/WMG/ Warmachine and Hordes General

Why don't you guys just play 8th edition 40K now that Warmahordes has gone to shit?

>>54019144
It might actually still be better playing this ded gaem than ever playing the abortion that is 8th edition. Enjoy your spacemans.

>>54019129

Hey where'd the other thread go?

>>54019144
It hasn't gone *that* much to shit yet. It's a long, shitty way to reach GW.

>>54019574
Buried under a tide of Magic spoilers and manlybigspace marineman power level discussions

...the card database, it's useful....

>>54019144
This is a reasonable question, however SPACEMARINESSPACEMARINESSPACEMARINESSPACEMARINESSPACEMARINESSPACEMARINESSPACEMARINESSPACEMARINESSPACEMARINESSPACEMARINESSPACEMARINESSPACEMARINESSPACEMARINESSPACEMARINESSPACEMARINESSPACEMARINESSPACEMARINESSPACEMARINESSPACEMARINESSPACEMARINESSPACEMARINESSPACEMARINESSPACEMARINESSPACEMARINESSPACEMARINESSPACEMARINESSPACEMARINESSPACEMARINESSPACEMARINESSPACEMARINESSPACEMARINESSPACEMARINESSPACEMARINESSPACEMARINESSPACEMARINESSPACEMARINESSPACEMARINESSPACEMARINESSPACEMARINESSPACEMARINESSPACEMARINESSPACEMARINESSPACEMARINESSPACEMARINESSPACEMARINES

>>54019898
I mean, it's got the cards you couldn't get otherwise.
I get the feeling they can't decide if they would rather just make WarRoom mandatory, since uploading a database of images can't be THAT complicated.

>>54019945
Whenever Chaos isn't in the story, somebody should be asking "Where's Chaos?"

>>54019696
PP *is* working hard to catch up though.
Then again, with the Grymkin shit I am maybe still too salty...

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I've noticed that at my LGS all the Khador players are fat dads, and all the Circle players are cute girls.

If i want to play against Skorne I have to drive out to the hood.

>>54020042
I haven't really kept up with the lore or the game at large, really) since Vinter died, but I saw this and have to ask, is Severius dead?

>>54020042
The only girl in our playgroup, is a landwhale close to 60. Playing Menoth.

Everyone else is either fat and/or has bad teeth, except for me, a cryx player with a glorious beard and the super buff dude who just started Trolls with his 11ish son.

We're all having fun though.

>>54020119
Severius is dead. Don't CQC w/ hexeris.

>>54020199
Huh. Doesn't really seem like his style to go into melee. Shame, too. I remember liking his characterization.
Now what? Protectorate civil war? I can't imagine Flamebitch being too keen on not getting to be boss, but I also doubt the other people would want her in charge.

>>54019129

ded game, ded thread

>>54019129
Uh oh, no Skorne changes. I wonder how long we'll have to wait for Skorne anon to show up and throw a fit?

"Supreme Kommandant Irusk
Replace the second sentence of the Artifice of Deviation spell with the following:

While completely within the AOE, friendly Faction models gain cover.

'The wording changed to “completely within” because the number of models able to take advantage of the cover-granting AOE was higher than we originally intended. This change also brings this spell in line with The Dreamer’s version of the spell.' "

Wow, poor Irusk. He was already unplayable because none of the themes funtion with him and now he gets nerfhammered?

ouch.

>>54020432
Skorne got changes, they're just not in the Core Rules Errata Document. They're in the first link in the OP though.

The Battle Engine CID rules are official now, and the Skorne BE is a badass, like it should have been. My only regret is that it isn't considered a "Venerator" model, for the theme force and the Dakar.

Mordikaar-anon will literally bitch about anything though, so maybe this won't be good enough for him. Fuck, that dude thinks the Mortitheurge Willbreaker is bad for some godawful reason.

>>54020590
Actually he works great with all 3. It sucks that its not as good as before, but irusk works with every single theme.

He likes min jacks and kayazy (energizer)
He likes wgi
And likes legion of steel.

Hes still an A+ ranked caster

I'm just happy Children of the Dragon lets you take Azrael and Zuriel. Makes that theme much more attractive (read, at all) in my opinion. Now if only we could get Megalith in Bones of Orboros...

>>54020755
>Winter Guard Kommand
No target for Battle Lust
>Jaws of the Wolf
No target for FFE and no benefits for spamming infanrty
>Legion of Steel
No target for FFE and Tactician is redundant with Markov being a "duh purchase" model.

next.

>>54020931
Azrael is probably my favorite character beast/'jack. He seems so badass, despite just being ok on the table.

>>54021022
I'd rate him higher than okay. His range is a bit short but he hits like a mac truck, supplies a helpful animus into the mirror and vs Menoth, and lots of casters have buffs for him.

>>54020931
and Brickhouse in Heavy Metal...

>>54021194
I can accept that.

>>54020293
>Now what?

Menothbowl
Get hype!

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>>54020293
MEGATRON IS DEAD
THAT MAKES ME THE NEW LEADER OF THE PROTEC-I mean-DECEPTICONS

>>54020967
You put BL on winterguard so you can use Joe and BL to unfuck themselves out.

>>54021307
You shut your whore mouth Feora. Vindictus is the true Starscream of Protectorate.

>>54021307
Feora more like Fedora.

>>54020641
>Fuck, that dude thinks the Mortitheurge Willbreaker is bad for some godawful reason.
Because it exists purely to compensate for our other models being so shit in the first place, Anon.

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Why exactly would Feora being in charge of the Protectorate be a bad thing?

>"Oh shit Hexeris1 can take back fury from ANY dead warbeast, so Zaadesh1 has good synergy with him! This means he isn't as niche as I thought!"
>Double check the wording on Hexeris1's ability
>Turns out he really can only take fury from ENEMY warbeasts
God just give me a fucking break.

>>54021826
It wouldn't be. The massive civil war which she would gladly orchestrate to get in charge is what's going to fuck over the country.

>>54021862
Nobody said the medicine would taste good, only that it would do you good.

>>54021884
The Proectorate under Vindy was doing pretty well. There are now a number of people who might replace them, and some of those people might even be willing to come to power without butchering all who oppose them. Feora is not one of those people.

>>54021849
Hexy1's thing is best used counter your opponent throwing a warbeast with maxed Fury at you, letting him burn most of his fury and still having some to camp.

Trying to do anything else with it is pointless.

>>54021826
The fact that she doesn't give a shit about the faith, the nation or the people beyond how they can give her more power is a pretty negative factor, I'd say.
There are plenty of people in the Protectorate that are savy leaders without being trecherous, power-hungry brutes.

>>54021327
they are not going to hit anything.

>>54021978
But my opponent is Karchev.

>>54020415
Come on buddy, we even tolerate dead horses like AOS and 40k here

>>54022052
Where does it say she doesn't care about those things? She's just very, very ambitious.

>>54022582
Well, every other protectorate character has in some form illustrated their stance on its people and such.
- Vindictus hates wasting the faithful and goes out of his way to recruit heathens to their cause in hopes of saving their souls
- Malakus will lay down his life for even a single nobody if asked
- Durst is a fucking paladin
- Reznik has no fucks to give about individual people, but he's all the more faithful and the protectorate can rely upon him utterly
- Kreoss is torn between his service to the protectorate and his desire to help people, but he knows that when push comes to shove he'll put the nation above the people
Meanwhile, all of Feora's dialogue and thoughts go like this:
>Does this increase my standing in the church? Am I not being skipped for promotion? Hopefully nobody has found out I am betraying everybody! How can I exploit this situation to leverage my personal army into more positions of power? Would it benefit me if these vital war supplies were delayed or rerouted for the time being?
We never see her being concerned for the nation or its populace in any shape or form beyond what directly affects her career. No genuine prayer or anything, either.

>>54022942
You can chalk that up to bad (ie. one-note) character building. We're not sure about her motivations yet, just that she *really* wants to lead the nation, to the point of almost standing up to the Visgoths.

>>54023099

I see it more as a variant on the "when all you have is a hammer" problem.

She's got a purview over the citizen militia and interior defense as her political infighting tools. Wielding that toward political ends is going to involve being an utter *dick*.

Chipping in on a Cygnaran coup was the thing that almost got her, and that was probably the least dickish thing she's done regarding the Protectorate.

>>54020967

>No target for FFE

Behemoth is one of the best 'jacks to bring in Jaws, and one of the best possible targets for FFE.

>>54023389
... And why don't you just allocate Behemoth a focus?

>>54022226
This is what Joe is for

hey /tg/,
I'm gonna be running an IKRPG campaign soon with a new group. I'm fairly at home with warmachine rules, but never played IKRPG before. do you have any advice so that it won't go up in flames? also, what home rules do you use in your group, if any?

btw, the party is mostly human, llaelese resistance.

>>54023410
Because you put him on a Mecha Santa for those sweet, sweet, blessed and magical damage shots. Also being pow 16 on the bombards is excellent

>>54021826
She's a woman

>>54019144
Because 8th ed is still terrible, just terrible in a slightly different way.

>>54023584
#I'mWithHer

>>54020199

What even made him want to go pick a fight with the Skorne anyway?

>>54023796
Hexxy was besieging Tower Judgement.

>>54023825

What is even at the Tower of Judgement?

I've heard of the Skorne having clashes there with the Protectorate in the past.

This might sound like a stupid question, but if warbeasts cost a considerable amount of points more than warjacks, how are hordes factions meant to deal with warjack spam?

>>54021826

There's a few people that she's technically betrayed to their deaths that managed to survive the process. They wield political power inside the Protectorate. If Feora is in charge, there's going to be a civil war. Time to let the dream go, not that she will.

>more likely, she'll resolve to get even *better* at treachery

>>54023850
Religious people, some surrounding farmland, and a pretty defensible tower.

For my money though, I think Makeda sent Hexxy to bait out some important Protectorate people and kill/capture them in order to destabilize the nation. He succeeded in pretty much the most significant way possible.

>>54023888

Make them commit first, screen with your infantry to ensure it. Hit them first, and start trading a half-step ahead. Screen with your infantry anyway.

>>54023912

Didn't his army take substantial losses?

Not that it means much unless he lost something like a Mammoth or Desert Hydra.

>>54023944
How do I make them commit first? Anything I can do they can do, except if they force me to commit first I auto lose whereas they don't.

>>54023966
>Didn't his army take substantial losses?

Everyone dead except him. Sevvy got to channel Menoth's fury one last time before he died. However, the chaos his death will bring would be more than worth the trade for the Skorne.

>>54023966

He lost a Mammoth.

>>54023966
He lost almost everything.

Severius went up like a nuke as he died, raised every single dead Menite nearby, and bathed the Skorne in a tidal wave of Menoth's fire.

>>54023971

Infantry screen, and a sacrificial heavy that takes just a little bit more than one focus'd up warjack to take out is standard bait.

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>>54024006
>>54024023
>Skorne invade Ios
>make considerable gains
>then the champion of a god returns to life, explodes into an ice nuke that sends them running and brings a huge number of dead defenders back to life

>Skorne invade Menoth
>make considerable gains
>then the champion of a god dies, explodes into a fire nuke that sends them running and brings a huge number of dead defenders back to life

>>54024016

Now how'd that happen?

>>54024062

Bear in mind that "hordes infantry screen" includes everything between Sentry Stones and Praetorian Karax.

>>54024086
Literally requires divine intervention to stop the Skorne.

I'm gonna laugh when Feora ascends as a scion of Thamar. To the reveal of a Thamarite faction.

>>54024086

Yes, but the Skorne still have a presence in Ios, so that's something.

Though really I think it's more or less the events of Devastation than undid the Skorne invasion of Ios more than some divine act on the behalf of the Iosan gods.

>>54024108
If this happens I will be so fucking happy.

>>54023944

>Generic advice that means shit on the table

Classic Warmachine internet expert

>>54024086

That wasn't even the half-war point.

>>54024087

Imer-on-the-Volga.

>>54024112
Skorne have a presence in the uninhabited mountains bordering Ios.

They're not really holding any useful land. Though I guess even the rocky outskirts of Ios are fruitful and mild by their standards.

>>54024108
>Fiona is super fucking butthurt about the Menite bitch becoming a scion and not her

>>54024143

>Imer-on-the-Volga.

I'm surprised they could actually reach it.

I remember in the lore that Arkadius and his posse almost got hit by a Mammoth's siege bombardment from quite a ways away when they were picking through that Skorne column they ambushed.

>>54024129

Without more details I can only give out the principle. That the principle- Warjacks are cheaper, but Hordes has access to economical infantry (and/or effects) to screen their beasts. Screen your beasts, make them come to you (or hit them first, if you're legion). Screen, you dolt.

There's no outsmarting the problem, but the solution is there to access.

>>54024145

Aren't those mountains resource rich?

I remember Morghoul and his blood runners seizing a valuable mine that contained resources that seemed to be of interest to them.

>>54023495
Don't allow characters of opposing faiths.
Don't listen to warcasters whining about having no jacks.
Don't let them change things to Mk3 rules.

>>54024223
They missed a prime opportunity to have Morghoul and Garryth hunting one another in the dark there.

>>54024354
>Don't allow characters of opposing faiths.
this won't be a problem.

>Don't listen to warcasters whining about having no jacks.
how come? I'm planning to have them be facing jacks in the future.

>Don't let them change things to Mk3 rules.
yeah, probably won't.

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>>54024199

>I'm surprised they could actually reach it.

Eh, where else are they supposed to go from the Tower of Judgement?

>>54024607

I meant the Mammoth.

Unless Hexeris sent it to batter down the tower gates or something, the Protectorate shouldn't have been able to reach it given it given it's artillery has some fair range to it.

>>54024212
>Without more details I can only give out the principle

That's all you have. Let's look at Trolls for your economical infantry.

>Fennblades 20 points
>Kriels 11 points

Yes, that's right. 11 effective Fenns that are 12/14 POW 12s for 20 points. That's two Khador heavies. Will they kill a Khador heavy? No. Nice trade up!

Or Kriels. 11 points for MAT 5, SPD 5 12/15 infantry that are POW 10s. I'll take a Juggernaut that's cheaper, thanks.

The principle is Privateer has no idea how to balance their game. Don't toss out bullshit that means absolutely nothing on the table.

Out of the major tournaments in the last few months...out of the 18 or so top placings, there have been 5-6 Hordes players? And guess what? None had infantry screens like you're advocating?

They do have something in common though. Spam. They pick the one cheapest option in their faction, take a warlock that can damage buff it (Or throw a Mauler in every list right?), and hope they have a timewalk feat.

This game is so fucking predictable anymore and you are way off point.

>>54024921

>and then there's this asshole

>>54024921
>Out of the major tournaments in the last few months...out of the 18 or so top placings, there have been 5-6 Hordes players? And guess what? None had infantry screens like you're advocating?

Ok, you're either a Troll, a troll, or a retard. Stop being wrong on the internet, stop being bad at gamez in the general.

>>54025035
>DiscountGames
>He's right

>>54024996

Sorry the game is so weak now. I'm upset about that too.

>>54025067

No, he isn't. He really isn't. "Who you going to believe, thread-shitting anon or your own lying eyes" isn't.

>>54024921
>I'll take a Juggernaut that's cheaper, thanks.
Yeah but your Juggernaut can't RFP a bunch of undead pirates every turn.

Turns out different units have different uses and strengths

>>54025093

>Rocky Mountain Rumble
>1st Cryx
>2nd Cryx
>3rd Legion (Fyanna Neraph spam)

>Italian Masters
>1st Cryx
>2nd Ret
>3rd Cygnar

>Kingdomcon
>1st Circle (One unit in each)
>2nd Khador
>3rd Legion (both beast bricks/neraph spam)

Grotscon
>1st Ret
>2nd Cygnar
>3rd Khador
>4th Mercs


Boy, there are sure a lot of Hordes players there running all of those terrific infantry screens and performing so well.

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>>54025609

So you're argument that infantry are good...is that arguing that a Theme list benefit that gives RFP...is good because there is another Theme list that has recursion.

What a place Warmachine is in. We just need Themes to beat Themes. Sweet.

>>54025839

I think he's arguing that reducto-ad-armor-cracking vs. points expended for warrior models is at best, naive/just a little dumb.

>>54025811

Infantry that screens is a screen, you fool. A god damned *Hellmouth* is a screen (but legion can get away with predictable alphas).

>and I've attended masters this year that were murderers rows of hordes- Discount Games is bad enough without anon cherry picking- which anon did

>>54026102
>A god damned *Hellmouth* is a screen

lol, you started talking about how to take infantry screens to protect your heavies. Now Hellmouths....move those goal posts :^)

>Light warbeasts too! They're basically big solos!
>Battle engines too!
>Legion is special!

Sorry data doesn't back your internet expertise anon. And by the way, earlier when you were suggesting RFP when I talked about Trollblood Fenns/Kriels....sorry they don't have RFP. It's a theme benefit that's being taken...because of another theme.

It's rock paper scissor theme fun time. Great job PP

>>54026281
Are... Are you arguing the Hellmouth isn't an infantry unit?

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>>54026281
>Hellmouths not a screen
>There literal sole purpose is to plop down somewhere and discourage moving around them.
You're an idiot. And I'm not even the person you're talking to.

>>54026328
>There
Fuck, now my whole argument is invalidated.

>>54026281

There are no goal posts to move, you are just very bad at hordes and blaming your faction.

>>54024091
>Bear in mind that "hordes infantry screen" includes everything between Sentry Stones and Praetorian Karax.


And from what you've been saying it was pretty clear early on all you had was data from Discount Games, that you went on to omit the bits of it that showed up your whining.

>>54026328
>Original argument was anon telling another player to take infantry units to screen warbeasts
>Argument was about Trolls too

You can't fucking read autist.

>>54026292
See above

>>54026374

I literally went down the list from the top, skipping a team tournament (that also showed the same) because I figured I'd get the "Team tournaments don't matter!" argument.

And I play in a very competitive southern meta, have placed and beat WTC players. I bet you're like the typical old forum poster, that argues for days but probably doesn't even know the fucking rules.

I'm not sure why I'm even wasting captcha time on you at this point.

>>54026374
>>54026414

In fact, I'm not going to waste any more time. Back to the regular scheduled Skorne bitching and other cancerous posts that the Warmachine community produces.

But from the dwindling numbers at cons, not much longer I guess.

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>>54026414
>I'm a big deal in my local meta
So you're a cunt is what you're saying?

>>54026281

Not Fennblade anon, anon. Skorne-anon that can't really get how you could miss the "your beasts are easy to hit and kind of expensive vis-a-vis warjacks, so stick something that isn't too easy to kill right in front of them" thing. Try it. Things are going to die, but you can control the order that it happens if you try.

And Discount Games... isn't complete.

>>54026385
>Hellmouths
>Not infantry
Is there something I'm missing here, or are you one of those "not Infantry unless it's small based" faggots?
And you're the one that brought up Trolls?!

>>54026440
He's the big kid on the playground is what he's saying

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>>54026548
So what you're saying is He's a big guy?

To be fair the reason those lists don't have any infantry is because that's how those dudes like to play.

I doubt JVM owns a single legionaire or grotesque. So whether it's effective isn't really substantiated. Those guys aren't going to play legion with troops and they aren't going to play out of theme when there is a beast heavy list that gives free support.

Circle is mostly the same deal. Dudes from mk2 don't want to change up how they play, even though everyone was pushed out of their factions comfort zone.

Trolls are in a bit of a bad spot because 15 point super killers aren't the best answer to box spam. Warmers play fine though and a balanced troll list can do alright. The whole super focus on fury I think is a mistake. Your already overlooking, what's the point? That and calandra is top tier horseshit. I don't care what anyone says.

Skorne went from bad to ok. List building is easier because you don't have to layer support anymore, but it's the same overkill problem. I think their infantry is better though and a good theme will bring them up a lot. Zaal2 is also one of the best questions in the game, people just don't drop him hard in the Canadian and Midwest-west coast meta. They tend to be the zeitgeist for the "top tier lists" that shape the satellite metas.

>>54026657
Tell me about anon, why does he field the Rask?

Stupid autocorrect. I meant warders are ok, and overkilling, not overlooking.

>>54026548
I feel like a lot of internet experts are like this. It's important to be self aware and realize when you are a 'big' fish in a small pond.

Ultimately, your meta doesn't matter, your lists are trash, and we all suck at this game.

>>54026694
>Circle is mostly the same deal
You're mostly right but if feel like Wolf Sworn and sentry stones may want to have a word with you.

>>54026694
>I doubt JVM owns a single legionaire or grotesque

That is hilariously fucking stupid. This is proof positive this board doesn't have a fucking clue about top level play.

JVM made 'the' machinations of shadow list for Legion, which was cookie cutter for every Vayl player in Mk 2. Which included a full unit of Legionnaires to feed the pot.

And I've played against that list (with JVM). You have no fucking idea what you're talking about.

>>54027124
>You have no fucking idea what you're talking about.
/wmhg/ in a nutshell

>>54020967
Man, 4chan really sucks at warmachine.

You have destroyers for ffe, marshalled or not, wgi are only 1 point damage less then pikemen under joe so excelent, and just because there is tactitian overlap doesnt make all the other amazing stuff irusk provides useless.

>>54027616

>You have destroyers for ffe,

What about Behemoth and Demolisher for that too?

And how well does Fire For Effect stack with the Winter Guard Artillery Captain?

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Since Storm Raptor nests are found near the Abyss, whats stopping the Skorne from bending those creatures to their will as they would a Mammoth or Desert Hydra?

>>54028352
Adult Raptors are supposed to be almost intracable, and their nests are nearly impossible to find.

>>54027568
Internet in a nutshell.
Planet in a nutshell.

>>54028352
They know how shitty its rules are.

>>54027999
Its redundant with the behemoth, and the demolisher is very short ranged.

Artillery captain can acc buff warjack aoes on top of ffe

>>54027616
>wgi are only 1 point damage less then pikemen under joe so excelent

You know, except for that MAT 7. And that CMA. And that 2" melee reach. And that crit knockdown.

>>54029178
The argument is that they're a target for the spell and an option for old man Irusk. Not that they're better than iron fangs in melee combat.

That's just silly

>>54022942
>>54023099
Feora's character was literally defined during the Invasion of Sul as how she was willing to "sacrifice" (see: murder) an entire churches worth of FAITHFUL Sul Menite civilians by collapsing the church down on them and Stryker just so SHE could run away some more.

Feora is a fucking scum sucking whore of a character that really need that story arc that kicks her cunt into new shape and down an entire flight of pegs.

>>54024086
Well that's what you get for being dune baboon inserts that get the mary sue treatment just to "make considerable gains." They're a bad guy faction, the way they're written is par for the course.

or did you REALLY think dropping a mammoth on a giant wall off a mountain was somehow anything other than writer favoritism?

>>54029628
The mammoth bit was less favoritism and more the writers having no concept of what the fuck.

The mammoth falling on that shit is only the beginning of what's wrong with that scene.

>>54029668
WHY DID THEY BUILD A WALL RIGHT NEXT TO A HIGH CLIFF

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>>54029611
>down an entire flight of pegs
I read that as 'an entire flight of pogs" first and was confused but also entertained by the mental image.

>>54027124

It was hex hunters and you are a stupid cunt.

>>54030269
PP just couldn't think of a way for dudes without guns to win against dudes with the best guns in a siege scenario.

So they turned one side into morons.

>>54031521
I think skorna actually has some guns.

>>54031852

Skorne has a lot of guns.

They could be fielding Red Army style shock infantry better than Khador could if it was at all Hoksune.

>>54031420

Fucking wrong. You need to git gud, get the fuck off the internet ya fat slob

>>54031852
They do, but they don't use them the same way.

You have to be their equivalent of a low-tier scumbag to operate a ranged weapon as a skorne.

>>54032466

They don't let that get in the way of having a proper siege train, though. It's ok for Mammoths and Titans to damn their immortal souls by operating artillery. Somebody has to knock holes in walls for the sword-swingers to go through, after all.

Funnily enough i would say that a mammoth is probably the best gargossal for seiges.

Have it just roll a huge boulder and hide behind it. Or a large metal shield. Possibly a large metal shield with stairs at the back that then you lean at a wall to make a natural staircase.

>>54028352

Skorne doesn't actually breed Mammoths or Desert Hydas. They barely breed Aradus, that's about as sustainable, mass-producible, and militarily useful as it gets for their heavy warbeasts. (Send down parties to slaves to raid the egg-chambers of known Aradus hives, hatch the eggs and train the resulting termite-monsters for war. The thing about it is that it's a reliable "transaction"- X slaves yielding X/A Heavy Warbeasts in an acceptable timeframe, with no practical upper limit.)

Titans you have to wait around for your elephants to have sex and raise their young, and that'll never get you a Bronzeback on demand. But anytime you decide to spend a hundred slaves, in an acceptable timeframe you'll have some PS18 attacks, before buffs. Spend a thousand, you'll have more.

If they don't figure out how to utilize fullblooded Trolls as warbeasts, I think going Bug in a major way is what Skorne needs to do to keep up with industrialized opponents.

>>54030269

The cliff was there because the wall wasn't sited as a fortification, it was blocking a pass. The pass had the cliff. They put another fort on that cliff. Epic Morghoul won that match, crammed his battlegroup on it, and one fell off the 3-D hill and ruined the gamestate of the multi-caster all-day game going on in the other table.

>use 2-d terrain, scrubs

>>54033198

>If they don't figure out how to utilize fullblooded Trolls as warbeasts,

I assumed they were, but they were just being used as slave labor alongside the Trollkin.

I'm kind of wondering if they can bend creatures like the Argus, Warp Wolves, Dire Trolls, Gator warbeasts and Farrow warbeasts to their will now that I think about it.

If they can do so to a Giant, then I'm sure a warbeast would be a trivial challenge.

They probably cant use trolls because of the whole "regenerate and adapt to terrain" thing.

So most of their way of torture is lost on a creature that simply regenerates most of its pain away.

Also they bleed whelps which is a nuisance to an organized army

>>54033898

>they bleed whelps which is a nuisance to an organized army

Sounds like a steady supply of warbeast feed to me.

Food for the Cyclops, Basilisk, Razor Worms, Reptile Hounds and what not.

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So has there been anything from CoC lately, in terms of fluff? I love my little militarized nerds, but haven't been paying too much attention.

>>54033930
Thats like saying cutting your own arm off to feed your dogs is a good supply of food.

Trolls are also very hungry, and unruly.

I bet its not impossible to train one, but just not worth the effort.

>>54033898

>So most of their way of torture is lost on a creature that simply regenerates most of its pain away.

Nothing an accomplished Mortitheurge couldn't handle.

>>54034024
They lost ground to cephalyx. After they made a deal with cryx, they gained so much pow drudges it gives them an edge.

>>54034082
They made a deal with Cryx? After it was a traitor to Cryx that destroyed their original temple and fucked up Lucant in the first place? How does that make any fucking sense?

>>54034177
He means the Cephalyx made a deal with Cryx.

>>54034197

I thought they already had an arrangement with Cryx to the point where they were practically joined at the hip?

>>54019949
It has everything now

>>54034232
Yes originally but when cryx lost thornwood, they mostly grabbed shit and ran. Nothing formal but cephalyx exist as a much larger infipendant civilization.

>>54024569
>Don't listen to warcasters whining about having no jacks.
>how come? I'm planning to have them be facing jacks in the future
Because they don't get to start with jacks and some of them will bitch. The problem is that once they have a jack they're basically playing two characters and become by far the most powerful member of the party.

>>54034197
Oh. That makes much more sense then.

Still a bit of a bummer there isn't more interaction between the Convergence and the rest of the world. I know they're a small group (and a limited release faction), but considering their designs you'd think they would be a bit more active.

>>54034563
Gotta be really careful with what kind of jack you eventually give them access to. Actual warjacks should be pretty hard to get their hands on.

I played a game once where the GM started us at 50XP and gave us a bunch of starting money. I played a Paladin/Knight with the intention of just being the classic tank but the GM let our Storm blade/Warcasters basically get any gear he wanted so he had a Storm last running around with a bunch of mods and a storm glaive strapped to it so it always had a focus and it just did my job better than I could. I ended up leaving the game because I never had the opportunity to do anything cool because the jack just did it better.

>>54034744

Different anon- Talon w/ Ferrum cortex worth doing?

>>54034639
They are still a secretive group.

>>54029611
That's just doing what you have to do in war. Do you realize how many civilians and Khadorans Harkevich was willing to kill just to say "fuck you" to the swans? And people still call him a pretty cool guy.

>>54033198
>I think going Bug in a major way is what Skorne needs to do to keep up with industrialized opponents.

I would prefer them to take the Dr. Arkadius route and start cyborging their beasts, possibly with elf tech.

who the fuck still plays this game? people who were too invested, right?

>>54032639
Can't an Archangel just fly over the walls and burn the garrison?

>>54035585
I mean, investment is the only reason I still play Skorne.

>>54035463
>Cunt carried the title "Protector of the Flame"
>Leader of the martial order that's tasked with protecting the holy places of the Protectorate
>Had absolutely no qualms or second thoughts about collapsing a Sul-Menite church in Sul of all places, in an attempt to distract and slow down ONE pursuer

Yeah, nah, Feora a cunt that needs the biggest punt.

>>54035463
Actually thats fucking cygnars fault.

First of all it was massively ou of character for harkevitch. He sacrificed a NOBLE so that regular folks could live in his introductory fiction.

Cygnar is the morally clean, protagonist faction, and literally everybody elses role is to job for them and make them look better.

What happened was that harkevitch set up a gas trap on a bridge for the invading cygnar force. Magnus redirected it to kill khadorans instead.

So instead of bombing the bridge and denying cygnar any entry, harkevitch does a stupidly evil thing to make cygnar look good.

Pp has been recently trying to frame any action khador does as immoral even if it isnt or doesnt make sense.

>>54034489
I saw the Insider a couple minutes after I made that post. Good timing too, I was just telling people at the shop this weekend how odd it was that they hadn't put it all up by now.

Now to find a good color printer for my cardstock.

>>54035735
I think they're building up towards Sorcha leaving, which would be very cool imo, but it would probably mean they would have to become pretty bad guys because of how loyal she is.

>>54035819
Civil war probably, or I hope. Vlad vs the queen is my hope.

>>54035735
>Pp has been recently trying to frame any action khador does as immoral even if it isnt or doesnt make sense.

That's not hard, since they've always been a villain faction.

>>54035853
What motive does Vlad have to fight against the queen now? She's given him everything he ever wanted except for Sorcha, which means that to betray her he will have to betray all of Umbrey. That would be massively ooc, although it would also provide a nice internal conflict.

>>54035891
The easy one is that OW simply decides the queen is doing more harm than good, and tells Vlad he needs to get rid of her.

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>>54035819
>I think they're building up towards Sorcha leaving, which would be very cool imo, but it would probably mean they would have to become pretty bad guys because of how loyal she is.

Why would she leave? Maybe the filthy peasant girl just decided to finally have bath and fell into the river by accident. You should check the river bank, dear. You never know what you might find.

>>54032639

It's trained in mind as a siege engine from the start isn't it?

>>54035891
Becausem he has a moral compass of sorts.

Maybe he would have objections to whatever evil she plans.

>>54035910
I wonder if Vlad still trusts/follows the Old Witch now that she's shacked up with a village full of horrors.

>>54036060

No one ever trusted the Old Witch. Nobody ever liked the Old Witch. You just do everything she tells you to do, because Baba Yaga. The man is lucky that she wasn't feeling randy that day.

>>54036108
>Oh Vladdykins, granny made you a packed lunch, it's a tasty beef sandwich, come and gobble it up like a good boy

>>54035172
Fair enough. I guess I just want to see some fluff of them wrecking a major nation in a battle at some point, like anyone does for their preferred faction.

>>54036258

Well, they are in the middle of summoning an Old One. So there's that.

>>54035819
>but it would probably mean they would have to become pretty bad guys because of how loyal she is.

They're already pretty bad guys.

They're making fellblades out of political prisoners FFS. The point of Khador has always been that their nationalistic pride and obsession with outdated territorial claims blinds them to the true severity of the awful things they're doing.

>>54036258
My preferred faction is Mercs, and frankly it doesn't make sense for them to have truly major victories against real militaries.

>>54036542
Well, that and they need more resources to keep their nation out of poverty.

>>54036542
Then they should just say fuck it on necromancy and use more cryx tech.

>>54035561
>bronzeback with Shyeel sockem boppers
>cyclopes with void blades and various Vyre guns

So are the 2017 Army Boxes worthwhile? I got a chance to snag one for $100, and it seems like a decent deal.

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They released the rules for the LNL Siege of Boarsgate event today.

This actually looks like a ton of fun

>>54037182
Short answer is yes

>>54037237
Where is Boarsgate again? In Ord?

>>54037179
>The Bronzeback's animus is so shit that Anon has forgotten that its animus actually is Shyeel sockem boppers

>>54037261
Well, one would hope that the effects would stack.

>>54037318
>Shyeel sockem boppers have Beatback
>Bronzeback's animus grants Beatback
Just give me Mk2 Beatback back rrrrreeeeEEEEEEEEEEEE.

>>54035585

stockholm syndrome

>>54037261
Hey, irony here is that the animus actually has some game into Ret.

>>54037336
I actually meant something like a super beatback.

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>>54037249
Yup

>>54037237
>Short answer is yes
I'm assuming you mean that some are better than others, in terms of theme lists and army comp? I don't have any of what comes in the CoC box, aside from the walker Vector, so it seemed like a good place to start.

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Today I saw a Fury'd Blackhide Wrastler attempt to Assassinate a DEF 18 ARM 21 caster.

Good times.

>>54037803
If you're looking to expand your current army or looking to start a new one they're honestly the best deal out there. Especially if you can get one for cheap

>>54038417
Excellent, thank you.

>>54038415
What caster?

What happened afterward?

>>54038490
Harkevich with a Dog and a Jack b2b.

Nothing spectacular. Two Marauders played ping-pong with the lizard and a Devastator finished it off with rain of death.

>>54038415
>Today I saw <Hordes> attempt to assassinate <Warmachine>

So what you're saying is that instead of trying to build a well rounded list that can play a game of Warmahordes with my opponent's stuff, I'm better off building an abusive spam list that can hopefully render my opponent's entire list ineffective and win at the list picking stage?

>>54038974
>Spam a theme list

Welcome to Mark 3 anon. But don't worry, you can play a theme list designed to defeat theme lists so it's all good

>>54038974
Hasn't this always been a thing?
Like in Mk.2 you needed a anti-Cryx list to deal with Cryx.

>>54040102
Man, this game went really down the shitter ever since Khador became a playable faction and no one has to shove Gorman into every single list they write no matter what faction.

Bring back the feel of having to bring a dedicated and mandatory cryx drop or I will leave this ded game.

>PP defeats Cryx by nerfing Cryx

>PP defeats spam by ____

>>54040176

Internal faction balance anon, internal faction balance

What do you see in lists.

Take a theme list
Spam X
Buff X and send in waves

Look at the current Legion lists. Or whatever lists. So fucking disappointing, I want Mark 2 back with some tweaks, not this shit.

>>54040196
>since Khador became a playable faction

Hilarious. I remember someone winning Warmachine Weekend with Khador...and fucking Kommandos...

>>54041121
That same player said that it was a very specific list that only worked in the meta of that particular tournament.

>>54041106
>I want Mark 2 back with some tweaks, not this shit.
What do you think we're playing anon?

So here's a question my group and I are not super sure on. For the sake of theme lists, where it says stuff like 'any non-character Cygnar Warjack', do Colossals count? Can I bring a Hurricane in Storm Division?

>>54041815
Yes, Colossals are warjacks.

>>54035873
>this is what cygnarans actually believe

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You know, it seems kinda silly in hindsight, but I just realized all the battlebox casters are a unit that got turned into a warnoun
>Maddox: Storm Knight
>Makelus: Flameguard Cleansers
>Agathia: Bane
>Kozlov: Iron Fang
>Helynna: Arcanist? Not sure on this one.
>Ragnor: Runeshaper
>Xekaar: Beast Handler
>Kryssa: Legionare
>Tanith: Regular Druid? Not familiar enough with Circle to be sure.

>>54041062
Ascending point costs. If you take more than one or two of the same warjacks/units/solos, they will cost more points.

>>54043353
They said that a long time ago. Like 2015

>>54043530
I didn't know that, I stopped playing in 2012 and returned in 2016

>>54043353
Tanith is a Blackclad.

>>54040196

I actually miss playing that way. It was better than spamming a single cost efficient unit.

>>54035735

I've always felt khador was the actual good guy faction. They were just lead by brutal mad men.

They were the under dog sick of cygnar oppression. So their great great great grand father's made mistakes. Why should the child suffer for the sins of the father?

>>54043890

Look at these lists that are winning events though, such variety;

Deathripper
Deathripper
Stalker
Stalker
Aiakos
Stalker
Stalker
Satyxis Raiders (max)
Satyxis Sea Witch
Satyxis Raiders (max)
Satyxis Sea Witch
Warwitch Siren
Warwitch Siren

Angelius
Angelius
Naga Nightlurker
Nephilim Bloodseer
Neraph
Neraph
Neraph
Seraph
Sorceress & Hellion
Sorceress & Hellion
Shepherd
Shepherd
Spell Martyr
Forsaken
Forsaken

Truly Mk3 theme lists are a blessing we should all celebrate for list variety.

Asphyxious 2
Deathripper
Helldiver
Bane Knights (max)
Bane Knights (max)
Bane Warriors (min)
Bane Warrior UA
Bile Thralls (min)
Bile Thralls (min)
Bane Lord Tartarus
Darragh Wrathe
Machine Wraith
Saxon Orrik

Such veriety, such diversity. Much freedom mk2

Same 4 units, over and over. +mercenaried.

Scaverous [Fuel Cache]
Scaverous
Deathripper
Deathripper
Erebus
The Withershadow Combine
Satyxis Raiders (max)
Satyxis Sea Witch
Croe's Cutthroats (max)
Wrong Eye & Snapjaw
Saxon Orrik
Machine Wraith
Necrotech
Soul Trapper
Ragman

No such thing as list diversity in mkiii

Why are you guys so obsessed with proving one iteration of the game better or worse than another? They are both undeniably weak in certain ways.

>>54044795
Welcome to 4chan
Where my version of things is the best and yours is the worst

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>shitposter raging about spam decides the best way to "make his point" is to spam
It's like poetry, it rhymes

>>54043890
Man those are some rose colored glasses. An I the unit one remembers Cryx harder, Bane spam, winter guard spam, Exemplar spam, EE, wold spam, and so on?

>>54040196
You do need an answer to Cryx in your list pair. What are you on about?

>>54045466
>"answer to Cryx"
This is completely fucking meaningless because there's no common theme between Cryx lists.

>>54045524
Yeah, you're right, that whole ghost fleet nonsense is just fake news

>>54045599
http://www.discountgamesinc.com/tournaments/tournaments/view/154

1st place wasn't even using it, 2nd place was Ghost Fleet and Infernal Machines. But please, tell me the common theme among these lists oh wait there isn't one because factions don't have any kind of identity, thus further contributing to the list chicken aspect of the game.

>>54045653
You understand that dg isn't complete and that you're ignoring some pretty large events that took place recently, right?

>>54045662
So what you're saying is that even though Cryx can do perfectly well without Ghost Fleet, that everyone should not only bring a list to beat Ghost Fleet, but they should automatically slam it onto the table against Cryx?

It's like you'll pull any mental gymnastics necessary to not have to admit that the game is just fucking shit.

>>54045672
Ghost fleet is dead if Circle is at the top of the meta. Wurmwood and Baldur2 thrash them completely by accident.

We got any Company of Iron rules yet?

Hey Anons!

I'm currently looking for a cheap tablet for running warroom and the prime pdf when I'm TOing.

Any advice?

>>54046867
I listed some general stuff. Nothing concrete for tge corner cases

>>54019129
Just how popular is the game right now? Compared to other wargames.

>>54047264

D E D
E
D

>>54047264
It's still one of the biggest games on the market, though Warhams and (I think) X-Wing dwarf it. You'll find players if you look for them.

>>54047305
Is it bigger than the popular skirmishes like infinity or malifaux and the warhammer wannabes like warpath and antares?

>>54047333
Yeah. The last set of sales figures I saw put it at something like the third best-selling wargame (40k was top, then X-Wing, then Warmachine). Infinity and Malifaux have their own communities but they're pretty niche. I've never seen or heard of anyone actually playing Warpath or Gates of Antares.

>>54047399

Those aren't sales figures. That's a survey of retailers, which over the years has been touch and go on accuracy.

>>54047264
Third largest game in the market, after X-Wing and 40K.

It's definitely much bigger than Infinity and Malifaux and the like.

>>54047634
>Third largest game in the market, after X-Wing and 40K.

Where are you getting that information? ICv2 only tracks American/Canadian sales (which drastically reduces euro-centric companies like Infinity) and it's only one sales channel.

It's a good 'finger on the pulse' for American sales but it's not definitive even then--and certainly doesn't track overall sales for miniatures.

Infinity (not that I'm a fanboi) has experienced 300%+ growth as shown in their retailer meet and based on my experience/knowledge, I'd say right now for moving units it's;

X Wing/FFG
GW
Corvus Beli
PP

..in that order. GW might overtake X-Wing as it's down trending and 8th is dropping.

>>54047711
>Infinity (not that I'm a fanboi)

Well, I AM an Infinity fanboi, I think it's the best game on the market currently.

And just by my experience of how many people you can find playing it in different areas, the number of big tournaments and their size, etc, I'd say it's not even close to having Warmahordes' playerbase. Not in America, anyway.

>>54047711
>GW might overtake X-Wing as it's down trending

X-Wing will probably get a huge chunk of players whenever a big Star Wars movie comes out, dude. And I don't really see much new player hype for 8th Ed, it's just old players either shouting its praises to the heavens or leaving because they think Megamarines are silly.

>>54020042
I know a Khador player who is, in fact, a fat dad.
He is also a Circle player though. So now this doesn't seem to hold up.

>>54047711
>GW might overtake X-Wing as it's down trending and 8th is dropping
Don't stop believing.

>>54047788
But Megamarines are not silly, they are pants on head retarded. They look more like fake 3rd party models or a bad joke.

>>54047769

The US yes, but Infinity is extremely popular overseas (Including starting up in Japan/China). That's a tremendous market share.

>>54047788
>>54047977
Just telling you what I see. I have no dog in the hunt for GW, FFG or PP really. I mainly play Infinity and Malifaux these days. Company of iron might bring back to Warmachine a bit but I really can't stand to play competitive anymore in that game.

>>54047999
The worst bit is that gw had done stuff like this before. Its called, make a newer larger sculpt.

Just to suckle some more cash from players, they made them the NEW , NEW, NEW for realz this time last chance of the imperium

>>54048667
>a company trying to make money
you don't say?!

>>54047999
I like them. They look like truescale marines.

>>54045672
I'm, no. Learn to read. What I'm saying is that the data you're trying to use to prove your point is wildly incomplete and shouldn't be used to claim the state of a faction/the game.

>>54047999
At this point I'm lost. Is there a diference between the ultramarine chapter of generic protagonists and the new ULTRAMARINE half-giant thingies or do they overlap completely?

>>54050531
They're the newest version of Space Marines made by Cawl and approved by Guilliman
Older chapters receive Primaris Marines, so the older marines and the newer marines fight side by side

>>54050531
Each chapter has their own "Primaris" even marine-ier marines. Not just ultramarines

>>54050607
Then why everybody calls primaris marines ultramarines?

>>54050907
Cause they're dumb and don't know what their talking about?

>>54047073

Really the important thing is an external battery pack.

So what are Mercs doing in the story right now?

>>54052859
Fighting for other people and getting paid for it.

>>54052859

They packed up and went over to Malifaux. Said something about the contracts were dead over here.

What are people's experiences with Feora3? She seemed like a lot of fun when she came out but our local Protectorate player switched to Ret so I've yet to see her on the table.

>>54052859
well no one is allowed to hire them, so I guess they just sit around in Ternon Crag and spend what little coin they have left over from mk2 on cheap Thurian Uiske.

>>54049192
My point is that bringing a list to beat a faction is completely pointless when factions don't have any kind of theme between all lists that you can prey upon. Just look at pairings like Harkevich/Vlad1 or High Reclaimer/Amon. What exactly can you bring against Khador that magically deals with both of those casters? There's zero commonalities. Likewise with Cryx, what do you bring when both Ghost Fleet and Infernal Machines are both competitively viable? This is the point at which the game stops being strategic and turns into wombo combo list chicken.

>>54053286
>What are people's experiences with Feora3? She seemed like a lot of fun...

Pointless question of the week.


>>54053385
>well no one is allowed to hire them, so I guess they just sit around in Ternon Crag and spend what little coin they have left over from mk2 on cheap Thurian Uiske.

I laughed anon. They're living in boxes on the streets...waiting for that sweet day when Theme forces allow them to fight for factions again.

>>54043784
Along with everyone else but Kromac and Grayle.

The only thing necessary for evil threads to proliferate is for good threads to not get bumped.

>>54055781
Speaking of which, where is Guildball General?

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>>54055833
here you go anon:
>>53987981
>>53987981

>>54055833
Probably lurking here and doing their darndest to make this thread a cesspit of shitposting.
I find it hard to believe that anyone would shitpost quite this badly or as often without having another game to identify themselves with.

>>54020010
yes, the Wills are working to salvage what they can from sole's fuckery.

I didn't think it was possible to break open and shit on warmachine, but soles managed it.

>>54056120

Pagani is the only one that has a clue on balance.

Will S. fucks up rules and doesn't know his own game.

>>54055922
>Spotted the PP employee

Is there any way to use Cataphracti units effectively?

Or are they one of the things that can really benefit from a CID?

>>54059094

Make a Cetrati boat.

>Cetrati
>Vorkesh
>Mortitheurge
>Agonizer
>or Krea... both. definitely
>Tyrant why not throw it in

It can get crazy but right up to the last one you aren't exactly wasting points, it just keeps getting more expensive and more capable

>>54055883

I don't know if I hate him or the pink bitch that made him and keeps him alive more

>>54059255
I like Lemongrab, his episodes are always the best for philosophical biz.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWBf2ZKY2xc

So, where the fuck is the fluff for Goreshade being rezzed into a real elf again?

>>54061884
http://i.imgur.com/KNgxP9g.png
http://i.imgur.com/Fd7InOD.png

>>54061920
You da man Anon.

Just bought the Skorne faction deck and should I must say, I'm surprised it was only 7.00 USD. I was expecting the cards used to mark damage for models to be much higher after my experiences with buying wargaming related things from a GW store.

Also, it it me or do they seem to forget additional cards for certain units?

I notice there was only one Agonzier card in the entire deck.

>>54058848
Shick isn't in development

>>54063259
Solo cards should have multiple hit box tracks to cover as many models as you could take in one list.

>>54056120
>>54058848
You guys know Soles has been lead dev on Warmachine forever right? Like, the entirety of the game for every editon has been him for better or for worse.

>>54059222
What does a Willbreaker do for Cetrati? They gained Tough in the errata.

>>54063259
If you think the Agonizer is bad, try and make sense of the Reptile Hound card.

>>54059222

>Tyrant why not throw it in

The Tyrant Commander and Standard Bearer?

>>54063259
Did you buy the physical cards? The entire faction got errata'd after the physical cards were released, they're all outdated now. That's probably why it was so cheap.

>>54068606

Even if they are, it's still nice to have them.

Haven't really paid any attention to Warmahordes for a few years, but I just bought the Menoth book on a whim; maybe in hopes of giving my old Kreoss2 list a spin.
My question now: Why does the book not contain any exemplar stuff? The book is kinda worthless for me, as the only non-exemplar units I have are a couple of jacks, paladins and unpainted deliverers.

>>54063259
>Just bought the Skorne faction deck and should I must say, I'm surprised it was only 7.00 USD

Man if there isn't a statement that sums up the clusterfuck right now PP is going through, there it is.

Entire faction has been errata'd and those cards are worthless anon, hence why 7

>>54069466
>>54069617
I'm generally optimistic about this game, but everything PP releases on paper is a trap.

>>54069617

Naw, they're useful as cardstock backings for pdf printouts if nothing else. A starting point for "cut and paste" if that's the amount of effort you mean to take (in between hunting down a printer to do the cards outright and cheapass paper cutouts).

>>54069696

Uh yeah...7 dollar glossy cardstock backings for a PDF that you need to print yourself...sure...

>>54069726

That second one is more feasible.

>>54069696
>they're useful as cardstock backings for pdf printouts if nothing else
Now that I think of it you can probably get about a million crappy MTG cards for about a dollar for the same effect. Assuming you have MTG players in your meta.

Official developer tier list:
DC>>>>>Hungerford>>>>Shick>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Soles

>>54070059
Only two of those people are devs dude, Hungerfood is comp play and Shick is creative director or something.

>>54070059
>>54071073
There is actually only one PP dev on that list.

>>54069466
They were supposed to be in an Exemplar theme book before PP decided they won't be making theme books after all.

>>54070059
>>54071073
>>54071112
So basically /wmhg/ is so bad at Warmachine they don't even understand who to complain about

>>54072259
That has nothing to do with being good or bad at the game though. That's just general faggotry.

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>>54072259
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>>54072385

You know I'm actually might invest in Grymkin. They just have such tight design, and I actually like some of their models and the ones I dislike just need a color swap

>>54073360
NO YOU CANNOT LIKE THINGS THAT I DON'T LIKE HOW DARE YOU LIKE THINGS REEEEEEEEE

>>54071073

Then why does Will S. post on Twitter about working on design with Pagani?

It's a small shop, Will S. has been there a long time. Of course he works design.

>>54073360
More power to you, but "such tight design"?
Their design is all over the place, with no real unifying factor.

>>54073912
Yeah, they're like reverse Convergence. Maybe Soles was just jealous of what a real designer could do.

>>54073360
>tight design

Have fun playing that mish mash of rules. At least you have cool models.

>Oh wait, that's the faction with midgets riding toy horses

>>54073360
Spam Dreadrots. Dreadrots are fucking awesome.

>>54073912
>>54074118

Tight MECHANICAL design. I know this thread is especially shit at Warmahordes, but if you don't see it you genuinely have a problem.
It's one of the most mechanically elegant corpses based resource systems in the game. Dreadrots->Death Knell-> Whatever wants corpses works amazing. And each one could also be used independently.
The Arcana work great, meaning your corpse mechanic is also not limited against Convergence for instance, with additional support from theme forces.

Solid Caster Design, and a dream aesthetic I actually am beginning to dig.

But pretty much
>>54073426
Is correct. This is a Chan. If you don't like it, burn it to the ground because nobody else can, or SHOULD like it.

>>54075848
>>54075848
NEW THREAD
ON NE PASSE PAS

>>54041529
Other games, if local experience is anything to go by.