Age of Sigmar General /aosg/

First for Seraphon finally being relevant again

2nd for dead thread.

Im gonna get it too

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/aosg/ give me your power

together we can BUILD. THAT. WALL.

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>>54019286
>No It's been 3,000 years edition
One job

So we will see the Path to Glory before the GHB2 release, right?

>>54019431
AND CHAOS IS GOING TO PAY FOR IT

while secretly everyone in Azyr pays for it.

I'm super stoked for the realm based time of war rules. I can legit run a fluffy campaign outside of the "totally awesome and brass" realm of fire. I want some guerilla war Shit in the realm of shadows.

>>54020029
vietnam war based armies when?

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Whatcha working on, /tg? Building up Arkanauts and an Ironclad for me.

What's a good starter greenskin army?

>>54020161
ironjawz mate

>>54020071
Another ten clanrats are waiting until I will pass my exams I'm also gonna buy a start collecting tomorrow so I will have a lot of stuff to paint this summer

God damn! Im so pumped for gh2 and slaanesh special rules!

>>54020071
Trying to finish painting my Aetherstrike Force but I keep getting distracted with my new Tau army

Hi Mike

>>54020466
I am not named Mike

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Just want some feedback, jumping from 40k to this for now because irl m8 is starting AoS

>>54019334
Seraphon Bros unit!
Hey I bought the starter kit and some saurus guards, thinking of getting skinks kroxigar, some riptordactyls and chameleon skinks. Want a sunblood and slann starpreist. Anything else I should look at getting/worth it?

>>54020647
Cant go wrong with a Bastiladon and Stegadon

I would probably wait for GHB2 before making too many big financial decisions

>>54020628
Fuck mate, you are posting this list for a 3rd time I think which makes me literally sad. I wish I could help you but I'm not playing Tzeentch. Did you try to ask on leedit? I know thay are fags but maybe you should also try other sources of contribution?

>>54020702
I swear i've only posted the list twice now
Either way i'm posting this here, dakka and reddit - i want a variety of feedback but i enjoy the bluntness i get from here and 40kgen the most

>>54020702
leddit*
that they*
Mein Gott, I'm tired

As someone newer to AoS, how would YOU go about creating a starter 500 point slow-grow list for Tzeentch demons?

I know for sure that I want a Gaunt Summoner on foot and some pink horrors, but what after that? a box of Tzaangors? A thaumaturge?

I know everyone will suggest a LoC, but I were to buy one then that would be my only tzeentch model

>>54020830
start collecting box would be a good way to... start collecting

>>54020842

yeah I'm aware of those boxes, just wasn't sure if they were a list with actual synergies or if they just shoved a few tzeentch units in a box and called it a day. No point in buying the box if the units dont work well together

>>54020861
Its 500 points, not big enough of a game to care about synergies

Just pick the models you think look cool and go from there

>>54020029
Jungle goblins being napalmed by freeguild. Free guild whom are hopped up on a speed equivalent.

>>54020861
>>54020830
I know that newbies hate the "pick what you find cool" advice but if you are not playing 1000< that's how it works

>>54020915

alright, i figured that's the advice I'd get, just wasn't sure if there was a for-sure "best" build for beginners.

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>>54019286
can't wait to see the allegiance abilities that makes this faction viable.

I am remaining optimistic that the points cost rebalance will actually be good. Nothing wrong with being optimistic.

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>>54020830

So I'm going to give you some insanely anecdotal advice here. I started of with a LoC and bought the starter box. And honestly out of the two the starter box was a far better purchase in regards to points for money value. If you are at all inclined to do the "hobby" end of things i.e. kit bashing, magnetising and the such the starter box can give you all the bits you need to create 3 characters which is fantastic and you probably won't find in other boxes. The three are the blue scribes, the changeling and of course a sorcerer of tzeentch on disc/foot.

tldr; buy the start collecting box and write an army list so you don't just buy things without a real idea of how they will fit into your next purchase.

>>54020628
I don't know much about Tzeentch but I'll do my best.

IDK why you have three shamans when one will do. They're squishy as fuck and their unique spell sucks in matched because you cant summon for free. You have too much of the same magic in your list.

Minimum battleline requirements are bad. If you're going to do that you might as well go for acolytes instead of regular tzaangors because tzaangors get stronger is larger units and you're missing out on that benefit.

Honestly, I would drop 2 of the Shaman's + the arcanite cult, then convert 2-3 of your battlelines into acolytes and either spam more skyfires (always good) or make a large unit of 20-30 tzaangor's.

>>54019286
They better not nerf Stormfiends by raising their point values

>>54021675
yeah there like the only thing skaven got going for them at the minute

>>54021747
exactly, Im thinking of getting some to buff up my current skaven army, but there are so many forums full of bitches whining about them that I am worried GW will up their point values. If they remain the same, I will buy three boxes of them. Otherwise, Im just going to stick to BloodBowl...

>>54021490
I also don't play Tzeentch, but couldn't you use the Shaman's spell to replace casualties into an existing Tzaangor unit, as long as they don't go over their starting size?

>>54021800
this, dubs of truth

>>54014835
>The skull is pretty big, I dont have it to hand right now but its about 38mm, what were you planning on using it for?
It's for a 40k Ork Warboss on bike, specifically for the bike's front plate and wheel guard. 38mm sounds a bit on the big side though.

>>54022129
truth they gonna change or the truth they gonna stay the same?

>>54022387
truth that if they do change the points that playing skaven will be ruined to the point of going to play something else

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>>54022433
>another dubs
Jesus, stop it Anon or at least use a meme magic for something good. I just started building up a Skaven army and I want to have some fuckin fun with it

>>54022566
dont worry, your dubs just cancelled mine, so thankfully skaven are saved now

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>>54022433
stormfiends are one of the newest kits on shelves in stores. Seems unlikely that it will see anything other than a points decrease or stay the same. Same goes for the rest of the new kits on shelves. They are running a business after all.

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>>54021800
>>54021747
>>54022129
>>54022566

>Tfw Stormfiends sell because they have good models, and good rules no doubt help
>Tfw you recognize the hole dug by making warpflamers too good
>Tfw you want to call a guy out for fielding multiple Stormfiends
>Tfw newfags will insist it's what Skryre is all about and it's fluffy + battleline rule encourages this
>Tfw GW is so embarrassed by half the Skaven models all they show are Stormfiends, Verminlords, etc plastic kits and artwork
>Tfw self fulfilling prophecy
>Tfw cannot sincerely promote things like Ratling guns or Acolytes with such awful models no one wants
>Tfw no clan is designed well in AoS


Skaven are in such a poor position right now, and this is just the tip of it. Gobbos and elves too for similar reasons. Christ these factions need a real release or model update badly

But at least we aren't Beastmen

>>54022613
Jokes aside, I just started assembling and painting my rats for real and I'm still not sure if it is a good idea. I'm worried that I'm losing some part of this hobby fun by picking a faction with no battletome (inb4 pestilens - not playing them). I really hope that GW will finally give Skaven some love and maybe a new kit or two tho

>>54022684
I actually like ratling guns and would use them on the stormfiends...

>>54022715
Not what he meant

>>54019286
>Alive game edition
Kek

Is AOS a good start for someone who is new to wargaming? Or should I start somewhere else?

>>54022694
Im also they up their Skaven game with some more battletomes, who knows maybe they will re-release Mordheim next year and make skaven great again

>>54022744
Look at this
- Do you want to paint stuff and have some fun with plastic? If yes, then go next - if no, pick x-wing
- Do you want to play with 20+ models? If yes, then go next - if no, pick Infinity
- Do you prefer high fantasy over grimdark sci-fi? If yes, pick AoS - if no, pick 40k

>>54022694
I started with pestilens and it's pretty much all I have. They're not that bad, if not repetitive and lacking variety.

>>54022744
It's about as simple as games get. And very shallow because of that.
Miniatures are pricey and many are poorly designed, so it's up to whether you like them or not.
Honestly you'd better make a separate thread for this question since most people posting here are AOS fans anyway.

>>54022795
This is probably the most biased and least informative chart I've ever read.

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>>54020466
Picture related

>>54022889
Why?
If you don't like the hobby aspect (kitbashing, painting etc.) then x-wing is a nice skirmish game.

If you want to make some magic with brushes and glue then you have to ask yourself if you are ready to fuck with 40 models or you prefer to play smaller games with low model count squads. If yes, then there is no point to fuck with AoS Skirmish or Kill Team if you can just play Infinity - it's a really good skirmish game tho.

If you want to fight battles instead of guerilla urban fights then you should pick AoS or 40k. Right now they ruleset is so similar that it's all about theme and aesthetic. You can always just buy two SC boxes for Nurgle Daemons and play both

>>54023040
their rulesets are*

>>54023010
Huh, I like your niggercasts mate - nice scheme and now show us your space commies

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As an enterprising Chaos Lord of Undivided, how do I make one of these little Skaven assassin shits remain '''''''loyal''''''''?

>>54023087
Pay them

>>54023152

What does one pay a filthy rat with?

Is it skulls? I'm sorry, but I'm investing those in Khorne. Its a growing market!

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>>54023169
Aelvish meat should work

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>>54023079
Still in the building, magnetizing, and primer stage

Still need to build 2 railgun broadsides, 1 riptide, and another hammerhead

>>54023169
WARP TOKENS

>>54023258
Oh my, it's like a porno for me. I wanted to drop AoS for 8e T'au but I went to far with my current army. I hope that GHB2 will make me believe I made a good choice

>>54021913
You could, which is why I recommended keeping one shaman and a unit of tzaangors.

>>54020978
Start collecting is almost always best value and every model in the box will likely have a home in all of your lists. Start there, test it out, figure out any weaknesses and work on patching them one unit at a time.

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Anyone got the ePub or PDF of Plague Garden?

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Is the black armor bright highlight bright enough?

>>54023864
it's okay mate. I would even say that it is a little to bright so I woulnd't go any further with it

>>54023621
>>54023864
I agree, almost too bright. Stop there and possible go a bit darker on the future models. otherwise it looks like they have black and light blue armor. Also had to do 80 years of Captcha to post this.

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>>54019286
Soon

>>54024104
Never ever

Get over it faggot, tomb cucks are gone for good

>>54023621
Second this

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>>54025105
Third this, I know one of you chucklefucks has it.

Which factions do we expect to get allegiance abilities and which won't? I can't see factions with only two units getting any allegiance stuff.

>>54027406
Please GW just give me Soulblight already

Was the night goblin squatting confirmed or was it fear mongering? Important as id love to start a small 500 point army.

>>54022770
My guess: Eshin'll get new models, or at least some new rules, definitely a battletome, once the narrative gets to Ulgu.

It fits with their fluff, it's a place that's ripe for exploration, and Eshin did get a new model with Silver Tower, same as the Aelves from Ulgu.

So, Skaven release alongside Aelf release.

>>54019286
40k ruleset for AoS when? GW can't fix this game soon enough!!!

>>54021166
I think Dark elves will be getting something in general. The Points preview for GHB2017 had points cost for Shadowblade. And that guy has been dead for ages. So I wonder if they'll add him again or something.

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Fun fact, if you glue the Arkanaut special weapons model's arms to their weapons but not their bodies, they can more or less slide into and out of place. It's like magnetising weapons, but for poor/cheap/stupid people who don't know how to magnet.

>>54021675
>>54022387
>>54022433
>>54022566
>>54022684

They should just limit Stormfiends to the amount of weapons in the box. 1 Gauntlet or Fidget Spinner, 1 Drill or Gun, 1 Projector or Mortar. Maybe even drop the point value a little bit?

Oh and release plastic jezzails with a slight point drop.

BOOM, Skaven Skryre fixed and that means Verminus is also fixed. Just add some cool mixed battallions and voila

>>54023010
Looks pretty baller, although please tell me you are at least gonna do some washes plus easy highlights?
>>54023169
Warpstone/Token you doofus

>>54021166
>legacy armies
>viable
pick one shiteater

>>54022744
Disregard notions of some games being too complicated for beginners, or other games being "more suitable" due to being less complex.

Find a game that people play in the area that you live at a venue that you're willing to travel to in order to play. Learn to play that game. Having a place to play and people to play with is what you should base your choice of wargame on. No game is too hard for an adult human to learn to play in more than a few hours.

>>54029839
In your own way you kind of raised an interesting point.

Stormcast
Iron jaws
Khorne
Steam Dwarves

That's four factions GW actually managed to flesh out/update or introduce in any meaningful way.
AoS is now 2(?) years old?

They are moving really fucking slow still. Especially considering they are trying to start a new franchise there.

>>54030007
I really don't understand why GW didn't make updating and reorganising the legacy armies into new AoS battletome factions a priority. Tons of armies are stuck in limbo and look like they will be there for some time still, which makes the entire game look bad.

>>54030007
>They are moving really fucking slow still. Especially considering they are trying to start a new franchise there.

I don't it's that slow, people in these threads have unrealistic expectations if you ask me. In WHFB we only saw releases once every 5-7 years for a faction.
>>54030084
I do agree with this Anon, that it's really weird that they didn't do a band-aid/index fix for all the existing lines. The grand alliances books could have easily been way better than the bare minimum of fluff+battallions we received.

>>54030157
>In WHFB we only saw releases once every 5-7 years for a faction
And now it's dead

>>54030188
I don't think fantasy failed in the end because of the (lack of) updates for certain armies. Maybe people need to be a bit more realistic that Warhammer is a long term hobby, not a FoTM every 3 months you collect new army kind of thing. All the people that I know, and this is anecdotal of course, have collected the same group or faction of miniatures for more then 10 years.

>>54021166
I'm hoping we get some regular dwarf shit. that'd be wicked

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>>54029501
Skaven wishlist
When general dies.. Rat with command ability takes over unless chieftain did a coo. This rat doesn't gain any ability not even inspiring presence

Allow clanrats to buy weapon teams or one rat orge and it gains the verminus battalion ability against wounds

Give giant rats a rend -1 on six to wound.. Allow mystic shield to give them 6+ save

Clan mors gets stormvermin battle line

Pack masters and assassins can be bought in groups of 1-3 for one hero slot

Plague monks and Stormvermin can buy magical banners

Non general warlord can wield a fellblade ;)

Master clan models counts as all skaven clans for purpose of allegiance abilities and battleline

Mortars are a upgrade for Acolytes who provides wound buffer for the team

Rattling guns and warpfire throwers change unit size to min 1 max 5

Doomwheel can be upgraded to a hero/wizard who can cast warp lighting even if its already been casted but suffers d3 wounds if it fails

>>54030305
Not a fan of your mixed unit+upgrade idea. I could see weapon teams work as special weapon upgrades for the clan rats, limited to one in 10 but they are not in the same box, and making them a part of Clanrats doesn't feel right to me. And making all these units upgrades will just add the same issue WHFB had with bunker units for everything. This will also unbalance shooting again since one of the reasons shooting is good in AoS is because you can use it to eliminate threats.

>Mortars are a upgrade for Acolytes who provides wound buffer for the team
I think Acolytes should become a plastic kit with multiple options for weapons.

>Master clan models counts as all Skaven clans for purpose of allegiance abilities and battleline
This one makes sense.

>Rattling guns and warp fire throwers change unit size to min 1 max 5
How is this relevant? just for buffs? IMO weapons teams should be cheap, powerful and very fragile. If you want something robust you get Stormfiends. Like I said above, Acolytes would be cool as the 'squad version' of Skryre tech.

>Non general warlord can wield a fellblade ;)
Should just be a Skaven Artifact.

>When general dies.. Rat with command ability takes over unless chieftain did a coo. This rat doesn't gain any ability not even inspiring presence
Flavorful, but useless in almost any scenario, I think the current rules with the Chieftain and the Warlord scurrying special rule already convey the cowardly and backstabbing part of Skaven well enough. The Chieftain should just get an official model like the Warchanter.

>Give giant rats a rend -1 on six to wound.. Allow mystic shield to give them 6+ save
Different topic, but Rat Ogres should just be battleline for Moulder Allegiance. And then an Arch-Packmaster should be introduced so they have an actual character in the faction.

>Plague monks and Stormvermin can buy magical banners
Why?

Guys help me
so it's seems AoS has been turning out into a pretty [spoilers]fun[/spoilers] game and I want to try it out. I have about 500 old empire minis ready to go.

I gues I need the generals handbook for matched play.
But do I need the GrandAllianceOrder book or can I just as well use warscrolls from the web? What's the point in getting the alliance book?
Are there more specific "army books" coming along later?
what the fuck is a battle tome
what the fuck is a battleplan

guy in GW store told me that square bases are fine for now but "maybe not in the future". what

Got the AoS starter and so far I'm really enjoying it, but I have a question to do with damage allocation.

Say I'm fighting 10 Blood Reavers with 3 Retributors and I inflict 2 wounds. Each wound does 2 damage. Does that mean I kill 4 enemies?

I think I'm right because the quick reference sheet says, "Most weapons have a damage characteristic of 1, but some can inflict 2 or more wounds, allowing them to cause grievous injuries to even the mightiest foe, or to cleave through more than one opponent with but a single blow!"

And also, is there anything I should know about the game in regards to rules that can be easily overlooked? Like adding 1 to a units bravery for every 10 models. Line of Sight for example, is there a specific set-in-stone method?

PS: I should wait for the new Generals Handbook, yes?

>>54030084
>eally don't understand why GW didn't make updating and reorganising the legacy armies into new AoS battletome factions a priority.
They've tried it in the first year, but since GHB release, they've changed direction, there will be no updates for legacy armies, only replacements, because legacy don't fit fantasy sci-fi setting

>>54030582
>I have about 500 old empire minis ready to go.
Drop this shit.
Also, none playes 500 pts

>>54030720
>there will be no updates for legacy armies, only replacements

So the vast majority of the model range and people's collections will be worthless, and the game will be limited to a tiny pool of brand new factions that only gets added to once in a blue moon?

Neato.

>>54030794
>So the vast majority of the model range and people's collections will be worthless
It was pretty obvious since the launch, GW doesn't want to see WHFB players in AoS

>>54030733

are they 1 point each

wtf

>>54030832
>are they 1 point each
Who?

>>54031026

my old empire figs, why shouldn't I use them to try out AoS?

>>54031062
>why shouldn't I use them to try out AoS?
They are shit, none plays less than 1k pts games (game just didn't designed for such formats)

>>54031088

what do you mean the models are "shit" and why can't I use them for 2k pts games?

>>54031111
>what do you mean the models are "shit" and why can't I use them for 2k pts games?
1) Free people shit army
2) They looks very ugly and out of scale

>>54031131

guess I won't bother with AoS then

>>54031138
That guy is a fucking idiot that can't read. All of the books you need are available in pdf format in OP's pastebin, and if you have 500 models to play with there's no way you won't be able to scrape a decent army together - IIRC gunline armies are the best way to play Empire, but I haven't looked into it much.

There's no reason not to throw a list together and at least try it when you already have the models to hand.

>>54031162
>IIRC gunline armies are the best way to play Empire
Except they suck against all modern armies.

>>54029548
>Looks pretty baller, although please tell me you are at least gonna do some washes plus easy highlights?
Yeah that's just the basecoats. See >>54023864 to see at how the final product will look

>>54029839
nigga have you played tomb kings

>>54030582
First off, don't listen to these faggot >>54030733 >>54031131 >>54031088
>>54030806 >>54030720
Secondly, check out scrollbuilder on the community site to start building your list. I do advice on picking up a GBH since you will need it for loads of things. The grand alliance books are paper versions of the online warscrolls so unless you really want that, there is not a real point to it.

Once you figure out which units you want to use from your Empire/Freeguild, check out what you want to add. I'd heartily recommend a celestial Hurricanum, since it gives buffs, access to mortal wounds and is mounted on a semi tough body.

From there, add anything from Order that suits your fancy, since playing mono-faction is not neccessary and all your statetroops are battleline anyway.

>>54023864
>>54031247
Looks nice, final force is looking quite promising.

>>54030659
>Say I'm fighting 10 Blood Reavers with 3 Retributors and I inflict 2 wounds. Each wound does 2 damage. Does that mean I kill 4 enemies?
Yes

>PS: I should wait for the new Generals Handbook, yes?
There are some units, especially for Stormcast, that will definitely be good in GHB2. I wouldn't buy any Vanguard-Raptors but everything else is a safe bet.

>>54031255
>nigga have you played tomb kings
Nah, my taste is better, so as my SCE.
>>54031261
>since playing mono-faction is not neccessary
And this idiot calls me faggot

>>54030659
No. Freeguild is shit, you should buy Stormcast Eternals you fantacuck

>>54031312
If you don't like tomb kings you have objectively shit taste

>>54031312
>And this idiot calls me faggot
Yes, you are. All the major tournament lists are grand alliance lists. I think that proves that you can make a decent grand alliance list. The no battletome = not viable is the most annoying meme of this whole fucking general after the aelfposting math-autist.

>>54031319
You have to go back to your general fantasyshiteater.
>>54031335
>All the major tournament lists are grand alliance lists.
Except they all use allegeance bonuses.
>The no battletome = not viable is the most annoying meme
It's reality. Top-3 armies are battletome armies

>>54031255
>tomb kings
fantacuck spotted

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>>54027859
>night gobs squatted

Any news on this?

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>>54031353
>>54031371
I've never played WHFB in my life

Only started collecting TK with AOS

>>54031410
then you have terrible taste

>>54031438
no u

>>54031448
>projecting so hard

>>54030582

Just do whatever tf you want man. I've got about 2k points of Free Peoples.

They're all on square bases unfortunately.

I lOVE the look of round bases but fucking how does one even go about prying them off the bases without destroying feet? My friend told me to soak em in simple green to weaken the bond but I've already spent two whole days repainting the guys.

I mean, I am not really a tournament player. I'm in it more for the modeling, painting and playing against friends in friendly flgs games. Does it matter? Asking the thread in general lmao.

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Will there be a battletome for the free peoples?
Or will the stormcast "superhumans" be the only humans in the game? What about regular humans?

>>54031566
>>I lOVE the look of round bases but fucking how does one even go about prying them off the bases without destroying feet?
Cut the base off using clippers

I'm certain you can find tutorials if you search for them on google or youtube

>>54031566
you can cut of the rims of the bases and then just stick them unto a new base. If you don't have slotta bases that seems like the proper way to do it.

Sadly, almost all my miniatures are on slotta bases so I'm not gonna rebase them.
>>54031353
>>54031371
>>54031438
Oh look it's that shitposter again, can you please start posting under a trip so I can filter you?

>>54031591
We don't know and can only guess. Current trend seems to be new armies but on the other hand, All the chaos tomes thus far are mergers of various faction under a single god. So it could go either way. Freeguild are very much part of the lore since they are featured in novels and battletomes (storywise that is) so there's that at least.

>>54031270
Excuse the lack of knowledge, I moved over from 40K to AoS fairly recently, but why do you think Stormcasts will be good in the new book? Are things often given re-stats?

>>54031317
Fantacuck?
The only units I have are Stormcasts.

>>54031806
>Excuse the lack of knowledge, I moved over from 40K to AoS fairly recently, but why do you think Stormcasts will be good in the new book? Are things often given re-stats?
Nothing in the stormcast army roster really stands out as being "too good". The only units that are really considered to be "overpowered" are the Vanguard-Raptors with Longstrike Bows, and that's only in a specific list that uses a specific battalion to make them shoot 3+ times per turn.

>>54021166
Simple. Aelf becomes an allegiance keyword with more battleline options.

>>54031856
It would help a lot of if all the old units that used to be core in 8th become battleline regardless of anything.

So Dark Riders, Corsairs, etc, etc. That counts for all factions. Only 'special' units should be circumstantial core.

Does anyone else suffer from playerbase flight?

I used to play in my FLGS/Club and out of 5 players I am the only one left. Everybody else moved to 40k 8th ed.

>>54031988
A lot of AOS players also play 40k

Some of them were only playing AOS while waiting for 8th ed

We'll have to wait and see if they come back to AOS after they play enough 40k

>>54031591
>Will there be a battletome for the free peoples?
Nope, most likely we will get few battletomes for separate human armies (like it was fireslayers and kharadon overlords).
Free people are just placeholder for old Empire units.
>>54031619
>can you please start posting under a trip so I can filter you?
Sorry, but there is two anons.

>>54030305
>Master clan models counts as all skaven clans for purpose of allegiance abilities and battleline

I want this. GW are morons for making Masterclan a useless dead faction of grey seers and nothing else.

Every fucking skaven player insisted on this when AoS dropped and i got swept up in it too, i believed the memes and hype

>>54031591
Do "normal humans" really have a place in a game of demi-gods?

>>54032212
Nope, they are basically npc

>>54023010

This is to close to what I am doing so I am going to have to ask you to destroy all of them, spread the ashes out over a field, and move to a different force. It is the only reasonable thing to do.

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>>54032212
According to GW, the answer is 'yes'.

>>54031988
>>54032062
Everyone at my local store players both Sigmar and 40k, and naturally due to hype and 8th actually being fun/not 7th people flock to it - We do still play Skirmish sometimes

AoS needs to hurry up and release the GHB2, take what they learn from 8th and use it to update the old battle-tomes and rebalance points for matched, and of course release a brand new army

Until then, Aos is kind of stagnant and it's no wonder we're all trying out the hot new game

>>54032212
>>54031591
I predict the first "humans" battletome will be an expansion on Sigmarite followers, AKA Flagellants

But don't hold your breath, this won't be for a while

>>54032257
>According to GW
proof?
>posting non-existing Cadians

>>54020647
Would absolutely suggest a Slaan. Being able to set aside points at the beginning of the game and then summon what you need on the fly is incredibly powerful. Also gives you a good option Vs. most any form of chaos in the spell it has.

>>54032297
>>54032257
Considering they are still protagonists in books, I'd say they still play a major role. No my guess is that >>54032221 you are the same poster who has been whining about this topic for 213545 generals and I kindly request to kill yourself

>>54032401
>Considering they are still protagonists in books,
So what? Few BL books have hive-citiezen protag, does it mean they are relevant in setting?
>No my guess is that >>54032221 (You) you are the same poster
Yep and I am right, even in free compendium for legacy armies all Order mortals (Empire, High, Dark, Wood elves, dwarfs) described as militia forces onf Azyrheim.

>>54031988
Yes. The last 6 months we've pretty much lost all our players here.

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>>54032297
>proof?
40k. Imperial guard. They get new models and shit like that.
>"non-existing"
>not "non-existent"
>not "spread out over the whole galaxy, thus being the most recognisable and lauded of the Guard's recruiting planets"
>not "the most famous regiments and officers in the galaxy"
>not "in-universe propaganda artwork depicting a Guardsman in a heroic context, thus associating him with glory and heroics"
>not "GW depicting a Guardsman, and by inference the Guard, as powerful and heroic"

>>54032480
I wouldn't argue with him, relevant in his opinion means THE HEROS OF ALL THE STORYS. And if you prove him wrong he will just move the goalposts again and again and again. That shitter has derailed so many threads in the last 6 months.

>>54032480
>They get new models
That's why they still have infantry from 3th edition?
Also, Gathering the Storm showed how inferior Guard role in setting

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answering the question on everyone'd mind... what happened to the regular dwarves? Apparently they've been busy under their masters lash in the realm of shadow.

>>54032529
>what happened to the regular dwarves?
They''ve became citiziens of Azyrheim.

>>54032454
>does it mean they are relevant in setting?
... Anon, whether they're """"""""""relevant"""""""""" or not isn't the reason why they get stories written about them. The reason for that is because they have a particular viewpoint or perspective that is not of the norm for the setting and is therefore an interesting subject for a writer.

It does, however, mean that they do have significance out-of-setting due to being a subject of interest, and therefore, they will be kept in the spotlight outside the stories.

>I am right
>Doesn't even bother explaining his opinion or his reasons for his posting what he does
>He just acts like an arrogant shitwad

>>54032555
>they will be kept in the spotlight outside the stories.
Yeah because we have so many hive-gangs for Shadow war, or wait...
>>Doesn't even bother explaining his opinion
Isn't it obvious?

>>54032555
>... Anon, whether they're """"""""""relevant"""""""""" or not isn't the reason why they get stories written about them.
So argument
>Considering they are still protagonists in books, I'd say they still play a major role.
is invalid

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>>54032509
So have the Sisters of Battle, yet they helped hold the gates during the Fall of Cadia
>b-b-b-but they failed
No, Cawl did. Besides, the Sisters were still in the fluff and they were still relevant. They were still doing shit, even though their models are almost ALL woefully outdated.

Meanwhile, the Guard got new tanks and infantry, new rulebooks and buffs during 5th, 6th and 7th editions. They have new shit, the Sisters have none.

And what about the Black Templars? They sure as shit don't have out-and-out new stuff, but they were still the focus Chapter of the Fall of Cadia book.

>how inferior Guard role in setting
Obvious ESL and accompanying atrocious grammar aside, yes?
The Guard have always, always, always been the grots to the Space Marines' boyz. That is the way it has always been, and that is doubtless the way it always will be.

Just how new are you, not knowing this?

>>54032636
>So have the Sisters of Battle, yet they helped hold the gates during the Fall of Cadia
Should I remind how it's ended?
>No, Cawl did.
Nope, it's IG who failed against black Legion.
>new tanks and infantry
You mean scions?
>And what about the Black Templars?
Irrelevant in the setting.
>The Guard have always, always, always been the grots to the Space Marines' boyz.
Yep and now this role was given to Marines to show how cool Primaris Marines.
But my point was a little different. >>54032147

Is this an AoS thread or a 40k thread?

40k shitposters please leave

>>54032752
>>54032745
If all the shitposters leave, then this thread is dead AF. That's the state of this general(not the game mind you)

>The new book will cover Allegiance Abilities for the likes of Fyreslayers, Seraphon, Slaaneshi hosts, Nighthaunts and over a dozen others.
>and over a dozen others

Place your bets

I think we can say these ones are 100% confirmed:
1. Pestilens
2. Flesheaters
3. Ironjawz
4. Swifthawk Agents

Nurgle will be getting a battletome soon

What else? Deathrattle? Spiderfang? Gutbusters? Everchosen?

>>54032682
>Nope, it's IG who failed against the Black Legion
Yes, because a combined Imperial defense composed of multiple sections of the Imperium's many military wings is TOTALLY brought low due to one of them being "lol, just not good enough i guess :DD"
Also: confirmed for not having read Fall of Cadia.
>You mean scions?
And Ogryns, and Bullgryns, and the new Commissar, and the Hydra, and the Wyvern, and the Taurox, and fuck you really need to do better than that son.
>Irrelevant in the setting
>Black Templars
>Irrelevant
>now this role was given to Marines
>I have no argument and only ever post memes: the post
>I do not research my point, thus ensuring that I am actually, in fact, right: the post
>I cannot stretch metaphors and compare Primaris Marines to nobz: the post

Take your pick, anon. Whatever you choose, it's late and I'm going to bed. I won't see any reply you post, and therefore you will not be able to rile me up further, robbing you of your Slav satisfaction. And by the way, this does not mean that you "win" this argument. It means you're shit that I'm not going to put up with. I do that enough at work.

>>54032855
Ooh, Deathrattle would be nice.
Dispossessed would be ballin'.

>>54032860
>Yes, because a combined Imperial defense composed of multiple sections of the Imperium's many military wings is TOTALLY brought low due to one of them being "lol, just not good enough i guess :DD"
It's still was IG planet.
>And Ogryns, and Bullgryns
6th edition.
>Wyvern, and the Taurox
Technically it's separate armies
>>Black Templars
>>relevant
Pick one.
>>I have no argument
Honestly, what argument do you need?

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>>54032855
Darkling Coven, Wanderers, and Daughters of Khaine are all going to be there even though they suck balls so hard they may as well just remove them completely.

>>54033102
>Darkling Coven, Wanderers, and Daughters of Khaine
Lol no

>>54033102
We might see Order Serpentis and Phoenix Temple since they have been mentioned in the fluff a few times

Wanderers are likely since they started reboxing them

>>54033153
>since they have been mentioned in the fluff a few times
You literally sound like a ChaosDwarf player (look we were mentikned here!)
There is literally zero reasons to work with 2units-armies.

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>>54033153
I would be shocked it Order Draconis wasn't in too. They aren't going to suddenly leave out the high elf dragon box kit currently on shelves in stores.

>>54033113
>Lol no
I was basing that purely on the fact that those ranges have models you can currently walk into any store and buy off the shelf.

They would have had to go full retard not to include the models currently eating shelf space in the new book.

>>54033188
>i dont read the fluff but Ill shitposting about it anyway

Why are elffags the worst

>>54033215
>I was basing that purely on the fact that those ranges have models you can currently walk into any store and buy off the shelf.
Yeah, like TK, like NG.
>>54033216
>look we wuz mentioned here! Just like SoB surely we will got update woon

>>54033248
go back to 40kg faggot

>>54033258
It's Warhammer thread so I am on my home
And what about prediction, IMO they might focus on different allegiwnces for subfactions of actual armies.

>>54031988
Yes, everybody but me switched to playing 40k all of the time. GW cannibalised their own profit again.

>>54033336
>GW cannibalised their own profit again.
How exactly? They've decided to focus on 40k durring the whole year, so they've cohnted on that.

>>54033440
I hope they don't end up trashing Sigmar like they did to fantasy, it looks more and more like it.

>>54033572
>it looks more and more like it.
One month without a release and the kids already start complaining, do you need constant validation or something? They've announced Path of Glory, a new GBH and hinted at lot of other new stuff. Please take a giant cock and start sucking it.

>>54033572
>it looks more and more like it.
Looks more like they designed current AoS (after GHB) nkt to attract totally new people, but to attract their main playerbase (40k players) to another GW game.
What I'am tryin to say that it was pretty obvious that AoS will be 40k sidekick, not a new flagship.

>>54033611
>One month without a release and the kids already start complaining, do you need constant validation or something?
The game gets sales because there's new releases. If there is no releases the game dies and get squatted (like fantasy).

>>54033611
>at lot of other new stuff.
Technically they didn't hint any new miniature stuff

>>54033649
>a miniature needs constant releases on a monthly basis or it doesn't sell.
Got anything to back up that claim?
>>54033651
Granted, nothing specific but it's not like every rumour engine pic has been sourced yet.

>>54033674
>Got anything to back up that claim?
When they stopped the releases for WHFB the sales dropped.

>>54033440
>How exactly?
You don't know what profit cannibalisation means?

>>54033248
>Yeah, like TK

actually no, not like TK. TK not only isn't sold in stores, you can't even buy it off the web-store anymore either.

I was making the general comment that if you want to know what will for sure be in GHB2.0 then look around at what is currently sitting on store shelves. Those things, at least, will be in the book.

>>54034163
>you can't even buy it off the web-store anymore either.
Just like NG, what makes you think they will support rest of legacyshit?

DEATH BATTLETOMES FUCKING WHEN

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>>54034216
>Just like NG, what makes you think they will support rest of legacyshit?

They would have had to go full retard not to include the models currently eating shelf space in GW stores in the new book.

>>54034495
>not to include the models currently eating shelf space in GW stores in the new book.
Why would they spend time on obviously dead armies, especially when these armies are fucked beyond the repair and doesn't fir game aesthetic?

>>54030485
Warpfire s in teamsbecause i remember 4th? Edition whixh allowed them to be in units.. and also attached inn 6th trade protection from abilities and spells that target units within x inches for having battleshock. And less drops when deploying. something like Being able to hide a doomflayer inside a unit of clanrats

Magical banners were allowed in those units previously and fellblade was my favorite magic item next to say skalm

>>54034495
Or they stopped making those a while back, so they don't have that much inventory left. Just grind it up and pour the plastic back into the injection moulding machine's hopper again.

>>54034549
>Why would they spend time on obviously dead armies
they have a current line of products in stores and available for sale. The GHB is a complimentary product to facilitate the use of those lines of product. It's common sense that GW will prioritize their current lines of product in the GHB in order to promote the sales of those lines. Its common sense.

>>54031353
Generic allegiance bonus are in handbook too.. And people forgetting magic items are artifacts and still take up their allocated one per army/battalion

>>54034656
>It's common sense that GW will prioritize their current lines of product in the GHB in order to promote the sales of those lines.
And current lines of product is AoS armies, not legacy

>>54032855
Verminus:)

>>54034750
>And current lines of product is AoS armies, not legacy
I'm defining "current lines of product" as those model kits currently available for sale in stores and on the GW website. I'm defining it that way because that definition captures the operational costs associated with running the business. GW is paying to manufacture, ship, and stock those products and so I believe it is accurate do define them as current lines of product.

>>54034843
That kinda thinking is why models got left outta skirmish book

There's still no official fantasy vs 40k is there?

>>54032855
Skryre maybe (hopefully). It's not like skaven have anything useful beyond that

>>54034843
>GW is paying to manufacture
Proof?

https://twitter.com/jon_pyke/status/879628717944963072

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So for my first game, it's a skirmish game where I have 30 points and my opponent has 60 since he's been in the campaign longer. I'm using my rats. I'm gonna guess I should start with all plague monks and a general. What general should I use?

I also love how we're talking about rats more here

Does anyone have the balance of power book or a link?

>>54035133
Check the OP dumbass

>>54030007
You forgot Naked Dwarves.

>>54035110
Use plague monks for those delicious banner and musician abilities. Night runners (clan rat models) for those shooting attacks and speed. Then pray, cause 30 points over you means he's gonna grind your bones.

>>54034495
>not to include the models currently eating shelf space in GW stores in the new book.
They might include them, but how did it helped legacy armies in first GHB?

>>54035110
>I also love how we're talking about rats more here
Well, when armies squatted people start talk about them for a while

>>54035576
>but how did it helped legacy armies in first GHB?
totally different subject.

like I said here:
>>54033102
>they suck balls so hard they may as well just remove them completely.

>>54036021
>totally different subject.
Why? Because there is:
1) Zero reasons to make them good
2) Zero ways to make them good

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>>54036111
>Why? Because there is:
>1) Zero reasons to make them good
>2) Zero ways to make them good

Actually the problem with the legacy armies, in general, (there's exceptions to this) is that they were broken up into non-functional mini-factions.

reasons to make them good:
1) to sell more of them
ways to make them good:
1) put them back into their parent factions and give them formations, spell lores, artifacts, and traits.
2) Actually balance the Matched Play points in the game instead of the joke balance of GHB1

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>>54032855
Please High elves God please

I'd accept pan-Aelf rules as well, since GW may as well prep us for the inevitable Shadow Aelves release later down the line

>>54032855
Ironjawz please so much. They're fuckin disgusting to play against with their formation allowing them 2d6 movement on top of running while being crazy in combat, also some points cost increase to Brutes and Judicators would be appreciated

>>54036261
>1) to sell more of them
They already stopped production, so now GW needs only to clear the stocks.
>1) put them back into their parent factions
And that's all? We both knew it's not going to happen. Since they split them into 2-units armies it was obvious that these armies wouldn't have any real future

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>>54036437

>>54036437
>They already stopped production

Of what?

>>54036540
>Of what?
production of miniatures for legacy armies

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>>54036565
Even while they're reboxing them?

>>54036615
You mean seraphons?

>>54036676
Wanderers, Deathrattle, Ironweld Arsenal, and Dispossessed have already begun getting reboxed into the new AOS box format. Round bases and all that jazz.

Once they run out of stock with other factions I'm sure they'll start doing the same.

>>54036748
>Wanderers
Half of their units are OOP and trees are separate army now.
>Deathrattle
They've reboxed existed boxes when Fleasheaters book cames out
>Ironweld Arsenal
Literally just a bunch of warwagons (obviously for SCE HS)
>Dispossessed
Sold out, not"temporary out of stock"

>>54036802
>Half of their units are OOP and trees are separate army now.
And? They already started reboxing them

>They've reboxed existed boxes when Fleasheaters book cames out
What are you talking about? They only started reboxing the Deathrattle stuff a month or two ago.

>Literally just a bunch of warwagons (obviously for SCE HS)
So? They started reboxing it a few weeks ago.

>Sold out, not"temporary out of stock"
That means the existing stock has finally sold out and is being reboxed. Use your brain, this is not complicated stuff.

You are real dumb

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>>54035751

> stop by /aosg/; it's been a while, but GHB2 coming out, so might as well see what's up
> thread is 80 percent Reddit rats
What the fuck happened

>>54030007
>>54035274
and the Sylvaneth. The faction which kinda kicked off AoS having a bit more list building depth.

Arguably Tzeentch as well

>>54037697
40k shitposters, skavenposters, and buttblasted WHFBfags

>>54037697
People are tired with posterboys releases and GHB2 release brings some hope for the legacy armies players
>>54037809
>40k shitposters, skavenposters, and buttblasted WHFBfags
It's not like 80% of AoS players are also playing 40k. Why do you think AoS generals are so dead these times?

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>>54036802

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>>54031619

Only my Greatswordsmen are on slotted bases. And they're pretty embedded in there and would be impossible to place on a new base sadly. But yeah, I'll do that!

>>54031591
I feel like they're not going to get their own thing but will still have rules and a place in the fluff.

>>54032212
The realms belonging to Order would be nothing without the Freeguild to keep the peace, to patrol the borders, and to defend the weak and helpless from bandits and that shit.

The Stormcast Eternals are scouring the frontlines, pushing further into the Realms of Chaos and Death, but the true backbone of the armies of Order are the Freeguild who in the fluff are "conscripted by the thousands" in order to protect the lands of Order and to help retake lands taken by opposition.

They are now more or less the fantasy Imperial Guard, and desu I'd not have it any other way.

>>54032297

Idk where you've heard that. GW specifically said that there are Cadians on fronts all over the galaxy and they're not going anywhere. For the moment at least.

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crazy how fast the hype for Tzeentch flared and burned out. No one talks about them anymore.

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>>54031591
I think this is a perfect foreshadowing of the future of regular-marines and chad-marines. and unfortunately, no, I don't believe we will see a regular human faction release. It would be cool, but I don't think so.

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>>54034549

I don't get the "they don't fit game aesthetic". Like, it's a fantasy game. They can make it fit lmao.

It's fantasy, they can do whatever tf they want. If they want a bunch of giant superhuman demigod paladins fighting alongside germanic soldiers carrying spears and little dudes carrying big guns they can do that.

Because it's fucking fantasy.

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Troll/Chaosspawn/beast of nurgle for a hinterlands warband. He's basically finished, except for the agrellan earth which needs to dry and get a wash.

>>54028845
If you do this you will not only scratch and chip away your paint job, but also stress the plastic and eventually snap it. Its similar to bending a fresh twig back and forth until it breaks, except the plastic is even weaker. Id probably just magnetise instead. If you can twist a pin vice and put a round magnet in a round whole then you can magnetise

>>54038671
Science gone too far

Real talk. Skirmish or Hinterlands.

>>54039003
I'd say Hinterlands, for it's variety alone and the fact that it gets updated from time to time.

>>54038671
Damn that looks awesome

>>54039003
Hadn't try Hinterlands yet but skirmish seems to be pretty bland and unbalanced. 25 starting renown is a joke and few models can just nuke the whole game. It feels like GW has stopped their work in half way

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>>54020071

Working on painting this converted deathbringer

(yes, i have turned kharne the betrayer into a AoS hero)

Dont expect anything good though guys, im painting my khorne pink.

>>54022684
>>54029501
>>54030305
Best way to fix the issue is to update all the models. Skaven are one of those factions that is unique to warhammer so it would only seem fitting to give them so love and attention, Or you know just do what they do with other factions and look at one aspect of them and expand it out to a whole army e.g fyreslayer being the slayer from whfb but as a whole army.

>>54039192
Yeah hinterlands is way better - skirmish seems broken ( Branchwych)

Today I finally realized just how bad chaos has been handled in AOS.

Khorne:
>generic kill kill kill baddies.
>Fuck adding in any context, just put blood in the name and give them lots of spikes and the edgy kiddies will buy models.
>BLOOD FER THA BLOOD GOD!!! XD EDGEY LOL GIT FUKD NEWB XDXD FUG

Slaanesh:
>kek non existent
>let's keep the fans interested by hinting at it, but then do nothing lololol

Tzeentch:
>actually not that bad

Nurgle:
>only used to emphasize how strong the good guys are. Alarielle is new? Let's have her near effortlessly fuck up one of the big nasties from the end times.

The GREAT Horned Rat:
>only flesh out the clan with 2 infantry units, two heroes and a weak artillery
>metal models

>>54040803

Is it sad that i aggree with you, especially with the khorne things, but i enjoy their models and playing with them?

One of the very few things id change for khorne is add a sprinkle of honour in there. Have a new type of hero who all he/she does is challenge fighters to one on one. (like the old world character who was a viking leader)

>>54040803
skaven is still awesome.

>>54037034
>And?
They already started squating this army.
>So?
Not wn actual army.
>That means the existing stock has finally sold out and is being reboxed.
Nope, when they reboxing you see "temporary out of stock" on GW website.
>>54037958
>The realms belonging to Order would be nothing without the Freeguild to keep the peace, to patrol the borders, and to defend the weak and helpless from bandits and that shit
So they are basically PDf-tier faction.
>but the true backbone of the armies of Order are the Freeguild
Wrong, since SCE operating in Epace Marines legions sizes.

>>54038122
>It's fantasy, they can do whatever tf they want.
Nope, they already described Azyrheim as high-advanced society.
Besides it's just doesn't fit superhero design of all new armies.

>>54041300
>Wrong, since SCE operating in Epace Marines legions sizes.
So what? Even 30k legions had the help of the solar auxilia.

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>>54041300
>Nope, when they reboxing you see "temporary out of stock" on GW website
Did you also know that shit can go "SOLD OUT" only to come back later? It happened before.

>>54041557
>solar auxilia.
Yep, not IG.
>>54041611
>Did you also know that shit can go "SOLD OUT" only to come back later?
Yep, but when legacy goes to reboxing GW didn't write "sold out" on their pages.

>>54041718
>Yep, not IG.
30k IG

>>54041823
>30k IG
And still they are just support pack who didn't fight major battles.
And freeguild aren't solar auxilia they just militia like pdf

>>54042288
>And still they are just support pack who didn't fight major battles.
Not entirely true. It's a simple matter of 30k being a primarch/space marine centered story, therefore the battles of everyone else don't get told. And even when they are involved, the focus will naturally be on the marines.
>And freeguild aren't solar auxilia they just militia like pdf
I don't think the term "militia" fits. Militia implies that they are normal civilians that take to arms when necessary. This doesn't fit Freeguild because they are a professional army.

>>54042657
>It's a simple matter of 30k being a primarch/space marine centered story,
So just like AoS gods/demigods centred story.
>therefore the battles of everyone else don't get told
Yep, and I've seen how one guy played PDF using his IG, does it makes PDF relevant?
>I don't think the term "militia" fits.
They've literally described as militia in compendium

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Question time.

Name your favourite under-rated unit.

I'll start: Knight Questor.
He's also a cheap murder machine in Skirmish play.

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>>54042894
darkshards

>>54042913
>darkshards
>under-rated
Nope

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>>54042945
granted they are shit. But compared to the other elf battleline they are less bad. Occasionally they actually kill things with their two shots each and sometimes make an armor save re-rolling 1s and 2s in melee. But yeah they suck, but suck less than other options enough to be underrated.

>>54042731
>So just like AoS gods/demigods centred story.
Yeah. And? Not being center stage doesn't mean other factions aren't out there fighting.
>Yep, and I've seen how one guy played PDF using his IG, does it makes PDF relevant?
Ok? What exactly are you trying to prove with this?
>They've literally described as militia in compendium
False.

>>54043074
>But compared to the other elf battleline
It's still shit anon, stop playing shit armies.
>>54043152
>Yeah. And?
Freeguild are irrelevant in setting.
>Not being center stage doesn't mean other factions aren't out there fighting.
They aren't fighting, they are just dying.
>Ok? What exactly are you trying to prove with this?
that
>>therefore the battles of everyone else don't get told
not a argument if we are talking factions relevance.
>False.
truth

>>54043313
>It's still shit anon, stop playing shit armies.
maybe in GHB2.0 they will go from being 100 points for 10 to 50 points for 10. A guy can dream.

>>54043349
>A guy can dream.
Then go to other "dreamers" in /wfg/, it's AoS thread

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>>54043313
>>54043381

>>54043522
>fantasycuck talking about faggotry

>>54043313
>Freeguild are irrelevant in setting.
>They aren't fighting, they are just dying.
Ahh, so the forces of Order are losing all their territory because it's defenders are useless? Damn shame.
Oh wait.
That's not what happens at all.
>truth
Screen shot it then. Because I'm not seeing it.

>>54043608
>That's not what happens at all.
It's exactly what happenned before Stormcasts.
>Screen shot it then.
Highborne compendium

>>54043701
>>54043792
>Basing freeguild lore off the the elf compendium
>Not empire compendium
Really dude? The Freeguild units are all humans.

>>54043829
I posted this >>54043792 because I think it contradicts what this guy >>54043701 is saying.

>>54043792
>raising militia armies
>>54043829
And just as dispossesed and alefs they just militia of Azyrheim

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>>54043870
everyone knows this guy is trolling right?

where the mods at?

>>54043900
>everyone knows this guy is trolling right?
Where exactly?
Also, why do you guys think that factions who didn't get any piece of lore beyond compendium's intrduction for 3 years will have any future?

>>54031088
>>54030733

>>54031062
>>54030582

Don't listen to this retard. He honestly probably saw you talking about 500 MODELS and thought that you were talking about points.

Putting aside how fucking stupid this is, Freeguild (The Empire replacement) has a bunch of good troop choices and battalions. If you could list what you currently have I can tell you a good 1k or 2k point list. Since you have so many straight battleline options in Freeguild it should be easy for you to build straight FG or branch out in general Order.

>>54043870
The dispossessed aren't militia either. What are you smoking?

>>54043918
This is why summer campaign and sales are good..

The more people that click the email notifications on out of stock the sooner it happens

>>54044068
>500 MODELS
Yeah my bad, seriously, I apologize for it, but he should start actual army anyway.
>>54044117
>The dispossessed aren't militia either.
They are, dispossessed are living in Azyrheim cities, they are militia, not professionals soldiers (like fireslayers or kharadon overlords who actually plays role in setting and fighting against Chaos).

>>54044274
>This is why summer campaign and sales are good..
Excuse me?

>>54044301
New GW uses marketing.. Thus stronger sales/data a faction has the more likely to see updates.

>>54044324
>Thus stronger sales/data a faction has the more likely to see updates.
So 100% no future for legacy armies since they are unpopular.

I got into aos recently after playing warhammer TW, really liked the empire. I picked myself up an empire battalion off of ebay a few days ago. What should I add to get on a functional level so I don't get fucked up?

In the battalion box:
x20 spearmen
x8 empire knights
x1 cannon/mortar
x1 general
x18 handgunners

>>54044495
>What should I add to get on a functional level so I don't get fucked up?
>empire
Literally nothing.
Advice: don;t pick armies without their own battletome

>>54044495
Empire in AoS is now Freeguild. Their main strength is shooting. Lots of handgunners, some cannons, and freeguild guard with swords and shields to serve as meat shields are the typical and most effective set up. Demigryph knights and a general on griffon are worth looking into as well for some extra combat power. If you want some magic elements, some battlemages are always useful and the celestial hurricanum is fantastic. You can find the rules for all the units for free on GWs site.

>>54044583
>Freeguild
>strength is shooting.

>>54019334
Relevant? In what way?
did we actually get mentioned in the fluff once? i doubt well get a buff in the new book if thats what you mean.

Then again, at least it looks like lizards are finally getting access to path to gloy

>>54044495
>I got into aos recently after playing warhammer TW,
Go into 9th Age or Kings of War if you want to have the same feel in your games as in TW Warhammer.

If you want to start AoS it is best to play one of the "new" armies.

>>54045077
>9th Age
Stop shilling your shit rules

>>54044583
Hurricanum is so good that most order armies try to run one if they can

>>54045101
Did 9th age ever evolve past the "Guys in charge realize they're in charge so they make all their favorite armies the good ones" stage?

>>54033635
>that AoS will be 40k sidekick, not a new flagship
But because of it the playerbase already diminished playerbase is either stagnating or even shrinking.
Which is totally deadly for any table top game. Look at mantic or PP how they are struggeling.

The only new things that are produced en mass with shitton of new releases each month. are historics. Which sucks because of all those "this is not the right colour of german camo green" fags.

And with the shrinking playerbase even more people will flock to 40k since it is one of the few games that has a players in nearly every town and city.

>>54038671
Noice

>>54045127
Honestly the best way to rectify this is to give AoS more releases. The whole "Half year on, half year off" thing they tried is a bad Idea since it leaves players of both games irritated, and the fact that 40k's "Half years" have been back to back with only Kharadons for new shit is fucking bullshit. Basically, if they go back to the schedule they had this time last year, they'll be fine, but since they decided to have last year's winter be ALL 40k and this year's spring ALSO be mostly 40k..

>>54045127
>or even shrinking.
It didn't, players returning into 40k because GW wants them to return, when they tired with 8th edition they will switch back to AoS

>>54045101
Mentioning its existence is not shilling you idiot.

Okay question: what other games are out that are mass miniature fantasy table top games with fank and file (aka formations with flanks and so on) like int TW warhammer besides 9th age and KoW?

I love how this general went from; Guys play whatever you think is fun, embrace building your dudes to; Straightjacket no fun allowed only play Battletome armies.

>>54044324
>citation: your ass

>>54045168
>>54045127
Have you guys considered that the amount of releases we are getting is more tied to amount of man power available and not some evil scheme? They can only produce so much stuff a year, and this is also the year they are relaunching 40k in a fashion not seen in the last decade.

The amount of conspiracies in these GW threads is off the fucking chain.

>>54045246
>to; Straightjacket no fun allowed only play Battletome armies
Yep, it's a good advice. How can you advice someone to invest their money and time in unsupported armies?

>>54045277
I never said anything about a conspiracy. I was more trying to imply poor planning and a lack of foresight

>>54045289
I have a different definition of 'unsupported'. I don't subscribe to the nu-AoS mentality of needing constant releases to feel validated in my choice of plastic soldiers. Which might be because I'm not a 12 year-old CoD player.
>>54045307
It becomes a conspiracy when people are attributing all kinds of wicked schemes and strategies to a gap of about a month in releases. Seriously, we just had Kharadron Overlords, and now it's 40k for a few months probably. Which is fine, it's a new edition for their flagship product.
But people in these threads are screaming bloody murder like WE"RE GETTING CANNCELLED BOIYS even though they announced new supplements and books.

>>54045330
>I have a different definition of 'unsupported'.
That's your problem, not other anons

>>54045330
I honestly just think it was poor planning. They're dragging the release of 40k 8e out a bit longer than it's needed and half of the AoS releases we've gotten this year aren't even reboxes, they're just more crap for bloodbound and Stormcasts. I'm just saying it'd be nice for them to get a good release schedule for both games.
Or at least for forge world to put out those damn fimir models we saw last year, I KNOW THEY'RE DONE YOU ASSHOLES. THERE BETTER BE A PAYOFF FOR THIS SHIT

>>54045372
>they're just more crap for bloodbound and Stormcasts.
Bitch please, the've already released sa lot of other armies

>>54045219
Warmahorde from PP

They try too hard at copying GW products

>>54045429
Yeah, but year two and having a boatload of armies with no updates, including the near entirety of one faction does not sound like a good time to update the first two armies that were released

>>54045372
>I honestly just think it was poor planning.
Oh come on they need to compete with Star Wars, that's why they focusing on 40k

>>54045467
>a boatload of armies with no updates
Such as..?

>>54045490
Most of the legacy stuff.

>>54045330
It is not their release schedule that worries me. It was the half assed start combined with being totally overshadowed by 40k.

The cold hearted killing of Fantasy (and yes 8th edition was horrible) and the "muh sigmarines" hurt the playerbase. The new releases like the steampunk dwarfs are actually really cool. Also there is nor dening that the the ifrst rules were a bloody mess.

GW did a lot to improve AoS, but I don't think the wider audiance sees this.

Yeah. I fear that the game might die in like 2 years

>>54045504
>legacy
Here is your problem.

>>54045517
>might die in like 2 years
Or they just keep shitting out Battletomes. Man, AoS lore is boring as fuck.

>>54045517

Killing Fantasy in the way they did hurt the entire image of GW, a lot of people had their bubble popped that day.

>>54045372
>Longer than it's needed
Honestly, as a marketing proffesional I think they are taking the appropriate amount of time for it.

GW massively fucked up the original release of AoS though. I think they learned a lot of lessons from that which they've implemented for the 40k launch.

>>54045480
Release pipeline is about 2 years for new miniatures. Don't think they plan around Star Wars. Aside from the fact that they have released Sci-fi stuff for years on end, nothing has changed since Star Wars came around, plus thinking that a new Star Wars will increase 40k traffic is kinda stupid.

>>54045452
Warmahordes doesn't do rank and file though. Back in MK1 they had tight (block formation), open (maintain 3" coherency) and skirmish (maintain 1" coherency) formations for their units, but that went away when MK2 happened.

>>54045647
>Release pipeline is about 2 years for new miniatures.
So right when X-wing dethroned 40k

>>54045683
>So right when X-wing dethroned 40k
Correlation does not imply causation

And how do we define 'dethroned' in this scenario? We can all agree that 8th and AoS were responses and corrections of the course of the games. But saying it was because of game X is a bit thin when we don't have any extra proof.

>>54045721
>And how do we define 'dethroned' in this scenario?
Showed that 40k isn't invinsible outside GW-stores

>>54045630
>hurt the entire image of GW
I really think this is a huge issue. Sure there are a shitton of ex-fantasy neckbeards that wouldn't touch AoS even if the rules were good, the mintures nice, etc. etc.

GW alienated a not so small portion of the overall playerbase on the longterm. Rebuilding trust will be hard.

On the bright side. There are no real condenders. Warmahords is dropping fast, Mantic is a joke, 9th age an even bigger joke. And noone has the shekels to build up a new good mass miniature fantasy table top game with lore, artwork and a miniature line.

So yeah ...even if AoS isn't good, there is no one that could fuck it over.

>>54046151
>Warmahords is dropping fast,
Still above AoS
>And noone has the shekels to build up a new good mass miniature fantasy table top game with lore, artwork and a miniature line.
You really think that people chose game because of genre not because of popularity-models-rules?

>>54046151
GW has and will probably always have scale and quality on their side. They might not have the 'indie credit' anymore but they are one of the few companies that can actually do the monthly releases of high quality miniatures on that scale.

It's just a shame they dropped the ball so hard on the AoS launch. Esspecially on the communication/PR side of things. Imagine that they launched AoS in the same fashion as they did with 40k. With blogs, announcements, streams, pre-prepped books for all the exisiting factions.

The only thing that the AoS launch had going for it, was that everything was free for your existing army, but that was about it.
>>54046225
Normies, ergo probably 80% of new customers. choose a game because it looks cool. People on forums really have crazy tunnel vision when it comes to most things. When I look at the people that I introduced to various Geek hobbies over the years it was always: That looks cool, what is it? If they were interested in the general concept, they'd buy some stuff. Nobody I have ever met passed on Warhammer because of balance, or other bullshit. They just don't like to paint miniatures. Or hate Sci-fi/Fantasy

>>54046243
>Normies, ergo probably 80% of new customers.
Nope, most of AoS players are 40k players.
>choose a game because it looks cool.
Yep and sci-fi more popular than fantasy.

>>54046261
>Nope, most of AoS players are 40k players.
What are you basing that on? Just this board and forums? Cuz that's an awfully small filter bubble.

>>54046225
I play KoW because fantasy formation battles. As a painter/ builder I really enjoy the possibilies of multibases. And the official "play as" rule

>>54046306
>Just this board and forums?
Community in my city/
But nevermind, my point was that genre identity itself isn't really big question for customers. usually people who likes fantasy also likes some sci-fi settings.

>>54040803
khorne has lots of context in its battletome, but i guess when you shitpost you dont care about that

slaneesh exists, we just havent gotten around to her part of the story yet. Slaneesh followers are torn between
1. Trying to become the new Slaneesh
2. Thinking Archaon is the new Slaneesh
3. Looking for the old Slaneesh
4. Trying to stop the great horned rats ascendancy

>>54044594
He's right though, Freeguild are only really good at shooting. Their melee is very lackluster.

>>54044863
seraphon allegiance is in the new generals handbook

seraphon are a mid tier army at best right now, hopefully this makes lizards great again

>>54046990
>Their melee is very lackluster.
So as their shooting

>>54047007
Their shooting isn't bad. Hurricanum, buffed squads of handgunners, and cannons are decent.

It's not as good as Skyfires, Longstrikes, and Thundertusks... but then nothing else in the game is as good as those units

>>54047019
I think that is the essence of the problem, anything not at the level of the top tier unit in its spec is considered 'shit'. Which is probably the same reason why some anons in these generals declare that every faction is shit aside from a small amount of factions that have access to those top-tier units.

>>54047019
>It's not as good as Skyfires, Longstrikes, and Thundertusks...
Which means it's bad. If army isn't top it's a bad army and you shouldn't invest in it especially if future is very-very doubtable (but it's pretty obvious that they wouldn;t get any update except of copypaste from 1st GHB)