the good guys

yes
good thread

>>54009325
Relatively speaking, which says a lot about the other guys.

>>54009325
>>54009386
>>54009398
>>54009425
"He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved The Greater Good."

>>54009325
I'd call them 'The Nice Guys'
No one's really good in 40K, but fuck do the Tau try.

They're filthy fucking Xenos but hey, I like them.

>>54009425
>Belisarius Cawl circa 41.1k

>>54009463
And the fucked up thing about the 40k universe is you could still do worse. I mean, that's not the cruelest and most bloody regime imaginable.

>>54009325
full automated gay space communist weeaboos and thats why I play them <3

>>54009463
It took me an embarrassingly long time to realize this ending meant that he was also executed.

>>54009575
It's a pretty misleading intro though, since the Imperium is flat out stated to have "bright spots" in 6e and 7e.

>>54009325
Only the Farsight Enclaves can be considered good guys. The rest of the Tau are still shits.

>>54009325
the joke is that, transplanted whole sale, they would be just under the covenant from halo in terms of evil

but since their enemies are so much worse than them, they come across as naive good guys, but in star wars or star trek they would exist as villains

so yes they are "good guys" but only in the context of warhammer

>>54009662
This.

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>>54009325
Just finished my first stealth suit a few minutes ago, what do you guys think?

Isn't Guilliman writing a new book or something so that the citizens of the Imperium are no longer abused? Cawl isn't scared of innovation like the rest of the Mechanicus so technological advancement is actually a thing now. It seems like the Imperium is becoming more stereotypically "good guy" recently.

>>54009886
That's pretty kickass

>>54009886
neat

>>54009914
>Isn't Guilliman writing a new book or something so that the citizens of the Imperium are no longer abused?
No. Instead he's reconstituting Greater Ultramar. He says disbanding it down to a handful of worlds was a mistake, because Ultramar was supposed to be a beacon, a model of what the Imperium could be. And by making it a small handful of systems, he made that beacon nothing more than a small candle.

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>>54009886
dont forget to drill out barrels in the future. other wise pretty fuckin nice anon

>>54009886
it's great, but imagine if you could remodel the gray bits in transparent plastic

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>>54009325
Being a cuckold doesn't make you a good guy. Tau just like getting chirped by Kroot and other space races.

>>54010014
>Marneus Cruzgar
>hand over the Ultramarines, Rahboute

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>>54009325
low quality b8

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Damn straight, Tau'va is amazing.

A place for everyone and everyone in their place.

>>54009775
I don't think so depending on what fluff is canon on the Ethereals they could fit with Star Trek, probably have a similar deal with the Federation the same way the Klingons did.

>>54011531

Any good place to read about Tau killing stuff like humans and turning marines into swiss cheese?

>>54009914
>technological advancement is actually a thing now
>now

Tech advancement was always a thing, it's just forbidden outside of the mechanicus because when unregulated it inevitably leads to disaster.

I mean, when you're lucky you end up like the planet that cured every sickness. Nurgle didn't like that.

I like them because in most other sci-fi settings, they'd be the evil imperialistic aliens.

>>54011972
>because when unregulated it inevitably leads to disaster
The Tau have been building new shit all the time and have never had any disasters. The Imperium is even fascinated by their technology as evidenced by how Tech-Priests steal it. Meanwhile the Mechanicus sits around with their thumbs up their asses until Cawl comes along. He built better designs by himself in the last ten thousand years than the rest of the Mechanicus combined. Those red robed fucks are pathetic.

>>54012092
Tau are still young, how long until they start looking into better warp travel and catch somethings eye. Or what if they bump into one of the C'tan shards. Hell what if they have a Men of Iron scenario that would be devastating.

>>54012135
If the Tau's policy on technological innovation results in some sort of giant disaster then the AdMech will be vindicated. Until that event occurs they will continue to be a bunch of useless retards.

>>54012433
It's not really an if it's a when. This is 40k and there are good reasons the AdMech have their beliefs humanity and technology have a bad history.

>>54012446
>It's not really an if it's a when.
I guess we'll have to wait and see. Currently the Tau way of doing things is far superior.

>>54012478
For the most part, although the suppression of chaos by the Ethereals while good on paper is probably going to end badly like the last time chaos was suppressed.

>>54012528

Helps that Tau have an incredibly faint warp presence for sapients.

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>>54009648
That always stuck with me. Just the sadistic self aggrandizement of it. You catch a dissenter. You have the evidence to convict him under whatever passes for a justice system. But that's not enoigh; you then spend the time and effort to completely break this individual and convince him that this entire time he has been wrong. That the very thing that crushed his soul and is about to kill him is in fact worthy of adoration and respect. Grimdark isn't just about casual brutality and insignificance. the true horror is not only do you not matter, it's that there's a vested and tested methodology in convincing you that this is the right thing to do

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>>54009325
>Implying you want to get castrated and live in a collectivist shithole, instead of the greater shithole, where you can at least a individual and if you really work hard, can achieve atleast a bit better live.
Taulets, when will they get themselfes some backbone?

>>54009886
THIN YOUR PAINTS!

>>54009886
Thin your paints, and be more careful with the base next time. Other than that, pretty neat. Loving the cloak effect

>>54009325
I'm imagining alien covenant with tau fire warriors now.

>>54009325
I know they're the good guys. They wouldn't have plot armor thicker than their the Water caste's collective head and be able to Mary Sue their way to victory otherwise

>>54009325
>warhammer
>good guys

O i am laffin

>>54009662
I can't wait for the extra, extra good guy faction that rebels against farsight.

>>54009886
I wonder if you can cut out the unpainted part and replace it with translucent plastic?

>>54011972
You again? Dumbass, unregulated peace leads to Khornate invasions. The very same codex has Khorne genociding the solidarity of two worlds when they struck peace with each other.

You don't make decisions based on the fickle nature of the Chaos Gods. You just prepare for their invasions.

Also the admech codex says that the Admech are leading mankind's technology to ruination, having lost the ability to truly innovate a long time ago.

>>54012946
It's just baby's first 1984 dude.

>>54009886
The idea of the dispersing cloak effect is super cool but I think you need to be more delicate and detailed with your paints. Work on that and it'll be absolutely amazing.

>>54010063
Where in this article does a Kroot fuck the Tau's wife?

Otherwise you're not using the right fucking word you retard.

>>54012478
>I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Not that anon, but this isn't real life faggot, you can't "wait and see" because unless the GW writers decide to squat the faction, it's never actually going to happen.

And despite that, it's still just about a sure thing that their Drones will go Skynet on them.

>>54012135

They did in the Falls of Medusa V campaign iirc. They had some experiments which did not work well and the Earth Caste nixed further development along these lines. From the Lexuicanum:

Tau

"The Tau expedition's goal, to gather information about the warp, was largely successful; however, analysis of the gathered data, and the fates of those Tau who remained behind, caused Earth Caste scientists to believe that further research would be infeasible. The Fourth Expansion of the Tau Empire was thus delayed in order to further consolidate the recent Third Expansion."

Tau are about as close to good guys as there are in the setting. Which is to say, kinda darkish grey.

Chemically castrating civilians and putting them in death camps is definitely something the good guys would do. Glad we're on the same page OP.

>>54014297

The only time the Tau have ever sterilized humans in canon was on a world where the locals had attempted multiple bloody uprisings and rebellions for generations. They didnt even sterilize all the humans, just the dissenters so they would stop raising dissenter kids. 100 years later and the planet is peaceful now, because only loyal humans got to breed.

So the Tau solved their problem without just murdering everyone. Thats good shit by 40k standards.

And not like the Imperium doesnt do worse. Chem Gelding in a common enough punishment that the IoM has a term for it. They use it on psykers, space marines, and prisoners all the time.

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>Implying "Good" can ever accomplish anything

Submit to true power

As expected no Tau art in the Tau thread. Get better 40k fags

>>54009325

>the least bad of the bad guys

ftfy

>>54013039
>muh sterilisation maymay
>wanting children in the first place, even if it's true
>not wanting plasma weapons that are actually reliable and outrange almost any equivalent weapon in the galaxy
space nuns don't know how to have fun anyway, it's like you don't know how much fun the forbidden fruit of fucking another species is

>>54014992
also sterilization are for dissidents
if you are an honest Gue'vesa nothing will happen to you and if you fight hard enough you can get a battlesuit

>>54009325
Honest question, Can/could or do the Tau get married to the humans who have allied with them? As far as I know they dont belive in warp fuckry and I think it would boss dramatic to have your loving husband of 15 years suddenly reveal that they can light people on fire from 50 paces.

>>54015322
i think humans and tau can't marry
the same way that vespid and kroot can't marry tau
you can't even fuck tau girls because that would ruin the eugenics program installed by Ethereals

>>54015408
I hear what your laying down. And I'll accept that for cultural reasons they wont " officially marry" but the eugenics things shouldn't be a problem. I dont think you can hybridize humans and Tau can you? It might make it even more saucy if you had human "special friend" on the sly.

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>>54014992
>Further implying to betray your own race, just for some xenos puss, that actually are looking horrible if not drawn in anime style and thinking "Muh Advanced Tau Tech" will be a payoff for giving away your individuality as a human beeing.

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>>54015408
And why you would want to?
Also Daily Reminder that this is how female tau actually would look like.

you can not call them the good guys, the ydo pict related and only on of them has the balls to melee.

0 out of 10 would purge again

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>>54015613
forgot the fuckking pic.
and man kind is obviously superior, look at the tech and what that does for them

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>>54015528
She has a great personality! shut up!

>>54015613
Kitten if you're going to post, at least remember to attached your image.

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>>54015528
oh come on, saying that every tau female look like Shadowsun is like saying every human female look like this

>>54015509
>muh race
nigga you jelly of that blueberry, don't even deny it
>muh individuality
>what are Pathfinders

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>>54015692
I meant the face. Fucking Fish People

>>54015638
That is actually correct, and if shes a nice person, you have my blessing. Still getting rightfully purged, though.

>>54015053
You've got me hooked anon, i'm all ears; tell me more about the greater good

>>54015692
Shadowsun is probably more representative of all Shas Females.

Aun, Por, Kor, and Fio castes look a lot different.

>>54016470
Tau themselves think Shadowsun is beautiful.

>>54011642
Any story that involves them.

>>54012570
Doesn't matter.
Skulls are skulls.
Holes are holes.
Bodies are bodies.
And Plans are plans.

>>54015053
>you can get a battlesuit
Bullshit.
Tau are stingy, even with pulse rifles.

>>54016537
Makes sense for the Tau, especially Shas Tau.

But given the fact the castes are not allowed to interbreed, I would be pretty surprised if a Fio'ui would find her attractive.

>>54016572
Not true. It absolutely does matter. The Tau's warp presence, or lack there of, more or less means it isn't worth the effort to use them to power Chaos.

>>54016537
Well, that's because their standards are different than hours. The Tau girls that think they're ugly are the ones who are beautiful to us humans. Which is why they're superior, there's nothing better than a beautiful girl who thinks she's ugly.

>>54015780
>muh race
Is the rightful supreme rule of the galaxy.
>muh individuality
Would willingly give for the future of mankind
>what are Pathfinders
Cowardly little shits that falls over as soon as you stab them.

>>54016599
>isn't worth the effort
No such thing. They are lucky they are shielded from the worst of it by the Imperium.

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>>54009325
But no the guys having the most fun

>>54016632
For the same result turning a dozen Tau to Chaos you can get six humans or a single Eldar.

Isn't worth the investment.

>>54016650
>Chaos are now apparently venture capitalists

>>54009325
At least they'll actually give a shit if you're getting eaten by tyranids.

>>54016745
In a sense, sure.

But it isn't even just Chaos that does that. Everyone in 40k does that, hell you can expand it to just everyone who can think critically. Why would anyone invest in something that doesn't give them a good return?

And to 'your' previous point of
>hey are lucky they are shielded from the worst of it by the Imperium.
Chaos isn't hampered by distance. They could skip the Imperium by going through the Immeterium and enter Tau space directly. There is a good reason as to why there aren't more stories of major Chaos invasions of Tau space.

>>54016617
>rightful ruler
Don't let your people suffer then.
>giving up your individuality not for a weeb waifu and servant droids and cools suits but just to keep a brutal oppressive regime running
Retard.
>stabbing
This is where you fail imperial, the Galactic East Anime Club is a far better place to live in than your squalid hives and penal planets with nothing to look forward to but death to end tour labors.

>>54016807
>Khorne corrupts several tau
>they're orks now pretty much, but with better gear
Picturing a tau with no suit shouting "Chop! Chop! Stomp! Stomp!" or "Blood for the blood god!" as he wields a massive axe cutting down primaris is hilarious.

>>54015509
>individuality
>in the imperium of man

>>54016617
>Pathfinders
>Cowardly
In the fluff they have like 85% casualty rates. Everyone in the Shas caste knows this, but they still have more volunteers than there are Pathfinder positions available. Pathfinders are some of the bravest people in the Tau Empire.

>>54016901
>Khornate Tau
>Melee
Come on. They'd be a sniper reaping a terrible bounty of kills or some rifleman doing the same.

>>54009775

Eh, not really. Tau are pretty close morally to modern day Imperialism(the kind that Russia and the US typically employ).

>>54016925
Berserkers are funnier to me, and they'd be too twitchy to aim properly.

>>54016957
You do realize not all of Khorne's followers are bersekers right?

>>54016983
When I think khorne, I think DoW.
Then again, DoW is what comes to mind when I think 40k.

>>54017036
Khornate Berserkers are clearly the most famous and powerful, but far from the only. Or even majority, I would wager.

Mortal Khornates use guns like everyone else.

>>54016914
Yes. More than in the collectivist shitshow that is the tau empire. As long as you do it within the imperial system you can be who you want. The Tau are a society, which likes cast systems.

>>54017279
>More than in the collectivist shitshow that is the tau empire
You step out of line you get fucking executed and are worked to death by an overlord if you're not.
So much for individuality.

>>54013039
>the imperium isn't a collectivist shithole
>you can be an individual and achieve a better life through hard work.
>in the imperium

You've gone full retard m8

>>54012446

Because it's 40k it's actually more likely that they don't have a good reason. That is the point of the setting. The Imperium of man is needlessly cruel, it's technology is stunted needlessly.

>>54017450
No. You can for example join the Imperial Guard, which will increase you life standarts, for the short time you life. And I set a bit better, I know the living standarts in the Imperium. Also the Imperium is indeed not collectivist. It specifically works because of inunity.

>>54017782
>>54017279
>cast systems
>inunity
>And I set a bit better
>standarts

are you retarded or

>>54017782
>you can join the cannonfodder team where cowardice is met with death
Stop choking on that imperial propaganda.

>>54018015
And it will be better than working for some ethereals that want to enslave the entire galaxy.
Stop choking on that Ethereal Cast Propaganda.

>>54017428
Depends on the planet, maybe don't base your entire notions of the Imperium on Hive World trash .

>>54009325
God I hate the Tau.

>>54014113
Maybe make a mould of some parts and try to use hot glue or clear epoxy mix in it

>>54017524
There is a reason for the stunting though, it's based on 10,000 year old superstitions but they are reasons none the less. Almost all of the problems in the Imperium were caused by trying to not repeat the failures of the past, but becasue this is the grimdarkness of the far future these counter measures make things worse.

>>54009648
>executed

how embarrassed will you feel when you realise you were wrong?

>>54018236
>don't base your opinions on the bulk of the population

>>54018174
The only thing I'm choking on is food. A foreign and therefore heretical substance to you no doubt.

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>>54018869
>Implying you need something barbaric as food. The Flesh is weak anyway.

>>54018869
It's basically saying all of earth has shit lives and air quality because china is an over populated shit hole.

Tau empire are worse than USSR in space, the real question is if they're better than worse than nazis in space.

As bad as it is, the imperium doesn't have caste systems, mind wiping, literal control of the populace, etc. The imperium is actually a meritocracy, just a giant uncaring unfeeling one with strict rules, and you're always competing with planets of other candidates. But the fabricator general, or space marine chapter masters don't actually require bloodline or preexisting status to gain, all they require is hard work, dedication, and a little bit of luck. Supernatural hard work and dedication, true, but it's fully possible for an unassuming prole on mars to work his way up from engineer to enginseer to magos, and people who do work their way up the ladder are given the highest of respect.
The Tau, on the other hand, have the tightest of caste systems. If you are born fire caste you will spend every day of your life training. If you show promise you might get promoted or you might be stuck in a pathfinder suicide team, given an experimental ion rifle, and told to keep shooting it until you die. Even if you do work your way up at any given trial or branch in the ladder you might be given command over a crisis suit team or you might be stuck in a riptide to die of cancer. The imperium gives its dangerous and experimental weapons to recruits, tau give them to commanders. The imperium only make servitors of criminals, the tau lobotomise their most successful and skilled commanders to make them more combat efficient.
Mark my words, we will see chaos tau long before chaos eldar, and Farsight is already displaying prominent signs of light chaos possession (absorbing the souls of khornate demons with the dawn blade, armour painted red, part of the team "the eight", loves CQB, etc.). The tau are a strict system of large-scale oppression, and the image of positive naivety is one made only from the brainwashed minds of fire caste grunts.
And then there's auxiliaries

>>54018787
I'd have to read the book again because it's been years, but as I recall he's told pretty much point-blank that he won't be executed until he sees the error of his ways, because if they execute him before then, they believe that that will let his idea of dissent survive. His execution is implicit with him coming to love Big Brother. I also remember several references to people who disappear, reappear and then disappear for good.

>>54019171
Everything right, except the fact that the Imperium is not the Nazi Empire, despite here and there are some inspirations of course. They are a Theocratic Olligarchy with a Feudalistic System.

>>54019072
Most of earth does have shit lives.

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>>54009325
Nice try. There is only one force of progress, openness and tolerance in the 40k universe.
Anime sisters of battle are pretty kewl too.

>>54020192
This.

>>54014188
>it's still just about a sure thing that their Drones will go Skynet on them
I doubt that. I guess we will have to wait and see. So far the drones are working perfectly. :^)

>>54016592
Not really. We saw Tau Gue'vesa regiments fully with devilfishes and pulse rifles.

A Gue'vesa'O was using a suit and leading Tau fire wariors.

>>54016604
Daemons call Shadowsun the Ice Queen. A human girl called Shadowsun the Star Princess. She must have some kind of regal beauty to be referred to as such.

>>54019171
>doesn't have caste systems, mind wiping, literal control of the populace, etc.

Wrong, they do. In Cain's novel there was a planet where women were the higher caste while the men were subjugated.

Mind wiping in standard procedure in the Imperium. From the Inquisition doing it to being the standard in training stormtroopers and Commissars. I don't recall a single instance of the Tau doing it.

> literal control of the populace

Bitch, the Tau are noted to be less obsessive toeards their populace than the Imperium who have taken it to insane degrees.

Your entire tl;dr post is full with out right lies and bullshit. Here is some. meritocracy is not the rule in the Imperium as it is in the Tau Empire. Nobility tends to get the higher positions more so than the plebs.

As for experimental weapons? The operator gets to choose if he uses him or not. Nobody forces. The operator chooses to set the weapon to danger mode, it doesn't come so as a default feature. In fact, the Tau command forbade dangerous weapons from being mainstay weapons of the Tau military until they are made safe which is something unthinkable to the Imperium.

This kind of posts makes utterly believe that Imperial fans are real life nazis. Nobody lies like that which such evil intent except NAZI SCUM.

>>54009325

Problem is how irrelevant they are

>>54024012
They weren't irrelevant in 6th and 7th, that's for sure.

>>54024167

We are talking fluff right?

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>>54009325
the good guys

>>54024451
Yes. I would dare to say that the average tau citizen is very close to what you or i would see as a regular person. And their view on conquest is simular to 20th century imperialism. Eldar, necron and humans have a policy of Lebensraum. and nobody else is even close to debatable.

>>54024764
I can't stand regular people, so that fits.

>>54009886
>buy stealth suit box
>cut each stealth suit in half
>paint energy phase out effect at the cut
>paint rest of model normally
>stick each half on a separate base

And that's how you outjew GW.

>>54020192
Tolerance comes from tolerare, meaning to suffer. It's cuckoldry to the max.

>>54023255
>Not really. We saw Tau Gue'vesa regiments fully with devilfishes and pulse rifles.

>A Gue'vesa'O was using a suit and leading Tau fire wariors.

Where is the fluff that has this?

>>54025442
Damocles Anthology.

Shape of the Hunt.

>>54024451
>Force you into a life of better medical care, better living conditions, and maximal comfort compared to the brutal, uncaring dictatorship you survive under that treats your equipment as a more valuable commodity than your lives
Meanwhile
>WE'RE THE IMPERIUM, PREPARE TO HAVE YOUR RACE PURGED FOR GLORY OF THE GOD-EMPEROR
A quick conquest leading to a better life OR an Empire who's first reaction is wholesale genocide.
Yeah, keep telling yourself the Tau are evil

>>54025832
>nice living conditions make you the good guy

The Imperium does what it takes to survive. The only reason the Tau haven't fallen is because their models sell well.

>>54025935
No, not treating their citizens like they're disposable trash makes them the good guys. Imperial players like to harp on about "we're doing what it takes to survive", while their system is canonically rife with superstition, stagnation, and corruption.
No, you're just surviving, when you could be doing so much better. The Imperium won't move forward without someone to show them that a better way is possible. That's why they brought Guilliman back, because he's a look at what the Imperium COULD be.

>>54026107
You forget that the Imperium has to manage much much larger populations with lower level tech. The warp also poses a much bigger threat to them.

>>54026151
Oh I didn't forget, I'm just pointing out that their tech doesnt HAVE to be as shit as it is. There are logistics problems, sure, but when there is such a huge pushback against technological developement in the fluff, the Imperium isn't doing itself any favors by needlessly limiting itself. As for their susceptibility to Chaos, we saw in the Horus Heresy novels that there were human empires that understood full well the danger of the warp, and managed to find ways to defend themselves from it.

>>54023388
>actually drinking the 3rd ed and 4th end codex kool-aid
Read the farsight enclaves supplement or something, the highest of the fire caste commanders are still completely subject to the whim of the ethereals. If they want to kill you and analyse your brain, they will. If they want to lobotomise you and fill your brain with commander.exe they will. Every caste simply consist of disposable tools for the ethereals to rule with, a great commander will never be given rewards and praise and retirement schemes, they'll be pushed to the breaking point whether they like it or not. But the brainwashing and likely pherenonal control make it so they usually don't complain that much.

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>>54020192
>Posting guy who burns people alive only because they were ruled by eldar
>guy who thinks burning people alive with flamethrowers is somehow humane
Mate you got wrong intel, pic related is better primarch in every possible way including being alive and getting shit done.

>>54026364
That was Aun'Va's cruelty.

The general rule is that no one is disposable.

>a great commander will never be given rewards and praise and retirement schemes

Fuck off, Nazi. Old Fire Warrior commanders get to retire and act as Council members. One example is Shadowsun's father who got to retire with his assigned waifu and three daughters.

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>>54012946
"The greatest victory is to force your enemy to see that he was in the wrong to oppose you."

>>54026254
Even if the Imperium didn't cling to it's old holy tech, equipping every army with new stuff would take decades at the quickest; probably hundreds of years. By then new stuff will have been developed.

>>54009325
>>54009386
>>54009398
Only in a setting like 40K, where everyone is trying to kill you because you're not them, can a faction who offers the option of either death OR brain-washed, cultist-style servitude verging on slavery be considered remotely close to "good guys".

>>54009325
There are no good guys. Every faction is evil and does awful things.

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>>54020192
>tolerance
>good

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>>54014992
>how much fun the forbidden fruit of fucking another species is
What do we call this degeneracy? Berry burning?

Anyway, I have yet to see that the Sororitas are celibate like the nuns of the catholic church. Nuns know what do.

>>54009886
thin your goddamn paints

>>54027270
Still one of the best villains ever

>>54027519

At least you get an option to live. Everyone else either wants to purge you, eat you alive, break you down into genetic material to play with, rape you, corrupt you, or all of the above at the same time.

The Tau may be fucked up to a degree, being space communists and all that, but there are far worse races in 40k.

>>54023388
>>54027000
>hurr, you like a different faction, you must be an ebil NAZI
kys

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>>54023388
>Yes, but the Imperium in Genrealty has no Cast System.

>>54009325
Tau are the Americans of 40k

>relatively young civilization
>excessive military strength
>advanced drone technology
>"fixing" the cultures of other civilizations
>outsourcing the hard work
>extremely dubious corrupt government
>The Greater Good =/= American Dream

>>54009886
le thin your paints XD

>>54024451
>literally the policy of every government ever
What do you think police do? If they must they force compliance to the law at the point of a gun.

>>54012446
>Setting is specifically about the 'cruelest and bloodiest regime imaginable'
>They have good reasons!

No. The Imperium of Man is specifically a hyper-corrupt and pointlessly cruel collection of idiots (up until Mary Smurf showed up). A regime that is cruel because of incompetence is obviously more cruel than one which is cruel in order to prevent greater cruelties, and the Imperium is very explicitly maximum cruel.

>>54014128
> Dumbass, unregulated peace leads to Khornate invasions. The very same codex has Khorne genociding the solidarity of two worlds when they struck peace with each other.

And your takeaway there is "let's be Khorne's pawns" rather than "maybe Khorne is the bad guys?"

>>54009325
And anyone who disagrees goes to the Sunshine Smiles Community Centre for the Socially Different, right?

>>54019171
>Mark my words, we will see chaos tau long before chaos eldar,

The Dark Eldar constantly re-enact the exact same debauchery that birthed an actual Chaos god. They found a way to cheat the consequences, but they still act exactly Slaaneshi cultists because they made Slaanesh.

Also, Craftworld Eldar primarily worship a bloody-handed god who stabs the shit out of everything in close quarters combat, and they invoke this god with ritual possession that consumes the host to create a giant avatar who wears the mark of Khorne as a hat and also Khorne has personally claimed that god as one of his own. He's a bloodthirster. Khaine is a bloodthirster. Avatars of Khaine are also bloodthirsters. Chaos Eldar are the main Eldar faction. It's amazing this shit has to be explained to anyone who's familiar with both Khorne and Khaine. The "secret" was not subtle at all.

>>54028204
Sororitas constantly engage in self-mortification and abstinence from pleasures.

There is very little evidence to imply that this doesn't include fucking.

>>54027430
So there's a constant stream of new tech steadily making its way out to the troops, and the most elite units who are prioritized for the best kit will have stuff that's decades or centuries ahead of backwater garrisons. So what? Everyone's stuff still gets upgraded within a few centuries, which is better than your tech advancing so slowly that ships Chaos stole five thousand years ago are still competitive in open fleet battles.

>>54033697
So what you're saying is that it's all blowjobs and anal.

>>54033738
You don't know what "self-mortification" means, huh.

This isn't Catholic school, bud.

>>54033761
I don't know if the problem here is that you don't know what self-mortification means or you don't know how blowjobs/anal work on the woman's end, but either way you need to do some Googling.

>>54016901

So far, it seems that for all its orwelluan overtones the Greater Good curbs chaos cults far better than anything the Imperium has ever tried.

The Tau are fucking terrified of their past of being so warlike they almost killed themselves. They would literally rather died than serve Khorne.

They dont have any personal ambition, since thats not the Greater Good, which means that the promises of Slaneesh and Tzeentch have little hold on them.

They dont believe in magic, which further screws up Tzeentch. If they are given Excess their first instinct is to share it rather than keep it, which fucks with Slaneesh.

And they are the least stagnant and most optimistic faction, so Nurgle doesnt have a lot of hopelessness and decay to work with.

Chaos is a Apex Predator for the Imperium, but the Tau are not buying anything Chaos is selling. They dont want it.

>>54033815

Definition of mortification

1: the subjection and denial of bodily passions and appetites by abstinence or self-inflicted pain or discomfort •was customary to practice mortification during Lent

>by abstinence

I feel sad for you that you've never met a girl who enjoyed either of those things, by the way.

>>54026364
Exactly the the Etherials pheromonal, in addition psychic, control of the population acts as the glue for Tau civilization. Still, I'd rather live in the Tau empire. Even if you're basically a slave, you're still happy.

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>>54033818
Seems like they got over the whole "fear of war" thing, what with all the wars they do. And the way one of them accidentally became a champion of Khorne.

>>54033875
Right, so the problem here is definitely that you don't know how blowjobs/anal work. I'll give you a hint: Porn lied to you.

>>54033884
Nvm the organ in their head is for pheromones, I'm remembering xenology wrong.

>>54033927
You're a virgin, aren't you?

>>54034120
I'm not the one who thinks the throat is an erogenous zone because the girls in porn smile while sucking dick.

>>54034146
You actually have never met a girl who enjoyed oral sex, that's really sad.

>>54012092
Of course the Mechanicus wants their tech. They hoard Predator patterns despite having far superior tanks themselves in the Krios class, it's not a matter of power, they want ALL of it.

Cawl is the one Techpriest who has RELEASED his personal bullshit research. Almost every Archmagos does his own - Satarael into immortality, Kotov into the Ghoul Stars, Telok into the Breath of the Gods, the Reality Cages, six thousand other things.

AAND if they screw up, then they lose planets to Chaos or whatever superweapon or daemonic virus they just unleashed, or if it's something like a Higgs-Ground Bomb or something that causes quark colour asymmetry they may have just blown up the universe, so they have to keep it secret even on planets where research is accepted, because yes, some of the Mech are doctrinal lunatics and some are chill dudes, they're a galactic entity so everything on that spectrum is true somewhere.

Tau had peace, a comparative lack of threats and a unified civilisation to develop their tech in, and now they are at war with three or four deadly alien races that have only spared them by Bigger Fish situations and their best general just led a rebellion. They're going to run out of theories, then out of applications, then out of materiel to test things, since they've already shut down certain research programs and just lost an entire huge fleet to the Warp.

>>54034156
Okay. I'm going to stop trying to lead you to figure out the answers by yourself and just put everything in front of you and see if you can manage to wrap your head around the joke.

You mentioned the fluff about sisters self-mortifying. Then I made a joke where I presumed that you were referring to sex acts which are not, generally speaking, considered pleasurable for the woman. Ha ha! Get it? Because you were obviously implying something else, but instead I assumed that you were referring to something technically possible but obviously not what you meant from context!

Now, observant readers might note here that this is kind of an obvious joke. You, evidently, are not one of those, though, because it went right the fuck past you, and instead you started showing off your lack of exposure to the opposite sex (or your inability to grasp the English language - I'm not sure if that would be more or less generous). Because the reason why all the girls like blowjobs/anal in porn is because they are paid to act like that whether they do or not, fucking obviously. Also because the proportion of girls who like anal is going to be a lot higher amongst models for anal sex than in the general population. But what's important here is that the number of girls who enjoy these sex acts is, in fact, quite a bit less than half. It's uncommon. It's a weird thing. If you take an all-female organization and do *not* select specifically for people who like those sex acts, the majority of women in that organization will not enjoy those sex acts. It would be like self-flagellation, and just like self-flagellation, the tradition was probably started by people who were secretly into it. Which means that having Sisters perform those sex acts exclusively would be a loophole in the "no pleasures of the flesh" thing. Get it? Do you catch the punchline yet? Has the obvious joke penetrated your retardation?

>>54033918

If we take that game as canon, Fire Warriors gun down Space Marines like they were orks in hats. Come on, man.

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>>54034349
Man I ain't even the guy you replied to and I think you just dug yourself deeper with this

>>54034349
tl;dr lol

Your virginity is palpable.

>>54034364
That's why there's a theory that he's secretly a champion of Khorne - a regular Fire Warrior couldn't possibly have done all that.

>>54034413

Or, and here's something to really make you think so mych it makes you post "Really makes you think"... its a first person shooter game. End of explanation.

>>54034380
>>54034376

On the one hand, the diction and grammar aren't especially similar.

On the other hand, I really don't want to believe that there are two people too stupid to catch a "so what you're saying is [thing straight man was obviously not saying]" joke. That's a really common joke setup. Missing it is just one notch less stupid than asking how a cow can knock on doors in a knock knock joke.

>>54034413
The official novel had Kais shouting "BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!"

>>54034435
I mean, yeah, but if you take that approach then literally all fluff discussions are moot because it's all just stuff that people wrote.

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>>54012135
They have far, far, FAR too much plot armor for that. For a BL author to write in a single Tau death he requires codes and simultaneous key turns, much like launching a nuclear warhead.

>>54034466

Im just saying that we shouldnt take mandatory game mechanics of the genre as fact of the setting.

This logic leads to Space Marines only build able to build Land Raiders if they first plant a flag somewhere important. No flag, and the Land Raider literally cannot function. Because DoW.

>>54034470

Okay, I'll walk you through this one, too.

Do you see that first line, the one where I say that it doesn't actually look like much of a samefag at all?

Do you then see that second line, the one where I express astonishment at how stupid you are? That second one is called "hyperbole," and from that and the first line we can deduce that I did not actually suspect samefagging at all. Are we on Reddit now? Do I need to put a fucking /s tag on my next obvious joke?

>>54034556
Is this the fabled virgin rage?

>>54034575
>If I call him a virgin enough, it will magically be true!

Jesus, man, put some effort into it. At least I use more than one tired cliche when I'm making fun of you.

>>54034604
Virgin.

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>>54009662
Sort of agree. I think Farsight are the unironic good guys that, if the rest of the galaxy at least tried to do what they do, the universe would be a MUCH better place.

But I think the Tau are less evil as much as they are a reflection of the inherent evils of neoliberalism. They do shady shit and control their people kind of, but freedom still exists, people have a high quality of life, and aren't murdered constantly for no reason.

Tbh the greatest sin of the Tau Empire is shady shit done by the upper upper class. For the most part, the Tau Empire are no more evil than any other first world nation in modern times, no matter how much overblown 1984 shit posting is thrown their way by people who play like. The Imperium.

I think Tau are among the most interesting factions in 40k due to all the political ideology that's built into their core and the fact that by having literally any at all, they're leagues better than almost anything any other faction has to offer.

>>54034413
It's called being the protagonist of a single player game. When in this context, a scientist may be able to go through aliens invasions while escaping special forces, or a tomb robber can face mercenaries, mutants, dinosaurs and Egyptian gods...
So yeah, Khorne.

>>54034631
Look, this isn't any fun if you just lie there while I do all the work. If you aren't going to work my shaft at all, I won't be able to keep hatefucking you. I'm practically limp already.

>>54034679
Well, honestly I'm getting great returns for practically zero effort.

Why would I?

>>54034413
It's not even a theory. The book (which is probably the best Tau book out there not counting the Cain story, though it's still pretty flawed) makes it explicit.

The demon says that out of all the Tau in system, Kais was pretty much the only succeptable one. Because he had some serious daddy issues.

>>54034691
That's it. I'm getting dressed and going over to Wayne's house. He's always willing to work for the hatred.

>>54025070
the meta just got real

>>54034720
Kiss me you fool.

>>54034349
thirsty af

>>54009325
The Tau provide a perspective of the IoM from a view closer to our own. Stuff we can start to take for granted in the IoM fluff (like Tech Priests, servitors, blood-drinking supermutants dressed in skulls) the Tau see as horrifying madness.

But they aren't the Good Guys. Recent fluff especially has done a lot to add to the evil side of the Empire. (Ethereals disappearing people who fail the Trial of Fire, hiding Chaos from the general population, lying to the people about Aun'Va.)

It's like walking a tightrope, because make them too good and they don't quite fit in the setting, make them too evil and they become just another evil xenos faction, but with mechs.

>>54033672
>khorne and slaanesh are mortal enemies
IT ALL MAKES SENSE

>>54034649
>they are a reflection of the inherent evils of neoliberalism
Then neoliberalism is a fucking evil system

>They do shady shit and control their people kind of
"kind of"

>but freedom still exists
ha
>people have a high quality of life
not an argument against a totalitarian tyranny being evil
>and aren't murdered constantly for no reason
Of course not! To be murdered a person has to exist! ÷)

>>54034649
>Tau
>>neoliberalism

Not sure how you came to that conclusion buddy. The Tau aren't any more neoliberal than they are Communist.

I think the closest analogy you could get to the Tau would probably be the Persian Empire, weirdly enough. (Though there are some similarities to the US. Why do you think they're so popular in America?)

>>54035206
>Come from the East
>Ruled by oligarchy with theocratic overtones
>Made their empire by telling other civilizations to "join or die", then used subjugated peoples in their armies as specialists, doing what they do best
>Fighting style relies on shooting and speed
>More advanced and tolerant than contemporary civilizations

Persian Empire or Tau Empire? You decide!

>>54033918
>Seems like they got over the whole "fear of war" thing, what with all the wars they do. And the way one of them accidentally became a champion of Khorne

aren't Tau immune to chaos or something?

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>>54035023
I think you're trolling but Imperiumfags get just as irrationally butthurt and angry because muh humies so hard to tell.

But yes. Kind of shady backdoor shit is less evil than a radical theological government who routinely genocides their own people, responds to free speech with murder, and uses whatever the hell a servitor is.

You can argue how 'evil' the Tau are but that evil rarely ever extends to their own citizens, they use diplomacy, and even allow beaten enemies to retreat. Besides the very very odd duck Space Marine Chapter and maybe a particularly nice/manipulative Craftworld, you don't get that kind of shit.

Less evil shit would happen constantly if the Tau controlled the universe. Therefore, imo, Tau are the 'Good Guys'. Very diet evil.

>>54035206
I didn't necessarily mean their governance operated in the same way-- I mean, they have a wacky caste system its going to be difficult to find a 1:1 ratio. I really meant their shadiness existed in the same way neoliberal shadiness exists-- hidden from public view by complacency and a high quality of life, kept mainly cooped up among the highest ranking nationals.

I probably should have been more specific anon, my bad.

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>>54035289
That's pretty neat anon! I don't know much about the Persian Empire, but that comparison alone is enough to get me interested in them.

>>54035839
Those who fail the Trial of Fire disappear in the night and everyone pretends they never existed at all.

That's not "neoliberalism" you fuck. That's Stalinist Russia.

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>>54036064
Yeah that one bit of lore added in the past edition is pretty evil, but also dubious, open ended. Of course, we know nothing about it save for the fact that they're 'rarely seen again' because its pointless grimdark injected into the faction after people complained about it earlier, but sure, you're not wrong.

It's still better than killing your soldiers on the front lines to boost morale, exterminating entire planets based on little to no research, and murdering swathes of your own men for asking a question or seeing something vaguely spooky.

The point still stands. Even with shadiness present in the Trail by Fire, fuck, even with the Puretide Chips which are super evil, the Tau Empire remain the good guys compared to almost every other faction out there.

>>54036169
They're only seen as good guys because they actually treat their prisoners nice and let them join up.

Tau citizens also have free will to do whatever they want, just so long as it's within the Caste requirements and serves the greater good. So no being selfish.

>>54036193
Hey man, if it looks like a good guy, acts like a good guy, doesn't wantonly kill off it's own civilians like a good guy, doesn't genocide other races like a good guy.

It might be a good guy.

Or at least the closest thing to it in 40k.

>>54036236
Don't they threaten to genocide other aliens at gun point?

>>54036169
>In theory, damage to the Battlesuit unit, whether it be through the lopping off of limbs, the firing of bullets into the chassis, electrocution, burning, or the "beheading" of the primary optic sensor, will not cause pain or discomfort to the pilot inside. However, veteran Battlesuit pilots have been known to develop ho’or-ata-t’chel, which are sympathetic ghost pains and phantom reactions to external damage. This condition is also known as Battlesuit Neurosis, and can cause serious problems in the lives of Battlesuit pilots outside their Battlesuit. Fire Warriors have been known to be so traumatised at losing their Battlesuit's sensor cluster "head" that they have spent months in a psychosomatic coma. Some Battlesuit veterans at the end of their careers may also develop quirks such as trying to fly without their Battlesuit, or not being able to understand why they walk or move properly in normal life when their Battlesuit was damaged.
>ion weaponry
>literal suicide bomb wargear option
>forced eugenics
>mind control worms

le good guy faction

>>54036312
>hive worlds
kys

>>54036367
Super cool argument, kiddo.

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>>54036312
I'd do something to those battlesuits.

>>54036312
Compared to the Imperium.

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>>54036302
Not really. They'll wage war but I don't think they genocide you unless you're Orks. Even if you lose you get inducted into the Empire.

Still Imperialist and shitty, but so are modern first world nations.

>>54036312
Anon, someone suffering from phantom pains isn't a good or evil thing, it's just a shitty concequence of war.

Nor is using ion weaponry. We like Lukas the Trickster is a cool guy for having that wacky bomb in his chest amongst many other characters. Every faction in 40k uses fucking flamethrowers my man, it's just how war is waged and Crisis Suits aren't ever thrown up expected to self detonate and die because the Tau isn't stupid or evil, like the Imperium.

Oh, also eugenics apply only towards the Tau themselves and while kind of shitty aren't inherently evil because their cultural view of breeding is completely different from our own.

The mind control worms have never provably done anything malignant or been used in any way throughout the Empire besides being kind of unpleasant fuckers.

I'm sure the next guardsmen player who writes a Tau codex will be more than happy to have them napalm an orphanage or something so keep at it champ!

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>>54033918
Someone should really remake this game.

>>54034818
>make them too good and they don't quite fit in the setting
Never got that argument myself. Having a foil faction is almost necessary otherwise the setting is just a grinding, endless, forced march of grimdarkness.

Without light, you can't know what darkness is.

>>54009886
>posting an old image and claiming it's your work
>newfags actually fall for it

>>54036514
It was shitty even by 2003 standards.

>>54009325
Considering the Tau genocide humans, I wouldn't say they're very good. They certainly have no moral high ground compared to the Imperium.

>>54036534
Maybe, but the idea was cool. I'd be game for more 40k games not about the Imperium.

>>54036534
>It was shitty even by 2003 standards.
Really? I don't remember it being a bad game.

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>>54036547
What is Gue'vesa.

Also, bait.

>>54036456
>Oh, also eugenics apply only towards the Nazis themselves and while kind of shitty aren't inherently evil because the Nazis' cultural view of breeding is completely different from our own.
This is how retarded you sound anon

>>54036571
The Nazis forced unwilling people to take part and very much did not keep it to themselves, what with the whole invading other countries and forcing them to take part.

The Tau are cool because in just about any other setting, they'd be the bad guys. They're also cool in that they highlight that the extreme views and methods of the Imperium are not necessary, which underscores the satirical nature of the setting and acts as a fly in the ointment for them people that insist the Imperium suppressing every freedom known to man and burning their own worlds for having th gall to reject their authority is totally justified.

>>54036571
>Race lacking in sex drive with extremely dimorphic physiologies allowing the government to control a function of their lives they don't give a fuck about =/= white supremacy and a human view of eugenics

Anon, Air Caste have fucking wings. Humans still get to fuck who they want and the concept of Tau romance doesn't exist and never has, no matter how many Tau with tits you fap to.

>>54036571
This isn't a difference between cultures, this is an inherent difference between species. It's why people hardly react to the news that a cat ate it's dead owner, but will lose their shit at the idea of a person eating their dead family member.

This is exactly why xenos are bad, m'kay. They're just inherently different than us in ways that can't be reconciled peacefully. Admittedly the Tau are a borderline csse because we could probably oppress them into human civilization, but that's mostly because they could be oppressed into anything.

>>54011531
No they don't that's propaganda the tau are racist and will never allow alien races into the ethereal caste. You tau empire faggots are just niggers in the eyes of the tau

>>54036624
Damn anon, now I want to play a Rogue Trader who teaches Tau women how to love. Captain Tiberius Kirkus.

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>>54036621
This.

Tau are about one season of Star Trek away from becoming truly 'good guys' in the sense of most any other piece of fiction. By comparison, everyone else though is more or less the Borg.

>>54036666
Why just Tau women?

>>54009325
No. The Tau largely operate on a looter's government of chemically regulated and mandated altruism. The greatest good is the individual, and the promulgation of individual rights. The Tau serve Ethereal masters, not themselves, and as such are deluded, ignorantly practicing the most sinister evil; Communism.

It's telling that even in the fantastical landscape that is 40k canon, the only way the writers could think of to make communism work is with mind control.

>>54036697
I dunno, do Tau men look good in a dress?

>>54036653
>Differences between species cannot be reconciled peacefully

Except they completely can be as evidenced by the uhh. Tau Empire, if you haven't been paying attention.

You do realize that the Imperium is awful, right?

>>54036655
The Aun Caste is what it is. Their leadership is good, and from the stories I've heard from the converts and my Old Man, we're treated a hell of a lot better here in the Empire than the poor shmucks in the Imperium.

I've seen Gue'vesa of all castes except Aun. And that's ok. It if works why rock the boat?

>>54036703
Everyone looks good in a dress, anon.

>>54036719
Well then, I guess I can teach them my earthly ways of love.

>>54036707
>uncle_tom.jpg

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>>54036734
Godspeed, gue'vesa.

Godspeed.

>>54036456
>Oh, also eugenics apply only towards the Tau themselves and while kind of shitty aren't inherently evil because their cultural view of breeding is completely different from our own

This is a good point that really doesn't get brought up often enough. By human standards the Tau live in a totalitarian police state, but A) The Tau don't expect other cultures in the Empire to live that way and B) The Tau have a mindset that is really alien to us. For the most part they are docile, level-headed herd animals who tend to think of the good of the many superseding the good of the few as a matter of course. Tau like Kais or O'Shovah are extreme exceptions.

I think this is also a fine explanation for why they have such a faint warp presence. On an individual level humans would find the Tau extremely boring at parties.

OP, that's ridiculous. The Orks are obviously the good guys of the setting, as evidenced by the fact they just want to have a good time with everyone else.

>>54036568
Tell that to the city of civilians that the Tau nuked in their literal first showing in their first Codex because said civilians didn't want to leave their homes.

>>54036781
I'm not sure that I completely agree with the idea that Tau are herd animals too different from ourselves, but I'd agree that those weird xenos mindsets are really interesting and part of what makes Xenos factions some of my favorite factions.

It's part of what makes Orks funny, Eldar tragic, Dark Eldar simultaneously frightening and hilarious as well as what makes the Tau so decisive.

More 40k books should delve into these differences and ideas.

That being said, I think you're crazy because Farsight seems like he'd have lots of crazy grandpa stories to tell and Darkstrider probably does Sherlock Holmes levels of heroin to do the shit he does.

>>54036704
Let me rephrase, they can't be resolved in a way that humans would find acceptable without extreme difficulty and expense, considering that the Imperium of Man simply does not have the resources to achieve such a goal.

The Tau get it done by just brainwashing errybody, problem solved. That's one of those xeno problems I mentioned, where our outlooks simply will not mesh. The Imperium either can't or won't do that, depending on who you ask, but the point remains that that's not an option for them. So xenos are bad until the Imperium gets its shit together enough to deal with them in a non-existentially threatening way.

And yeah, the Imperium is shit, but it's human shit. The atrocities it commits are shocking because humans generally treat each other so much better than that. Being a human in any other species' culture is going to suck pretty badly or just be flat out lethal. The Tau are no exception, they're just remarkably less shit than the other choices.

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>>54036621
>They're also cool in that they highlight that the extreme views and methods of the Imperium are not necessary,
Nigga you retarded? The Tau firstly are just as bad as the Imperium, they enslave Xenos and even their own population to be dedicated wholly to war, the Ethereals are worse than the High Lords of Terra. Secondly the Tau don't actually deal with any of the threats the Imperium deals with. They don't have psykers, they don't have to worry about Chaos (and don't know it even exists) because their souls are too small to get noticed, and they don't have to worry much about Genestealers or Orks.

The Tau think they live in Star Trek, the Imperium, Eldar civilization, and Necrons all are pic related every time they bump into them.

>>54033918
>And the way one of them accidentally became a champion of Khorne.

Why do people continue to parrot that bullshit.

KHORNE HAD DID NOT POSSESS KAIS OR EMPOWER HIM IN ANY WAY. it was a Tzeentchian daemon and all it did was just encourage him.

This should be a case study of how people are just retards who just parrot misinformation over and over regardless of the truth. People like you are sheep that should be shaven and set on fire.

>>54033469
My take is you don't decide your life based on what the Chaos Gods want.

>>54030211
Nobles and

>>54036860
>Imperium is shit, but it's human shit
Exceptionalism is a poor argument.

The Tau permit wholly the worship of the Emperor by the Gue'seva. While they do encourage them to follow the Greater Good instead, it isn't like they are stomping on human culture with an iron boot.

Hell, even 'Tau Culture' is more of a misnomer because all of the different Septs are different culturally.

>>54036809
This.

>>54036891
No, they are not as bad as the Imperium. Imperial converts note that they have more freedoms and better lives under the Tau Empire.

And they don't enslave people. Races under them enjoy the same rights as Tau citizens and are granted a degree of autonomy.

Now can you be less of a degenerate Nazi sympathiser?

>>54036833
Neither civilians nor nuking is mentioned in the story you're referencing. The Tau are removing an Imperium "outpost" of unknown occupants. All we know is that after destroying three tanks (explicitly) and maybe a few dozen Guardsmen (implicitly, given the amount of armor support and the way their defeat is described) the Tau commander reports that the world has been captured. At no point are any habitations at all depicted as being destroyed, it's ambiguous whether there are any civilians present at all, and given the size of the Imperium force defending the outpost it's unlikely that the outpost's total population is higher than a few thousand, and that's if they're a primarily civilian outpost with a very low rate of military mobilization even when facing an existential threat.

>>54036312
>>In theory, damage to the Battlesuit unit, whether it be through the lopping off of limbs, the firing of bullets into the chassis, electrocution, burning, or the "beheading" of the primary optic sensor, will not cause pain or discomfort to the pilot inside. However, veteran Battlesuit pilots have been known to develop ho’or-ata-t’chel, which are sympathetic ghost pains and phantom reactions to external damage. This condition is also known as Battlesuit Neurosis, and can cause serious problems in the lives of Battlesuit pilots outside their Battlesuit. Fire Warriors have been known to be so traumatised at losing their Battlesuit's sensor cluster "head" that they have spent months in a psychosomatic coma. Some Battlesuit veterans at the end of their careers may also develop quirks such as trying to fly without their Battlesuit, or not being able to understand why they walk or move properly in normal life when their Battlesuit was damaged.

Mentioned in one novel and never again. Modern fluff shows nothing of the sort. Long lived suit operators such as Farsight and Shadowsun have had their suits blasted to bits. Farsight had Cato and Num wreck hi soul apart. Shadowsun was cleaved almost in half. And there are many more instances. And yet there is no mention of what the Fire Warrior novel presented.

>>ion weaponry

Operator's choice.

>>literal suicide bomb wargear option

Same as above. It's not mandatory. The dude decides to install and use the device.

>>forced eugenics

Only for the Tau who just see it as a way of life.

>>mind control worms

The Nagi are swell dudes once you get to know them.

>>54036937
It's not exceptionalism, it was a comment on the nature of human society versus non-human society. Human society tends to be more favorable to humans because we share its values. That's not to say that there can't be shitty human cultures that might be less preferable to paricular xeno ones, but that's generally a question of resource scarcity or lack of stability in the region rather than the actual society.

And yes, the tau are extremely permissive, there's just that minor issue of them rolling through mandatory, chemically instated obedience. Just because their boot feels soft doesn't mean that humans aren't under it. To their credit they stopped there, though. It's not really necessary for them to engage in more obvious brutality when their objective is completed subtly, so they don't.

>>54036943
>No, they are not as bad as the Imperium. Imperial converts note that they have more freedoms and better lives under the Tau Empire.
No they don't. We know from Black Library books that Imperial citizens can actually live lives more liberal than fucking Americans on some planets. The Imperium isn't anything, it's a feudal empire with totally individualistic planets, and many of them aren't bad places to live on as seen from shit like Eisenhorn or the numerous Space Marine novels.

>And they don't enslave people. Races under them enjoy the same rights as Tau citizens and are granted a degree of autonomy.
And that's why the Vespids wear a headset that made them instantly compliant with all demands the Ethereals made after resisting them.

Could you be any less of a newfag with a pitifully sized 40k library?

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>>54036943
Yes, the Tau empire is full of shining happy people. Send that nazi to the re education center!

It's pretty evident that the ethereals enforce top down social control through pheromones, while providing a veneer of freedom. There's a reason Farsighted defected once all the ethereals around him died.

>>54037084
>Human society tends to be more favorable to humans because we share its values.
That doesn't really apply to the Imperium.

A vast majority of the governments, organizations, and other power structures are are incredibly awful to nearly all humans. On the other hand, the Tau treat their human citizens in a far kinder and humane way.

Just because it is your own species gutting you doesn't mean it is inherently better than another species treating you well.

>mandatory, chemically instated obedience
Gonna need a source for this. Last time I checked, there is a theory that the Aun Caste control Tau through pheromones, influence the Vespid through the Vespid leader's helms, and the Nagi bring others in line. But, I haven't heard of chemical brainwashing being used on Humans.

>>54036900
The Fire Warrior in Fire Warrior was manipulated by a Lord of Change into unleashing that Lord of Change. That does not preclude him from receiving a power up from Khorne, especially since the Fire Warrior immediately kills the Lord of Change after his release.

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How to win 40k, beat the warp, and get laid-
>Become patron to Malal/Malice and ask for a gift of one of his parasitic chaos eating daemonic war gear items as a gift
>Continue about your business as a 'loyal' self-serving agent of the Imperium of man
>Hear about a Chaos Champion attempting to become a Daemon Prince of Chaos
>Track the fucker down, make sure he's weakened and otherwise sorted out by a third party as his ascension plan goes underway
>Chaos gods ready to send that tiny bit of themselves down to substitute the champions soul for Warp energy that is either copyrighted to Undivided or an individual chaos god, it doesn't matter which
>Jump in the way of the Champion receiving the power or kill him at the moment it is granted with you Malalian issued wargear
>Under normal circumstances, all those who become Daemon princes are the extended will of a Chaos god and have no freedom
>Oh wait, Malalian issued Parasitic gear literally grants warp power unto it's owner with no fucking strings attached as long as your killing off any of the other four with it or doing what Malal says if it requests it, because of how indecisive it is as the thing that kept the other four in check before the Horus Heresy
>You LITERALLY FILTER A DAEMONIC ASCENSION AND BECOME AN UNALIGNED DAEMON PRINCE OF N/A
>You're fucking free now, the war, the inevitable doom, all of it, and the best fucking part
>You literally just fucking stole a copyrighted piece of chaos
>Tzeentch Kvecthing for another 40,000,000 years as you fuck off to wreck shit like a Primarchblankgreyknight that you are, and best of all, remove patron allegiance from other Daemons and cuck Slaanesh out of it's Daemonettes, make Nurglings that pratice Necromancy, and Bloodthirsters with quirky downtime interests
>Probably pass yourself off as a saint to the Imperium, and forever live the good life
>Hug Daemon Princes into husks, stealing all their power away from them because power thieving anti-daemon.

>>54036850
I admit that this is a bit of extrapolation on my part, but in fairness we have very little material written from a Tau point of view to go on. The big book from the Tau POV is Fire Warrior, and I think they make it very clear that the average Tau is...well, think like all the stereotypes of the demure salaryman. They have moments of individualism, like an Air Caste pilot lusting after a Water Caste diplomat, then shrugging his shoulders and resigning himself that it would never happen cuz it's against the rules, after all - or Kais and his father being fiery bastards - but mostly they are content with their lot in life.

In the Cain book there's dialogue with a Water Caste diplomat that's brief but pretty similar in tone. In the 6th Tau codex in Darkstrider's entry they mention how he is weird because the act of insubordination is literally unthinkable to most Tau.

The most interesting Tau are of course the O'Shovahs, Kais and Darkstriders, but I think these Tau get the attention precisely because they are exceptional individualists who buck the system in an otherwise almost utopian society. They are like the Captain Kirks of the Federation, or the Special Circumstances agents of the Culture.

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>>54037141
Zam kid you just murdered that guy

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>>54037141
>No they don't. We know from Black Library books that Imperial citizens can actually live lives more liberal than fucking Americans on some planets.

Wrong, you misread like a moron. The text in the codex from 5th ED and up to 8th ED says life in the Imperium is a living hellhole for the vast majority of mankind. I can post screenshot after screenshot to prove this while you moron will spout just lies.

Wait a second while I rip you to pieces

>The Imperium isn't anything, it's a feudal empire with totally individualistic planets,

With tyranny being the general rule because in order to squeeze the resources out of the planets of the Imperium, only one form of government is valid and enforced by the High Lords of the Imperium making the Imperium the most brutal and oppressive regime in human history.

Nazi Fuck, I can even post copypastas from the novels that I actually read.

>And that's why the Vespids wear a headset that made them instantly compliant with all demands the Ethereals made after resisting them.

Nice headcanon. Do you have proof of any of that or just speculation? I know lying is your thing being a Nazi and all but this takes the cake. There is no mention of the Vespids resisting the Tau, only that the Vespids were too alien to understand and acknowledge the Tau in their midst.

As for the Vespids standing in the Tau Empire, it's said that they enjoy more rights and rewards than the rest of the races under the Tau due to the amount of respect and trust the Tau have for them.

So fuck off and Nazi.

>>54028204
>>54033697
>>54033738
>>54033875
>>54033927
>>54034349

SoBs aren't celibate by rule

But if you are a combat nun that spends most of her days praying, cleaning the sept, killing heretics and are constantly surrounded by either other women or monsters trying to kill you, odds are you aren't going to be getting laid that often.

>>54037141
It's true there are a couple of Imperial planets that humans have a decent quality of life. It's also true that this is far from the standard. The VAST MAJORITY of Imperial citizens live in a state worse than the lowliest factory dreg of Stalinist Russia and somehow have an even lower lifespan. There are exceptions, and these exceptions are few and far between. That is a fact.

Also, the Vespid helmets have never been confirmed to be vectors for Ethereal mind control. It's implied they might be, just like it's implied the Emperor is alive or dead or whatever it is that hanging out in the Grey Knight's puzzle box.

>>54037162
THERE WAS NO KHORNE EMPOWERMENT IN THE NOVEL.

And Fucking Lord of Change used the last remaining Chaos Hrine which happened to be a Khornate to beg for help from Khorne. Khorne responded by transforming the Lord of Change into a Bloodthirster. Then the Daemon used his aura of rage to infect and draw Kais out of cover in order to torture. Kais broke free in a moment and blew up the last shrine banishing the daemon.

This is the out of context passage that led people to falseky believe that Khorne was behind Kais. People are dumb and you are the dumbest of them,

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>>54037243
Posting lore to dispel Nazi lies.

>>54037209
Stop samefagging, you Nazi scum.

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>>54009325
>Humanity's response

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>>54037399
The vast majority of mankind is hopeless due to the grind of a brutal and uncaring Imperium that hates them!

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This is a pointless discussion.

WH40k is a British setting inspired by 2000AD. No one is a "good guy". Every side is awful in their own right, and that's where the dark humor of the setting derives from. Having a "good guy" side would ruin the whole concept.

>>54037441
>Imperium that hates them!
Uncaring =/= hate, Anon.

Hate is still emotion, uncaring is just... nothing.

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>>54037368
Hey bud I have no horse in this race okey? Your immature use of the word Nazi is just fucking retarded. Plus you have to admit that the Imperium is cooler than the Tau on Aesthetics alone

>>54037298
People think Kais was blessed by Khorne because he's depicted on the cover standing on top of a mountain of skulls, and in that game he goes on to murder a fuckton of space marines each of whom should have individually killed the shit out of him, let alone in the droves he confronts them in. This theory requires that Kais have the blessing of Khorne long before the final confrontation.

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>>54037466
I agree, but there are shades. There's "1984-esque Tau" and then there's pic related levels of cruelty. Admech is certainly up there in the grimdark stakes.

>>54037466
Farsight and Girlyman are objectively good guys.

>>54037244
Their codex says their daily lives revolve around TOTAL SELF DENIAL.

TSD means to sex because it's the ultimate expression of self indulgence.

>>54037441
>The Chaos Space Marines of the Daemonkin are no more forgiving of their Cultist followers than is Khorne himself. As such, they think nothing of driving thousands of Cultists to their deaths, simply to choke the guns of the foe. Many Chaos Lords will even butcher their Cultist underlings as blood sacrifices to Khorne, slaughtering them mercilessly when better offerings cannot be found. For all this, there is no shortage of Khornate bloodcults hidden throughout the Imperium, for even the most desperate grasp for power is better than the hopeless grind of Imperial servitude.

-Daemonkin codex

Being cannon fodder for Khornate warbands is a much better life than life in the Imperium. Let this sink in.

>>54037483
It depends
I like the clean aesthetic the Tau have
Beside if imperium have better aesthetic why does your new stuff is a copy paste of Tau tech ?

>>54037160
Most of the flaws in the Imperium that the tau lack are due to the fact that the Galaxy is in a constant state of warfare, the Tau live in a relatively (stress on reletively) unmolested corner of it, and how much attention chaos pays to Humanity. There's also the whole impossibly complex theocracy thing, but that's compounding the other problems more than it creates its own.

Even their technological progress is because of how little attention chaos pays to them. There's justifiable concern about developing technology when chaos has actually infected certain branches of it (as seen under the surface of mars). It's impossible to know if that new screwdriver that you just invented is a conduit for demons into the material plane.

I'm not trying to make excuses for the Imperium, I'm simply stating why it turned into the giant shitpile it is today, and why the Tau might just be benefiting from circumstances instead of crafting a livable Society for humans in 40K. Have you considered what would happen to their human members if the Tau discovered that our mere presence would draw extra-dimensional Predators into their territory? Would our extinction not be for their greater good?

I'm not saying that it's better to live on a hive world than it is to live under the Tau, I'm saying that a human would probably be lucky to even get that much under an Imperium sized empire.

>>54037544
>Being cannon fodder for Khornate warbands is a much better life than life in the Imperium. Let this sink in.
Hope is a powerful thing. Even if it is soaked in the blood of countless planets.

>>54037494
No, I am ancient as anything in this board. People thought that Kais was blessed by Khorne because of an out of context copypasted passage from the novel where he screamed "Blood for the Blood God".

>>54037544
>sex
>the ultimate expression of self indulgence.
u fucking wot m8?

Apparently someone has never wanted to please their partner
What about representing the pairing of the human form?
What about stress relief so you can do your job easier?
Physical health maintenance?
Improving your own morale and that of your fellow soldiers?

Sex isn't always a hedonistic self indulgent activity.

>>54037243
>Wrong, you misread like a moron. The text in the codex from 5th ED and up to 8th ED says life in the Imperium is a living hellhole for the vast majority of mankind. I can post screenshot after screenshot to prove this while you moron will spout just lies.
Codex text doesn't matter if it's contradicted by heaps of Black Library novels, nevermind it's especially retarded because the Imperium isn't actually organized legally like an empire. It can't be oppressive because it doesn't actually have direct power over planets as a feudal structure. The High Lords of Terra do not control planets, they extract tithes from them and send agents to come knocking if you don't pay the taxes. Otherwise all rule is conducted by the Planetary Governor (or sometimes council).

Hell the Imperium is actually better than real life government, as I have never read a single novel where an officer of the law decided to exploit his power to rape a woman. In fact the Imperial Guard seems to be one of the most well controlled military forces in history compared to reality with how well they're behaved.

>With tyranny being the general rule because in order to squeeze the resources out of the planets of the Imperium, only one form of government is valid and enforced by the High Lords of the Imperium making the Imperium the most brutal and oppressive regime in human history.
Are you clinically retarded or do you not know how a Feudal Federation works? The High Lords don't squeeze shit, all rule of law is conducted by the local governor, and thus the oppressive-ness of a world is a case-by-case basis on if the current governor is a cunt. The Imperium itself only makes your life shit if you're unfortunate enough to live in a warzone or exposed to Chaos.

>the in-universe perspective presented by codices says that the Vespid were peacefully assimilated after having a mindfucking device stuck on their skull
Gosh Ivan that sure is true. And that's why that why Chaos is omnipotent.

>>54037559
That's fair, in that case I'm just an imperium hipster or some shit

>>54036456
>Nor is using ion weaponry
THE POINT IS IT IRRADIATES -THE USER- UNTIL HE DIES OF SPACE CANCER

I GUESS THE SKITARII AREN'T GRIMDARK RIGHT

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>>54037589
>>54037544
this might be a good point.
Its considered shameful and indulgent in modern day culture due to American Jeesus saying "sex is bad okay?"
40K however? The human form is not shameful, it is in fact a glorious thing to behold. The human soul is not a burden, it is a blessing, and beholden to no inhuman god-creature.

The human form exists, and to be shameful of it or its natural urges is nothing short of HERESY!

>>54014949
Tau players do not represent the 40k community.

>>54037660
>muh Cain is totally more canon than codices despite the SoB in question being fucking retired

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>>54037660
>>54037589
>>54037544
Relevant

>>54037662
Neither imperiumfags

>>54037589
Not the same guy, but why do you think so many aesthete and clerical classes in history are either celibate, or strongly encouraged to be? It's pretty much the only item of self-denial they all have in common.

>>54037674
Not even talking about the HERO OF THE IMPERIUM here. I'm talking about the human being.
The dynamic creature with the equal capacity to destroy and create, kindness and cruelty.

I have seen people feed the homeless and nurse injured animals back to health.
I have also seen people beat the homeless and cripple animals for fun.

Everything that makes us human is something to be used, manipulated, or otherwise utilized by the fundamental thing that sets us aside from the other animals, our will.

Part of what makes us human, and one of the better things is our attraction to one another, that thing that makes us want to share in joyous activity with each other, creating bonds and pleasant memories, even if those memories are someone thrusting on top of us while we scream "spit in my mouth!"

Its part of what makes us human, and it is something to be proud of.

>>54037643
>Codex text doesn't matter if it's contradicted by heaps of Black Library novels,

Nope, it matters, you Nazi fuck. The novels support and I am just about to post passages from the novels instead of saying "THEY TOTALLY EXIST BRAH".

>nevermind it's especially retarded because the Imperium isn't actually organized legally like an empire. It can't be oppressive because it doesn't actually have direct power over planets as a feudal structure. The High Lords of Terra do not control planets, they extract tithes from them and send agents to come knocking if you don't pay the taxes. Otherwise all rule is conducted by the Planetary Governor (or sometimes council).

No one cares what you think. The lore says that the Imperium is an oppressive. The feudal system and the High Lords demands for resources are the prime reasons for this.

>Hell the Imperium is actually better than real life government, as I have never read a single novel where an officer of the law decided to exploit his power to rape a woman. In fact the Imperial Guard seems to be one of the most well controlled military forces in history compared to reality with how well they're behaved.

You are delusional and shows that you never read a lot of novels.

>Are you clinically retarded or do you not know how a Feudal Federation works? The High Lords don't squeeze shit, all rule of law is conducted by the local governor, and thus the oppressive-ness of a world is a case-by-case basis on if the current governor is a cunt. The Imperium itself only makes your life shit if you're unfortunate enough to live in a warzone or exposed to Chaos.

"SHADOWSWORD" novel shows that the High Lords squeezed entire star systems out of resources to brink of population and financial collapse to fuel their redemption Crusades. This led several of them to rebel. Don't worry I post passages soon enough to counter your lies.

>the in-universe perspective

Nope, it wasn't inverse. It was outverse. Dude, you iz lying wanker.

>>54037580
>I'm not trying to make excuses for the Imperium
>is proceeded by two excuses
Come on.

While there are good reasons for both the Imperium being a total shithole for nearly everyone living in it and the Tau having a much higher standard of living across the board it does not change the fact that any sane human would rather live as a Tau citizen rather than as an Imperial.

>Have you considered what would happen to their human members if the Tau discovered that our mere presence would draw extra-dimensional Predators into their territory? Would our extinction not be for their greater good?
Actually, yes. I haven't heard of mass daemon incursions happening within the Tau Empire in Gue'vesa dominated areas. Given the Tau are Chaos-Resistant it might be the effect of so much Tau around them, even in Gue'seva dominated areas. Or it might be a by-product of the Greater Good. I don't really know.

Let's say the Tau truly understand what Chaos is, how it manifests, everything up to Imperial understanding. Would they exterminate the Gue'seva population? Maybe. Wouldn't be an unreasonable response. The Imperium does this all the time in the most vicious and horrifying ways possible. I would wager that the Tau would 'remove' the possible Chaos taint at least humanely.

That's assuming the Tau don't figure out a way to shield the Gue'seva from Chaos incursions. Which I would say they'd be likely to do once they understand the nature of the Warp.

>>54037755
>self-mortification doesn't include fucking

Anon, just admit that it's your fetish. That's what annoys people, that you insist "sororitas totally fugg it's canon you guise". I don't care if you jerk off to it, stop forcing your fetish on people.

>>54037260
>It's true there are a couple of Imperial planets that humans have a decent quality of life. It's also true that this is far from the standard. The VAST MAJORITY of Imperial citizens live in a state worse than the lowliest factory dreg of Stalinist Russia and somehow have an even lower lifespan. There are exceptions, and these exceptions are few and far between. That is a fact.
It isn't a fact. We have zero conclusive information on the subject as the codices/rulebooks are biased as fuck and written from the perspective of their factions. The novels are out-of-universe perspective almost always, and from my reading the only time I have ever encountered truly "grimdark" planets was in books from around the third edition or a bit before, such as with Execution Hour (which IIRC had that pedophile in it). Otherwise, and especially with the current novels, they're steering the ship far off from any semblance of "grimdark" and have been doing so for around a decade.

Anybody who thinks that even the days of the "grimdark" Imperium in the Third Edition was actually as bad as the Third Reich, Khmer Rogue, Imperial Japan, Stalinist Russia, or Communist China has a poor education on history as nothing GW's ever written has come within pissing distance of how shitty those scumbags were. Not surprising however as there is basically zero fiction that comes off as bad as reality, as authors either do not know how bad things really are/have been, or lack the balls to eat the controversy.

>like it's implied the Emperor is alive or dead or whatever it is that hanging out in the Grey Knight's puzzle box.
GW is done with that, as the novels which they keep making are killing all ambiguity in Warhammer. The Dark Angels for example have lost all their ambiguous lore to the Horus Heresy.

>>54037708
>why do you think so many aesthete and clerical classes in history are either celibate, or strongly encouraged to be?
Because fantasy writers have no imagination and think sex is evil due to Jesus camp.

Why do you think there aren't any good aligned sex angels?
Why do they all have to be evil flesh devouring succubi?
Have these people never had nor can they imagine a pleasant sexual encounter?

Its not the act itself that is evil, but some evil people use and abuse this act to manipulate others. THAT would be a good demon, the one that preys on cheap thrills rather than a sex angel that is a loving waifu/husbando partner type.

>I’ve been back here on Dal’yth these last five months… a half tau’cyr, convalescing. They’ve got me working alongside the water caste in the acclimatisation programme, dealing with new commonwealth citizens relocated from across the Damocles Gulf. I watched the gue’la coming in from Mu’gulath Bay. Pale, half-starved, terrified. Watching their fear go is the most remarkable thing. Watching their amazement grow is the second most remarkable thing. I thought Gormen’s Fast was a dump, but compared to the hives of Agrellan, it was okay, and this place is a paradise.

>You give us all a choice, but there really is no choice, not a real one. I know that.

>remember when Hincks got it, gunned down by those swine outside of Hive Chaeron. I went to see his widow a few days ago. Nice place she’s got now. Good support from the sept authorities. Hincks’s kids are growing up to be model citizens. His boy says he wants to go into the gue’vesa auxiliaries like his uncle Jathen. He’s a healthy lad, tall and strong. I can’t help think what kind of life he’d have back on Gormen’s Fast. Probably be half-blind from working in the gossamer plants. Or dead. And yet there he is, cared for and fed and as strong as an ambull calf. Remarkable.

>I’m still waiting for the catch.

-Damocles Anthology

Between the Imperium and life in the Tau Empire, according to the Gue'vesa protag (who was a former Astra Militraium), there is no choice. No choice as in, the Tau Empire is the real choice. Staying in the Imperium where human life is disdainfully discarded is madness.

>>54037784
As a third party in this conversation, you are a disingenuous motherfucker and an outright liar.

Yeah, Communist China had war machines powered by tortured psychics and practiced human sacrifice daily.

>>54027519
you do know that the ethereals pheromones just work on Tau and only for a short time right?
You may also like to know that the ethereals actually believe in the greeter good and truly work on making their society better

>>54037583
I, too, was born before 2007. Your angry delusion is not the theory as it was explained to me, and it doesn't fucking matter anyway, because you very specifically came here to argue with *my* theory. You quoted my post to start, you completely ignored everyone who referenced the "blood for the Blood God" quote, and you came into the argument after I had already presented the specific reasoning behind the theory (>>54034413).

Read the actual posts you're responding to before you sperg out, you dumb fuck. There were literally other people in this thread responding to my posts actually citing the dud evidence that you've got your panties in a twist about, and you ignored them to talk to me instead. It's not like we're hard to tell apart, the people citing the "blood for the Blood God" quote were both making direct responses to one of my posts, we're clearly different people.

>>54037814
>leaving out the Tau who didn't even believe in the Greater Good and fucked up a planet for funsies from the same goddamn anthology
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>>54037589
Exactly. It wouldn't surprise me if certain orders were celibate to promote purity or other silly shit. But it ain't mandated by most. To be fair though, most sisters don't have the time or opportunity to be getting any nookie on the regular.

>>54037784
>It isn't a fact. We have zero conclusive information on the subject as the codices/rulebooks are biased as fuck and written from the perspective of their factions.

Nope, they are not. The Admech codex for example brutally shows the fault of the Admech and calls them out of their stupidity.

The rest of your post is the most henious lies I ever read here. Novels are generally from an inverse perspective of the protags WHILE the codexes are mostly told from the omniscient narrator.

>>54014169

This is 4chan, when is any word ever used with proper context here that isn't for the sake of shitposting, trolling, or meming?

>>54037838
Source?

>>54037020
>The Nagi are swell dudes once you get to know them
They use them on enemy combatants until they die of brain hemorrhage. It happened to a Raven Guard.

>>54037886
THE DAMOCLES ANTHOLOGY

THE SAME BOOK HE QUOTED

LEARN TO FUCKING READ

>>54037838
He is a rogue agent with obvious mental issues, and he even said that the Ethereals would not approve of his methods because they were so cruel and life wasting.

In the oppsite side, the Water Caste within the Gue'vesa story was a saint.

>>54037824
>you do know that the ethereals pheromones just work on Tau and only for a short time right?

Is there a source for this?

>>54037800
Dude, it's not just Christians. Buddhist monks are also celibate, precisely because it is a form of self-denial. Jains were celibate. Many ancient pagan priests and priestesses were celibate.

I get it, you hate Christians and think they hate sex. But not everything religious revolves around Christendom.

Actually, Christian Protestants are like one of the FEW exceptions to clerical celibacy. Is that weird to you?

>>54037891
IIRC, The Raven Guard willed himself to die and took a lot of Nagi worms with him in the process. The mental trauma of of his psycho conditioning is to blame for his death, not the Nagi.

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>>54036809

This.

>>54037861
>The rest of your post is the most henious lies I ever read here. Novels are generally from an inverse perspective of the protags WHILE the codexes are mostly told from the omniscient narrator.
No, the narrator is biased and often propaganda based/in universe. This is best shown with the Space Marine codex claiming that Marneus Calgar held a doorway from Orks for days slaughtering hordes of Orks by himself, and then a book made about that said subject revealed it was total bullshit. Marneus Calgar barely held it, and he had an entire contingent of Marines backing him up. Which isn't surprising as Codices are host to greater bullshit than anything in the novels (such as Maugan Ra and his disciples soloing an entire Tyranid army or Marneus Calgar and medieval peasants with rakes killing 100 Night Lords.

Novels are the safest material to go by to anybody with a functioning brain because they are also told from the perspective of am omniscient third party, but also because they contain knowledge that would make them un-publishable in the Imperium. Most evident with shit like the Dark Angels novel seeing as how it's completely impossible for those things to exist as anybody who made them, read them, or even heard of them would be murdered on the spot.

>Yeah, Communist China had war machines powered by tortured psychics and practiced human sacrifice daily.
That's justified in the end because the sacrifice of those psychics is the only thing stopping humanity, and much of the galaxy, from being gobbled up by eldritch abominations.

1/2

>>54037929
couldn’t find the temporary part but the wiki specially state that their control is only on Tau
"The method by which the Ethereals maintain control over their species is unknown to the Imperium, and possibly even to those they rule. Many assume such manipulation is a form of innate psychic ability; others feel that the faultless loyalty the Ethereals inspire has been contrived by some unseen technology, or is even the result of some pheromone-based reaction."
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Ethereal

>>54037858
>To be fair though, most sisters don't have the time or opportunity to be getting any nookie on the regular.
Truth.
They are surrounded by primarily their sisters, and live highly regimented lives.
Praying, combat practice, etc.

I would imagine that if they ever are bunked anywhere near an IG regiment a few of them sneak off, and even then it could be considered dereliction of duty for what could be a really bad lay.

So most likely even if their chapter doesn't prohibit it SoBs aren't getting any action unless they are planetside on a peaceful area for extended periods of time.

>>54037784
>Sources only count if they agree with me!

The core rulebooks repeatedly depict the Imperium as a shithole. The only two plausible perspectives for those books is in-universe Imperium or out-of-universe omniscient.

>>54037589
All of these are very creative excuses you could tell to the Comissar who is cambering a bolt round asking you to explain why you snuck into the convent

>>54038046
>No, the narrator is biased and often propaganda based/in universe.

You pulled this out of your ass.

Dude, LAURIE GOULDING the once editor of HH and BL said that the whole propaganda and whatever quote is misunderstood it just means that GW has free license to retconned previous material and chalk it up to it being propaganda. This extends to material in all 3 branches of GW, not just codexes.

And you are fucked in any case because both sources agree that the Imperium is SHIIIIIIT.

>>54038079
There is nothing really known about how long it lasts, because we don't know how it works or even if it -really- exists.

Fire Warrior strongly implies it's pheromone based as it has Kais encounter an Ethereal twice, and each time his nose tingles and he feels really serene. Seemed to last for as long as he was around the Ethereal.

There's nothing on whether it works on non-Tau, but almost certainly it does not. Otherwise there would have been some indication of it in Xenology when a tech priest interviews an Aun before dissecting her, and that book is where the whole Eldar-implanted pheromone theory comes from.

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>>54038046
2/2

And on the subject of history, 40k isn't grimdark at all. Not compared to real life. I'll bite when the Imperial Guard starts rounding up tens or hundreds of thousands of people, indiscriminately kills some for amusement, then gets to raping every single thing that can't run away fast enough and mutilating them during sex. Instead the IG, and even fucking Chaos is downright civil in how they "just" kill you. The only thing that is actually grimdark in 40k is the Dark Eldar as they're the only thing that can come close enough to real humans in depravity.

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Here is the chapter from the Shadowsword novel where the Imperial scum try to strong arm a resource and man starved world to handover the last of their men to fuel their endless wars of aggression.

The Imperium SQUEEZED AND SQUEEZED their system and others to the point to the brink. Nearly all that remains on those planets are women and children, and these helpless innocents are expected to do the back breaking work of mining and running factories while the men have gone away forever to die in needless wars far away.

Read it and learn.

>>54038221
>Instead the IG, and even fucking Chaos is downright civil in how they "just" kill you.

Dude, you are very ignorant of 40K if you believe this. So ignorant than nobody should take you seriously.

>>54038205
In FFG material, Commander Firewing while he was fighting the Tyranids in the battlefield, felt as the Ethereals dying on the other side of the planet. He and his men descended into Mont'au mode.

So it cannot be pheromones. It must be something psychic or something similar.

>>54038205
thank for the info anon
but that sort of prove my point that the Ethereals do work on improving life for everyone as they can not control all the races of the Tau empire with their mysterious power

>>54038282
Then show me a novel where Chaos Space Marines grabbed some men and women, and while fucking them was also ripping out their guts and raping their children in front of them. I'm not ignorant of shit, I've probably been in this hobby longer than you and have been reading most of the books coming out for over a decade now. There ain't shit in it that compares with just how disgusting, depraved, and nasty real history and life is. 40K is basically an edgy teenager, and it thinks that killing people is the worst thing you can do. Even with Slaanesh GW pretty much never goes that extra length, with Slaanesh instead focusing on some more excruciating form of murder. But they still shy from the subject of sex whenever it comes up.

>>54038427
Shadowsword, Damnation of Pythos, Nurgle's Gift, Dark Imperium (Plague Bearer chapter), etc etc.

You iz ignorant.