Warhammer 40k general 40kg

>>53996244
Ultrasmurf Edition?

>>53996255
Alpha Legion mutant infiltrator edition.

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Well, try again. A 1000 point list, expanding eventually into Valks and other flyers, and maybe some other Chimera class vehicles as I love the hull; my Taurox are actually going to be modified wheeled Chimeras.

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Starting work on a fandex of all the stuff ork players are missing at the moment. Feedback appreciated, mostly on the formatting, because there's fuck-all content yet.

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>>53996237

The people over at the SomethingAwful forums raised a shit ton of money in donations for Hurricane Katrina, and Paypal froze the account and basically held the money hostage. They then said that they weren't going to refund it and the only option was to funnel it through one of their charity companies so they would get a cut.

Basically Paypal tried to jew a bunch of people out of money that was intended to be used as donations to help people during a natural disaster, they are fucking scumbags and as a result I try not to do business with them.

And that is why I don't buy 40k minis from Ebay.

Anyone with the Perturabo ebook who can upload it?

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This is the reason Battlescribe is so retarded

>>53996310
the fuck.
i guess in can start buying my 2nd hand shit elsewhere to.

>>53996357
You should have had an error message...

>>53996300
You need to define the runty gunz list and to give more options on the looted vehicles.

Mainly though we're missing the same things everyone else is - actual wargear options, sensibly laid out rules, basic options and a handful of units that they don't have specific kits for.

Pictures or pdf forge World tyranids?

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Anyone know where I can find the Dark Imperium novel yet?

>>53996397
theres a copy of the index in the links in OP.

>>53996357
Battlescribe is fine, blame the people who make the roster data. There are more elegant ways to enable that composition already within the system, but the makers tend to go for the easier less complex systems.

You can either sit there like a little bitch, or you could bust open the roster data editor and actually contribute for once..

>>53996418
>It wasnt used once since the new armybuilder.
>Its not retarded

choose one

>>53996401
Literally the second link on google.

>>53996296
I'm running a similar list but with Inquisitor allies. I'm not sure about going all 5 man squads but at 1k points I suppose its alright. A 10 man squad with 4 plasma guns backed up by a command squad with 3HSVG and a medkit seems like a nice 'fuck these guys on the objective and everything near them' group.

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Is it just me or are Hemlocks absolutely insane now?

It just seems too cheap, 211pts for 2d3 S10 -4 D2 autohits on a 12w T6 3+ hard to hit flyer that moves 20-80 inches a turn, and can cast smite or one of the other very useful warlock powers. Oh and 6+ ignore wounds.

>>53996401
http://www.blacklibrary.com/new-titles/featured/dark-imperium-the-last-faithful-son-ebook.html

>>53996436
>He didn't even read the whole post

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>>53996244
Alright so my mates and I were having a debate on the wording for the repair rule for techmarine.

It says in the Techmarine repair rule that a vehicle can only be repaired once a turn, which is a reasonable rule to prevent gank healing.

However Sergeant chronus has the special rule where it says his vehicle "recovers 1 wound".

So we were wondering if Sergeant Chronus abilities counts as the repair or if it can recover the 1 wound and then get a repair from a techmarine.

>>53996441
>he doesen't know that google personalizes his search results
Literally all I get when I search for "Dark Imperium" is WE WUZ KANGS shit

>>53996485
the autohits line seems to be a typo error in the haste to create the codexs. i imagine this was copy/pasted from the other guys that have that attack

expect WAAC fags to be taking them

So how should Deathwing/Ravenwing deal with fliers, tanks, walkers etc?

>>53996503
I would say you can use both the same turn

>>53996503
They stack. Chronus doesn't use the word repair anywhere.

Which historical culture should I base a Blood Angel successor on?

>>53996506
Does that not say quite a bit more about you tho, pal?

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Let's talk Imperial Guard in 8th edition!

What do you like? What do you dislike?

I'd like to start by focusing on the Russ variants and which came out on top and which are trash this time around. My ratings as follow-

>Battle cannons are king again
>Executioner, poor man's Battle Cannon
>Exterminator, costs more than BC and lost re-rolls. the fuck were they thinking?
>Vanquisher, LOL
>Eradicator, pretty okay, may have to test out
>Demolisher, seems decent

>>53996527
With the jet fighter and dark talon

>>53996556
Cockatrices

>>53996571
Punisher is great this edition, wounding vehicles and monsters on 5s and being able to put out 32 shots a turn for 180 points seems good

>>53996571
From what I've read and heard, you always run them as tank commanders and you run 3 variants. Pask on a punisher, battle cannon or demolisher as your go to for others depending on your needs/board/opponent.

>>53996578
wouldn't that be DA

>>53996596
Not in your magical realm.

>>53996357
I'm not seeing the problem

>>53996556
Make them based on Caroleans and they only start firing when they see the whites of the heretics eyes

Alright anons, what are your most and least favorite 8th ed changes?

>armor pen/killing models off is cool
>blasts are trash

>>53996576
Which should I take? They both look more geared to tearing apart infantry than hunting tanks and fliers to me.

>>53996589
>Punisher
Ah yes! knew i forgot one. yeah especially with Pask? pretty fantastic!

>>53996594
>always tank commanders
i like the option but, paying 30pts for 3+ ballistic skill? seems like a needless point sink for subpar weapons in general.

>>53996611
>not in your magical realm
so it wouldn't be DA in mine but it would be in everyone else's

>>53996627
Jet fighter is pretty good now. Otherwise black knights will shred most things to death.

>>53996571
people keep saying the vanquisher sucks.

but whats basically a melta lascannon doesn't seem bad to me, at least on paper. Am i missing something.

>>53996620
>blasts are trash

i have mixed feelings on this. on one hand i was able to get great use out of templates, typically getting higher # of hits than the randomness we have now. So for example where now we have D6 with a blast i would reliably be able to get 4-5. This is an insane difference especially with the Leman Russ Executioner cannon, i loved it last edition. Now? Forget it, the BC imo is in every way better (apart from one whole AP point weaker)

however, i was every a tourney player and always kept matches towards pretty casual. competitive maybe but casual overall. so i can imagine people really seeking every inch of advantage would better space units so... maybe the numbers work out about the same on average?

I'm guessing there anyway, i have no way to support the idea. overall, i feel they should buff blasts just slightly. give more of then 2D3 vs D6 or give more the Neutron Laser's trick of at MIN dealing 3 points out of D6 points of damage.

>>53996485
There has to be at least something good in CW. Its efficient when it can smite but its not like its there aren't comparable anti vehicle platforms. Mortis Contemptor Dread with 4x Lascannons is as good.

>>53996628
Tank commanders are double good with pask because they give the re roll more value

>>53996668
I like that templates are not a thing anymore. But blasts are just anemic right now.

What they should do is spill damage over. Maybe only if they double enemy toughness?

>>53996656
>what am i missing
157pts for a meltagun with 1 less AP than an actual meltagun.

if you really want to melta something at long range there's far, far better options that aren't terribly over-bloated in their price.

Believe me, as someone that is in love with Vanquishers they have always been terrible.
>RIP forever "tank killer" russ

>>53996635
Fine.
Alternative optuions for Blood Angels:
Alp, Katakan, Mula, Bruxa, Nosferat, Ekimma, Fleder, Garkain, Plumard.

Stolen from the Witcher

>>53996668
I wonder how different it would be if blast weapons rolled once for a hit and if you scored the hit, then it'd cause like D6 hits on the target. A bit like how blasts were, where you rolled to hit and then you placed the marker down (only ordnance scattered in the old days).

>>53996656
Annihilator has 2 lascannons on the turret instead of a vanquisher cannon.

>>53996589
Shooting vehicles with machine guns is terrible. 32 shots turns into 2 wounds on t7 sv3+.

>>53996668
I agree with the anon in the last thread that blasts have been overnerfed. It wouldn't be so bad if other weapons averaged fewer hits, but when guns have kept the ability to fire 6/10/20/40 shots every time it feels a bit off that blasts average so few hits.

>>53996571
Bullgryns are amazing. Pask with a couple of tank commander Russes seems to be the way to go for Russes. Infantry squads were made to go 90mph to grab objectives with move move move.

Also I've been adding ministorum units to my Guard and they are great too. Crusaders, arcos and death cult assassins destroy things.

>>53996467
They're not five man squads, they're full 10 men squads. 5 normal, 4 volley, 1 sarge.

>>53996684
sure, but that still doesn't make up for the cannons overall being overpriced. all you're doing at that point is polishing a turd. Battlecannons and Punishers are good with or without pask. the rest are garbage being made slightly better with pask/commanders

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First time painting a Tau unit.
How does it fare?
Still a newbie, but please do bash me for whatever reason if thy wish to.

>>53996721
Oh. I completely read that wrong then. Shit looks pretty good.

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>>53996710
i'd like to see "blasts" improved by maybe 1/3 of the power they are now. seeing D6 for the number of hits an expensive gun can make is painful

>>53996719
>bullgryns
loadouts and tactics? i have 9 with 6 yet to assemble. always loved the models!

>>53996735
I paint tau too.

The paint thickness is still a bit too much, you need to thin down your paints more.

You also need to remove mold lines before assembling and priming!

The biggest mistake here is the highlight. The color is too different from the rest of the mini, try to watch some youtube tutorial like this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNSEllj2wSg (both part 1 and 2). He gives a few suggestions.

Good luck! Don't get discouraged and NEVER strip this mini. Keep it as a reminder of your errors/how much you've improved.

Anyone got a copy of the rules for the ork kill tank? I saw an anon post it in the last thread but failed to save them

>>53996707
It's not like they are shredding tanks but that's still respectable damag. When you think about that versatility of being able to shoot infantry and tanks/monsters from a beefy and mobile platform I think they are super worth the points

>>53996723
Triple Plasma cannon with reroll 1 looks quite viable to me.

>>53996763
>seeing D6 for the number of hits an expensive gun can make is painful

Not to forget that you still need to roll to hit on those D6 shots. A stationary Russ is gonna get, on average, 1.75 hits in.

>>53996764
I saw the vid already, altho I had nothing similar to ungor flesh at hand, but I'll use it once I get it on monday.
I wasnt going to strip the mini. Id love to be able to see the progress by comparing an old mini to a recent one.

Thanks for the reply!

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>>53996310
Not him but thanks for sharing. I had no idea. Wont use paypal in the future that's for sure.

>>53996382
Yeah, I know the content needs doing. What I need to know is; does the PDF work right? Are you getting any weird layout issues or fonts not looking like they should?

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>>53996735
the good
>you painted it
>decent color scheme
>you put in the time for detailing

the bad
>the paint is T H I C C
>the highlighting is T H I C C

overall 6/10 imo, above average. especially for a line unit that won't get much attention when playing. If you're looking to improve we could chat elsewhere.... or maybe i'll make an intro meme mspaint pic sometime. but here are some general tips in the meantime

>Krylon matt black spraypaint for priming works fantastic for 99% of all models. get some, play with it. use it
>THIN your pants to a milk-like consistency. test on a surface, if you see lines or texture after drying thin it more
>pick up Washes, Black is general purpose and can be slapped onto 90% of all models/surfaces. only apply it to cracks/corners on larger models/vehicles
>for better highlighting, be sure to brace the hand holding the model and exhale/hold your breathe while you hit the edges

basic tips that'll take you along way.

>>53996809
Did you do the model in the pic? How to do such awesome lenses?

>>53996782
>trip plas
slap those sponsons onto a more cost efficient turret then. the Executioner has been nerfed to shit

>>53996788
>still gotta hit
i wanna say if all "blasts" simply received "auto-hit" it'd make up the difference but that'll never happen.

>>53996296
Scion troops are two specials per 5.

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>>53996684
But you need the re-roll less.

50% chance to hit, re-roll brings you up to 75%, 25 percentage point increase.

67% chance to hit, re-roll brings you up to 89%, 22 percentage point increase.

It's better used on a basic tank.

>>53996620
I love now that everyone have hit and run.

Dont like that instead of the realistic tank combat where tanks explode from one good shot in the weak point from HEAT round, its now videogame "tank have HP you have to whittle down"

Love that several units can share transport.

Hate that cover saves are now just armor, ap is fucking substract every time someone shoots at you instead of simpy dont get a save, mortal wounds bullshit that ignore invulns, invulns are crap.

Where's the FW indices? I cant find it in the first mega link. Removed or am i blind?

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First time painting a model in ~7 years. Starting back up aboard the 8th train.

Appropriate given OP image. Rate him based paint anons?

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>>53996825
hah, i did thanks! firs time doing them that way and it was surprisingly easy. there's 2 ways of doing it, one is easier than the other.

steps
>base color
>Drybrush black in a circle towards the top (hard) or splash some in there with an airbrush (easy)
>make a thin crescent shape with a brighter shade of the base color on the bottom
>make a smaller crescent offset to one side on the top with white
>apply a clear gloss to finish

could probably add one more step as well by applying a black wash to the edge of it for a nice fade but this didn't really need it. further notes- until you have an Airbrush practice a lot learning to Drybrush, it'll take you very far. protip: for best results with drybrushing you actually dont want to think the color you'll be drybrushing with.

>>53996863
7-.5/10

looks pretty clean, would play against. two comments would be 1: looks like it could use a wash if not applied already 2: could use stronger high-lighting imo

>>53996614
>No difference between

>[Scion w/Hot shot blaster x5]
And the A3 Clusterfuck that is Battlescribe

>>53996839
>>53996839
I don't have my book in front of me but isn't it only re roll 1s so the doesn't effect the amount of re rolls but does effect how many of those will be hits

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>>53996244
gonna be rebuilding my flesh tearers, any fun ideas for the army?

>>53996860
You are blind.

>>53996867
I don't have an airbrush...is it possible to apply a clear gloss with a brush?? Looks awesome.

>>53996556
America.

>>53996571
If you have one of the many ways you can reroll ones to hit then the executioner is better than the cannon, the eradicator is pretty cack, -2S isn't worth one more AP on units in cover. In general all the variants pale in comparison to artillery.

>>53996589
How do you get 32 shots, it's 29 with hull+sponsons. Are you counting a heavy stubber?

>>53996884
>Tear your own flesh and tan it.
>Use said flesh as capes for your models
>Profit

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I opted for a targeted wash in the recesses because I didn't want to dull the blue -- I think of Smurfs as being a "brighter" Chapter, if that makes sense.

And yeah, I notice my highlights are really tentative at this early stage. I'm slowly regaining what I used to do.

Second image: first guy and another.

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Reminder that no matter how much loyallets strive, the sons of Magnus will always be naturally superior.

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>>53996890
absolutely! i dont have any GW brand clear gloss paint but i'm sure they have one, if not i'm sure you can find one in a local hobby art store.

the black gradient will be the more difficult part but for smaller lenses (which is the majority of models) a flat black area towards the top will suffice just dandy. try experimenting on some throw-away material. thinner paints take multiple coats to be opaque and you can do a stepped gradient due to that by applying subsequent coats of a color in a smaller area of the original application.

that's an alternative to learning how to Drybrush of course which, i highly recommend looking into. carried me for years with great results and has a wide range of applications

>pic related, gradient was drybrushed

>>53996910
>I'm weaing a top-hat so I'm not a manlet
topkek heretic

Rofl what the fuck tg flipped my image

>>53996910
>the 40k equivalent of wearing stilts to make yourself taller

>>53996912
Nice stuff. I never learned drybrushing because i paint tau, and on flat surfaces I always thought it would look like shit. I'm gonna try and follow your suggestions though! Thanks!

>>53996914
I thought its a new meme, with all morons posting lopsided pictures.

getting my old orks into shape, just built 30 of the metal/plastic stormboys. Good lord that was a bad idea but the figs at least look cool.

I got dookied on by tau yesterday. I ran:
60 boys, warboss, KFF big mek, 3 zzap guns, 3 lobbas, 1 dred, 4 kans, 4 meganobs in a trukk

he had:
aegis defense line, broadside, 2 commanders, 3 burst cannon suits that dropped in, gunrig tidewall, 30 firewarriors, shadowsun, etherial, fireblade

I think like 7 orks made it to his line. Any thoughts?

>>53996763
6 walking with slab and maul or 4 in a chimera or valkyrie with maul and slab or brute. Priests help a lot.

>>53996934
Get da ride the ol' boyz?

>>53996934
You had 2 boyz per firewarrior.

>>53996893
>better than the BC

BC has a potential to deal a total of 18 wounds
Ex has the potential to deal a total of 6/12 if you risk killing yourself.

eh....

>>53996834
Which is what he's taken, isn't it?

>>53996934
As a tau player: we have a lot of stuff to stop footslogging hordes, not so many for deepstriking ones and VEHICLES. You need them to annoy the shit out of a tau player, and you need to get the fuck away from fusion blaster units, ghostkeels, stealth suits and crisis teams. I'm not an expert on orks, but do you have anything that could focus fire on certain units? Pick out their characters and the markerlight sources, while using bigger stuff against the big suits like riptides and keels.

Read the gunrig rules and find a way to block that motherfucker.

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>>53996934
>I think like 7 orks made it to his line. Any thoughts?

I know you are american because you play on shitty empty board with no depth after deployment.

Put at least 3 building per 24"x24" next time.
And no filler terrain in the middle and behind each deploykent zone dont avtually count.

>>53996834
>>53996960
Yes, it is. Honestly, people post about it being hard to read but it reads fine to me?

>>53996934
Can't be bothered to work it out, but I'm slightly surprised those lists are the same points value. It feels like the tau player has more stuff than the orks, which should just not happen.

>>53996827
If you rolled to hit on the shot, and on a hit you caused D6 hits on the target or something, maybe. But just outright auto-hit with no rolling to hit is way too imbalanced.

>>53996922
good luck!

>>53996934
you easily lacked 60 boys.

And dont play on an open field next time

>>53996937
>slab and maul

wait, isn't the load out slab/grenade or bruteshield/maul ?

might try the valkyrie idea but yeah no way to squeeze a priest into the hold is there?

>>53996984
>imbalanced
probably. maybe if they across the board bumped the Damage by +1? shrug

>>53996984
Really should just use a fixed number of shots.

>>53996357
Are people sersiously too fucking stupid to pull out a pen and paper now? Jesus christ

>>53996953
def an option, transports seem pricey and my one trukk did get blown the fuck out. Maybe two or more would force him to split fire enough for something to get there.

>>53996955
I get it, but spamming boys seems like a boring list to play

>>53996968
think some kommandos would have helped?

>>53996971
I had a force field which helped but terrain really only gives you the bonus if your whole squad of 30 boys is in it

>>53996901
Yes

>>53997009
Yeah, they may have helped.

The main thing with Tau (at least I'm doing this) is that to be efficient we have to focus fire on a few things at a time, giving priorities to some units and ignoring others: this is true for markerlights and firepower.

I would try to distract the enemy with stuff that can soak a lot of hits, and running 3 trukks in order to get there ASAP. Also I've seen ork bikes in a few batreps and they seem annoying.

Remember also that drones in this edition are free ablative wounds for tau: if you have to hit a big guy (hard to hit, hard to wound) destroy the drones around him first, THEN hit him. If you don't do this, the hard earned wounds will get allocated on 4++ drones at 3" or less from the model.

>>53996688
Tank killer russ is now Stygies Tank Destroyer. D3 heavy laser destroyer array shots, rolling 2 dice for d6 dmg discarding the lowest vs vehicles at 60". Add Trojan for rerolling hits.

>>53996594
>>53996628
>>53996684

You want the tank commander for more than the 3+ BS at full health. You also want it for the 4+ BS at half health and the 5+ BS on quarter health.

Do you expect your tanks to all be firing at full capacity after turn 2? Then you must be painfully optimistic. Being able to hit the broad side of a barn after the first couple lascannon hits is vital to maintaining the threat credibility of your tanks, and you need that so your enemy targets your big tough heavy tanks and not the soft, malleable hellhounds, chimeras, Earthshakers and infantry.

I really wish GW would clarify the "Can't order themselves" thing. I mean, if that's really what they intended I want to hear them say "A Tank Commander cannot order his own tank" as dumb as that sounds.

And then there's the wording on Pask's page: "Note Pask can give orders to *other* characters". Well can he not give orders to himself? Because the rules for Pask imply he CAN give orders to himself.

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>>53996244
renegades will be fixed
they will be fixed
the mistakes will be rectified and we can go back to playing as normal
hold me

>>53997002
You can mix and match their equipment this edition. Riot cop bullgryns now exist.

>>53996688
styges vanquisher doesnt seems bad.

or fuck, even the Death korps one who rerolls to hit because of the heavy stubber.

Add the fact that now melta affects both veichles and monsters

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Just finished painting my first unit of Plaguebearers, can we post hobby progress on here?

>>53997047
theres nothing about rolling two dice for damage on that, and why would you think 170 points for 2 lascannons at bs4 is good.

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>>53997125
Other than it's upside down?! WTF phone posting?!

>>53997047
too bad most people tend to refrain from playing vs FW. especially in light of their sloppy 8th edition books they've now published.

if i want a tank killer i'll go with an Onager i guess, but for style i always preferred the Vanquisher

>>53996971
>le american boogeyman man
irrelevant countries seething since 1945

>>53997009
Not him but in my flgs my orc are only in. open field when at 20".
Its not having buildong to give you a covee save its havong buildong that makes you untargetable

>>53997143
found the poorfag that play on open field.

>>53997057
Normal commanders are clear because they are characters. Only pask is vague.

>>53997062
>OH FUUUUUUUUUUCCCCKKKKK

this is incredibly awesome

>>53997114
>co-axel stubbber

still over priced and then works only at 36" range. but yeah the styges does seem great. the way a Vanquisher should fucking work imo

>>53996913
>>53996918
Rubrics aren't wearing armour. They are the armour. The headdress is part of their body, so they are tallest Marines.

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Time to crack open my Killa Kans boxes that seem like they no longer suck.

What's a solid loadout for them? I don't want to mess with magnetizing their little ball joints, so whatever I pick will likely be permanent.

>>53997152
Not that other guy family, I just like to argue

>>53997135
'Tank Hunter' rule in the abilities. And I'm biased because I love the model.

>>53997163
Rockets if you don't have mek guns to kill their vehicles. If you do then still rockets.

>>53997136
Wtf it flipped it wrong way round again, showing their backs now

>>53997163
I've always loved grotzookas but with them being heavy, I don't think they are very good now.

big shootas are cheap and cheerful but rokkits are hitting on 5s even if you advance

>>53996620
I like armour pen, and pistols for melee.

I severely dislike vehicles fighting in melee and having wounds, and randomly exploding. We also need more psychic powers.

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>>53996984
>1 roll to hit resulting in D6 hits per success
>D6 rolls to hit resulting in 1 hit per success
>implying there's a statistical difference
Why do you even attempt to talk about balance? Are you Robin Cruddace by any chance?

What's the point of GW equipping a 2 attack model with two melee weapons, one of which costs 20 points and 1 costs 3.

One is power fist which is high D, high Str and high AP while a plague sword is just 'reroll wounds'

Are there any math circumstances where fist isn't best?

>>53997183
Kek different photo. Would be awesome if it did that tho. I've tried rotating the first and resaving it (worked on the second) and deleting any metadata I could find. Looks fine in my gallery soon as I upload it to here it's upside down.

>>53997203
Looks good though, you plan on running a daemons list or pair them up with some Death Guard

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>OKAY, EVERYONE HOLD THE FUCK UP

can someone tell me the point of pistols in this edition?

>>53997222
Shooting into combat?

With how poorly this edition is written, I gotta doublecheck. A vanguard veteran with a pair of lightning claws cannot take a pistol, right? I'm certain they can't, but with a pair being its own point value I could almost see a case for it.

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Anyone got feedback on my space furries list? Having trouble deciding loadouts for wolf guard terminators in particular (just left it as default for now).

>>53997179
This is a very orky argument, you convinced me

>>53996934
Da Jump

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How is this? My first character painted. Might add some more details if im feeling autistic

>>53997198
a bunch of enemies with t2 and 1w?

>>53996867
I want your Mechanicum stuff...

I have a thallax cohort. Gonna pick up a Thanatar calix siege automata, maybe some more Thallax, and some Tech Thralls.

>>53997058
Renegades are no longer ridiculously overpowered and unfun to play against, oh no.

>>53997239
lol fucking space furry faggot

Anny one can send here Pictures of rules for Hierophant, haraidan, BARBED HIERODULE, SCYTHED HIERODULE and malanthrope? Please

>>53997197
I take it you didn't even read what the post I was replying to wrote.

>>53997247
Just realised this wasnt the finished pic and never took one, bleh

>>53997198
Plague sword is better on t3 sv6 if such a thing exist.

>>53997212
Daemons I think, got some zombies I want to use as poxwalkers though and I'll probably ally them all with my Word Bearers... when I build/paint them.

It's not exactly Eavy Metal standard but I've been improving my painting a lot over the last few years and I've been dead pleased with the results.

>>53997163
Grotzooka sucks compared to big shoota, KMB sucks compared to rokkit launcha. If you have plenty of aggressive units like slugga boyz blobs or units in transports, use them with rokkits chilling in midfield prepared to tarpit/punch any weaker units trying to take ground or deep strike behind you. Otherwise you can use them with skorchas and rush up close to cause some damage before they explode. They're not the shootiest or the fightiest or the toughest but they're decent in all three categories so they should neither be considered backfield campers nor the brunt of the charge, but rather used to fill in the gaps.

>>53997222
Not much, I find special pistols to not be worth the points over a stronger melee weapon when the option exist.

>>53997272
>previous poster suggests auto-hits on blasts
>no, auto-hits would be too imbalanced
>here's my suggested change which is statistically identical to the current system
I did read it and it doesn't change the fact that you're mentally challenged.

>>53996934
What this Anon said.
>>53997246
Shoot for a Supreme Command Detachment if you can for 3 Weirdboyz, a LoW slot, and a CP.

Ork Jetz are pretty good as well. Wazbom Blastajet is damn good.

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Patrool detachment
HQ
>Daemon prince with 2 malefic talons
Troops
>Renegade heavy weapon squad: 6 mortars
>Renegade heavy weapon squad: 6 mortars
>Renegade militia squad: 1 lascannon; 10 lasguns
>Renegade militia squad: 1 lascannon; 10 lasguns
Heavy support
>Hellforged leviathan drednought: butcher cannon array; hellforged siege claw; meltagun; 2 hellflamers
Flyers
>Helldrake: baleflamer; helldrake claws

Super heavy auxillary detachment
Lord of war
>Renegade baneblade; storm bolter; 4sponsons with twin heavy bolters
Total: 1495pts

R8 me

>>53997233
Yeah thats a weird rule. For instance Wolf Guard have a boltgun and a pistol. They can replace their boltgun with a special weapon, say a stormbolter. They can then take another melee weapon to then have one in each hand. They can then replace their pistol with another melee weapon or stormshield. Raw you can have a Thunder hammer, a Storm bolter and Storm shield on one dude, or two claws and a gun.

>>53996668

How ex-blast weapons should have been reworked:

Small blast: 1 autohit + 1 attack (not autohit) every 10 models in the target unit (max 3)
Large blast: 1 autohit + 1 attack (not autohit) every 5 models in the target unit (max 6)
Apo blast: 1 autohit + 1 attack (not autohit) every 2 models in the target unit (max 12)

Anyone else hate it when people are super duper serious when playing a game?
>play against taunigger
>he kills some of my units on turn 1
>i laugh it off

>come turn 4
>i wipe out his warlord and he fucks up the distance of an objective
>he shoots me an angry ass look when i smirk

Like seriously dude chill it's a fuckin game

>>53997331
>lets make all blasts weapons auto-hit, thus making BS, movement, etc. utterly pointless
>balance!

Gee wiz, boy genius...

>>53997270

Does the Fire Raptor have a minimum move?

>>53997349
I think you're a little over-invested on heavies for 1500pts. The drake will get focussed to death and I can see the militia being swept out from under the baneblade and leviathan. If this was 2000pts with some renegade tanks and more infantry it'd be great.

>>53997386
It does.

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>>53997162

When was the last time your opponent cheated (or tried to)? Did you catch him in time?

>>53997355
that's some crazy shit

>>53997162
Then they probably shouldn't have an armour save, because you're not damaging armour, you're damaging their bodies.

>>53997162
>saw off primaris marine's head
>he dies

>saw off rubric marine's headdress
>nothing happens

>>53997378
I never claimed that blasts should auto-hit you giga-retard, I was just mocking your complete lack of understanding of probability and statistics.

>>53997163
Big Shoota, Rokkits or KMB. Since they don't give you enough bits to have all of one of them, take those three.

>>53997371
>large blast doing max of 3 hits vs 10 man squad

i dunno what games you all played prior to 8th but i could reliably hit more than 3.

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>>53997403
I thougt drake will
>fly, burn something and bite
>RAWR
>repeat
And my friend wont play 2k anymore cause last time iIt took 7 hours

So, keeping in mind im a new player and may be missing something here.

Am building an ork list for the first time, and I've come across Burna Boyz.
Why take them over regular boyz? They seem a bit better on the assault, because they can move, shoot and then assault for some good damage. I assume they would eliminate any similar point cost blob type units (IG troops, hormagaunts, etc)

But the 5 movement, 6+ armour save and 1W just makes them seem way too fragile.
Am I missing something here, or is this just a unit so niche that it borders on being not worth taking?

>>53997427

>Rubric is still taller and still alive

Tzeentch wins again.

>>53997377
Yes. I play a guy frequently who starts to cuss like crazy whenever he has to pull a model. Even when it's just cultists.

Seriously, chill the fuck out man.

>>53997405
Ty

They already have a scaling mechanic for blast in place that scales shots with squad size to fix the "problem" they just didn't put it on everything. Leviathan dread has it and its broken since it just wipes anything in the game in one turn with 4 shots +4 extra shots per 5 guys on a heavy weapon.

>>53997355
Are you reading it correctly? I thought a similar thing with Chaos Champions to take their classic Boltgun+pistol+CCW but it specifically says he can exchange his two weapons for champion equipment. It opens up interesting options like two combi-weapons but he can't ever have more than two pieces of equipment. He might be able to take four lightning claws though...

>>53997371
Not needing to roll to hit for a demolisher is really strong

>>53997439
The point is that the headdress isn't a vital part of the rubric marine's armor and therefore isn't part of their body.

>>53997162
Rubrics are actually the dust that gathers in the boots of the armour, so actually they are the most manlet of all Marines.

>>53997437
Yes and no. You're right that burna boyz aren't really worth taking, but the actually it's kommandos who are just a more useful version of them.

>>53997427
>>53997162
>>saw off rubric marine's headdress
>>nothing happens

Sneeze from all the dust that falls out.

>>53997437

Since they are an expensive unit with lowish max model count (for orks standards) you run them in a trukk, so they can disembark, roast their target and charge the survivors without having to footslog around the battlefield.

>>53997429
Yes, but the anon I was replying to said blasts should have auto-hit and I questioned its balance. I never said "1 roll to hit followed by D6 hits" was better than the current system, it was just an alternative thrown out there as an idea.

I'm sorry you're getting mad for me not playing into your hand.

>>53996912
Anon I'm going to need to see more of that sunbro knight

>>53997458

It was pretty hard to completely miss a tank with blasts

>>53997437

Burnas are actually usable now - their old rules made them utterly useless.

>>53997447

>Forgeworld

Those guys haven't read a 40k rulebook since 3rd edition (and they only skimmed over that I should add).

>>53997459

Tzeentch wins again!

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>>53997472

>>53997471
If you still consider your "alternative" to be an improvement despite being mathematically incorrect, you should consider killing yourself.

>>53997430
I have two kits and some extra bits from eBay so I could probably kitbash up 4 or 5 rokkits total

Is it still a bad idea to mix weapons? i.e. in my squad of 6, 4 rokkits and 2 big shoots

>>53997491
>"I'm walking on sunshine"

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>>53997416
Quite a while ago. Admech vs. Guard, 1500. He had a Baneblade, Knight Crusader, Hellrain Brigade geared to the nines, Vanquisher Russ, HWS, CCS, Sentinel, Chimera w/vets,. Engineseer, couple other bits. After catching him on a couple things during the game (No, Lascannon on Baneblades are not Heavy 2) I did a batrep here, and somebody pointed out he seemed to have a lot of stuff. Added it all up, he had 2200ish points. Still won, as well. Maximum smug mode for the next hour.

>>53997491
That's impressive. kudos.

>>53997491
Glory be
How'd you do the crest on the tilting shield? It's a beauty

>>53997499
>never claim it's "better"
>outright say I'm not claiming it's "better"
>"herp derp, it's not better, u suck"

It's ok, anon, I forgive you.

>>53996310
Whatever. This one completely unverified account means nothing to me. More cheap shit for me

>>53997512
das cancer

>>53996908
Fucking Australians.

>>53997503
Mixing weapons is a lot less awful than it used to be, but you still want your units to move towards specific targets and advance when they're outside specific ranges.

hey /tg/

how does LoS blocking work now?

e.g does a conscript screen block los to the units behind it? or can any unit be shot through as long as you can model eye see the unit?

cant seem to find clarification in the rulebook

>>53997512
Do you not swap printed or digital lists before playing a game?

>>53997512
what a bastard with no honor. you showed him well, anon.

>>53997437
They're halfway between 12 boyz and 12 nobz with power stabbas at killing marines in cost/effectiveness in the things that can assault out of a truck department.

>>53997538
if you can't see shit you can't shoot at shit

>>53997512
How you could win this armor-stomp?

>>53997416
Admech guy. Made all the Skitarii duders T4, the Knight armor 1 point higher on each facing and the FnP saves they got 5+. I had never seen them before as I was a returning player.

Still a very close match, but it would have been my victory. Multiple units and the knight survived a lot more damage thanks to the cheated stats.

>>53997512
Who the fuck willingly plays with that amount of terrain and placement?

>>53997512
>that terrain setup
Disgusting.

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>>53997520
time, patience and being an okay artist.

>pic related
another knight when it was still a WIP

>>53997514
thanks!

>>53997491
Grossly Incandescent

>>53997522
If you knew that it wasn't better, why did you even bother posting it? Are you incapable of understanding what your suggestion even does?

>>53996357
Idk, people I play with check their error messages and aren't going to try to be idiots about that. I've never had an issue with following army building rules.

>>53997552
This kind of stuff is why im glad we got Indexes before Codexes, and yet you would look like an asshole if you want to double check enemy stats.

what are the things you have been forgetting when playing a game of 8th?

me: psychic phase, command point re-rolls, other stratagems completely, that cover isn't simply a 4+ everywhere, vehicles get stuck in combat, reserves (since they are not rolled for at the BEGINNING of the turn)

>>53997377
I fail a 10 inch charge, he tells me that I shouldn't expect to make something that improbable. He fails a 9 inch charge out of deep strike, starts yelling about how his luck is shit and his whole battle plan is gone now.

>>53997437
They work as something to put in trukks, since they can shoot and auto-hit after advancing (useful for attacking things which have penalties to hit, a serious problem for orks otherwise) and pack more killing power (against typical infantry) per transport slot than most alternatives. Arguably though, nobs with kombi skorchas are better, being able to dish out more than twice the damage at range and being better in close combat while still only needing one transport slot each.

>>53997143
A hearty kek to you m'lady!

>>53997538
anyone got a helpful answer to this? keep seeing arguments saying you cant shoot through enemy units and some saying you can if you model can see any part of the enemy model

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>>53997459

Manlet primaris making excuses...

>>53997601
That my marines hit on a 3+ now in CC (so used to needing a 4+) and morale tests only needing 1 dice instead of 2 now

>>53997621
It's true line of sight only, you can shoot through units.

You can only shoot enemy characters if they're the closest unit you can see.

>>53997058
What is not fixed about renegades?

>>53997456
For that particular case its three separate entries. I've seen a lot of "can replace with items", Which is vague. A Sternguard Veteran Sergeant can replace his gun and pistol with items implying any two, or replace just his pistol with an item which would allow him to take 2 boltguns.

>>53997512

>Nova open players detected

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>>53997621
>>53997648

How about you read the fucking manual?

You can shoot freely only trough the shooting unit. If an enemy unit us THICC enough to fully block LOS to something behind, no dice.

>>53997562
You give me inspiration. One day I will freehand half as well as you. Thanks

>>53997461
Is there a little baggy for his dust inside each Rubric or does it just slosh around? What if its raining and he gets wet inside?

>>53997553
This. That board is total shit. Why not just do away with terrain entirely at that point

>>53997648
cheers anon

>>53997679
The armour is hermetically sealed. So the dust just kind of floats around in there.

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>>53997540
Not really, it's kinda Casual McCasualface around here and I'm used to playing with Chaosbro and IHbro who both like fluffy chill lists and would pretty much never cheat. I can't believe I didn't spot it, but I was trying to remember all my Admech tricks at the time, as I was still pretty new to the game 'cause I don't get many chances to play.

Pic related is my army, the Destroyers are proxying for Arc Breachers and the PlasCals for Arc Rifles since I wanted to possibly pick up a Holy Requisitioner, everything else is WSIWYG - Two Inquisitors, one with combimelta and both with Force Sword psyker powers.

>>53997553
>>53997561

Didn't really have any other options for a game that day and he got a bit salty when I pulled that arch in the middle of my side from his, I couldn't very well insist there was more. Manager is stingy with terrain anyway, he probably wouldn't have helped.

>>53997551

Via maximum idiocy with his target priority and a lot of luck. Turn 1, he fires LITERALLY EVERYTHING into the Kastelan unit 'cause I talked them up a little before the game. Never seen a Distraction Carnifex work that well before and I doubt I ever will again. He barely managed to kill both of the 'Bots, Datasmith ran and hid in a crate and eventually managed to Gamma Pistol his Taurox Prime to death, so no first blood. Only other casualty was one Skitarii who got clipped by the Baneblade cannon.

Then my Benediction Alphastrike Haywired the Baneblade to death with extreme luck at the edge of my range, JUST managed to kill it thanks to ArcRifle Vanguard breaking cover. Sadly the scatter didn't kill anything but the one Vanguard that finally put it down, but that was the big play, I think.

>>53997599
I hate that too. And I have noticed the ones who shame the hardest when you do that are ALWAYS the guys who are fucking up in their own favor. On accident, of course. And then the "God it's only a game" shit comes out...
Bitch I know it's just a game. But I want to play by the rules- both you and me.

>>53997667
Are you retarded? Can you even read?

Go look up what true line of sight means.

>>53997691
VACUUM

MY ONLY WEAKNESS

What's the consensus on primaris marines gameplaywise? Any good?

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does anyone have, or could provide, a PDF version of the new FW books? i can't get the EPUB files to work for the life of me

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What do I drop from this to make the dreads venerable? I want to upgrade both so they can move and fire, but I can't find the points.

>>53997695
God both armies look like trash

>>53997706
Check the first post

>>53997705
Lieutenants are good because nothing else does what they do.
Ancient is okay, because he costs about what other ancients do.
Everything else is overcosted.

>>53997702
The funny part is that vacuum cleaners are super effective against both TS and SW

>>53997719
I tried opening the mega in the first post. It kept getting to 'decrypting folder data' and restarting itself.

>>53997695
> so no first blood
You do realize that the robots and datasmiths are separate units now right? So he did get first blood.
For all your bitching about the shit he got wrong, I wonder how much shit YOU twisted to your advantage as well.
TL;DR you both suck. Paint your fucking models better they all look horrible

>>53997607
>willfully relying on deep strike charges
disgusting, the same people think they're tactical geniuses when it works.

>>53997741
> Quite a while ago

I'm pretty sure it was still 7th when it happened.

>>53997707
>He thinks people will actually download and read SIX (6) PAGES of freaking PDF to answer.

>>53997607
Kek. I hope you threw that shit back in his face. Suck it nerd

>>53997427
I'm pretty sure the spirit inside the armour fucks off somewhere and the Rubric marine is now reduced to junk.

>>53997349
Baneblade sponsons have to have lascannons too. One per sponson.

>>53997751
> posting 7th edition battlereps
No one would be that retarded anon. 7th is fucking ancient history. And thank God for that.

>>53997738
Dunno what to tell you. It's working for me. Tried turning off adblockers and so on?

>>53997562
>okay artist
You cunt, stop being so humble!

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>>53997714
Yep. My first army with my first painting, so of course it's complete ass. I like to think it was better than his. At least I primed my stuff and didn't blutack my Knight together hastily before the game.

>>53997662
??

>>53997683

So far literally all my games have been played on boards with fuck all terrain, that's pretty normal there. I literally had no idea there was meant to be more terrain until I started doing batreps and people commented on it. This is how it finished, by the way. Knight was still fine, but otherwise he had one squad of Ratlings and one CCS in that building and my Infiltrators and such were closing him down.

>>53997741

This was just before Fall of Cadia. 7e.

>>53997610
>nobs with kombi skorchas are better, being able to dish out more than twice the damage

that can't be right lemme check... D6 s5 -1 oh shit that's some nice dakka, I wonder how many points..19 fuuuuu

>>53997768
> Holy Requisitioner
> Hellrain Brigade
> Haywiring things to death

Yeah, pretty sure that was 7th.

>>53997738
Just try opening it in a different browser

>>53997755
>download
if your internet cant load that in less then a second, you probably cant afford to play 40k and shouldnt be on this board

>>53997779

>??

It means sort your fucking shit out and stop playing on planet gunline.

My Primaris dudes are silver/steel

How should I do the helmets for Vets, Sergeants and Lieutenants?

>>53997719
yeah, tried that. that's why i'm asking

>>53997811

Purple.

>>53997811
A bright pink

Otherwise blue.

>>53997811

Vets: Single Blue Line
Sergeants: Single Purple Line
Lts: Single Red Line

>>53997705
Officers give OK buffs and are reasonably tough, if expensive.
Intercessors are overpriced.
Hellblasters are overpriced, but not as badly.
Inceptors are costly, but probably worth it. Very strong unit, capable of handling most threats, tactically flexible thanks to being good against pretty much everything and mobile.
Everything except intercessors suffers from having no bullet catchers.
Everything except inceptors suffers from not being able to pile into a transport when threatened by assault units, which is a vital tactic for shooty armies in 8th edition.

>>53997701
wait so which is right?

You can shoot through enemy units, or you cannot shoot through enemy units?

I know for shit like tyranids you can shoot through enemy units because their big stuff is way taller than guants so you can easily see them.

But what about a unit of plague marines behind pox walkers?

>>53997779
>At least I primed my stuff
i've been a player since ten years ago and i've never primed a single model

>>53997806
Yeah, about the only chance for that happening is if I buy and paint a bunch of terrain myself and buy a dozen Fortifications to use them, we're chronically short on the stuff there. I may just make my own board at home and play garagehammer, I kinda wanted to do an Admech base sometime anyway.

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>>53997811
Sarges white
vets white with laurels
LT's gold with laurels.

color the laurels whatever you like, red gold green whatever.

>>53997705
My opinion it is that they won't be good until melee variants come out. Paying double for a bolter is just dumb when you're just giving your opponent efficient targets for his s5-s7 d2 weapons that wouldn't otherwise exist.

On inceptors if I'm going to pay 75 pts for 6 heavy bolter shots I might as well get a twin assault cannon razorback for 100 and get s6 t7, more wounds, double the shots, and a transport.

>>53997862
You've wasted a boatload of time painting stuff by hand then and your painting suffers for it.

Priming isn't just to save time by adding a base color, it's also to create a starting point to build off of.

Acrylic paint doesn't adhere to bare models all that well. With a primer on your paint stays on much better.

>>53997416
Like a year ago, necron player refused to believe that the swarmlords bonesabres had ID on every wound rather than wound rolls of six even with me SHOWING HIM the entry, he even called "his dad who played tyranids" and asked him if /Boneswords/ had ID, eventually just packed my shit up since it was my last game of the night anyways.

>>53997893
>You've wasted a boatload of time painting stuff by hand then and your painting suffers for it.
no

>>53997894
>Refusing to believe something after reading the unit entry

That is some flat earth level of denial right there

>>53997811
>vets and sgts- bronze washed dark
> lt- bright gold

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>>53997770
i gotta admit, going through my pic archives for the first time in years i'm finding fewer and fewer i'd say are a great deal better than what i can do.

Now this guy, this guy is great

>>53997490

I will never tire of just as planned...

>>53997416
My opponent would regularly bump his models an extre inch in whatever direction he wanted them to go, multiple times a turn.

I eventually called him on it when he got a unit into assault and I told him that with 24" between us at the start of the game, and 2 turns of 6 inch movement a 10 inch charge would not be enough to reach me, and yet it did so something fucky is going on.

He berudginly agreed to wait until next turn to assault. But now suddenly he's rolling a boatload of 6's out of my sight and swiping them up before I can lean over and look at them. We eventually called the game a draw because he wasn't winning so he was drawing it out taking 50 minutes a turn.

When he wasn't looking I undid the clasps on his case so when he picked it up everything spilled out and a few of his banner bearers and dreadnoughts broke.

>>53997893
I've been wondering about this. GW advice for a while now (e.g. in many, many Duncan vids) has been that a sprayed basecoat is fine, you don't need to put down a black/white primer layer and then spray the red/blue/yellow/gold/whatever non-primer paint over the top. What's up with that? Does the paint stay on okay using the methods Duncan shows people in his videos? It seems especially odd given they could sell two spray cans (one primer and one non-primer) to every new customer for more delicious money.

>>53997901
read the rest of the post and stop hiding in denial.

>>53997947
>being the bigger person
you are just as bad as him

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Rate my Wufs

>>53997963
haven't had problems since i transport my models with care

>>53997947
>undid the clasps

LOL. eh, he earned it but too bad he wont learn a lesson

So there was a great PDF guide on casting your own minis I lost, does anyone happen to have a link?

>>53997950
If you're spraying on maggrage blue or whatever, that's your primer and basecoat all in one. It's oil based paint not water based acrylic.

>>53997972
>20 some bikes
i rate it a list you will never actually turn into an army

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>>53997780
Compared to burna boys...

Nob does D6 hits instead of D3 (75% better)
Nob has S 5, burna S4 (33% better against typical T 4 targets)
Burna has no AP at range, nob has -1 (depends on target, but say about 50% improvement)
Burna has -2 AP when fighting, nob has the same if armed with powa stabba and one extra attack (50% improvement for the extra attack).
Nob has 2 W and a 4+ save (between 0% and 233% tougher depending on the threat).

Nob is 249% better at shooting, 100% better at fighting for 179% cost increase. When not accounting for transport costs, the burna is probably better, but you pretty much always want to run both of them in a transport, so it is kind of relevant.

Nobs also have better Ld, can take ammo runts as bullet-catchers, give a weak buff and have the option of taking different weapons to handle other threats/ bulk the unit out with cheaper models.

Only real benefits of burna boys is you can take a cheaper minimum size unit and if you have a large mob of them they take advantage of mob rule for a bit and you can spend re-rolls on their numer of shots, since you roll once for them all.

>>53997981
>i transport my models with care
You have do, anything less and the paint will come off.

Unlike the rest of us we don't need to waste time being excessively delicate with our models.

>>53997993
Recasts mah nigger

>>53998001
Show me where to get recast bikes that aren't GW tier expensive.

I want to start a bike army.

>>53998000
you underestimate the staying power of multiple layers of paint without primer

>>53997873

There's a decent amount of terrain there imo but it's all pushed to the edges of the table. Try putting more of it in the center. I don't like playing on planet Thunderdome.

>>53997947
>When he wasn't looking I undid the clasps on his case so when he picked it up everything spilled out and a few of his banner bearers and dreadnoughts broke.

Aw come on man, that fucking sucks. Even that faggot doesn't deserve that, probably. That shit would ruin my week, and he won't learn anything.

I have to compliment you on the effectiveness of your revenge, but still.

>>53998012
Is $8/bike 'GW-tier expensive'? That's what Z has them for.

So if a unit with a 2 damage weapon like a shotgun hit and wounds an enemy unit, does that damage hit the unit or just a model? Would a two damage weapon that wounded remove two guardsmen or only the one?

>>53998025
I wont answer you because its in the fucking rule and the gw websire amd the gw facebook page faq

>>53998025
8th edition too hard for 40kbabbies

>>53998020
No that's much better than $20 a bike like GW, or $15 a bike like my flgs.

What is Z where to order them?

>>53998037
>what is Z
good luck with that friend, you wont find your answers here

>>53998048
I was typing up an answer when this popped up - is there a board rule against discussing this? If so I won't go further into it.

>>53998013
Unless you've got literally any sharp points on them

>>53998025
damage does not spill over, a 2 damage weapon on a 1 wound model kills the model and thats it.

>>53998037
https://www.reddit.com/r/yoyhammer/comments/2j7wxs/recast_websites/

>>53998053
no, theres no rule against talking about it, but no one will give out his info, because of the paranoia of him getting shut down. supposedly if you try hard you can find it through reddit somehow, but ive been visiting 40kg for a few years now and still have no idea how to find a recaster.

>>53998025
Only kills 1, unless it does Mortal Wounds.

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These fuckers with an ATS and a little ML support seem like they're actually going to fuck shit up. Has anybody used them in games yet? 16 (16!) shot a turn, holy fuck

>>53998074
Too bad it looks fucking dumb.

>>53998071
I got it off a friend, though I found an old email that apparently still works by going through old enough reddit posts you can find some emails that work.

>>53998015
OK then. I'll take that advice next time.

>>53996327
I would like this too.

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>>53997860
Poxwalkers are a head shorter than Plague Marines anyway. Anything they'd shoot at wouldn't be blocked.

In any case, a unit only benefits from cover (according to the basic rules) if the entire unit is within or on a terrain features.

In the advanced rules, cover technicalities range from terrain piece to terrain piece.

>>53998083
typing is hard, I should go to bed

Why has GW not licensed or made a good digital version of this game yet?

>>53998097
GW can't into good video games. The first Dawn of War and maybe Space Marine are the only good 40k games.

>>53998097
Because they are literally jews and can sell pennies worth of plastic for £100

>>53997947
You were in the wrong here

>>53998074
They're massively overcosted. Source: they've barely done shit for me so far before they die to either anti-tank or anti-infantry. I even ran them with shield generators, no difference.

>>53998097
They don't want video games to OUTRIGHT obsolete their models

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>>53996300
Guy writing this here again.

Still looking for feedback on whether everything displays right in the pdf.

Also now looking for ideas for naming the lists of weapons.

Currently got: runty gunz, proppa gunz, big gunz, ded big gunz, 'uge guns, mekboy specialz and big mek specialz. Not entirely satisfied with any of them.

>>53998105
Sure, but all they would have to do is make a digital tabletop with an army painter, that handles all the dice rolling and book keeping. Surely that isn't hard. Or just rerelease Dawn of War 1 with updated units and Tyranids in the base game,

>>53998121
I don't think it would. Paper Magic coexists with MTGO

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>>53998121

>tfw there will never be an X-Com type game with W40k assets

>>53998097
Cos they are old farts who cant comprehend how to make business on something that you can touch with your hands.

>>53998120
Can't you just sit it in a small cluster of drones?

>>53998154

>What is kill teams on TTS?

>>53998152
>Have not heard about Tabletop Simulator

>>53998152
WotC doesn't sell single cards for $300 though.

>>53998173
I actually have, and use it, but it's tedious as fuck, and doesn't feature easy model painting.

>>53998184
Nah, they leave that to the secondary market

Chaos undivided list for the flavour:
One champ from each god, plus Be'lakor, then one appropriate squad for each god (e.g plague marines, noise, occults). Could this be a cool list or just too crowded? Lack of synergy obviously :/

>>53998154
>no x-com clone based on necromunda or inquisitor
id buy both, someone tell gw to get on it

>>53998208
Which is stronger than ever, even with MTGO!

GW is just leaving money on the table.

>>53998152
MTGO is janky as fuck though.

>>53997893
Not being a patrician whomst'd've uses gundam markers.

>>53998053
It's a retarded "le sekrit klub XDDDD" meme.

Autists like to hid his information, or pretend to have it when they don't, and lord it over people who are asking about it.

It's about the only power autists will ever have so they cling to it.

>>53998219
No, because making a PC version would cannibalise their model sales. MTGO doesn't affect paper sales.

Do drones' savior protocols absorb every wound from multi wound weapons, or just 1?

>>53998119
he was a cunt and I don't feel bad when bad things happen to cunts.

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>>53998154
Literally Warhammer 40,000: Chaos Gate

>there will never be a new X-come like game with W40k assets
Now, that's painful.