MtG Hour of Devastation 26/06 Spoilers

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>Ammit Eternal
>Creature - Zombie Crocodile Demon

>Afflict 3
>Whenever an opponent cast a spell, put a -1/-1 counter on ~.
>Whenever ~ deal combat damage to a player, remove all -1/-1 counters from it.

>>54015914
Now that's a funny card. Seems a bit janky to abuse, but I'd try anyways.

>>54015933
>...or loyalty abilities
They had one job.

I still like it

>>54015849
I see this usable as a pauper edh commander. Shame it has no deathtouch or lifelink by itself

>>54015933
>or loyalty abilities
why do you have to make me so fucking mad wizard? why are you trying so hard to protect pw?
jeeeeez...

>>54016035
>pauper edh commander
>not a common
>not a legendary creature

what?

>>54016058
In pauper commander you are using uncommon as your general. It's not hard to use google, you know?

>>54015895

Is 7 too much to pay for a 4/4 that draws you 4 and discards 2? Seems like at that point you're either already winning or the board will be stalled out if this is your best play.

>>54015933
>sun is not in middle

>>54016357
On one hand, yes.

On the other hand, Eternalizing a creature should cost more than casting a 4/4 with that creature's abilities from the hand. It possibly be 4UU without upsetting too many people but 3UU is the point where it would start becoming absurd.

>>54016357
If you're stalled out in a topdeck war draw 4 discard 2 is pretty decent, as it's +2 cards but you get filtering so you get to get rid of the useless lands so more likely to get to your wincons if you're digging for them.

>>54015933
>MUH PLANESWALKERS
holy shit just bomb the wotc hq already
cool card otherwise though

>>54015942
Oh? Now this is something

>>54015849
I really like the flavor and art of this one

>>54016386
>>54016395

Good points. Not sure I'll play it, but I see the balance reason for the cost. You're probably still not going to drop it turn three for its card draw+discard anyways.

>>54016357
Eternalize effectively doesn't cost you a card like it would for a normal creature, so I'd say 7 is fair. Bad, but fair.

>>54015933
WUG prison, here I come

>>54015914
Hey look, an aftermath spell that's an instant
>blue
ah, no wonder.

>>54015933
Are there any important non-permanent-sourced activated abilities that this fucks over? You can't eternalize for instance, not that it would be important with the humility effect.

>>54016646
Cycling

>>54015942
Been needing a Phyrexian Negator I guess, he's pretty good

>>54015933
>>54015933
I heard you guys liked Humility and linvala, so we added their effects and cmc together for our new mythic rare ( tm)

>>54015895
Eternalize tokens are going to look so bad ass. I'll probably buy a playset.

>>54016357
You don't play this for the eternalize, you do for the initial effect to filter your hand and stall the opponent with a blocker. Then lategame it comes back and gives a pretty massive upswing in card advantage.

Its strictly a control card, but it seems good at what it does.

>>54015933
>takes a cool effect and makes it horribly overcosted
>isn't even symmetrical
>doesn't affect planeswalkers
Yup, checks out for nu-WOTC

>>54017387
it's so expensive BECAUSE it isn't symmetrical you silly billy

>>54017387
God forbid we allow people to build their decks in such a way that an effect like that wouldn't be a hindrance. That would require too much brain power from the people Wizards is catering to

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>>54015914
Now YOU can bolt for four mana!

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Oh my

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>>54017404
I know, but because of that it's unplayable. They really should've just functionally reprinted humility. They can either make powerful effects overcosted and unplayable, undercosted and broken, or symmetrical and both playable and fair. Symmetrical effects create interesting gameplay and deckbuilding decisions while being easier to balance, but for some reason wizards is afraid to use them. I think that Leovold is a good example of a card that would 100% have had a symmetrical effect had it not been designed in 2016.

>>54017472
P. Cool

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>>54017472
>limited garbage

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>>54015914
It's pretty interesting that there are 2 of these effects in standard right now.

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>>54017472
Is it buildable?

Maybe with some great ETB creatures... Could U/W Flash run this combo?

>>54017496
It's called "EDH garbage", anon.

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>>54017472
MaRo said this was going to be revealed tomorrow, but this seems like this is the real card.

As for its synergies with gate to the afterlife, I can kinda see an aristocrats build that sacs everything to yahenni and then bringing back the sacrifice fodder (or even yahenni itself) in order to crash in late game.

The problem with that idea is if you just sacced 6 creatures then why aren't you winning or about to win with zulaport cutthroat?

>>54017558
it's not good even in edh

>>54017558
I don't think even edh wants to exile creatures for a mere 4/4, pretty sure there's much better.

>>54017558
>>54017496

Might work pretty well in a GW tokens deck when you have Annoited Procession and Parallel Lives out. Get a 4 for one.

>>54017496
>>54017558
I wouldn't be so sure.

With Gate to the Afterlife its a bargain to cheat in and it also means you can run a single Gift and 2-3 Gates. The Gates are also decent on their own and synegize well with Gift and eachother.

Mayve its a bit janky, but its cool jank.

Maybe

>>54017535
>>54017472
this seems fun

>>54017604
>>54017576
>>54017472
I totally forgot about anointed procession. How about running

>4 anointed procession
>2 panharmonicon
>4 cloudblazer (and a bunch of other good ETB effects in standard)
>4 gate to the afterlife
>2 God-pharaoh's gift (even 1 would be good but there is actual graveyard hate when hours comes out so watch out for that)

And then just playing out your ETB creatures or discarding them somehow and win due to value?

>>54017596
You clearly don't know the first thing about EDH if you think this card is anything short of excellent.

Its all about the ETB triggers and field advantage. This card gets you free bodies every turn without costing you a single card. That alone is great, now factor in the op ETBs.

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>>54017535
>>54017576
>>54017472
Im gonna try to use it in my new esper zombie deck, see you at july

>>54017479
>reprinting humility

Oh god pls not the judge.

>>54017726
this is a 7 mana artifact (or a 5 mana artifact if you jump through a bunch of hoops) that does nothing on ETB. then it will pseudo-reanimate 1 thing from your own graveyard, and then it will most likely eat a vandalblast and blow up.

there are plenty of cards in edh that do what this card does, but better

>>54017479
Leovold would have also been Hot Garbage if he was symetrical.

>>54015942
So far this is the only card I've been really interested in.

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>>54017809
>there are plenty of cards in edh that do what this card does, but better

Are there any that are colorless? That have a tutor that can bring it from the graveyard or from your hand?

I kinda get your salt about this card, but after thinking about it all I want to do is get a 4/4 flyer into play that also lets me draw two cards

>>54015933
Oy vey can't print anything to hurt the chase-mythics. People might buy less packs.

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>>54017809
Shut the fuck up you stupid pavement ape. The closest thing to this is Debtors Knell, which while stronger is MUCH harder to use.

>>54017947
paying 7 mana for +2/+2 on a mulldrifter is pretty bad

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>>54017531
three you muppet

>>54018150
But if it's in the graveyard then you probably already used it.

How about getting back an eternal witness? Or a solemn simulacrum? Or a fertilid?

>>54018251
ok? That hardly justifies the fact that it's a slow artifact that is worse than so many colored cards(most of which were already bad)

>>54018251
I would rather use seance, as that would at least grab a creature every turn before it ate some removal.

>>54018437
And if you're not playing white, and thus have no access to Seance or Debtors' Knell?

>>54018469
I'd be playing leovold/tefiri's puzzlebox, then.

>>54018469
yeah but seance and debtor's knell are still bad, and this card is even worse

>>54018507
Those are completely unrelated cards you turd burglar.

>>54018561
That's because they're cards that win games instead of durdling around, you poop pope.

>>54018599
but you could instead play fun cards like tormenting voice you crap caper criminal

>>54018469
Stop ad hoc arguing, it's a bad look.
>7 mana artifact
For 5, I can get Conjurer's Closet and abuse ETB if I was that desperate. 7 mana is a significant amount, and should either win you the game on the spot or put you in such a position that you'll be winning the next turn. That's how scaling in MTG works, your bread and butter spells are usually 1-2 cmc, your basic answers are 2-3, your utility answers (hitting more than object or one kind of object) are 3
>but you can just re-animate X
With the exception of Mulldrifter, you can just abuse those in Meren. Meren has free sacrifice effects, so you can chain sac your way to valuetown. Or if you're that desperate for muh value in sultai, run OG Sidisi
Even the timmy bait of The Scarab God is better than this shit. At least Scarab God requires an exile or tuck to answer it.

>>54018599
>He cares more about winning than having fun in EDH
Fucking bowel movement bandits I swear.

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>>54018654
>Even the timmy bait of The Scarab God
What did he mean by this?

>>54016077
Then you're fucking doing it wrong. Pauper means common, no matter what format you're using it in.

>>54015942
god ammit

>>54018507
If you're still talking about edh the friendly handshake-elf is banned. :^)

>>54018654
>Hating based scarab jesus

>>54018679
The rules for Pauper Commander explicitly state that you can use a Non-Legendary Common or Uncommon as your general.

>>54017726
Or you play anything that can return stuff from your graveyard without exiling it.

Almost every color can return stuff to the battlefield pretty easily.


Seance isn't seen in EDH, why would this be?

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>>54018679
>being this wrong
The funny part is that you can just google the pauper commander rules but you prefer to bitch out on mongolian cartoons image forum

>>54018150
But that's every turn, and you don't need to sac the token like with Feldon/Kiki and it has haste if you want to ping some damage or get rid of pesky stuff if opponents need to block.
Come on, this card is only garbage if you're one of those autists that only play turn 4 combo on EDH.

>>54017472
So why not "Eternalize target creature in your graveyard"?

>>54017809
this it will be a bulk rare no doubt

>>54017472
It's a better payoff than Vial of Dragonfire was, at least.

>>54017809
>does nothing on ETB

This is honestly getting up there with "dies to lightning bolt" in terms of just sperged out phrases /tg/ uses to explain away the fact it can't build worth shit

>>54018654
>>54018675
>>54018709
>TFW just bought a masterpiece Scarab for 54 cheeseburgers
It'll probably drop but fuck am I impatient.

>>54019199
Eternalize isn't evergreen. it's not gonna be in the majority of sets. So ya write it out. Same with the way they had to write out landfall on some newer cards when landfall wasn't around.

>>54019336

I still have to talk myself out of buying an Invention Combustible Gearhulk every time I start to brew a deck with it.

>>54019336
May you find peace while being knee-deep in the dead.

>>54019398
Just do it bro. I love my Invention Sword of Light and Shadow.

>>54019404
I'm screencapping this post. Would smirk again/10.

>>54015933
Honestly, the best thing that could happen for the expansion is the planeswalkers dying. But i think now the damage is done.

>>54019108
the combination of exiling the creature from the yard and the fact that making it a 4/4 isn't inherently a good thing makes me really skeptical about playing this card even in a casual deck

>>54019792
at least it gives you something on the turn it enters the battlefield.

also if you menage to get additional combats it's gonna be great.

>>54019858
I don't know man that seems really flimsy

>>54017472
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSxeQr8nDE0

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>>54018173
>forgetting that BFZ is still standard legal

>>54015914
I love this card so much. Its super casual but pyromancers goggles will make this card gold

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>>54015849
>Bolas set
>Wits card

Patheitc lore.

>>54017809

>vandalblast
>sorcery
>"at the beginning of combat"

At least read the card you fucking monkey

>>54019953
I remember arguing with tg posters who were convinced this was a great card and would see not just standard but modern play. I feel vindicated about it being junk.

>>54018148
reanimate on every turn for free effects are typically kinda shit either way, but here are some better ones:

Dawn of the Dead
Sheoldred, Whispering One
Meren of the Clan Nel Toth (requires a bit of setup)
Reya, Dawnbringer (hideously overcosted but at least it can be reanimated itself for cheap)

then there's also Hell's Caretaker if you have something to sac (you should)

but i would still be hesitant to run those cards because, off the top of my head, stuff like Victimize, Dread Return, Animate Dead, Stitch Together, Unburial Rites, Ever After, Reanimate, Necromancy, Living Death, Cauldron Dance, Corpse Dance, Rescue from the Underworld etc. are all better bang for your buck and don't need to stick on the board for a few turns to make their value back

>>54019259
it's not a meme. EDH is a format where 3 people will be ready to spot remove your shit, but only really at sorcery speed because it's you kinda need to tap out on your turn. so essentially nothing that can't mostly make its value back on the turn it comes out is going to be weaker than stuff that needs to stick and grind value, unless that something is something low cmc and low threat like a Phyrexian Arena, and not worth blowing a removal on.


>>54020175
read my post you fucking mongoloid, i said it would reanimate 1 thing and then blow up. 7 mana 1-for-1 reanimate isn't good, and that's what the card is going to be 9 times out of 10

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>>54019199
Because they had keywords overdose in Future Sight and now they're scared of them.

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>>54015933
>your opponent's board is fucked!
>EXCEPT PLANESWALKERS :^))))))

A dozen years later and Wizards are still desperate to get Jace & Co. to achieve cash cow status. You'd think getting booed at their own venue would finally get the message through.

>>54019199
Because it creates a token that isn't exactly an Eternal token. It removes the creature's original subtypes and it lets them keep their mana cost

>>54015849
Huh, its like a shitty two colored zombie master.

>>54021217
>You'd think getting booed at their own venue would finally get the message through
Is there a story here?

>>54015933
Why did they even bother having PWers use the same terminology and mechanics that exists if they were just going to write special snowflake clauses to keep them uninteractible every time.

>>54021217

Does Maro actually believe that the current story is better than the Weatherlight Saga?

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>>54015895
Pretty jank but this is the best I can come up with.

>>54021334
There was a janky card preview event at GP Vegas where some dudes were acting out Gatewatch vs Bolas while showing off super-sized preview cards. People were cheering on and chanting alongside Bolas and booing the Gatewatch whenever it was their turn.

>>54021703
UNTAP

UPKEEP

DRAW!

>>54021645
That's some pretty nice jank

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>>54021703

This just in, Bolas has more flavor and character than the entire Jacetice League combined.

>>54021703
Found it. This is cringey and fun, I love it.
http://magic.wizards.com/en/events/coverage/gplv17/nicol-bolas-brings-devastation-to-vegas-2017-06-16

>>54015914

I want this in standard with Delve

>>54021890
12:00 in approximately, gatewatch gets booed, they chant BOLAS BOLAS BOLAS

Feels fucking good.

>>54021618

Considering the Weatherlight story was taken away from him, he probably still holds a grudge against it.

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>>54015942
>zombie
>crocodile
>demon

>>54021954
>Delve ever coming back in standard
Dream on you poor bastard

>>54015895
This is Amazing. Just Answer the ETB trigger with a Buff. Something like Groundswell in Modern or Borrowed Hostility. you risk getting 2 for 1, but it's worth it.

>>54021618
I don't think he has much involvement with it. He's leading the design team not creative.

>>54021746
DORO

MONSTA CARDO

>>54022339
YAMEROOOOOOO

>>54015942
There's a really good R/B deck based around this, consuming fervor, and the scorpion god

>>54015895
>Champion of Wits
>Ability isn't "when X enters the battlefield, search for 200 cards you own outside the game and shuffle them into your library"

>>54017584
That's why it's called garbage.

>>54022627
Okay, I giggled.

>>54017535
Why in hell would a uw flash tempo deck run this shit?

>>54015895
If you have an card that grants you the ability to cast sorceries when you can cast instants.

Would that allow you to cast Externalize as an instant? Asking because the wording on Externalize and Embalm is slightly different than earlier-similar things.

>>54023234
Eternalize is activated, not cast.
Also, the answer is no, it's not a sorcery.

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>>54023234
Abilities=/=spells
You'd need a card specifically stating that you'd be able to Eternalize at instant speed, much like equipping.

>>54023234
No. Eternalize acts at sorcery speed but It is not a sorcery.

>>54018784
First things first, this lets you keep the creature, unlike Seance. Also grows them very often, depending on your deck.

Also I'm pretty sure some Brago lists include Seance.

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>>54016039
>>54016446
>>54016570
>>54016646
>>54017061
>>54017387
>>54018088
>>54019471
>>54021217
>>54021505

>"Wizards like planeswalkers, I'm triggered! I hate them so much! Why do they keep pushing these cash cows! Magic is dead! All they do is pander to SJW Jacetice league! I have nothing better to do than complain about this game!"
>Continue to play and shovel your cash over anyways

>>54023980
Faggot

>>54023980
Maro don't you have better things to do than shitpost on /tg/

>>54022221
Huh, I thought you couldn't do that.

The only thing is that unless you give it haste you are wasting the pump's power, and if you are running pumps and hasters you are definitely playing an aggro deck, where this thing can't really shine.

Now, +1/+1 counters could work quite nicely here. That or somehow giving it flash. This with flash would be so crazy.

Any ideas anon?

>>54023140
Recurring, bigger Quellers, Selfless Spirits, Rattlechains, Mausoleum Wanderers, the Construct lord... all get quite the boost from being eternalized and have great avilities / etbs

>>54024117
you know, that really makes me think.
could be a good value engine in one of the old u/w flash control lists with a spirits core and avacyn.
I imagine that kind of deck would have a really hard time stocking the graveyard enough to enable gift though. The new 3/1 flying cycler would probably go in.

>>54024060
you can

>>54024060
I'm thinking about some kind of esper value deck with this and anthems, and zur to cheat the anthems
I'm pretty sure there are better builds both for this and for zur but it looks fun to me

If you eternalize avacyn, Can the token flip, and if so is the flip still a zombie?

>>54024232
>>54024232
could go for a sort of cycling delirium angle so topplegeist could finally see play. The deck would be fat with possible boardwipes. Dusk to dawn is kinda pointless if you actually want creatures in the graveyard, and Descend upon the sinful doesnt work that smoothly. I guess that would leave fumigate?

I'd sure like to have a white deck you cant fit gideon into

Eternalize planeswalkers anyone? Smth like, comes back as a token black planeswalker with 4 loyalty, and if it can become a creature, that creature is also a zombie.

>>54024431
I think the rest of the planeswalkers for the set are already announced, right?

the catastrophically bad new samut and new bolas

>>54024545
i was thinking something like a sorcery.

>>54017472
I think the obvious idea is to run this with a bunch of cycling creatures and the gate

>>54023980
>Continue to play and shovel your cash over anyways
Jokes on you faggot. I buy all my shit from chinese proxy vendors for 1/10th what it would cost me to buy it in boosters or resale market.

>>54024346
it can't

>>54024346

No, copies of DFCs don't have a reverse side, so they can't transform.

>>54017558
Hey stuff like Tornado elmental love this card. Ditch it, then resummon. Great addition to any flying creature control deck, since it doubles the amount tornado elemntals they need to counter to avoid the mass tapping of their board

>>54024060
pump it before it hits the board with anthems

>>54024570
Riiiight cycling didn't think about that

I guess I am a dumbo

>>54024907
Ayy time for bants

>>54024570
New Perspectives/Second Sun alt win con?

>>54024907
This seems really strong in draft if you have a decent amount of exhert, and an OK finisher in a GWx tokens strategy.

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>>54024907

Another awesome card for the cat tribal deck :)

>>54025004

Also these will be my sleeves for said deck

>>54024907
Once again, aftermath in HOU seems costed correctly

>>54024907
god i cant get over how fucking ugly these cards are

>>54024907
Damn, that is rock solid. First card I've been able to get excited for as a Greenfag for quite some time.

>>54024907
>3mana
>fuck'em right up
>isnt mono green
Im confused this should have been stapled to a 2/3 and it wasnt.

>>54025205
can you draw anything better?

>>54025551
I think anon is complaining about how small the art is and how it isn't just a double faced spell

>>54025551
how are you gonna notice if the art is bad when its so tiny on that design, you monkey.

even then, you don't have to be an artist to know when something looks like shit you dumb mongrel

>>54025605
He didn't say the art. He said the cards were ugly. They are. The layout is hideous and no art can save it.

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anyone like 0 or 1 mana 4/4s that you can cycle in modern/legacy?

>>54026056

Maybe Living End? If you really need a blocker to keep the game going?

>>54026056
F L U C T U A T O R

>>54026081
Cathartic Reunion + Street Wraith makes this 0 mana on turn 2. Cathartic Reunion on turn 3 makes this 1 mana.

There are other good discard spells like Collective Brutality too.

>>54026056
Wait, is the implication here that it's a living sarcophagus looking for the mummy that used to be inside it? Because that's actually kind of awesome.

>>54026056
>doesn't die to lightning bolt
>doesn't die to fatal push
>makes living end a better deck by giving it an threat early in the game

>>54026056
Does that... wow, Living End got a great new toy

>>54026056
so this card is broken.
im gonna look forward to snagging it at pre-release, and it complements the stupid u/w gift of the god pharaoh deck i'm thinking about.

>>54020218
It's way too slow
It's cool and unique but that's it
Wish it did see play though

>>54026056
Wow I think this card is WAY too good
It having Cycling just makes it even more ridiculous

>>54026056
good shit

>>54015895
This looks really good for UR drake discard/cycling

>>54022221
>Answer the ETB trigger with a Buff
Can the opponent answer the ETB with a debuff like Grasp of Darkness and force you to discard 2?

>>54026681
KEK

That would be amazing

>>54026681
>>54026693
>If you do, discard 2
Never mind I'm retarded

>>54026656
I agree. I got jazzed up on shitting on the high eternalize cost but a 2/1 with a faithless looting stapled on alone is a really interesting tool.
It makes me want to try some kind of u/w eldrazi displacer deal and machine gun down some ballistas and eternals while flickering cloudblazers and this guy

>>54026681
last known info of the card before it died, the power being 0 means you draw 0 and discard 2.

>>54026716
that'd be a really funny way to wreck someone. too bad the draw is a may ability.
at least wotc is printing a surprising amount of triggered ability interaction lately

>>54026738
It almost feels like Amonkhet was so pathetic because it was the last gasp of the nuWalkers, and Hours is so much better because it's the return of the Old Powers (Bolas)

>>54026738
If my opponent doesnt change their mind and decides to discard 2 I wouldnt stop them.

WHERE IS THE LIGHTNING BOLT ART CARD

WHERE IS HAZORET'S LAST __________

I SWEAR WIZARDS IF YOU TRICK ME AGAIN

>>54026767
Just as a reminder, HOU has been talked about as the first set where the power pendulum is finally in an upswing (after a long downswing sins Khans block). So, it's not really surprising that we're seeing more powerful and pushed cards. I don't have a specific source, but I'll look.

>>54025004
Cat isn't going to work because they don't bounce of each other as well as something like Warriors from Khans block, but there's still half of hours left so some good stuff could still appear.

>>54026808
>lightining bolt???
never ever in standard again
>____'s last whatever
when theyre ready to spoil it
also the only promo bolt that matters is the full art

>>54026864
It's not lightning bolt, but it's art is strikingly similar. It's also not art for invocations since they've been spoiled so we don't know what it is.

>>54026901
probably shouldnt get excited enough to hope for lightning strike, and theres no way in fuck it'll be bolt.

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>>54026864
>>54026901
This art.

>>54026808
Hazoret's Last ??? better be pure damage to the face.

2R for how much damage?

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how long is wizards going to keep cockteasing land synergy? fuck this aftermath bullshit

>>54026915
I don't expect it to be bolt, because even at Rare everyone will just bring in their commons from older sets, and I don't think it will be lightning strike because why would they add a 2R for 3 damage instant if they were going to add in a 1R for 3 damage instant as well?

Possibly Chain Lightning or something entirely new.

>>54026928
2R for "deal 5 (or even 4) damage to target face then skip your untap step" would be a fuckin boring-ass card.
On top of that it doesn't fit hazoret that much. It'll probably be extra combat steps or a team buff

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>>54026966
>Chain Lightning in Modern

Please, I can only get so errect.

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>>54026927
You know, that looks a lot like Lightning Bolt's 2 artworks as well, discounting the promos.

>2 mountain-like landscapes, one in foreground and one in background
>2 forks of lightning

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>>54027016

>>54026988
An extra combat step sounds possible, but there are a few cards in red currently that do that already like Lightning Runner and Combat Celebrant. More likely an Act of Treason type card that can hit Planeswalkers and/or provide a buff. The theme of the cycle is a last ditch move that could swing the game in your favor and that is the most red can do besides deal a lot of damage to the face.

>>54026927
While it looks exactly like bolt it might be a modal shock+ld/shatter

Hazoret's card should be an undercosted insurrection

>>54021703
To be fair, the guy playing bolas was really good. The people who were reresenting the jacetice league weren't even playing as characters, plus they had no charisma. It was less bolas vs gatewatch and more guy-who-knows-how-to-hold-a-crowd vs rnd members who have never acted in their lives.

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>>54021890
>http://magic.wizards.com/en/events/coverage/gplv17/nicol-bolas-brings-devastation-to-vegas-2017-06-16

>Judge!
>Yes Bolas?
>[Beat]
>Go away.
>Yes, Bolas.

That was good.

>>54027084
Put any number of creatures from your hand onto the battlefield tapped and attacking. Return all creatures you control to your hand at the next end step. Your lands dont untap next turn.
How much would that kind of effect have to cost to be balanced I wonder?
It seems pretty fun to build a deck around and there'd be a kind of gamble with instant speed effects and you being wide open following your alpha strike

>>54027281
>Put any number of creatures from your hand onto the battlefield tapped and attacking
4RR at the least

>>54027281
>>54027307
Although this isn't /ccg/, let me revise that comment:

>Put any number of creatures from your hand onto the battlefield tapped and attacking
Implies that it's already the combat phase, which means your spell is an instant and can be cast after blockers are declared. They would never print that. A better wording would be "Put any number onto battlefield and they gain haste until EOT", and 3RR might be possible but it's still not an effect they'd likely ever print.

>>54017387
Yea, what happened to the days of guaranteed 3TK's and the entire game being ruled by instant speed effects to the point than entire card types, like creatures, were virtually unplayable? God, shit was so much better when I knew I had lost because I didn't draw a playable counter to use during my opponent's opening turn before I even had a chance to start my 3rd-turn infinite combo.

But, seriously, I get what you're saying, but the competitive environment is not any worse than it's ever been and the card/system design being tragically unbalanced is not anything new.

>>54018655
My fun comes from me winning.

>>54021890
that's awful
I love it

>>54019338
>Same with the way they had to write out landfall on some newer cards
Landfall isn't a keyword. It's not possible to it write it out as the cards wouldn't function if they didn't.

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>>54027378
They've printed "X only during your combat step, and only before blockers are declared" style things before.

>>54023980
Didn't wizards say they want to do less jacetice league now?

I mostly buy singles from the secondary market anyways so eh.

>>54017472
oh it's eternalize from the brink

>>54026056
>cycle two street wraiths
>cast a 4/4 turn one
>does not die to push or bolt

Seems decent, atleast in some situations.

>>54026859
I just want mono white cats to be good.

>>54027799
>I mostly buy singles from the secondary market anyways so eh.
In doing so, you're generating the demand that the secondary market fills by throwing money at Wizards, so ultimately that doesn't seem like an excuse. Not that I personally care, just noting that that's an odd argument to make.

>>54027878
I mean I can appreciate the game and still dislike some decissions they make right?

It's not like me not buying anything anymore would influence the route they have decided to take.

>>54021217
>You'd think getting booed at their own venue would finally get the message through.
It's like you think they make and print the cards the day before they reveal them.

Wizards work two years ahead of time, which means that four years ago they created the Gatewatch story. Two years ago - as the Gatewatch was revealed to us - they realized that it wasn't as well received as they had hoped and decided to cut down on their appearances in each block in the hopes that players were merely unhappy with the oversaturation of Gatewatch members. If they now realize that it isn't just oversaturation that people are unhappy about, but the concept of the Gatewatch in its entirety, it won't be until another two years before they can stop it.

>>54028112
I'm fine with the concept of walkers joining together to fight common enemies.

I just don't like how it was implemented.

I don't want them to give up on a cohesive plot just because the fucked up with this version of it.

>>54024966
Funny. I have a modern deck that uses this card, but will probably use Appeal // Authority instead due to it being almost strictly better. If it were an instant, yeah.

>>54019199
Because eternalize is an activated ability. They would have to make it something like "target creature card in your graveyard gains eternalize until end of turn. It's eternalize cost is 0" which wouldn't allow it to enter the battlefield during combat.
>>54019338
New keywords only have to have reminder text on commons and uncommons. Rares, mythics, and promos can go without them. And as another anon already pointed out, landfall isn't a keyword.

>>54020855
That doesn't have to do with it at all. They don't like to put lone keywords in a set, as well they shouldn't as one of the main points of a keyword is to save player's mental space by shortcutting rules info; if you've seen it once, you know what it does on the next card you see it. Lone keywords saves no mental space.

>>54021247
That's a post hoc explanation though, as they could just as well have made the card work exactly like eternalize. In fact, the main question should be, why doesn't the tokens work exactly like eternalized tokens? I have a feeling a whole bunch of people will be playing with the card as if they were.

>>54015895
One way or another, the art on this is really pretty. Should have been Battle of Wits on a stick, though.

>>54022283

That doesn't preclude him having opinions

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>>54023980
>>Continue to play
Yes, I greatly enjoy using the cards I obtained when Magic was good!
>and shovel your cash over
:^)

So this is what a triggered nuWalker fag looks like.

>>54028112
Oh I'm fully aware of that. I just think it's funny that they now have undeniable evidence of what we've been saying all along. The booing is only the latest in a long series of criticisms and follows on the heels of the mass exodus of everyone who followed the franchise for the story.

>>54028764
>The booing is only the latest in a long series of criticisms
Honestly, the booing during that show could just as well be because the guy playing Bolas did a far better job at being enterntaining and engaging.

>>54023980
Its a fucking 9-mana-card.
NINE FUCKING MANA.
NINE.

Give me a reason why it shouldnt hit PW?

>>54028717
His official opinion, as the face of the company, is always going to be that whatever they're doing right now is the best thing they've ever done and have no plans of changing it ever. Even if he knows that it's been badly received and will be changed completely within a year.

>>54023309
Such as the scarab god as it doesn't say sorcery speed only on its ability.

>>54016039
I think it's a flavor thing. Planeswalkers can still cast their spells (meaning you can tap for mana and cast spells, and planeswalker permanents can use loyalty abilities).

>>54023980
it hits creatures, artifacts, enchantments, flashback, eternalize, cycling, land abilities, forecast and so on, there is zero reason why planeswalkers should be exempt too, except because blatant favoritism for the expensive mythic rarity card type. It's extra blatant with this card because it's not worded to not include planeswalkers like certain other cards, it outright says "btw no planeswalkers". And I don't pay for magic.

>>54024907

>Sorcery

S T O P

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>>54026927
>>54027115

>>54017472

Recast commander from graveyard for any deck? Not bad

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>>54017472
I was hoping this card did not actually exist since all of Bolas's promises are lies.

>>54030350
It's fake. Isn't it?ahahah

>>54030350
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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>>54030408
>>54030394
Get fucked. You thought we get good spells in Standard? This is the best you'll ever get from this point on.

>>54030432
You mean, good red spells.

We got Fatal Push just two sets ago.

>>54030350
>>54030350
This HAS to be fake
This is fucking atrocious

>>54030350
This is actually pretty good.

>>54017472
>tfw trostani EDH based on making token copies of nontoken creatures with good ETB's to populate
7 mana is a bit much, but definitely going to try it out. Making 2-6 archangel of thune with haste when entering combat will finish the game quickly

>>54030456
Open Fire is dogshit, but we're getting that modal almost-lightning strike/artifact removal for 1R too this set. That's at least useable.

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Why can't RED just die?
Why does it try so hard to be playable?
Let's remove Red from the color pie and start again with Orange.

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>>54030350
>>54030394
>>54030595
It's real.
It's all real.

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>>54030672
>all the interesting ones are completely held back and shit by "activate only as a sorcery"
Wizards is so fucking stupid it blows my god damn mind

At least the black one is decent even with all the drawbacks

>>54028647
>on a stick
on legs
if you're going to try and fit in, at least get it right

>>54030672
Getting activated effects on your lands is powerful. Yes, there are way better activated effects than these, but they're not really that bad.

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>>54030672
You forgot the OTHER cycle of worthless shit lands.

Unless Ixalan adds some decent dual color lands, aren't we just shit out of luck with the September rotation? We're left with just the enemy fastlands and bicycle lands, right?

>>54030700
>Cycling
>Shit

Nice meme, bro.

>>54030740
>two mana mono-color tap cyclers
Fine, "lackluster" better?

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>>54030700
The common ones are completely fine
Cycling is inherently strong and will always be that way
Plus with all the new "if a desert is in your graveyard" cards that we're getting, those common lands get even stronger
It's extremely hard for me to defend the uncommons though

you know I wonder why wizards even tried to get us attached to amonket like it wasn't just there so bolas can fuck it up and the jacetice league has another reason to go to new planes, ruining everything in search of their figuartive white whale.

>>54030740
I think it's more that they are strictly worse than both previous cycles of common cycling lands.

>>54030732
Ixalan supports Naya and Grixis judging from the leaks, it will have to include some good mana fixing to achieve that

>>54030732
We will get the check lands (allied and enters tapped if you dont control 1 of 2 types of basic land)

>>54030768
They're not strictly worse, since they have relevant typing.

>>54030350
>pay and strip mine yourself to deal 2 damage

After the 3 mana bolt I should not be surprised.

>>54030777
You are correct. They are in fact not strictly worse then.

>>54030780

That's still a pretty powerful effect on a card that you can also use to make mana turns 1-5.

>>54030780
They're supposed to be late game mana sinks for when you're on or near topdeck wars, especially seeing as they're repeatable.

>>54030791
No son it's shit. Who whould pay 5 to do 2(two) damage? Just play the other desert and cycle it

>>54030816
You can't cycle the other desert if you played it turn 1 though.

>>54030780
It doesn't take up a card slot in your deck, you can sacrifice any desert to it, and it doesn't even come into play tapped. I see very little reason for why you wouldn't replace some of your mountains in any red deck for 3-4 of these.

>>54030757
I really don't feel like the format is going to be slow enough to accommodate a cycling land that requires two mana to cycle and comes into play tapped but that's not taking into account the whole Desert mechanic.

The Desert mechanic itself is going to be some grossly neutered build-around thing that like most build-around things of the past are just going to not have enough support. It's going to be like Constellation - one set; not enough density. I remember the Onslaught cyclers; that was an entirely different format/world. This is a world where curving out is so important that you could only afford to possibly play a tapped land if it fixes you. Card draw does not justify itself; not in present Standard where you're getting your shit pushed in by 3-power crazy things at one and two mana.

>>54030816
Someone whose opponent has 2 life or an X/2 that will either kill them or prevent them from killing their opponent.

>>54030350
>>54030672
The worst part is needing to sacrifice a desert specifically. They would be good if it was any land.

>>54030849
You can't deal damage to creatures with that land tho.

Red really isn't allowed to have nice things anymore, is it?

>>54030857
Still wouldn't say "good". Usable, sure, but not good.

>>54030816
In days past a highly aggressive deck will gladly play cards like this for extra reach. This card, like Teetering Peaks is a reasonable play in ridiculously aggressive decks (although it never saw play ever). The only reason why Stensia Bloodhall didn't see any play was because it didn't fix. The Sligh strategy without considering its own lifetotal is happy for a card like this. There are many times where you sleeve up 20 mountains where you would play a card like this; it's a fixed Stensia Bloodhall.

But this leads to the question, does such a deck to accommodate a card like this exist? I think the answer is no; I also feel like the other aggressive decks are too good right now that anybody would be willing to ping themselves multiple times just to get some reach.

>>54030861
Oh.
Well, just the first example then.

>>54030866
I bet Hazoret's card is just going to be "take control of target creature, it gets haste" for R

>>54028923
Flavor

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I wonder if those "deserts matter" cards will make some of the Amonkhet deserts more playable in limited.

>>54030670
Every color except Green Blue and Red are just support colors for White and Black now

>>54030672
A
FUCKING
MILL
LAND
HAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>54031005
>Every color except Green Blue and Red are just support colors for White and Black now
What did he mean by this?

>>54030700
I'd rather the common ones cycled for 1 coloured but they're fine. I really like the uncommon ones, they come in untapped, can produce colorless even if with downside and have relevant efects (except the blue one). I wonder if the green one finds itself in infect in a couple copies, but I won't hold my breath.

>>54026056
I don't see how living end would want this

>>54030672
Those are pretty decent. I mean, at least they come untapped. Mono and Two Colored deck should use those if those effects can be somehow relevant .

>>54026056
>strong card that is barely complex is rare
ebin :^)

>>54031213
Don't want to ruin Limited.

>>54031227
maybe they could make the rarities somewhat consistent in powerlevel instead of making all the common cards trash

>>54030672
I like these

>>54031213
How is this not complex? It takes a genius to figure out you can cycle to make it less expensive, imo it should be mythic

>>54031038
Why would you ever play 3 mana and sac an additional land for only +3/+3, you already got better pumps. Infect does not need or want another pump spell that dosent bring any protection in a post-fatal pushed world.

>>54031444
>Infect does not need or want another pump spell
This isn't a pump spell though. It's a land. It doesn't replace any of the cards in your deck other than lands.

>>54031227
I wonder if they'll ever realize that best Limited is unmanaged Limited.

>>54030350

In retrospect it was very silly of me to think that art would be for Invocation Lightning Bolt, wasn't it?

>>54031910
Silly to think and silly to hope.

>>54031444
The opportunity cost of playing it is very low, that's what's good about it

>>54030350
>thinking it would be a shock with ld
>its a shock that destroys your lands
lmao

>>54015942
Straight into Vela it goes.

>>54031717
The best limited formats are where there are nearly no bad cards: Modern Masters 1 and the Conspiracies

>>54026056
Can this cost zero? Or is the lowest it will cost is 1?

>>54032479
It can cost 0, yes.

>>54032479
>>54032525
Ok thanks. I was expecting them to cap off his costing at 1.

>>54030672
Red getting shafted again. Big surprise.

>>54032774
>tfw mostly play multiplayer constructed
>red one says each opponent
I actually like this cycle. I don't want to build the "eat my own lands for profit" deck, but if I did they all seem decent.

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>>54030350
>>54030672

For having to sacrifice a land, much less a land with a subtype, we could atleast get as much damage as Shard Volley.

Especially for 4 mana with double R.

>>54032819
I'd probably run the green and black ones in anything like a gitgud edh or summat, specially with the manaramp excavator snek that lets you play lands from grave so you can do it all over again.

>>54032849
Shard Volley costs you two cards.

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6/6 Hellion for 5RR, bolts every creature on etb

>>54032985
NO ES FAKE

>>54032947

Yeah, and you need atleast 4 mana and a desert to activate Ramunap Ruins.

>>54030689
Don't want to make limited board states too complex with on board tricks. Remember the Morningtide pre-release where a Wotc employee got an aneurysm because of the complexity.

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wow it's fucking nothing

>>54032985

>Red gets more unplayable garbage trash

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justdeserts.dec

>>54033155
This card could cost one mana and it would still be bad.

>>54033155
>Not "less than or equal to"
ONE JOB

>>54033155
Should this card have been X or less or X or more, or just flat out "whenever you cast a spell"

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>>54032985
NOW WATCH ME WHIP

>>54033155
>wasting something as cool as a DOOM counter on a do nothing enchantment that costs 3 mana so it's basically unplayable trash which take two other spells to even being being useful, and then it becomes hard to trigger reliably.

Why in the absolute fuck is red being shit on so hard?
Why is the entire R&D team made of green/white midrange players?

>>54033155
>need to cast 1cc,2cc,3cc to deal 6 damage.
>can target both creatures and players

3 sounds a bit high, but it can still do its damage.

anyway on how many freaking cards is bolas depicted as the focus? we get the expansion is about him but everything is either him or his horn-statues and then random things dying around him.
that's a very long tail my Lord...

>>54033171
>5 mana exploding veggies that fetches nonbasic plus conditional tokens
Eh, could be worse

>>54033236
>Complaining about too much Greatness
What are you? A SJW?

>>54033155
That's why they printed Open Fire, so you can stuff your RDW of 1, 2 and 3 cmc bolts to trigger the enchantment!
Thank you wotc

>>54033231

>green/white midrange players?

You mean Green/White/Black

>>54033266
>Impending Doom + Open Fire = one time use 6 damage for 3 mana spell
Barely good enough for limited

>Inb4 But it actually needs 3+1+2+3 mana for X+1+Y+2+3+3 damage
9 mana for at least 9 damage is also good enough for limited

>>54032985
it really is a shame how much limited affects the ability of cards, this could have easily been 5 mana, a 5/5 and been balanced for standard.

With all these cycling lands and sacrificing lands, Ramunap Excavator is going to be top snek in limited.

>>54033274
I mean "Everything but Mono-red and Red-white gets to have fun and the times red is played it's just because a multicoloured card requires it or for harnessed lightning/lightning axe."

>White gets a 1/1 that's almost always a 3/2 first strike and a 1/2 that replaces itself
>Green gets Sylvan advocate
>Black gets Valueheap scrounger

>Red gets 3 mana bolt

>>54030757

The black and red ones are decent enough

>>54033447
Red players are such fucking babies holy shit

>>54033546
You don't have to be a red player to complain about a 3 mana bolt

>>54031106

>turn 1 4/4
>not wanting it

>>54033546
>he thinks red is acceptable where it is now
THREE
MANA
BOLT

I don't even play red anymore but yea this is sad. WOTC actually just seems to hate anything that isn't Black or White these days

>It's another "red gets complete garbage" episode

>>54033728
This has to be the price we pay for getting Soul Scar Mage and Harsh Mentor.

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>>54032985
So it's a different take on Thunder Dragon. Eh. I guess it's okay for a Hellion.

>>54033850
>This has to be the price we pay for getting Bad Swiftspear and Niche Vintage Sideboard Card

>>54030690
It's a naga, how can it have legs?

>>54025605
then you come up with a card design that is a dual card that isn't a split card side by side or a flip card that you have to take in and out again... in the case of a few of them, heaven and earth, they get a unique panoramic art that they don't normally get to do, albeit small art, still can see what is going on.

>>54033155
Imagine having one card that dictates the rest of your deck's curve and then becomes literally useless after using it just a few times. Even in the most magical christmas land scenario ever in the christmas land format EDH you'd only be about to get what, 28 damage total, and it would take eight cards and 31 mana total to do. That's if you've already gimped your deck by planning for this piece of shit and making sure you have cards at every cost. They should have just printed a 3 mana bolt twice with a difference name, at least then it could do damage when you played it.