/40kg/ Warhammer 40k General

first for tau dominance

>>53979095
First for renegade and heretics is the worst army

second for elf titties I guess

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fourth for badass name and rules

nobz in nautz is good now

>>53979121
Yeah, it's pretty fucking bad. Don't know what they were thinking.

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>>53979127
have 6.

since we're in a new thread, can someone please elaborate on why/how Renegades and heretics got/are turbofucked now?

has anyone converted the imperial armor AM and xenos books into PDFs yet?

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>>53979121
At least you got rules

My Tyrant's Legion got left in the fucking dirt

>>53979170
id like to know this too, because im not seeing the suck

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Reposting the converted Forgeworld Indexes

Xenos:
https://mega.nz/#!YKJS1JKZ!02mxvjv3PpDN6GZRIBb2no5jbvLiAfkRbvtFGcUtUfo

Astra Militarum:
https://mega.nz/#!EPZSEQrQ!Ja-hxvV2TrxJSifp20XQ4rgZYCnITsJ0cKIZVwCg1tk

Chaos (Searchable and high quality):
https://mega.nz/#!sXAhhSCJ!p8iOnX1HQEiGIb9YLkhF_yLTnDASgsQAVt578vTwpI8

>>53979167
Macha tries so hard and gets so far, and in the end it doesn't even matter.

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>>53979125
>really you use it so your squad can shoot the enemy that is meleeing their buddies right next to them. pistols can shoot into combat, remember?
Yes I remember. And this is more noticeably with their stormtrooper equivalent. Grenadiers with AP-2 hellguns.
Common sense tells me you'd be better off shooting hot-shot lasguns 4 times and then charging (you'd be at 9" away, either you charge or you're going to get charged).
Now that the Morale phase counts models killed both in the shooting and melee phases, it makes no sense to hold the damage until the melee phase.

>>53978522 Anon was right, this is a better version of Fix Bayonets, for units that are already in combat. Gaining a Pistol 2 weapon is better than gaining +1 attack.

I can't seem to find a middle ground, it's either one or the other.

>>53979170
Renegades and Heretics in 7th was basically guard, with everything shittier, but a lot of unique options that made up for it. Like you had the cheapest psykers, fun respawning hordes, or the ability to target your own units with explosive blasts.

In 8e indexes, everything is blander. Spamming psykers is not a good strategy because smite sucks, tons of people have respawning hordes now (and renegades don't), and blast weapons no longer exist. R&H basically lost a lot of it's unique flavor, but kept the part where everything they do get is worse than guard, unless you just straight take the guard units.

>big choppas are good now
>mega nobs are still shit

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>>53979198

FORGOT THE NEW LINK FAGGOT OP

https://mega.nz/#F!gaBiVTKI!HTOuNx5zzNxHqT-ny-AU3A

>>53979238
>wu tang clan
What does this even mean?

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Currently working on some fluff for my custom Primaris chapter and I was thinking about doing something different with it. I want to make a Chapter that extensively makes use of normal humans in battle, like wherever the chapter goes to do battle, they bring along several regiments of Chapter Serfs that are somewhat on the level of the Imperial Guard, but trained personally by Chapter marines and integrated into chapter tactics. Kind of like Mentors, except the mentoring is to their own personal serf army rather than lending squads to various Imperial Guard regiments.

Is there anything in the fluff of any other chapter using chapter serfs like this?

>>53979214
>>53979184
isn't there also something like them straight up not working because janky or wrong rules?

>>53979238
It will never stick.

>>53979250
When the leaks were new, some people shitposted about naming their Ork Clan the Wu Tang Clan, and naming their Sisters of Battle Order the Wu Tang Clan (for the <CLAN> and <ORDER> tags respectively), saying this would let them ally anything to anything.

>>53979264
>There are a number of Astra Militarum datasheets that can also be used by Renegades and Heretics models – presented in the box on the left. Those that do replace the <REGIMENT> keyword on their
datasheet in all instances with RENEGADES AND HERETICS and the IMPERIUM keyword with CHAOS. If a Renegades and Heretics unit does not appear on the list, it cannot be from the RENEGADES AND HERETICS, and so cannot have the RENEGADES AND HERETICS Faction keyword.

The Horrors look underwhelming, Would it be too OP if Blue horror got S2 assault 1 gun and Brimstone have S1 assault 1 gun?

>>53979252
Ultramarine descendants, and chapters that happen to have mortals at hand (space marines usually take command of the warzone they're at).
Hell, even Iron Warriors did it, just not as kindly as you describe.

>>53979304
This is an edition where the most efficient horde killers typically cost 8-10 points to deal a wound per turn to a horde of low toughness low armor and no invuln save units. A pair of brimstone horrors costs 2 points. 2 points for a wound with a 4 up invulnerable save. That means, if your opponent is shooting with the most efficient unit in their codex at a group of brimstone horrors, he will take 5+ turns to kill said group if he uses an equivalent amount of points.

They're pretty good.

>>53979269
>It will never stick.
Lmao, this guy is trying so hard to make it thing. So much effort for a meme that was dead on arrival. It would be sad if it wasn't so pathetic.

>>53979333
I was thinking about this. How would you all rule vertical distance in assault?

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Hey /40kg/, after getting my hands on the indexes I’ve re-written my old standard list for 8th ed, are there any glaring problems with it or things I could improve?

I’m going to have to build mostly new models for the Inquisition force since we lost out our Henchmen and armour options. Still, I think running a low str/high volume of fire Acolyte squad and a high str/low volume of fire squad together with an Inquisitor in a gunship Valkyrie is a pretty decent strategy. The Skitarii were basically an afterthought since I had 1194 points when writing the list, but I have the models and a small squad gives me extra boots on the ground. Couldn’t decide on Vanguard or Rangers, so any advice there would be good.

I’ve got no ides what I’m doing with my Legion of the Damned though, we lost so much shit since the 7th ed Marine codex ( more accurately for me, their digital codex) that I don’t know how to equip them any more. Multi-melta makes sense for the heavy weapon, but I don’t know if I should double down on melta or stick with a Plasma Gun since the ranges match. Same thing with the Storm Bolter, it’s only there because of the range. A Plasma Pistol might’t not see much use since the squad is mostly going to be used defensively due to the 3++.

As for the BA force, BA Inferno Pistols suck ass now what the hell? If I didn’t think they were cool, I’d probably be swapping them all out for combi-meltas due to cheaper points/longer range/better utility. Used to run that Tac Squad with a dual Inferno Pistols Chaplain, can’t do that shit any more since no marine HQ can dual pistols. Can’t drop pod them like I used to either due to the 9” limit, so slapping them in a Rhino seems to be the way to go if I want to deliver them into any decent shooting range. If there’s a different HQ option that’s worth taking, I’m up for suggestions. I’m not 100% on the Sang. Priest, I just thought it might be a good utility choice to keep the tac squad alive.

>>53979238
your basshole meme is so fucking tired, son
please stop spamming it every thread

>>53979252
White Consuls.

>>53979264
>>53979289
Yeah there's janky shit like some of the the AM datasheets available to them either don't exist or are referring to something with a different name than what the text says, and also that none of the Renegades and heretics unique infantry can even get into a transport as they don't have the AM faction keyword.

>>53979375
Its not even a good pun to begin with. And its not even so bad that its good, its just "ehh"

>>53979402

There are a ton of errors across the indices. I wonder if GW will acknowledge it.
I've been collecting Tau questions to share with Ultramarines battle brother Nick for FAQ

>exactly 1 point over
>cheapest upgrade I could take off is 13 points
>cheapest model is 33
What a terrible night to have autism.

Is it just me or are chaos spawn really good/under costed?

>>53979095
>https://mega.nz/#F!ToIUlLiR!o91HYGSY9WBNpei5P_2bTw << 8th Edition Rulebook and GW/FW Indices located here

https://mega.nz/#F!64wmnBZR!rWcm37EkOOeToeueqhPjpA

A better link with White Dwarf, WIP, Blood Bowl and SWA material.

>>53979375
I don't know why people assume it's the same person. It's lots of people using it to troll people people would can't stop taking the bait, like you.

Which army has the best fucking sluts?

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>>53979467

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>>53979475
I was only pretending to be retard-

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>>53979329
Sounds similar, but I mean less like taking command of whatever is there and more utilizing mortal forces as an integral part of their chapter tactics.
>>53979401
Ok, these guys sound almost exactly like what I'm thinking of. Really cool fluff, sucks that they're not a more prominent chapter.

>>53979486
>B-BAKANA..!

give me a cool hipster chapter to paint my marines

>>53979505
>forced meme: check
>trannies: check
>pottery: check
quality post
I hope this thread falls into a pit of tranny arguments like so many before it

>>53979518
That chapter which Magnus squatted, Celestial Eagles or something like that

>>53979518
Mantis warriors
Space sharks
Knights of blood
Raptors
The brothers of basshole

>>53979505
Can someone kind and in the know explain what this 'pottery' meme is about

>>53979540
bastardization of the saying "it's like poetry"

>>53979095

Who would have thought I would develop a foot fetish on /tg/

>>53979505
Its not even a meme, its autistic screeching.
Meme must have a charm in it. A subtle hint or aroma or a blatant pungent stench. This have none. If it was related to slaanesh and noise marines "basshole" might of work in some case. But it does not have anything to do with sisters, its just rubbish forced by idiots thats why it does not catch.

>>53979551
Hmm ok, so it's a sarcastic complement.

My current collection:

Space marines:

HQs:
Captain
Chaplain
Terminator librarian
Techmarine
Vaylund Cal

Troops:
35 tactical marines
5 scouts

Elites:
10 company veterans
5 sternguard veterans
5 vanguard veterans
5 cataphractii terminators
6 terminators
1 contemptor dreadnought
1 apothecary

Fast attack:
5 assault marines
3 tarantulas

Heavy support:
3 devastator squads
Vindicator
3 deimos predators (usually run as normal predators)
sicaran venator

Dedicated transport:
2 rhinos/razorbacks

Allied guard detachment:
HQ:
Company commander
Lord commissar

Troops:
10 guard infantry

Elites:
2 special weapon squads, or 1 and 2 command squads

Heavy support:
Leman russ
Mortar squad
Missile squad

Dedicated transport:
Chimera
Where should I go from here? Current plans include getting a land raider crusader, and maybe a rifle dread. Maybe some bikes and flyers? Not looking to expand my guard detachment right now, it's leftovers of my 4th ed guard army I sold during 6th edition.

>>53979562
Get 100 conscripts

Can't decide what to put on my onager's, should I be running Icarus arrays or neutron laser/cognis. Maybe the heavy phospher edition? What would my fellow men of toaster waifus take

>>53979591
neutron 5ever imo

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>GW in charge of memes and references
Actually this one is kinda neat and subtle

>>53979591
Depends on your meta. Read the Icarus array rules against anything with the FLY special rule and realise how powerful that is against some armies vehicles and units.

Either way running two seems best. They're great units.

>>53979356
its currently being faq'd someone already posted this to the facebook and got a reply

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>Still no quality Mortarion pictures

If I've still got the list builder open, is there any way I can download it still? I've tried downloading the complete webpage, but when I open the HTML it doesn't open to the builder.

>>53979589
i don't see anyone raging, cheetah impostor

>>53979133
Is a cultist necromancer? Does he live in death?

Anyone have experience doing dip shading on space marines?

i want to do a huge batch of 90ish marines

>>53979587
>>53979589
>Implying i play sisters
>Implying i play imperium

>>53979356
as written. a Knight meleeing people in a ruin is pretty dumb.

So did anything change for CSM to make them worth a shit to play?

>>53979214
>tons of people have respawning hordes now
Which factions have this? The only thing I can think of is the (now one-use only if I'm not mistaken) Tervigon ability.

>>53979503
MASAKA!

If you have a named character in your army, do you buy just him or do you buy him and buy any equipment he has?

>>53979692
i know that poxwalkers make more poxwalkers for every kill

>>53979672
Speaking of, is it worth to use Rubrics as elite instead of termies for standard CSM, now that they are not shit?
>>53979727
You just buy him.

Forgeworld have once again shown how much they hate Tyranids by making the biotitan expensive and useless.

1,800 points and Toughness 8, this means the average anti-titan weapon wounds it on a 2+.

Yes it has good CC, but at 12" movement, a warhound can run rings around it and it will probably be dead before it gets close enough.

Fucking FW and their imperial bias.

>>53979238
>wu tang clan
It was only living in the imagination of dummies
>conshits
Really? What happened?
>bland
How is that dead? The game is still pretty bland compared to 7th. Not to say I want to come back to this mess but I have high expectations for codices.
>shitsters of basshole
This meme is probably one of the most cancerous ever and the author should feel bad about it. It's the probably the only one in the list I really want dead

>>53979773
the second people started actually playing the game, conscripts got btfo
also having negative command points is illegal

dumb question, but how do you all deal with super heavies i.e. giant fuck hueg guard tanks without your own?

because ignoring 8d6 flamers, 4 lascannons and a fuckoff huge main gun will only get you so far in life.

>>53979792
lascannons, meltas, krak missiles

>>53979760
doesn't seem that much of a bias, it has 50 wounds and can be S20, its wounding those titans on a 2+ as well.

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What the appeal of pic related ?

>>53979760
At least the dimachaeron is still good

>>53979801
at 48" range and doing D3 damage to itself each time.

>>53979784
No, it's just that you can't have less than 0 command points so 0-1 would revert back to 0.

>>53979804
it says "tyranno" like tyrannosaurus
haha rawr xD

>>53979760
are you fucking clueless ? the hierophant fucking btfo any warhound easily. it can 100% btfo the manta in 2 turn even if your roll shit. Its crazy good.

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>>53979804
48" range S10 cannons with a 50% possibility of melting MEQs

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>>53979760
how many points is wardoggo

Uuuuuh, Imperium cucks FUCKING LEAVE

>>53979182
>>53979121
D-99 has been squatted too.

>>53979804
dont move.
aim at big thing.
¿¿¿
Profit

>>53979804
Rupture cannon?
Uhh uhhh
Fleshborer hive?

>>53979826
1500

Tell me, /tg/. Are Black Templar black tides or Crusaders in Crusaders actually alright now? Or are they still as bad as last edition?

>>53979836
twice than before and much shittier.
Clearly a Imperium bias

>>53979784
I have yet to see a report involving a conscript spam list so I'm not sure how it died. And it wouldn't get negative command points since you need officers giving orders and commissars to be 'effective' (allegedly).

>>53979804
Apart from BS 4 (No idea if nids can buff this) it looks solid. Whats not to like?

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>>53979792
1. Have your own superheavy to kaiju battle theirs
2. Have a gorillion anti tank guns
3. Have a talk with your opponent about not wanting to play against super heavies

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>>53979830
XENOS AND HERETICS GET THE FUCK OFF MY BOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAARD

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>>53979830
No

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>>53979848
>Kaiju Combat
fuck that makes me want to get knights and titans
Pacific Rim that bitch
Godzilla vs Mecha Godzilla up in here

>>53979804
It blast things with it's weapons while also being threatening in melee if the enemy gets close.

It's got a d3 damage, s7-5 heavy flamer and a 4 shot, short range heavy bolter.
You can trade the flamer for a short range punisher cannon or a rupture cannon.

All of those seem good but personally I would either park it I ruins and snipe tanks with the twice firing rupture cannon or try and park it in the enemies face with a flesh borer hive for 48 heavy bolter shots.

>>53979848
The closest thing i have to a kaiju is either crushing claw tervigons or the swarmlord. You don't fight Gypsy Danger with Baby Godzilla, anon. Admittedly i'm light on anti tank guns, but near 30 wounds. God help me if he just drives closer to hit them with his sword and shoots out of combat.

making an inquisitor themed IG army, should my IG troops have the inquisition I on one shoulder? do they normally mark themselves after being aquired by an inquisitor? also, acolytes have 3 wounds, typo?

>>53979540
In a behind-the-scenes feature on the creation of the Star Wars prequels, there’s a moment where George Lucas makes a statement on the thematic relationship between his newer films and the original trilogy. “You see the echo of where it all is gonna go,” he says, referring to the images onscreen in the new movies, and how they relate to the later ones. “It’s like poetry, sort of. They rhyme.”

People changed it to it's like pottery to mock it and it spread from there.

>>53979878
are they stormtroopers? if they're just guardsmen who were assigned to an inquisitor, I'd say no
but they're Your Guys (tm), so just go ahead and do whatever you like

Someone give me the quick rundown of how well the armies are standing in 8th ed. Looking to get back in, are Thousand Suns any good?

Wait the list builder died? How are we going to meme about lists we'd never actually field but are broken as fuck now?

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>>53979830
Make me.

>>53979907
Battlescribe?

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Is it just me or is the dark Imperium box set really good value? If I get it, how hard will it be to sell the chaos troops?

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>YFW Master of Ordance does not work on FW IG artillery

You had one fucking job FW

Brigade Detachment

HQ
Marshal Karis Venner (Warlord)
55 pts

x2 Field Officer
Power Sword
54 pts

Death Rider Commander
Power Sword
42 pts

Troops
x9 Infantry Squad x10
Vox Caster
450 pts

Elite
x3 Command Squad
Regimental Standard, Vox Caster, Meltagun, Plasma Gun
171 pts

Death Rider Command Squad x4
68 pts

x2 Commissar
Power Sword
68 pts

Fast Attack
x3 Death Rider Squad x5
240 pts

Heavy Support

x2 Heavy Weapon Squad x3
x1 Lascannon, x2 Autocannon
130 pts

x2 Heavy Weapon Squad x3
x1 Lascannon, x2 Autocannon
130 pts

Quad Launcher Battery x2
x3 Guardsmen Crew
170 pts

Quad Launcher Battery x2
x3 Guardsmen Crew
170 pts

Medusa Battery x2
4 Guardsmen Crew
192 pts

Total: 2000 pts

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>>53979919
Anyone have the Space Marine booklet from this to share, please?

Only seen the Death Guard one.

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>>53979901
Thousand Sons got kicked in the nuts by the changes (nerfs) to psyker abilities, but the Rubric infantry are still solid and I've heard good things about their flamer weapons.

Guard and other cheap armies seem real strong. Nu-marines are resilient as hell. Micro marines and equivalents still viable. Seems like the gap in power between best and worst is a lot narrower than it was in 7e, nobody is truly living under the cupboard yet.

>>53979919
why do you keep coming back despite beimg BTFO each time ?
>>53928930 3 days of ahitpost aint enuff for you ?

also, literraly nobody want the death guard half. it doesnt even go for 30€ here. and theres like 20 offer just in my city.
And 30€ is the upper half, you can trade them for a Big Mac im sure.

also its terrible value because youll never use the DG.

>>53979964
Appreciate it, how about Ad Mech?

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Oh lord its bulkier than even the leviathan

I need this

>>53979804
I'd rather have an exocrine honestly, or better yet a barbed heirodule

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>>53979911
There is not place for you here, mutated gue'la.

>>53979981
They're still slow and shooty. Radium carbine lost some of its oomph, as did the plasma cavalier. Electro priests are one of the true winners of the expansion, they're pretty solid. Sicaran Ruststalkers got nerfed, not sure how hard. Canticles of the Omnissiah is a bad replacement for the special rules they had in 7e. Overall I'd say they're middle of the pack.

>>53978789
This is what was being argued essentially. The tau player threw all the wounds on the drones and after the 2 drones died he said the remaining wounds were lost .

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>>53980001
>Xenos
>Calling anyone else Cucks

Projecting.

>>53979978
>also its terrible value because youll never use the DG.
Why is that

>>53980027
and finally, where would Necrons be?

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Enough of this shit, i would rather play 7E Solo Herecy than this kindergarden version of 40k.
At least it can make better tactical decisions than someone who consider this Age of Guilliman a good game.

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>>53980052
Got me mate. There's no Necron "mains" at my LGS. That said, I haven't heard any complaints in person or on the web.

>>53980061
>Still playing 7th
>Complaining 8th is bad

Anon, are you literally retarded?

Play 4th or 5th, if you have to play an old version. Don't play 7th.

>>53979095
Where's the rest of the cheesecake?

>>53979518
storm lords

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>>53980033
Stop, he's just shitposting. There are plenty of New DG players and they are waiting for the new stuff to drop hopefully next month, same as Primaris.

The EFG terminator with coolface is not in the box, per example

HQ:
Sicarius
Tigurius or Cassius
Troops:
10x Tacs w/ power sword, combi-plasma, plasmagun and lascannon
2 more of the above

Well, so this is my basic Battalion setup. What else should I put in?

Also, is Gulliman and/or LRC+Chronus worth the points? 2000pts feels kind of small

>>53980070
Thats actually a good idea. When power weapons was actually power weapons and simply "armor saves cannot be taken" not this "sword is Ap3 and Bardiche-Glaive-Guisarme is Ap 2,465" garbage.

>>53980098
Girlyman gives aaaall the rerolls mang

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>>53979988
Hello GW employee

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So I thought I'd get back into 8th after quitting with 6th since Primaris marines would be so little effort to get painted and on the table. I basically wanted to do Deathwatch but can't decide on a backstory since I'm not exactly sure how Primaris marines get integrated into the Deathwatch was either going to do the whole army as Blackshields that have basically been vat-grown specifically for the Ordo Xenos as more pliant space marines or basically just Primaris marines who have been straight up seconded to the Deathwatch as per usual.

Help me.

So apparently Cannons Verydian list her rules?

Wtf was the point of giving her a special character status of they were abandoning her 3 months later?

Also so much for the whole "every model has rules" thing.

>>53979988
I fucking love it.

Wonder how much it's going to be?

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>>53979518
Metamarines.

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>>53979988
Nigga what the fuck are those itty bitty baby legs?

>>53980126
Primaris aren't Vat grown.

They are recruited like any other Space Marine.

They would just get loaned out to them like any other too.

>>53979901
They are really good. They lost a lot of flavor and cheese with Psychic getting gutted but Rubrics and SOTs are much stronger now. Everything is cheaper as well.

>>53980136
I legitimately don't see what you mean. People have been saying their legs are weird for weeks and I just can't see it.

>>53980131
I am afraid i do not know this meme.

>>53979252
Don't the Space Wolves have a lot of thralls and tribesmen doing menial stuff back at the Fang?

Lads? Why the fuck isn't there rules for Supa Kannons in the Imperial Armour Index Xenos?

All there is the Supa Kannon Battlewagon. FW is selling the Supa Kannon separate like the Earth Shaker Battery.

Also, why is Earth Shaker Battery and Earth Shaker Carriage two different entries? One is just a cannon which seems to fire on it's own and the other comes with Imperial Guard guys. Why would you take the latter over the former?

Can't download the Indices right now can someone tell me if Chosen are worth a shit now? Want to play Alpha Legion but actually use marines

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Can someone confirm for me, so I know I'm not reading this wrong... It seems to me that Typhus is a strictly better version of Lord of Contagion, in every way, that costs LESS points. Am I somehow reading this wrong?

>>53980146
I think it's the weird proportion. Big gorilla arms, short stubby legs. Legs themselves are weird, thigh is thinner than the calf, and the foot seems kinda small.

>>53979988
Why? WHY? Why is it bigger than a Leviathan? IT'S CALLED A LEVIATHAN.

Great, that means the Primaris Dread is bigger than the Heavy Dreadnought the Custodes have. Which is suppose to be specifically bigger and better than everything. Now we suddenly got this brand new fucking thing which is vastly better.

>>53980164
Please stop posting this over and over and over. We get it already.

>>53980160
They're basically special weapons guys, run them as melee or ranged heavy.

>>53979811
at 12 shots doing an average of 14 damage each. it can one turn a warlord

>>53980174
This is literally the first time I've posted it. I take it that it IS the case then...

>>53980164
You are correct, there is literally no reason to take a Lord of Contagion over Typhus.

>>53979990
>I would rather have something twice the price

well..

>>53980172
Rawbooty probably said to stop being a pussy about using Leviathans and ordered a few big ol coffins with "don't turn the guy inside crazy"

>>53980146
It's like a good third bigger than the Leviathan with smaller legs. Does it have a special rule that if a vehicle rams it it gets stuck on its back like a turtle and it has to roll each turn to get up?

>>53980178
I remember they were overcosted as shit last edition so...

>>53980172
just wait for the leviathan redemptor faggit

>>53980190
It has retro-rocket engines like all Dreadnought you silly shitposter.

>>53979121
Counts as Imperial Guard time, RIP arch-demagogues.

>>53980186
>"We don't use these incredibly rare machines because the technology is basically lost and resource-intensive."

>"Make bigger ones and make ten times as many."

>"B-but sir."

>"I SAID MORE AND BIGGER."

>>53980172
cuckstodes one wasnt bigger and better than even a knight.

dreadlets btfo

Have Poxwalkers replaced Zombies? I mean I'm happy with that, but just checking.

>>53980164
Yes. He is literally a Lord of Contagion with a shooting weapon, a +1S weapon (it might be -3 instead of -2), a +1S +1T aura buff to Poxwalkers and finally Pyskers powers.

In a way, yes he is better. He's worse if you face Sisters of Silence, Culexus', Inquisitors or Grey Knights.

>>53979133
KANE LIVES

>>53979792
>be me
>play Drukhari
>drop two units of scourges with dark lances

What super heavy?

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>>53980206
The Heavy Dreadnought doesn't have rules yet, so we don't know. But it is bigger than a regular Dreadnought and is apparently the same size as a Leviathan. It might be a big as the Primaris Dreadnought. Either way, it won't be usable in 40k until later on.

We still haven't got 30k Ad Mech rules for 40k. Fucking Fires of Cryaxis is due in August I think.

Is it a good time to get into space marines? I don't know where to start.

Lascannon predator or stormraven gunship for bringing the big guns? I can fit 2 predators for the price of the raven but transporting is nice, what do you guys think?

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>>53980231
>is apparently the same size as a Leviathan

No.

Am I the only one who fucking wish GW give a points values page with 'points per model' with all BASIC wargear options points added up?

>>53980228
>Drukhari

>>53980260
Predator. If you want transport, Rhinos are cheap.

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>>53980204
This is literally what happened in the US Navy when they wanted to replace their aircraft carriers

>Here we go, gentlemen. The plans for the new generation of Aircraft Carriers! As you can see, there is a slightly smaller one than we have now, but it's still vastly bigger than anybody else's Aircraft Carriers and can still take 50+ aircraft on it and all staff! The best bit is, however, that we can build 6 of them and run 3 of them at one time. This magnifies out power projection multiple times!
>Uh-huh, and the other plans?
>W-well it's the Ford Class, sir, it's bigger than the current Nimitz class, but due to the technical requirements, support requirements and general cost, we'll only be able to build 3 of them... In other words, if we went with the other plans, we'd double our projection and since the threats in the Pacific and threats in the North Sea and Meditteranian, this would be the most...
>You said the Ford class is bigger?
>Y-yes sir
>Bigger than what we have now?
>Y-es sir, but I must stress that..
>FUND IT.

And that's how the USA built it's 100,000 ton displacement aircraft carrier. For fun reference the most recently built aircraft carrier(s) were the Queen Elizabeth class by the British Royal Navy. They displace 60,000. Russia is planning to build a 90,000-100,000 displacement one soon.

The F35 was also chosen because it looked better than the Boeing version (pic related) and was considered to be more inspiring and increase security in the general population despite them performing the same.

>>53980265
Huh, well I be damned. Remove the missile pod and it's pretty close. Now I need a side-by-side comparison between the Heavy and the Primaris.

>>53980274
(You)

>>53979877

bring two tyrannofex's with rupture cannons, you'll be dealing a lot of damage if you hit with both projectiles and you can fire twice so long as you stay still

>>53980256
its never not good for space marines. how do you want to play, fast attacky, lots of tanks and walkers, mass troops speeding across in transports?

>>53980204
>UHH THICCER

>>53980290
I like troops. Not fussed about tanks. I like the look of the new ones. I don't know if they're any good. I looked through the chapters and I like the howling griffons. Don't know if that makes a difference.

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>>53979988
Fucking hell, so a rough size comparison has this fucking monstrosity at TWICE the high of a box naught
FUCK MY ASS THATS HUGE

Going to build and paint 100 space marines in a week

wish me luck

marauders seem useful now, are arvus lighters actually ok?

>>53980310
>marauders seem useful now,
barely.a five man squad with 2 plasma guns and stalker would make an alright backfield objective holder, thanks to 3+ AS in cover and -1 to hit vs shooting

>>53980303
cool color scheme, but they really wont matter until a space marine codex comes out that has chapter tactics. if you plan on playing troop heavy, make sure you have a few rhino/razorbacks to get some guys across the board quickly, maybe some terminators or vanguards guys (the ones with the jump packs) for deep striking. it really depends on what point or power level you are looking for too, so oyu might want to ask your friends if they play, or check your local store you plan on playing at to see what the regular game size is

>>53980268
No, I do as well, last time I complained people REEEE'd at me telling me "WAAH I DON'T WANT TO PAY FOR BASIC WEAPON COSTS WHEN I DON'T WANT TO USE THEM :<(!!!!". When I pointed out they could simply reduce the cost of an upgrade weapon (so instead of 10 points for a Plasma Gun assuming you don't include the Boltgun point cost to 7 if you do). They then REEEEE'd at me something about 'waaah but different models would need different post costs then because switching a Combi-Bolter to a Plasma Gun will mean the price will have to be cheaper and that defeats the point of general point values!"

Finally "WAAH IF YOU'RE TOO RETARDED TO ADD THIS ALL UP YOU SHOULD QUIT THE GAME LOL". was the ultimate response.

It's a lot of fucking effort and has forced me to add up each invidual model's basic point cost with it's default-can't-be-changed post cost on each unit. I recommend you do the same.

I mean it sucks, it's not like you can go "I want a Bolter on 9 units and a Bolter + grenades on another". You have to buy them all grenades and bolters because that's their default equipment. They could have solved this by putting some 'example costs' at the back for easy reference.

>>53979618
Explain :d

>>53980183
I'd take a shooty heirodule over two tryannofex/exocrine any day unless I was solely relying on the fleshborer hives

>>53980282
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yv_btHqaf5o

It's bigger, probably bit taller than Redemptor too.

>>53980335
Thanks my man. If it is bigger, that's cool.

>>53980325
I think they play 1000 points. There is a Warhammer shop about a mile and a half from me, but there is also a large gaming group about 5 min walk from my place. Is it easier with a shop or a self run group? Also should I go ultramarines then if the griffons don't matter?

>>53980307
Emperor's bless, Anon.

Can company commander give orders to scions?
Can tempestor give orders to regular guard?

>>53980356
1. Yes, I think so, it says Astra Militarium unit, which is what a Scion is
2. I think the same

>>53980348
depends on the people who play, id try the closer one, and if they seem friendly and stink free go with it, and as for ultramarines, you could technically paint your guys however you want, like if you wanted to take guilliman, or marneus calgar, or any named ultramarine, and just say your army is a counts as ultramarines. they gonna be your dudes and spendy depending on how big you make your army, so make sure you are painting what you like, not what you think it has to be

>>53980377
I looked at the new box set, it seems good because you get the rules. How many points is in it? But I guess the chaos models aren't useful for me. Ok so I would paint them howling griffons because I like that look the most.

>>53980377
about bringing special characters without them being in their proper army, I believe that's not possible any longer. Someone correct me if wrong.

So how do DKoK play like in this edition?

>>53979445
I dunno, man, I played against some yesterday, I shredded them with my GK storm bolters and then wiped the out in assault. Having only a 5+ save and no invuln hurts them pretty badly.

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>>53979095

Would it be OP to have a flying dreadnaught with psyker powers and 12 autocannon shots for around 200 points?

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REEEEEE IT SAYS ORK SUPA-KANNON HAS RULES IN THE XENO INDEX BUT IT DOESN'T. IT ONLY HAS THE BATTLEWAGON VERSION. REEEEE!

Also what the fuck is the Asyurani?

>>53980418
Craftworlders.

>>53980418
Craftworld Eldar.

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>>53980166
>>53980190
It doesn't have smaller legs. The problem is that it's made so in photos the body and the leg attachment I don't know the english name for blend togheter with the upper part of the leg, giving it a gorilla look.

I'm waiting to see one of the in person.

>>53980419
>>53980422
Fucking hell. Okay. Thanks. God damn Forge World.

>>53980410
...why do you ask?

Can units embarked in an open topped vehicle overwatch if the transport is charged?

>>53980428
Cuz that's what a flying hive tyrant is

OP shit

Is it viable to use a unit of 8xzerkes with a dreadclaw drop pod to assault turn 1? Or they wouldn't be able to do so?
Anyway, if they got closer than with a rhino, it'd be worth it, wouldn't it?

I can't seem to find a solid answer for this in the rules.
When you roll for the D6 number of attacks on certain weapons like say a battle cannon do you then also need to roll to hit with the number the D6 gives you?
Or is it like with 7th where the D6 was the number of hits you made rather than attacks.

>>53980442
Still roll to hit unless weapons says that it hits automatically.

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>>53980425
To further illustrate my point

How it looks like compared to how it is.

>>53980282

in fairness, the boeing craft looks like a fucking imperial aircraft so its no wonder it was dumped

>>53980456
This. Unless stated otherwise, you roll to hit.

>>53979988
I just can't stand the beer gut. Shame, without it it would be a pretty fine model.

>>53980132
Yes, that's pretty shitty. FW did the same, some of the models they sell are now illegal RAW

>>53980282
The Nimitz class has a displacement of like what, 95000 tons? The difference to the Ford class seems not that big.

Hey folks, I need some list recommendation for a Marine (me) vs. Nids game. I'm expecting a swarm list with big monsters (tyrant+guards and... what was that plasma platform monster again? Etc) here and there. Other than 3 Tacs tax, what should I use? I already have most of the marine index units other than Primaris.

>>53980304
The angle of the shot is different tho

>>53980427
GW calls them that, not FW.

>>53980307
What chapter? Are they all simple tac-Marines? How many special/heavy weapons?

>>53980460
So that's why I didn't think it was weird, it didn't blend to me.

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Holy balls is this model cool
But I can't find it or the Quartermaster on the site
Would FW sell one to me if I asked nicely?

Does anyone have a link to the wu tang clan FAQ?

My store seems convinced I'm not allowed to ignore mortal wounds with nurgle daemons disgustingly resistant because it doesn't explicitly say I can. I'm convinced it refers to wounds lost.

Where on the rulebook can I find that the standard points limit for 8th is 2,000? I need to show my friend on his face quite literally.

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So I am building a Storm Wardens chapter and have a shitload of infantry in the form of scouts, tacs etc, but need to get some more heavy support.

I am interested in a Thunderfire Cannon but not sure what else to get, considering in my shop I mostly deal with marines, eldar and skitari, any suggestions?

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how do you like my sisters of battle marine?

>>53980436
18" autocannons

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>>53980517

>>53980525
There is no point limit. 2k points is just the limit for a lot of tournaments.

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List building is such a cunt thanks to GW killing off the best army builder in ages
Why did he tried and Jew the Jews?

Also thoughts on this list
>Behemoth 2: Stealth Boogaloo (+6CPs)
>HQ
Tyrant: Wings, Boneswords, Rending - 206
Tervigon - 250

>Troops
30x Termagaunts: 10 Devs - 160
30x Hormagaunts - 150
30x Hormaguants - 150
3x Warriors: Swords + Spitter - 96

>Elite
3x Lictors - 135
6x Hive Guard - 288

>Heavy
2x Trygon - 350
Trygon Prime - 214
1999

I literally have 4 2k armies semi built or unbuilt and i cannot choose/focus on which one the do

>>53980525
There is no points limit.

>>53980476
heavy bolter devastators?

>>53980542
Even that 'tournament' reference is fine. Where can I find it?

>>53980516
They probably don't even have the mould anymore. Just get it from a recaster.

>>53980460
We know it's not the same piece. But those are still chicken legs and it looks like ass.

>>53980532
I quite like that scheme actually.

>>53980528
Do you have any lascannons scattered about your tactical squads? If not, I'd probably get some lascannons, either on devastators or a predator.

>>53980476
I'm going to recommend lascannons to you as well. Starting to worry I may have a problem with obsessively recommending lascannons to everybody.

>>53980525
There isn't a stardard point limit in the rulebook. Never was, only indications about how much an average game would last based on points.

>>53980456
>>53980464

Thanks

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>>53980329

>>53980509
100 monopose bolter bros

crimson fists

Will 30k custodes get rules for 40k?

>>53979095
>https://mega.nz/#F!ToIUlLiR!o91HYGSY9WBNpei5P_2bTw << 8th Edition Rulebook and GW/FW Indices located here

Replace it with following
https://mega.nz/#F!64wmnBZR!rWcm37EkOOeToeueqhPjpA

And updated with slightly better FW ig and xenos index.

>>53980545
I still think a list as you've written here is actually easier to grok at a glance than the list builder with the pretty pictures.

>>53980565
>>53980329

Order 66

>>53980475
97,000.

If you go on Wikipedia, it's 100,000. It's about the same size as the Ford, but the Ford can take at least 15 more aircraft on. My ultimately point was they could have gone with a slightly smaller ship, something like 90,000 I think it was and build more of them, or go with the big (and I think the difference is basically ergonomic, new systems are smaller so less space is taken up by instruments etc) Ford class and only be able to build 2 instead of the 4-5 the smaller one was planned to do instead.

Some people I've talked to have simply said that in the military, size does matter and it's much more public opinion reassuring to have loads of big things rather than lots of smaller things. "Biggest aircraft carrier in the world" runs off better, especially when you combine it with "most aircraft carriers in the world". The British built two high-tech carriers and it's skyrocketed their power projection. They were built for North Sea shit hence the ramp. The Americans are replacing their CATOBAR's with new ones which fire pulses or some shit, so they can work in cold weather, not that the USA's assumed future wars will be near cold zones.

>>53980517
I'm pretty sure, if we go by RAW, then no you can't. This is based on the fact Mephiston has Lord of Death rule which states 'loses a wound OR mortal wound, roll a D6 on a 5+ ignore it'. So I say no it doesn't apply to Mortal Wounds. This is probably because they're so powerful that even Nurgle gifts can't save you.

>>53980538
That's not what he asked. He asked about Mortal Wounds.

>>53980525
>>53980542
>>53980550
There is no point limit. The book suggests 1000, 2000 and 3000. Gives times and shit on how long it'll take. There is no default point limit. If you wanna do 500 vs 500, go for it. If you wanna do 100 vs 100, go for it. 1000 is probably the best starting point.

>>53980561
I got a lascannon and three missile launchers and a multimelta at the moment, plus the hellblaster squad, though its a little point heavy.

Well squiggoth guns are pointless now

>>53980577
That's the only reference to disgustingly resilient in the entire thing.

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>>53979618
>>53980329
>>53980565

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>>53980556
Under matched play.

>>53980517
Mortal wounds ignore to wound rolls and saving throws, but you allocate it as you would any other wound. Disgustingly Resilient is not a saving throw, so mortal wounds don't ignore it. RAW once the wound is allocated, you can then roll for Disgustingly Resilient.

>>53980538
That doesn't say you're allowed to use it against mortal wounds.

Anny forge world tyranids pdf? Or pistures?

>>53980557
Never actually done anything like that before
How do I China?

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>>53979095
>those toes
>mfw i will never massage and worship those slender pale feet

>>53980574
Yeah but making it is a chorse, espeically if you are using a PDF

>>53980593
>>53980600
>>53980577
Looks like we need another FAQ, most play tested edition ever?!

Anyone have the tantalus and reaper datasheets? Thanks

>>53980611
Anon, any play testing is the most playtested version ever.

Also the game had it's biggest change ever, certainly since 2nd to 3rd. Expect weird shit.

>>53980517
>>53980593
Every rule that can ignore mortal wounds says "wound or motral wound". Like farseer helmet, it can ignore mortal wounds but not regular wounds cos it does not say "wound".

>>53980606
Except in 10 years when full-submersion VR is developed and some japanese guy will make "date with eldar chick" game.

Primaris Marines Psykers are called Lexicaniums instead of Librarians.

>mfw new Issodon rules
wewtf lads, im raptor now

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>>53980621
This. >>53980611 Lord of Death special rule for Mephiston specifically says "ignores wounds AND mortal wounds". There. We. Go.

>>53980606
Gay.

>>53980639
Dude, Lexicanums was always a subrank of librarians. It's the reason on other editions you could upgrade to Epistolary, the next rank.

>>53980611
>>53980621
>>53980642
No FAQ needed. Mortal wounds say "just allocate it as you would any other wound and inflict damage to a model in the target unit as described above".
In 4. Shooting Phase 5. Inflict Damage it says "a model loses one wound for each point of damage suffered".
Disgustingly Resilient says " Each time a model in this unit loses a wound, roll a D6..."

It doesn't get much clearer than that. I attribute the different wording on Mephiston's ability to different people writing what is meant to be the same rule.

>>53980621
All mortal wounds are wounds that don't allow saves, abilities that prevent wound loss and are not saves can stop mortal wounds.

>Dimacherion rules are shite now

Lads....

So, I thought I would get the new allies/keyword system but there are a few things that confuse me.

So, for example, I play Imperial Guard with many Chimeras and Leman Russes.

I'd want to include an Enginseer from the Adrptis Mechanicus, as he's able to repair >Astta Militarum< vehicles.

Now, my army would fall under the keyword >Imperium<

But what hinders me from taking Space Marines as troops and Dragoons as Fast Attack?

I know they can't buff each other, but I see it coming meta lists having just the best units out of each Grand Faction like Imperium, Chaos, Aeldari

Thoughts?

>>53980639
No. http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Librarian

>>53980654
send link to pdf FG nids rules

>>53979587

You know, back in high school, this kid in a younger year than me decided he was going to try to bully me. No clue why, I was a nerd, but he was a tiny guy and again, several years younger than me. About as intimidating as a damp hamster.

What he did was affect a whiny tone then repeat over and over the most basic, entry level insults imaginable. I guess it was kinda annoying as background noise, but mitigated entirely in effect by how bafflingly ineffectual it was.

Anyhow the point to go with that context is that I tried coaching the guy a little, show him how to at least insult me halfway effectively. He took that as a sign it was getting to me and stayed the course, despite my best efforts to point out that no, he was just so completely useless at bullying that I was giving him pointers.

This guy, this guy reminds me of that. All engagement with him so far has been "Your joke isn't working mate, it's just sad.", even stuff like "Have you tried Fisters of Butthole? That sounds less forced."

And all he does in response is "Lol my epic meme is really assblasting you guys huh? XD XD XD"

>>53980651
Then why the fuck do they differentiate on multiple different fucking places? Why does Mephiston Lord of Death save both?

>Cawl can only heal Ad Mech vehicles now

Wew, what's the difference between vehicles that Cawl can't deal with?

>>53980682
It's most likely an error, there are tons of them in the indexes already and we already needed to have one FAQ.

>>53980654
Not everything could be amazing anon

>>53980663
nothing hinders you, they give an example in the rulebook about mixing and matching with imperium. go nuts, that is until a faq comes out, or codex with more specific rules

Any primaries in Centurion armor yet?

>>53980700
no self respecting space marine chapter would let that shifty fellow near their vehicles

>>53980679
>writing a novel about how not upset you are
Tl;dr, lol.

>>53980700
The machine spirit reads a different scripture

>>53980651
Then why shit like spiritstones say "woudn or motral wound"? So then Fortune allows to ignore mortal wounds as well?

>>53980663
I'm a Marine player, but I'm tempted to use 3 Tempestor Primes w/ Rod + 6 5x Tempestus Command w/ 4 Plasmaguns + 1 Medi-pack.

>>53980460

You're an idiot, if the legs were stubby like on the left we wouldn't be complaining. It's the spindly legs that look stupid as fuck on that wide fridge block body.

>>53980679
Jesus you're mad as fuck son, calm down.

Any of tyranid forge world models are good now?

Redpill me why you like Space Marines

>>53980720
Because the eldar also has wargear that only prevents mortal wounds?
Perhaps the development team just didn't talk to each other.

Ask them to FAQ it.

>>53980736
It's because they're Marines, from space.

>>53980722
Dude, see

>>53980166
>short stubby legs
>>53980190
>bigger than the Leviathan with smaller legs

Maybe you aren't complaining about how small its legs are, but other are doing it.

Can someone explain to me why they thought giving the thunderbolt 4 dark lance equivalents, 2 las cannons and 4 auto cannons A FUCKING TURN was a good idea at 270 points

>>53980753
What is that and where can I get it?

>>53980679
>shitsters of basshole player so anally agitated that (s)he has to write a blog post about being bullied in school
this shit writes itself

>Marinelets days are numbered

Also 11 companies, this one's light blue trim for that guy who asked the other day.

>>53980709
Pfft. If he could get it working again in the heat of battle, I don't think they'd care.

>>53980715
Fair enough. Still a bit dodgy.

>>53980732
Malanthrope is pretty good. Prey Adaption can fuck shit up. Dimecherion is an Infantry ass-rape machine. Specifically Character Infantry.

>>53980752

Weird. When the first images came out everyone was mocking it for the spindly legs that don't fit with the blocky body.

Arms don't really fit either, if it's meant to be a giant version of the boxnaught it should have thicker legs and squarer shoulders.

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>>53980770
Fuck. Forgot pic.

>>53980742
There is nothing FAQ, it it says WOUND it means WOUND, it if says MORTAL WOUND then it is MORTAL WOUND, the fact that "mortal wound" have word wound in it does not let wound ignoring abilites to interact with it, just as the fact that Necron "Warriors" equipped with gauss rifles does not give tyranid "Warriors" gauss rifles.
Stop using it like old Feel no Pain, even if it was Mortal wound would be like instant death.

>>53980773
You naysayers complained about the primaris, too. Now no one says they look goofy anymore.

Time to time.

>>53980773
It's not a box naught. It's a call back to 1st ed Dreads.

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>>53979095
Looking to get into 40k after playing irrelevant games for the past few years, all the hype around 8th ed has me intrigued.
After looking over the rules, I have to say it seems odd to still be using dated mechanics like IGOUGO and TLoS, especially given a golden opportunity to do away with these dinosaurs.
How often does first turn determine the victor in 40k?

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>>53980736
this >>53980744

marines are badass
space is cool

therefore space marines are cool and badass

or at least used to

How the fuck flyers fight in melee, given that they have WS and A value? With their wings or something? Against a gaunt?

>>53980780
Oh, well they renamed them, but you get the point.

>>53980762
Index: Astra Militarium. Forge World. Thunderbolt is a flyer.

>>53980753
I'm wondering of the missiles are suppose to be one use.

>>53979133
finally the executionesr get some justice

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>>53980764

Lol, your epic meme is really assblasting me. Ecks dee ecks dee ecks dee.

>>53980801
>how do flyers fight in melee
the warf way. PREPARE FOR RAMMING SPEED

>>53980780
A mortal wound is a wound that ignores saves, disgustingly resistant ignores wounds and is not a save.

What are you not getting here?
>Tyranid warriors can be given gauss
Where does it say that?

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>>53980801

>>53980788

Ha ha, buddy I fucking -wish- it was a call back to the first edition Dreadnoughts. I'd buy it in a heartbeat if they'd managed to capture a modernised update of that design.

>>53980780
see >>53980650

>>53980835
It is though.

Even has the weird belly.

>>53980815
I know it is. I'm actually starting to feel a little bad about it.

>>53980650
>>53980838
>>53980780
>>53980829
If it is FAQ'd this argument is ended. So get it fucking done. This is simple shit. If these discussions are going on then it isn't clear enough.FAQ it and end it all.

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>>53980606
I know how you feel anon. I just want to give a harsh Inquisitor some reprieve from her hard lifestyle by cooking her a nice dinner and giving her a back rub while she relaxes with a glass of wine.

>>53980803

I hope so it's ridiculous my mate has already ordered one and is creaming himself.

>>53980871
I mean, if it said 'fire one per shooting round' it'd be OK. But it's literally 'here is 4 missiles, you fire 4 of them per turn'. it's insanity. I know it's a Heavy Fighter and some Heavy Fighters in WW2 were insane (One of the He. variants had a 75mm gun equipped on it). but this is just silly willy.

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>>53980871
>and let’s dispel once and for all with this fiction that Forgeworld doesn’t know what they’re doing, they know exactly what they're doing

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>>53980859
>implying I'd let you touch me with your fifthly hands

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>>53980842

Oh they took a few cues, definitely, but they didn't manage to genuinely update the design at all.

They have the spindly legs, they have the crotch.

But the original dread is tall and fairly thin, this new one has a very wide, wider than the smaller box dread body. The legs don't fit with the body because the design elements clash.

The rogue trader dread had a peanut-like body in two distinct rounded segments. If modernised, you could easily imagine the upper body spinning to act as an omni-directional gun platform.

The rounded shoulders also fit cleanly into the round curves of the RT dread's body.

The rogue trader dread is an ancient, ancient sculpt and would need some tweaks to look slightly cooler, slightly less goofy. (Though still somewhat goofy, that's part of it's charm just like it's part of the fridge-like boxy dread's charm.)

This new thing is like someone smooshed two completely different dread designs together then stuck a Kastellan Robot's fist on the end of one arm.

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>>53979988

>>53980904

He's ordered it from China so I've got a month or more to hope they clarify it's single use. Still ridiculously cheap points wise, between that and the Venator Sicaran it's fucking stupid.

>>53980904
Literally pay to win.

This why you have to ask permission just to use this stuff, it's all just deliberately unbalanced third party resin to milk WAACs.

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>>53980911
I've taken sports medicine classes and cooking classes!

But, if she declined the offer, then that would be the end of it I guess.

So, how's the Keres Autocannon as compared to the Butcher Cannon?

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>>53980934
>This why you have to ask permission just to use this stuff

Not any more. It's 100% fully compatible. No need to ask.

>le third party WAAC!111!

It's not Third Party and one unit does not equate WAAC. Shit lords of the units are just pure garbage. Grot Tanks aren't great, you muppet.

>>53980943
better vs light infantry,not as good vs heavy infantry and vehicles.

Well at a cursory glance anyhow

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>>53980934
>This why you have to ask permission just to use this stuff

Is Kheres Assault Cannon shit now compared to regular twin HeavyBolter or Twin Autocannon?

> Muh fucking contemptors

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>marinelets btfo

>>53980943

Kheres took a hit in goodness.

In 7th it was an assault cannon with +2 shots, in 8th it's an assault cannon with +1 strength. The extra points for that bonus don't really feel particularly worthwhile anymore.

Wounds T6 and T7 better, that's all.

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>>53980939
I don't think so, anon... It won't work, you and I. Besides... My acolytes provide much better.. hmm.. entertainment.

>>53980663
There's nothing stopping you, but in your specific example, Enginseers have the keyword astra-militarum. So you could include one and your army is still an astra-militarum one rather than an imperium one.

Would you look down on a player returning from 4th who plays Death Guard?

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>>53980927
Anon, please.

how is the waac meta going with 8th, lads?

BoyZ! Rate my list!

Flying circus - 998pt

Air wing detachment
2x Dakkajet (256)
1x Wazbom blastajet - 2x SS, KFF (179)

Air wing detachment
3x Dakkajet (384)
1x Wazbom blastajet - 2x SS, KFF (179)