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Glory to Chaos edition.

>FAQ
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>List Builder
It's dead Jim.

>WIP Math-hammer doc
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first for tau point drops
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>>54008495
Clearly FAQs have already begun. I believe they've stated that point-tweaks will be on a yearly basis, though I wouldn't be surprised if they did the first tweak after 6 months or something, as the edition settles.
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>mfw the codex release/generals handbook prevents you from mixing guard/marines/admech etc now that people have bought them for their combined lists.
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BattleScribe is making an absurdly long list.

2000/100 list are resulting in about 20 pages. The hell is wrong?
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>>54008510
It's silly that right now Commanders are almost categorically better than equal points' worth of Crisis Suits in every department. Crisis aren't unplayable or anything right now, but a small price drop would be nice.
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What do you think of Duncan's WB recipe? Trying to find some colors that I'd like to use for my Word Bearers.
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>>54008512
They said the same thing about age of sigmar.

Where's the points tweak?

Where's the generals handbook second edition?
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BLESSED BE YOUR BUILDS ANON
REPLY WITH "ALL HAIL TO THE OM-MEOW-SSIAH" OR SUFFER MOLDLINES AND FINECAST IMPURRFECTIONS
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>>54008540
Just gotta wait to squat some more races.
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THREADLY REMINDER. NARRATIVE MISSIONS IS OBJECTIVELY THE BEST WAY TO PLAY. ONLY MANCHILDREN AND WAACFAGGOTS STILL INSIST ON POINTS.
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So are the primaries marines vat borne clones or are they created the same way as older marines just with better gene seed?
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>>54008540

Was originally supposed to release this summer but they - smartly IMO - didn't want to steal any thunder from 40k's release so they pushed it back.
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>>54008558
>he doesn't play to win
Even toddlers play to win.
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>>54008531
You have all the rules added to the end?
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>>54008512

The first tweak shouldn't take nearly that long.
The "oh shit that was broken and we failed to catch it" needs to be sorted quickly. After that per year will probably be fine.

>>54008531

Hide unit profiles from showing option?
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Man, getting the charge off, then using the pile in move to tie up other units into close combat is fucking cheesy and yet amazing.
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>>54008571
The latter. They can even take oldMarines and implant the good stuff inside to improve them.

This is so GW can scrap oldmarines in 9th but keep the special characters
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>>54008523
How would the IG get techpriests and ministrorum priests then?
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How many posts until we can argue about politics and hordes?
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>>54008583
There's a big difference between "playing to win", and being a massive WAACFAGGOT that takes 6 riptides to the table in a 1k game.
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>>54008480
>Post yfw Harlequins are harder to kill than Plague Marines
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Rate my Custarts
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>>54008600
>he doesn't want to be Gundam wing
Fucking casual, break out the mecha.
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Can Disgustingly Resilient and other FnP rules negate mortal wounds?
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>>54008607

Simply that shit and green-text it so it can be read.
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>>54008600
>and being a massive WAACFAGGOT that takes 6 riptides to the table in a 1k game.
Why would a WAAC fag do that?
That does make your army any more efficient, it should hamstring your army
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I miss the stupid Image list builder. Dominions go in Repressor and BSS go in Immolators. Canoness and Imagifier sit back for buff to the heavy support

Battalion Detachment [101 PL, 1985pts]
HQ
Canoness [4 PL, 53pts]: Power maul, Storm bolter
Celestine [14 PL, 250pts]: Celestine, 2x Geminae Superia

Troops
3x Battle Sister Squad [4 PL, 74pts]
. 2x Battle Sister
. Battle Sister w/ Special or Heavy Weapon: Flamer
. Battle Sister w/ Special Weapon: Flamer
. Sister Superior: Bolt pistol, Combi-flamer

Elites
Imagifier [2 PL, 40pts]

Fast Attack
2x Dominion Squad [5 PL, 137pts]
. Dominion Superior: Bolt pistol, Combi-melta
. 4x Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun

Seraphim Squad [8 PL, 169pts]
. 7x Seraphim
. Seraphim Superior: Plasma pistol, Power sword
. 2x Seraphim w/ Special Weapons: 2x Inferno Pistols

Heavy Support
2x Exorcist [8 PL, 160pts]

Retributor Squad [10 PL, 134pts]
. 5x Retributor
. Retributor Superior: Bolt pistol, Storm bolter
. 4x Retributor w/ Heavy Weapon: Heavy bolter

Dedicated Transport

3x Immolator [5 PL, 103pts]: Immolation Flamer

2x Sororitas Repressor [5 PL, 107pts]: Heavy flamer, Heavy flamer, Storm bolter
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>>54008602
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>>54008616
Yes, not being a save.
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>>54008586
The question is how long do they need to collect information from the community in order to do the "oh shit" tweak in an informed manner? I feel like some of the current complaints may or may not work themselves out once people have had time to adjust to the system.
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>>54008583
Of course toddlers play to win, children are a bunch of impulsive, self-centered little shits. WAACfags are just those toddlers who didn't learn how to grow up.
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>>54008596
Same way as before.

Separate unit entries in their respective books.
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>>54008558
If you premake a list there is no reason to ever be over points, if a five year old can draw within the lines you guys can do that. I can forgive it if the list is made on the spot for whatever reason tho.
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>>54008586
>>54008585
Nop, fucking retard things sometimes does it like:
2x Bolter dude
While others it goes:
Melta dude
Melta dude
Melta dude
Melta dude
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>>54008647
You need to consider also how long people have had their indexes. I literally just got mine a week ago and would be seriously unimpressed if they invalidated the entire release line 3 weeks after launch.
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>>54008647

Within 1-2 months maybe.
FAQs and errata to curb anything that is really an outlier. After that, slow down immensely.
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Couple of noob questions, about how long does a thing of paint last? Like, for the main color I'll be paining my marine's armor, how many marines will a can of paint give me? Also, am I and idiot for buying manlet marines as my first army? I think primaris marines are pretty lame compared to bloodclaws.
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>>54008622
Because they want to cheese, they're not actually good at the game.
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Here's my Ynnari list - took first place at a small tournament this weekend.

>Farseer
>Yvraine

>11x Guardians - Shruiken Cannon
>5x Harlequins
>5x Kabalite Warriors - Blaster
>5x Kabalite Warriors - Blaster
>5x Wraithguard - D-Scythes

>Wave Serpent - TL Shruiken Cannon, Shruiken Cannon, Vectored Engine
>Wave Serpent - TL Bright Lance, Shruiken Cannon, Crystal Targeting Matrix, Spirit Stones
>Starweaver - 2x Shruiken Cannon
>Venom - 2x Splinter Cannon
>Venom - 2x Splinter Cannon

>7x Shining Spears

>Hemlock Wraithfighter
>Ravager - 3x Dark Lances

Played against Necrons, IG, and AdMech - went 3-0, was pretty pleased with the list.
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>LIVE to fortify the fuck out of shit in games
>also love being a sneaky cunt
For my first ever army, picking between RG and IF is too difficult
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>>54008681
Well I got my Vyridian that I bought in December two weeks ago.
No rules for her, but every Big fat cows has her rules so win?

I have 3 of them (3 Valks too) now because I honestly thought they lost it three times. Even when buying from Chinaman it takes 3 month 5 if it is retardedly slow.
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Anybody have the Dark Imperium pdf? Either it's not in the mega, or i'm retarded and need an adult.
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>>54008717
How'd the shining spears do
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>>54008568
>>Much harder to kill with heavy weapons
So use small arms? Invuls don't matter if you took 10+ wounds. Are you seriously complaining about T3 4++?

Being fast is sorta their thing. Are you saying T3 20-ish ppm assault infantry should be SLOW?
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>>54008617
Can't, blocked as spam
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>>54008732

Very well - they get a lot of synergy with SfD. I think the thing that surprised most people about them is their shooting output - 7 of them get 24 Catapult shots and 7 lance shots before charging. I was generally able to sling shot charge them quickly - move 16, kill a unit, SfD another 16 to position the charge against the unit I wanted.
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>>54008480
Fucking halo fags leave my setting REEEEEEEE!
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>>54008723
Just do IF with some bonus sneaky dudes, like Sniper Scouts or the Reivers. Every chapter makes use of every thing.

Warning you that neither are easy to paint. And that Crimson Fists are better than either
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How does this look for a commander spam list?

++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (T'au Empire) [34 PL, 562pts] ++

+ HQ [16 PL, 299pts] +

Cadre Fireblade [2 PL, 42pts]: Markerlight [3pts]

Commander [7 PL, 130pts]: Advanced targeting system [8pts], 3x Burst cannon [30pts], 2x MV4 Shield Drone [16pts]

Commander [7 PL, 127pts]: 3x Flamer [27pts], 2x MV4 Shield Drone [16pts], Shield generator [8pts]

+ Troops [12 PL, 160pts] +

Strike Team [3 PL, 40pts]: 5x Fire Warrior w/ Pulse Rifle [40pts]

Strike Team [3 PL, 40pts]: 5x Fire Warrior w/ Pulse Rifle [40pts]

Strike Team [3 PL, 40pts]: 5x Fire Warrior w/ Pulse Rifle [40pts]

Strike Team [3 PL, 40pts]: 5x Fire Warrior w/ Pulse Rifle [40pts]

+ Elites [6 PL, 103pts] +

XV25 Stealth Battlesuits [6 PL, 103pts]
. 2x Stealth Shas'ui (no upgrade) [60pts]: 2x Burst cannon [20pts]
. Stealth Shas'vre [43pts]: Fusion blaster [21pts], Velocity tracker [2pts]

++ Outrider Detachment +1CP (T'au Empire) [26 PL, 435pts] ++

+ HQ [14 PL, 287pts] +

Commander [7 PL, 154pts]: 3x Cyclic ion blaster [54pts], 2x MV4 Shield Drone [16pts], Shield generator [8pts]

Commander [7 PL, 133pts]: 2x MV4 Shield Drone [16pts], 3x Plasma rifle [33pts], Shield generator [8pts]

+ Fast Attack [12 PL, 148pts] +

Pathfinder Team [6 PL, 68pts]
. 4x Pathfinder [32pts]: 4x Markerlight [12pts]
. 3x Pathfinder w/ Ion Rifle [36pts]: 3x Ion rifle [21pts]

Pathfinder Team [3 PL, 40pts]
. 5x Pathfinder [40pts]: 5x Markerlight [15pts]

Pathfinder Team [3 PL, 40pts]
. 5x Pathfinder [40pts]: 5x Markerlight [15pts]

++ Total: [60 PL, 997pts] ++
Also when is it a good points level to add a riptide?
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>>54008789
holy shit the one on the right looks like sarge
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>>54008537
Looks a little dark for my tastes there, but probably pretty good once everything else has been done up.
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>>54008789
>my face when microsoft sues GW for infringing on the halo IP.
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Is it just me, or is the Primus Redoubt a really good Titanic killer for it's points? The damn thing is 300 points with it's Dual Turbo-laser Destructor and it has a ~41% chance to kill a GW index Imperial Knight in one round of shooting with an additional ~38% chance to kill it in a second round if the first round fails.

The redoubt is damn near useless against any unit larger than a few models unless you stack more guns on it, but it puts out an insane level of damage with it's 2D6 damage, which is doubled against Titanics.
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>>54008537
>that old as hell sculpt
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>>54008480
>glory
>going to get CRUSADED.com in kronor
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>>54008531
Use the options on the print preview to change what gets printed. Jesus.
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>>54008681
That's what's stopping me from bothering to buy them right now. I'm just painting my old shit and starting to get back into the hobby. I'd rather wait until the dust settles a bit.

Also, the amount of errors, typos, retarded mistakes, etc. In the FW index books is absolutely ridiculous. Idk who would actually pay for those books.
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>>54008717
How do you deal with lots of bodies? Or Rhino rush?
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>>54008839
I'm getting trigger by >>54008675 it is fucking annoying.
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>>54008795
How the fuck is black hard to paint?
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>>54008558
>being this desperate to excuse your inability to add
When will the "power level is fine" meme die?
How many more times do the many problems it presents need to be spelled out for you retards?
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>>54008847

Lots of bodies is fairly easy, I'm producing (without my guardians out) - 40+ shruiken/splinter shots a turn. That doesn't include the Shining Spears catapults, the guardians, rapid fire range on the venoms, etc. I played against 100 conscripts and moved through him with relative ease. Doom is a real bitch when you apply it to 50 models and it affects your entire army.

Rhino Rush isn't that scary either. I've got 5 Lances on the table, plus the hemlock, 2 blaster shots, and shruiken cannons work well enough when you have enough shots.
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>>54008664
>only children try to be good at what they do
Maybe a game where everyone gets a participation prize and there are no winners or losers would be more your speed.
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>>54008873
It won't die because it's simply better than everything else. Faggots only hate it because it's intended for people who want to play the game for fun.
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How viable/useful are Chaos bikers this edition?
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>>54008804
Why the fuck do you have flamers on a Commander.
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>>54008912
>implying that I play in tournaments and that being good at playing with plastic toys is worth anything to a majority of people
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>>54008917
are abhuman sisters possible in the fluff?
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>>54008912
Tryhards are the worst people to play games with.
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>>54008931
Hordes.
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>>54008943
>abhuman sisters
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>>54008917
The only advantage it has is that it takes slightly less time to build a list. The balance and list building issues it presents do not outweigh that minor advantage, unless you are literally a child and/or a retarded person.
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>>54008964
What are commanders better at than crisis suits?

And what don't flamers need to do?
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>>54008943
Fluff wise no.
Adepta Sororita come exclusively from the Schola. Yes that applies to all the Orders and variations.

Now an abhuman getting a SoB armour because reasons is another story.
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>>54008717
How many points?
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How come SM can only take 10 in a squad when CSM can take 20?
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>>54008600
What the fuck is even going on in that pic
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>>54008943
I dont think so, abhuman populations are not as numerous as human populations so sending your source of soldiers to die is a really dumb idea.

Besides that abhumans are second class citizens and that wont join into the elite ranks of the church that is the Sisters of Battle.
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++ Brigade Detachment +9CP (Orks) [118 PL, 1995pts] ++

+ HQ [21 PL, 363pts] +

Big Mek [5 PL, 84pts]: Big Choppa [9pts], Kustom Force Field [20pts]

Boss Snikrot [4 PL, 69pts]

Warboss [4 PL, 84pts]: Attack Squig, Kustom Shoota [4pts], Power Klaw [25pts]

Warboss [4 PL, 64pts]: Attack Squig, Big Choppa [9pts], Shoota

Weirdboy [4 PL, 62pts]: 2. Warpath

+ Troops [60 PL, 1000pts] +

Boyz [13 PL, 205pts]
. Boss Nob [31pts]: Power Klaw [25pts], Slugga
. 29x Ork Boy W/ Slugga & Choppa [174pts]

Boyz [13 PL, 205pts]
. Boss Nob [31pts]: Power Klaw [25pts], Slugga
. 29x Ork Boy W/ Slugga & Choppa [174pts]

Boyz [13 PL, 205pts]
. Boss Nob [31pts]: Power Klaw [25pts], Slugga
. 29x Ork Boy W/ Slugga & Choppa [174pts]

Boyz [13 PL, 205pts]
. Boss Nob [31pts]: Power Klaw [25pts], Slugga
. 29x Ork Boy W/ Slugga & Choppa [174pts]

Gretchin [4 PL, 90pts]: 30x Gretchin [90pts]

Gretchin [4 PL, 90pts]: 30x Gretchin [90pts]

+ Elites [14 PL, 234pts] +

Kommandos [6 PL, 90pts]
. 8x Kommando [72pts]
. Kommando W/ 'Eavy Weapon [9pts]: Burna
. Kommando W/ 'Eavy Weapon [9pts]: Burna

Nob w/ Waaagh! Banner [4 PL, 79pts]: Kustom Shoota [4pts]

Painboy [4 PL, 65pts]: Power Klaw [25pts]

+ Fast Attack [17 PL, 317pts] +

Skorcha Buggy [4 PL, 66pts]
. Skorcha [66pts]: Skorcha [17pts]

Skorcha Buggy [4 PL, 66pts]
. Skorcha [66pts]: Skorcha [17pts]

Stormboyz [9 PL, 185pts]
. Boss Nob [33pts]: Power Klaw [25pts]
. 19x Stormboy [152pts]

+ Heavy Support [6 PL, 81pts] +

Big Gunz [2 PL, 27pts]
. Gun [1 PL, 27pts]: 2x Grot Gunner [4pts], Kannon [15pts]

Big Gunz [2 PL, 27pts]
. Gun [1 PL, 27pts]: 2x Grot Gunner [4pts], Kannon [15pts]

Big Gunz [2 PL, 27pts]
. Gun [1 PL, 27pts]: 2x Grot Gunner [4pts], Kannon [15pts]

++ Total: [118 PL, 1995pts] ++
DIZ HERE IS A WAAAGH! ALL GOOD AND PROPPA, THE WAY IT SHOULD BE WITH ME AS WARBOSS.
WE DON'T NEED NO DAMN TINKER'TRAPTION TO BE STRONG, WE IZ STRONG!
LISTEN TO EM SHOUTING WITH ONE VOICE ACROSS DA WHOLE PLANET!
WAAAGH!
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>>54008955
No, crybaby casuals are the worst people to play with.
>WAAAAH HOW DARE YOU ACTUALLY TRY AT THIS GAME WAAAAH
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>>54008990

2k
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>>54008906
How about Land Raiders?
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>>54008974
I don't know, I just started the army, don't have a codex, and bought the old crisis suit box from flgs because it was on sale.
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>>54008873
It's fine for what it is if someone wants to just throw down models and get a rough estimate, or for children, or for brand new beginners. But anyone who pretends that power level is balanced, or that it's just as balanced as points, is delusional.
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>>54008992
Because loyalist hog all the nice toys so they can get fucked.
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>>54008917
PL feels like putting the most expensive equipment possible.
When comparing points and levels I always end short in points, while PL are 1 to 6 levels over.
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>>54009009

Same as rhinos?

I mean 5 S8/-4/D6 damage shots hurts any monster. Add in 2D3 S10/-4/2 damage shots that auto hit and you do OK.
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>>54008943
Kinda? They're a sanctioned variant of humans, I guess so. Honestly Felinids are just an excuse so that people in Dark Heresy can play as catgirls whenever they feel like it.

Or my personal favourite concept:
> Crew of a rogue trader vessel hears about a Felinid joining the crew
> Automatically assumes it'll be a kawaii as fuck catgirl that they can fuck
> Hardened Veteran GuardsMAN with half-torn off ears, a tiny stump of a cat tail, and covered in scars shows up.

>>54008994
It was a 10,000 point game from over a year ago. Pic was of Leman Russ and his 25-man squad from a Spartan Assault Tank get out and charge my entire right hand flank. Which they proceeded to anally rape with a 10 foot pole-no lube. Which is understandable with a deathstar that consisted of the PRIMARCH LEMAN RUSS, with 10 custodians, a wolf-lord, salamander's Master Apothecary, Kaldor Draigo, and 6 librarians.
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>>54008992
Chaos marines are mass produced.
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>>54008523
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>>54009050
Is this vomit of squars and color supposed to have any meaning to it?
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>>54008531
You're too stupid to make a list the real way?
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>>54009003
The fact that you don't see the irony in you trying to connect "trying to be good at" and "playing a game" is pretty sad actually.
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So I haven't seen any good death gaurd and/or dark imperium battle reports. How do they play? are they any good?

I play AoS and I think I'm ready to jump into 40k. I've always loved the way nurgle looks and I already play tzeentch.
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>>54009060
It means you can bring them all since they have the "Imperium" keyword.
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How come boltguns are so fucking useless when SM's are GW's cash cow?
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>>54009006
Oh! I thought that was like 1500, I won a local with Orks over the weekend, it was a small 1250 one.
>Brigade Detachment
>HQ: Big Mek with KFF
>HQ: Weird boy

>Troop: 29 Boyz + Nob with PK
>Troop: 29 Boyz + Nob with PK
>Troop: 29 Boyz + Nob with PK

>HS: Gorkauant
>HS: 5 lootas

>Elite: WAAAGH Banner Nob
I'm pretty happy with Shining Spears new incantation, did the lone Harliquens do anything?
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>>54008943
No.
The ecclesiarchy tends towards a very strict approach towards the human form. Abhumans are tolerated as auxiliaries in the Guard because the Munitorum sees fit to use them but the church still hates their guts.
Some of the more stringent Sororitas Orders even see space marines as mutants and therefore an affront.
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>>54008873
>raging about the obviously superior method for tournament play
You must be a complete retard
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>>54009077
There's that reading comprehension problem.

Show me the guard codex for 8th edition that says you can still mix them with every other imperial force.
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>>54009068
>it's just a game bro
Games are fun when it's a competition you twat.
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>>54008979
>SoB
Shitsters of Basshole? You mean the Adeptus Shitsenioritas?
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>>54009062
We can all use a pen and paper or make an ugly spreadsheet.

Even if you hate the image list builder and was riddled with errors it was an easy and rather standardized way to share list.

Now we have to do this awkward images of a spreadsheet or write down our list in somewhat riddle way. (Usually everyone fails doing the last)
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>>54009084

The Harlequins - in my list - dig my wraithguard out. The general gist is the wraiths pop out, Yvraine soul burst's them for 2 rounds of shooting, hang out, OW something, retreat out and shoot something new while the Harlequins handle whatever they were dealing with.
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Everyone supporting power levels is baiting.

Everyone arguing with the retards baiting by supporting power levels is also retarded and taking the bait.

Stop taking the bait retards. No one thinks power levels are superior to points, anyone who claims otherwise is fishing for (you)'s.
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>>54009094
Are you fucking retarded?
In the core rulebook, it says a battleforged army must share ONE KEYWORD.
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>>54009068
Fuck off, retard. Go sign up for the special olympics if you want to play a game where everyone wins and no one is allowed to be better at it than anyone else.
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>>54009090
>maxing out on wargear is the best for tournaments
You're a special breed of stupid.
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>>54008704
anybody?
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>>54009094

Not sure if trolling? The main rulebook says this is OK.
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>>54009116
>maybe if I start fucking screeching my opinion will come true!
lol we got a tantrum over here guys
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Can Slaaneshi demons backed up by termies and hellbrutes be competitive?
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>>54009090
>power level being better for tournament play
You overextended the bait. Try to say something less obviously stupid next time.
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>>54009116
The entirety of my 22-man gaming group seems to disagree with you. We now exclusively use only Power Points, and the fun as fuck Narrative missions.
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>>54009134
>>54009119
Codex trumps the rulebook.
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>>54009116
>GuaranteedReplies.jpg
powerlevel memers cannot resist this bait post, and will all reply to it.
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>>54009095
Ah, so you're one of those people who is too stupid to understand the concept of subjectivity.
Well, I for one think that games are most fun when I don't have to take it so seriously because if I wanted to put an autistic amount of effort into something I would do something productive.
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>>54009168
Show me where it says that in 8th edition.
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>>54009158
Not just better, objectively better in every way. If you think points are even going to exist for the rest of this edition let alone the next edition you are flat out wrong.
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>>54009095
Sure, except when competition is moved to the sole focus of the game.
Especially when that game is a miniatures hobby with decades of world building and lore surrounding it.
Just about everyone enjoys winning but many don't at the expense of a good story or one sided games.

Inb4
>playing for fluff
>lore
>40k >good story
And other associated memery
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>>54009095
>Has never heard of co-op games
Just off yourself already
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Are there any good recasters/3d printers to buy bootleg models from?
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>>54009168

But in the 8th index it doesn't have any language at all about having to take only AM stuff. I'm not sure I understand your argument at all.
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>>54009105
>this kid so angry he's gotten tabled by a bunch of girls
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>>54009174
Codexes aren't out yet idiot, could be that Guard have access to eldar dire avenger hordes led by a 30k loyalist marine and a their tanks are driven by grots.
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>>54009181
Alright, you get one last (You) from me. Now take your retarded meme and go think about what you've done.
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Doing alpha Legion loyalists counts as ultras.

Should I just do omegons omega symbol to make it super troll?
Or should I rock the alpha and omega symbol?
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>>54009204
Wow, you're actually retarded or just trolling. Here's your (you).
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>>54009197
>angry about the forced as fuck fetish army
Not angry, disappointed
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>>54009173
>I'm too scared of competition
Idiot.
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>>54009204
And your poor reading comprehension strikes again.

Here let me link you to the original post you are now supporting: >>54008523

Feel free to follow the reply chain down to your post and cringe at what you've typed.
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1 When is Lion coming back?

2 Can Marines who have old style gene seed take the Chadstartes upgrade?

3 What do Black Templars think of Primaris Marines and Guilliman's return?
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>>54009122
Just because I'm not autistically competitive doesn't mean I'm a Communist. Maybe if you focused on actually reading what I wrote carefully instead of jumping to conclusions you would have understood that I play games to relax because I focus my efforts on my actual real life responsibilities and work.
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>>54009160
22... how? why?
I live in a third world country and in my city alone there are over 1000 active players.
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>>54009094
Core rulebook says you can. The Imperium Index 2 doesn't say you count. Also, why would Ministorum priests give bonuses to AM troops if you can't legally take them together?
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>>54009236

Oh you're making the argument that the codex will include language that prevents making soup armies. You're just an idiot then - not a troll, just dumb. Good day.
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>>54009105
Oh the virgin is back. Hello, someday someone will touch your peepee I swear.
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>>54009225
>forced as fuck fetish army
I'm confused.
I thought it was a failed attempt by GW to bring in female players.
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>>54009225
Space Marines? I know some people are tired of marines but really?

Are you a closet homosexul or something?
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>>54009247
1) Soonâ„¢

2) Yes. This is so in 9th they can scrap oldmarines but keep the special characters.

3) Probably hate it.
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>>54009160

So your tiny gaming group matters? My store in small town America has a bigger active gaming scene than that.
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>>54009226
>I completely misinterpret what people say
Idiot
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>>54009160
>22
And I thought my 7 man group was decently sized.
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>>54009194
>he thinks a game where you compete directly with your opponent is co-op


maximum lel. Now please take your time, and try as hard as you can to move the goalpost and twist things around to try and support your retarded point. Maybe say something stupid like your opponent is also your partner in playtime so technically it's still co-op even though this is literally the definition of competitive.

You've just checkmated yourself.
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>>54009250
I live in Jacksonville Florida, where only two stores exist: FLGS, and Games Workshop. The entirety of the jacksonville gaming crowd is fairly small, and outside of those 22 core players, the entire remainder of them ONLY SHOWS UP FOR TOURNAMENTS.
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>>54009193
Maybe because 40k lore is fucking garbage and most people that play do so to kick each other's teeth in?
Not to be entirely calloused, I get where this is coming from since I play lotr and I find it heretical for myself to not make fluffy lists. But that game is filled with people that already like the fluff to begin with so it's easier.

>>54009194
Still a competition.
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>>54009258
I'd think Orks, Bretonia, Wood Elves, Tau or Nids where their girl friendly armies.

Marines are the 12 year old boys, not girls.
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>>54009253
>this is babies first edition
>he wasn't playing when allies were taken away from us before

Oh you sweet summer child.
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>>54009289
Oh sorry I thought he was shitposting about Sisters.
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>>54009247
1) We don't know, though reasonably sometime in late 2917/early 2018
2) Yup, it's basically a few new organs which most likely promote and manage the growth.
3) Again, don't know, the only Primaris fiction followed Gulliman's legion.
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>new marines called "chadmarines"
why? is chad is a stereotypical dudebro name or something?
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>>54008789
Honestly, Halo has a way doper aesthetic than warhams. Primaris marines and the sleeker, sexier look of their stuff is a godsend.
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So do Mars-Alpha Exterminator Cannons suffer d6 or 6 mortal wounds if they roll a 1 in Super Charge mode?
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>>54009003
>I lost!? ABLOOBLOOBLOOBLOO
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>>54009160
>avatarfag weighs in with his opinion
Yeah, I don't believe you.
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>>54009289
You forgot eldar.

More women play eldar than any other faction.
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>>54008540
It's already done and printed. The cover was leaked... it's just 8th edition smothers everything else
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>>54009274
There is nothing to misrepresent, if playing is not worth your time get the hell out and let the door slam on your ass.
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>>54009312
I meant Executioner Cannons.
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>>54009295

I likely own Eldar models older than you. I'm just capable of logical extrapolation based on AoS where soup is 100% still possible in every book they've release.
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>>54009289
>Orks, Tau or Nids
>girl friendly armies

I'm not seeing it. But I know nids somehow are the girl army
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>>54009258
>>54009259
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>>54009018
Aight, anon, you have a good selection of models, but you need to get in the rules and optimize your suits. Commanders hit on 2+ so its a fuckin' waste to put flamers on him. Also every single gun in the Tau army is probably S5 or better, so go ahead and dont ever run assault cannons on him either. Give the Commander some good guns. like 4x Fusion, or 4x Plasma, or Misslepods and an ATS and something else.
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>>54009284
My closet GW is on another country in Miami Florida to be more precise. We haven't had a proper FLGS to play 40k in a decade. We just rent places to play tournaments.

How do you have such small community? We don't even have a place to play for fuck sake. Are you too fat to move or something?
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>Looking through the Sisters line
>See this
>sides
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>>54009324
>The cover was leaked
>[citation needed]
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>>54009295
At present, there are effects on units which specifically reference buffing units from other parts of Imperium, such as the Ministorum Priest. There are also factions like the Assassinorum and Astra Telepathica which were very obviously not intended to be stand-alones. At least for now, allying is very much a thing, and it seems like 8e was built with such in mind.
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>>54009324
Plus, we know first FAQ/Errata comes in December, and I had a Vassal game with guys from 3++ that are working with GW to test conscript spam.
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>>54009346
At least that one is passable, unlike this jerry sandusky in a wig lookin' motherfucker
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>>54009309
Yes, with a helping of high school jock, picking on the poor regular-sized marines.
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>>54009287
>most people play it to kick other people's teeth in
Never understood this. Why would you play a game that relies on RNG to play competitively? Sure you can track averages but that still does not equate to how things pan out on the table. I have yet to see someone who plays for fun/narrative players throw dice or even models when things don't play to their mathhammering. The competitive scene however has this in abundance I've noticed.
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>>54009307
He said fuck fetish.
The only army beside DE and Slaanesh that has sex undertone are marines, specially with DA.
I mean who would want to fuck nun with a fucking flamer?

>>54009322
My bad Eldars too.
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>>54009326
Sorry, misinterpreting is quite right. I meant to say
>I'm projecting so hard you can see it from space because my shallow mind can't see anything as anything other than a competition because I'm an insecure fuck who constantly compares himself to everyone else.
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>>54009363
> I had a Vassal game with guys from 3++
>that are working with GW

Sure you did sweetheart.
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>>54009363
>vassal game
>working with GW
>3++
>working with GW
>conshits
>working with GW
>bloggers
>working with GW

kek
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>>54009346
>meganeko
Kawaii~
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>>54009333
Orks are adorable, goofy models with spankable bums, and cute lore regarding friendship and believing in things hard.

Tau, mecha anime wank

Nids, well ovipositor dildos are a thing
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>>54008474
>TASTES
>SO
>GOOD

Share your moldlines /tg/
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>>54009346
Isn't that that bitch from The Incredibles?
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>>54009375
Because it's fun to beat the shit out of each other in miniature form.
Talking smack, seeing people get sad at horrible rolls, shit's just fun.
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>>54009414
>And then forgets the pic
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>>54009155
Summoning works best for them.
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>>54009413
That the sick shit that lays eggs in you? Im afraid if I Google it I'll be put on a list
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>>54009382
>being this scared of competition
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>>54009415
the model existed first
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>>54009423
Beside you can weed out the cucks. If they get pissy about bad rolls, then you can ignore them for ever.
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>>54009442
I think you have "scared" confused with "indifferent"
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>>54009287
>Still a competition.
Playing solitaire is a competition then? Goddamn you WAAC tourney faggots never learn do you.
You have no power here
No one likes you, save GW but only when you buy models. After that, you are nothing.
Go back to whatever containment forum the rest of the tourney shits are restricted to so you can wank each other off about how "broken" and "meta" your lists are.
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>>54009413
>Orks are adorable, goofy models with spankable bums, and cute lore regarding friendship and believing in things hard

Sides are gone
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>>54009457
Solitaire is a competition because you're trying to beat your best time.
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Anon I am making an A E S T H E T I C Harlequin army. I just got a lot of em for 50 bucks.

I have:
4 Troupe Boxes
6 Skyweavers
1 Void/Star Weaver
2 DJesters
1 Solitaire
1 Shadowseer

Other Eldar in the box:

1 Wraithknight with options
1 Plastic Eldrad
5-6 Firedragons
1 Full Squad of Dire Avengers.

What does a good Harlies List look like? I want to play it in a 2000pt Tourney next month, I'm cool with bringing other Eldar like the Wraithknight. I'm assuming the Caress is the best Melee Weapon to give them?
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>>54009468
>Solitaire
>time
kek
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>>54009448
>one plague marine holds off 60 boyz for 4 turns
Things like that are fucking golden.
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>>54009441
Would post images, but got banned for posting humanoid ripper swarm the other day.
That is porn some how, even though it was a drawing and didn't even show tits or genitals.

Vietnamese mod have a strange concept of porn.
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>>54009287
Been playing since third with dozens (maybe even hundreds) of people over the years as there is a military base nearby so we have a constant stream of new hobbyists coming in. Almost everyone gets into the game because the models are cool and they think the setting is neat. I have only encountered three people that have come and asked "what's the best army?" and they were MtG transfers.
Anecdotal I know but I'm just not seeing the majority of players being overly competitive in a hobby game like this. And of those that do stand out in attitude and painting/modelling skills (or lack thereof)
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>>54009435
That could work really well if you got a Drybrush of Longbeard Grey. It's a fairly light grey, but it would very easily bring that model out like a motherfucker.
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>>54009457
This to a degree is true - /tg/ is fuck awful at 40k and uses 'muh narrative' to explain why.
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>>54009385
>>54009387
Believe what you want, but I at least know I contributed
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>>54009458
Extra funny due to being an accurate description.
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>>54009310
I fucking love the extended Halo universe. There's so much love and creativity poured into the original series and there are even some new things that are pretty neat. The series gets a bad rep for popularizing console FPS, but it really doesn't deserve it.
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>>54009484

Yeah I mean look how many 100+ player narrative events there are vs. tournaments. Oh wait...
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>>54009500
What a hilarious thing to fantasize about
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>>54009479
>table my opponent by turn 3 with SoB
>refuse to play against me
>shitpost every time SoB are mention
>assblasted till this day
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>>54009423
Sure if you grew up playing Xbox Live.
I only ever talk talk smack with friends and we are all aware it's just fun. Doing it with strangers just makes you seem like you have Asperger's or trying to make up for daddy beating on you.
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>>54009435
>that little trickle of pee on the base.

I'm dying.
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>>54009500
Then tell me when new deathguard shit comes out please I want to buy it
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>>54009528
>Germeal Warhammer 40,000
Is Germeal what you call a man who dressed like that in your country?
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>>54009528
>Genneal

The fuck does that overly stylized word even say above warhammer?
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>>54009504
The extended universe is shit though...

>Humans are actually an ancient super advanced race even more advanced and ancient than the ancient advanced race you spend 3 games learning about

If i was still 11 I'd probably still think that's retarded
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>>54009547
>assblasting continues!
The ride never ends!

Did you miss getting penetrated in the rear by my Melta Dominions?
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>>54009349
Check the AoS general, on this very site, you stupid faggot. Leaked Cover is in French... which means it's made in English.
You pathetic limp dick cuck
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>>54009295

Why would GW bin allies in a system that has shown them to make a lot of money? You know, those people with guard armies who will then fork over cash to add all sorts of imperial forces and never be satisfied with his collection, thus enabled by GW to keep growing his army with lots of flashy new things to keep him forking out.

GW has learned what happens to games where people are satisfied with their forces and rarely buy more (Warhammer Fantasy).
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>>54009567
That post-dates Bungie giving up control of the IP to 343 because they wanted to do something else, which is generally the point where things start going to shit.
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>>54009569
>Shitsters of Basshole player having himself a little fantasy about having actually played an opponent
>Writes his little men in wigs as the winner, of course
Ma-Rey Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuueeeeeeeeeeeee
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>>54009363
>3++
> being at all relevant at anything
Top kek
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Can anyone explain this "basshole" maymay to me?

It's pretty clearly a forced maymay only used by 2 or 3 people max.

So what does it mean? Obviously it's meant to be derogatory against SoB but how? How do you get from Sisters to Bass? Is it like:

>Sisters of Battle
>Women
>Unclean pussies smell like fish
>Bass are fish
>Therefore Sisters holes = Bass Holes

???
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>>54009572
Fantasy died because they bloated the game cost and 8th was garbage.
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>>54009574
Oh, you're talking about still Bungie controlled?

Then yes, it's tight as fuck S-IV program of a bunch of roided teenagers sent on suicide missions
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>>54009571
stfu libshit cuck i bet you watch reddit and memey
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>>54009514
Most players play with friends at LGSs or at home. Of course tournaments are going to be competitively driven and going to bring those people to it. Narrative games are usually done in smaller groups of people that know each other so fun rules or changes can be used without people coming out of the blue and trying to minmax based on them.
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>>54009584
>Bill Nye the Science guy breaks down the Shitsters of Basshole
My sex junk is so oh oh
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>>54009567
> Bungie sells their precious game franchise to a company founded by the original dev-team
> Said new company: 343, contained absolutely none of the original writers, and is hilariously incompetent in business related matters.
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>>54009584
It's retarded shitposting, I wouldn't bother trying to figure out their thought process. Save your brain cells
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>>54009471
Damn nigga you got all that for 50 bucks? You suck his cock
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>>54009572
Add to that no things to buy to your army.
No updates for the rest of armies models and rules wise.

I'd believe GW when the oldest model kit sold is from 2015
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>>54009595

And once you've done paying £500-800 on your shitty 50 man army you have no real incentive to buy anything more. The skirmish games at least give you the illusion you only need a small force that can grow over time.
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>>54009310
Gtfo
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>>54009572
They binned it once before in 40k
and multiple times in fantasy.

They do it because it keeps people buying models. It works like this:

>have single faction army
>like some other factions but not enough to start an entire army of them
>Allies are now allowed
>buy some kits of the other faction and ally them in
>Allies are disallowed
>Stuck with a bunch of other faction models I like but can't use
>Expand my other faction army because of sunk cost fallacy and being hooked on owning them.

and the cycle repeats.
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>>54009596

That was the IIIs, the IVs were the ones that were made out of random adults they recruited when things went to shit.
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>>54009584
There is no way in fuck there is over one person samefagging it.
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>>54009596
Yeah, 343 has kinda' trashed things, but I really appreciate the approach that Bungie took towards the whole universe, which is something 40k avoids, but only narrowly. I can't find the quote, but one of the writers said something along the lines of "We still have thing be mostly conventional warfare because, honestly, in the future this takes place in, war is 'you drink a glass of water and then your enemy dies' and we wanted to avoid that, even if it does beg the question as to why we're still using ballistic weapons 500 years from now".
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>>54009581
>still gets mad
>no one has played him since his tantrum at the FLGS
>shitpost in 4chan because no one wants him near

Ok buddy.
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>>54009584
I am 100 percent certain it has to do with the singing wall bass.
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>>54009638
IIIs are best marines.
>MFW I will never have an army of just Spartan III conscripts led by Spartan II commanders and vehicle operators.
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>>54009572

Because a playerbase that's cancerous drives out new players and kills sales. Sure, there's a lot of people buying select units Eldar and Riptides, but after that you're losing near everyone interested in Imperial Guard, Tyranids, Orks, CSM... And while you have some paying more per person, you have a lot less business overall.
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>>54009644
It is, just check the time of posting.

He is the equivalent of the slaanesh fag or the DA fag. Being so assblasted that continues to shitpost for eternity.

Report and hide.
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>>54009637

I see so what's your evidence here beyond "they did it 30 years ago"? Because I'm not seeing anything beyond your fanfic.
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>>54009657
Oh wait, I found it.

"In 300 years, weapons are going to be so advanced that they're not fun anymore. It'll be like, a glass of water. You drink it, and all of your enemies die. That's boring. So in 500 years we'll be back to guns and bullets again, because those are totally fun to kill things with." -- Robert Mclees
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>>54009600
ASSBLASTED FAGGOT IN THE THREAD
Have you checked the AoS general yet, confirming that
A) I'm right and
B) You are still a stupid little bitch with a 2 inch dick?
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>>54009629
I'm really good at finding deals on painted models and then stripping them down and repainting their shitty fuckin' paint jorbs.
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>>54009666
Calm your tits satan.
We can hear you trying to jerk off at the store, every time a woman passes by.
>>
Can someone give me a redpill suppository on
>RG
>IH
>IF
and they'are lore? thanks
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>>54009684
>30 years ago
You really need to learn to count. Like this is a critical skill not only for being an adult but even children need to know how to count.

Also doing it once every 5 or so years is plenty of evidence.
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>>54009691
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>>54009674

Has it driven out your cancerous ass yet?
>>
>>54009697
Ma-rey Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuueeeeeeeeeee
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>>54009471
I gotchu covered senpai.

Don't use the Deathjesters.

Always field Embraces. The reason they're better is that you should always run your 5 man Harlie squads with a Troupe Master for that dank reroll wounds (which makes the Embrace the best weapon against anything below T8).

Always put your dudes in transports if possible.

Skyweavers should have glaives, since only 1 can use the bolas anyway (grenades).

Keep the Harlies as Harlies because Rising Crescendo is crazy good. Run the other shit as Ynnari or Craftworlds as desired.

Ideally a top tier harlies list is 90% harlequins in transports, but you don't have those models.
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>>54009638
You're right, been ages since I thought about Halo
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>>54009704
are you just recycling /tv/ memes to post without context here
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>>54009700

>You really need to learn to count.

I was mocking your autistic ass, retard.

Provide evidence of allies being removed in 8th or go blog somewhere else.
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>>54009699
>Real Guard
>Imperial Heresy
>Iupiter Fists

Common name for people converting their guardmans to true-scale

The great schism that divided the imperium

The original legion name of one the legions that lost its primarch, but this was retconned out in 3rd edition.
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>>54009704
Still assblasted till this very day.
Has it been a month already? Get over it.
8th is here maybe the new guys would like to play with you.
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>>54009719
>It just keeps happening again and again but it won't anymore I just know it, I can feel it in my gut that it will never happen again!
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>>54009504
>e series gets a bad rep for popularizing console FPS
thought that was golden eye.
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>>54009691
its not there you cuck red.dit liberal. 8 yeares bitch
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>>54009726
E;R leave
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>>54009349
Oh shit nigger.... look who was right.
Faggot
>>
What's the manliest way to play tyranids? I don't want people to think I'm a girl just because I play bugs.
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>>54009746
Whoa come down there E;R
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>>54009726
There is someone, probably someone over the age of 18, sitting at a computer somewhere in the world typing this out, not pasting it, every single time.

Think about the kind of person who would do this. And realize that they're the type of person that doesn't have any friends, works a dead end job with prospect for advancement, is an embarrassment to his family, and who is jealous of people he knew in highschool because he sees how successful in life they've been over facebook.
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>>54009740

This isn't evidenced it's just having a tantrum.
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>>54009756
Oh really....
See>>54009759
2 INCH DICK FAGGOT IN THE THREAD
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>>54008591
You can only pile into the closest enemy model. The FAQ states that has to be the shortest route to that model too.

On the topic of piling in, can you pile into combat with another unit if you kill the one you were locked with? It doesn't say that it isn't allowed but I would think that you can only be within 1" of an enemy if you charge them.
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>>54009752
GoldenEye was the first big thing, but Halo was the thing that brought in brodudes with the advent of the original Xbox. Also, it technically introduced regenerating health in the first one before doubling down on it in the 2nd one, but the gameplay wasn't the same as the typical CoD game took the concept to be, leading to its hatred.
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>>54009635
>aids
>skirmish
Ramming blobs is not a skirmish game.
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>>54009759
Thanks for doing all the legwork. I couldn't be assed to open a new type and scroll through or ask /AoSG/
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>>54009759
>le
why do people still use outdated memes?
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>>54009764

Biovores, Genestealers, Carinfexs with wrecking ball gear, Lord dudes for your Genestealers.

Get some Vemon pukes in there too.

Boom your shit is manly as fuck.
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How hosed would I be if I went ork biker heavy right now? I have an idea for an army to get back into 40k after a near decade break, but it relies on how bikers are and if I can find a large amount of Savage Boarboys.
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>>54009786
It's not an abbreviation your mongloid. It's a french abbreviation for Like Example
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>>54009783

alright thanks for the citation there jobsworth
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>>54009786
french people are living in the past.
Fuck frencies.
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>>54009784
God damn dude I miss Macross like a mother fucker.
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The Halo conversation makes me want buy that Pelican model from the TTG and run it in 40k as a...Fire Raptor I guess...
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>>54009132
I've done 61 infantry, 9 x 40mm, and 3 monstrous creatures with a can and still have a bit left. Just don't go ham on your models.
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>>54009779
Repeating forced memes from 4chan while playing does not make you cool.

Making "reeee" like noises while playing does not help. Specially when you look stereotypical sex offender.
Get a haircut, lose some weight and actually talk to people instead of spouting memes, and maybe people will play with you again.
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Looking to make a forgeworld order with some buddies.

I play CSM and I'm looking to spend ~100 pounds. Any suggestions?
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>>54009810
le was so 2010. Were almost a decade ahead of them in memes.
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>>54009786

France can't afford new memes
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>>54009805
It'd be fine I'm sure. 8th is not only the first objectively balanced edition of 40k where every unit is good, but it's also the best balanced version of 40k.
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>>54009699

>redpill

Aside from that:
>Raven Guard
Got hugely fucked over during the Horus Heresy and never really recovered, though they have a few interesting successor Chapters like the Raptors and Carcharodons. They specialize in stealth and covert ops, carefully setting up a lightning-strike ambush and killing in one swoop. They like jump packs.
>Iron Hands
These guys lost their Primarch hard in the Horus Heresy, same place the Raven Guard got fucked over, in fact. These guys have a few interesting successors like the Sons of Medusa. They love bionics. They love bionics so much they sometimes replace damaged tissue that's repairable with bionics. They believe that the flesh is weak and that metal is superior like their Primarch's metal hands.
>Imperial Fists
These guys are kind of hardasses. They have a whole bunch of successors, and were the boots on the ground when the Horus Heresy reached their climax. They have a huge Star Fort they call home, and love bolters. They have some interesting successors like the Black Templars and Crimson Fists, and may or may not have all died at one point or another only to be brought back by their successors.
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>>54009813
I would give several arms to run some form of ODST model as deep striking units.
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>>54009691
>Have you checked the AoS genera
Who'd willingly do that to themselves.
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>>54009840
>ODST model as deep striking units.
Literally what Elysian drop troops are.
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>>54009826
Dreadclaw
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>>54009756
God all that broken English.
How can you even afford the internet in whatever 3rd world country you are from. I'm assuming you had to really sell that asshole to the town elders to get even this much net time.
Save your butthole the trouble brah. Stick to fucking animals or whatever
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>>54009415
I thought the same thing
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>>54009848
Yeah, but I want ODST models. It's such a sleek design.
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>>54009759
>gaming
That's just a brazen lie.
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>>54009861
Did E;R drunk and decide to shit up the thread?
the fuck do you think you're doing to autistic weeb?
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>>54009848
The most fun part of Halo, is the human and alien aspects.
Even the creation of Spartans is rather fun. The Spartans them self? Not very interesting.

Something similar happens with 40k. Marines got boring once you grow older. Still fun, but the rest of the setting is way cooler.
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>>54009863

Pig Iron Productions has pretty close approximations to ODST helmets in their bits line.
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>>54009868
Can't be, this isn't the star wars general.
Also no TWO BILLION DOLLAHS.
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I've heard scouts aren't very good in 8th*. Can anyone elaborate on that?

*Or are they just not very in general, I never played space marines much outside of the starter sets.
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>>54009837
What one is more interesting and fun when it comes to the tabletop? Those are the three chapters I can't decide between. Going to go Primaris only. I want fun, not the best.
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>>54009869

Get into Your Dudes and make a chapter that fucks around in bumfuck nowhere, where their own weird shit is going on and they have to deal with all the weird heresies and stuff we only get to hear about in a few lines of throwaway fluff or a single obscure mention.
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>>54009892
He is samefagging. I'll give the fucker dedication it has been almost a month of him alone shitposting.
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I've found the 2 objectively strongest lists for 1000 pt. matched play. This maximizes the amount of CP you can have, and everyone knows that's the only way to win games.

2 Brigades - 1000
1 Primaris Psyker - 40
6 Company Commanders - 180
12 Infantry Squads - 480
6 Acolytes (1) - 48
6 Cyberwolves (1) - 90
6 Mortar Squads - 162

2 Brigades - 1000
1 Renegade Commander power maul - 29
3 Renegade Commanders - 75
2 Malefic Lords - 60
6 Brimstone Horrors (10) - 120
6 Mutant Rabble (10) - 240
6 Renegade Command Squads - 144
6 Chaos Spawn (1) - 198
6 Heavy Stubber Squads - 126
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>>54009869
>Halo
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>>54009892
That weeb actually show up there?
Or do you guys have a parade of ecelebs
Is mr plinkett a regular poster?
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>>54009909
Ma-Rey Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuueeeeeeeeeeeee
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>>54009926
you are so white belt /tv/ its painful
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>>54009902
I do like the lore of SPARTANS more. One thing that always stuck with me was that, even if one of them was clearly dead, they're never listed as KIA, only MIA. It's such a minor little idea that just reinforces the idea that SPARTANS never die.
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>>54009902
Or do some Inquisition henchmen in power armour... God damnit GW please stop killing my options.

There are entire regiments of IG or hell your own personal RT or Inquisitor army to make your dudes.
Marines get boring after two decades. The amount of freedom to make each dude "your dude" with regular humans surpass marines by country mile.
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>>54008873
I've been out of the loop; what is wrong with power levels?
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>>54009900

There's no difference at the moment. With the Indexes, everyone lost their Relics and Chapter Tactics, so they're all the same. The only differences right now are their Special Characters, and I think Forgeworld has a Raven Guard Character or two out in their Indexes.

When those come back, we can talk, but otherwise read up on their lore and strategies and see what appeals to you. Might as well procrastinate while new things are still being released so you can make a more informed decision.
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>>54009897
They're not fantastic but they're a lot better than Tactical marines.
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>>54009932
So like Caphias Cain?
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>>54009926
Ma-Rey Sue is what he calls the protagonist of the farce engorges, why would anyone bring it up except to annoy fans of the character is beyond me, and you're more likely to find fans of a character in the thread about that franchise the character is from.
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>>54009851
That's 62 pounds. So I could get something else too.

Or get 2 of them, I suppose.
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>>54009897
Scouts are amazing in 8th thanks to how sniper rifles work.
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>>54009931
>you are so white belt /tv/ its painful
i have no idea what you mean by that
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>>54009947
The thing is they all appeal to me and thats the problem. I'm struggling to find one that appeals to me more.
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>>54009941
Nothing really, mostly just a bunch of pointless moaning and shitposting
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>>54009841
I do sometimes it's super dead though, but the people are nice.
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>>54009705

If you take any ynnari the whole army has to be ynnari
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>le sniper maymays
Psh. . . For the greater good kid.
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>>54009941
you can slob anything you want on any squad without having to get precise.
And it isn't the most effectively balanced.
But now you have to BUY the god damned weapons on your unit now.
I actually consider going for PP more often because of that. But with my dealings in FoW i don't think it will work fine long term
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>>54008681

Those indices were a stop gap
Not the actual edition. I don't want them holding things up so people don't feel bad about their placeholders
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>>54009941
You usually run out of PL before points.
Right now some armies end having more shit in PL while other get more stuff in points.
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>>54009764
Not being insecure about what faction you play
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>>54009984
>but the people are nice.
all i remember from them is
>GROGNARD
>SLAV
and other assorted autistic screechings
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>>54009937

I'm actually doing a small squad of Golden Halos for Inq28. They'd be survivors from a crashed Drop Pod that have been rescued by an Ordo Hereticus Inquisitor and pressed into service on her own mission before being allowed to rejoin their Chapter. Part of the intrigue for them will be their Apothecary's need to keep the geneseed of their dead comrades who died in the crash pure and stable, as well as their Sergeant's suspicion that their Drop Pod getting shot down was the fault of Inquisitor so she could scoop up the survivors for her own ends.

She'll also have her own retinue of freaks from many walks of the Imperium, plus some less freaky Acolytes.
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>>54009994
painting flying stand bases yes or no?
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>>54010037
Up to you.

Personally it is a mixed bag for me.
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>>54010037
No? Why is this a question?
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>>54010037
Fahck you.
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>>54009966

Hit the lore wikis and start researching. Whose Primarch do you like more? Do you prefer Thunder Hammers or Lightning Claws? Do you like Black, Yellow, or Silver better, and which is hardest to paint?

Just learn as much as you can and find something that sticks. Personally, of those choices I like Raven Guard because I like stealth and Jump Packs, too. Plus I like their successors. Although if we're talking successors, I like the Iron Hands successor Chapter Sons of Medusa.
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>>54010037
Basing it like in that pic looks fine. Painting the stem looks goofy unless you are playing BFG.
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>>54007625
Good.
Yes.
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>>54008558
Played a game of 8th today
120pl vs 120pl
it was mostly balanced and a lot of fun
Played the narrative mission Meat Grinder with Tyranids in the respawn role
I like Power levels because then it's simply bring WYSIWYG I don't have to say "this guy doesn't have a power fist cause I didn't have the points even though he's clearly modeled with one"
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>>54009966
Go Crimson Fists, we have Mexicans and Power Fists.
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>>54010098
>>54009116
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>>54010098
Also Broodlord is my new favorite unit, chucking out Mortal wounds and a fucking nightmare in CC
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>>54010106
Aren't they Spaniard?

Mexican would be something like Pablo Malverde, instead of Pedro Kantor.
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>>54009822
thanks
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>>54010124
and unlike a prime he can keep up with hormagaunts yeah
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>>54009966
There's Ultramarines who are the best space marine chapter of them all.

There's also the Grey Knights who are the best space marine chapter of them all but they're super secretive so no one knows it outside the inquisition.
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>>54010098
>WSYIWYG
>power isn't waac, honest
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>>54009116
> REEEEEE
> PEOPLE WHO DON'T AGREE WITH ME DON'T ACTUALLY EXIST
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>>54010126
>implying Spain isn't European Mexico.
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>>54010119
>120 power level
It is like playing at 2250 points.
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>>54010074
How hard is black to paint? I think if I were to knock out one of those picks, it would be Iron Hands because whole tech side to them doesn't appeal to me. Raven Guard just kinda come off as less cool Night Lords to me too
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>>54010119
Sorry but you're wrong, I'm not looking for (you)'s but I'm also not saying Power Levels are superior to Points.
For matched play and tournaments there is no excuse for not using points
For Narrative, fun and friendly games, Power Levels rain supreme.
My group simply enjoys playing 40k, we love the lore and love re-enacting scenarios. Are we still competitive sure but we're also not colossal faggots who make wargaming not fun.
We're laid back enough to simply enjoy the game, let your opponent re-roll that "leaner" even if it's clearly a 1 because you just wasted his dudes and you want to cut him a little slack
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>>54010153

Less cool Night Lords?

Well, son, if you think the Night Lords are cool, one of their successors is the Carcharodons, and Forgeworld has given them some love. Read up on them.
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>>54010145
Hello kettle, stop calling pot black.
Also points are still better because you can actually build an army rather than cram shit in.
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>tfw have a ton of painted guard
>most of them are fairly shitty because I painted them as a child
>newer ones are much better but lack shades and highlighting (poorfag for 40k, couldn't get shades or a ton of paints until recently)
>tfw finally got shades and basing material so now I can highlight and base
feels good man
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>>54010146
Anon, Spain is not riddled with crime and cartel wars. Maybe Germany or Greece? What ever country looks like a war zone but with functional society would be the Mexico of Europe
Nor has the stupidly glorious Metalachi.
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>>54010098
>I like Power levels because then it's simply bring WYSIWYG I don't have to say "this guy doesn't have a power fist cause I didn't have the points even though he's clearly modeled with one"

Just like points, are you trying to hide you waacfagging nature under PL?
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>>54010176

>Spain is not riddled with crime and cartel wars
???????
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>>54010176
>tfw in Acapulco there's a new gang that named themselves after slang for junk food
>now it's dangerous to say the fucking word
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>>54010189
>leviathan dread with 2 grav flux bombards

Really bought into conscript memes
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>>54010198
> Waacfagging
> Putting power fists on tactical marine sergeants because they look cool
Pic one, and only one
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>>54010173
>>54010165
Points are better for matched play but not Narrative games
We show up to play with everything we have then decide on a PL and BAM! we've both got a list quickly and easily and we play, have fun, and enjoy ourselves
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>>54010207
Only real way for me to deal with blobs, unless you have a better idea for an all dread list.
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>>54010167
Went through their book recently but I'm spacing on the name. Doesn't seem like their (7e) tactics would suit a Primaris only army.
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>>54010198
you're just being a dick

>>54010208
Thank you, I like my sgts to look cool
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>>54010200
The point is Crimson fist are Spaniards not Mexicans.

Im not even sure GW knows Mexico exist. Hell their Lizardmen look like Aztecs.
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>>54010211
>he didn't build a list before coming over
You're cancer.
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>>54010226
I gave all my Sternguard vets power swords because they look cool. But they never saw the table as a consequence.
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>>54010206
Chatarra?

That could be a cool name for Necromunda gang.
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>>54010238
>he obsessively built some retarded list which doesn't work and then throws a little tantrum and starts screeching
There's a reason we (meaning everyone) love Power Levels and it's because it makes That Guy (you) redundant
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>>54010222

Primaris are getting what looks like some melee units, so have faith.
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>>54009705
Yo Senpai, I'm cool with getting some more transports because theyre cheap and I guess you need them to make the Army work. Also our store has decided that Ynarri is all or nothing (fluff and we agreed on it) so I can do Harlies+ Craftworlds

Im thinking something like this?
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Of all the models that come on the 120mm by 92mm large oval base, including those using a flier stand, which has the most wounds? How many wounds does it have?
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>>54010238
Dude I build list in my free time all the time, it's half the fucking fun for me.
We show up knowing what we have and once we decide on what Battle we're re-enacting with the Narrative missions we throw together a list. We could do points but it becomes a pain to make things exactly 2000 vs 2000. and this new Power thing is just quicker and easier for the way we play. We aren't playing to win, we're playing because we fucking love 40k.
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>>54010250
What?

You travel to a place, expecting to play with random people and didn't had a list ready? Is not hard to have a list ready.

Using points or Power levels still requires making a list.
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>>54010251
Besides the scout unit, what else?
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>>54010249
Maña.
I say new, but it's a few years old.

>>54010250
>doesn't write several lists
>can't alter one of them after a game
>strawmans to make it seem his lowering of standards are a good thing
Like I said, cancer.
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>>54010278
lol like I said, redundant
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>>54010250
God I'm so glad I'm not alone, there are a few guys at my LGS that are waac faggots and I refuse to play with them, they aren't fun to play with...I say play "with" and not "against" because I didn't spend thousands of fucking dollars to argue and fight over a hobby.
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>>54010287

Well, that's it at the moment. I expect Assault Marines at some point, but going by what appears in the Dark Imperium book, what's next after Reivers is guys with shoulder-mounted heavy weapons or something.
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>>54010267
>it's quicker
If you're already coming with made lists then power levels are pointless you twit.
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>>54010295
Of course you aren't alone. That Guy always tries to pretend that he's the "main" part of a hobby when the truth is that they are just so loud and smell so bad that they take up more space in the hobby than normal people
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>>54010267
>power levels always dicks me over
>points allow me to use what I already have

Some how with points I end having 1985 while in power levels I end having 101. Always end cutting stuff out with PL.
No idea why people are enjoying PL, it almost as they never tried playing with points.
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>>54010292
Power is redundant.
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>>54010300
I make my lists using PL you fucking Neanderthal. Points are for Matched Play and Tournaments. I don't play either of those, it's Narrative or nothing and I don't play random people normally so no it's never been a problem.
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>>54010292
Building a list in the spot is cancer. Using points or PL to make a list on the spot does not make it less cancer
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>>54010295
How is coming ready to play WAAC?
If anything you building a list on the spot with power, seeing what your opponent is bringing and how to counter it, makes you the WAACfag.
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>>54010297
Yeah, their new terminator dudes. Would love to have a Primaris Tyberos
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>>54010315
>I make my lists with power
Then you don't get to insult anyone nor play against anyone that isn't a member of your moron clique.
At least the 30k flufffags have a decent game, you're just aping the corpse of Fantasy.
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>>54010315
Sooo you are playing narrative, and make lists on the spot for the narrative game.

Are you trying to waac narrative games? The hell is wrong with you.
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What are the best weapons for a helbrute? I was thinking fist and scourge or fist and hammer
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>>54010167
Carcharodons have been confirmed RG since forever man
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>>54010323
>>54010312
>>54010311
Because there's only 1 way to play this game?
Are you fucking kidding me with this shit?
Not everyone is like you or your group or plays like you or your group.
Some of us have adapted well to the system they put in place for casual games and just because you and your group are to OCD or Autistic to see past your own inflated egos doesn't mean my way is wrong or invalid.
If a rando showed up at your store pulling that shit, sure , be pissed, don't play him, whatever but don't fucking belittle him for choosing an approved method from GW to play his hobby.
Otherwise you're just a fucking prick and should be beaten and shot in the streets with the rest of the trash.
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>>54010331

Guy who writes Carcharodons says they didn't get doled out Primaris, but managed to get that ability through their own network of contacts.

Apparently the Carcharodons keep a watchful eye on the Imperium when they're out in the void, and they aren't exactly shitting their pants over Guilliman's return, but there's some ideological debates happening in their Chapter.
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>>54010315
30k is basically narrative game and does not have Power Levels.

Your argument is literally pointless.
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Okay, quick question for a guy who has not liked the rules for 8ed, but wants to give it a try and hopes that after rolling some dice, that changes. When making a battleforged army, I only need my units to share one faction keyword, right? So, I could in theory take a detachment with CSM and daemons and it would still be legit?
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>>54010348

Yes, I know. Raven Guard and Night Lords have always been rivals, and he mentioned that he thought the Raven Guard were less cool Night Lords. In response, I suggested Carcharodons which are more cool Raven Guard that do the Night Lord thing.
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>>54010352
Here's an idea, play the scenarios, play city fight or planetfall or any other variation that exists to shale things up.
Don't start dumbing shit down and expect it to go over well.
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>>54010255
That's solid. I guess the shadowseer goes with the walking squad?

I'd drop the solitaire so that you can afford to put embraces on every harlequin (and add fusion pistols while you're at it). Assuming ofc that you're allowed to proxy those weapons. Fusion pistol squads in transports are strong b/c of open topped.
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>>54010327
>>54010343
Jesus you're obviously not getting it or don't understand what I'm saying and I don't have time to break it down to a kindergarten level for you so just move on and keep doing what your doing and leave the PL gamers to their own devices.
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>>54010352
Spotted the Pathfinder player.
Trying to hold dear to a retarded and bad system because it is better for their own hug group.

Point work better for narrative. Most of the time PL fuck you when trying to make a list. Hell points are more granular now so you can adjust them even better for narrative.
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>>54010382
>he's upset about getting called out on his shit
Stay locked up in your cuck shed. You won't be missed.
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Any Salamanders players wanna share new favorites?

Im loving the fuck out of my venerable dread with 3 heavy flamers and my land raider redeemer has never looked better on the table
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>>54010358
they really aren't though, do they have a mission like Meat Grinder, or the stealth mission?
Do they have Preliminary Bombardments and Concealed Deployments?
I'm honestly curious, I don't play 30k so enlighten me.
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What chapter are you painting your primaris marines?
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>>54010382
PL is a bad system for narrative and even pick up games.

Actually play a couple of games with both Points and PL. PL benefit some armies way more than others.

You can end with stuff like one side bringing 300 extra points even though they have the same power level. In this game those extra 300 points can mean entire squad and their transport.
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>>54010410
Spess Mexicans
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>>54010397
Yes
That is why everyone is calling you out regarding PL.

Point work narrative too. PL are half ass solution to a non existent problem.
Maybe back in 7th those PL would made sense but in 8th? Not much since everyone is just as bland as everyone else.
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>>54010428
Crimson Fists?
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>>54010439
Yeh
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>>54010437
> Calling 'you' out on PL
Bruh, there's far more than 1 person here in support of PL.
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>>54010439
>>54010445
Spaniard Marines

Mexican Marines would be LotD, they have the "Day de los Muertos" theme all over them.
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>>54010366
Yeah
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>>54010439
Have you started yet? Crimson Fists are my favorite chapter, I'd love to see some pics.
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>>54010437
I prefer the lotr missions.
Nothing like splitting your army in two and then having your opponent's whole army trying to kill that half of your force.
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>>54010454
Ok fine 2, maybe 3 tops.
PL are bad, they came to solve 7th problems.
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>>54010454
>>54009116
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>>54010255
Honestly thanks man.

I think this is a good core to play a game and learn with, but I'll remember your notes about dropping Solitaire to completely pimp out the Players for more WAACfag games.

I can proxy weapons because we all agree the new edition has changed model options far beyond what is possible with the current kits. Also I wouldnt fucking play against some fag that wouldnt let me proxy a god damn pistol for another pistol you know what I mean?

But yeah I was figuring Shadowseer walks behind and casts shit since she is kind of wasted riding around. She can always Pathways herself to keep up with the transports to provide that buff.

Again thanks and I made notes of your other suggestions.
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>>54010418
>PL is bad
lol mad guy who's bad at 40k detected
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>>54010454
Idiots and waacfags aren't people.
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>>54010465
And you can't do this while using points because?
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>>54010460
Shhh I love me meximarine memes.

>>54010464
Nah, I've no money and dunno how to get custom transfer sheets since the DI one doesn't have CF transfers on it
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>>54010374
>>54010384
>>54010393
Thankfully our group of 6-7 guys get along well, we're all Military Vets and give each other shit and swear and bitch and have a great time.
I honestly don't care how you play the game, and I'm not saying my way is better than your way. I am saying that we prefer things our way, it works for us and we have fun every game we've played.
I hope you have fun with points, you should, it's a fucking expensive ass hobby to not be having fun. I also see the value in points but it's also difficult when you literally each have 3-4 armies consisting of 4-5000 points...(we're vets so we have money to blow on our hobbies)
It just seems to work out well for us to show up on Sundays with whatever army we are in the mood to play and decide we each want to bring 50pl and play 2vs2 or 3vs1 and then divide the 100pl between the three...because pl make multiplayer games like that easier than the exactness of points. We don't need a balanced game we just need a close estimate that we can quickly come up with and play.

why Is that so hard to understand?
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>>54010486
Lotr uses points.
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>>54010481
But anon how can be someone using points be bad at 40k

You are clearly confused.
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>Honestly thanks man.
>I think this is a good core to play a game and learn with, but I'll remember your notes about dropping Solitaire to completely pimp out the Players for more WAACfag games.
>I can proxy weapons because we all agree the new edition has changed model options far beyond what is possible with the current kits. Also I wouldnt fucking play against some fag that wouldnt let me proxy a god damn pistol for another pistol you know what I mean?
>But yeah I was figuring Shadowseer walks behind and casts shit since she is kind of wasted riding around. She can always Pathways herself to keep up with the transports to provide that buff.
>Again thanks and I made notes of your other suggestions.

I meant to reply to you, but I fucked up.
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I talked the blackshirt running the GW store I play at and she hasn't seen anyone at all use PL in the weeks since 8ED started.

This is the east coast battlebunker so that's about 70+ players, none of which are using PL.
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>>54010498
>makes a bunch of lists using a program that doesn't even have the values correct
>throws a tantrum when someone points out that if you are going to use a list builder you might as well use the vastly superior PL system
That's how
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>>54010495
>this much text just to crawl away from the argument
Fuck off, stay on your containment zone.
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>>54010445
what a coincidence, i also started a crimson fist army yesterday
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>>54010495
He's looking pretty good in this pic
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>>54010495
>because pl make multiplayer games like that easier than the exactness of points

>because massive wargear imbalances make multiplayer games easier than everyone being on a level playing field
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>>54010418
>>54010437
>>54010454
>>54010475
>>54010481
>>54010485
>>54010498
Ok so I guess I should preface all my arguments with the fact we have never played a 1vs 1 40k game...there is always at least 4 of us on Sundays and so we play together either 1vs1vs1vs1 or 2vs2 or 3vs1.
So in those instances would points still be better, not knowing if I'm going to be a third of a team or solo or half a team?
What's the best system for that kind of 40king?
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>>54010516
That's a lot of early 3rd edition mono-pose snapfit manlets.
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>>54010495
>3-4 armies each
>Each army has 4k+ in points
>it is hard to make 1k or 2k list.

Do you think your list need to be exactly 2000 points? Or are you just trolling due to assblasting?
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>>54010520
>massive imbalance
Only possible in points games. PL is the only balanced mode, you'd know this if you had read the rules.
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>>54010520

Casual, Narrative, or true WYSIWIG, And/Or a combination of the aforementioned is fun to play at with PL.

Anything else is just gamey and bullshit.
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>>54010514
I'm not crawling away, I'm trying to understand why me using PL with my friends is such a fucking problem,
>we like it, get over it, it's not like you have to play me
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>>54010522
Make multiple lists.

1 for solo
1 for half
1 for 3rd

It's not difficult. Or wait maybe it is. Are you a halfwit? Maybe that's the draw of powerlevels? It's easy to grasp for mongloids. The type of people who wear velcro shoes because they can't tie laces.
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>>54010516
A-anon, you know that two red fists? is for veterans only, right
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>>54010512
>mfw making list by hand for decades
>the numbers are so simple you can do them on the fly
>some how this makes points hard.

Are you retarded or your country basic education failed hard?
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>>54010522
Your army has to be self sufficient just incase it stands alone, you need to build a bigger list capable of greater threats in the case of 3v1, and 2v2 is just the same point but you decide with your partner how to tackle what targets.
At best that's 3 lists to write, takes you 10 minutes or so.
List building is part of the fun.
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>>54010556
>claims he's making lists by hand
>desperately defending the inferior antiquated points system anyway
I don't believe you
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>>54010554
Theyre all manlets, so theyre all veterans compared to primaris marines
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>>54010533
>A 10-man tactical squad of marines armed with a flamer and a lascannon, and a powerfist plasmapistol sarge is balanced against a squad of 6 tactical marines armed with nothing but bolters

I'm convinced that PL's cater to the dimwit crowd. The type of people that drool uncontrollably, and pay to see transformer movies in theaters while yelling and hooting after every explosion.
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>>54010528
>arguing that PL are not exact
>arguing that points are exact
>asking if my list needs to be exactly 2000pts
I don't understand your logic
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>>54010541
If you and your autistic cabal like to roll play doh to settle things then go right ahead, no one cares.
When you start saying play doh is better than acutely playing then not expecing people to call you names is unreasonable.
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>>54010533
100 PL
>need to remove 3 units in order to be under 100
2000 points
>those 3 units are still there and still have points to spare for more upgrades.

PL fucks some armies hard, why is that hard to understand.
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>>54010554
THEYRE ALL FUCKING VETERANS GOD DAMNIT.

ITS BEEN 117 FUCKIN YEARS SINCE THE CHAD MARINES SHOWED UP

I GOT A RED RIGHT HAND FROM JERKIN IT SO HARD TO THEIR TALL ADONIS-LIKE BODIES, UGGGHAGHGGHGHGHYEAAAAAAH
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>>54010575
Points are a limit, thus the name point limit.
Are you dense?
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>>54010574
>posts picture of a downie
>calls it autism
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>>54010575
They say they have over 4k points in multiple armies
Some making a 2k list with that many options is harder?
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>>54010598
Yes he uses PL

>>54010565
Did you start playing on 6th or something? We have been making list by hand or shitty spreadsheets for decades now.

Crappy list making programs are just for a quick way to share list.
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>>54010546
ok, I hear you, I got you
now let's say that I've spent all this fucking money on these giant armies...clearly I'm an indecisive person...you honestly think the list I make the night before is the same list I'm going to want to use when I get there?

Also what if everyone decides they want to play 756 points instead of 895 points...I have to have a fucking list for every eventuality?
Or can I just bring all my models and add up a few pl and get a workable list
I say workable as in I'm not competing or trying win a game of 40k, I just want a list that is close in strength to my friends that we can play a game of 40k.
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>>54010600
Down can have autism, in case you didn't know.
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>>54009250
I live in a third world country and in my country there are less than two dozen players.

Which "third world" country are you from?

Because I'm about to bump you up to 2nd.
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>>54010037
Why would you?
They're clear to give the indication they're flying, instead of standing on something tall.
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>>54010635
Chile, we are trying to become new Venezuela.
Some how profit and free enterprise is wrong and immoral. But only if someone else beside themself does it.
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>>54010625
>I have to have a fucking list for every eventuality
Just for 500, 1k, 2k; you know, the standard point levels that all normal people play at.
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>>54010559
you aren't grasping the combinations possible with multiple 3k armies, also I don't play to win, I don't care if my MegaNobz are inferior to killa Kans, I want to play my Megas....we don't even try to compliment each other based off what we're fighting, we just bring what we're in the mood to play or what is appropriate for the narrative.
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>>54009116
They are useful on certain occasions
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Any suggestions for a decent 2000pt Ork army VS. Tau? The Tau player is bringing a Fireblade-based synergy heavy list with a Riptide.
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>>54010574
>continues throwing a tantrum that he's outdated
>lying to defend something he doesn't understand
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>>54010669
What's the Powerlevel average now? Also, useful when?
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>>54010625
>Also what if everyone decides they want to play 756 points instead of 895 points
How is that an issue? You already use PL so clearly you don't don't have a problem with points levels being imbalanced in the first place :^)
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>>54010580
Call me names, I've got thick skin, also I'm fat
I do feel PL work better for how we play and our specific situation, it's arrogant to say the only way to play 40k properly is by using points. If that were the case then why have open play and PL's at all?
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>>54010584
It fucks you hard if you don't know how to make a proper list with PL, We've played like 14 games of 8th only using PLs and none of us have had any problems aside from one of our game I brought a horde of melee Nids and the 3 of them had 1 Knight that was bitch to try to take out.
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>>54010656
Then make more than 3 lists.
Shit, I write 5 before going out to play.
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>>54010625
3rd to 8th

Common point limits have been 500, 750, 100, 1250, 1500, 1850, 2000, 2500 and 3000.

I have never seen any group in my 2 decades of playing this bloody game across the globe a retarded point limit like 756 or 895. Not even WHF when Skaven had 0.5 cost for a model stupid shit like that happen.

It seems you think points need to be exactly 2000 points instead of just an upper limit. You can play with 259 points in a 2000 points game. It would be stupid but you can.
Most of the time at 2000 points people will be a bit under like 1997 or 1988 (in the odd case there literally nothing extra to fit those extra 12 points). It is normal and expected.
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>>54010687
You're not supposed to match powerlevel.
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Advantages of points over power levels:
>Greater granularity inherently means balance can be more finely tuned.
>GW is going to be tweaking point values as time goes on for greater balance, power levels will not be receiving this treatment.
>Power level assumes that you're taking "average upgrades" on your units, but nothing prohibits you from stacking as many upgrades as possible on every single unit. Thus, units which can take more expensive upgrades are greatly advantaged by the power level system. For instance, a Nob squad can take a power klaw, kombi-rokkit, and ammo runt for every member, but cost equally as much power as a unit with only basic equipment, but the massive disparity in damage potential between these two is paid for when using points.
>Certain weapons are rendered completely irrelevant by power level. For instance, there is no reason to ever take a Heavy Bolter over a Grav Cannon when using power level, but the relative cheapness of the Heavy Bolter makes it worth considering when using points.
>Paying for troops in blocks instead of one guy at a time can present some interesting list building issues. For instance, an Ork player wanting to fill a trukk with boyz must either pay full price for 20, but only take 12, or else pay for only 10 and leave 2 empty spots in the trukk. This isn't an issue when using points.
>Which units are good for their cost changes dramatically between points and power level. For example, an Ork player might consider taking a Battle Wagon when using points, because they can keep the vehicle inexpensive by taking only a deffrolla, whereas the cost becomes much more dubious in power level, because you're paying full price for a bunch of weapons you're unlikely to ever use.
Advantages of power levels over points:
>It takes marginally less time to put together an army list, because you don't need to perform as many arithmetic operations.

Okay, can we please just put this shit to bed now?
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>>54010690
Because 8th is age of gulliman and nobody uses open play.
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>>54010654
>normal
I guess we aren't fucking Normal than John
I want to bring all my nids. it's 2487 points or 127pl
which is easier for them to come up with and 2487point list or 127pls worth of stuff?
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>>54010671

Uhhh, You got some Morka/Gorkanauts? Some battle wagons? Basically you need to deliver da boys into combat, and make sure they can get in there.

Also play the denied flank. If he spreads out to push in a line, you say fuck no to that shit. Push up one flank and just get in, let him fold on you, but youre stronger the more grouped up you are.

I dunno what models you have, but you ain't gonna win if you are footsloggin. A fuck load of bikes works too.
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>>54010689
Ya got me there, I guess at a subconscious level it's easy to say we both have 56PL than to say I have 857points and you have 657points...at the end of the day we just want to bring what we want as close as possible to everyone else.
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>>54010731
Not an argument.
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>>54010731
Alright, here's your (You). Now, can you take your low effort b8 and go shit up a different thread, please?
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>>54010731
The person you just replied to clearly put a lot of time and effort into coming up with their post. What are your actual responses to the reasons they list, and why do you think PL is "indisputably superior"? Honestly curious why you feel this way.
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>>54010724
True I've never used Open Play, I think it's sort of ridiculous but hey to each their own.
But PL is a legitimate system that works, maybe not as good as points but if you don't care about a little imbalance it can be easier in my opinion
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>>54010740
I got two Battlewagons, but almost 120 boyz. What do I do with the other 100?
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>>54010709
Well said and good argument, I award you a point.
Still there are situations when playing with multiple players that it's just easier to use PL.

example:
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>>54010771
You could make the argument that power levels as both players make the list in person before playing to counter one another is valid, but no one does that and no, random abstractions that give you free gear is not legitimate.
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>>54010773

2 Battlewagons is good. Killcannon blows, just Deffrolla that bad boy and stick boys/hq in em. If you got some trucks they can haul boys/elites/Hqs too. The Ork Flyers are great, run one if you got it.

Wierdboy can help with Da Jump to throw em in combat as well.

Battlewagons can also be used as Loota shooting platforms because they dont take a hit on their BS when they shoot cause of Battwagon rules.

You can leave a group of boys back on your side, footsloggin behind the tank for fucking up his deepstrikes.

Meganobz are good.
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>>54010823
I got 5 trukks (they're all Gorkamorka but we're best friends so he won't care).

No flyers.

I'll make sure to do some battlewagon shit though
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>>54010176
>mfw Spaniards that moved to my state told me they have better opportunities in Mexico than Spain
I don't even know what to believe
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>>54010504
No problem. The fusion pistols/full squad with embraces are definitely for when you want to win. The Solitaire is fine for fun pick up games. He's just a bit costly for what he does compared to his equivalent points in upgrades.

Good luck out there!
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>>54010773

Oh and cans/dreds. also good choices. Odds are if you take enough random bullshit and keep your boys hidden/safe because you're making him shoot at other shit you shoudl be able to get into combat turn 2.

Remember to charge with the wagon first, then use its pile in move to tie up as many units as possible in close combat. Seriously turn that fucker sideways and drift into his puny blue skulls. Prioritize shit you know you can kill in one turn (ie things that don't have the "fly" keyword") that way you can work the combats in your favour.

Bring some klaws and other high strength stuff on a couple models to ensure you can gib the T5 suits.
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>>54010720
Real quick cause I've got to fucking get some sleep before work and shitting on this thread has taken up to much of my night
1) the whole balance thing only matters if I care, I don't need greater granularity because I'm not playing a tournament.
2) I agree if you took all upgrades it would be unfair and unbalanced, it would also be super gay and we'd kick them in their nutsack for pulling that shit, again I'm arguing PL work better for my specific group not the community as a whole, I give 2 shits what the rest of the world does, it has no bearing on how I play.
3) Certain weapons are rendered useless if you don't already have your stuff modeled a certain way, sure a Grav cannon is better and free but I've modeled all my guys with Missile Launchers so I'm taking ML...moot point
4) the squad upgrades could be a problem, we have not yet run into it but I can see where it could be for others
5) Another good example with the Battlewagon but doesn't make as big an impact as I feel you're stating. As the whole PL system is just a genral gauge of the units strength I think it stills works out in the end as long as your opponent (in my case guys I've known and played games with for decades) isn't a faggot.
Yes I will put it to bed cause I'm tired and I will continue to use PL in our games and when I post battle reports I will be sure to specify that we are using PL and that it does not in any way ruin or kill our games.
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>>54010759
>>54010765
>everyone who disagrees with me is trolling
That's a symptom of autism
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>>54010236
>implying they aren't better as Mexicans
>implying Spaniards in space are fun
>implying they wouldn't be something like bull Marines or some shit if they were Spaniards
Nah Mexican Marines are better, fuck Spaniards
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>>54010863
Here's what I own:

100+ slugga
20 Shoota
15 loota
5 trukk
2 battlewagon
3 kanz
3 nob bikers
Weird boy
Warboss
Pain boy
Big Mek
20~ nobz
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>>54010885
>dawn of war names
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>>54010885
Obviously some of the boyz and stuff could be run as say kommandos
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>>54010289
>Maña
Here in Chiapas that means something like cleverness or being cunning what the fuck is wrong with your city?

Also what kind of food is that?
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>>54010897
?
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SKULLS FOR KHORNE!!!!
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Realistically, being either the top tier or bottom tier is equally undesirable.
The latter is unfun for obvious reasons.
Whereas top: no one will play with you, everyone hates you, everyone wants you nerfed and so forth.

The Upper-Middle slot is actually most ideal. Good enough to play with many lists, get games, and do well enough. But clearly below top tier so no one directs ire at you, letting you stay at that slot into the next edition.

For examples sake
Necrons have been riding that mid-high but now have been drawing hate and coming across as a new top dog. Being viewed as top tier will lower the fun for necrons and possibly getting heavy handedly nerfed.

The moral of the story is, no one actually wants to be top tier unless you merely picked up the faction to WAAC with and have 0 investment
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Best way to run 100 bolter marines?
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>>54010930
into traffic
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>>54010904
Just junk food like twinkies or doritos.
Acapulco is fucked man.
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>>54009851
Garbage.
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>>54010652
>trying to become new Venezuela
Not that anon, but man that suck, you guys better don't let that shit happens to you.
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>>54010652
>South America
>Third world

We in Southeast Asia laugh at you, rich fucks.
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>>54010935
kek
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Ok last post for the night

Specific example today:
We are playing Meat Grinder where the attacker respawns and the defenders must survive until the end to win, simple.
I decide to bring my entire swarm list which comes to 2457points taking exactly what is modeled.
My 3 oppenents try to decide how they want to divide the points, I say well it's 122 Power if that's easier.
Boom ol dude take a Knight 27 that's it, the other guy says ok I've got 48 power. So I tell the raven Guard guy ok you have 47 Power, he adds and BAM! we're good to go and start playing.
Using points would have taken a lot longer as they try to determine what they can and can't take on unit's that are modeled a specific way. I like that PL let you take your squads as they are modeled and not having to nit pick how many points it is.

We played our game and had a blast they had 4 units left at the end of turn 6 and won a major victory, fun was had by all.

Power Level is good for people who want to play games a certain way (muh, yeah the gay way you mogoloid toddler) <--- Major Prick Alert
Good night and go fuck something or someone cause you're all way too uptight.

>power level rules, points drool
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>>54010878
>still no argument
This list here >>54008997 and
++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Imperium - Astra Militarum) [82 PL, 1994pts] ++
+ HQ [9 PL, 123pts] +
Company Commander [3 PL, 45pts]: Plasma pistol [5pts], Power fist [10pts]

Company Commander [3 PL, 39pts]: Plasma pistol [5pts], Power maul [4pts]

Company Commander [3 PL, 39pts]: Plasma pistol [5pts], Power maul [4pts]

+ Troops [23 PL, 883pts] +

Conscripts [4 PL, 150pts]: 50x Conscript [150pts]

Conscripts [4 PL, 150pts]: 50x Conscript [150pts]

Conscripts [4 PL, 150pts]: 50x Conscript [150pts]

Conscripts [4 PL, 150pts]: 50x Conscript [150pts]

Conscripts [4 PL, 150pts]: 50x Conscript [150pts]

Militarum Tempestus Scions [3 PL, 133pts]
. Frag & Krak grenades
. 5x Scion [50pts]: 5x Hot-shot Lasgun [5pts]
. Scion w/ Special Weapon [21pts]: Meltagun [12pts]
. Scion w/ Special Weapon [21pts]: Meltagun [12pts]
. Scion w/ Special Weapon [21pts]: Meltagun [12pts]
. Tempestor [20pts]: Plasma pistol [7pts], Power maul [4pts]

+ Elites [6 PL, 135pts] +

Commissar [2 PL, 45pts]: Plasma pistol [5pts], Power fist [10pts]

Commissar [2 PL, 45pts]: Plasma pistol [5pts], Power fist [10pts]

Commissar [2 PL, 45pts]: Plasma pistol [5pts], Power fist [10pts]

+ Fast Attack [6 PL, 120pts] +

Armoured Sentinels [6 PL, 120pts]
. Armoured Sentinel [3 PL, 60pts]: Lascannon [20pts]
. Armoured Sentinel [3 PL, 60pts]: Lascannon [20pts]

+ Heavy Support [18 PL, 357pts] +

Basilisks [6 PL, 119pts]
. Basilisk [6 PL, 119pts]: Heavy Flamer [17pts], Storm Bolter [2pts]

Basilisks [6 PL, 119pts]
. Basilisk [6 PL, 119pts]: Heavy Flamer [17pts], Storm Bolter [2pts]

Basilisks [6 PL, 119pts]
. Basilisk [6 PL, 119pts]: Heavy Flamer [17pts], Storm Bolter [2pts]

+ Flyer [20 PL, 376pts] +

Valkyries [10 PL, 188pts]
. Valkyrie [10 PL, 188pts]: 2x Multiple Rocket Pods [22pts], Lascannon [20pts]
. . 2x Heavy Bolters [16pts]: 2x Heavy bolter [16pts] x2
++ Total: [82 PL, 1994pts] ++
Only one point apart, yet tens of power level difference.
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>>54010941
Nah here in Chiapas we call that chatarra, sorry to hear that man, I hope the gov get rid of those fuckers soon, here we are mostly OK despite the rising poverty but at least things are getting better(read not as fucked)
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>>54011022
><-- Mayor Prick Alert
Hope it's your last post period.
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NEW THREAD WHERE?
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>>54011053
nope
I'll be back tomorrow, and the next day, and next day after that because fuck you you fucking worthless piece of shit
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>>54011085
>too stupid to do math
>calls others worthless
You're a laugh.
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>>54009496
This is one of the dumbest things I have read on here.
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>>54010635
>>54010652
>i'm about to bump you up to second
Looks like they're already doing that on their own lmao
http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/third_world_countries.htm
>commie countries that starve people to death are considered 1 world above countries with shitty infrastructure but still have food and have jobs for people
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>>54011148
>54011148
>>54011168
>>54011168
Shitsters of Basshole (SoB) also known as the Adeptus Shitsenioritas
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>>54011104
and you're a little bitch but whose counting, oh I guess not me cause hur dur I cant do math
also 4chan is great, cause I can call you giant fucking shit stain and then post tomorrow and you'll never know it's me
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>>54011104
>thinks we give a shit
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>>54011198
You're right, you can't do math.
Now it's too late for your little boy, I know it's summer but you need your sleep.
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>>54011198
I have cancer now, thanks
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>>54008723
So either way you're a faggots who can't win a fair fight?
Play dark eldar
you still won't win you lil bitch
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>>54011218
>doesn't give a shit
>replies
Nice "argument".
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>>54011225
I'm a disabled vet, bro
I've got all the time in the world
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>>54011251
Was your disability for anime pedophilia or did you get that after you got some brain damage
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>>54011240
BOOOOOOOOOOOM BITCH
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>>54011251
>disabled
Explains the power level vehemence.
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>>54011104
You are a petty little man slinging snide remarks and insults over the internet. You are very brave when you have anonymity and distance to protect you. Congratulations.
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>>54011256
Wait, if hes that fat how did he get in the building to begin with?
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>>54009584
It's B-Asshole
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>>54010165
This only works if there's no WAAC fags. Because PL can and will be abused very fucking easily.

>All my crisis have 4 fusion
But they're modelled with burst cannons
>Yeah but ti's PL and I can take anything, so....

Let alone actually modelling an army based on PL from the indexes...
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>>54011267
As opposed to the other anonymous man making snide remarks and insults over the internet or you?
Hypocrite.
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>>54010037

Both. My experience is that Citadel flying bases don't last long before breaking from normal use and transport, so I end-up painting them flat black to cover the inevitable foggy CA join where I've field repaired them.
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>>54011255
>>54011257
Disabled as in I have no legs because I was fighting in Afghnistan for little neckbeards like you to get to act big and bad anonymously on 4chan. Now I get to also act big and bad anonymously on 4chan just like you, I guess that makes us equals, except one of us served his country and did something meaningful with his life, but either way I've decided to stay up and shit on this thread til it runs out or daylight hits.
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>>54011294
Why would having no legs make you a pedophile?
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>>54011272
good question, I just like the gif
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>>54011294
No one gives a fuck about you or your sob story, anonymous person online who I have every reason to believe is lying.
We are here to talk about 40k, not blog.
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>>54011285
and I agreed that that is indeed a flaw in the system, but when used properly with people you trust not to be faggots it's a great system, whether anon-mcfuckstick likes it or not
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>>54011286
He can dish it out, but...
>abloobloobloobloo
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>>54011294
No one cares you stupid faggot. Good job losing your legs for fucking nothing.
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Why does no one talk fluff like in the old days?

Why is every thread such a cesspit of bait, waacshit and autistic butthurt?
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>>54011339
Fluff is garbage unless you're orks.
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>>54011339
I'm writing a small bit for my DE Kabal since if i've stopped hobbying with them, i can at least do writefaggotry
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>>54011343
>>54011343
>>54011343

We're circling the drain here.
In more ways than one.
Migrate.
Leave the shitposting here.
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>>54011313
>>54011304
Because everyone knows all cripples are pedophiles, jeez dude catch up, it's 2017
>sarcasm by the way

I could be lying but that would be pretty shitty and I think Karma would literally Slaanesh fuck the soul right out of my eye sockets for that kind of disgrace. Also was in no way a sob story, I've got no regrets and with a loving wife and two beautiful children I have no complaints. Maybe regretting sharing my 1st battle report of my game today using Power levels since it's obviously a major touchy subject.
And I was talking 40k, I feel I have a valid point and have even conceded that others make good points for the point system, then it was all mongoloid this and toddler level iq that and I decided wow, fuck these guys. literally fuck their shitty existence whatever it may be.
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>>54011330
karma is a bitch Mr.Bigshot
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>>54011366
Listen asshole, people sling shit at each other in the military worse than here (or maybe that's just Mexico).
And yet having your ability to count come into question and getting told that power levels are stupid is enough for you to start virtue signaling like this when you're supposeldy seen shit and came back damaged?
I'm not fucking buying it.
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>>54011393
you don't have to buy anything, I don't give a shit. I felt like 1 or 2 anons were being dicks and decided to fuck the night up for everyone, we love mass-punishment in the military, now excuse me I need to go fuck up the new thread.
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>>54009826
Leviathan dreadnought. They're great and Chaos gets one that regenerates wounds in CC.
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>>54011421
>Ok last post for the night
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>>54011440
no one cares

>>54011448
it was and then my anger issues triggered and I decided to ruin the night
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>>54009826
World Eaters Legion Support Cadre is 125lbs and nets you a contemptor, 5 world eater terminators and 5 world eater berzerkers with old style helms.

Long term the Khaybdis assault pod/plane is always great.
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good night to the assholes, I found someone who doesn't make me worry about humanity in the other thread and I can sleep easy now, also my wife is pissed
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>>54010098
>Playing 40k on a board with nice terrain, both with and against nicely painted models
Damn anon I'm jealous
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>>54011479
>>54011421
>>54011448
>>54011678
what is this autism and what have I tuned into just now
Slaaneshfag meltdown pt. 2?
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>>54012844
>but instead let's make a ton of man faced trannies in white wigs
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>>54011448
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>>54009494
But it's already drybrushed anon, with a lighter shade.
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