry. Maybe even upgrade the platoon commanders to company commanders and build a third Battalion. That would leave me with 3x3 infantry platoons, the elite platoon, and a triple tank armored platoon.

>>54038236
Dang, anon, looks sick

>>54038605
>>54038577
Honestly, the loss of Grukk confuses me. It seems to me that they really pushed him as the face of Orks 7th edition, giving him a decent statline, some good-ish formations, and a focus in the campaign they did, even giving him a general release due to popular demand. Just to quietly drop him off without even a proper send-off like straight up dying like he was reported to, it just doesn't seem right. It's beguiling. Now that you've put it in the sense that Orks now have less named characters than Tau I'm even more irked.

Also still kind of mad that there's no Looted Wagon rules again.

>>54038448
Looks good. I use bloodbowl Orcs for my nobz and meganobz, no reason to use orklets.

>>54038614
Why? Sounds like they'll be getting them they're just grown in house.

>>54038736
Think they're only putting rules in for what was in the codex. Since Looted Wagons were only released as a White Dwarf exclusive so I doubt it crossed their minds to put it in.

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>>54038736
because they wanted to provide a 'baseline' ruleset. in the ork dex there will be rules for more and all you mentioned

>>54038676
Good, GW needs to put Fantasy out of its misery. It breaks my heart to see empire state troops on rounds.

Calling it now: 9th edition will remove all non-primaris marine models and statlines, upgrade all special characters to primaris and tell you to fuck off.

>>54038736
It's very likely that we'll get looted wagons in chapter approved, what else is CA there for? Some anons pointed out that they might do a GSC on them, and give out a vehicle conversion sprue and an "official" looted wagon, to maintain IP strength and prevent another chapterhouse, as GW does know the looted wagon is a fan favourite.
I'm just hoping the next ork codex is a proper big one with a big release, not just a rules patch.

>>54038798
And they still wouldn't have new sculpts for Astra Militarum baseline troopers which was the real problem of the scale of Space Marines.
>>54038777
Oh, they're releasing codexes after? Didn't know that. Like actual codexes or just Datasheets for new and returning units?

came late to other bread repeating

I'm a student with VERY little money to spend, and I need a carry case for my army 2kish dark angels, what do I get?

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>>54038777
>Aeldari first Xenos codex out

>>54038679
The leg poses are so shit though.

>>54038826
Large Toolbox

>>54038832
I'd say it's the angle, they're supposed to be striding forwards, and that always looks weird from head on.

>>54038832
I dont think its the legs so much as the Torso positioning, they look like they're twisting their entire torsos to look at something

>>54038846
Don't I need a lot of foam for that still? Here in Sweden the foam racks up to the same cost as a GW bag

>>54038826
Get like a tackle box for fishing.Or frugal jerk it with some cardboard and cotton.

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Whipped up something

>>54038777

That contradicts the other "leaker" who posted at the same time and said marine codex in August
Now what seems likelier...?

>>54038644
I would be as keen as the glorious rise of the working class

>>54038862
if you're concerned about that then Id recommend buying some foam from a craft/hardware store. Or you could buy a large tackle box, most of them have slots where you can put individuals in that are normally used for keeping lures separate

>>54038614
it literally says they are getting primaris, just not through mars

>>54038832
It's the thin legs "stripped down armor" crap.
They're still gonna be 3+, why bother.
Inb4 MV7"

>>54038862
Look up Feldherr foam. Shit's real cheap.

>>54038777
SoB getting anything.

Anon I've been waiting for something since WH. I simply can't believe that.

>>54038821
Actual codexes. Memes on 4chan aside they've stated this officially.

>>54038872
But anon, marine codex is already in that. Which seems likelier, GW waiting to push marines out in August, or releasing the Primaris Marine codex in July and pushing new models?

GW
A) push old marine dex out for shit people has
B) push exclusively new marine models + dex out for shit people don't have, like new dred and skimmer etc.

>>54038798
And people will both defend them and buy their armies all over again.

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>>54038679

Wrong picture, anon.

I'd agree with >>54038632 in that they'll probably be more limited.

>>54038771
>>54038903

I was more thinking that they're less likely to have a full army's worth and will probably have more specialist squads. I'm really digging the idea of Primaris carcharodon terminators with lightning claws.

>>54038826
Large tool/tacklebox with different sized compartments and then add a little dirt cheap foam from a hobby store or something. Done.

If you can't get foam, thin cardboard is fine. You can even just put cloth down if you must.

Friendly Reminder that due to negligence on GW's part, Skimmers without the Hovering rule cannot be assaulted as they often overhang their bases by more than an inch (and likewise cannot assault). Make sure you mount those bad boys on drone bases lads and have fun with your impenetrable skimmer wall

>>54038614
It means the author knows he will get shit canned if he says NO NEVER EVER to GWs new golden calf. GW let's them take liberties, but never at the extent of closing an avenue of profit. But don't worry, ol' Robbie will shoe horn in some bullshit "but they have SUPER SECRET SPIES on MARS" paragraph or two next book.

>>54038930
>>54038908
>>54038863
>>54038846
Thanks brothers I will look into these

>>54038946
Friendly reminder if someone tries to pull this call them an autist and exit the gaming establishment

>>54038946
>overhang their bases by more than an inch
So what? move models under them.

>>54038316

>Gulliman knows Cawl has made Primaris from all 20 Founding Chapters
>They're currently all out there fighting

When Brother Anchorus of the Ultramarines realizes the new guy he's fighting alongside has Luna Wolf geneseed things are going to break down REALLY quickly.

>>54038920
There are uses for non-primaris marines, just as there are uses for 1st ed marines. Rebase them to be standing on rocks and they would blend in near perfectly, especially if you have the primarines' heads and shoulders kitbashed. Using them as scouts or Neophytes also works perfectly well, and helps differentiate them. Or you could just stop being a bitch and proxy, and that will probably be the official recommendation, as by then they'll have renamed primaris marines to space marines.

>>54038972

Hey I'm as unhappy about it as you are friend, it means I have to disembark from my venom at its base rather than its nose like every edition prior to this one because they forgot a rule.

>>54038927
i guess it depends on how much they are paying fabius bile for them, since they are traitors anyway

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I've emailed FW for clarifications on Reneged and Heretics transports and Medusas
also on weapon options for Hellforged contemptors.

Will post response if they ever get back to me (probably in the next couple of days)

DO other people contact Gdubs for rules clarification or do you guys just post here?

>>54038946
Friendly reminder that anyone actually forbidding you from charging a skimmer because of this is by definition a person you should not play with under any circumstances.

>>54038988
>proxy
Who's the bitch now?

>>54038989

Oh man - I'm sure you really believe this is the way that was supposed to be played. What a good catch, you're so smart. Guess we'll just have to play entirely against any thing approaching common sense until we get an FAQ.

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>>54038977
>Luna Wolves
>Thousand Sons
>Word Bearers

>>54038977

Not like people in 40k know what a Luna Wolf is or what legions were traitors

>>54038977
Well, I just see this as a prime opportunity to use Exalted Sorcerer parts on my starter set Primaris marines. And, hoo boy, there's a Primaris Librarian coming. Good times.

Can't wait for my Thousand Chads to bully some Yifflets.

>>54039024
Imagine playing in a game system where shit like this happens.

Imagine a system where RAI has to exist because RAW isn't good enough.

How many other game systems need scholars to figure out the intent of the rules because they're too sloppily written to be taken at face value?

Post uncontroversial opinions. I'll start.

>Power levels > Dorkazoid points

>>54039020

Are you within 1" of the base? That's the rule friendo

>>54039057

How many of those games are popular enough to routinely have 80+ play events?

>>54039024

Of course I don't want this to happen friendalino, upon finding out I let my friends know I'll be house ruling that any skimmers have the hovering rule to avoid such situations.

>>54038977
>They're currently all out there fighting
>When Brother Anchorus of the Ultramarines realizes the new guy he's fighting alongside has Luna Wolf geneseed things are going to break down REALLY quickly.

You know they don't just mix primaris of different seed in with existing chapters yeah?

Primaris that have roboute's geneseed go to fight for the ultramarines or one of their successor chapters and etc.

Those chapters that were destroyed and excommunicated as traitors I imagine they send them to the Deathwatch - DW need primaris too after all,

>>54039061
shit tier bait famalam

>>54039061
Arguments of common sense are jogging but bitching, if there's nothing to prevent me from taking multiple Celestines then I'm taking multiple Celestines.

>>54039077

Did you know - every major tournament will do the same thing.

>>54039063
Actually no. The Raider, for example, has a rule specifically stating that you measure distances to and from the hull, not the base.

>>54039071
Warmahordes has very tightly written rules which do not need interpreting. It doesn't really have FAQs, it just has errata released now and then to change rules for balance.

>>54039057
>How many other game systems
All of them. Every single one.

>>54039071
Lord of the rings was.

>>54039091

Yeah and Mk3 was a fucking trash pile and people are fucking fleeing it.

>>54039081
Go ahead then. Buy more than one Triumvirate of the Imperium. Please do it. And post with timestamp so I can laugh at you.

Working on my crons, how does this look ?

HQ
Catacomb Command Barge – Tesla Cannon - 169pts
Cryptek - 104pts

TROOPS
x15 Warriors – 180pts
x15 Warriors – 180pts
x10 Immortals – Gauss - 170pts

ELITE
Triarch Stalker – Twin Linked Heavy Gauss Cannon - 171pts


TRANSPORTS
Ghost Ark - 170pts

FAST ATTACK
Canoptek Tomb Sentinel - 180pts

HEAVY SUPPORT
Tesseract Ark – x2 Gauss Cannons – 240pts

I'm 436pts off 2000. I don't know what to add. I'm thinking about a pair of Doomsday arks for much needed anti tank weaponry but I fear hordes too. What do you think ?

>>54039061
Mathematically wrong. Points will always be a bigger number than power for the same army, therefore the inequality sign should be the other way round.

>>54039081

Are you going to write a huge shitty letter to GW once they correct this and you've wasted money?

>>54039084

>my point exactly

Venom, Starweaver, Ravager do not have it, potentially the Cronos and Talos are missing it aswell even slim flyers like the razorwing suffer from not having it as their model has a tiny footprint on the flyer base

>>54039097
I miss 7th edition Fantasy.

>>54039113
Honestly, I wouldn't bother with immortals now, especially not gauss ones. Basic warriors just seem better for their points.

>>54039081
This is the kind of person who sets fire to, or throws into the garbage, all their models in a fit of autistic manchild rage.

Like CWC obliterating his brand new PS3 in an autistic rage.

>>54039133
the guard and eldar fliers dont have it.
My guess is that most fliers don't have it.

>>54039150

And the other models? I.e the ravager which has exactly the same hull as the Raider which has it (and the Reaper which has it, gj for once forgeworld).

>>54039123
No, I'd trade them for other things.
Think man, otherwise you'll only keep enabling shit rules written in orcish to keep existing.

>>54039078

And you trust Cawl to send them to the right Chapters? The guy who's already violated Gulliman's orders NOT to make a bunch of Primaris out of traitor legion geneseed?

It would be entirely fitting in with Cawl for him to send them out all over the place thinking "I'll show Gulliman, these guys are going to be just as loyal as the others!" Now, maybe he's exactly right and there's nothing in say, World Eater geneseed that inherently makes them more vulnerable to falling to Chaos. But if the existing chapters ever find out that Cawl has made nu-marines out of Traitor geneseed, like I said, shit will hit the fan at light speed.

>>54039139
I don't know man. S5 AP-2 is hard to argue with.
Then again, with My Will Be Done stacking with Tesla, the Gauss gun probably IS the worse alternative.

>>54038263
can a ork warboss take a cybork upgrade?

>>54039160
no excuse for the ravager. Thats clearly an oversight.

>>54039161

Why do I give a shit if autistic children need their hands held to figure things out? GW provides a solid enough rule set for things like the ITC to exist around and on so I'll continually have a environment to play my hobby.

I don't have a moral crusade against GW because they write sloppy rules - it doesn't bother me or impact me.

5th edition: Melta spam
6th and 7th edition: Grav spam
8th edition: Plasma spam

It's not actually getting better, they're not making weapons have different niches and all be good in their own ways, they're just changing which one is best. Why do people seem to think 8th ed is balanced

>>54039162
>The guy who's already violated Gulliman's orders NOT to make a bunch of Primaris out of traitor legion geneseed?

he hasn't done that yet girly man thinks he will at some point tho

>>54039113
Immortals should be tesla for mass wounds against light infantry.

>>54039139
Well, my LGS is MEQ City so I didn't really consider Tesla on them but yhea... They kinda feel underwhelming now.

Any suggestions on how to spend the spare points ?

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If guard gets a new unit, not a new model, a straight up new unit. What would it be?

Pic not related.

>>54039162
where did it say cawl actually made primaris marines from traiter legions? all i remember was him asking guerillaman and him being told no

>>54039223
plastic penal legionnaires

>>54039206
enjoy killing tanks or hordes with your plasma guns.

>>54039113
Also warrior split should be 20//10, not 15//15. 20 are foot, 10 are in ghost ark.

>>54039194

Interestingly all the eldar skimmers have the Hover tank rule which is the same as hovering. I think it's a complete oversight on all skimmers

I heard that on recent GT Flyer BA got the first place, Harlequin Ynnari got second, and Ultramarines got the third. Anybody got more specific info?

>>54039223
we dont need new units. we need a box kit to make non-standard infantry. i want my army to look like it was forced into service from 100 different worlds, from guys with the fanciest las guns, to fuedal world looking guys with feathers in their 3 muskater hats and using flint lock las rifles

>>54039223
Leman Russ Hover Tank

>>54039228
in the same place he said their gene seed was stable and they showed no signs of heightened corruptional tendencies?

the only way to test a gene seed is usually to put it in someone

>>54039206

Why are you bad? Did you take a lot of advice from 40kg?

>>54039162
>and there's nothing in say, World Eater geneseed that inherently makes them more vulnerable to falling
There isn't. History has already proven this. There are loyalist world eaters fighting in the name of the emperor RIGHT NOW.

>I'll show Gulliman

As an admech mago, Cawl is basically hyper-austic. He's not rebellious. He's logical. There is nothing to be gained by betraying Guilliman defying his order, and polluting other chapters with mixed geneseed. It's not a matter of loyalty, it's a matter of cooperation and no matter how perfect primaris may be, there's nothing cawl can do to get existing astartes to cooperate so again, he wouldn't be showing off the primaris loyalty. Primaris aren't the problem. manlet astartes rejecting primaris are the problem.

>>54039206
unless you are planning on overcharging your plasma rifles they really arent that good.

everything got so many wounds now that losing a few isnt a big deal.

>>54039223
plastic ratlings, or a catachan re-sculpt

>>54039239
Overcharged plasma with a captain nearby for rerolls does just fine against tanks.

Against hordes, unless you're in flamer range plasmaguns are the best special weapon. For heavy weapons, heavy bolters are wounding T3 models on 3+ while a plasma cannon does it on a 2+ and the plasma cannon totally blows through cover so it's not like it's much worse there either.

>>54039252

The lists are on Blood of Kittens.

>>54039113
As to your question, the Tomb Sentinel does for your army what the doomsday arks would (pop knights/landraider). For 435 you should fill in a melee screen (flayed ones, lychguard or scarabs) and more warriors.

>>54039265
Do you even speak English? Read the post

>>54039255
or that could be his data from 30k, since, you know, he is from there?

>>54039258
>He's not rebellious

Cawl Inferior says hi. If that's not heretical then I don't know what is.

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>>54039272
>Hordes
>T3
>Mfw

>>54039285
>>54039272
well im dumb. Ignore this post

Thomas Hegstrom Oakey 3rd Overall Boise Cup GT 2017
Faction: Ultramarines
Command Points: 9
Points: 1847
Battalion Detachment
Roboute Guilliman = 360
Captain Sicarius = 132
Culexus Assassin = 85


WHAT

>>54039282
me no speaky anglaisey puta

>>54039285
The 10 point difference between a heavy bolter and a plasma doesn't mean much when you have to pay for the model anyway.

A 5-man tac squad with a heavy bolter vs plasma cannon going from 75 to 86 points doesn't really matter.

>>54039184
Nope. Only 1 in 5 nobz can, and it's now identical to the painboy effect.

>>54039296
that wouldn't be true though, the thousand sons mutated like all get out

>>54039015
Anyone coming here first for rules clarification needs to reevaluate their choices

>>54039253
Do you even know how to army? That many different soldiers using different pattern non-standarized gear is a logistical nightmare. Why do you think everyone gets the same boots and hats? Your special snowflake regiment is fine for some backasswards PDF but not MUH GUARD.

Anyone else think Hunter killer missiles are a little strong? For 6 points, you get a S8 -2 d6 damage shot. One isn't that bad, but when every vehicle has one, the already strong alpha strike gets even more painful.

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is Chaos Black a primer or should I just buy some of the stuff they use for cars and such

>>54039222
If you have the models, more warriors. Basically I prefer 15 warriors to 10 immortals for about the same points.

uuuuuuuuuuuuuuh all Imperium and Xenos players are dumb smelly false-emprah worshipping RETARDS

>>54039348
One use only and heavy. I think it's about fair for 6 points.

>>54039348
it is only hitting on a 4+ or 5+ if you moved though.

>>54039297
While defying the codex astartes and imperial dogma does make you "heretical" it doesn't mean you're likely to fall to chaos.

Cawl want's to do the best he can for the imperium, even if it means casting off the shackles of technological stagnation. That is literally what primaris and bolt rifles are.

>>54039348
It's a heavy weapon and still has to hit. You get one chance,a marine vehicle on the move will miss half the time, and a lot of stuff gets a 5+ save.

>>54039332
>special snowflake regiment
yeah, because no where in the fluff has that ever happened, right?

>>54039367
>why do xenos player keep saying they'll back the imperium in the summer campaign
>it makes no sense!

>>54039202
Gw doesn't provide solid anything, why should you not hold them up to standard.
>doesn't affect you
Its the rules, they do affect you. Making your own shit up is AoS tier.

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How do i convince my playgroup to switch from 7th to 8th? They're pretty set on 7th so far and after 2 test games of 8th they were like 'no it's shit' and dismissed it instantly.

Points they have against 8th:
>dude the rules are so watered down to babby tier lmao
>but flamers, blast weapons etc are way more fun in 7th!
>wow 8th has so many niches on rules, 7th is faaaar more fledged out on this
>but vehicle placement/side armor stuff is a fun mechanic you have to blame yourself when you blow up in an instant with 3 wounds
>no the rule clusterfuck in 7th is fun anon you just don't get it it's much more depth!

I just want to move along and play 8th which felt okay so far and I dont need 2 codexes and a shitton of rule references anymore for AdMech+Skitarii

>>54039374
though I guess SM versions are probably better

>>54039356

It's not a primer. However, it's perfectly fine to use it as such on plastic. I'd use a. Proper primer on metal, though

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>>54039356
I use what I've found to be the closest thing to Chaos Black minus the $20 price. Pic related is the exact can I used to prime the underside of the Primaris dude next to it(blackshirt did a bad job at priming and missed most of the back/underside). I'll reply with a picture of the comparison.

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>>54039332
>That many different soldiers using different pattern non-standarized gear is a logistical nightmare.
Welcome to 40k and the canonical nightmare that is IG. Except, unlike what that anon said, regiments aren't mixed bumblefucks unless two devastated regiments are combined - it's usually all of one type of scrub, from the same world.

Only the Regiments of Reknown get standardized, good (comparatively) shit.

>>54039375
Just because you don't want to fall to the warp doesn't mean it can't still happen. Especially when you decide to start using it as AOL Messenger.

>>54039356
Yeah it's a primer

>>54038108

Use the best rule in the game, Counts-As some cool Admech idea and
CONVERT
O
N
V
E
R
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Seriously, it dodges the janky model problem, gives you that little drop of sweet Hobby Cred and is much cheaper.
I have 12 WIP with the spare claws and heads from my Kataphron kit as Samech Redemption Servitors, and that left me 8 spare Chaos Marauders to do whatever with once I get more parts. I am SO looking forward to when I can beat Rowboat Girlyman and his escort, the great pride of Humanity to death with a bunch of DarkMech convict scum.

>>54039397
Find a new playgroup they sound like they play high tier armies that got nerfed

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>>54039409
On the outer(left) side of the shoulder pad is the primer I used, and closer inwards, the chest/helmet, and right side of shoulder is Chaos Black. The only difference is that it's a bit less glossy than Chaos Black.

>>54039392

So I can play whatever 'better game' you play with you and your three buddies or I can play 40k and go to the LVO and play in a 200 player event and find a 16+ play ever event every weekend that I'm not in Vegas.

Hard choice.

It's a miniatures games - the rules have never been air-tight, not in 2nd, 3rd, or on. You deal with it for whatever other reason you like 40k. Fortunately now its even easier because larger groups can get together and come up with acceptable standards for organized play.

>>54039223
Half-eldar crackshots.
Ws 3+, bs 3+, s 3 t 3 w 1 a 2 ld 10

>>54039278
But the Tomb Sentinel alone is not nearly enough imo. I'm pretty lucky if I manage to one shot a rhino with it.

>>54039397

Stop playing Tau and Eldar players.

>>54039412
Just because you don't want to fall to the warp doesn't mean it can't still happen. Especially when you decide to follow the codex astartes.

It can happen to anyone. Doing tech shit doesn't make you more likely to fall. Doing unsanctioned psyker stuff, or fucking with warp energy makes you more likely to fall.

>>54039306
Read the whole list fool.
Had so much hope when I saw BA as number one!
>mfw read his list
>mfw it's some flier spam bullshit
God damn it. Just... damn it.

>>54039436
If you go to those events those rules will be used, you can't houserule it away.
If you want to houserule it it's gonna have to be with a group of friends.
Your argument defeats itself.

>>54039397
they sound like dicks
just give it a few months for the community to bleed out as more and more people switch to 8th because of positive reviews breaking their bias and new models luring people away

>>54039443
You can always take a second one, but they are IMO much better than doomsday arks.

The sentinel is meant to pop up, shoot+charge to kill vehicles, then repeat when they nove away. Doomsday arks have to sit there and hope nothing bad happens, cost more points and can't tie things up in melee.

>>54039397

What >>54039426 said. Your groin sounds like a bunch of faggots. Since 8th dropped, I have never seen more people in my lgs playing 40k, and frankly I can't even think about 7th anymore. Hell, I can't even play HH anymore because even that is shit by comparison (FW shot themselves in the foot imho).

Also, tell those faggots that if they're not going to play the current edition because "Muh babby rules lamo!! XD" then they should play a better outdated edition like 5th.

>>54039399
>>54039415
[conflicting]
>>54039409
>>54039435
alright neato, thanks anon

>>54039397
I mean, some of those are valid criticisms about the state of the game at the moment.
If 7e is one of those fancy restaurant meals that's served with too many sauces and different tastes and winds up horrible, 8e is taking that away and charging the same money for a decent plate of fish and chips. Sure, it's not bad, can be quite good if that's what you wanted, but you expect the people you paid to give more of a fuck about the everything.

I play Admech too, and I'm sufficiently ambivalent on edition change to keep on rolling just fine, but I can't help missing all the glorious flavour and nonsense we used to have, even if we needed two smallish books rather than one larger one. And before people say that Codexes will fix that, they're running an UM vs DG global campaign. Everyone else is probably stuck with index rules for a good while. 8e is probably the better game system, but it needs more meat on it to be good.

Also removing USRs was a tad strange and fucked over people like Skitarii who had lots of interlocking rules making up a lot of their value, since they obviously can't be bothered to properly recreate things when it all has to go on datasheets.

>>54039472

No it doesn't - every major tournament uses house rules. They just use more widely agreed upon house rules. No tournament plays entirely by RAW - that's why they have judges, FAQs, comp packs etc. You go to a tournament and you play by their house rules.

Sorry bro - I just don't care about your opinion. I like 40k and will continue to play it, no need for me to join your crusade against it. If you don't like the rules don't play it - if you want to recruit other people to your game of choice learn to do it by selling your game of choice, not shitting on the competition.

>>54039223
Capitol Imperialis: http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Capitol_Imperialis

Superheavy command vehicle that hands out a shitload of buffs to all nearby units. Super armored, very few guns. Just some smaller weapons like heavy bolters and such to protect against infantry up close.

>>54039505

>WarCon player detected

ehhh???


2000 - Chaos - Battalion detachment - 6 command points


[HQ] Typhus - 164

[HQ] Malignant Plaguecaster - 110

[Troop] 10x Chaos Space Marines, 2x plasma guns, plasma pistol-champ - 163

[Troop] 10x Chaos Space Marines, 2x plasma guns, plasma pistol-champ - 163

[Troop] 20x Poxwalkers - 120

[Troop] 20x Poxwalkers - 120

[Elite] 7x Plague Marines, 2x blight launchers, powerfist + plasma gun-champ - 208

[Elite] 7x Plague Marines, 2x blight launchers, powerfist+plasma gun-champ - 208

[transport] 4x Chaos Rhino, 2x combi-bolter, havok launcher - 340

[Elite] Noxious Blightbringer, plasma pistol - 80

[Fast Attack] 3x Renegade Bane Wolf, multimelta, chem cannon - 324

-----------------------------------------------------------

so another option is to replace the 3x Renegade Bane Wolves squadron with :

[Elite] 5x Renegade Ogryn Brutes, ogryn power drill - 164

[Elite] 5x Renegade Ogryn Brutes, ogryn power drill - 164

and then swap the blight launchers for plasma guns. if this is done the points are the same.

thoughts, comments, opinions?

Since I am taking non Death Guard things in the list it is not a Death Guard army...since everything has the Chaos keyword it is a Chaos army. That is why the Plague Marines are listed as elites instead of troop choices. I am pretty damned sure everything is legal because it is a Chaos army.

>>54039490
chaos black the liquid acryllic paint in a bottle is not a primer.

chaos black spray primer is, obviously, a primer. They have the same color name to tell you that they match in shade.

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>>54039426
Not even. We have an Ork player, an Necron player and a Tau player (non-bs lists which are oksy to beat) who are the most active so far. Others include IG, various Space Marines, Chaos and CSM.

>>54039447
See above, only 1 Tau player. The Ork one is another who didn't even check out 8th in a test game and just dismissed it because the Tau player is his brother and played the test game while c8nstantly bragging about what is shit now.

>>54039477
>>54039485
Usually they're pretty chill. They switched to the new BloodBowl ruleset in an instant without bragging but keep bitching about 8th.

Oh yea, I forget a thing that they hate the new cover rules and would like to keep the +X depending on where you hide ruleset. Another thrilling thing was how 25mm (old) bases are superior to 32mm (new) in CC situation where we had an hour long discussion how 8th CC is worse with the bigger models because of "you can fit more models with small bases in CC dude lmao stealth nerf!". Jesus that was annoying af.

>>54039510
I'd gladly not play a game with children that keep throwing tantrums about the rules, but they're the only ones playing.
Good thing I play Tau and can properly spank them.

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I need Sisters of Battle / Imperial Cult music.

Asides the DoW sisters music which, after a few years, has grown repetitive. Carlos Rex is nice but I need something hymn church like perhaps?

Gregorian Chants remind me to much of Marines, too.

>>54039527
Only ever tried that once for funsies, actually. Meta here is casual as hell, hence why I prefer cool rules over balance sometimes.

>>54039527
War con was fun as shit and would have remained fun as shit if they removed all the free stuff. It really required you to think about the interlocking systems of rules and made you use your army at maximum efficiency.

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>>54039541
>Ork player doesnt want to actually have a viable army

You cant fix gitz anon

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>>54039253
> i want my army to look like it was forced into service from 100 different worlds
Problem being that is entirely against how the IG works. Regiments are raised from a single world or solar system, and all of its soldiers share that background and culture together. Those regiments from that world also recruit new troops from that world. Only in the case of massive, grievous casualties while fighting along side another regiment with similar casualties does the Administratm go "Well, just combined those two together into one regiment then." Leading to mixed regiments that are often extremely subpar because of the conflictings cultures and doctrines.

Only in the rarest of rare cases do regiments mixed in this manner perform excellently.

Guys I'm redoing my Ork "Nothing but Trukks" army and I want some rule clarification

You can't attach Characters to units any more.
So when I put down my trukk with 11 Boyz, can I still put a character unit in the trukk with them?

Old example
11 Boys in a Red Trukk with a Nob, Big Shoota
With my Weirdboy attached to the unit, riding shotgun.

Could I still do this in the new rules?
It says >When you set up a transport, units can start the battle embarked within it instead of being set up separately
Units Plural, makes me think I could actually put 5 burna boys and 5 tank bustas in the same trukk

>>54039478
I like it !

I might even take a third one. I really love the model anyway.

Peach-Anon-Kun you here? Im saw your apology and Im sorry someone use my shitty models to trigger you. Is there anything in particular you want me to take a better picture of?

>>54039588
Yes, you can have as many different units in a transport as can fit without leaving any models stranded.

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>>54039541
>this whole post

Abandon ship. Now.

>>54039597
I am here, I was curious about the outfits of your actual Men. My friend plays guard and is looking for a theme

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>>54038357
>centurion assault squad

>>54039505
>I mean, some of those are valid criticisms about the state of the game at the moment.
The only valid criticism there is the lack of armor facings, but even that is an understandable if regrettable choice because of the massive amount of arguements spawned from that mechanic.

>>54039586
Tanith provides a great example to do mixed regiments though.

Divide the platoons and such up by their homeworlds where possible. With specialists/elites being only TRUE combined forces when a mission calls for it.

>>54039586
Anon pls, that may be how regiment works but an Imperial Army is made from different worlds, an infantry regiment is not going to have Leman Russes painted in their colors or an Artillery regiment having Scout Sentinels in their ranks.

You can definitely do an army that looks like it was mashed together because thats how it is in the fluff, give your Fast Attack choices a different color scheme from the Leman Russes/Artillery and have the Infantry be a different regiment altogether.

>>54039529
I like what you are doing, I have a very similar army in mind.

A couple of thoughts

>Malignant plaguecasters are not really worth it, try a Winged Daemonprince of Nurgle instead (the Daemons one, not the Heretic Astartes one)
>You commit way too much on Marines, I would cut the two CSM squads and their transports and replace them by Renegade artillery pieces or maybe a Grav Leviathan
>Power fists and plasma guns are overkill, you won't likely get swamped into melee anyway and they cost really a lot of points, consider taking more Poxwalkers instead.
>Banewolves are fluffy in this list, but the Ogryns are actually better. If you want to stick with tanks, take regular Hellounds.

>>54039632
And Cain makes another example, by splitting each squad evenly between members of the two regiments.

The Tanith are an exception though - first because they literally cannot recruit from their homeworld but also because recruiting losses isn't the same as suddenly having more than half your number being foreign soldiers trained in different doctrines with pride and confidence in their old ways over whatever your regiment would want them to do.

>>54039577
I tried to explain, but that CC argument was sprouted by him and his bro so I don't think he even realises this.

>>54039620
Sadly, they're the only playgroup from my non-GW FLGS I attend nearby. Living in a small city without a car really sucks. If there was only a way to convince them moving along.

>>54039603
Damn I can do some silly shit with this

Here's what I'll have after I get Know No Fear and a set of the dark imperium deathguard. The plaguecaster and the blightbringer don't look very good to me so I'm probably not going to use them. How should I put this up to 2000? Should I get some kind of heavy support maybe? I could use my Putrid Blightkings as posessed or terminators maybe. And the nurglings look kinda shit and I might not use them. I feel like I need some kind of anti tank.

1869 points:

Death Guard/Daemons


Battallion detachment

HQ:
Typhus
Great Unclean One

Troops:
7 plague marines (Power fist, plasmagun, blight launcher)
7 plague marines (Power fist, plasmagun, blight launcher)
3 nurglings
20 poxwalkers
30 plaguebearers

Dedicated transport
Rhino with 2 combi bolters and havoc launcher
Rhino with 2 combi bolters and havoc launcher

Outrider detachment:

Herald of Nurgle


3 Plague Drones

Foetid Blight Drone

Foetid Blight Drone

Who can I team up with Primaris marines to make up for their weaknesses?

Looking for mixed Imperium ideas

>>54039541
>an ork player who wants to stick with 7th over 8th
But why?

>>54039667
I know how the combined-arms works in 40k. A single infantry squad won't be drawn of " a hundred different worlds" no matter how you want to spin it. A given battle can infantry infantry from X regiment with armour divisions from Y and the auxillery support of Z, but that doesn't mix its rank and file. A given battle can have infantry squads from X fighting alongside infantry of Y, but that is because both of those regiments were ordered to that world together.

What you are describing is different from what >>54039253 is requesting.

>>54039709

Seriously. Just stop playing with them. They're walking cancer.

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>>54039751
>>54039667
And I meant to attach the relevant source.

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>>54039621
I'll attempt better shots when I get home again and settled but here's at least a clearer view. Fatigues are just the prime color with a mixed wash. Armor lightly thinned bastion gray, then details after that. Dirty, easy, quick.

>>54039397
Fuck those guys 8th is fun. So far ive gotten destroyed by 2 armies that horded Troops but fuck it they had fun moments and didnt take 4 hours to do a 2k match.

>>54039766

How? I keep hearing that 8th is faster, but all of our big games still take 4+ hours

>>54039162
>>54039258
and in the same conversation he explains his logic behind it, showing how they are operating at less than half of the true strenght of the space marine project, then defends his position saying it wasn't the marines or the techonolgy's fault for the treason it was the primarchs and even BTFO Guilliman, so hard he's speechless, when he says that Guilliman already committed even greater violations when he asked Cawl to manipulate the geneseed something the Emperor himself directly forbid

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>>54039739
See >>54039709 and the reason that his brother bitched about 8th non-stop while playing our first games.

>>54039758
>>54039766
Do you have any good reasons I could probably give them to switch besides the usual "but guys 8th will be the new main supported stuff"? Else I'm probably bound to suffer

Thanks so far for your support guys.

>>54039765
I would do something different with the pants. Darker shade or something. They look a bit blobby at the moment.

Arbitrary thin your paints.

>>54039730
I'd go for 20 plaguebearers, they can be summoned quite reasonably on 3 dice that way and they will gain the -1 to hit bonus on the turn they're summoned which is pretty much max use of it.

I'd consider some heavy support, should be able to afford a predator if you downscale the plaguebearers.

I'd do this in full though.

-10 plaguebearers, +instrument on them
-1 combi bolter on each rhino

If you then add a 4 lascannon predator with a combi bolter, you'll be 1999 points.

>>54039739
He isn't a waacfag and wants to play a less broken set of rules?

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I'm really considering buying a shit ton of Poxwalkers to play a zombie horde with Typhus as backup and some laspred as heavy support. Do you think it would be a viable list ? I feel like the fearless T4 cheap bodies spam can be really good. Especially coupled with the DG auras.

>>54039765
This is the sort of color scheme he is going for, Red, Black, and then some Khaki, he's having trouble finding a solid and fast scheme

>>54039799
I don't know anyone who would seriously say 7e Ork rules weren't broken in their own unique way.

>>54039799
>not wanting to play a broken piece of shit codex makes one a WAACfag
Also
>7th
>less broken than anything
How delusional can you get?

>>54039765
There are so many weird reflections in this shot I can't stand it.

>>54039796
Oh yeah, the plaguebearers have an icon and instrument already, and the drones have an instrument. Forgot to list those.

I can drop the plaguebearers down to 28 models and drop the nurglings to add that predator in and have 3 points left over.

>>54039670
thanks for the input

I was building this based off of the models i own and a couple i was going to get...but that being said I do have some of the other models you mentioned. So the Daemon Prince...why go with the chaos daemon one? I have been trying to decide which version was better and the stronger one is obviously the chaos daemon one...however it has 10 wounds so it can be targeted straight away, this has seemed rather risk to me. Is the extra wounds and better spell list worth getting shot at directly? Not trying to sound smarmy, actually I dont have enough experience to make that judgement call as of yet.

The Bane wolves being fluffy is why i wanted them lol.....but auto hitting, wounding on 2's, with a -3ap sounded amazing to me. I was putting the multimeltas on them since they cannot use that weapon worth a shit against vehicles. The hellhound seems really strong as well....maybe bane wolves if i am facing MEQ and the hellhound if i am facing GEQ?

The Leviathan is amazeballs and my buddy actually has an extra I can probably get off of him. I had thought about the grav flux bombard and then the melee. it is like 329 points...yeesh. I was unsure if running the chaos version was still as good, since it cannot do double ranged arms and has to keep one of them melee. like almost all of the chaos dreadnoughts....never liked that particular part

>>54039468
> Battalion Detachment
> Requires at least 2 HQs
> Bob (LoW), Sicarius (HQ), Culexus (Elite)
> ???

>>54039812
You don't know the ork player in my playgroup then. He says his 7th are probably far more fledged out than the 8th he got (without even reading them, he just heard).

>>54039829
Not sure icon is worth it desu.

Its cool looking but the effect is so crap and expensive.

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Hows this?

>>54039857
Do you mean fleshed out?

>>54039809
you MUST include Necrosius as 2nd HQ choice

it is NOT fluffy because the 2 hate each other...BUT...since Mortarion is coming back and leading all the DG against the Ultrmar system...they are gonna need all the help they can get.

my fluff rationalizing has been that Mortarion has commanded them to get over their squabbles and work together for the greater...plague?

Necrosius improves the Poxwalkers disgustingly resilent by 1.

also he is only 120 points

>>54039810
Well you can do dozens this way without losing your mind while at the same time fielding dozens on the table and have them look uniform. Nobody is ever going to get as close to them as that shot is. I certainly didn't paint them for high marks.

>>54039799
>less broken set of rules
Exactly how my playgroup argues so far.

>>54039819
Well, if you only played by 7th so far and liked the ruleset, you can always argue against 8th in any way. Be it watered down, less rules take away fun etc.

>>54039869
That's fair but what else would I do with the points?

>>54039784
Id mostly blame that on not knowing the rules for everything since this is a new edition. Also shooty armies can take longer than they used too because you can shoot at different targets and fall back. The first few games i played were very fast because the guy had thousand sons, but then i played against guard and we only got too turn 3 in about 3 hours.

>>54039784
We barely have to double check the book for rules
Marked the Rules Pages First and Last
No more worrying about side facing vehicles
No more deciding if someone gets cover or not since its pretty much are they all in cover or are they all partially covered.
We can probably get a 2k match down to 2 hours if we can memorize specific books better.
>>54039789
Simpler rules make the game flow easier with less stops and less rule lawyering shenanigans.

Game is as difficult as your opponent makes it>

Blast weapons slowed things down.

Yeah 7th was so fledged out that one of the main rule writers even admitted they goofed because they layered Rules on top of rules from previous additions till it all turned into a jumbled mess.

Honestly you might just have to find more people to play with they probably dont want to switch editions just because it is REALLY different. Good Luck though.

>>54039882
Yea, phone keeps on auto-correcting certain stuff. Sorry for that.

>>54039896
I think he has bought into the conscript meme so im expecting he'll have hundreds, I basically told him to hit the three primary colors, wash, then hit the small details that take a second, like the aquila, shirt colaring, etc

Hey guys World Eaters player new edition is fun, was nice to see Kharn still shit on a soul grinder, but anyone got some nice tips for a Chaos WE player? I keep getting shit on hard by lots of troops.

Once they errata the hell out of R&H do you think they'll be worth it to add some meat?
Hows the Renegade knight with double gats?

Not really looking for competitive builds just tired of getting almost tabled each game.

>>54039927
Which is exactly what I do. Works real well in an assembly line fashion. Wash > Faces > wash > gear > aquilas and red lights.

Im actually considering just using all my shitty cadians as Conscripts and using this as an excuse to run a metal regiment as Veterans.

>>54039936
You need to trim your list's unit count so you can go first. Consider bringing in durable units that can tie things up in combat after deep striking (Renegade Valk+ogryn potentially).

Can't find the points cost for Ork Boyz "Boss Nob"
Is it free or the price of a regular Nob?

>>54039949
Do you spray them black or anything first? I told him to grab a khaki spray and use that was his base and just wash it to prefrence

>>54039957
Free, dont have to pay for them anymore thank god

>>54039834
>why go with the chaos daemon one

Sure it can get focused down but that's your opponent spending ressources on something that isn't an immediate threat, like your heavy support for example. Other than that, for the same price you get more wounds, better psychic powers and the Nurgle passive ability. Still better imo.

>I was unsure if running the chaos version was still as good, since it cannot do double ranged arms and has to keep one of them melee.

Yhea, it's a pain, it's still pretty good, but that's why I was thinking maybe a battery or two of medusa siege guns. Laspreds are also solid choices this edition.

>>54039910

I have to argue cover with this one dude still because he can't grasp the concept of:

>are you in ruins and are either infantry or 50% obscured
>yes? +1 save
>no? Go fuck yourself

Like, it's baffling, and he tries to fight it. No. Your battlewagon doesn't get a cover save for being next to a building, neither do your Kans, and neither do my rhinos

>>54039897
>Well, if you only played by 7th so far and liked the ruleset, you can always argue against 8th in any way
No, you can not argue against it in "any way" the very arguement put forth that it's "less broken" is objectively wrong. There is no edition more broken than 7th. You would have to willingly ignore any info on 8th's ruleset and the fact that it lacks
>the ability to make unkillable units
>no more invisibility
>no more super friends
>no more D-spam
>no more unplayable codexes like orks
>no more broken and stupid as fuck tricks like thunder cannon stars that make absolutely no sense
>no more 400 points of free shit
And so on to even begin to make that argument.
You would have to have absolutely no knowledge of 8th and 7th to claim that 8th is more broken, and if you know fuck all about them then you shouldn't be comparing them

>>54039985
Nice.
Redoing my lists is taking longer than I thought it would

>>54039985
That Ruddy red IS my primer just washed to preference. Vehicles and larger units I'll hit with a gray coat before the red but Guardsmen just get the one.

You shouldn't just be able to walk away from close combat. If you're fighting a gun line army and you finally manage to get a charge off only to have the enemy unit walk away on your opponents turn allowing him to unload his guns on you again is kinda shitty.

At this point I'm asking myself if it's worth while to even attempt to fight gun line armies with a mostly melee army.

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>>54040012
So many points changes, im a dirty mongrel and using Battlescribe, used to know all the points values by heart too

>>54040019
Nice, ill try to convince him, problem is his mom loves painting and she keeps trying out different styles of those three colors i mentioned so they all look slightly different and he's waiting for her to decide on an easy one and then teach him it

>>54040030
Pretty sure if you hit a true gunline army with a real assault army the units should insta-die, get wiped by morale, or you're doing it wrong

>>54040030
>surround his shit so he can't fall back
>learn to position properly when you charge so you can pile-in/consolidate into multiple units at once so he has less things able to shoot after he falls back

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Anyone got a rapier who's up for measuring the dimensions?

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>Tyberos Aura gives +1S and reroll misses
>have no way to reliably charge with S5 lightning claw terminators
>mfw

>>54039998
Trying arguing with this Daemon player
"were not using points and i didnt add in the full extra 10 Horrors so we'll call their summoning an even 8"
"I didnt add in the blues and brimstones when i bought the unit so when a pink dies they'll still spawn because they aren't being added to the unit"
Its like dude the rules EXACTLY say how this goes. Its not even WAAC anymore.

>>54039889
OH SHIT, I totally forgot about this guy.

i'll convert him from the Plaguecaster model from the starter box.

Also, rule question : He buffs <The Tainted> units around him. Can I make my whole army <The Tainted> even if it includes Chaos Daemons and/or Renegade units ?

>>54040030

what army are you playing

>>54039765
Those Ogryns actually look neat. I thought the meme was RGG couldn't paint for shit? Why is he giving advice?

>>54039789

How long have they been playing 7th, anon?

If it's been a while, you might be able to wait it out until the get edition fatigue.

If you get any new members, MAKE ABSOLUTELY SURE you take them aside and give them all the 8th games they can handle. Be accommodating and friendly.

If the other players don't look like they're gonna get bored with 7th in the next couple years, then I guess pray they release some sick-ass units that have no easily convertible typeset for 7th.

Worse comes to worst, I guess you can wait till things stagnate and collapse so you can reform the local scene.


Or move.

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So FW isn't going to be allowed in tournaments?

Makes sense as to why they didn't care about the rules they were writing

>>54040110

>GW had plenty of test and perpetration time
>FW had 2 weeks notice

>>54040110
So far it's currently allowed by ITC but every TO can make their own call and I would expect to see it banned in many places.

>>54040066

Land raider or Spartan if you have two knights

>>54040158
I'm already playing out the ass for terminators. Paying more than they cost to deliver them sounds retarded.

>>54040049
What's battlescribe?

Just finished going through one of my 1000 point lists
Shooty Ork list, because why not
It went from being 1000 points to 1009
Big Mek costs so much more now points wise, from 35 to 55, but the shokk attack gun is down 5 points and less silly.
Free nob means Boyz cost less, Big shoota and Rokkit launchers are up in points by 1 and 2.

This 1000 point list also has a power rating of 60, is that good or bad?

>>54039623
36 bolter shots
6d6 flamer hits
10 drill attacks in melee
Apothecary brings them back if they die

Learn to play

Need some advice on a Tyranids list I'd want to play, have my first game of 8th in a week.

1 HQ
-Flyrant, Monstrous Rending Claws + Deathspitter SM

3 Troops
-10 Termagants
-10 Termagants, Devourer
-3 Warriors, Boneswords + Deathspitters

1 Elite
-3 Hive Guards

3 Heavy Support
-2 Carnifexes, 2x ScyTal + Bioplasma
-Exocrine
-Trygon Prime


The Devilgaunts come with the Trygon.

Any advice?

>>54040110
We say no to FW at our store. It's been a lot of fun saying no to people bringing their unbalanced garbage for years.

So has anyone else noticed that in the indexes just before the points costs it says that in matched play under strength units do not pay points for the members they are missing?

Specifically in matched play.

GW is fucking retarded.

how are the chapter specific veichles in 8e?

baal pred, nephilim jetfighter, wolfboat?

>>54040094
CSM's

Like, how could I build my lists to deal with gunline armies exactly? Most of my army is blown off the table by turn three and when I do manage some charges the unit is really weak at that point since I lost so many models from it or the next turn he walks his unit away and unloads again.

>>54040216
>years
I feel bad for the people that want to field squiggoth and the like that are just fun to have on the table
Space marine or ork fan club?

>>54040214
Post points. Also what Detachments are you even using??

>>54040049
The only problem is getting there you have to take a couple rounds of shooting. Then my opponent screens his good shooting units with blobs of cheap fodder only to walk them away and shoot my units freely again.

I'm just not sure how exactly to get around that.

Full armies of 1 man units, sharing transports for easy deployment, maximum firepower efficiency and half a billion command points. Also forces overkill on almost every model.

>>54040246
Post us a list and give me an example of the kind of armies you're facing

Two things with pic related:

What the fuck is with that Volkite Charger? Why is it HEAVY? Chargers are an assault weapon. Also, it lost the explosion part that made Volkite volkite. Why would I use it over a combi-bolter?

The grenade harness is AP1

Any recommendations for 40k "mob" civilians?

Maybe 100-ish? Doesn't have to look to modern. I have a sudden desire to have 2 squads of conscripts maxed out, with priests. Throw them at the enemy. Don't even bother firing the lasguns.

>>54040277
Yeah okay good luck fitting that into 3 Detachments.

>>54040254
Not a Marine player because I'm not a basic bitch, nor am I an Ork player because I'm not a door mat that laughs when I lose.

>>54040185
It's a phone app that's a bit clunky to use at first but it's nice to get a general outline of a list then I usually try and write it on paper just in case points are messed up on the app

I have no idea about power ratings at all, I dismiss them desu

And please dont mention the Shokk Attack Gun im still in mourning for its loss

>>54040275
When a unit disengages from combat they cant shoot, but I understand what you're saying. It sounds like you need something to either get them closer faster, or a "distraction carnifex"

>>54040091
unclear...Necrosius belong to the Apostles of Contagion, a Death Guard successor chapter. I thought maybe the might have changed his fluff so that the name was changed to The Tainted. But then when you find Mamon later in the book (a named Nurgle Daemon Prince) he also has The Tainted keyword. He does not have the Heretic Astartest keyword...meaning he is a Chaos Daemon, Daemon Prince and not a Heretic Astartes Daemon Prince. Since he is not a Heretic Astartes but still has the Tainted keyword that means that The Tainted is indeed not the name of <Legion>.

Long story short....I have no idea if the Tainted is something that FW will release an army list for in the future...as in The Tainted armies may include....blah blah blah. If that is the case then they will most likely contain plague marines and plaguebearers......kinda like a Nurgle version of the old school Khorne Daemonkin.

Of course they didnt spell it out in the book because they fucked so many times in these indexes.

>>54040056
In centimeters

Length 5,5
Width 4
Height 2,5

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>>54040216
>Being hyper anal about your toys

>>54040305
Smells like taudar to me.

>>54040214
>>54040257

1200pts, Patrol Detachment

>>54040257
It's gotta be spearhead

>>54040316
if when actual codex come out it might get its rules back.
Hope my friend!
Hope!

>>54040216

Is that a hard STORE policy, or a soft "none of our players agree to matches using FW" agreement....

Cause the later is what everyone ought to do according to their tastes, while the former is just as autistic as hard WAACfaggotry

>>54040330
Patrol only has two heavy support available

>>54040220
Yeah, but you only get to do that if the unit that is understrength contains all your models of that variety, and it is the only such unit you field.

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>>54040334
For the sake of my 3, 4th on the way, SAGs I hope so

>>54040305
So you're the only Deldar player in a sea of marine players

>>54040235
someone here seemed to think the wolfboat was overpriced/10, haven't really bothered to look myself

>>54040359
Shokk attack bike, never ran it but it seems fun on paper.

Probably shit in game, especially with the new heavy rules and lack of relentless for bikes.

>>54040353


Oh, you're right.

It seems I can use a Spearhead Detachment though and get +1 CP

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>>54040277
No.

>>54040216
i always hate waacfags who deny FW matches, you guys are NoFun

If I wanted to model in the garden would it be cool?

No good place to do it in the house. Dunno about issues with air or openness or whatever.

>>54040330
1200 is a weird limit, also you only get 2 Heavy Support in Patrol.

Take a Spearhead as >>54040332 says, you get +1 Command Point.

Your list feels really light on troops to me. If you don't have any other models to work with, then my suggestion is to combine the termagants into one unit so the fleshborer ones can absorb some Wounds for the devilgaunts. Also assuming the Warriors are supposed to be staying in the backline to babysit the Exocrine, I think you can drop the boneswords from them. Use the extra points to put adrenal glands on your trygon and hive tyrant.

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should I take this list? or the other I am about to post?

>>54040346
One of those things where no one out right says it, but no one brings FW because they won't get a game.
>>54040394
The opposite really. Our games are more fun for everyone because we don't use FW or super heavies.

>>54040394
>denying FW
>WAACfag
Pick precisely one (1).

>>54040381
The new rules make it super shit I think

Old rules it was hilarious, my guard friend was scared shitless of it even though it almost never did much

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>>54040056
Base is 2" front to back, slightly under 1.5 side to side. Top of tracks is almost exactly 1" front to back. It's about 1.1"s tall

May I ask what you're planning?

>>54040407
how does denying my spanna boyz or kriegers make your games more fun?

>>54040407
>>54040410

found the waacfags

if you guys want to jerk each other off in the corner and be MLG, by all means have fun. But we'll be over here with our colossal dinosaurs fighting each other and having fun,

>>54039876
What app did you use to make this??

>>54040388
If you only own one scout marine and one tactical marine, you can put one unit of the scout marine type and one unit of the tactical marine type into your army.

>>54040437
>>54040420
>trying this hard to pretend OP garbage is fun
I'm so glad we turn away people like you.

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>>54040403
I think this may be better, but what do you think? any improvements I can make?

>>54040437
>he thinks WAACfags would ever say no to the broken OP forgeworld toys with shoddily written rules that can be easily abused

>>54040445
Sure, but you can't include any more scout or tac marine units in your army.

>>54040447
>>54040454
>OP garbage
>Forgeworld

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>>54040417
Well it no longer has the chance of killing your own guys, which is good.

But the random stuff did add a sense of danger to such a powerful gun.

Just glad mine managed to summon a vortex of doom just before it got changed.

>>54040461
Are you fucking retarded, son, or have you not read the indexes yet?

Even people who normally allowed FW in 7th at my store are talking about banning it this edition.

>>54040447
you realize the most OP models last edition were all gw models, right?

>>54040483
You realize it's not last edition anymore and that shit is utterly inconsequential to the present moment, right?

>>54040482
if by OP you mean overpriced, you are 100% correct

>>54040482
Damn dude ill start running my Renegades then. With my non character Commander and Enforcer. Or my transports who can't transport things.

Rules question for /tg/.

Say I have to roll 20 saves for my 10-man unit. 5 of them are in cover and 5 of them are not.

Can I roll the saves for the dudes outside of cover until they die and then start rolling for the dudes in cover or do I simply have to roll them all at once as if they were not in cover?

Does the same apply if I'm taking 7 shots from one gun, then 3 from another, and then 10 from a final weapon?

Anyone here tried painting commissioning?

How expensive is it?

How good was the result?

>>54040482
yes cause overcosted and underpowered units are gonna wreck your stupid meta, you WAACfag.

Has anyone ever seen or have a picture of an actually decent Squiggoth/Gargantuan Squiggoth. I want to get some going for my feral Ork army at some point

>>54040493
the indexes have been out like 5 days, its a bit fucking early to be arbitrarily banning shit because it "looks" op

>>54040482

No one who understands how to properly evaluate units is considering that. Very few of the FW units are better than Index options, hell few of them are even reasonably good.

>>54040498
Rolling multiple dice is only a convenience thing. You treat them all as if they were individual.

So you'd have to roll till 5 die then you can take all the rest easily.

>>54040498
Nope none of them get cover save. Check the recent FAQ in OP post.

>>54040477
Mine did it twice, once back in the 4e codex on a vehicle, 2nd time in the 7th ed codex, it annihilated a terminator squad that had just Deep Struck in behind me

>>54040456
Just pick one of the detachments you're not using as your primary army. With the magic of Imperium, your Space Marines can now field auxiliary detachments looking like:

Company Commander x1, Command Squad Squad Veteran x1, Guardsman x1, Special Weapons Guardsman x1, Heavy Weapons Team x1, Veteran x1, Conscript x1, Rough Rider x1, Tempestus Scion x1, Ogryn x1, Ratling x1 to make nine CP in around fifty points.

>>54040498
Can allocate the wounds to the guys in cover, letting you get the cover save.

>>54040498
>Can I roll the saves for the dudes outside of cover until they die and then start rolling for the dudes in cover
Yes.

>Does the same apply if
It always applies.

As far as the rules are concerned, every single weapon shot is resolved one at a time. You roll to hit, then to wound, then allocate the wound, then roll saves, then roll damage. Then move onto the next shot.

You can speed this process up whenever it won't impact the game by rolling in batches, but nothing in the rules allows anyone to roll things in batches when it would mess with the outcome.