/40kg/ Warhammer 40k General

First for sisters are fucking stupid

>>54025393
First for SoB Plastics

Reminder to ignore >>54021034 who thinks girls with guns are trannies

fourth for xenos
SoB players are sobbers

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>REMINDER TO ALL MARINELETS PLAYERS
BTFO

First for Peach /=/ Red

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>>54025393
Excellent. By Faith will we fight, and by Fire will the shitposters be baptized. For the Emperor!

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>>54025443
For the Emperor!

how should hive tyrants be equipped? Beside swarmlord, of course

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>>54025424
>>54025429
Shit.

Anyways on-topic discussion now.

I have 20 Seraphim. Should I run them in 4 squads of 5, or 2 squads of 9 each (rip: extra superiors)

>>54025356 #
What >>54025376 # said.
T1, infiltrator Stealth Suits move further into position, advancing if necessary. At the end of their move, place homing beacon. At the end of your movement phase, DS your fusion unit wholly within 6" of homing beacon, which can break the normal 9" from enemies limitation, allowing melta T1.

Welcome to Mont'ka.

>>54025441
ive been gone for a few days, whats with this autistic peach posting?

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I have a confession.

I am yet to play a game of 8th edition.

>>54025465
Don't forget you can also use the homing beacon to deep strike within 1 inch of enemy units, which while not always useful, does let you engage an enemy without having to deal with overwatch.

I just glued together a marine out of spare bits but he's on a 25mm base, is this a problem?

Nth for Generic List Builder executable with 40k "mod" like Chapter Master when?

>>54025489
Anon. I'd be happy to play a game with you via Table Top sim or something. Say, 500-point learners game. Maybe this Saturday morning?

>>54025439
>5'11"
>6'2"

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>>54025393
Rate how long you would survive against this tau list.
Assume Missile pods are CIB because builder is down.

>>54025494
only because he's not a Primaris Marine and therefore tiny and insignificant

>t. Someone who wants to play marines but doesn't know what to get now.

>>54025490
A weird but legit result of the rules as written. Would be more useful if we had something worthwhile to drop with it. I suppose that's one way to get Farsight in melee quickly. If they give FSE more melee toys, that could be really potent.

>>54025489

You are genuinely missing out. I have enjoyed my games of 8th so far.

>>54025439
Don't you guys expect a lot of marinelet players to go part Primaris part marinelet? What would they be then? Average players? Skinnyfats?

>>54025463
First is how many points do you have to spare for them, do you have more effective models such as dominions that you could make room for, and what their role is in your army?

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Fuck, it's pretty hard to make a boyz vs toyz decision for GK since everything costs so damn much, but here's what I've got so far. I was considering either double Autocannon or 1 las-1 auto on the Dread.

Any suggesstions?

>>54025525
Just plain faggots

>>54025516
Add dynamic basing, IE: some rocks and shit for him to stand on. Fixes this unless the models are side-by-side face-on eye-level.

Is there a Mega trove of Black Library stuff anywhere?

>>54025494

25mm bases are still legal for space marines, they just aren't given out in the boxes anymore. Technically the rules say to use what base came with the model, and since your model didn't come in a box with a base, 25mm is a valid choice.

>>54025513

Would win against/10.

>>54025526
Namely, I'm trying to sort out the models I already have. Assume points limit infinite. Assume list is shit because I can't find any heavy weapons to buy. Just trying to figure best way to run the models I own.

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R8 H8 and MasturB8

>>54025546
Yea? Post the army list then faggot

>>54025441
The fuck are you talking about?

>>54025489
Same here anon. I just started, after not playing since 4th, having sold all my shit, and only have 500 points of Admech.

Too scared to go to shops, even though Im massive grognard, and none of my friends are reliable for games.

>>54025550
Way too few models.

>>54025556

>Farseer
>Yvraine
>Troupe Master - Embrace

>11x Guardians - Shruiken Cannon
>5x Harlequins - 5x Embrace
>5x Kabalite Warriors - Blaster
>5x Kabalite Warriors - Blaster
>5x Wraithguard - D-Scythes

>Wave Serpent - Shruiken Cannon, Twin Shruiken Cannon, Vectored Engines
>Wave Serpent - Shruiken Cannon, Twin Bright Lance, Crystal Targeting Matrix, Spirit Stones
>Star Weaver
>Venom - 2x Splinter Cannon
>Venom - 2x Splinter Cannon

>Ravager - 3x Dark Lance
>Hemlock Wraithfighter

>5x Shining Spears

>>54025550

You'll find terminator spam is going to leave you with some pretty light shooting ability as GK

>>54025548
I think the best use for Seraphim generally are as a screening unit for Celestine. Because of that, I would probably run 1 unit of 9, and 2 units of 5. The 9 pal around with Celestine, and the 2 units of 5 deep strike into cover to hopefully melt something the next turn (because sadly, you can't shoot any special pistols after deep striking with seraphim. You deep strike 9 inches away, and all of their good weapons have a 6 inch range).

>>54025528
Also, losing relentless on the termies made psycannons REALLY unappealing.

>>54025530

THE WORST KIND OF FAGGOT

>>54025550
Swap the babycarriers and action figures plane with dreadnoughts and you're fine

>>54025441

Bro you need to be a certified color-ologist with at least 200 hours of lab experience creating completely new shades on the color spectrum before you can talk about what is or isn't peach. That's USUALLY how it works around here!

>>54025573
You do understand how the game is played right?
Your poor list wouldn't survive more than 3 rounds against superior tau firepower.

>>54025606
my sides are orbit adjacent

>>54025513

shittide/10

>>54025606
What memery is this. Explain yourself

>>54025617

Think what you like - I have so many -1 or -2 to be hit vehicles that I'll cut your firepower in half.

You do realize that there are only 2 units in that list that don't have a -1 to be hit right? I'm not really worried about your hitting on 5s army - you're just a more expensive Ork.

>>54025580
RIP on the pistols didn't even think of that.

I like your idea. I could cut up one of my spare superiors, as I have one, and give her pistols or some such and have 10/5/5

Thanks for the help.

Yeah my list will be mostly ship. I have 80-90 bolter sisters, 10ish storm bolers, 6 ish flamers, 2 meltas, 1 multimelta, 2 immolators, 1 rhino, an exorcist on order, and 20 repentia coming in the mail. Also an Avenger.

TLDR: I'm not going to be winning any tournaments. If I find serious need for AT, I'll bring in AM HWT... but was hoping to do a pure list of Sisters.

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>TFW the terminators on the right can no longer legally be Thousand Sons thanks to the new rules

Oh sure GW, any more of my carefully converted models you'd like to take a shit on ?

>>54025513

I mean you're handicapped because you play Tau but that's a fucking awful list. Anything fast and fighty or hell fast and shooty will take you apart.

It's like that Facebook shit about the striped dress being black or blue all over again.

>>54025655

why not just use them as normal scarab terminators?

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>>54025654
I would definitely consider buying some dominions when you can. They're incredible, maybe the best unit in the index.

>>54025655

CSM got cataphract now?

I have the same problem, I have squads that are mixed suits or even models with mixed parts and I don't have enough models to field them as any specific squad. Some of their wargear is locked to specific suits too but may be on the wrong suit or not enough guys to field them, e.g. Assault Cannon Tartaros guys.

>>54025441
Doesn't look THAT bad

>>54025668
A U T I S M
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>>54025668
Maybe because they quite obviously are holding combi-melta's, which SO don't have, and only one has something that could pass for a powersword, which SO have.

>>54025655
>these are scarab termies
>ok, sounds good
i dont see the real issue here

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>>54025393
Is there any way to access the 8th edition list builder through Internet Archive or other means? I don't want the dream to die man.

What kind of problems would I run into playing this?

Dark Angels 1994/2000
Vanguard Detachment-
Asmodai
Deathwing Ancient w/THSS
Deathwing Apothecary
Deathwing Knights x5 w/Watcher in the Dark
Deathwing Champion

Air Wing Detachment-
Caestus Assault Ram
Fire Raptor Gunship
Dark Talon
2x Nephilim Jetfighter

>>54025513
>ion accelerator
>riptides
>3 broadsides in one squad
>HRR
fucking kek this list made me laugh, half your army is suboptimal/bad choices
also your detachment is illegal as you only have 1 hq

>>54025675
>dominions
Aren't those just regular sister models with special weapons? I could easily field those. I just don't have tons of Melta... but I still find my storm bolters being amazing. Especially with the acts of faith giving me fucking rapid fire 8 at half range.

>>54025690
>>54025693
QED

>>54025678
It's a good thing they didn't, otherwise everyone would've just agreed and we wouldn't have hilarious maymays.

Even the church meme came from an actually really good airbrushed paintjob.

>>54025509
sadly I do not have that program... yet

>>54025675
Follow up question: Immolators. Should I turn my Rhino into a 3rd (I do have the bits, just not the windscreens or bits to make them all the same.)

Also I've been running MM, should I consider Heavy Flamers?

>>54025742
It's currently $9.99 on steam.

>>54025739
Enlighten me on the church meme? irony of that sentence is not lost on me

>>54025739
Mind explaining what this current meme and church members are?

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>>54025726
Yeah, pretty much. The thing about them is that they make your mechanized units crazy fast.

>>54025743
Consider turning your rhino into a repressor (forgeworld index). It's not too hard a conversion IIRC.

>>54025777
I might make a kit for it... but my store tends to shun on FW conversions unless you own the actual resin. No more sale so...I'm SOL for now.

>>54025655
>LITTLE BOY YOU WANT SOME CANDY?

>>54025752
not him, but whats the name of it, i searched table top on steam and came up nothing

>>54025489
it's a shame my dude, I've only been able to play one because of class and work

>>54025830
nevermind i think i see it, im dumb and spelled wrong

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>>54025830
Tabletop Simulator.

Here's a subreddit with some resources you'll need.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TTSWarhammer40k/

Looking at the FW Indexes, can I take Death Korps stuff along with my non-DK guard?
The DK Chimera is the main thing I'm looking at. It specifies that it can transport AM infantry and Ogryns so I'm assuming I can take it just like any other Chimera or am I wrong?

I can see that certain units like the Marshal specifies that he can only order DK units so I'm guessing if I can take it, it just doesn't get the bonuses from being a DK unit.

>>54025847
thanks anon

>>54025862
WAACFAG AHOY!

>>54025902
>Person asks honest question
>Receives screeching

>>54025902
multilasers are worse than heavy bolters vs everything in the game and cost more, tons of guard players are gonna be changing chimera turrets.

>>54025528
>>54025584
Anyone?

>>54025862
You can take literally any imperium units in the same detachment.

But it might be a little weird fluff wise.

>>54025862
Yes, the Death Korp rules are permissive. These units may be from the Death Guard, and if they are, they gain these rules, or have some limitations.

Contrast something like the Ynnari, which explicitly sets army wide limitations, and you can see the kind of language that would prevent you from doing what you want to do.

Contrast

>>54025439
so weird that we had Bolter rifles and now we have Bolter rifle Rifles

>>54025675
>>54025777
7 storm bolters, 6 flamers, 2 meltas

In theory I could cut the bolters off the sisters aiming it off to the side and replace with plastic Meltas if I should have more. What's best Dominions set up these days?

>>54025939
Bro I shelved my GK because of this edition :/ unless some one starts talking shit to me with demons, they are just gonna look pretty.

It's a better list than the anon who spammed flachions

peraonally I like to run halberds myself

But my signature move is 10 purifiers Crowe and a banner in a land raider crusader, jump out and nuke the place

Transports are awesome now

Also I wonder if dreaknights with teleports Flanders will be better now

RIP instant death Psilencers, you will be missed
I once one shotted a riptide with em in 7th

>>54025998
when did you have bolter rifles before? they were just bolters

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>>54026016
If you can get a repressor, I love 4 flamers or melta, but all of their options are good. The repressor can move 36+2d6 inches in the first turn thanks to Celestine, Dominions, and Acts of Faith, allowing you to first turn melta/flamer something.

>>54026092
Supressor can make acts of faith? Other sisters vehicle units can't.

>>54025489
Same anon; I live in the middle of nowhere and am still building/painting my dudes.

>>54026099
ah yes, the guy who has sources. i too, have sources

>>54026099
Do we have any idea how codices are dropping? It seems like it won't be possible to have a balanced match between someone who does and someone who does not have their codex.

>>54026110
The Act of Faith Celestine gives you can be used on any Adepta Soritas unit.

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What the hell is up with these guard crew ?

>>54026099
Poor RGG

>>54026141
i think we are just going to have to suck it up and wait for our codex's. i feel sorry for the ork/SoB/necron players who will be getting theirs last

>>54025777
Why does the sister have a slaanesh tattoo?

>>54026182
>I feel sorry for Ork players
SoB and maybe Necrons I can understand, but Orks will be fine.

What are some dos and donts to making a thematic/fluffy carcharodons list?

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>>54026145
I should add this is probably going to get an FAQ clarifying, but I'm not sure what direction they'll go on it.

>>54026189
That's the pitch page for a comic the author never ended up finishing. I don't know why she has a slaanesh tatoo, but I think the story was going to be one of redemption.

repostan:
I plan on taking 2 Devastator squads and was wondering if it would be best to make them 2hb+2lcx2 or just 4hb+4lc. I wanted to split them up to prevent them from being singled out and murdered outright as if they wanted to counter one weapon type they had to deal with 2 separate units. Any thoughts?

>>54026099
>squandering 40k to shill Age of Sigmar

>>54026145
The model still needs to have the Act of Faith rule to be able to do it.

>>54026163
They're space marines apparently.

>>54026225
Now that you can split fire any time you want, you don't lose any firepower to divide up the weapons like that. And you're right, it means they can't kill all your anti-armor or anti-infantry weapons in one burst of shooting

>>54026225
Yeah It seems a good idea nowadays. Also gives you better board coverage so its harder for an opponent to put something out of the line of fire.

>>54025948
>>54025966
That's awesome. Being able to take things like autocannon Chimeras, sniper teams and drop sentinels makes me a happy person.

>>54026223
>chaos
>redemption
Yeah, no. That's AoS stupid.

>>54025757
>>54025755
Anyone?

>>54025575
>>54025566
>>54025600
I've got smite spam and psycannons for extra firepower.

>>54026227
Maybe they'll finally toss Death players a bone.

>>54026278
it was a knight with a broken building under its legs, and some /tg/ guys gave him shit, they were just fooling around, but guy with knight flipped out

>>54026298
Interesting. How about the other batch of autism?

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>>54026228
The FAQ could go either way, but RAW, right now you don't.

>>54026247
>>54026269
Thanks, I am still very new and am just trying to understand/develop some tactics.

>>54026293
They'll toss a tomb kings treatment.

>>54026099
Lmfao

This guys source is his gaping asshole

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>>54026163
It is good day to be giant man!

>>54026099

That directly contradicts the other so called "leaker" who said August Space Marines

>>54026286
No anon, you don't understand.
Flyers and babycarriers look like shit.

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Would it be worthwhile to buy a Hades breaching drill? Or is it still shit? I know a guy who was trying to sell one but I don't know if I should make an offer.

>>54026099
You picked the wrong leak.
The other one was pretty much confirmed and provided dates.

>>54026286
Neither of those things make up for low model count. Both are better versus larger targets and are pretty inefficient versus the massed infantry meta of early 8e.

>>54025862
>I can see that certain units like the Marshal specifies that he can only order DK units so I'm guessing if I can take it, it just doesn't get the bonuses from being a DK unit.

This is exactly how it works when it comes to sub-sub-sub-factions like IG regiments. As long as you're all Imperials or IG you can mix.

>>54026286

Yeah except PAGKs do the exact same amount of shooting but for half the cost. With the storm bolter buff you really want some strike squads or interceptors now.

>>54026359
>>54026397
What was the other prediction?

>>54026397
>pretty much confirmed
>by a 4chan poster
its just as much BS as the other one is

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Hey so.
"Red Guard Guy" here.
I just got back from a trip to my local GW and was going to ask about Sentinels but...


What the actual fuck did I miss?

>>54026397

It also had what everyone expected, Space Marines codex almost first

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>>54026099

>Thousand Sons getting two updates in less than a year
>Chaos in general getting updates/new kits at all
>Sisters getting updates ever
>mfw

>>54026427
Release dates for primaris and dg

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>>54025393
Totally work safe for some future use.

>>54025693
Who cares? They look great. If your opponent won't let you use them he's probably a faggot who'd be no fun to play against anyway.

>>54026427

People were talking shit about your paintjob because one of your buddies kept posting them for no reason and other people were defending it with the typical "let's see your stuff then" or "it's not even bad". Shitstorm ensues.

>>54026460
Bring back the tits!

>>54026423

See >>54024487

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>>54026475
But my paintjob IS shit

I intentionally made my main color primer based so I could just wash the fatigues and do 80+ various Guardsmen without losing my mind.

Th-thank you whoever defended it?

>>54026427
some guy is going to call your paint color peach. just an fyi

So manticores just don't have crew? Or is it another typo, since they don't have autofire?

>>54026501
>>54026423
>>54026359
>>54026397

Let's see.

Focus on fixing existing majorly played / recently released factions / majorly worked on army.

Or focus on more marines right after a major marine release.

I'd say the prior makes sense but GW loves their marines so...

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To the anon that was asking for pics last thread, it's all coming up cheetah shitposter.

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>>54026507
But it's not
Does he/she/ziz not have eyes?

>>54026092
Vehicles can't AOF and you can only use 1 AOF per unit in a turn

Just use them to double tap retributors like a normal person.

>>54026554
he must be some dude you beat pretty bad, because he was trying real hard to get other people to pick up the peach thing. that or its some ex-gf of yours. who are kidding though, its the first one

>>54026522
Anon, GW is held afloat by SM sales. You seriously think they could release a primaris codex without gaining a lot of friction in terms of continuity with marinelets players? The least they can do is release a book with chapter tactics and stuff before squatting the marinelets.

Been interested in getting into 40k for a few weeks, I know a new edition just came out. Should I get Dark Imperium and learn from there (with the added benefit of having 2 sets of soldiers so that my friend can try it out with me), or should I just pick up a rulebook and start on an army I like? So far I'm liking the look of Tau and Space Wolves but I don't wanna get too invested until I know if I like it or not.

Is there a difference between blanks and pariahs?

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>>54026568
There's no rule that says vehicles can't Act of Faith, and this only involves one act of faith per unit per turn. 1 for Celestine, and 1 for the Repressor as a result of Celestine's special rule.

>>54026591
Downloads for all the rules are in the OP. Grab a friend and some random tokens (coins work well) and try a couple test games. If you like it, grab the Dark Imperium box if you and your friend like the units inside. Otherwise, grab an appropriate Start Collecting box. (Tau SC box is a great value)

>>54025645
>What are markerlights
>Battlesuit commander army buffs
Yea, I'm not concerned at all. I've got the shots, the damage and more than enough stuff on the field.

>>54025725
Good god finally someone notices

>>54026619
Blanks still exist.

>>54026506
Defended it as "table quality" and "preferable to an unpainted army" mind you, but you seem to be aware of whats what anyway. I'd much rather have lots of guys pained to table standard than one squad painted to eavy metal standard. Maybe I'm a bad wargamer because of that.

>>54026619

Pariahs are fucking necrons?

>>54026620
>There's no rule that says vehicles can't Act of Faith
Are you retarded. Vehicles don't have Act of Faith.

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>>54026554
Did you literally just spray your models with rustoleum red primer and call it a day?

>>54026591

Get the army you like. Hopefully they have a Start Collecting box. If you pick Space Wolves the models in Dark Imperium are technically Space Wolf models, just minus all the wolf shit.

>>54026585
Dude if I ever dated someone who shitpost on /tg/ they wouldn't be an ex gf.
They'd be an ex wife

>>54026507

If he doesn't want people to think his models are peach instead of red maybe he should put churches on the base to provide perspective.

>>54026547
show us some WIP you tease

>>54026662
But the rule states CAN use an act of faith. Meaning that everything has the ability to use them, just if they can or can not. Which the rules do not state they can't.

>>54026673
>>54026626
cheers lads. I never even thought of playing with tokens, looking forward to giving it a shot

>>54026658
Nah lore pariahs are like blanks but they make psykers uneasy? Bequin in the Eisenhorn books was one, but those books are ancient by fluff drift standards.

>>54026669
No.
Autobody Master
Hit 30 Guardsmen with it, paint all the faces, Nuln Oil the fatigues and Agrax the face, then Bastion Gray the armor and lasguns before hitting them with Nuln Oil and fine details. Tada! An army to apparently shitpost over!

>>54026422
Interceptors are obscene now.

>>54026721
Wrong. Vehicles can't use Act of Faith because they don't have the special rule. Any RAW abuse bullshit you're trying to pull to avoid this will be FAQ'd very very soon, just like the fact that Celestine is technically not a one per army unique character because of a typo but if you try to run multiple Celestines in a real game your opponents will laugh at you and play with someone who isn't a faggot.

>>54026745
(Not to mention multiple celestines isn't actually a good idea)

>>54026735

They're essentially vanguard veterans with jump packs who also have sternguard shooting against MEQs for nearly the same price.

Grey Knight meta has changed but its strong if you have the PAGK for it.

>>54026735
how so?

>>54026041
>they were just bolters
idk, maybe I've heard/read long ago and/or it got mixed up with other info in my head. a likely probability

>>54026728
Np! Hope it goes well!

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>>54026669
He obviously didn't stop there but now Im angry that he made red primer look so good. It's so fucking obvious in hindsight.

Is my FW resin supposed to smell like petroleum? Has a similar smell to plastic cement, I think that's a petroleum smell anyway.

I've already washed the pieces and they still smell.

>>54026730
Pretty sure pariah is just another name for blank. All blanks make people uncomfortable and hurt psykers nearby.

>>54026762
Free redeploy 1/game.

No limit on range.
Honestly considering turning all my GKSS into 'Cepts.

>>54026126
I AM a source, whether I'm right or wrong is open for discussion

So are Inceptors decent for casual games? I want to pick up 6 Inceptors, a Primaris Librarian (when its released) and a unit of Primarines as a small detatchment to add to other Imperial detatchments. Is this worth?

>>54026776
>red

That's maroon, you sandwich-eating hillbilly.

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>>54026745
No. Sisters have 3 ways to do acts of faith. One is the once per turn freebie given to units with acts of faith. One is the special rule for Celestine that uses any adepta soritas unit, and one is the imagifier, which uses Order units. Each defines what units can perform the act of faith, and each has separate definitions.

Right now it's not imbalanced, and it makes sense that celestine's act of faith is powerful enough to move tanks. I can see it getting faq'd either way.

>>54026781
Pariahs are not the same as blanks, they're a type of blank created by Necrons. Just like Sisters of Silence are a specific military unit of blanks trained by the Imperium, but not synonymous. Not all blanks are SoS, not all blanks are Pariahs, but Pariahs and SoS are both blanks.

>>54026781
Pariahs used to be the weaponized form of blanks, weaponized by necrons.

Now they're maybe possibly reconned into nonexistence. They haven't apeared in the Necron codex as a unit since 3rd, but nothing has explicitly said they don't exist anymore in the background somewhere.

>>54026789

Inceptors are too expensive, just take 3.

>>54026790
P E A C H
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>>54026781
Were psychic pariahs made up before Necron ones or was Dan Abnet obtuse on purpose?

>>54026813
Canonically they were known as Pariahs in the Imperium because of how people treated them, due to their terrible constinance

>>54026802
they exist in lore I believe. Crypteks are always whipping up wacky shit.

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>>54026699
Give it time.
But what base size do these guys use, GW's site doesn't say.

>>54026785
That's great but they're still just super expensive space marines though.

>>54026800
Necron Pariahs were blanks, but they were also engineered to be the next stage of Necron evolution. Their blankness was not their defining trait IRC

>>54026833
stealth suits? Same as terminators. 32mm i think?

>>54026778
I dunno m8 but i think it's made from petroleum by-products

>>54026833
25mm irc

>>54026833
Back in 5th mine came with 25mm

>>54026396
Why are the veterans BS 4+

>>54026836
Didn't they still have people memories?

>>54026732
To be fair, this isn't far off from how I paint my Steel Confessors
> Prime them in Rustoleum 'Chrome' Primer
> Wash the whole model in Drakenhof Nightshade
> Wash the whole model in Guilliman Blue
> Drybrush with Ironbreaker
> Highlight with Stormhost Silver

Except now I have an airbrush, so I can now paint my steel confessors almost 100x faster
> Prime silver
> Load up the washes *directly* into the airbrush
> Airbrush 100 dudes at a time
> Blast some silver across the model.

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>>54026900
Forgot a picture

>>54026886
Nah they were kinda like wraithguard in that they were meant to be vessels for Necron consciesness or something? I don't remember how it worked exactly. I think they were a result of the Necrons trying to engineer organic bodies for themselves or they were the result of them trying to engineer better terminator bodies? Someone who remembers better should probably be answering this question

>>54026881
haha, christ they are bad. Shame krieg engineers can't take one of these.

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>>54026789
inceptors are great for quick lower level leader kills but too expensive to make a mainstay addition. Take 3 and some primarines, oh actually check out the new set

>>54026833
Was 25, now 32.

question, some dick in our playgroup says you can't charge windriders from the front because I can't be within 1" from its base.

He showed me the new rule that says measurements are always from the base not the model.

I always thought it was from the model? In this case, the nose of the jetbike. This same dick tho measured his shooting from the nose. What gives? Should I punch him in the face next time I see him?

>>54026850
>>54026874
>>54026856
Some different answers, but I should have no problems mounting these in 25mm?

>>54025862
You can. As long as you can clearly mark differences, size is compatible and you aren't skirting around obvious RAI, then you should be fine.

I do this kind of thing all the time. I use "Catachan" on paper for some units, but it's just so I can use my count as Harker and Straken for their buffs. My own fluff and models using another regiment's tag for rules. I'm going to be using Death Riders too, in addition to Rough Riders, just different models to obviously indicate which is which.

Some people get really upset by that. They want to use official regiments and color schemes and models and think mixing regiments is tacky. I think it can seem out of place unless you're making them all one custom regiment. So instead of some units being Catachan and some being DKoK and some being Elysian, I would say my whole army is "Thicc Bois" in terms of fluff and they specialize in riders, melee combat and dropping in from the air. They just happen to have 3 different regiment's rules to represent that on the table.

>>54026952
You're only allowed to measure from and to the base. You also can easily be within 1'' from its base, IDK what he's pulling out of his ass.

>>54026952
Make sure nobody plays with that fag.

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>>54026952
Even if he was correct couldn't you just turn your models sideways during the charge and have your windriders tokyo drift into combat?

What's the difference between pask and a normal tank commander in this edition? is it just the extra order and +1 BS or am i missing something?

>>54026591
>So far I'm liking the look of Tau and Space Wolves but I don't wanna get too invested until I know if I like it or not.

Just pick an army you like the lore and look of. You will spend hundreds of hours painting them so its very important they're appealing to you.

>>54027060
He gets 2 orders, BS2+ and can give orders to other Tank Commanders.

He only costs 10 points more than a Tank Commander. There's no reason to not take him. Then again, there's no reason to ever take normal Russes, Tank Commander Russes are the only ones worth it.

>>54027014

I was the one charging the jetbikes. My roll only allowed me to charge from the front. The guy insists that my charge failed since my model (a flayed one) isnt within 1" of his jet bike.

>>54026591
You'll probably pick Tau anyway. Everyone likes giant robot suits and gun lines.

>>54026934
That's pretty neat! Any word on pricing? I didn't want to buy Dark Imperium since I wasn't sure if I shift the nurgle at half price of the box, they all seem to go at slightly lower on ebay than the Marines. I found a seller online that sells individual squads from Dark Imperium at around 12 Europe Bucks a piece. 12 euro for 3 Inceptors and 12 again for 5 Primaris Marines seemed like a good deal to me.

>>54027087
He was correct in that instance, but incorrect about the gun-measuring. ALL distance measures are made base-to-base, with the exception of some aircraft IIRC.

>>54027099

They said on warhammer community less than half the cost of Dark Imperium, so presumably about $80

>>54027087
This is retarded. Models in 40k don't have "arcs" or "facing" they are 360 degree blobs as far as the rules are concerned so you should have turned the jetbikes sideways and measured from the base.

>>54027111
What if a model has 2 bases? Which do you measure from, or does it matter?

>>54027121
(Not that some flyers do actually care about facing for movement purposes, but Windriders are not among them)

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So, with the release of the AM FW Index, are Renegades and Heretics still any good? I haven't been able to get my hands on the Index quite yet.

Can anyone tell me what the difference is between greenstuff, brownstuff,and greystuff, and when I would use them?

The only experience I have is with greenstuff filling in holes and gaps in models.

>>54027149
>Renegades and Heretics still any good
No they were absolutely gutted.

>>54027155
different curetime and hardness

99% of the time greenstuff will be all you need

>>54027087
If you can't get within 1 inch of the base because the bike is in the way, tell him to take it off the stand.

>>54027142
Im Flyer agnostic. Nobody in my playgroup has any and were all 3rd edition grognards who have never bothered with them. If I ever play with someone who has flyers I'm fucked

>>54027155

I think brown is harder and sands better. Or that might be grey. They're all pretty much the same shit other than sandability.

>>54027149
I really like that picture. It gives me this sort of vibe that they are buddies and also crazy and evil, but still having a blast. WOOO I LIVE FOR THIS SHIT.

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How does this General catch all list for guard look?

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4 Orders a turn on 300 conscripts. Seems legit.

>>54027170
Aw shit. I just opened the MEGA file and im kinda POed right now. Guess ill just use Chaos Marines with R&H allies for my Dark Mechanicus army.

>>54027220
>no conscripts
Shit/10.

>>54027180
Eh, you're probably fine.
Flyers like Valkyries and Fighta-Bommers are pretty much identical to regular units, except they can only be charged by other flyers, and ranged attacks are at -1 to hit.

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4 Orders a Turn, 300 conscripts. Thoughts?

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>>54025393
>Licking the barrel of an active flamethrower

>>54027255
>>54027242
so original, so cunning, 10/10

>>54027252
I only own about enough regular guardsmen for a a singular 50 conscript squad. Plus I much prefer smaller squads spread out along the table.

>>54027242
>>54027255
fuck offffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

please

Can someone post the rule where a roll of 1 always fails? I need pic

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>>54027278
Horde meta, get used to it fag.

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So there are some old Space Marines I want to sell off, and they are painted really poorly from way back when.
Some guy at the FLGS said he'd be willing to pay $90 for it (Half off each: $40 for the Captain/Tac/Dread=equivalent of a start collection box, $40 for the Assault Marines=two boxes is about $80, and an extra $10 for the other tactical squad due to it being an older sculpt.)
Does this seem reasonable? Could I get a better price somewhere else? Honestly this seems like it might be the best deal I can get.
http://imgur.com/a/1n9n3

Someone red pill me on FW demos corsairs

>>54027352
>meta
>meta in my plastic men wargame
>meta in my plastic men wargame for kids
>meta in my plastic men wargame for kids that is most enjoyable when playing with friends
>meta in my plastic men wargame for kids that is most enjoyable when palying with friends who are bros about what they play

I've played other games competitively in my life, but I never understood the desire to be competitive at 40k. It's like trying to be competitive at Monopoly. Its great that you got your strats mapped out, but most people aren't playing for that so where is the satisfaction in the win?

>>54027410
It's not for kids, that's for sure

>>54026900
>>54026920
Raptors anon get out

You ruined muh special chapter

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>>54027405
Sure.

>>54027410
It's mostly people who either:
Cannot play anything without it becoming competitive and then throw dice/models when their optimized mathhammer army loses to the RNG of dice rolls regardless of the numbers.
OR
Kids who grew up on Xbox live and cannot have fun without screaming about fucking someone's mother and just general shit talking total strangers.

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>>54027410
>those greentexts
Yes fag, meta. Get used to it.
They did it before and they will do it again.

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>>54027293

>>54027441
then explain why you're here.
Nice.

But for real, it kind of is? I mean, they've done a good job courting the older fans back with un-shitting the game but it's also been simplified to a point where if you want to break it, you can, but the fun isn't really there when its so obvious on how to do it and most poeple are just playing for fun with their favourite models. It's the equivalent of being the kid that has "an everything proof" shield in the playground. Its like fuck kid, you figured out how to "win" at pretend. That's not why everyone else is playing.

t. a very old and very jaded 40k fan

>>54027462
Wut, I don't see how actually playing them has ruined the chapter for another person.

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Would anyone mind if I ran a few games with my plastic Cadian guardsmen using the Krieger list?

I just want to see how it changes up the playstyle. Lack of some special units and vehicles in exchange for stronger melee. Might be fun.

>>54027483
If someone does have a problem with you testing out rules with easily represented stand ins they're a faggot anyway.

>>54027476
>get used to it
I'm used to playing with people who like to have a good time. Half the players 8th brought in around here are people who were jaded with Warhammer formation bullshit and 7th Formations bullshit.

I'm sorry you can't enjoy the game in any way other than by throwing your ugly 200 conscript army at unsuspecting, and unwilling, players. That's your mental ilness not mine

>>54027521
This.

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>>54027352
>mfw I started collecting Orks in 7th ed for fluff and modelling and then hordes become meta so people start accusing me of being a WAACfag

>>54027521
>it's just a game bro
The mentally ill one here is you.

>>54027536
Never worry. I've always had a gas playing against orks and will continue to do so. Player attitude is 90% of it for me anyway regardless of how the army runs.

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>>54027536
iktf Orkbreh
Nids here since 5th, can't wait for people to cry about WAAC despite having codicies written by He-who-shall-not-be-named-in-polite-company

>>54027536
My brother, I began in late 4th and bought a ton of boyz because it was easier to convince my dad to get me a $25 box of 11 guys over blowing $35 for a trukk. I just madsacred all the time.

>>54027536
I had the same problem when playing Tau when they were the biggest dick in the meta. Depending on you and who you play with conscessions can usually be made to balance shit yourself. Against strangers I think the trick is to just not be a dick about how dumb your Flavour of The Edition army is.

>>54027547
[Insecure manchild detected]

>>54027547
>my warGAME is more than just a game

no John, you are the deamons.

>>54027565
*got massacred
Fuck me I'm tired.

>>54027577
>>54027579
>he doesn't play to win
I'd be the demons if slaneesh had a start collecting force.

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>>54027255
>50 conscripts
>22D3 S9 AP-5 D2 shots from my Leviathan.

>>54027594
>he doesn't play to win
Sure I do just not at all costs. Sucks the fun right out of the game for both players if there is no back and forth. Close call games are 600% more enjoyable than tabling my opponent by turn 3.
I actually enjoy PLAYING the game with themed armies and interesting scenarios not building around the new meta and effectively netdecking for the next tournament. You know, how the guys who make the game intended it to be.

>>54027594
>he plays to win at the cost of enjoyment/using his favourite models

Wining at all costs in 40k is barely wining at all. Where's the fun in outmatching your opponent with a clearly retarted army list. Even if your mastery of Conscript-Fu is somehow an indication of your skill at the game, surely your incredible talent is wasted playing regular people just trying to have a good time who don't WAACFAG all day long? So what did you really get out of your 200 conscript army list except for the ire of anyone you play who isn't as obsessed as you, and a tiny sense of smug satisfaction that they're not as good as you at placing 200 guys on the table and rolling 600 dice.

>>54027648
Define at all costs.
Because I won't be a douche to my opponent over measuring perfectly, badger him over rules or minutia, but I will try my damndest to kill all of his shit in the most damaging way possible.

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I have a question about the hive guards shockcannons. How do they work exactly? Do the mortal wounds only happen when those wound are unsaved? What if the target has high toughness and you wound them only on a 5+, would wound rolls of 4 cause a mortal wound but no normal wound?

>>54027679
>in the most damaging way possible
That right there is called "being a dick"

>>54027679
If the sole reason you play the game is just so you can beat guys at the game and build your armies around that instead of a theme or lore standpoint.

>>54027700
RAW, it's any time you get a 4+ on a wound roll. Trying to RAI it any other way is near impossible, so go with that until FAQ.

>>54027678
>Where's the fun in outmatching your opponent with a clearly retarted army list
Outmaching your opponent with a clearly retarded army list.
It's better if he also has one of those.

>>54027716
If I wanted theme or lore I'd play a good game.
I play 40k because that's all everyone else plays and at least it's not AoS.

>>54027700
>Roll to wound
>4+ = unsaveable wound + normal wound
>6+ D3 unsaveable wounds + normal wound

>>54027536
That's my life with Tyranids right now, too.
Sort of feels good, until the autistic screeching starts about how my army is too strong.
Not like I'm fielding 300 Genestealers or something.

>>54027743
And there you are: a WAACfag

>>54026276

That's literally the fluff of Penitent Engines. The ones piloting them are heretics who have renounced Chaos and seem redemption. Of course, the Imperium can't forgive them so the only way they can atone is through death.

>>54027711
Not that anon, but there is a difference between "playing to win" and "win at all costs." The key being "at all costs."

Being a faggot and trying shit like that Jetbike guy earlier in the thread, THAT's "at all costs." Sure, you could make an argument for it I guess, but making an argument in the first place over something that doesn't really matter is WAAC.

Whereas optimizing a list and trying to use tactics to their fullest to succeed is fine. It's a wargame, after all, unless you're doing something super narrative (which is fine too) the objective of the game is to try and win and have exciting times testing each other's skill.

>>54027679
I think every game is only fun if both people are trying their best to win. When it stops being fun or "at all costs" is when one player plays a tactic that makes the game for the other player not fun. Outside of a tournament setting with big prizes there is no reason to play an obviosuly un-fun list against someone other than being an ass.

Now, if you friends Enjoy palying against your conscript list and finding ways around it then whatever, more power to you, but it is basic logic that 99% of people will take one look at that shit and "politely refuse to play" their way out of there. I think what everoyne is getting buttblasted about in the thread, including me, is people who imediately pick the least fun, most efficient way to win and only play that because "that's how you win bro" which feels inconsiderate at best and downright sociopathic at worst to anyone with any empathy or respect to other players.

Never mind the many other ways to enjoy the game like scenario play, fluff armies, Kill Team etc. But thats nither here nor there.

>>54027743
Go ask around at your local flgs, there might be a warmachine night going on. Seems right up your alley.

Not that there's anything wrong with Warmahordes, it's just a different approach to wargaming

>>54027769
>he doesn't know the fun of massed infantry butchering one another
I miss Fantasy.

>>54027768
This.

>>54026460

That's some Moon Over June facial expressions going there.

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Aside from Cypher or femmarine which will bring nerd-rage, what will I be able to use this model as on tabletop? SoB hq?

>>54027768
I understand that, but the implication behind "in the most damaging way possible" makes it seem like he was the kind of kid who would kick over the other kid's sand castles for the sadistic mirth of it. There was a better way to phrase the sentence is all.

>>54027717
>>54027754
Oh that makes them actually pretty amazing. Thank you for the clarification.

>>54027768
>>54027769
>>54027743


There is another argument to be made for what kind of game people expect to play. 40k is many things to many people.

To most people, the base line, it works like this: I will assemble 1k + points of models I like, try to use them to my best ability and try to win with what I have. When two of these people meet everyone has a good time.

A WAAC players view of the game is: I will read the rules to a point of scholarship, find the best and lowest effort tactic to win and use that tactic as much as possible to win until a counter is found. When two of these people meet results vary, but usually they have a good time.

The problem arises is when the two types of player, who essentially play different games, meet. But WAACfriends are in the minority so their way of play is seen as "degenerate" by most. And the fact that the hobby is casual, easily breakable and really just as much about the aesthetics and the "your dudes" as it is about the rules just makes it even more egregious to regular players when they meet someone who takes the game Super seriously.

Live and let live etc. But honestly, fuck people who think their way to play is the best way. And fuck your 200 conscripts because to me that's not fun, and that's not what the game is for me. faggots

>>54027803
That isn't what he said at all. He is saying that what isn't fun is running 70% of a guys army off the board in one turn just because all of your daemons cause fear in a casual pickup game.

>>54027825
>impregnable
For what purpose.

>>54027220
>mortars
>grenade launchers
Pretty mediocre weapons senpai. Rank fire lasguns probably do more damage.

As for the Lemans, I'd take Pask, and then triple up on punishers with HB's. With him Take It Down!ing the other two they can kill about 30 GEQ per turn, and with morale being what it is, they'll clear blobs pretty quick.

>>54027845
>it's all about me
Faggot.

>>54027825
SOB HQ. Comissar maybe? Inquisitor for sure.

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https://gavthorpe.co.uk/2017/06/26/the-origins-of-the-tau/

Word of a God proof: eldars are the weeb race, not t'au. Now apologize.

>>54027865
>too mad to understand what I'm reading.
Its ok WAACboy, you stay frothy and ass hurt, Ill stay enjoying my wargames.

>>54027825
Just run as Cypher, nerd rage is always funny.

>>54027845
To be fair WAACfags are a minority because Warhammer is a bad system for competitive play precisely because the hobby and narrative are given focus over balance and the fact the game is easily broken. That and it is reliant on dice rolls.

If people want to be competitive with their skill they should play chess.

>>54027874
Who says they aren't both weeb races ?

>>54027874
I would rather listen to Chambers or even Kelly than him.

>>54027877
>I'll sit in my corner with my Lego
Good, stay there.

>>54027767
No it isn't.

"Penitent Engines are willingly controlled by a repentant sinner or Heretic whose sins, which may be real, accused, or even just imagined, are so terrible that any other form of punishment is considered too lenient."

>>54027474
Not that anon, but I had a friend who would throw models. Not even when he lost, just when they died without doing what he wanted. It didn't help that he would deepstrike melt troops behind my demolished 100% of the time, even if I had it nearly backed into a board edge or terrain. It was so unpleasant to be around.

>>54027886
>warhammer is a bad system for competitive play

That's really the crux of it. After all is said and done I think that's where most of the outrage at WAACfags comes from. It's like "alright, you beat me at this game that is really easy to break. You're great. Now fucking what?"

>>54027825

A Seraphim sans Jump Pack or an Inquisitor might work, although I fully support >>54027880 since nerd rage IS hilarious.

>>54027894
>my corner
You're in the minority dumbass. You stay in your corner with the WAAC circle jerk

>>54027915
For reference, here's two core concepts that MUST BE PRESENT for a game to truly be considered competitive.
> Completely nonexistent randomization(You win ONLY by your skill, not RNG)
> Near perfect game balance, or at least within a decently sizable meta.
> It must have full support for tournament circuits, usually with a league system that accounts for players relative skills, and pairs up lower skill players with other lower skilled players.

Starcraft is a competitive RTS, and it follows all three of the above conditions. It has near-perfect game balance, such that all three of it's factions are perfectly viable in competitive. It has NO RANDOMIZATION WHAT-SO-EVER. So that you only have to blame your own skills for losing, not the RNG. And it also has an automated league that only pairs up players with others of the same skill set.

Here's where 40k fails as a competitive game
> Gameplay is inherently centered around an RNG system.
> Game balance is completely nonexistent. A tiny handful of factions occupy a niche that is several tiers above all other factions, while a similar handul of factions are so bad that they're completely unplayable.
> No league system exists. High-level players are free to fucking stomp anyone they please, including the newbs.

The fact that waacfaggots even try to pretend this game is competitive are fucking laughable. It's pure autism.

>>54027609
>>50 conscripts
>>22D3 S9 AP-5 D2 shots from my Leviathan.
?

>>54027977
>Completely nonexistent randomization(You win ONLY by your skill, not RNG)

This is debatable. The amount of control you have over RNGesus is significant though.

>>54027958
>minority
You're just loud.

honestly i don't know who's worse

waacfags or NIMWGfags

>>54027915
Literally why we only announced tournaments by word of mouth at my LGS. The 20 some odd regulars run fluff/themed armies many of which have 2nd ed or RT minis. Tourneys are an easy way to get everyone at the store together to play on one day and come up with wacky missions. Used to post it on facebook until three guys from the nearby city started showing up. Then the fun fell out quick.
Formation spam.
Constant rules arguing.
Getting upset that we weren't using the bland book missions.
Complaints over too much terrain.
Loudly bitching when dice did not roll in their favor and literally throwing them.

I'm not sure what their issue was but they said they came just to practice for tournaments. The only other game I used to play that had these people also has a major competitive following so my only assumption is competitive personalities are the cause.

>>54027977
I would argue you could have a highly competitive game with minor RNG. There are plenty of card games for example like Netrunner or L5R that are highly competitive and have/had thriving tournament scenes while also being relatively balanced. Fuck man, even Warmachine, while broken to a point, can be played reasonably competatively.

I'd say RNG is on provided a designer can provide balance with RNG in mind. RNG in competitive games needs to test risk management/decision making on the fly.

The problem with 40k is that the powergap between things even before RNG is introduced is so wide that you don't need to be fucking Sun Zu to figure it out.

>>54027862
>Rank fire lasguns probably do more damage
really? what special weapons should i be taking for my guard then?

How the fuck am I supposed yo deal with tyranids considering they essentially have an army wide -1 to hit? Malenthropes are actually just retarded.

>>54028020
plas and melta on vets or scions

>>54028020
Plasma is literally 2 points more than a grenade launcher. Plasma should always be your answer unless you absolutely need multiwound, then go Melta.

Not sure about HWTs, I don't use them personally.

>>54028027
Same way we used to fight bugs:
Flamers and overwhelming directed fire.

>>54028020
Plasma. It's all about the plasma.

>>54028027
>>54028043
This. -1 to hit doesnt matter when you don't roll to hit.

Now let me cry in my corner because AdMech have no flamers except for Castelans

>>54028027
Close combat, especially with vehicles like dreads. Nids are fast but they are NOT the best at assault.

>>54027994
Yes, you can mitigate the level of RNG by doing things that put it in your favour. Such as layering buffs on top of each other that make dice more reliable.

But it's outright impossible to eliminate the randomness. Even if you do everything absolutely perfect, and fuckup nothing with your strategic decisions. Your army could be perfectly tailored to hard-counter everything in your opponent's army, and you can STILL LOSE THE GAME, purely because of how the RNG might not favour you. That's inherently noncompetitive.

I used to play zerg competitively in starcraft 2, and even got up to a high-diamond rank. So coming from that kind of background gives me some perspective. What kind of competitive game would it be if my zerglings had to roll literal dice to see whether or not they could kill marines? What if I went to a tournament, and I did everything flawlessly. My build timings was flawless to the nanosecond, my macro was 100% on point for 100% of the game, and my micro was done to a masterful degree. And yet the RNG decided that I lost anyway.

I don't play 40k competitively for this very reason. I've played this game for 6 years now, solely to have fun with my friends and get a couple of good laughs over epic duels between badass characters.

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>Returning from 3E
>I bought into IG because I love their tanks
>Buy some regular infantry to fill the gaps
>Started playing again come 8E
>List is usually 2-3 Russes, 1-2 Basilisks, a splash of infantry.
>Battle Buddy runs Chaos against me
>My shooting phase melts his army
>Quits before turn 2
>Runs Tyranids against me
>My shooting phase melts his army
>Quits before turn 2
>Says my guard are OP, his army sucks
>Says game isn't fair
>Says my list must be wrong
>We check it together, I had 1249pts to his 1250ish.

I just want to have fun with my dudes. I don't even care if I win or lose, but every time my shooting phase gets halfway through a Monstrous Creature or tank he just goes "I'm done" and starts packing up his stuff. Is this normal in Warhammer? I hardly even want to go to the store in case I get forfeit games there too. I haven't even gotten to use a strategem yet because he quits too fast. The last game he quit as soon as my Callidus rolled well on her polymorphine and came in right next to his Zoanthropes.

I can provide what lists I remember if anyone wants more details. Just kinda down about the whole affair.

>>54028061
>what are toxin sacs

>>54028057
Well they're not characters, so you can aim for them first with long range fire. Just pray for good rolls.

>>54028053
>>54028038
>>54028030
>all my kriegers are carrying flamers or gls
Just fuck my shit up.

>>54028038
Giving the safe-mode on all imperial plasma was just stupid call. Maybe if the safe mode was heavy 1 and max mode rapid fire + stat boosts.

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So I've never bought off ebay before but there is some cheap forgeworld stuff by some chinese seller. They are overwhelmingly positively rated but I just wanted to get a second opinion (seller is "laura hook" if anybody knows)

I know its probably counterfeit/recast but they look fine on the photos and are like half the price of buying it on forgeworld

>>54028001
Gonna have to go with WAACfags.

Casuals typically don't show up at a tournament expecting casual armies and thematic play and will avoid them unless they just want to do it for the experience.

WAACfags however will show up with triple Riptide Wings for a casual pickup game then taunt the other guy for declining to play.

>>54028069
Your buddy is a pussy. Tell him people on the internet said so, because Nids are just as good as IG this edition. He's retarded if he loses before turn 2 consistently.

>>54028065
Both MtG and Poker are competitive games that has inbuilt randomness in them and yet top players manage to consistently place high on tournaments and circuits.

>>54028073
Malanthropes are characters.

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>>54028027
Hellhounds. Lots and lots of Hellhounds.

>>54027977
You need at least a little bit of RNG, otherwise people will calculate which is the most efficient way to win and repeat that every single time. Which can get boring fast.

>>54028069
Its a sad byproduct of particularly shooty armies. My Tau had the same problem before I sold them and moved to something more evenhanded. Try playing scenarios that reward getting up close and personal, or with lots of line of sight obscuring terrain so that your IG have to move around to get a clear shot. Objectives + Terrain tend to change the game a lot for shooty armies. Much more so than for ones that want to be at mid range.

maybe your friend is just bad at the game? Quitting in a huff isn't a very nice thing to do

>>54028070
Well if I'm reading this document the doc gave me I guess mine is.

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>>54028073
Malanthropes are characters, and they can make use of the rule because they're less than 10 wounds.

>>54028093
Because the RNG is somewhat controlled and risk assessment is part of the games strategy. That is not the case for Warhammer. The RNG is a slapped on layer over the strategy and tactics and cannot be as easily controlled.

>>54028073
I have 3 transuranic arquebusses. If that doesn't kill them ,I just take my stuff off the board before the nid tide sweeps over me.

Hoards have always been an issue, since the 3rd edition Warbuggy Ork assaults. Usually a change in objective or terrain helps a lot.

xv9 hazard suits in FW seem decent. You can take a unit of 3, deep strike them with homing beacon support for 6d3 (average 12) melta shots.

>>54028135
Well the -1 is only against models within range, not units. Gotta love the quality work of forgeworld.

>>54028120
You mean how 7th went? The only thing that RNG did was create funny rage moments. It did not change the make-up of the competitive lists.

>>54028073
they have been characters for as long as they had rules

>>54028082
I got some excellent recasts off of ebay from a Russian lad. I'd say go for it if the price is that low

>>54028122
I've tried! I don't use the ranked fire order, I play Vets with shotguns in a Chimera, I play a close combat Inquisitor and a Callidus Assassin, my tanks roll up to shield the infantry. I try to pierce his lines every time.

My shooting phase just mows him down, though. He starts the turn with 60 little guys and maybe 5-6 big guys, and at the end he's down to 30 little guys and 4-5 big guys. Quits, regardless of how many objectives he's holding. One time he even quit while he had the Relic in his deployment zone because I killed this big monster bug he hyped up.