Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

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>Using Dorkazoid points instead of Based PowerLevels

You dropped your gay card.

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Where to get tyranid fucking Shrikes ??

I taught GW removed every option that isnt available to buy ?

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Why would someone not pick Dual Talons on a Daemon Prince? It's 10 points for 7/8 AP-2 D2 attacks. That's insanely cheaper than any other option.

>>53998310
How do you know how gay cads look ?

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>>53998324
Nope for some reason some guys have rules without models like Rough Riders

Parasite of Mortrex pls nu-GW

>>53998324
But the model officially exists, there's a few more units like that scattered across other books.
I personally use Vargeist wings.

So thoughts on the Thunderfire Cannon in this edition?

I want to get some artillery for my marines, but the 4d3 attacks seem a bit iffy, especially with no blasts.

>>53998324
maybe they will release them in the near future

>>53998407
This once great anti-horde weapon is no longer an auto-include. 4D3 hits just doesn't clear cheap blobs like four blast templates used to. This gun also previously had 3 firing modes, but now only has one. This was once the best artillery outside of Forge World that marines had. Now it is second to the Whirlwind. With all the taxes that a TFC has to take -- paying for the Techmarine, gun, and TFC chassis separately, it manages to cost more than the cheaper Whirlwind variant while having one less Strength. Ignores line of sight. Just remember that if the Techmarine gunners wander too far from the guns, they're considered destroyed.


That is at least what 1d4chan says and i agree with it

>>53998324
I always thought they were forgeworld models/conversion kits

What's the best god to run mono-god daemons with? I've been deciding between Tzeentch and Nurgle as I have no interest in Slaanesh and Khorne I've been told is very squishy but does a ton of damage

>>53998324
Nids will be getting some new models within the next year (or so) anyway, so they will probably get released then

>>53998447
Aye, I was originally considering since my army is essentially all troops and characters with two dreadnoughts on the way.

Getting free models from mates has biased my current options

Want to expand my current selection with a predator or Vindicator, though the d3 attack weapon over guaranteed number of attacks still worry me.

That leaves a position for artillery and though loving the look of the thunderfire cannon and hating the look of the whirlwind, the difference in function is depressing.

>>53998466
yeah but they dissapeared in 2012

>>53998509
Spewin, they are a great unit that i wish got a proper release.

Getting ready for an escalation league with tau.

++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (T'au Empire) [30 PL, 500pts] ++

+ HQ [9 PL, 209pts] +

Cadre Fireblade [3 PL, 62pts]: Markerlight [3pts], 2x MV7 Marker Drone [20pts]

Commander [6 PL, 147pts]: Cyclic ion blaster [18pts], 2x Missile pod [48pts], Stimulant injector [5pts]

+ Troops [9 PL, 120pts] +

Strike Team [3 PL, 40pts]
. Fire Warrior Shas'ui [8pts]: Pulse rifle
. 4x Fire Warrior w/ Pulse Rifle [32pts]

Strike Team [3 PL, 40pts]
. Fire Warrior Shas'ui [8pts]: Pulse rifle
. 4x Fire Warrior w/ Pulse Rifle [32pts]

Strike Team [3 PL, 40pts]
. Fire Warrior Shas'ui [8pts]: Pulse rifle
. 4x Fire Warrior w/ Pulse Rifle [32pts]

+ Elites [6 PL, 103pts] +

XV25 Stealth Battlesuits [6 PL, 103pts]
. 2x Stealth Shas'ui (no upgrade) [60pts]: 2x Burst cannon [20pts]
. Stealth Shas'vre [43pts]: Fusion blaster [21pts], Velocity tracker [2pts]

+ Fast Attack [6 PL, 68pts] +

Pathfinder Team [6 PL, 68pts]
. 3x Pathfinder [24pts]: 3x Markerlight [9pts]
. Pathfinder Shas'ui [8pts]: Markerlight [3pts]
. 3x Pathfinder w/ Ion Rifle [36pts]: 3x Ion rifle [21pts]

++ Total: [30 PL, 500pts] ++

>>53998325
I genuinely think its an error on their part.

Either sword/axe need to be cheaper or talons need to go up. Same sort of issue with Power Scourge vs Helbrute fist. Fist is decent but Scourge has the magic number against so many enemy types and more attacks that the few situations where the fist has an advantage its marginal while the situations where the scourge has advantages its much better.

>>53998325
Because it's blatantly seeing a huge price hike whenever the first wave of rebalance happens for that very reason

til then, talons all day

HAHAHHAHA

Three people at my LGS are trying to sell off their Renegade & Heretics armies

all the tourny fags are angry as fuck

the fluff fags are using IG rules instead of renegade rules

HAHHAHAAHHA FW WHEN

>>53998649
What the fuck, why? they are that bad?

I have a friend who made a renegade army for fun but he played it like twice in 7th, he's in it for the conversions

>>53998290
How are Deffkoptas this edition? I think they seem really overpriced for what they can actually do. 83pts just seems like a lot if you consider how little firepower and how easily they die.

>>53998690
Right now they're kind of a mess. They work fine if you just want to run them as normal imperial guard, but they had a really strong tourney list last edition by loading up on those quad-gun heavy support options they get for cheap

>>53998690
They're just a much worse version of guard right now.

>>53998357
Because you dropped yours.

>>53998704
wow. thats more expensive than a motherfucking carnifex

>>53998649
But R&H is still good!

>Valkyrie with 12 Malefic Lords. (assume FAQ or ERRATA to fix transport rules). 490 points
>Reserve 1510 points for summoning
>Guaranteed to go first, since this is only one drop, and it is tournament legal, since all units in your army are deployed on the battlefield
>First turn, move anywhere on the battlefield, and drop all 12 malefic lords
>Malefic lords can still move, so they can still summon (Probably requires an FAQ, but that's the RAW)
>Summon up to 1500 points (can do this with below average summoning rolls) straight up your opponent's ass.

I don't think any army could handle a first turn deep strike of a 1500 point army in their flank/ass.

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Now after the dust has settled tell me guys - how T'au and DEldar are doing in 8e?

>>53998731
well deffkoptas are a lot tougher now with t5 and 4 wounds and they get their bombs for free.

but for 83pts you can get a lot.

>>53998704
Even though orks as a whole are good now, I'm a little sad the deffkoptas are so expensive. I used to use them as screening and easy objective grabbers because they were so fast and were only 30 pts, but the fact that they come standard with a Bomm now means they are too pricey to use them how I used to. Its a shame, they were one of my favorite units.

>Buy a bunch of chaos
>start painting them
>find a half-painted tyranid warrior I had from 3rd
>regret not getting tyranids
Nostalgia is a bitch

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>>53998690
There is literally no benefits to going raw renegade over IG in this edition.

No special rules, no awesome units, no unique tactics.

Less an worse wargear, worse ogryns, worse characters, worse LD, worse psy powers,

no orders and nothing to replace it, no good chaos marks or chaos devotions, no options.

Nothing in their army supports "hordes", nothing in their army lends themselves to heavy artillery, nothing in their army gives bonuses to elite infantry.

some of their "characters" don't even have the CHARACTER keyword so they get raped by lascannons on T1.

No dataslate in their army is good, it's not even average. It's BAD.

And this is BEFORE powerc creep has been added to the game.

This is BEFORE armies get REAL codexes.

This is after realizing that they will probably NEVER GET A CODEX until the next edition.

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>>53998740
You count as having moved and to summon, you need to have not moved.

>>53998789
Raw Renegade is Chaos, which offers you summoning, and other chaos features.

>>53998795
I heard summoning was shit now tho

>>53998794
No. Summoning says "Instead of moving". The rule for disembarking says the model may still move normally. Ergo, instead of moving normally, a disembarked model can still summon.

It will need to be clarified, but RAW, I'm completely right.

>>53998795
do they have the daemonic ritual special rule ?

also summoning is shot

>>53998740

>put units in a Valkyrie for no reason

1500p in deepstrike is nothing.

Have you been under a rock for the last week ?

Imperial guard, genestealers, tyranids even fucking greyknights.

They all can do it without failing summoning rolls and without your unnecessary idiotic Valkyrie

>>53998814
You don't need the Daemonic Ritual special rule to summon. Daemonic Ritual is the special rule that defines what can be summoned.

>>53998807
Summoning is fixed. It isn't the source of free units it was before, but it is a source of precision deep striking list tailoring units. Since most Daemon armies will struggle against shooting, I think summoning is a key part of any successful daemon strategy (since it gives you a better chance to avoid shooting). Summoning, and Heldrakes.

>>53998809
And disembarking counts as having moved.

You didn't move sure, same with heavy weapons. You still hit with -1 though. And you still can't summon.

>>53998835
No army in the game other than chaos daemons can deep strike 1500 points in a 2000 point list while guaranteeing 1st turn. And you literally can't fail summoning this edition unless you choose to, there are several units with power 2 or 3.

>>53998855
If the unit can move normally, then it can summon. Summoning just replaces the movement in the movement phase with summoning. For instance, if for some crazy reason, you had a Chaos Sister of Battle that used her act of faith to move, she would still be able to summon.

>>53998855
triple doubles of truth

>>53998795
>which offers you summoning, and other chaos features.

"WOW I CAN SUMMON ANGRON IN UR FACE xD"

Even if you count the Chaos ally matrix as another benefit of renegades("Chaos" uses rengades for tanks, not the other way around moron)); It's still weaker than vanilla, single detachement IG without ally support.

Maybe someone may have pictures of hierophant, hierodules, haridan and melanthrope stats?

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>>53998290
What is /40kg/s opinion on the new chinork?
Is it worth the points to deepstrike Nobs?

Also, while we're at it, what's the best loadout for the Big trakk?
And why is moving 14 inches and being able to fire a basilisk cannon equivalent with no penalty so funny?

>>53998886
PDF of IA Xenos is in the mega.

>>53998886
many people have them, and you could have them too, if you but looked.

Rengades is without a doubt, the shittiest downtrotted faction of 8th edition.

The collective dicking that both Orks and CSM took last edition went straight into their renegade asses and now they won't walk straight for another 5 years or so.

>>53998871

Is there a name for you idiots yet ?

The guys that keep talking about wutang, conscripts and smite spam.

Take your shitty babby theory craft memes and leave /tg/ forever.

Yes we get it, you make shitty army lists and never play the game.

>>53998927
At least it's fluffy the most disheveled stranded rabble are dogshit

They can hang out in the cucked-shed with their Genestealer cult brothers

>>53998927
How'd they butcher renegades when DKoK are so good?

Looking to start with the hobby soon, are Tyranids looking good?

>>53998957
Not an argument.

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Let's point out everything wrong with this guys Guard so he learns to get good or quit the hobby. I'll start.

The paint scheme is 210% ass and he should be ashamed of how bad they look.

>>53998991
The whirlwind launcher on the chimera works. Could use some more rivets to fit the guard aesthetic though.

>>53998794

Why on earth would you want to summon?

>>53998991
Too many tanks, not enough conscripts.

>>53998783
For 30pts they were amazing. Even if they died really fast.

Now they are just way too expensive to be objective grabbers.

>>53998982
Very.

>>53998991
>Every model has paint
>Cohesive color scheme
Looks fine for a tabletop army. Won't win any awards but it's better than all the grey legions out there and people with horribly mismatched colors, or only a couple painted models.

>>53998991
Post your army first.

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>>53999030
That blob inbetween the tanks ARE Conscripts.

>>53999030
>implying enough conscripts exist
>>53998991
it is definitly tabletop standard, i rarely manage to play with 100% painted armies

>>53998991
Is that Red Guard Guy? I like his Manticore and im angry I didn't think of that conversation first. I remembering him mentioning stealing a Whirlwind turret off a buddy to run either that or a Deathstrike on one kit.

>>53998731
Akshually carnifexes are bare minimum 89pts after basic wargear

>>53998991
At least its painted...

>>53998761
tau are mid tier, deldar are high tier if not top. I think the three horde armies edge them out.

>>53998991
It'd be nice if he primed, washed, and highlighted, but it's tabletop-tier. That's all I ask for games.

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>>53998889
>Supa-Skorcha
>Heavy4D3
>24" range

Eeeeeehhhhh?

>>53998761

DE are pretty great now, -1 to hit and 5++ everywhere, 4+ poison, Power from Pain everywhere.

Tau are, eh. Most efficient units are commanders and Drones which makes for some really weird lists.

>>53998505
I still think a Thunderfire cannon is worth it if you field one alongside some predators, whirlwinds, and other long-range mostly stationary vehicles. A techmarine is nice to have for the repair, and if you were going to take one anyway the Thunderfire cannon itself is only 58 points, almost half as much as a Whirlwind.

Basically you gotta find a way so that the Techmarine is not a tax.

>>53999113
the three horde armies ?
IG, Orks and who ?

>>53999066
Let's see your army, anon

>>53999146
Imperial Knights

>>53999146
tyranids?

>>53999146
nids

>>53999116
What makes you think they're not primed or washed? That's not a bare plastic slap job by my eyes.

>>53999146
Tzeentch Brimstones Horrors

>>53998324
I swear. Genestealer rending claws look better n Tyranid Warriors than the monstrous ones.

>>53999161
fuck, how could i forget about them ?
>>53999155
Knight spam is a viable tactic now ? a friend of mine plans to play 3 knightblobs with one single knight in each one..... Why does he have to play another spam army ?

>>53999146
>>53999113
Are Orks any good? I feel the urge to have some fun with gluing tons of orkish bits

Why would you EVER take a Chaplain in this edition?

Exocrine or Tyrannofex?
Rest of my list is 60 termagaunts and 2 Tervigons.

>>53998991
Some agrax earth shade, highlighting and weathering would look tons better, but this a pkay for ttq. This scheme is infinitely better then a grey legion scheme too.

>>53999205
>Tyrannofex
Cause cool

>>53999192
Knight Spam is just below horde spam in effectiveness. It will have issues dealing with hordes, but do well against traditional armies.

>>53999205
exocrine, i'd also drop tervigons for more termagaunts

>>53999197
maybe for rerolling failed hits in combat but its pretty mediocre

>>53999205
Tyrannofex. Rupture cannon is love now.

>>53999222
>>53999212
don't be dicks guys

Has anyone tried the Death Guard spray as a primer and base colour?

Duncan says it works so I'm inclined to trust him but wondering what you guys have experienced.

>>53999205
Haha sounds fucking top notch cureently having this debate with my self. I dont have either and have fuck all coin atm but im go I ng to buying one and i cant decide on which

>>53999208
How do you Earthshade tanks? Just wash the entire model with it?

>>53999066
I repeat my points.
Also where the priest and commisar?

>>53999197
Because he allows melee troops to re-roll all misses rather than just 1's, which is usefull because not everybody can/wants to field a Chapter Master (which are only named characters at the moment)
And Spiritual Leader helps a little with Morale, basically +1 Ld for most units.

And a Crozius Arcanum has 2 damage.

>>53999238
>>53999205
For the points, exocrine is the better option

>>53999235
But the rupture cannon with weapons beast is actually fucking breddy gud man

>>53999235
It really is cool though.

>>53999213
Knights will only be able to capture objectives if they kill all but one models in range though.
Winning from Imperial Knights by playing the mission has become super easy this edition.

>>53999240
Use your goddamn eyes. Right in front of the Manticore.

Ok, finally browsed the rules. FUCK I AM PUMPED.

That being said, how is the balance? I really love the eldar rules so far; reasonably sure I understand them and the aspect warriors finally _all_ seem right.

How's the balance? Did orks get the love they deserve? This is the first time in years I've actually wanted to play, but are the other armies good or is this another shitty elf wank edition?

Picture this, crisis suits with 3 burst cannons each. And there's 9 suits.

>>53999239
If you want i guess. But mainly the tracks, crevices, visible machinary components etc

>>53999289
I've actually seen this guys WIP, all his tracks ARE Nuln Oil'd

>>53999257
Cheers dude. I was honestly thinking of tyranofex and was going to magnetise the weapon options. Isn't the point cost almost negligible at 30 something points?

>>53999314
Fair enough my dude. Was hard to tell in the pic

>>53999316
exocrine is basically twice as effective as the T-fex

How many points is Magnus now?

>>53999353
415

>>53999361
Thank you

>>53999346
Noice, just got a bit caught up in the extra weapons options for the tfex i guess

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>>53999336
IIRC it's bastion gray > Boltgun metal > Nuln Oil

He intentionally minimally thinks his Bastion Gray for all his troop armor and armor plates to give it that thick stone look. I hate to admit it but I like it.

>>53999281
Balance? Pretty good minus blob focus
Orks? There's finally a reason to fear the greentide
Elf wank? Nope, they are no longer OP

>>53998324
I just use Garg wings.

Or just say they're psychicly flying.

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>>53999140
Aye, really my army needs heavy support, since my current list is;

- Captain in Gravis Armor
- Captain on bike (A kitbash with a spare bike I had)
- Old metal Captain
- Old metal Librarian
- Sargent Telion
- Old metal Apothicary
- Primaris Lieutenants
- Primaris Ancient
- 4x scout squads
- 3x tac squads, soon going to be pushed to 4
- 2x Intercessors
- Hellblasters
- Interceptors
- Bike squad
- Imperial Space Marine (Was a fun kit bash)
- 2 Dreadnaughts
- Soon getting Sergeant Chronus and either a pred or Vindicator, debating which

So obviously my mostly free army is very troop heavy, so I need to get some heavy support, leading to the current debate.

Despite using Ultramarine rules I am painting them/ wanting to fluff them as Storm Wardens with a slightly modified theme

>>53999235
But the Tyrannofex is legitimately good.

>>53999377
Thicc paint can be acceptible it seems sometimes. Pretty surprised that the models look better up close kek

>>53998839
You cant use Daemonic Ritual if you moved. And disembarking count as moving. So you will be sitting ducks for a turn.

>>53999405
> Interceptors
What are you doing with Grey Knights in there?

>>53999405
use army builder fucktard

>>53999467
Inceptors*
my bad

>>53999480
I was not aware of that website and wanted to avoid Battlescribe, plus List Builder is dead so rip.

So thanks for the pointer.

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>>53999433
RGG here! Having many keks that people keep trying to shit on my army only to find its actually good.

THICC paint represent

>>53998927

Lel

I was waiting for 8th to finally start an army and a Chaos normal dudes with tanks/walkers is what I want to play.

What are my alternatives

Are bikers any good this time around? I was thinking of running 3 man groups with 2 meltas+combi melta on the sarge as my main form of anti-armor, they seem to be decent against infantry with the bikes having assault 2 bolters and a couple chainswords as well. any ravenwing fags wanna help me out here?

>>53999433
Stop lying on the internet. Thick paint is NEVER acceptable!

TWO THIN COATS

>>53999522
Just play CSM with a massive amount of walkers,steal IG tanks through "renegades" and ignore everything else.

>>53999522
DEFILERS
AS MANY AS POSSIBLE
CRAB CLAWS

>>53999205
Tyranofex is better. because you should be aiming at riptide and wraithknight anyway.
tyranid hhave 2000000 options to deal with shit like normal marines

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Battalion detachment - 1585pts

HQ's- 866pts
Lord of Change - 350pts
- Rod of Sorcery
- Treason of Tzeentch
- Bolt of Tzeentch
- Boon of Change

Lord of Change - 350pts
- Rod of Sorcery
- Treason of Tzeentch
- Bolt of Tzeentch
- Boon of Change

Ahriman on disc of Tzeentch - 166 pts
- Infernal Gaze
-Warptime
- Prescience

Elites - 532pts
- Scarab Occult Terminators 266pts
-Heavy Warpflamer
- Hellfyre Missile Rack
- Scarab Occult Terminators 266pts
-Heavy Warpflamer
- Hellfyre Missile Rack

Troops - 187pts
-Brimestone horrors - 20pts
-Brimestone horrors - 20pts
-Rubric Marines - 147pts
- Warpflamer


Super Heavy Auxiliary Detachment - 415pts
- Magnus the Red - 415pts
- Infernal Gaze
- Warptime
- Prescience

2000/2000pts/ 107PL
6 Command points total

Thoughts? Im a little unsure if I should keep the LoCs, they are currently there with the brimstones mainly cause I already have them painted up and ready to go.

>>53999519
That flag looks like vomit

>>53999629
I'd swap one lord of change for The Changeling and use 250 points to get more horrors.

>>53999545
>he only uses 2
thicc paint shitter detected

>>53999375
He's not necessarily true, it depends on what you're shooting at.

>>53998290
I love mecha, but Tau design is shit.

>>53999737
Tau is not japanese in anyway moron

>>53999733
A good mix of things really. Just got back into it after a few years break and will be playing against space wolves and admech mostly andaybe a bit of chaos here and there

>>53999212
>>53999215
>>53999222
>>53999238
>>53999257
>>53999607

Doing 5 trial runs, Exocrine is superior against Toughness 7 or less.
However against Toughness 8, the Tyrannofex's Rupture cannon only pulls ahead through use of Command point re-rolls for the D6 damage and -4 rend
I mean, what else is a Tyranid player supposed to use them on?.

>>53999749
So? Tau bipedal walkers of unimportant origin are still shit.

>>53999749
I think that's his entire problem.

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>>53999704
Lighting does not lend well. Easily my laziest work but looks fine on TT

>>53999724
>changeling can copy a foe's abilities and weapon stats within 1"

finally fixed him, took a few editions. it'd be hilarious to charge calgar and kill him with his own fists

How do we fix the Tau so they no longer offend half the community, and no longer attract the worst type of people to the community (weeaboos).

>>53999773
>I mean, what else is a Tyranid player supposed to use them on?
Rerolling charge distances on your 20 genestealers that your trygon tunneled in

>>53999724

Added two packs of 10 pinks, now the question is whether getting daemonic icons is better or spending the points on two packs of 10 blues that I will use for splitting?

>>53999830

To just get over it

>>53999813
You take him for the 9" -1 to hit aura anyway.

Makes everything you have a lot tankier.

>>53999839
Icons seem really shit in this version of the game, I'd avoid them. For melee units I'd consider instruments though.

>>53999830
Remove them.

>>53998889
>super-skorch
>4 skorchas
BURN BABY BURN

>>53998290
>They announce new primaris Revires and librarians all all deathguard get are a few alt models :^)

WHEN WILL WE SEE THE TERMIES OR MORT GUYS????? Are we even a real fucking army yet?

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New announcement thing?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/06/25/new-primaris-space-marines-and-death-guard-announced/

Reivers.

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>>53999954

Librarian.

>>53999813
Or Girlyman's sword.

>>53999954
Fug, they actually look pretty cool (if a bit "nothing personal...")

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>>53999954
>>53999964
Captain.

>>53999954
>kull helmets
holy fuck, thats nice, very night lords

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>>53999985
>>53999964
>>53999954
Plague Marines.

One has a blight launcher.

>>53999976
Where is Dark Millenium in the mega?

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>>53999994
>>53999985
>>53999964
>>53999954
Pox Walkers.

One worrying thing is that a lot of mention for both the Death Guard and the Primaris is "Easy to Build"

Not sure what it means in practice.

>>53999813
Don't forget he can copy the stats of one model and the weapon of another.

Coming back with my daily dose army
If I was to just fill fast attack slots for a brigade detachment that's mainly a green tide, would you pick deffkoptaz or skorcha buggies?
I'm leaning towards skorchas
deffkoptaz seem over priced and less toughness and less wounds

>>53999954
Chad Marine scouts are going to be stronger then regular manlet marines. A dark imperium indeed

>>54000011
Monopose snapfit.

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>>54000024
Forgot pic

>>54000011

It's a codeword for monopose. Trying to make it sound like a plus.

Reminder that Tyranids can fill their fast attack with Spore Mines. Thats retardedly easy to fill out a Batallion and should not be overlooked.

>>54000011
Snapfit

>>54000011
it means snapfit with colored plastic, it says these start collecting kits will be like this but seeing as the Primaris Captain kit is literally a Commander kit v2 we'll likely see the same old multipart kits soon enough

>>53999994
>one cool one rest look like disney goo villains

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Also a 'getting started book'.

>>54000011
It means they're the same style as the starter box, one of those plague marines even has a backpack from the starter set.

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>>53998789
aww does someone miss the days of blast template rapier laser destroyer bullshit in their bullshit army? I feel so bad for you.

>new GW™ actually being decent
pretty sweet box honestly, likely to see a lot of people splitting them which helps bond a community

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>>54000072
fuck,forgot pic

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>>53999787
>Guard posting
Hell, it's about time.

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>Many of these Getting Started kits will be in the Easy to Build format, meaning they’ll be easy to assemble – they’re made of coloured plastic and you won’t even need glue.

>>54000072
Eh, they're still making some questionable decisions, but it is an improvement.

>no plastic sisters
>no Rules Engine online tabletop
>no army list builder
>real shitty editing in the indexes

>>53998789
>worse psy powers

Whaa. The renegade psyker discipline is probably one of the best in the game.

>>54000100
>sisters
when will this meme die

>>53999954
>grenade launchers wielded by the Deathshroud Terminators

But it's the Grave Wardens who have grenade launchers while Deathshrouds have scythes and hand flamers.

>>54000011
Well, they're all for the board game, so of course. It's just like one of those AoS games with their own snap-fit models independent from the actual starter set.

I just wish they'd get on with it and released proper MkIII plague marine kit compatible with the BoP MkIIIs.

>>54000100
Yeah they need to post another faqs and give FW more than a weeks notice next time, its never too late for new sisters and their free list builder is on its way

Agressors are probably getting announced next week. Wish they showed stats for the new stuff.

>>54000127
In a vacuum maybe it's bottom 3 at best, but in the real world you have to consider which army its in

it doesn't help renegades out at all.

>>53999954
what the actual fuck were geedubs thinking

>>54000134
After every other faction dies off, and all armies become sub-factions of Squats.

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>>54000091
Jesus, thats annoying as fuck

these fucking starter kits are going to make me spend more money again, oh well at least theres a huge death guard community to split the costs with

>>53999773
>I mean, what else is a Tyranid player supposed to use them on?

counter-offensive will fuck up a melee army that tries to charge in on you.

>>54000168
I like neoScouts in theory, I just wish they weren't monopose. Hope they get an actual set.

>>54000184
Why would you buy those kits?

For the captain/librarian?

They don't seem to offer particularly that much. I'd wait for the proper full plastic kits.

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What is the best option for Big Gunz/Mek Gunz now? The Smasha Gun looks great but so does the Kannon Shell and the Zzap gun actually doesnt look like a meme weapon anymore

>>53999188
You could always use Warrior Rending Claws

>>53999964
this guy is giving me Merlin from Excalibur vibes.

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What are the rumors/gossip about increasing scale of wh40k? The Death Guard seem bigger (correct me if I'm wrong), even though they are not primaris. Can we expect all of the armies to get the primaris treatment? I'm kind of worried with my huge nid army.

>>54000173
just these start collecting kits, the actual multipart kits come later. This is to ensure timmys marines can only look so much worse than bobs

>>54000193
No beef with the idea, just the godawful execution. Seriously, these things just look...wrong

>>54000090
Non cadian guard posting is the best

>>53999205
I read that Exocrine is better in 90% of situations compared to the Tyrannofex. Haven't done any math myself however.

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Nearly half the price of Dark Vengeance, but with 2/3rds of the minis.

Fuck thats actually pretty decent.

>>54000193
>Hope they get an actual set.
interviews with the designers, they said they want to move away from multi-part kits, and towards mono-pose

>>54000193

Yes, God forbid we actually have to do some converting on our models!

>>54000200
the captain is a separate release with full customization whereas the new kits are monopose but will still look different from my main collection as I will be doing different poses when the multipart kits come out, it saves me some cash and lets me ride the hype train for a while longer

Returning player, I had built my IG as renegades of the mercenary kind, so I went to look for the Lost&Damned list. Damn. Makes we want to glue the aquilas back on, there's not a single thing that these fuckers do right compared to the regular guard.

>>54000091
You act like this is new. You have any idea how many AoS kits made use of the starter set and related snap-fit kits? That doesn't mean they're not releasing proper multi-part kits, like they did with siegmarines.

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>Finally, Know No Fear is great for players looking to make a comprehensive start, containing full armies for the Death Guard and the Primaris Space Marines. As well as getting a Patrol Detachment’s worth of miniatures for each side, you’ll get rules, your guide to getting started, a gaming mat and card scenery – all for nearly half the price of Dark Imperium. Combined with the Easy to Build kits, you’ll be able to assemble a diverse and powerful force of Death Guard or Primaris Space Marines in no time.

Ha ha fags actually bought multiple Dark Imperium sets with the rulebook included then this cheaper version that drops the rulebook comes out.

>>54000217
ITs the paintjob on the skulls, white is glaring next to that blue

>>54000202
I played against a line of 5 bubble chuckas today and they did massive amounts of damage, especially against my vehicles.

>>54000202
KMK by far.

>>54000152
No, You said it was the worst psyker discipline. That's retarded. Given the choice with any army, I'd take it over any other discipline. It's got an incredibly powerful buff, a decent leadership penalty (better than every leadership penalty but Astropaths), and the best smite alternative.

Renegades have problems, but you have to be honest when addressing them. The psychic phase is far from a problem with renegades.

>>53999964

Spot on if you ask me. This is exactly what I was hoping for when I started to paint the primaris in the starter set. Will be a nice addition, as will >>53999954.

>>54000246
I wish I had enough grotz to run a full Mek Gun line

Can't get my head around the battlefield role of these Reivers

I get they're supposed to be scouty, but how will they function? A knife and a bolt pistol? This isn't what Primaris are missing in their roster

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>>54000090
i need a better camera

>>54000229
>hellblasters, inceptors and intercessors
yep, gonna be gud

>>54000276
It'll be a super bolt pistol no doubt.

I'm guessing Pistol 2 with heavy bolter equivalent.

I'd guess they are 4+ and can infiltrate and do stuff around charge/advancing and may debuff enemy leadership.

>>54000244
That's actually a really good price for the models. Fuck you GW for making me buy reasonably priced models.

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>>54000244
>mfw I knew the cheaper rulebook was coming because my blackshirt told me about it 2 weeks before Primaris Marines were announced
>mfw I didn't tell anyone

The new minis were a surprise, though.

>>54000299
Nope, regular bolt pistol and combat knife, like what the lieutenant has.

>>54000244
>>54000301
I didn't even see the game mat. Fuck, I'm gonna buy this thing

>>54000282
I think Im going to be sick
I formally apologize to
>>53998991
Youre awesome for being consistent

>>54000213
Naa, they dsaid that they want to do more mono-posed stuff. Sucks reqallyt

>>54000305
>>54000244

It has 10 fewer poxwalkers.

2 fewer plague marines.

No bell guy.

No sorcerer.

5 fewer intercessors

2 fewer lieutenants

I'll pick up the Captain and Librarian for sure

What even are Reivers, lanky Primaris?

>>54000206
The real question is where the fuck are our monstrous rending claws for hive tyrants

>>54000305
You're a real cool guy.

>>53999985
Wow, first primaris bionic eye

>>54000305
So that comes with an old style mini-rulebook?

>>54000324
Looks like a cheap paper mat though

>>54000337
Scouts but with knives and pistols.

>>54000276
>Infiltrate, Intimidate, Eviscerate.
Likely have infiltrate or scout, minus 1 to leadership , 2+ attacks each

>>53998490
Nurgle is pretty good in this edition since he gets FnP against mortal wounds. Do what you want tho

>>54000090
Stuck with Vostroyans? Respect to that.

Wait so the new starter sets don't come with the rules?
That makes them rather pointless.

>>54000356
Does it? It looks a bit to thick for paper.

>>54000334
>In July, both the Primaris Space Marines and the Death Guard are getting new units, starting with the Reivers of the Adeptus Astartes. Many of these Getting Started kits will be in the Easy to Build format
Not all of the primaris will be monopose snapfit, its literally just like the AoS starters were mono but multiparts came later

>>54000354
It's a little smaller than the regular rulebook. Like the length and width of the Gathering Storm instruction manuals. Know No Fear should be the one including the rulebook(minus fluff for all the factions, judging by the thickness), not sure what the other book in First Strike is, though.

>>54000366
Core rules by the looks of it.

>>54000090
Now that conscripts are tax-free I was thinking of picking up a metal regiment for Vets. What should I run /tg/? Im the RGG with >>53998991 these guys

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>>54000229
>>54000244
They did this with the AoS set as well.

Repackaged the starter set minus the characters, and double-ups of models ( and the hardback book in this case).

In Australian dollydoos the new AoS repack is about half the price, so I imagine it'll be $100 bucks again for the Dark Millenium-lite repack.

>>54000380
Definitely not foam-mat

>>54000366
comes with battle primer so basic rules but no expansions

>>54000244
>>54000414
Theyre not even hiding it. I cant even

>>53998357
You are a gay cad.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cad
2

I bet you cum in someone's butt and dont even have the decency to give them a reach around. ya big jerk.

>>53999193
Selfbump, tell me more about greenskinz in 8th edition

>>54000406
Probably rules for the models and some scenarios.

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I can't really tell what the new Soul Grinder is used for in this edition now that his Phlegm Bombardment is no longer a large blast. Should I treat him as a melee unit or not field him for now? He's 235 pts as well.

>>54000244
does it have the rules reference card things?

>>54000282
Plz no high res images

>>54000408
I have a precious few steel legionaires and I love them. My most treasured models are my kriegers which I've spent the better part of a decade slowly building up.

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>>54000337
Probably Roboute bringing back a 40k equivalent of 30k Moritats.

>>54000443
why should they ?

>>53998290
Aside the XV25 and XV8 the entire Tau battlesuits designs are shit.

>>54000211
Just Marines are upscaling. Small nids are already the size of dogs and small horses. Don't really need any more upscaling.

>>54000443
Hiding what?

>>54000531
>not liking XV88
Go fuck yourself, poofter.

>>54000408
Either Vossies or Steel Legion.
They still have some minis on the website that could make a functional army.

>>54000542
Warriors need upscaling

>>54000344
About to get FAQ'd away.

>>54000244
So Chaos lost 10 duplicate cultist, 1 Duplicate Plague Marine, Bell dude, Ugly af Nurgle blightcaster dude.

Holy fuck, this set is like...Nothing of value was lost then

>>53998991
its painted and based, why are you so assblasted about this guys army?

>>53999954

Hate that they gave them the skull helms. Shits all over chaplains with their skull helm gimmick. But I guess chaplains might be on their way out anyway.

>>54000211
Shouldnt have anything to fear if they are already huge anon :^)

Are Tiger Shark fighter-bombers good? Not the variant that can't fire its gun.

515 pts BS 2+
Heavy 4 Str 8 AP-4 Dd6
Heavy 2d6 Str 6 AP-2 D2
Assault 4 Str 7 AP-1 Dd3
Assault 8 Str 5 AP0 D1

Can drop the Heavy 4 and replace it with Heavy 16 AP-1 D1 and shave off like 90pts as an alternative.

>>54000566
I'm not sure that you can call that basing. But they're still better than a lot of stuff I've seen on /tg/. Including painted stuff.

>>54000582
They sound a lot like night lords to me. Maybe this is cawl's way of sneaking in traitor geneseed like he wanted.

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>>54000527
>>54000337
>>54000357
Reivers (I'll call the Reavers) are Despoiler squads: that's the 30k configuration for marines with CCW and pistol. Instead of holding terrain and advancing stradily with bolters, they rush the enemy with blade.
Like Tactical Orking

>>54000558
Plz no, that 0 point option is fucking great

>>54000551
Ughhhhhh they do look so good! And I can keep my scheme easy by using the same ruddy red fatigues.

>>54000600
No, they're the scouts. They got lighter armour and are for sneaky stuff.

>>53999830

Part of it is the anti-weebs and you can't placate them. But ignoring them you have the Tau Empire under siege instead of running rickshaw over everyone.

>>54000627
>>54000600
Why not both?

>>54000566
E-Celebs are cancer.
Can you tell me that basing is anything but vomit?

>>54000648
stealth berzerkers ?

>>54000337
Think Striking Scorpions but for Space Marines. Sneaky dudes. But when they appear, they spook.

Agressors are still to be previewed. Gravis Armour with Missiles and Flame Gauntlets

it says the Reivers aren't just for sabotage but for terror.

does that sound like the Roboute Guilliman you guys know?

>>54000648
What if regular primarine kit comes with options for bolter or pistol and CCW?

>>54000654
Wait, who said anything about e-celebs?

>>54000527
Every fucking time I think there's no way Space Marines could get more generically cringy as fuck, but then GW and FW prove me wrong.

>>54000654

I don't know who this dingus is, but someone who has tried to paint their stuff to the best of their ability shouldn't be made fun of for it. Everyone starts painting somewhere and with GW being so expensive its not you can just grab a new bunch of models.

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>>54000627
Despoiler is their job, it's what they do not who they are. And those guys won't have infiltrate, just Scout. Like pre-heresy marines did, who scouted in full power armour.
Just without sniper rifles or bolters, but chainsword and pistol.
You know, also like 30k scouts.
Because Guilliman is returning some pre-heresy legions elements to the codex he's ammending.
But considering they're not into sniper rifles and sneaking, but rather going forwards and disrupting, they're despoilers.
>>54000657
No. Despoilers.

>>54000211

Already hints in the new lore of Roboute Guiliman cosolidating the Imperial Guard into a single regiment type based off the PDF of the planets in the Ultramar system. GW's way of upscaling guard and selling/featuring only one regiment instead of 2 plastics, a dozen metals and 2 resin regiments.

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>Tfw the smaller set have better model and pose than the "Ultimate" 160 dollardoo set.

>>54000657
No one can see if they are dead

>>53999282
Picture this: 50 fire warriors for basically the same cost.

I wonder if primarines will get shotgun dudes, I really hope they get shotgun dudes

>>54000728

Boy, does this guy look awful. I haven't bought the new starter set yet (will soon) but I'm already thinking about getting rid of this guy when I do.

>>54000549
I liked more the old ones.

>>54000733
i would really like it, we dont need more super fancy stuff imo, but shotguns would be cool, preferably with some kind of mobility and light cqc capabilities

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>>54000635
Can you blame the anti-weebs though? Who wants pic related in their hobby?

>tfw only interested in the map and terrain of the new kits

>>54000687
Hes a faggot that posts here all the time alongside that Gray Guard anon who spams shitty batreps of his garish looking models.

When will we get actual fucking new death guard releases anons???

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>>54000756
>preferably with some kind of mobility and light cqc capabilities
Like what?
>>54000733
There will be primarine everything.
There are now scout-framed primarines, you want shotguns, someone will want snipers for some reason just because.
One day there will be primaris bikers and Gravis Centurions, while regular terminators cling to relevance.
Mark my words

>>54000710
Guilliman didn't really have much input on the Primaris marines. He said "Hey Cawl, make me some good shit" then promptly got wrecked yet again to the point of coma.

Then Cawl spent 10k years working on the geneseed and then made them equipment from whatever he thought was cool at the time. Then Guilliman wakes up and Cawl goes "TADAA, look at all the cool shit I did whilst you were sleeping, you're welcome by the wayNow make be Fabricator-General you life-support cunt."

>>54000618
I just checked and every single Steel Legion kit is sold out on GW. I DID manage to snag a single Sgt/Comissar blister from my local though.

Where the hell else could I get some besides paying $40 out the ass for a single squad on ebay?

>>54000728
What are you on about? the new captain is a stand alone box and the smaller starter kit is just repackaged DI without duplicates and characters

>>54000774
That's not e-celeb.

Some idiot posting stuff is just normal

>>53999830
>Tau
>Attracting weabs

Implying they don't already play with Marines, Guards or Eldars, like most asians.

>>54000773
It's just the box turn upside down.

And the mat is paper, and it's folded like a hundred time to fit in the box.....

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>>54000798
>Dude from 30k makes new bigmarines
>Makes them the way they used to be at that time
Colour me surprised.

>>54000732
>50 shots vs 108
So crisis spam?

>>54000791
GW canned them. Primarines weren't as well received as GW planned, so to make sure customers are properly conditioned to want nothing but chad marines all 40k related releases have been cancelled to be replaced with chad related releases.

>>54000793
>There will be primarine everything.

Female marines confirmed.

So I've seen a lot of people talking big about Ghostkeels this edition. How do y'all kit them out these days? I was thinking if I were to run one I'd go full fusion guns and target lock, possibly another system.

>>54000771
Is that really worse than neckbeards, basement dwellers and other kinds of fedora-tipping subhumans on a cheetos diet who are already plaguing the hobby?

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>>54000833
>New product: primaris Sororitas! Str3 T4 3+
>Not femarines, they're totally a different thing guise ;^^^)
GW cares not whence the money flows, only that it does

>>54000848

Fusion shoulders and magnetise the arm.

When running ion arm, take ATS.

Doesn't really need any other support systems unless you maybe want to make it a durable master for a gun drone swarm.

Question.

If a model says in the entry it comes stock with weapons X and Y, do I still need to pay up for those weapon options?

The captain in gravis armour for example, comes armed with a mc-power sword and a boltstorm gauntlet. These items also have a points description in the back of the book, so is he 98 points or 148 points?

>>54000869
Yes, those are just the default options that you have to give them. Most basic infantry weapons are free but if they cost points, you're paying for them.

>>54000869
you need to pay for all the weapons he is equipped with, even for his standard equipment

>>54000869
You still pay for that shit. We get this question a lot here, no worries

>Hey guys new shit!
>oh fuck did we finally get more death guard
>3 snapfit plague marines

I'm going to be painting mortarion in 2035 at this rate.

30k anons.

Was Roboute for, or against Moritats?

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>>54000827
At that range it'd be 100 vs 108, but fuck Tau on foot anyway.
I wonder how the Farsight Enclave rules will be, besides Crisis Troops and Muh Eight.
I love the hot headed one, but if he can't bring W5 Hazard suits that fit his close & fast & personal then fuck that guy

>>54000827
Shit, didn't see nine suits, was thinking three. In that case, 150 fire warriors.

>>54000866
Where are they in this smaller set faggot?
>>54000244

>>54000811
Wait...which one is the idiot? GGA or RGG?

>>54000897
For, because he made that battlefield role after witnessing (and losing repeatedly) to Corax' Ashen Blind.
So he made his own and published his findings in the Principia Belicosa.

>>54000654
>E-celeb
some random anon who posted his army is an e-celeb?? wtf, i recognize red based IG guy and valhalan IG more then the guy you are mad at. are they e-celebs also?

>>54000888
You will get like 18 completely unique plague Marine poses the way it's going though.

>>54000866
lel it misquoted
>>54000906

>>54000725
so, killing off a good portion of the guards aesthetic, and a major selling point of them?

i can TOTALLY see that happening

>>54000917
Yes. It. Is. Literally. Cancer
I WISH theyd get trips to I could block it.

>>53999954
Lmfao Death Guard and Primaris Marines get not one, not two, but THREE starting sets.

Come on now.

>>54000202

I say, put magnets on those pupps! You will spend a bit more time to get them ready for the table, but get a whole lot more bang for your buck!

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Fortifications question - what units are worth placing in a bunker/bastion?

>>54000941
Kill yourself, then you'll never have to see them again

>>54000897
Almost all of them were against moritats.

Moritats are edgy assholes who only have company of radiation weapon wielding destroyers for companions.

>>54000941

What the fuck have you contributed to these threads, hot shot? Perhaps you should consider fucking off instead.

>>54000915
thank you.

So it seems it's not that weird for him to be using terror troops then.

>>54000024
I really don't know about dem skorchas. They can enter the field 9" away, which is totally useless with 8" weapons.

>>54000965
thats not a nice thing to say

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>Easy To Built kit
>Plastic components are coloured rather than grey

Top kek, Primarines are really going to be "Babbies first spesh mahreens"

>>54000954
Im just going to be telling people what they are, I imagine most people wont care as long as they tell them what they are ahead of time

>>54000882
>>54000885
>>54000886

Thanks guys!

>>54000941
i kind of wish you wouldnt post here anymore tbqh, you are worse then cheetah anon or that shitty genestealer breeder person

>>54000979

The way they designed the feet looks like they're wearing shoes. Looking forward to people painting them that way.

>>54000900
It's easier to fit 9 guys within 18" than 50 guys within 15".

>>54001002
>Cheetah anon
At least his content makes me smile : ^ )

>>54000956
Heavy support teams? Guardsmen Infantry teams are meant to cover terrain anyway, not to bunch up in a tower.

>>54001007

I'm going to buy a pack and paint them up as Juggalo marines. They already look that way, they just need the paint job to really accentuate it.

>>54000992
no problem friendo

>>54001037
the imperial fortifications are actually Faction: Unaligned, so anyone can take them. 20 models all shooting out from any point on the model, but only one unit embarked. I was thinking devastators maybe.

>>54000979
I'm gonna put more pouches and grenades on their shoulders, chest etc.

Tacticool/10

>>54000979

They just roll with the AoS theme. New blood spends more money during the first years than a veteran of old spends during a decade. This is old school teaching that still rings true, and GW isn't exactly the first company to know this.

How do they get new guys to start playing? Well, make it cheaper to start, easier to build and quicker to paint, that's how. Not your, nor mine opinion on the matter is going to change this fact, money talks, its just the way it is.

>>54001067
20 embarked, 10 firepoints sorry

>>54001074
Don't bother, they still won't be a quarter as tacticool as Anvil Industry's stuff.